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The LGBT War Against Orthodoxy: My Conversation with Fr. John Whiteford
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Here's an Orthodox understanding and teaching on this issue:
"You are not “gay” or “homosexual.” You were not “born this way.” You are men and women created in the image and likeness of GOD! You were all designed by Him for everlasting life in His Kingdom. You struggle with carnal temptations and spiritual passions, like every single man and woman since the fall of Adam and Eve. In other words you are human.
Sin does not characterize you. Passions do not define you. Do not self-identify with any sin or any passion. You are not your sin. If you are a Christian and believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, the Son and Word of the living God, True God of True God, the Redeemer and Saviour of all mankind, then you must reject and abandon the “gay” or “homosexual” identity or label. “You are not your own; you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19-20)." - Fr. Ioannes Apiarius
www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2019/06/not-gay-or-homosexual-but-men-and-women-created-in-the-image-and-likeness-of-god/
I would say this is THE Orthodox understanding. There can be no healing from a sin or passion with which one has identified oneself.
May we all be who we wanna be and accept ourselves as we truly are.
I was blessed enough to attend the 40th anniversary of St. Seraphim Rose's repose at St. Herman's, when talks of glorification were officially begun.
But they were a bit squashed by Archbishop Kyrill of ROCOR…we need to talk sometime! Come visit us…
Are there any accounts of miracles?
@@joer9156 in the biography I believe so!
Dude, this channel is amazing. You have everyone on here! God bless you! Keep up the great work, brother!
That part at the end about gays being always unhappy no matter how much affirmation they get was just sad, because it's true. They don't have a relationship with our Lord, so there is no peace for them. May God help them.
Thank you Fr. John! I'm glad you call out Bartholomew's role in the persecution of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. I witnessed for myself an angry activist rally at the Kiev-caves Lavra calling for a takeover just a few years ago. I feel that the schism caused by Constantinople was the final straw of the breakdown of peace in Ukraine.
A convert to Eastern Orthodoxy and a former adherent to “the life” (really “the death” tho…) Every days a struggle but completely worth it. Thank God for the Lord and the Faith. And thanks for this video!
Thank you for speaking the truth on this subject. Keep up the great work!
Hey Fr John and Joseph great discussion and enjoyed the straight talking about alcoholics and Irish people
I have Irish Alzheimer's -- you forget everything except your grudges.
Thank you for speaking on this difficult subject.
Thank You for this Amazing Video and God Bless Your Work. After learning I am an Orthodox Christian, every gay person I have encountered says two things. I am supposed to love everyone (and I do) but I reply that the reason I often avoid them is that I believe it's wrong to associate too much with open sinners. I offer my help and prayers, then I leave it up to them. I also get the response that the wording in the Bible is "incorrect" and that being a homosexual is ok. Ask anyone that was living in Sodom and Gomorrah if they agree, is my usually reply.
Always good stuff Joseph ☦️
This is an excellent interview. Please bring this priest back again sometime.
being gay is a sin. Just like all the sin that I commit. Sin is sin. Gay folks are welcome to our church. The problem is when you come to church asking God to accept your sin. when I go to church I ask God to forgive me of my sins. Not accept the one sin i like the most.
If only that is all they are seeking, but no, LBGTQ wants to compel churches to SANCTIFY or consecrate as 'holy', their identify, behavior and proclivities, as equal and as natural and 'good' as heterosexuals. Church is the last bulwark against this insanity, if Church caves in, it's all over. Civilization collapse.
There was a transgender medication advertisement before this video.
I got the trans med ad as well
The Biktarvy advertising algorithm needs refining.
At Davos last summer, YT did say they were going to uphold The Narrative (tm). It is a propaganda machine to be sure.
I got the same ad, the "transgender woman" who "just wants to be loved." Well, we all want to be loved. I don't think a pharmaceutical is going to give us the love we need.
Yeah, got that too. Those hiv med ads are all over tv as well. No mention of how to prevent it though. It is also really annoying that the ads try to make it seem like it's a hetero issue, by using male and female actors, when it is not a hetero problem in the west.
Thank you Fr. John and Joseph for this. Especially enjoyed the short section pertaining to Blessed Father Seraphim Rose☦️. Other than Fr. Spyridon Bailey and Priestmonk Kosmas (Orthodox Talks), Father John is one of the very few I listen to regularly (From the Amvon podcast) anymore. Was so happy to watch this. Thank you. Lord, bless
Robert Taft, SJ, was the Eastern Catholic priest. Oddly enough, he was the commencement speaker when I received my M.Div from the University of St. Michael’s College in Toronto in December 2000. Right now, I am a Roman, but am feeling adrift. I love the Traditional Latin Mass, but am curious about Orthodoxy. What books about Orthodoxy should I be reading?
