Loved my 2019 Grom, gonna be getting a black SP model, love the added style of the undercowl. Likely add handguards cause the Grom has been awesome to goof off on around the woods and farm fields. It'll be weird having a 5th gear on the road finally
something about the smaller displacement sewing machine sound, and then you get up to the CB300R with its 286CC single, and it's a big more throaty, IE a larger sewing machine.
@@DerekFrampton 500. /. 600. Ice bike or a Ducati with the flywheel removed running total loss ing, crying it's heart out through a opened up reverse cone . Use to be a class called: The battle of the twins and the sound of singles....
I wish Honda would see what the community is doing with these mini-moto's and make a 2nd version perhaps with the super moniker that has 150 or 200cc oil cooled motor. My modded Monkey make about 11-12hp but it would be ideal if it had around 20, would make an awesome commuter for me.
@@xcrack6364I’m on a Condor 150 ( CG Honda design ) Yeah, a 200 would be about right. A CG250 ( 229cc ) is a easy swap on mine, might do that but haven’t modded the 150 at all yet.
Sound is blown out in the video. Besides that, most all motorized two wheeled stuff is great. The Grom holds value, is inexpensive enough to be a second or third unit, is small and don't hog up space, can run on most roadways with adequate speed, dirt cheap to run, and holds adults without being smashed into the ground. Not to mention reliable as a stone axe. It doesn't have the stigma of a scooter... which some people might otherwise be bothered about.
No, it has the stigma of a Grom. Pretty much like vaping, similar clients are into them. Who pays more money for this kids toy, why not get a decent used drz400 or wr450?
@@marcoluoma3770 OP used the term "stigma" about scooters. This discussion isn't about playing virtuos. When manufacturers are spending energy on meaningless kids toys, they will spend less energy on useful bikes. So no.
@@impalaSS65 a small, lightweight, low emissions, low-profile, easily repairable city runabout isn't a "useful bike"? Come on now. That describes 90% of the bikes in the WORLD.
Nah, keep the display the same, simple and functional, just like the bike. No need for techie stuff, that just ups the price and the possibility for something to go wrong. Too many unnecessary electronics on things as it is.
You said it helps them keep price down to use hold over parts. That does not affect the price my young friend. It just affects how much goes in their pocket
I live in a city with steep streets; how/can it handle them? I weigh ~195....ish. A dealer near has a 2024 in stock, and last weekend my Hypermotard builder and his fiancé both spent the day mountain riding a pair of them and they couldn't stop smiling.
If Honda imported it’s CB125R and CB125F models into North America, they would never sell another Grom (yes, I am exaggerating) and it would also reduce sales of their CBR300 and CB300 models. If Yamaha (YZF-R125, MT-125, YZF-R15, MT-15, XSR-15, FZ-S), Kawasaki (Ninja 125, Z125) and Suzuki (GSXR125) did the same there would be no appreciable market for these mini bikes. While in other markets the Grom does co-exist in Honda’s lineup with other 125cc models; in the UK for example there are six Honda 125cc models on offer, including three mini bikes. There are many reasons why riders purchase Groms (including very small riders for whom a Grom is not miniature at all), but the most pertinent of these are affordability (both purchase price and operating costs, i.e., fuel, servicing, etc.) and availability. As new full sized Japanese 125cc motorcycles are generally not sold in the largest markets in North America (i.e., Canada and the USA), availability has been deliberately limited to minibikes, scooters and underbone models such as the Super Cub and Trail 125, all of which are limited in their capabilities, utility and appeal. Very few people would be taking their Honda Grom for a 100km highway trip, let alone riding cross country. While there will always be a contingent of riders to whom minibikes appeal, the majority of riders, whose primary objective is transportation, if presented with a 125cc minibike and a full-sized 125cc motorcycle at a similar price point will opt for the latter. For example the Honda CB125F with its 18” wheels, 70mph top speed and 20% lower price. See the examples below from Honda. As the CBR125R is no longer offered in the UK I have substituted Yamaha’s YZF125R. MSX125 Grom: 9.6hp, 12” wheels. Top speed: 60mph. £3,929 ($4,828 in Canada). www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/125cc/msx125/overview.html CB125F: 11hp, 18” wheels. Top speed: 70mph / 113km/h. £3,149 www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/125cc/cb125f/overview.html CB125R: 15hp, 17” wheels. Top speed: 80mph/130km/h. £4,699 www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/street/cb125r/overview.html Yamaha YZF-R125: 15hp, 17” wheels. Top speed: 80mph/130km/h. £5,303 www.yamaha-motor.eu/gb/en/motorcycles/supersport/pdp/r125-2024/
