@@jacktihs2963 Yes... that was annoying. He got hold of her and do what? Throw her away so she can get some range to do her things?!? Stupid. he would just strangle her or break her arms and legs, or hit her to the ground stumping her. RIP Kate Bishop! The battle beetween daredevil and Kingpin... that was something else!
@@SmurfKenny kingpin from the Netflix show would have killed Echo with one punch. Kate bishop with an open palm slap. Matthew survived because he has a high pain tolerance. That’s like his main superpower. He can take a hell of a beating and keep going.
@@jacktihs2963 i agree, how she is about 60lb dripping wet, having seen the new Batman movie, how they shot the fight between Batman and Catwoman, she threw herself at Batman and bounced off him. as it should be. Kingpin hit Daredevil and he went thru walls, but you want me to except that Kate can go toe to toe with Kingpin?? no chance man.. even in England (UK) we know how life works... whats worse you know if Hawkeye went toe to toe with Kingpin, he would of been smashed to bits, they even had Kate shoot him with an arrow, close range and Kingpin brushed it off.. dont know why they are doing this, probably cus of Amber Turd.. maybe..
Feige said "number of female superheroes will outnumber the male superheroes".... Actually there will come a point that "the number of female superheroes will outnumber the viewers".
Something no one mentions about this show that was so absurd - No police anywhere in NYC. A gun shootout featuring dozens of known criminals firing guns for 10 minutes in Rockefeller Center, and not a single cop shows up until the whole battle is over. There are cops all over Rockefeller Center on any given day, let alone Christmas season. And they are never more than a few blocks away in midtown Manhattan. Were they all on Xmas vacay?
Hawkeye (Clint Barton) show should have started from earlier times with Black Widow and maybe Budapest and SHIELD missions they were part of before Avengers. That would have been wayyyy better.
Way better. Literally anything would have been better. But no. They can't do it. They just can't make a good D+ show that the actual fans would love. Fucks sake lol
@@catsofsherman1316 Lol Maybe Freddie’s mom bought it in the bargain bin. As a huge Queen, I dislike Hot Space quite a bit. Its saving grace was Under Pressure and Calling All Girls. But Mercury (and John Deacon) were very proud of the album, thinking it was ahead of its time. As for Brian and especially Roger, their distain for it has been stated numerous times. And shockingly, it was fairly well-received by most critics.
It most certainly didn’t flop, it did the same numbers as every other D+ show that isn’t Loki. Loki being a massive success. Either way, it’s clear you haven’t watched the show.
As a big fan of the original Hawkeye, you can imagine my excitement, when I heard about the Hawkeye series. And you can imagine my disappointment, when the first trailer cane out, and I knew immediately, that it was gonna be all about kate, yelena, and maya. The whole thing was a big middle finger to all the male characters. And are they really trying to tell us that a kid managed to beat Kingping himself on the first try? Yeah, no. My man Clint deserved better. :(
@@ShadowSonic2 Speaking for myself, "scared" - fuck no. I am, however, repulsed by combative, masculine, disagreeable women anywhere in the world, real or reel. Perhaps you're drawn to them, aren't you fella?
@@borgchap1191 channels like these are the reason many people don't waste their money on crappy films, and get inspired to write their own stories. You may think not, but they are really good for the entertainment industry.
I honestly wanted to see what how Clint dealt with being Ronin for 5 years and the loss of Black widow. How would he start relating with the outside world now that his anchor(his family is back) how does that 5 years affect him, how does it affect his relationship with his family
The season is only halfway through and those things habe already been alluded to. I'd be pretty surprised if the series didn't dig deeper into any if that.
@@Paraludic lmao eluded too, that should be the basis of the show I don't think people grasp who exactly Ronin was and what he did, actions have consequences, 5 years of your life should have repercussions They are not going to dig deeper into this
@@anjolatope-babalola2338 Do you have the scripts for the next half of the season to base that nonsense take on? No? I don't know why you're trying to laugh off the clear story beats that Clint is troubled by his past. He wants to gibe up the hero stuff to be with the family, and his reaction to watching the Broadway show shows he's deeply effected by his friend's death. Now people know Ronin is back, he's already been forced to deal with the consequences of his past, namely Maya, who's father was killed by him. If there's anything else I can ealk you through just let me know.
@@Paraludic It goes both ways, do you have the scripts for the next half of the season to base your theory on. Lmao, in story telling , they tell you to show and not tell, we have had about 15 min of screen time with him and his family, and him trying to get the suit is not dealing with the consequences of being Ronin, Having bits and pieces is not the same thing as having yeh a how based on that singular concept. like I said people do not understand the concept of Ronin, or what he did , he decimated the criminal underworld, lmao, that takes a toll on you, and we have not been shown the effects it had on him, he still seems to be the same guy. There should be far more consequences for what he did, than echo chasing down her father killer. I don't know why you are arguing with me, if you like the show good for you, I want a show based on the concept of him dealing with Ronin and the effect of the blip, this show is not based of that, Kate is the driving force of this show, not a bad concept, although yeh execution is not perfect, but it's not the concept I want Damn
@@anjolatope-babalola2338 I said I'd be surprised if jt didn't because of how the first few episodes have already touched upon that subject. You've just shot yourself in the foot there and don't have anything else to stand on...
@@GinNBoost Yeah right! That's why you had to change your comment that it would suck! They weren't going to show ANY trailer. The LEAKS ruined all those surprises. Let that sink in. Gonna sell out.
Just like Ironfist, men step aside for the woman to take over their title because they are so much better. Vera Farmiga's talent is wasted in this show.
to be fair, Iron Fish was the worst thing in his own show... can't really blame them for letting the iron chick be lead. she was the only reason to watch the show...
It seems it's today's strategy. People are not liking our movies. Call them sexists and only focus on that. It's the Kathleen Kennedy approac of producingh. It's actively rewarded instead of being criticised at Disney. Appealing a story for the most people is bland at the end. Look at McDonald's french fries. They are the same worldwide and hardly differ. The revenue is there. Just don't expect anything amazing for success anymore.
Problem is his criticisms are flat out wrong and just stemming from an anti SJW hate boner. He’s saying it’s woke, but how exactly? Kate Bishop is a girl and she’s a lead? That’s not woke. He just can’t handle a female being a lead. And before he says “uh I like 4 female leads from 40 years ago,” let me ask you this: How is this show woke? In what way is it woke besides Kate Bishop being a girl? If you’re only fucking problem is that she’s a woman, the problem isn’t the writing. It’s you
It also helps that Gary is just a transphobic POS and I would not be surprised if he was sexist too. He makes fun of trans people on his streams with Jeremy and Ryan and when a trans man says his pronouns are he/him, he proceeds to chant “you’re still a woman” and rant about how “you’ll never become a man”
Wow. The leftist above me is just stuffed full of anger. Calm your roll my dude. You can't be tr@nzf0bic, they don't exist. It's called g3nder dyzph0ri@, and because I have to say it like that you know I'm right. No need to censor liers after all.
@@Zathren You’re seriously going to say the term transphobic isn’t correct. The dictionary definition of transphobia is “discrimination against transgender people” That’s exactly what Gary did. What’s the difference? And yes I’m fucking mad. Because Gary is a shit human being who can’t let go of his ego
Maybe I’m odd man out, but I am enjoying Hawkeye. Kate is not coming across as a Mary Sue as we saw her practice, she is coming across as a Hawkeye fan girl. Which she is.
