STRAIGHT EDGE VS. ROW CUT
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- Опубликовано: 12 июл 2024
- This will show a straight edge vs. row cut challenge and reveals the winner at the end! I cut carpet with both tools and inspect the cut edges of both pieces to see which one will make a better seam.Cutting carpet is key while preparing a carpet seam. Seaming carpet is the most precise step to a successful carpet installation. If considering doing a carpet install you should learn how to make a carpet seam.
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Great explaining in this video... it’s great how good you are at teaching and the way you take the time to actually explain why and how you do things.. Thanks
Treva Potter Thank you sweetie
This is a great demonstration! Row cutting is obviously the best way to go. This is the Carpet and Rug Institute's preferred method to construct a length seam. Well done Ruben!
Ben Boatwright Thank you sir
Stumbled upon this by accident - I have no need to cut carpet, but I loved Reuben's passion for carpet so much I watched to the end!
Elsie Howe 😀😀👍👍thank you
Your video quality is improving greatly man. You can see the change in professionalism making videos throughout your RUclips career. Kerp it up man!
TheBucketList Thank you appreciate that, I barely New how to use RUclips when I first started so it has been a long slow process of learning, and still so much more to be learned
Amazing video FBSB, I can't wait for more like this. You really did a wonderful job on making the video too and editing.
Gold Coast Flooring | Carpet & Tile Care Thank you Nick
Great video. Six kids, Mortgage payment and car payment I want to attempt an installation myself. I'm in central California and this gives me hope. Thanks for sharing your videos.
G Corpus That is great, good luck with your project
Brilliant, to the point 👌🇮🇪
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Master 👍👍👍👌❤️respect
Great video I am going to show this to my friend he straight edge cuts his carpet
Mellow Man 😀👍
North central Iowa.
$7.00/sq.yd carpet over wood subfloor.
$8.00/sq.yd carpet over concrete. These prices are for stretched and Carpet. Pattern, Berbers, and difficult layouts always an up charge. Great job explaining the row pencil! Not to mention there are carpets out there that have one dark line and one light line. Real easy to spot the guy that straight edged the seam on those. Keep up the good work
John Steier thank you Sir , Those are some great prices, that’s exactly right about the dark row
John Steier Exactly, a lot of people don’t understand the concept of the dark and light lines. My rule of thumb is try row cutting everything first. Unless your row runner won’t stay square than I’ll straight edge is as last option
John Steier is a good pay for a yard I’m in Houston back in 2009 I was working for a company and I get pay 6 a yard but the guy pass away and they close the company
Thank you for this video. The explaining of why and how you do something is perfect.
can you do this exact same video but for a cross seam please?
Maelthas Divine Sure can, thank you for your feedback
Hey bro, thank you so much. I fix and flip cheap properties that I rehab myself and if the rooms are small and I dont have to seam, im good. If I have seams it's hit and miss. So its always been an issue of making sure im cutting straight and I have a row cutter. Another thing I found I was doing wrong was running my seam iron too hot and just pushing glue away. So I would have issues when I go to stretch the carpet. Im self taught but this was really helpful.
That’s really good, really nice knowing that I help out guys like yourself to maximize your profit
I was taught to straight edge seams and didn’t even know about row finders until I moved to Australia 4 years ago. Row finders are a game changer
Richard Moss Yes they are, thank you for your feedback
Love to see Reuben use his rowfinders on the edge of a cut of carpet, say 2" from the edge. Because those rows are not straight, ergo, your two edges won't be straight.
I personally cut a lot of my joins from the back, not with a straight-edge but freehand, just feel my way down the row. Yes, I'm not kidding, it can be done because I do it every day.
Maybe it's an British thing.
Yeah, it can definitely be done. I’ve done it myself before but if you’re going between the roads on the back, there’s no different and going between the rows on the front as far as straightness. Most of the time you’re seeing will not be straight and you have to actually work it together. That’s just part of doing a seam
OH, you can follow a row along the selvedge but the tension on the side of a tufted backed carpet will not be the same on the edge as say 12" in from the edge.and as for cutting freehand from the back well, when I've cut freehand a four meter length without jumping one row, now that feels good! When I do that on a felt backed carpet, with onlookers, that feels sooo gooood! (and they think it's witchcraft)@@FloorsbySouthernboys
@@simoncarr5437 man I bet, that’s awesome
Great video as always. You are doing a great service in what you are doing. Teaching the right way to install. Thank you.
