The Pond Hath Runneth Over
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Good morning Mike, the Ford GT 40 got its name because the roof height is 40 inches off the ground, and yes they are a beast. Have a great day y’all.
I'm glad you can now tell this story, and reading some of the comments, others have similar "pond" stories that are too long to share on your site. I will say this though, I'm still using a Dewalt drill that stayed at the bottom of my pond for 11 days before I retrieved it - oh - and I'm alive to tell about it!
Now that was one sloppy storm! Good Morganing everyone!
I fell out of a canoe in the winter years ago. In my twenties. Best I can describe it, was like being partially paralyzed. Luckily I was with people that got me in a warm vehicle and home, within minutes. If you have to be on the water in cold weather, make darn sure you have a life jacket on. That’s what saved me.
Mike, I have a 4 acre pond and I installed a syphon system several years ago and it works fantastic. No more trouble with plugged stand pipe. You can even drain the pond if you so desire. Low cost to purchase and you already have the excavator. 6 inch or 8 inch PVC pipe and fittings is all you need.
haven't watched the whole video yet, but if you cut off your standpipe to about 4-6" below the high water line of the pond, then put (2)90 degree elbows on it to point the opening back down towards the pond, then add a straight section of pipe that extends about 1-1/2 ft down below the water line, that pipe will never clog up with leaves/debris. Water will enter the pipe from BELOW the surface and rise inside the pipe along with the level of the pond. Once the pond starts to reach the high water mark, the water inside the entrance pipe will spill over to the drain side of the pipe and drain out without clogging. EDIT: Almost forgot.....you have to drill hole in the TOP of the 90 degree fittings....where they meet..... or the whole thing could potentially become a siphon if the elbows ever got completely full of water. The hole will break the vacuum when the water flow slows down and keep it from siphoning.
Exactly what I came to say in a comment. An alternative, is to have the overflow on the dam, instead of out in the pond where you can't reach the trash rack to clean it.
I was going to ask when the spillway video was planned. 😂
Physics for the win!
Same idea but cheaper maybe… put a crossbar 3-4” from the bottom of a bucket and invert it over the standpipe. Figure some way to fix it down. Maybe a rock on top? And maybe a vent hole near the top to keep it from floating.
@@e1ucas you'd be surprised how many people are adamant that it can't possibly work.
Good morning everyone!!
I know you've watched Let's Dig 18's videos, I've learned a ton by watching Chris. Whatever you do with an overflow, you should put it close to the dam with a trash rack so you don't have to ever go out in a canoe again.
I'm glad you're okay after falling in the pond. can't wait to see that video in summer and THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO
Years ago you did a video on a PVC Siphon for the pond.
We built one that summer and have used it ever since.
It was a great video and offered a solution to a problem we had.
Hope you get you pond situated.
Thanks for what you do.
Mike. The sediment traps (plural) really are a good idea. You should have 2 or 3 of them, 4 if you can fit them, and each should have a couple of feet drop at the outlet. The traps actually serve several purposes, they slow the flow of water down, letting sediment settle out of the stream before entering the pond. However, the "waterfall" effect helps to aerate the water and add oxygen, which will also help the pond stay clearer. Use some different size rock too. Don't be afraid to use bigger rock too, bigger than riprap, like 1-foot+ diameter. The big rocks really work well in high flow times, to break up the flow and slow it down. Sometimes in high flow events (storms) the water level gets up so high that it just flows over riprap, and doesn't slow down, negating the effect of your trap.
When the levee broke across from Canton Missouri you could hear the Mississippi roaring as it was going into the Illinois ground across the river. It was very eerie. 1993. It was just really something Never forget the sound.
I had the same thing happen to me Mike. But I solved the immediate threat by placing a large tarp under the running water and nailed down the incoming side with landscape spikes. The allowed the water to trickle over the tarp and prevented erosion of my pond embankment. It was a good emergency measure. I hope this helps. Todd in NH.
I think I remember watching you try to clean the pond before in that canoe, so glad you faired okay … we have all done those things that make us sit and wonder WOW I lived through that.
Here in Iowa we got ten inches of snow and then it turned to rain for you guys. They are forecasting another 8 to 10 inches from tonight (Thursday) to Saturday am. Hope you done get a lot more rain. Good luck.
Looks like a great project for the "New Mike" 😊. You will have that pond looking beautiful in no time! Thank you for taking us along.