Yea, I agree. Under the "M-she-U" theory, she'd come in just as strong, capable, and heroic as Clint, and she definitely doesn't. She makes mistakes and she often admits that she doesn't know everything, particularly when she's with Clint. I'm actually enjoying it 🤷🏻
Nope, I'm with you too, brother.. It's a good show. I'm very much liking the "buddy movie" thing going on with Kate and Clint.. And we ALL know that "buddy movies" have the young, cocky, brash,, over-confident one who fucks up (which is Kate), and the more calm, stable, experienced hand who tries to rein them in a bit (which is Clint).. Some people can't stand that it's a girl doing the "brash, young, cocky" thing...
@@kingoffriesthekingwillrise1701 Well said mate. While the show is certainly not perfect (but then, what show is?), it's entertaining and fun enough with some really good and appealing actors doing the thing that they're good at. and sometimes that's just what you need .
20:32 it’s shown in homecoming that there are people that clean up superhero messes and there are also people who take advantage from it like the vulture
Having grown up with shows like Star Trek The Next Generation, I just can't stand these filler shows that seem to be the norm now. Tales that could be told in a third of the time are dragged out and stuffed full of filler and set-up for future shows that in turn contain more filler.
agree 100%. I'm also a TNG guy and I recall episodes having infinitely more compelling and thoughtful stories in the 45-minute runtime than in any of the disney series in total.
You clearly have a selective memory, there were literally TONS of "filler trash" in the 90s.... It sure as hell wasn't all TNG, X-Files and Babylon 5...
Yep, know what you mean. Yellowstone is doing that. Everything is exposition for the spin offs coming, and because of this, I just lost interest in it.
Yes indeed! I started the series 20 years ago.... And had high hopes for the TV adaptation. So far, it's nothing but a diversity fest. Literally no one cast matches the appearance, or even the personality of the Robert Jordan books. 🤷♂️
@@yikesvikes is the storyline in sync with the books? Like the man hating red aesadie or whatsoever they are called, also does the book also have that men can use the source garbage? Please if you have the time please answer, I really wanna like the show but I hate anything with a touch of sjw, efininism aka misandry, woke postmodernist, neo-marxist critical theory bs! only reason am still watching is to judge if they are just plot tropes and not core messages of the story.
Yes, the reds hate men, and yes. Men who could touch/use the male side of the source were hunted and "gentled".... If you watch the "extras" videos, they do a better job filling in some of the blanks.... However, as I Mentioned, the appearance and personalities of the characters are different than in the books. Lan, for example, was not Asian. The girl whose name begins with an "N", who was the village Wisdom, wasn't black. The girl who plays Rand's love interest wasn't Indian. The kid who plays Perrin (The blacksmith) wasn't black, and not only was he not married, he was painfully shy around girls (Remember, they started out as kids in their late teens in the books). .... Logain was captured, and eventually gentled, but I believe somehow regained his abilities (I could be wrong - the first books were written 20+ years ago) ....
@@yikesvikes thanks bro! that means it's all plot so I will keep watching, having multiple races doesn't bother me as long as they are good and not pushing any further ideology or being preachy, so thanks again for the response.
I agree with most of what you said. However, may be because they actually treated Hawkeye with respect, I felt like it was a huge improvement over Loki and Falcon and Wintersoldier.
@@OfficialTaskMaster The problem with Loki was the whole time they degenerating the character and female Loki was of course the best most powerful version of the character.
@@OfficialTaskMaster bruh the main character of the show became lady loki, and she was shown to be the most powerful, so I don't know what your'e blabbering on about
FYI. Recurve and compound bows go by draw weight , usually marketed child’s , womens, and mens. One is almost the same as kids. Girl Hawkeye can only shoot 18 yards with practice tips. Explosives tips probably hit the ground at 5.
@@babsgalv6556 And that conversion is 20 yards ? Grew up shooting both options , but always loved recurves. Both my young daughters have their own. Unless some captain marvel lucky situation, no way a 90lbs girl could actually be Hawkeye. Just pure stupidity.
Ah, I knew there was something about Kelly SUUUUUE's comment at the start that's always bugged me: If I'm not a fan of your politics, of course I'm not going to buy your books. That used to be the baseline back in the day. So, she assumes the only thing stopping people from enjoying her self-prescribed works is your politics.
Some write their politics, some question it; some write what they know, some try to reach the other side. All are welcome, all are useful, interesting and necessary. Many "liberal" authors don't seem to get this anymore. Neither do their publishers or many of their readers. About the only ones who appreciate pluralism and individuality anymore, surprisingly, are dyed-in-the-wool conservatives. Interesting shift we're going through-- liberals becoming more conservative, conservatives becoming more liberal; progressives and independents towing the line, doing the heavy lifting, waiting for the others to get their heads on straight.
The old Disney use to have traditional family values, no one was marginalized. Now, if you are a male? It's problematic because now it's fashionable to turn the patriarchy within the family into a Homer Simpson or Peter Griffin. As far as Hawkeye goes, it's whatever I'm not interested because Gary is describing it as I imagined it would be, awful. Only hope I have for Marvel is Spider-Man, got my IMAX ticket and my fingers crossed. C'mon Sony, don't fuck it up!
Ppl always start crying when a female becomes a hero...Kate Bishop actually takes over in the comics, plus think of Jeremy Renner, no actor wants to do the same role for years. Let the man go spend time with his daughter, damn!!
Not only that, but actors who play these roles age, unlike in the comics. Renner is in his 50's. I'd say that it's probably about time for this show to be done, pass on the mantle, and show that Clint is finally going to be able to be with his family.
If that's what HE wants, then yes; but DON'T call it the Hawkeye show and mislead fans of *Hawkeye* the man (not the future female version). Has Renner said anything about wanting to quit this role? It's the role of a lifetime. Do you think he's got enough star power e.g. like a Stallone or an Arnie, to walk away from a superhero role? Did Christopher Reeve's star continue to burn after Superman? Did Tobey Maguire's after Spider-Man? From what I've seen of the man in interviews, Renner has his head firmly screwed on and knows that Hawkeye is his career role; and he's going to want to keep on playing it like Shatner played Kirk.
@@KeldorDAntrell ur talking about nothing...I can chop everything u jus said down wit this. The show is called Hawkeye, is it called, Clint Bartons Hawkeye? Guess wat Kate Bishop is also called in the comic books, Hawkeye. And unless u talked to Jeremy Renner, u don't kno if he wanna continue to play one role, he's in his 50s and not every actor wants to play the same role. Chris Evans is even leaving, and he's younger. But because ur a fanboy, does that mean he should still be captain America?
Female heroes ....Storm the series where she fights Callisto X-men 170 and the aftermath that made her shave her head....That story hit home with me 30 years ago. She has been so "diminished" by every single person that has tried to put her on any screen...That story still effects me. I can relate to it in many ways. Don't need to make male heroes into female heroes. Tell the story of the female heroes that have substance. Wanna female villain with substance...try Callisto
X-Men had some solid female characters. Not just Storm, but also Jean Grey (and I wish hacks would stop trying to make the Phoenix arc into movies), Kitty Pride, and Moira McTaggart. Pre-Disney MCU had good female characters, too, in Pepper Pots, Black Widow, and Scarlet Witch. Then Disney comes along and turns all of the deep, complex characters into cartoon stereotypes. Which is ironic, because all of their live action remake$ have been turning complex animated characters into cartoonish live action characters for a decade now. Seriously, fuck Disney.