Here in NC the pay scale is horrible. They want to pay from 1.75 to 3.00 sq yd. Crazy right. I moved here from NY where pay was from 7 to 9 a sq yd. where you can make a decent living for what we do. Let’s face it we all know that we basically killing ourself out there every day. This is a hard trade on our bodies believe me I know. I have been installing for over 30 years. I love what I do but feel we are going back wards in pay scale. If only we would all stay together & fight for what we deserve, we all could make a great living. This is a dyeing trade & with guys like us we can teach people the right way & hopefully bring in more quality people who want to do things the right way. But we also need to fight for our pay scale. What we do is a art, a trade & all I’m saying is we should get paid what we are worth. Come on let’s all stay together & not keep lowering are install price. Let’s Stand up & fight for what we deserve!!!!!!!!!! Ok sorry about that long response but feel like we are all getting ripped off for what we actually do. Hopefully you all agree & maybe we can all make a change somehow.
Good House Installations Inc. Loved it, me and a friend of mine in California discussed this quite often, definitely a hard trade and if done properly it is an art and should be paid as, thank you for sharing it and thank you for your feedback,
Hey bud. I am in Utah and we experience the same thing. How do we all band together and get pricing up to 8 bucks per yard? Because that is the least amount people should spend on quality installation.
Get your name out there and get into the wool woven niche. I have not installed anything for less than 12$ a d have gone as high as $30 per yard for installation. I was just talking to a wool mill rep the other day he said there are not many installers out there who can install hand woven wools anymore. You can set your price when you get the rep.
Anyway. I am with you man. But the huge problem is the hack and slash guys who will always keep prices lots all just start charging more. Period..
Anthony Richmond
Anthony I agree with you 8 yd should be just for basic install. I was installing wool back in NY. but now I’m in Charlotte I haven’t found that work here yet. Definitely the way to go I agree cause it eliminates all the hacks. Only the qualified can be in that game. Thanks for responding to me.
@@goodhousefloorcarerepair1290 haha I have some accounts in NY who call for installation in Park City here in Utah. I always welcome the NY phone calls!
Anthony Richmond yeah don’t blame you. Those phone calls mean good money ha ha. You know NYers pay well lol.
Nice job young man ....
Edward Jones thank you sir
@@FloorsbySouthernboys I've got a trick with cross seams I bet you would really like.. got another trick overlapping always never put a straight seam on it always put an angle to it you'd be amazed how nice they turn out overlap them put an angle cut on one of the pieces cut the other piece to it you'll never find it never
@@FloorsbySouthernboys on your head seems make sure the nap is always laying on your left you're going to need to lose about 3 to 4 in when you make this cut slant your blade when you're pulling it through slant it away from the straight edge opposite the way the nap is laying the other piece of carpet use a straight up and down cut use a fresh blade every time
I'm kind of a special case when it comes to installs. Lowest I'll go is 7 a yard, but usually I start at 9. But I don't install everyday, I keep my schedule full with re stretches, repairs and cleanings until I get an install I like.
Gold Coast Flooring | Carpet & Tile Care That is a good situation, thanks for your comment
Me too. I am not trying to go less than 1.00 /square foot
I charge $25 a yard but that includes everything. This job is to heavy on the body to not get your worth! Carpet companies charge $35+ a yard but inly give subcontractors $3-6 which is why we need to demand more
Pittsburgh Pa. 9.00 a square yard basic install. Concrete or furniture is extra. Patterned or berber extra. Steps extra. I have been installing for 35 years and can command a premium price.
Orcon sponsorship in the future? haha Great video
Max B ha ha, that would be nice,thanks for watching Max, and thank you for your feedback appreciate it,
I gotta get better with row finders. I don't install a ton of stretch in, but I'm taking on more lately. I did a job with a low cut plush today and used the straight edge and some of the seams looked like crap. Do you have a full installation video with you using your row finders. I'm gonna bring some scraps home and practice in my spare time.
I am way behind on this come out. It looks like it was posted a year ago. I really hope that you did take some scraps home and practice. That is the best way to improve. You will need to get yourself a good set a row finders to make it as easy as possible.
I am finding it increasingly difficult to make a good seam. Manufacturers have started using cheaper materials (latex for one), the dying process isn't as consistent as it was . Rowing no longer seems to work as a result. It would also be good if the customer understood that the 2 carpets are from different parts of the roll and sometimes... it needs a little bit of time for the pile on both pieces to look uniform (pile crush). Great video tho dude, I'm about to check out more. Thanks 😊
The carpet quality is definitely going downhill for sure
$ 4.50 s/y up. Western Oregon. Appreciate your videos.
Larry Martell Thank you for your feedback
I would like to know installation prices for Charleston WV. Thanks love videos.