Your story about clearing the stand pipe in the pond reminds me of tin sign my wife bought me……. “Bad Choices make Great Stories!” But at least you survived. Stay safe.
Not just leaves/ debris. The three storms we've (CT) experienced since Christmas have all been ""unprecidented" in their volumes. Each storm caused my pond to overflow, even though it has a 24" spillway; continue across my front fields, and pour over the dirt road at the edge of my property. My back dirt driveway to the barn has washed out, covering the lawn with gravel. Next storm is Friday night.
Mike for the pond on the spill way side you need either one of those butterfly valves or one of those screw gate valves to open up as a emergency pressure relief or both
Mike, I've watched some very good videos on collecting power with a dam. Have the pen penstock drain into a turbine. Maybe you could power the cameras around the pound to watch what happens, or maybe an Autonomous pond cleaning Bot? That could be a whole seperate RUclips Live channel.
Mike I know that you will get the pond back in shape and excellent video 😊❤
Mike you need to make a siphon pipe out of 3” or 4” pvc pipe! Works well for an emergency drain to save the dam from damage!
Mike. I agree with your plan for the pond.
The spill way and sediment trap is the way to go
But I mentioned once before you should clear 15-20 ft of trees around the perimeter of the pond to reduce the debris that lands in the pond and will give you better access to the shoreline.
Without the overhanging tress the pond will stay much clearer.
Mike,
Many years ago I stayed at a camp in upstate NY that had a small pond across the street. The spring came that year. They had a 3-4ft of snow that year. When we got to the camp in June the owners were replacing the bridge, and spillway, that had gotten washout when the ice went out from the lake above the pond, in the spring. The spillway was completely gone. The original spillway was built out of rocks and mortar, just like a fireplace. The spillway was 5' across. The top of the spillway was 4' below the roadway. More rocks and mortar ran the width of the roadway on both sides, at road level. Three steel trusses ran across the spillway with a foot or more imbedded in the roadway with more rocks and mortar. The bridge had a wooden deck.
The last time I visited that place, 15 years ago, that bridge and spillway were still there. The guys that put that in new spillway knew what they were doing because it looked as good as it did the day they put it in. Get a good mason from the area. Have him use river rocks and mortar to build your spillway and the thing will last a long, long, time. Not only did it look good, but it sounded great from all of the windows in the house.
Alan from NC
Mike, like the plan you have for the pond, sounds like it should work. Great video.
Hi Mike, Up here we have used one piece drainage PVC weeping tile inside the overflows hanging out 20’ on both sides. The ends will need anchored down. This way the beavers can’t dam it up. It would also help you out as a back up overflow
I would assume others may have suggested this, but a grate for the outlet stand pipe would probably help. I finally installed little grates on my rain gutter downspout outlets, and am very happy with how they work. The needles and leaves accumulate at the grate, but the water can still discharge above the level of the sediment. It would eventually overflow the top of the gutter, but they buy you time to clean out the debris. And the water keeps flowing, one way or the other.
Right there with you Mike, at 66 I try not to do dumb things. Healing takes too long.
I'm not sure of the length required to traverse the dam but if not too long, another option is a large culvert, 16" or more, set at the height you desire. Pack it well with clay. This enables you to drive and walk over it and do away with the standpipe. I had a well-made concrete spillway with an overlying footbridge, which developed erosion around and under it, probably initiated by burrowing critters, followed by the large episodic water flow we get with heavy prolonged rains. I had it removed (easier written than done), redid that portion of the dam, and put in a culvert. I love the access now over it for my tractor, mowing, and walking.
You can put a pipe T on top of your drain pipe, then put 2 90 * elbows pointing straight down. That will help keep debris from stopping up the drain pipe.
Yes! 👍
I remember years ago watching one of your episodes where the kids were skating on that pond this time of year. Believe it was title something about Cabin Fever.
Mike you are so right the older we get the more we don't want to do stupid things. 😂❤
I'm redoing my neighbors pond sometime later this year and his is about like yours but he has a spillway which works fairly well until large heavy rains and no emergency spillway!. And his dike is cracking and separating. So we will rebuild the dike and raise the grade 2 feet, clean the pond out and a big sediment basin. We are going to install an emergency spillway in natural ground with a concrete bottom just like the main spillway but smaller. There is so much water comming down the hillsides in the woods it's crazy.
We aren't going to get crazy and plan for a hundred year flood but for the most part it should be good!.
He's also putting chain link fence on the dike slope to prevent muskrat from boring holes in the dike!.
Hoping the ground freezes!.