There’s been a consistent pattern of lightly crapping on Steve Rogers in just about every show and movie since Endgame. It’s pissing me off. You don’t need to deconstruct him, and you don’t need to tear him down just to make Sam look good. In fact, I was pretty happy with Sam being Cap, but now I’m starting to change my mind because of all of that. 😡
And how tf are they crapping at him? Just because he is called Steve Rogers? So they aren't allowed to call him by his own name? Also they are tributing him in No Way Home
@@aviram7129 When you never, or barely ever refer to a character by their 'superhero' name, you're trying to disassociate them from that mantle altogether. It's obvious they don't want people to immediately think of Steve Rogers as ever having been 'Captain America' at this point.
@@TromaDogg If they think that then they wouldn't be erecting giant statues to honour him and btw Vision called Steve Captain Rogers in 2016's Civil War so what are you guys gonna say for that?
@@aviram7129 statues don't mean shit if it's not going to be referenced in furture scenes. They can easily show any statue of a character and it will all end there,it won't signify much.. Unlike the Name of a character. Names are powerful, Names can make or break you. Names are what makes us who we are,they are the foundation of identity,removing it is basically removing who you are and what you represent. So them trying to ignore Steve being the OG Cap by not referencing his Superhero name is simply discrediting him. Plain and simple. Oh and Vision calling Steve Captain Rogers is simply them still discrediting Steve,all of these are planned.. And if you can't see that well i can't force feed you to.
On the contrivances in the episodes, don’t forget Kate coincidentally wearing clothes that make people think she’s a waitress, granting her access to and is responsible for her not being thrown out of the black market auction
Not to forget the dismal security on that auction - anyone carrying drinks or food can just enter and the guards didn't know that just one waiter was supposed to be there? No wonder track suit idiots could get in.
not coincidentally, her mother made her wear fancy dress for the party but after seeing her mother with Jack she rebelled. Instead of wearing something feminine like a dress her mother prepared for her, she wore a man-like suit that completely the opposite.
@@theoph1932 You just proved that it IS coincidental, as she supposedly chose the same suit as the waiters, and it's not like she done it on purpose as everything was unexpected in the auction.
I've worked high events. No way stuff like this gets pulled off. The head of the co. or a high employee is always always in charge. You can't change your thoughts without any approval. They don't fuk with their clients and mess up like that
Every time I hear "M-She-U" I groan, because it is true and oh so depressing. You know what's even more depressing? All the shows from WV to this, but no DD Season 4.
I've never seen anyone say "M-She-U" outside of incel trolls. What the hell is that even about? The original MCU had one female member of the team. One. After Black Widow being the only one for ages, they added a few others, all of which were mostly unimportant. -- Gamora is a tier 2 character. -- Wanda was given zero depth in the movies. -- Captain Marvel was just a badly written, badly made movie. -- Valkyrie was a tier 3 character. -- Can't even think of any others. And now in the Disney Plus series: -- WandaVision definitely starred a woman and it was fantastic -- Falcon & The Winter Soldier had no women lead characters, just a badly written female villain -- Loki had Sylvie but this was brilliant as a self-absorbed douche like Loki would of course fall for himself. -- Hawkeye is about attracting younger girls to the MCU and that's great, not every story must be a gritty, dark and bloody and targeted to 16-year-old boys. The more the merrier. And yet the contrast between Clint and Kate Bishop does tell us a lot more about Clint. Really loving it so far. Seems like a lot children in here just don't like it when everything is not always made for them, all the time.
@@CharlieSoze You don't get it. Problem is not that woman is on the first plan. Problem is to empower woman you trash male characters. Or side line them. It happened with Loki. Let me remind you that this Loki was Loki from 2012. Compare his character and action from movie and then from series. It make no sense. Why they call Hawkeye show when main character is obviously that girl? Are they afraid that woman won't sell that much? I call it hipocrysy. Its just a new pattern in cinema. Woman can't be flawless, and if they are evil, it's bc some men. About Wanda. Show was good. Till last minutes when they let her go bc woman don't need to face consequences of their actions. You don't need to have woman character, or male character to attract to something. All you need is good story and good characters. Do you know who showed me star wars? My mon and my auntie. My father hate it. Yet today Disney tell us that it was forbidden for woman to like star wars cause male character so they can't relate. Bullshit. By this analogy, alien franchise needs now male lead, cause clearly fandom is 100% woman.
@@Negative921 It's no use trying to reason with people like Charlie. They only have a set level of pre-programmed responses and are not equipped to handle actual conversation.
I watched loki because Tom Huddleston was in it and alligator loki is cool. That is what Disney MCU is now. You watch bits and pieces of shows where your fave actors are in it.
Yeah at this point you can't even be mad at Disney. Are you expecting something good on Disney +? Of course they're going to replace all the A list celebrities with diversity hires. It's a waste of time even covering this crap.
@@sirennoir258 Loki seemed super interesting on paper, but the show itself ended up being quite underwhelming and predictable. All the same tropes and issues that this channel has been pointing to for months (years?) now. As most of the Marvel stuff nowadays, we're talking about decent ideas with generally bad execution.
I've got no interest in spending the next decade watching another Hawkeye, another Captain America, another Iron Man, another Black Widow, another Hulk, another Thor, another Spider-Man. Will we get a third decade after this where they continue on with all the same "mantles?"
"Counsels him a little bit on his hearing aid. Telling him to ditch it, and just rely on his senses." She's telling him to eliminate one of his senses to rely on his senses. What kind of sense does that make?
Tbh, this is EXACTLY what I expected from Disney MCU. I had so low ecpectations that I actually was happy when I saw that Kate Bishop wasn't completely flawless but that she could make mistakes and didn't win everything and beat everybody without breaking a sweat... and I can't help feeling sad for being happy about such a minor thing since that reminds me how bad things have gotten.
@@ShadowSonic2 The problem has never been female superheroes, it's when it has to devalue or diminish superheroes of other genders, because of that it becomes problematic. Hawkeye would have been a good show if there was more quality in the cast and also in the plot and screen time. But it's obvious it's a low budget series below any other Marvel tv show so far. Again most people are not concerned with adding female superheroes, they are concerned with the method in doing so. By taking things away from the already established male characters it's not making the brand stronger but quite the reverse. When it's possible to still have two cookies and being able to eating them it's just becomes quite obvious that Marvel doesn't understand or wants it to continue.
@@gustaf3811 When there is a winner, there must always be a loser. Hawkeye IS a good show, it's just about the characters who matter in the long run. The method being, making sure the women are all shrieking damsels. Anything else is "SJW". When there is a winner, there must always be a loser. Not when one cookie is older, had its time, and is cracking and crumbling.
Maybe cuz she’s not a villain. She’s going to be an Anti Hero. She’s under the Kingpin. The Kingpin has lied to her her whole life. She’s not just a villain
Whenever we have people who don’t read the source material, we get guys like gene that doesn’t know what they’re talking about. She’s not set up to be a villain
@@imeralvarado4645 Doesn't matter if they have read the source material or not. Firstly you should be able to absorb the show on its own and understand who characters are and what their motivations are. That points to somewhat poor writing, at minimum. Secondly, his response is just typical of people within the "comicsgate" fan base. They just shit on anything that isn't what they specifically want. The people they follow may offer nuanced takes but, for them, it's all or nothing.