This will give you a place to start
www.homewyse.com/
In West Virginia, prices typically range from $3.50-$5.50 per yard depending on the subfloor, and type and weight of the carpet.
When I first started, we got no additional pay for take up or moving furniture. I’ve seen times we’d spend twice as long moving furniture and doing take up as the actual installation would take. There were times we’d be 2+ hours on a 12x12 because of massive amounts of furniture, having to empty out closets, then putting it all back. And not get paid a dime for time spent doing it. No more.
Sheldon Vance 😮 Dang that stinks, thank you for sharing it
Hi Sheldon. We have a shop in Charleston WV. not sure where you are located. Love to get to know you. Eddie Runs our office there and we are paying more than you posted. Give me a shout. If you like Ruben, you like quality! Hope to meet you soon.
If you like them just buy knitting needles. You also can row cut one side then over lap and trace cut seem
I only use a row cutter when I have Berber or loop carpet but on shaggy carpet I use my str8 edge
Ali Nehme Whatever an individual can do best bet is what is best for that individual, however it’s good that we always strive to do better, that’s what makes us great
Me to,just old timers I guess
Average in Kentucky I believe.
3.50 Empty
50c Take up and hall away
Furniture 50c - 1.00$
and too straight edge 2 color rows will double up lol
Christian Wilson yep sure will, thank you Christian for your Feedback
I bought track master gray cheap carpet just to put in the basement do i need to uae a row finder to do the seam?
It always makes for a better seem but ultimately it’s up to you
Hi prices per sqm in uk average at 3 pounds per metre. For a standard fit on underlay and gripper i have been fitting for twenty years now just found you chanel finding it very interesting seeing the difference in uk and American floor laying already taken on a few tips of yours. Matt
Matthew Aryes Awesome, thank you for your feedback on the prices thank you for watching and I hope you enjoy the channel
Will do in this job you never stop learning.
Matthew Aryes That’s for sure
Can we row cut when seaming carpet in the door way?
You should compare cross seam cuts next.
ReinSman100 That is on the list, thank you for your suggestion and thank you for watching, and for contributing to the comments I really do appreciate it
I’m a little late to this convo but in southern wi I’m getting $6 wood or concrete.
Bauer Carpet That’s awesome, thank you for responding
What does it look like from bottom. Is it cutting straight on the rope lines
No, the grid that you see on the backing is the secondary backing and has nothing to do with the actual rows in the carpet, it is there for stability purposes only
Michigan 3.75 a yd wood or concrete 4.25 for Berber and pattern
Jim Sypniewski Thank you sir I appreciate your feedback
Basically, $4.00 per sq yard here in Mississippi, but I am getting to where I look at the job and give a price according to what it’s worth to me.
Cool video. What about cross seams, or T seams? Thanks
Walter Butler Thank you Walter, I will be getting to a video on cross seams next
What's the best row cutter you recomend to do row cut seam and have a clean cut with not loose fibers
+Rivas Misael Here is a link www.amazon.com/Crain-301-Cushion-Carpet-Cutter-x/dp/B00BC1ZCK4
I will absolutely try it out. thanks for you recommendation appreciated
Rivas Misael you’re welcome
5$ yard on wood 5.50 on concrete for basic residintial carpet..I'm in idaho..I used the cushion back cutter and row finder 90% of the time ...down here is these neck of the woods we call it a sword lol
Jerrid Hawkins Awesome, thank you for your feedback and I wish more people would use the right tools, it would better installers nationwide
Absolutely and use latex on ur seems and pole stretching instead of stinging or hooks....alot of hack
Jerrid Hawkins yes There is
been doing floors 30 years. I still don't get how you fallow the row with the scribe.. my seams mostly all look great but watching you I'm gonna bust out my row cutter. lol.
One of those videos that's 10 minutes when I needed maybe 25 seconds
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I'm in southern California. 3rd generation flooring installer. if I sell a job I'm getting 5$ a yd. for basic install. 6$ with demo, 7 to 8 with furniture. 200 for box stairs 350 for wrapped. if I work for a shop I get paid a dollar less per yd. 2022,
Thank you
what about row finding and then cutting from the top with a blade? WOuld it be better than straight edging?
lgmnow kondo Absolutely that is the whole point of this video
@@FloorsbySouthernboys I realize that...but I don't have a seaming knife like that. What is the absolute best way to cut carpet if you don't have one of those blades? Perhaps I'll bite the bullet and buy one...