I'm looking forward to watching you clean up the pond. That should make for some great content.
Looking forward to seeing how you fix up the pond Mike
Looking forward to your pond videos later this year.
.If you have a 4 inch stand pipe, get a 6 inch pipe about 2 feet long. in the middle of this pipe install 3 or 4 three inch bolts. Place this pipe over the stand pipe drain. Any floating debris will be stopped by the new pipe. pond overflow water will come from a foot below the surface. This is the way we keep the stand pipe from clogging up with floating debris.
Mike, We share more than I first thought your pond story sealed the deal. One day we need a day to sit back, relax, and trade war stories on what we do. Greatfully with maturity and age for some people, comes wisdom. Stay safe my brother.
Mike,
As our 20's and 30's fade from our memories, most of us become a little wiser. Principally it's due to our being lucky and surviving our earlier stupid mistakes. All the best!
Thanks for sharing with us Mike. Stay safe around that pond, they are nice but dangerous when in the woods like that. You'll probably have lots of reminders as the time nears August. Have fun around there and we will be watching and enjoying what you post on here. Fred.
My Grandfather tried to save a young boy that got caught in the flow of a stand pipe when the boy cleaned out the debris of a pond. The horror of not being able to save the young boy and the trauma of the whole tragic event tormented my Grandfather for the rest of his life.
Lost a diver at a hydro electric plant years ago some things you never forget. I had to fix the drain valve he got stuck in
You need to have an extra overflow pipe, probably a 6" or 8" PVC, recssed where the pond is overflowing now. Put a wire mesh shapped like a jar. You can buy that online. Im sure you know all this.
Mike, look into sucking water from near the bottom of the pond, it’s healthier for the pond. Cut your pipe a couple feet from the bottom and put the stand pipe outside the pond.
Something similar happened to my father. Worried us and our farming fraternity sick. If only he’d told folk he’d left his car two miles from home before he got into his hour long bath.
As a guy who can’t swim, that pond story was terrifying. It’s like my worst nightmare.
A concrete spillway would be ideal in conjunction with a redesigned standpipe after a clear out of the pond, a big job for late spring or summer. 👍
I would not use concrete
if the soil had a
good clay content.
Local practice would be a good guide.
@@jakebredthauer5100 I would tend to agree about a high clay content but Mike’s already of the opinion to use concrete perhaps due to the soil composition and the fact he doesn’t like stone for that purpose.
@@warrenstanford7240
Another factor would be a tree cover. Without trees, the grass could grow and carry the water across the soil.
The skill of the builder would be a factor. I guess Mike would probably be the builder. He would probably not goof it up but after what he did with that canoe, who knows?
Has brain may have been starving for energy causing him to fall in the water. and forget what happened. I have a tendency that way.
My relative had a large dam. The spell way was not maintained and the tube plugged, dam broke, flooded a town.
If he wants to use concrete, he probably has a good reason.
Small stone would probably wash away but used concrete would stay in place.
Mike you made the right decision to not get out in the pond again. That first time was a harrowing experience. I know a guy who lost his life like that. I’ve always liked spillways. That’s what I have on our pond. They are so much better. Take care and have a good one! 👍❤️
If i recall, you were going to fix the pond back in 2017. I remeber you saying that you were going to take care of the pond in the next couple of weeks lol. I guess you could work on the pond up in the night when you aint doing anything but sleeping lol. You have got to be one of busiest person that i know. Anyway, good luck with the pond. Stay safe everybody
Growing up I had a neighbor that had four pawns three of which he had built himself and all of his standpipes, we called them castles, we're all built the same way 16 inch steel pipe with a long slot about 4 inches wide that extended from the top down into the water. The castles stuck up out of the water probably 6 ft to allow for you know additional water to collect into the ponds, well as you got toward the top of the castle about the top two feet had 4 inch slots cut all the way around the pipe about 4 inches apart and the top of the pipe was capped off solid that way the pond has more water came in it could keep draining out as it was coming in and if it got to the top there were more intake slots and if it ran over the top then the incoming debris would stay on the top while water could still filter through the slots in the 18 years that I lived there before moving I don't ever remember those ponds intake castles getting stopped up
With age comes wisdom (in most cases 😄) ... I have also learned that I can't do the work I did when I was 35. Now at 73 I still love work, hiking, cycling, but exhausting work, I either leave to my 4 sons or 4 grandsons, or I do it 20 minutes at a time! I have a friend who is 78. He does everything like he's killing snakes! Not good. Have a great day!