The show is fun and engaging. I hated cap & falcon because it was just bad storytelling & uneven in tone. Almost none of the stuff they complain about here are the actual things wrong with the new Disney era.
Until Episode 4 where she starts acting like an insufferable know-it-all, not listening to Clint when he tells her to do something and she just does the opposite, thinking she can do what she wants because she can handle herself. Like when Tony Stark did this to Peter Parker, not only did he put him in his place and confiscate his suit, people were like "mmm-hmm", especially when Peter kept talking back. But no, here we get none of that and Hawkeye is made to look like the a-hole, especially when he tells Kate, "You're not my partner. Go home.".
When disney does the bait and switch like that, it does the new characters such a disservice. People who tuned in to get OG hawkeye got kate bishop instead and potential new fans of kate bishop didn't tune in at all.
Anyone who saw the trailer or paid any attention to what the show was other than going on the title alone would have known the show was about Clint and Kate. This 'bait and switch' mantra you neckbeards are shouting is such a non-argument.
@@Paraludic It was the same with Masters of the Universe: Revelations. It's not the Clint Barton show, it's called Hawkeye. Just like it wasn't the He-Man show.
Clint has been in every single episode. He kicked all kinds of ass in episode 3 .. I just wish you guys would own up to the fact that this critique comes from a place of insecurity in your own manhood. The show is called Hawkeye because Clint is Hawkeye, and whether you like it or not, Kate bishop on the comics is Hawkeye. The show is called Hawkeye and both the central characters are Hawkeye, there’s no bait and switch, just your own insecurity.
Jeremy Renner is awesome. He's turning the shitty writing and material to respectable trash. This show was never going to be what it should have been because it's owned by the mouse.
I'm a bit dissapointed, as much as I love the Fraction run, that Clint is not the true protagonist. I wanted to see his origin and watch him being a teacher and leader, not a grumpy oldman.
The Mouse has nothing to do with any of the marvel content. And the content is as good now as it always has been, Renner is great but he's got great material to work with because marvel delivers
Can we please stop having 130 pound actresses in action roles in which they are depicted as being capable of fighting and beating 250 pound fully grown men!!! It is beyond stupid and unrealistic. In real life the men would overpower the woman in 5 seconds flat.
@Rune Kristensen Except THIS superhero show has normal, albeit highly trained, HUMANS. No super serum. No gamma rays. No radioactive spiders. Simple physics should come into play. i.e. there's a reason boxers, wrestlers, MMA fighters, etc. are divided by weight class.
@Rune Kristensen So there’s this thing called suspension of disbelief that happens when we enjoy a piece of entertainment. We can buy into a bullshit explanation like “this serum gives this person superpowers” or “this person is super strong cause they’re from another planet” but when you set something in a more “real” representation of our world with real people then the audience is gonna expect that the rules of physics will be followed. That’s the problem here. The actress is barely 130 pounds and is supposed to be a normal person. A very athletic normal person but a normal person regardless. In a realistic scenario a woman who weight 130 pounds would get absolutely pulverized by a guy who weighs literally double her weight. Most fit men can benchpress 130 pounds. Seeing stupid shit like this completely breaks immersion and ruins the stakes in the show. I mean give her a gun and have her shot the people. Someone’s weight and strength doesn’t really matter when shooting someone but don’t show her able to beat like 10 fully grown men. In reality if she tried that she’d be dead.
@Rune Kristensen I feel like someone has a fetish for seeing little girls beat up big strong guys and is just trying to find an excuse to justify it. News flash, superheroes aren’t actually real. We buy into stupid shit like this when it’s fantastical because the genre is “fantasy”. When they make it more grounded and realistic like the did with Hawkeye then the audience will subconsciously expect a greater degree of “realism” and in reality a little girl can’t beat up fully grown men. They could’ve just given her like some fucking superpowers or something and then explain it that way. That would’ve been more believable in a show like this!
It ended at Endgame hence the name, anything else is just extra, so I don't feel tied to the franchise too much, I'll just rewatch the first three phases.
Marvel have adapted content to either shows and movies in light of launching the D+ service and the following pandemic. Some decisions will miss the mark but overall, they are a billion dollar corporation that surely don’t mind some ideas “failing”.
Dear Disney: SAM WILSON IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE CAPTAIN AMERICA!!! That title belongs to Steve alone. Speaking of which...at the end of Endgame...why the hell didnt he give the shield to Bucky, his best friend for 90 years, instead of a guy with a wingsuit he met jogging?
I think and I really am just speculating trying to understand this fact. I think it’s because there might actually have been a split in the timeline where when he did go back and lived a life with Peggy he could’ve gave it to Bucky instead there. This would make disneys choice better ig but then the hole in this theory is how Steve came back to the original timeline then. I’m just theorizing here and what likely happened was “OMG guys guess what how about we have captain America BLACK for diversity 😊”.
It has gotten to the point where we have people calling everything “woke” and “SJW” even when it was no SJW influence at all. Kate Bishop wasn’t a Mary Sue; she got her ass kicked in almost every fight. Hawkeye wasn’t treated like an idiot and in fact this is probably the best we have seen the character. The problem is that these “critics” watch the trailers or the firsts two episodes and declare it to be “woke propaganda” because calling stuff “woke” sells just as good as calling stuff “racist”.
@@jmart1393 I mean as someone whos trained martial arts my whole life, if youre a Judo black belt youre practically a God on the feet. That simple. If youre not against guns at range than you're fucking up most people who are untrained. That simple.
@@jessicaluk74 he's been our MCU hawkeye but Kate bishop is literally hawkeye in the comics that are the source of all this. You don't have to like it but the whole "hawkeye isn't even in his own show" line is moronic since that's also kate
I think everyone over reacting.. Kate ain't Captain Marvel or Rey Skywalker.. She not all powerful or so full of herself and knows absolutely everything there is to know about everything. She's not showing up Clint.. She very respectful and she's always trying to get Clint to train her or teach her something..
The biggest problem is Disney keeps inundating us. Nothing to look forward to. Build up anticipation for series or movie. They just keep regurgitating these shows to fast
The first episode of the show called Hawkeye worked to introduce Kate Bishop, y'know Hawkeye. It also worked to establish what Clint's up to as well and charts how these characters cross paths. What is so hard to understand about that basic narrative stricture? Seriously, because a lot of these heavily right-leaning 'fans' seem genuinely baffled by it.
I think the problem is that the show is called Hawkeye. Like when I buy a cheeseburger but it’s just bun and a post it with the word burger written on it. Sure I’ll eat it. But it doesn’t go down that well.
@@goth_ross That analogy only works if you ignore all the posters on the way to.the ship advertising that as being what you'd get. You don't need to like it, but don't be surprised that's what a burger there looks like.
Every single one of their shows is a 'bait and switch' or subverting expectations. General audiences are tired of this crap and it's really only the Marvel 'Stans' watching at this point.
If this show would have follow Clint, I would have gladly pay for my subscription. But Disney offer us new character who did not even deserve to be pirated.