lgmnow kondo This is the absolute best way to get professional results is using this tool, however if you don’t have one then straight edging is your only other option, there is a link below this video in the description and I think these are only like 30 something dollars for one of those row cutters, they are not too awful expensive and they are definitely worth buying
Could you do a video on a head seam in a doorway one day because most of the time its a straightedge cut
Shane Pennington Yes sir I sure will
Between £4.50 to £6.50 per square meter for traditional carpet on gripper and underlay
I’m London, England
$5 a yard for installation and $1 a yard for take up and haul is our normal labor prices in central Indiana
Thank you sir appreciate that
I laid out of store on Southside of Indy!! I was a Sub an had a partner an Men working for us!!I 47 Year a installer!!! I miss it but I never thought I would!! It's being with the Guys!!!
Hi Ruben i have an issue row cutting some carpet's that leave a wavey edge so when i line up the pieces i have some gaps. Ussually i get fustraited and strait edge from the back
+Cory Are you cutting fibers, or is it that the backing of the carpet is crooked because the rows in the carpet are crooked
Ya some carpets are pretty wavy. I suggest investing in a seamer down now. It dries your seam pretty quick and allows you to make those adjustments without worrying about screwing up what you just put together
Michael Love Exactly
@@FloorsbySouthernboys its the carpet thats wavey i think it could be from bending the roll in the middle to bring onsite
Cory Michael love was right, I will do a video with him the next couple days showing that he was talking about I will cut the carpet really wavy for more dramatic than you’ll ever get on a roll and show that it can be put together using the seamer down now ,without any seam issues , It really is amazing
Iowa i pay my guys 5.50-6.50, it’s hard work
mo ajram It most certainly is hard work, thank you for your feedback
Okay, but that carpet pile is pretty tall and can easily be fluffed to hide the voids. What about shorter carpet where you can see the backing more easily?
Same thing, I row cut everything and get beautiful results all the time
4.75 on wood 5 on concrete and 6 for pattern match. I’m in northwest missouri
Michael Love Thank you for sharing that information, I appreciate you contributing to the comments
Yep I’m in the ozarks 5 bucks a yard on wood we are about to go up though supplies are way to high
@@TheSands83 are we talking about labor only ?
@@user-js6yb2mi2k we are at 6 dollars a yard on wood subfloor..includes labor , tack strip and seam tape. It’s about to go to 7 looks like
@@TheSands83 sheeesh lol I've been subcontracting with the same company for the last 10+ years in upstate NY and price hasn't moved from $3.25 and I only charge a little more on my own jobs. No idea prices were this high in other states. Thanks for the info 👍
What about cutting faux (hairy) carpet?
4.50 to 6.50 southern Colorado
jerry green Awesome thank you for your feedback
I'm retired and the price are right for customer but bad for installer!!! I retired 10 years ago in Indiana I was getting $3.50 per Sq yards for doing new homes and commercial glue down+ extra for stairs, metals, an pattern match an extra dollars per yard!!
Fred Towns I agree, Carpet definitely don’t pay enough for the installer
@@FloorsbySouthernboys I was a Sub contractor for 47 years and had 4/5 crew and I was one of those crew I hit it just as hard a any of my men!! First time I've looked at any of these videos and find that some don't now what they are doing!! I learned from my Dad an his men, God rest his Soul!!! When I started In 1967 we hand sewed all seams even doorway seams using a curved needle!!! Each guy does certain things there own way but the big things always is the same!!! The videos are a good thing!! I specialized in carpet!!! We did it all but I had carpet as my main thing and was known for all things involving carpet!!! When illegal aliens came into the trade, an many were very good but they would undercut the going rates!!! Rates that needed to go up not down!!! So at 62 I got out!! Iwentad got my Inspectors lic. But could stay busy so I called it quits! My Dad layed carpet till he was 79!!! Good Man!!!
Middle Tennessee, $4.05 a square yard
FloorsbySouthernboys not all freeze carpets has the the light and dark color but yes it is installers I don’t understand how the costumer pass a job when they see a brown big line on the seam or big light line on the seam if I do something like that I be fire man 🤪
FloorsbySouthernboys if you are using the str8 edge don’t you cut at an angle? To not have excess backing? Also have you ever double cut? Lol when you layer the one carpet over the other and cut both at same time?
Row cutting gives you a good edge but the rows are not always straight . It is a must with loop pile carpet though . You also cannot row cut across the grain . Also some carpets like the zipper edge ones are unruly to row cut .
I agreee 100 percent with you.
Is that ride it out carpet?