Good Morning Morgan Family 😃- Have a Wonderful and Blessed Day 🤠. Where getting snow and bitter cold. It’s supposed to be -45 here in my area of Montana Friday night. I’m 57 and I’ve used up my nine lives by this point in my life. You gain wisdom from all those lessons learned.
As long as you learned from your mistakes and are still alive and kicking everything is alright.
Good morning Mike, always remember that you only have one life to live. Glad that you made it through that horrible incident and lived to tell the story. If you’re going out to do a dangerous job, don’t do it alone take someone else with you. Stay safe my friend and have a good day.
I Had Been Wondering About Your Pond Recently And How It Was Doing!! Now We Have A Update!! Thanks Mike For The Video!!
Keep Smiling On!!
😀👍👊❤️
Mike, I am not telling you what to do, but the ponds around me have a dock over the outlet pipe and in some cases the top of the pipe is covered with a float which prevents debris from clogging the pipe. Having a dock allows for relatively easy maintenance.
I love your thought of having a couple of sediment traps upstream. It also would be good if there was a road next to the side of the stream. This would also make retrieving downed trees easier, it is easier to move them downhill!
Wondering if you cleared out 50 feet around the pond of trees if you'd get less debris in the pond.
Lots of good comments on how to drain without clogging. I'd like to add, always have another person there if your gonna go out in the water. Have a rope attached so if needed they pull you back in boat or you hanging onto rope if you fall out while they pull you in (life vest on as well). Have a vehicle like your side by side or 4 wheeler so you can get back to warm shelter fast. And leave your phone in vehicle or waterproof container with you...cheap phones are long gone.
Looks like you guys received similar rainfall as we did in East TN!
Good morning Morgans and friends.
Mike, how many videos have you now uploaded? Have a day! Thanks.
Hi Michael!
@@davidmorse8432 good morning sir
Good morning friend 😸😺
@@badcat4707 good morning friend. Stay warm, I'm sure it's cold there. We're getting it starting this weekend. 2° for high temperatures for a cpl days. Thanks
Yeah Mike doing dumb things and living through them is the best teaching experience you can ever have , when I've done things like that it's always "nope not going to do that again"
I had the same thing happen in our place in North Carolina. We had 4 and 1/2 inches of rain on Tuesday and we almost lost our dam for our pond. That was some more storm that came through.
When the ground is frozen the rain does not soak in as well, runs off.
Good Thursday morning Morgan fam! Have a productive day!
Mike, sounds like you had the beginning stages of hypothermia during your last pond fiasco. You were lucky it wasn’t any worst. Good call on delaying unclogging. Also, Melissa’s short “I’m married to Mike Morgan” was hilarious!
What about a small burm around the edge of the pond to let debri pile up against that instead of going down the hill directly in the pond and just have to clean around that area about twice a year
A 6 inch siphon pipe would probably be adequate for the drainage you have there. It takes a much smaller diameter pipe as you would get 100 percent capacity from a siphon pipe and it never gets clogged and allows you to lower the pond level to clean out sediment.
Mike, you can add a 90' to the stand pipe & discharge from the bottom of the pond.
Don’t get me wrong. The pond stuff and your story on unclogging the standpipe is interesting and amusing but that Ford GT……wow! Beautiful car
There is a trash rack you can make and mount over the top of the stand pipe that is just a larger diameter section of pipe that is mounted 8” or so below your existing stand pipe and 18” above. Then when floating debris approaches the stand pipe the debris floats around the perimeter and the water goes under the larger pipe and into your existing pipe. If it’s CMP pipe we usually just drill holes through the existing pipe and larger pipe section and run threaded through both and put nuts on each side (inside and out) to hold it in place. Sounds weird but works great. Engineer’s still spec normal cage trash racks but they just don’t work when floating sticks and leaves clog up them up.
You are right the stand pipe be replaced, you can't. Stay safe!
You are right about the pond Mike, A Spillway would be the real deal.
Water is a dangerous thing, always need to treat it with caution.
You could build a trash rack around the stack entrance - a metal grid box going out 1ft around it to stop the sticks from blocking it up.
Mike, I experienced a similar pond episode and I learned to ALWAYS put my phone in a zip-lock bag when it is raining then leave the bag in my pocket of each jacket for future rainy days. A wet phone cannot call 911. A circle of pool noodles tethered to the stand pipe helps keep out debris but they are not pretty and they need attention from time to time. BTW Great video!!!!