@@MichaelAChristian1 wrong no one is watching "Hawkeye" for Kate Bitchup. In fact no one is watching anything woke these days hence all the box office bombs and the failed feminist shit Seth Rogan cooked up "SantaInc".
@@spndusk2362 How is Hawkeye woke so far?? But I don't really care about Hawkeye though. So maybe you are big Hawkeye fan and thought the trailer was saying it was something different. It like buying Mgs2 and getting Raiden I guess. I'd rather have Kate though.
This man is so triggered by SJW's that he himself is becoming one. My guy called this movie terrible after a couple episodes then goes and calls it great in a livestream once it's done. What is this guys issue
Idk man I agree that marvel are overdoing it with the female characters, I hated Taskmaster, and Captain Marvel, they felt forced. But I really enjoyed this show so far and I love the Kate Bishop character in the show. I think you're being too harsh.
Being a huge fan of the two main stars, this is actually very sad. Fantastic actors. For those who do not know already, Hailee is the voice of Vi' in Arcane, so not a totally bad month for her ;)
YO FOR REAL?! She's Vi?! ... Holy shit, I already liked her since she was good in Bumblebee but that just elevates her to a whole new level because the voice acting was beyond top notch in Arcane.
The actor can`t really do much about the material he/she gets to work with. And you can't blame an actor for taking a job since it is a job. And yeah, with Arcane she really hit the mark, as in: great show, and she did really good as a voice actor
@@MercuryAlphaInc watch her first role in true grit, she did an amazing job in it. She's a great actress, she just unfortunately doesn't get roles that get a chance to showcase it much.
@@fiction5559 I only discovered this yesterday after watching Into the Spider-verse again... This young lady's been flying under my radar like a stealthbomber even though she's a great actress... I'll be keeping it in mind when I see her name pop up somewhere.
Daredevil season 1 on Netflix was FANTASTIC! 👏👏😍 You can bet that if Daredevil comes to Disney/Marvel, we won't have anywhere the same level of quality. 😒
Ya know people always say season 1 and 3 is a masterpiece in story telling and season 2 isnt as good but really great nonetheless. And those people are right haha. That was it....go watch it if you havent
It's not just these films. It's been going on in TV shows for quite awhile now as well. Just look at some of the female team members on the original "NCIS". One was explained away because she was a Mossad agent, another was explained because she grew up with brothers. Like that bends the laws of physics.
I wouldn’t call it a flop. It’s actually one of the better shows out of the 5 we’ve gotten. I really hate that people treat this show as if it’s woke. It’s not.
Seriously, it's really not. People are saying it's woke cause... kate is a girl? Literally the series never points it out or even mentions it. She's just doing her shit and happens to be a gal, but i guess people are too pressed about it
This is bullshit. Hawkeye is good. Episode 4 just dropped and it was damn good. I'm sold on the MCU Kate Bishop. She reminds me of The Gilmore Girls, with her stupid optimistic smile, and she hilarious when she can bounce off a straight man like Cliff Hawkeye.
Sometimes it seems like Nerdrotic dislikes anything with women in it just because there are women in it. This isn’t she-mcu. Bishop isn’t a perfect character and is learning from Barton through the show.
It's more like the actor is giving her all and making it work , could you imagine Brie Larson type actress in the roll. Nerdrotic is more dissapointed at the sidelining of Hawkeye in a show quite literally called Hawkeye. His character yes is used as a mentor to Kate but Clint doesn't have the same character development as Tony stark did when he mentored Peter Parker thus less satisfying when he gives up the role of Hawkeye when we the audience never never got to see the full potential of Clint as Hawkeye.
Please keep in mind that the Vulture and his Damage Control were cleaning up after the Chitauri attack, and he sold the goods on the black market. The Avengers didn't "leave everything behind," the crew responsible was crooked.
Daredevil begins with Matt asking for forgiveness and beating the thugs Jessica Jones begins with Jessica Jones doing her P.I stuff whereas Hawkeye begins with the character who is going to replace him (3rd Episode was better than the first 2)
We needed a gritty show that would've cemented Clint as the MCU's John Wick. Sucks that that ain't happening. Jeremy Renner is great in this, but the writing is awful and they're trying their hardest to ruin Hawkeye.
@@christmasgoomba1460 There are some bad comics so I don't know about that. I never read it but Hawkeye is pretty good so far. I knew it was about Kate so I don't know who thought it would be a solo Hawkeye adventure when he was retired in movies.
Disney should follow the path of Lord of the Rings and get an army of Marvel nerds as consultants. AT least that will get something close to what the fans want as an end product. And 100% agree, this bait and switch and identity politics on steroid agenda is going to ruin Disney+ and Marvel, unless they can just get back to telling good stories on the screen.
Maybe I'm in the minority here but I've really enjoyed this series thus far (on episode 5). Disney was pretty upfront with what the show was going to be about so I really don't see an issue with it. Even if they are moving more towards an M-She-U scenario at least they are still more or less sticking to an already established cannon of females taking the mantle of this or that. There also has not been any part in the story yet that pushes how awesome or more amazing Kate is than Clint. He's still the major bad@ss of the series and more often than not ends up having to save/help her out of whatever mess she has gotten herself into. I know the bar is set pretty low using the Star Wars Sequels & MOTU Revelations as the standard but compared to how those portrayed women with power to the men Hawkeye as a series could almost be called Hyper Masculine. Out of all the Disney Plus MCU series this is the one that I have enjoyed the most.
Yeah, the show is pretty good. And Hawkeye is definitely featured more than enough. I don't consider it the Kate Bishop show at all. And yeah, of course you're the minority on a channel like this.
to me the only problem is that there feels like there are no stakes. you would expect a character to be at least a little bit scared that theyre being hunted down but shes completely fearless when her life is on the line and she has literally no experience so it makes no sense, unless the characters completely insane which i doubt
“Hawkeye” is abysmal. Episode 3, the woke writers were sure to include a female, Native American, deaf, physically handicapped antagonist, portrayed in school with numerous races and a Muslim teacher. And that eclipses any effort put into writing a compelling or interesting story as long as all those boxes are checked. WHY is Clint even in NYC to see a play that’s inconsistent with his character “remaining under the radar”? Wouldn’t an Avenger at an Avenger play draw attention? It’s set at Christmas but the music feels out of place. Clint is a freaking assassin Avenger and barely makes it through a fight with the female antagonist. The dialogue is terrible. It’s so bad and depressing.
@@agenttronster6373 If the actors need to continually explain things, the writing is poor and that takes place "literally in this scene!" (Please note the exclamation point, as that makes me right)
Keep in mind Hawkeye lost to Black Widow in the first Avengers movie, and the two fought to a stand still in the Civil War movie. I think the primary intention of Hawkeye struggling with Echo's fight was to show she's in the realm of Black Widow in fighting ability.
I thought the first three episodes of Hawkeye were pretty good. I do like Kate so far. She's *not* a Mary-Sue. Yet. But I did ideally want that "hard, gritty, violent, Clint Barton" show in the vein of the Bourne movies. Now I'm sad. lol
It's not Netflix marvel, it's MCU No way it wouldn't be PG-13, it has to be. And if Kate Bishop isn't a Mary Sue now, she can't become one later. That's not how being a Mary Sue works. If she's got ability & it's clearly defined how she has it and how much she worked for it, she can't be a Mary Sue however much idiots like Gary want her to be
@@ChildOfTheWilderness I see you have no idea how Mary Sues work. If she suddenly starts having everything work out for her and she's capable of doing things far beyond her capabilities while being praised as the bestest EVAR than she certainly can become a Mary Sue. But whatever dude, you're just here to be a jack wagon and high five yourself.