Andrew Goode not sure
Now I know
+King Tin 😀awesome
Virginia beachVirginia 2.50 a yard base grade 3.50 a yard berber
David Hill Thank you sir
3.60/yard for standard carpet on wood.
3.90/yard for a premium carpet on wood
4.60/yard on concrete regardless
We are a bit behind.. everybody in this area..
southeast Iowa
Georgep31. I would say you are a ways behind. Years ago I looked at moving down to the Iowa city area and contacted some stores that were looking for installers down there. I could not believe what they were paying. Work on getting that price higher. Cost of living is not getting any cheaper. Good luck!
georgep31 Thank you sir for your feedback, it is appreciated
Here in Champaign Illinois we've been getting $3.50 from carpet stores, for the last 20 yrs.....
Prices definitely need to go up
@@FloorsbySouthernboys I told my partner about you starting at 7.50 on your private jobs and he about fell out. You Sir are 100% correct though, they will pay, be it you or the carpet store they will pay.
@@DasDeeds yup they will
@@DasDeeds step out and try it a few times and see what happens
@@DasDeeds square yard or square foot
I always straight edge now, the rows are never straight and I find myself fighting it to bring it back…
$5.00 per yd and up, south Louisiana
Done with freaks Thank you
4.50 per yard Columbus Ohio
2.35 in new mexico as a sub contractor for a company
Nick Ortega Thank you for your input
My dad was row cutting/top cutting 25 years ago,95%of the installers had no idea how to use one,or what one was for that matter.this business is tanking right now,but soon all the good mechanics will be done.now is the time to change the industry pricing.....guess what no new blood is coming
Josh Osterhaudt There is actually quite a bit of people that want to do good quality work out there still, that are young and coming into the industry, I have found that now since I have had this channel going
@@FloorsbySouthernboys where I live that isn't the case,upstate New York..then again no one wants to live here,cold,cold,cold
Josh Osterhaudt I hear you on the Cold 🥶
I don’t know but I think 3more year is not going to be good installers to do a good job then they will call us but is going to be the price higher believe me
Poblano Yup and believe that
Work in the opening camera angles. Too far away. Otherwise good deal. Thank You
Sorry buddy
How can I contact you ?
floorsbysouthernboys@gmail.com
@@FloorsbySouthernboys oh ok thanks
$4.50-$5.00 California
What part of Cali
Northern, Sacramento area
Lion Gaming Rosario Thank you for your feedback, Sacramento is where my friend gold coast flooring is at
I’m at Houston Texas working for empire today I gat pay for a yard 4.35 and I get free seam tape and tackstrip but I don’t get pay for move furniture and no pay for stairs case but vacant house I get pay the same 4.35 find me on face book by ...Cristino flooring I have all my pictures of my jobs
Poblano Thanks for sharing
But I think we supposed pay more is hard work quality of work I do no problems no complaints other installers they get more job because they cheap price and aloft of problems and they always call me back to go fix I over charged to be honest to go and fix it
Poblano I hear yeah, the people that don’t care about the work always get more work because they’re done faster, but I don’t think that makes a person happy, I am much happier walking away from a job where I know I did a great job then I would be if I just flew in and flew out
Big deal just buy knitting needles also you can row cut one side overlap and trace cut it
Your speaker works great microphone but man you got to do man I can't see s***
$ 4.50 per yard . Southeast Wisconsin
CarpetMan thank you sir for your Feedback
Hack… try showing your “technique” on carpet that isn’t the worse quality possible. Let’s see you do something with carpet that is short strand with designs in it. Hack
😂😂👍 OK, I work with woven and wool often , I show the carpets that most people work with regularly
@@FloorsbySouthernboys no. Your informing people using carpet severly lacking quality. Someone will buy good carpet. Royally mess it up because you showed them how "easy it was" I know this because I had to fix one. They showed me the video they learned from... use better quality carpet in your example or at the very least disclose a warning or something... the customer of mine almost screwed up a 4,000 carpet. They were thankfully smart enough to stop and call me before it was too late.
@@notmine8504 this technique works with 99% of carpet, only particular woven’s and printed carpet. Will this technique not work. If a person cannot do it with a nicer plusher carpet then they should not call themselves a professional
Stop wasting time and serpentine light row/ dark rows. Most of it is cheap carpet that jumps rows trying to row run.
EJG I don’t have an issue with it jumping rose it does just fine and seams are perfect
@@FloorsbySouthernboys only on cheap carpets I have problems jumping rows
But then again I don't row run anything but berbers and a few of your videos reflect exactly why I don't.. i.e. overlapping vs GPS etc. Bowing etc.
EJG I understand that
EJG 👍