@@radianman You said "if Honda imported CVR125 and BB125 into North America they would never sell anothrr Grom" - maybe its you thst needs to look at your education. making sweeping statements when you have no idea what people will buy speaks volumes. Most own a Grom + at least one other bike. Chances are even if Honda bring the CBR125 they wont suddenly sell little to no Groms because of the ammount of folks that want to be part of the Grom sub-culture. There are folks who own litre bikes but also own a Grom. ...but yeah you know ALL about what Honda's strategy should be because you know everything about North America 🤦♂️🤣
The only real interesting competition to it is the CFMoto Papio's, especially the Papio SS. I hate the segmentation game Honda plays, it's ridiculous. The CFMoto Papio has ABS standard for all 3 color options, for example. Oh, you want a Black Grom from the dealer? No ABS. What's even the point of the "SP" version. It's just Black. The belly pan on the Honda site can be added to any of them. Just really lame segmentation. But it's an awesome moto regardless 100%. I just hope that maybe they'll give more a shizz in 2026 like offering at the dealer any color you want with ABS or not. Make it part of the "Build Your Own" screen, just like the Honda OEM accessories. A slightly body panel change is not a "new gen" really; they could have done at least one more thing, like you said, make the screen better, bright/color or something. They're totally right about the bigger changes like the older gen seat tilted positions; some people love that more. Stuff like that gen from gen is way more interesting. Like Gen 1 and Gen 2 still have a community, like check out the TYGA bodykits for the older gens. But what they did with the "new gen" 2025 is just low effort because they don't really need to do much. But I hope stuff like the Papio SS puts a bit more fire into the scene. As far as just the idea behind a mini-moto in general, I love that so much. I don't actually want a bigger one. I think it's great for commuting, etc.
Adding Öhlins top of the line suspension; front and rear, along with a proper aluminum frame are the inexpensive upgrades I'd like to see. Rearsets and clip ons along with a full ti exhaustion are also musts. I guess it'll be a zx4rr for me, with CF wheels, a full Evo ti Akra, and some tires. If some crazy fabricator offered a proper frame and swing arm I'd be in. I'm thinking 80 whp with mods. I'll be 62 later this month, so no more modded S1000RRs for me. I'd rather find a Suzuki RG500 Gamma for 20-25k in mint condition, but that's not likely to happen. Sorry, not interested in the Grim at nearly $4k.
You know absolutely nothing about the concept of a motorcycle that is a Honda Grom or a Monkey, they are worth every cent they cost but it is not a question of money, the point is that they have not made it for you, you do not know what you are talking about
It would be cool if Honda would bore the engine out just a bit to make it a true 125 instead of the actual 123.9 that it is now. The Z125 Pro is a true 125.
Keep your gas guzzler and get a from as well. 🙂 There's no point comparing, you'll have a blast on both. ...think I ride my Grom more than my big bike now...and I'm on my third one over the last 10 years...and never without big bikes as well.
Loved my 2019 Grom, gonna be getting a black SP model, love the added style of the undercowl. Likely add handguards cause the Grom has been awesome to goof off on around the woods and farm fields. It'll be weird having a 5th gear on the road finally
No matter the size,
I love the sound of a single.
something about the smaller displacement sewing machine sound, and then you get up to the CB300R with its 286CC single, and it's a big more throaty, IE a larger sewing machine.
@@DerekFrampton
500. /. 600. Ice bike or a Ducati with the flywheel removed running total loss ing, crying it's heart out through a opened up reverse cone .
Use to be a class called:
The battle of the twins and the sound of singles....
I wish Honda would see what the community is doing with these mini-moto's and make a 2nd version perhaps with the super moniker that has 150 or 200cc oil cooled motor.
My modded Monkey make about 11-12hp but it would be ideal if it had around 20, would make an awesome commuter for me.
@@SSS-mp8th I definitely agree. I really wish they’d increase the size to at least 199cc. That’d be perfect.
@@xcrack6364I’m on a Condor 150 ( CG Honda design ) Yeah, a 200 would be about right. A CG250 ( 229cc ) is a easy swap on mine, might do that but haven’t modded the 150 at all yet.
I like the new look. I wasn't a fan of the "bullet hole" panels on the older Groms.
Own a cb300r, did my MSF on a tiny Honda Grom... thing is a laugh and the cb feels like an "adult" Grom and is all the more fun for it.
The 2025 red Honda Grom is so cool! I also ride a red 2023 Honda Grom.😁
Sound is blown out in the video.