To be fair on the stock price front, everything has been tanking since last Friday, so its hard to tell what the effect of subscriber news would have been in a "normal" market. Disclosure: I sold all my $DIS after Endgame and will not consider holding again without some major changes. As a fan I hope it tanks to the point they make them.
The important thing you're failing to mention is that Kate Bishop BECOMES hawkeye, it's a title, that goes from Clint to Kate, this is effectively the hawkeye show, talking about both their stories while establishing Kate (among other characters) in the MCU
@@Kay0Bot Hawkeye is also her name in the comics, if you want to blame anyone for that, don't blame the show. Also, it's not lazy, it's a title that both use, probably to illustrate some stuff in the comics,,, no-one is calling the writers of Miles Morales lazy because he's also called spider-man
- Daredevil was so awesome. Just imagining if they had gone that kind of badass route with Moon Knight instead of making him a pathetic bitch with a way more competent wahmen rescuing him is heartbreaking. Its actually kind of impressive that they could take that character and make him so pathetic, like it took work to take his character from the comics and make him an inept bitch.
I love Hawkeye... and Kate Bishop , the way she is inspired by Hawkeye... I just loved it. I don't get this video, because the show was called Hawkeye and there have been two Hawkeye's for years now. Hailee Steinfeld is doing a fantastic job as Kate.
Disney and marvel need to realise they are there to entertain kids ( and some old timers that enjoyed comics) not to educate kids in their woke nonsense. And teachers need to realise that they are there to educate kids. Not indoctrinate them into teachers sexuality for the teachers perverse entertainment.
I like it. And even if it is the Kate Bishop show, she loves Hawkeye and is definitely not infallible or a Mary Sue, she's even less skilled than Hawkeye and that's clearly demonstrated. If you have to pass the bow so to speak, this is a good way to do it. I mean, Hawkeye is aging and is basically just trying to tie up loose ends so he can retire and spend time with his family and Bishop sort of bumbles her way into it, as she seems prone to do. Overall a good sendoff to Hawkeye, much better than Luke Skywalker got.
@michael stewart. This Kate Bishop show is just a more palative method to replace Hawkeye slowly but is still the affirmative action replacement of male characters that have existed for 40yr to 80yrs without needing replacement because they are traditional male characters of Comics. Revisionism requires a feminine presence. Marketing is merely attempting another tactic to minimize the disenfranchisement of its customer base. No reason for Kate other than political narrative agenda. Very little story developed is occurring but the transition to eliminate masculine characters is real. Just move along little man and go play with your toys. No joy for you here today!
@@TheaterPup I deny myself nothing of value. Comic book and pulp fiction is cannon that I can choose to read from my personal stores forever. I did not depend on your male repressed fiction or revisionism. I've experienced the original and do not need to experience further male oppression. I will not accept twisted definitions as anything other than the truth that they are. They are Feminist affirmative action anti male bias. Why are writers so lazy to destroy Cannon when they could have merely created new value. They are working with a narrative that includes devisive Marxist falsehoods. Originally, decades long Amazonian tribalism created a tribe is a reality that exist to this day which inspired a wonderfully creative Comic Wonder Woman and Icon. Still a fiction, but powerful, creative and thought provoking. Wonder Woman is her own story and didn't destroy but added to Comic creativity. You choose your fiction and I'll observe the reality of your oppressive choices. Just don't expect others to swallow!
@@TheaterPup Culture is the only Victim from this Oppressive malevolence directed against males. Let the public acceptance or refusal of your facade of values be the determining verdict. I'm just one less consumer of disguised woke fiction not buying the tightening noose of marginalization. You should continue following your compadre over the lemming cliff of indoctrination. I won't be following, but you apparently will have lots of company!
Watched the first 2 episodes... and it's fine. Nothing to get your panties in twist about, nothing really to praise, except I do appreciate they gave her a backstory where she worked hard to become skilled, it wasn't just inherent, that she struggles and fails at things, learns and grows. Honestly, what I expect from an actual character at her level. Still on board to see how it progresses.
I very much agree. I was very glad to see that even though she knows how to fight she has no real practical experience and she comes off as clumsy. I think the series does suffer from the same thing as most of the Disney+ MCU series - that once they’re over you don’t really ever need to revisit them again. I think this series will be fine but when people are done with it they’re not gonna go back.
Yeah, she just didn't put on a costume of a man who trained for years to be the best there is and have that costume somehow miraculously give her all that hero's powers and abilities. Hawkeye is a low key hero with Clint being a quiet guy who doesn't want to be noticed. Kate wants to be a noticeable hero. I really get early Batman and Robin vibes from the two. If only it wasn't so woke and poorly written and plotted. Still, I think the best of all the shows.
The show doesn't suck, doesn't flop. I like it because I'm also familiar with Living Weapon. That comic arc was really good and I think the show lives up to it.
@@raymondk6721 Loki is a far more popular character. Of course it would have more viewers. Loki is one of marvels most popular characters. Such a silly comparison. It still got over a million views. That’s huge. It didn’t flop. It’s doing fine. Stop looking for things to suit your stupid little narrative.
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Honestly, the best thing in the show by a country mile is the fact that Hawkeye is just tired of everything and just wants to get home for Christmas
And Kingpin ;) just not what they did with him. Lazy writing, or just bad bad writing, I was almost crying at how bad it was!
@@jacktihs2963 Yes... that was annoying. He got hold of her and do what? Throw her away so she can get some range to do her things?!? Stupid. he would just strangle her or break her arms and legs, or hit her to the ground stumping her. RIP Kate Bishop!
The battle beetween daredevil and Kingpin... that was something else!
n word
@@SmurfKenny kingpin from the Netflix show would have killed Echo with one punch. Kate bishop with an open palm slap. Matthew survived because he has a high pain tolerance. That’s like his main superpower. He can take a hell of a beating and keep going.
@@jacktihs2963 i agree, how she is about 60lb dripping wet, having seen the new Batman movie, how they shot the fight between Batman and Catwoman, she threw herself at Batman and bounced off him. as it should be. Kingpin hit Daredevil and he went thru walls, but you want me to except that Kate can go toe to toe with Kingpin?? no chance man.. even in England (UK) we know how life works... whats worse you know if Hawkeye went toe to toe with Kingpin, he would of been smashed to bits, they even had Kate shoot him with an arrow, close range and Kingpin brushed it off.. dont know why they are doing this, probably cus of Amber Turd.. maybe..
Feige said "number of female superheroes will outnumber the male superheroes".... Actually there will come a point that "the number of female superheroes will outnumber the viewers".
Damnnnnnn! 😅
THIS NEEDS TO BE THE TOP VOTED COMMENT
Hahaha, epic comment!
Nice name.
You really hate women lmao
Something no one mentions about this show that was so absurd -
No police anywhere in NYC. A gun shootout featuring dozens of known criminals firing guns for 10 minutes in Rockefeller Center, and not a single cop shows up until the whole battle is over. There are cops all over Rockefeller Center on any given day, let alone Christmas season. And they are never more than a few blocks away in midtown Manhattan. Were they all on Xmas vacay?