God bless you, Joseph!!!
Please look up father Spyridon on RUclips. He has some great videos. He's also written a few books. I haven't bought any yet but his speeches are very captivating.
_The Orthodox Church_ by the recently-departed Metropolitan Kallistos Ware is pretty much the standard introduction to the history of the Orthodox churches from Pentecost up to the present day. A necessary read for anyone unfamiliar with first-millennium Christianity and the tradition of the Eastern church in the second millennium. Very accessible, this is the very first book you should read.
_The Orthodox Way_ also by Ware is more or less the companion book to the first one, covering Orthodox theology as opposed to strictly history. Also a very readable book, its overview of the ancient Christian understandings of God, man and the relationship between God and man -- preserved to this day in its fullness in the Orthodox tradition -- have lent it a credibility and utility as learning material even in Protestant seminaries.
These two books will give you an entry-level foundation to the depth of the riches found in the Orthodox tradition. Depending on what your personal inclinations are (eg. theology, philosophy, history, ascetic literature, hagiography, etcetera) there are many different resources you can check out. Some of it can get pretty intense pretty quick, so don't rush yourself. In the order of the different subjects I just listed, I'll recommend one book each, to give you an idea of some possible further reading:
_The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church_ by Vladimir Lossky
_The Tragedy of Philosophy_ by Sergei Bulgakov
_The Christian Tradition_ series by Jaroslav Pelikan (arguably the best in-depth historical examination of the entire Christian tradition; if I recall correctly Pelikan began the series as a devout Lutheran but through the course of his exploration of church history converted to Orthodoxy by the end of it).
_The Paradise of the Holy Fathers_ by Palladius of Galatia (translated by E. A. Wallis Budge)
_The Prologue of Ohrid_ by St Nikolai Velimirovich
God bless you and your pursuit of truth. Hope this is helpful to you.
I'm convert to Orthodoxy, I was originally cradle Roman Catholic. My priest had me read "The Faith We Hold" This a a brief and lovely introduction to Eastern Orthodoxy, written by the late Archbishop Paul of Finland.
There's 3 books with the title The Orthodox Church. One by Fr Sergius Bulgakov (1930s I think. Worth reading. This was the first book in English translation), one by Fr John Meyendorf (late 50s. Good stuff on church history, which is helpful coming from Catholic background) and the most popular by Bishop Kalistos Ware, originally done in the 60s when he was Timothy Ware. A standard now.)
I like Meyendorf the best. He's a historian. He has another book Byzantine Theology where he goes deeper in that direction, but his Orthodox Church is my fave. Bulgakov is controversial, but not really regarding this book. He was a commie atheist, Ware was Anglican, and Meyendorf a cradle Orthodox.
Fr Thomas Hopko has lots of podcasts on Ancient Faith site, many on church history. He's a good free resource all the way around. Former Prof of Dogmatics. Can't say enough about him. Straight ahead, no bullshit.
Great talk. Let us remember that our first and truest allegiance is to Jesus Christ and His Holy Orthodox Christian Church.
Joseph you've given me more hope!
I hope to reach out to you with some questions.
thank you for that breath of fresh air
Sister Vassa has one and only one agenda. She continues to make videos on the topic
She is looking to change the Church. Why doesn't she just go to a Protestant setting? They are only too happy to change. Constantly.
@@bolshoefeodor6536 or better yet, why doesn't she just get offline and go to a monastery and become a real nun?
Maybe she's not a real nun.
We love you Joseph. Thank you for these interviews.
God bless ❤
Thanks for the video. One very small point: as a Wesley scholar I just need to point out that the so-called "Wesleyan Quadrilateral" does NOT come from John Wesley! For Wesley Scripture is THE interpretative lens through which everything is judged. The Quadrilateral was invented by Albert Outler in the 20th century.
Father Jonh bless me a sinner
As far as homosexuallity is concern it is just demonic thought. Nothing else. If someone works not to receive that thought it will finish the temptation. If they accept the thought they have to fight for a long time. Thats how it is done in many monasteries and in the history of many Fathers
Another amazing discussion. May God bless you Joseph.
This was a good one .
I was also raised Nazarene, my paternal grandfather & great grandfather were Nazarene pastors, and multiple great uncles on my dad's maternal side were also Nazarene pastors. I've never heard of "Campbellites" but my youth pastor was Pastor Steve Campbell lol. Weird.
My ex Bro in law was a Steve Campbell!
Excellent points made in this interview. Well done!
There are no chastity lessons for same sex attraction!!! Not in my former church! (Mormon!) It’s tell but don’t ask.
Joseph, I think I read that the figure of homosexual priests in the Catholic Church reported by Richard Sipe is 30%, not 50%. Either percentage is very problematic.