That's a great idea. Can you operate the phone while it is inside the ziplock bag?
@@davidmorse8432yes, do it all time when fly fishing
Yes you can
Lol.... 'don't do dumb things' awesome!!!! Always enjoy your vids, great stuff
I agree Mike. The older we get we need to work smarter and not harder!
That close call had a lasting impression. I remember you doing a lot of pond maintenance with the KX-080 rental a few years ago. You were quite pressed for time as you were doing the site work for your building. We see a lot of pond and dam work on RUclips but more in open areas not completely surrounded by woods and hills. You have got your hands full.
Looks like a job for Letsdig 18. I think you need a new spill way put in. So is the pond there for wildlife?
Us Southerners call it a pond drawing where we go try to catch fish and have good time doing it
I wonder if, in addition to digging a settlement pond, thinning the trees away from the pond edge might help with leaves & branches ending up in the pond? Yes, easier said than done...
Funny how Mike’s simple stories brings out all the armchair engineers to solve his problem. Got to love the Morgan community.
Good Morning All!
Can you lay a big tarp down on the dam, held down by some rocks so the water flows over the tarp preventing some erosion??
If your redoing the whole pond you might as well move that stand pipe close to the bank so that you can clean it out with out having to leave dry land
Gabions to catch sediment and some of the debris. When you rebuild the dam set as big a pipe you can that you can plug as low as you can. open it from time to time to let the sediment drain out from the bottom.. Breaking the dam sooner would let the rain clean much of the pond out and let the muck dry a bit so that which stays put isn't so mucky.
Look into a 6 inch siphon drain system. I’ve done 2 and they work great.
5 gallon bucket, drill half inch holes in bottom to let air escape. Turn it upside down over the pipe so that the pipe goes about half way of the bucket. Affix it to the pipe with metal brackets. As the water rises it will go in the bucket and out the pipe but trash will not. Of course if pipe is large you will need a bigger bucket, have seen 30 gallon plastic drums used.
I had crazy experience when I cleaned my clogged 15 inch standpipe on my pond in Ruff Creek , my boat got stuck on top of the standpipe , scary incidence but after hard paddling I got off.
Captain Kleeman used the 90 , 90 degree stand pipe solution
Probably a good thing that you pulled so much water from the pond last summer when you were watering your new grass in front of the house. Could have been much worse now if that water had not been drained. :)
we're gonna get the cold freeze-up you've been wanting. Iowa for this weekend is supposed to be below 0
MIKE v.9 Probably a good way to be!
I had to grin when I saw your tractor through the window behind you when you were talking.
I remembered saying he will want a bigger shed for storing his tractors inside. You can never have too big of a shed! lol
Good morning Morgans family. God bless you guys.
Place a tarp over both sides of the dam to minimize erosion. A 15 x 20 foot tarp should be good.
We finally hit -25 C last night here in Saskatchewan! My dog went out,then headed right back to bed when she came in….lol…we have been spoiled.
I'm old enough to remeber you draining a pond using a PVC pipe siphoning system.
You have plenty of fall to put in a siphon and drop the pond level. Let's dig 18 uses siphon pipes a lot.
Mike 2.0 so glad you were OK... time and experience are great teachers!
Hello from New Brunswick Canada 🇨🇦
Mike you need to build a trash rack. FarmCraft101 has a video how he built his. He has a 7 part video of a pond build. In part 7 at min 41:40 he starts the build. Hope this helps you out. Play safe.
I subscribe to ODWM and FarmCraft. These two guys have taught this old man a lot more tricks that otherwise would be learned the hard way.
Totally agree 👍. I'll have to check out ODWM
Maybe a floating dock that you could walk out to the stand pipe might be a little better than a canoe..
Have you seen how let's dig drains ponds with a siphon it's a slick set up n n simple n would have worked on your pond to help save it n a lot of work
I have acreage (not much) that was a sawmill. Lumber big stuff. The 'old man' RIP was a worker and got option. He got a good corner that had a pond for logs. Now almost 45 years since they left. He passed and the buyer was a builder that started building houses in the depressed land. Much of the dam is gone and all was pending disaster. Hurricanes would back up into it as the creek that cuts my property on one end. Now big rains caused him issues. A tall bank channel weaves through the yards and into the creek. Sigh
Always interesting videos and stories. Mike, don’t you think Melissa and Eva would look perfect driving that Ford GT? Eva can take it to her college campus 😂