It's a TV show about superheroes..... you believe cop response time is the same for a TV show about people with super powers. Are you a child?
@@abshackleford ironic since there are no superpowered beings in this series unless you count kingpins body size as one
Defunded.
Kingpin owns the police he wouldn't want them around when he was reminding the people who the city belongs to.
Sorry DeBlasio defunded the NYPD and let the Track Suit Mafia out with no bond.. Call a social worker
I really feel Hawkeye deserved his own show
Hell, Hawkeye deserve so much better than getting *his* show underperformed.
Hawkeye (Clint Barton) show should have started from earlier times with Black Widow and maybe Budapest and SHIELD missions they were part of before Avengers. That would have been wayyyy better.
Way better. Literally anything would have been better. But no. They can't do it. They just can't make a good D+ show that the actual fans would love. Fucks sake lol
But it would’ve been harder to insert “the message”.
They should have made a show with Hawkeye and Black widow about their past adventures
@@peterb5235 That idea sucks, this show was good
@@Demsky83 Are you gonna whine "MESSAGE" anytime you see a woman?
“If Queen made a bad album, no one would buy it. Not even my mom.” - Freddie Mercury
That's an interesting non sequitur. I'm guessing Freddie's mom never picked up a copy of Hot Space or as I call it Hot Shite.
@@catsofsherman1316 Lol Maybe Freddie’s mom bought it in the bargain bin. As a huge Queen, I dislike Hot Space quite a bit. Its saving grace was Under Pressure and Calling All Girls. But Mercury (and John Deacon) were very proud of the album, thinking it was ahead of its time. As for Brian and especially Roger, their distain for it has been stated numerous times. And shockingly, it was fairly well-received by most critics.
It most certainly didn’t flop, it did the same numbers as every other D+ show that isn’t Loki. Loki being a massive success.
Either way, it’s clear you haven’t watched the show.
SHOW MUST GO OOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNN
@@catsofsherman1316 I know a lot of people didn't like it, but I really like Hot Space. Tastes vary.
As a big fan of the original Hawkeye, you can imagine my excitement, when I heard about the Hawkeye series. And you can imagine my disappointment, when the first trailer cane out, and I knew immediately, that it was gonna be all about kate, yelena, and maya. The whole thing was a big middle finger to all the male characters.
And are they really trying to tell us that a kid managed to beat Kingping himself on the first try? Yeah, no.
My man Clint deserved better. :(
Are you that scared of women?
Oh, and Kate used super advanced SHIELD weapons.
@@ShadowSonic2 Speaking for myself, "scared" - fuck no. I am, however, repulsed by combative, masculine, disagreeable women anywhere in the world, real or reel. Perhaps you're drawn to them, aren't you fella?
@@ShadowSonic2 woketard troll found
That’s exactly how I felt!! Huge fan of Jeremy Renner’s Hawkeye and had such high hopes… I agree, definitely a middle finger
@@ShadowSonic2Lol you guys are so dumb really this series is called Hawkeye for a reason we want to see Hawkeye
I think you may have single-handedly cost Disney more than a billion dollars. I applaud you sir.
He hasn't. His channel is useless
@@borgchap1191 channels like these are the reason many people don't waste their money on crappy films, and get inspired to write their own stories.
You may think not, but they are really good for the entertainment industry.
I honestly wanted to see what how Clint dealt with being Ronin for 5 years and the loss of Black widow.
How would he start relating with the outside world now that his anchor(his family is back) how does that 5 years affect him, how does it affect his relationship with his family
The season is only halfway through and those things habe already been alluded to. I'd be pretty surprised if the series didn't dig deeper into any if that.
@@Paraludic lmao eluded too, that should be the basis of the show
I don't think people grasp who exactly Ronin was and what he did, actions have consequences, 5 years of your life should have repercussions
They are not going to dig deeper into this
@@anjolatope-babalola2338 Do you have the scripts for the next half of the season to base that nonsense take on? No?
I don't know why you're trying to laugh off the clear story beats that Clint is troubled by his past. He wants to gibe up the hero stuff to be with the family, and his reaction to watching the Broadway show shows he's deeply effected by his friend's death.
Now people know Ronin is back, he's already been forced to deal with the consequences of his past, namely Maya, who's father was killed by him.
If there's anything else I can ealk you through just let me know.
@@Paraludic It goes both ways, do you have the scripts for the next half of the season to base your theory on.
Lmao, in story telling , they tell you to show and not tell, we have had about 15 min of screen time with him and his family, and him trying to get the suit is not dealing with the consequences of being Ronin, Having bits and pieces is not the same thing as having yeh a how based on that singular concept.
like I said people do not understand the concept of Ronin, or what he did , he decimated the criminal underworld, lmao, that takes a toll on you, and we have not been shown the effects it had on him, he still seems to be the same guy. There should be far more consequences for what he did, than echo chasing down her father killer.
I don't know why you are arguing with me, if you like the show good for you, I want a show based on the concept of him dealing with Ronin and the effect of the blip, this show is not based of that, Kate is the driving force of this show, not a bad concept, although yeh execution is not perfect, but it's not the concept I want
Damn
@@anjolatope-babalola2338 I said I'd be surprised if jt didn't because of how the first few episodes have already touched upon that subject.
You've just shot yourself in the foot there and don't have anything else to stand on...
Marvel's best days are LONG behind them.
Yup. It's about making money now not a good story.
No and no.
Spiderman!
@@MichaelAChristian1 will never live up to the hype.
@@GinNBoost Yeah right! That's why you had to change your comment that it would suck! They weren't going to show ANY trailer. The LEAKS ruined all those surprises. Let that sink in. Gonna sell out.
If Walt could see what's happened to his company he'd pull the plug on the freezer !
This is what happens when you put power into the hands of ppl who have no reverence for these characters
Just like Ironfist, men step aside for the woman to take over their title because they are so much better.
Vera Farmiga's talent is wasted in this show.
After Iron Fist I checked out of the Marvel TV shows. I knew these were not made for me.
So.
You didn’t watch either show.
@@Dragonage2ftw yes we all did and we all know it's complete garbage .
Hawkeye is shown to be better than her though?
to be fair, Iron Fish was the worst thing in his own show... can't really blame them for letting the iron chick be lead. she was the only reason to watch the show...
Perfectly summed up: I don’t dislike the actors, just the characters/story
It seems it's today's strategy. People are not liking our movies. Call them sexists and only focus on that. It's the Kathleen Kennedy approac of producingh. It's actively rewarded instead of being criticised at Disney.
Appealing a story for the most people is bland at the end. Look at McDonald's french fries. They are the same worldwide and hardly differ. The revenue is there. Just don't expect anything amazing for success anymore.
Problem is his criticisms are flat out wrong and just stemming from an anti SJW hate boner.
He’s saying it’s woke, but how exactly? Kate Bishop is a girl and she’s a lead? That’s not woke. He just can’t handle a female being a lead.
And before he says “uh I like 4 female leads from 40 years ago,” let me ask you this: How is this show woke? In what way is it woke besides Kate Bishop being a girl? If you’re only fucking problem is that she’s a woman, the problem isn’t the writing. It’s you
It also helps that Gary is just a transphobic POS and I would not be surprised if he was sexist too. He makes fun of trans people on his streams with Jeremy and Ryan and when a trans man says his pronouns are he/him, he proceeds to chant “you’re still a woman” and rant about how “you’ll never become a man”
Wow. The leftist above me is just stuffed full of anger.