"A conservative estimate of gay Catholic clergy is thirty percent. That figure has held steady for several decades in the face of assiduous scrutiny; many Vatican insiders speculate that the accurate figure is closer to fifty percent."
www.bishop-accountability.org/news2012/09_10/2012_10_09_Sipe_Homosexuality&.htm
The percentage of homosexuals in high Authority in the Catholic Church such as Cardinals Bishops and most likely even the pope himself rise to be homosexuals. So it may very well be 30% of the lowly priest but the rest of the political structure has probably 80% homosexual if not more. How else would you explain all the corruption in the church being approved of and promoted.
@@JosephSciambra Just one more reason I'm Orthodox.
I’ve been dissatisfied with both sides of this argument for years. So I rolled up my sleeves, hit the Greek and Hebrew and archaeology, and drew my own conclusions on the Bible and homosexuality. Here are some:
Tarsus was a major center of Graeco-Roman philosophy when Paul grew up there. Rabbi Gamaliel trained his students in philosophy. All that shows in Paul’s writing. Philosophers aspired to make citizens into Spartans. The opposite of that is ‘malakoi.’ Weak. This was well known at the time, and is true for modern Greek today. George Floyd was malakoi. I am a homosexual.
Leviticus 20:13, properly translated, reads, “If a man lies with male bed of woman (Heb. iššah), they have committed a ritual abomination. They shall be killed. Their blood is upon them.” The Hebrews were Amorite/Hittite mixes. (Ezekiel 16:3, 45) Išhara is the Amorite Goddess of Weddings. They had a “bed of Išhara.” Apparently involving cult prostitution. And in this case a male prostitute. So I read this as a Hebrew version of that. This is meant ONLY for heterosexuals. The Septuagint translation is consistent with that interpretation.
Two men can get married. But they have to act like men. Jonathan and David model that in 1 Samuel 18:1-5. There, Jonathan marries David just as YHWH marries Israel in Ezekiel 16:8-14. Notice was David does afterwards: he commands Israel’s armies. The opposite of a woman. The imagery of both unions - hetero and homo - gracefully counterpoint each other in the Song of the Bow (2 Samuel 1:17-27).
Also: 1 Samuel Chapters 17-18 are clearly modeled on The Iliad Books 15-16. Where Achilles gives his armor to Patroclus. He has a Freudian slip, and realizes he’s been in love with his best friend all along. This is the crucial, psychological pivot around which the whole Epic turns. IMHO.
Nevertheless: Saul accuses Jonathan of violating the Leviticus law. (1 Samuel 20:30) The “perverse and rebellious woman” is an allusion to Išhara. Who, as it happens, is also the goddess who presided over Hittite oaths. This also shows up in the text: the Priests at Nob Hill (1 Samuel Chapters 21&22) almost certainly swore a Hittite loyalty oath to Saul. Such a priestly oath has been recovered, and the fate they and their families suffered is exactly what was prescribed in the oath. So she’s perverse because it’s a gay marriage, and rebellious because oaths descended from Heaven, to the Sovereign, down to his Nobility, and on down to the people. David and Jonathan’s lateral, unsanctioned oath clearly violated that.
It is my opinion that Christian leaders for centuries have been sloppy, lazy, and tone deaf when it comes to Sacred Writ’s position on gay men like me. And from there: MURDEROUS. You boys left this hole open for the Devil, and he’s driven right through.
FIX IT.
Good job man
That's a neat opinion and all, but it contradicts the universal consensus of the people who were alive when the books of scripture were written and who learned directly from the authors, in person, while they were still alive.
The safest and most plausibly correct opinion, then, is that homosexuality is a sin.
It was also universally accepted one should speak Greek and Latin. Why are we speaking English, a language with pagan origins. Something that keeps people from Christ is playing Russian roulette with Judgement Day.
The Orthodox are such a small faction. Why would LGBT or the world feel any concern about them? No one knows about the Orthodox Church let alone it’s message
The Eastern Orthodox Church is not a small faction, it's the national church of Russia, Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece, Cyprus, Macedonia, Belarus, Georgia, Romania, Moldova, Ukraine. The majority of Syrian and Iraqi Christians are Orthodox. Worldwide, it has 220 million baptized followers, what is this small faction are you talking about?
The problem is that these people are not some outside group. They were Orthodox who were twisted by the worldly and demonic agenda.
What's interesting before the 20th century began Orthodox was the largest Christian denomination in the world. World War I and World War II communism murdered them.
The devil is well aware. Orthodox are a much larger group in the world than you think. Look at what's happening in Serbia and other Orthodox countries where the alphabet soup is trying to force itself on people and they're fighting back.
The Orthodox are the second largest Christian body globally.