Besides that, most all motorized two wheeled stuff is great. The Grom holds value, is inexpensive enough to be a second or third unit, is small and don't hog up space, can run on most roadways with adequate speed, dirt cheap to run, and holds adults without being smashed into the ground. Not to mention reliable as a stone axe. It doesn't have the stigma of a scooter... which some people might otherwise be bothered about.
No, it has the stigma of a Grom. Pretty much like vaping, similar clients are into them.
Who pays more money for this kids toy, why not get a decent used drz400 or wr450?
@@impalaSS65 I can appreciate a turbo Hayabusa. I can also appreciate a Grom. A lot of people don't have the emotional capacity to do that.
@@impalaSS65It’s okay, just because people make choices different than yours, you don’t have to be so insecure. Live and let live, eh?
@@marcoluoma3770 OP used the term "stigma" about scooters. This discussion isn't about playing virtuos.
When manufacturers are spending energy on meaningless kids toys, they will spend less energy on useful bikes. So no.
@@impalaSS65 a small, lightweight, low emissions, low-profile, easily repairable city runabout isn't a "useful bike"? Come on now. That describes 90% of the bikes in the WORLD.
That Klim Cycle World jacket is pretty cool.
Please no connectivity to phones or electronics. Gas gauge and speedo only.
Nah, keep the display the same, simple and functional, just like the bike. No need for techie stuff, that just ups the price and the possibility for something to go wrong. Too many unnecessary electronics on things as it is.
I 100% agree with this! less shit to go wrong. keep it simple!
Agreed 💯%
Amazing! After 60 years, Honda finds a way to put a 5th gear in!
just when another mini-moto comes standard with 6 gears in the U.S.
You said it helps them keep price down to use hold over parts. That does not affect the price my young friend. It just affects how much goes in their pocket
???? They can price the bike lower because of that.
I like the looks of this new model. I didn't like the big panels.
Hey, both hands on at the Barber Parkway dip!
Thanks for a fun review. I don’t want one but I hope they’re still available when the granddaughter turns 8.
One needs to be about 5' tall to ride one. The seat height is the same as most conventional motorcycles.
I still hate its exhaust layout. Would be nice if it is like the Kawasaki XSR 110 layout. 😅
I live in a city with steep streets; how/can it handle them? I weigh ~195....ish. A dealer near has a 2024 in stock, and last weekend my Hypermotard builder and his fiancé both spent the day mountain riding a pair of them and they couldn't stop smiling.
I go full throttle everywhere on mine and it still returns 148mpg 😅👍🏻
Why is this bike slower than a 50+ year old Honda 125? Both air cooled and this bike is lighter plus this is F.I. over the old Carb'd bike.
If Honda imported it’s CB125R and CB125F models into North America, they would never sell another Grom (yes, I am exaggerating) and it would also reduce sales of their CBR300 and CB300 models. If Yamaha (YZF-R125, MT-125, YZF-R15, MT-15, XSR-15, FZ-S), Kawasaki (Ninja 125, Z125) and Suzuki (GSXR125) did the same there would be no appreciable market for these mini bikes.
While in other markets the Grom does co-exist in Honda’s lineup with other 125cc models; in the UK for example there are six Honda 125cc models on offer, including three mini bikes.
There are many reasons why riders purchase Groms (including very small riders for whom a Grom is not miniature at all), but the most pertinent of these are affordability (both purchase price and operating costs, i.e., fuel, servicing, etc.) and availability. As new full sized Japanese 125cc motorcycles are generally not sold in the largest markets in North America (i.e., Canada and the USA), availability has been deliberately limited to minibikes, scooters and underbone models such as the Super Cub and Trail 125, all of which are limited in their capabilities, utility and appeal. Very few people would be taking their Honda Grom for a 100km highway trip, let alone riding cross country.
While there will always be a contingent of riders to whom minibikes appeal, the majority of riders, whose primary objective is transportation, if presented with a 125cc minibike and a full-sized 125cc motorcycle at a similar price point will opt for the latter. For example the Honda CB125F with its 18” wheels, 70mph top speed and 20% lower price. See the examples below from Honda. As the CBR125R is no longer offered in the UK I have substituted Yamaha’s YZF125R.
MSX125 Grom: 9.6hp, 12” wheels. Top speed: 60mph. £3,929 ($4,828 in Canada).
www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/125cc/msx125/overview.html
CB125F: 11hp, 18” wheels. Top speed: 70mph / 113km/h. £3,149
www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/125cc/cb125f/overview.html
CB125R: 15hp, 17” wheels. Top speed: 80mph/130km/h. £4,699
www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/street/cb125r/overview.html
Yamaha YZF-R125: 15hp, 17” wheels. Top speed: 80mph/130km/h. £5,303
www.yamaha-motor.eu/gb/en/motorcycles/supersport/pdp/r125-2024/
And there in lies the issue. There’s more to the world than North America 😂
@@friktionrc And there is also more to North America than the USA and Canada.
@@radianman nah mate, there really isn’t 😂
@@friktionrc Yes there is. I would educate you, but it will do you good to do the research yourself. Use your magnifying glass.
@@radianman You said "if Honda imported CVR125 and BB125 into North America they would never sell anothrr Grom" - maybe its you thst needs to look at your education. making sweeping statements when you have no idea what people will buy speaks volumes. Most own a Grom + at least one other bike. Chances are even if Honda bring the CBR125 they wont suddenly sell little to no Groms because of the ammount of folks that want to be part of the Grom sub-culture. There are folks who own litre bikes but also own a Grom. ...but yeah you know ALL about what Honda's strategy should be because you know everything about North America 🤦♂️🤣
The only real interesting competition to it is the CFMoto Papio's, especially the Papio SS. I hate the segmentation game Honda plays, it's ridiculous. The CFMoto Papio has ABS standard for all 3 color options, for example. Oh, you want a Black Grom from the dealer? No ABS. What's even the point of the "SP" version. It's just Black. The belly pan on the Honda site can be added to any of them. Just really lame segmentation. But it's an awesome moto regardless 100%. I just hope that maybe they'll give more a shizz in 2026 like offering at the dealer any color you want with ABS or not. Make it part of the "Build Your Own" screen, just like the Honda OEM accessories. A slightly body panel change is not a "new gen" really; they could have done at least one more thing, like you said, make the screen better, bright/color or something. They're totally right about the bigger changes like the older gen seat tilted positions; some people love that more. Stuff like that gen from gen is way more interesting. Like Gen 1 and Gen 2 still have a community, like check out the TYGA bodykits for the older gens. But what they did with the "new gen" 2025 is just low effort because they don't really need to do much. But I hope stuff like the Papio SS puts a bit more fire into the scene. As far as just the idea behind a mini-moto in general, I love that so much. I don't actually want a bigger one. I think it's great for commuting, etc.
Adding Öhlins top of the line suspension; front and rear, along with a proper aluminum frame are the inexpensive upgrades I'd like to see.
Rearsets and clip ons along with a full ti exhaustion are also musts.
I guess it'll be a zx4rr for me, with CF wheels, a full Evo ti Akra, and some tires. If some crazy fabricator offered a proper frame and swing arm I'd be in. I'm thinking 80 whp with mods.
I'll be 62 later this month, so no more modded S1000RRs for me.
I'd rather find a Suzuki RG500 Gamma for 20-25k in mint condition, but that's not likely to happen.
Sorry, not interested in the Grim at nearly $4k.
You know absolutely nothing about the concept of a motorcycle that is a Honda Grom or a Monkey, they are worth every cent they cost but it is not a question of money, the point is that they have not made it for you, you do not know what you are talking about
It would be cool if Honda would bore the engine out just a bit to make it a true 125 instead of the actual 123.9 that it is now. The Z125 Pro is a true 125.
Do they have aftermarket pistons with a different dome that could achieve the true 125, or a different connecting rod?
Did Honda finally firm up those spongy forks?
Awesome
Cool that Grim is most sold cycle? Don't like your job?
Well, at least it's not as ugly this year.
Do you need a license plate to ride on the street
Just a permit since it’s under 125cc👍
@@leoburgos9254 what permit?
You can either get your motorcycle license straight away or you can just book an appointment and get your motorcycle learners permit instead
It’s much easier because all your doing is the online knowledge test then they give you your permit
However with the permit you can’t drive on highways and you’ll have a curfew but since the Grom is slower that doesn’t really matter
Perhaps the least informative “review” I’ve ever heard. This guy’s no Peter Egan.
Yet, here you are.
first! time to downgrade from a 1200cc gas guzzler 😂
Keep your gas guzzler and get a from as well. 🙂 There's no point comparing, you'll have a blast on both. ...think I ride my Grom more than my big bike now...and I'm on my third one over the last 10 years...and never without big bikes as well.
I can’t decide what’s more embarrassing to ride - a scooter or a grom?
😂😂😂 there fun to ride you don’t get it
You gotta leave the ego at home on both. It's about smiles per gallon.
I ride a Grom and not at all embarrassed by getting my 130+mpg.
Why would you be embarrassed about riding either? Go out and have fun! I get nothing but waves and thumbs ups with my Grom on my city rides too!
Your comment is what’s embarrassing stay at home