Calm your roll my dude. You can't be tr@nzf0bic, they don't exist. It's called g3nder dyzph0ri@, and because I have to say it like that you know I'm right. No need to censor liers after all.
@@Zathren
You’re seriously going to say the term transphobic isn’t correct. The dictionary definition of transphobia is “discrimination against transgender people”
That’s exactly what Gary did. What’s the difference?
And yes I’m fucking mad. Because Gary is a shit human being who can’t let go of his ego
Maybe I’m odd man out, but I am enjoying Hawkeye. Kate is not coming across as a Mary Sue as we saw her practice, she is coming across as a Hawkeye fan girl. Which she is.
Yea, I agree. Under the "M-she-U" theory, she'd come in just as strong, capable, and heroic as Clint, and she definitely doesn't. She makes mistakes and she often admits that she doesn't know everything, particularly when she's with Clint. I'm actually enjoying it 🤷🏻
Nope, I'm with you too, brother.. It's a good show. I'm very much liking the "buddy movie" thing going on with Kate and Clint.. And we ALL know that "buddy movies" have the young, cocky, brash,, over-confident one who fucks up (which is Kate), and the more calm, stable, experienced hand who tries to rein them in a bit (which is Clint).. Some people can't stand that it's a girl doing the "brash, young, cocky" thing...
You are not odd. This page hates everything just for views. The arguments they make to try and make this show bad are laughable.
@@kingoffriesthekingwillrise1701 Well said mate. While the show is certainly not perfect (but then, what show is?), it's entertaining and fun enough with some really good and appealing actors doing the thing that they're good at. and sometimes that's just what you need .
@@kingoffriesthekingwillrise1701 gotta get those clicks and if getting teenage boys mad that girls are also heroes then more clicks
20:32 it’s shown in homecoming that there are people that clean up superhero messes and there are also people who take advantage from it like the vulture
Exactly
All shows are now written and edited by 8th graders.
That “Sprite slap” was awesome and well deserved.
I need the source.
No, it wasn’t.
@@SomeDigitalGhost just look up the slap it's an Aussie thing lol
@@Dragonage2ftw you seem to be out voted.
😆😆😆
Having grown up with shows like Star Trek The Next Generation, I just can't stand these filler shows that seem to be the norm now. Tales that could be told in a third of the time are dragged out and stuffed full of filler and set-up for future shows that in turn contain more filler.
Well... but then they have to come up with ideas. And that's like... hard, man.
agree 100%. I'm also a TNG guy and I recall episodes having infinitely more compelling and thoughtful stories in the 45-minute runtime than in any of the disney series in total.
You clearly have a selective memory, there were literally TONS of "filler trash" in the 90s.... It sure as hell wasn't all TNG, X-Files and Babylon 5...
Then you get shot like FEAR the walking dead. Who rush the entire premise in a couple of episodes.
Yep, know what you mean. Yellowstone is doing that. Everything is exposition for the spin offs coming, and because of this, I just lost interest in it.
The plot holes and plot convenience lost me in this series. I understand it's Marvel, but many of the fights scenes were just straight up goofy.
But it's the best Disney + marvel show so far...oof
Especially the finale. Bullets, explosions falling trees but no cops🤷🏾♂️
The Wheel of Time books readers are feeling the 'updated for a modern audience' changes with their show too.
Yes indeed! I started the series 20 years ago.... And had high hopes for the TV adaptation. So far, it's nothing but a diversity fest. Literally no one cast matches the appearance, or even the personality of the Robert Jordan books. 🤷♂️
That's not a Wheel of Time show.
@@yikesvikes is the storyline in sync with the books? Like the man hating red aesadie or whatsoever they are called, also does the book also have that men can use the source garbage? Please if you have the time please answer, I really wanna like the show but I hate anything with a touch of sjw, efininism aka misandry, woke postmodernist, neo-marxist critical theory bs! only reason am still watching is to judge if they are just plot tropes and not core messages of the story.
Yes, the reds hate men, and yes. Men who could touch/use the male side of the source were hunted and "gentled".... If you watch the "extras" videos, they do a better job filling in some of the blanks.... However, as I Mentioned, the appearance and personalities of the characters are different than in the books. Lan, for example, was not Asian. The girl whose name begins with an "N", who was the village Wisdom, wasn't black. The girl who plays Rand's love interest wasn't Indian. The kid who plays Perrin (The blacksmith) wasn't black, and not only was he not married, he was painfully shy around girls (Remember, they started out as kids in their late teens in the books). .... Logain was captured, and eventually gentled, but I believe somehow regained his abilities (I could be wrong - the first books were written 20+ years ago) ....
@@yikesvikes thanks bro! that means it's all plot so I will keep watching, having multiple races doesn't bother me as long as they are good and not pushing any further ideology or being preachy, so thanks again for the response.
I agree with most of what you said. However, may be because they actually treated Hawkeye with respect, I felt like it was a huge improvement over Loki and Falcon and Wintersoldier.
Your right no doubt but don't say that to any of the girls you know. They would most likely call you sexist and racist and dumb
True. It’s sad when we are just taking what we can get though.
and he is a straight white man lead. there were no black people trying to get in on it
@@OfficialTaskMaster The problem with Loki was the whole time they degenerating the character and female Loki was of course the best most powerful version of the character.
@@OfficialTaskMaster bruh the main character of the show became lady loki, and she was shown to be the most powerful, so I don't know what your'e blabbering on about
FYI. Recurve and compound bows go by draw weight , usually marketed child’s , womens, and mens. One is almost the same as kids. Girl Hawkeye can only shoot 18 yards with practice tips. Explosives tips probably hit the ground at 5.
wash your mouth. My recurve, 46 libras, shoots straight with wood artisanal arrrows at 20 mts.
And?
@Rune Kristensen I am stating facts. Unless some sort of actual super power was bestowed upon her, she is as strong as a typical 10 th grade girl.
@@babsgalv6556 And that conversion is 20 yards ? Grew up shooting both options , but always loved recurves. Both my young daughters have their own. Unless some captain marvel lucky situation, no way a 90lbs girl could actually be Hawkeye. Just pure stupidity.
@@shade38211 theres plenty of ways to make what she whata to do plausible. But the writers are just too lazy to work on it.
Thank you for telling me how absurdly pointless this show is. You saved me a ton of wasted time
So you're gonna take all advice from some dude on the internet rather than forming your own opinions? Gotcha.
The show is good you sheep.
Marvel will regret a lot for losing such a big client like you. We will all miss you
Read some of the top rated comments, Gary is wrong on this one
Good on ya, watched the show and left with low expectations for every show I'll ever watch because that's how bad Hawkeye was.
Ah, I knew there was something about Kelly SUUUUUE's comment at the start that's always bugged me: If I'm not a fan of your politics, of course I'm not going to buy your books. That used to be the baseline back in the day. So, she assumes the only thing stopping people from enjoying her self-prescribed works is your politics.
Jk rowling be like your argument is invalid😂
@@pyromaniac709 But Rowling’s comments are highly mainstream? And she’s not pushing them, but rather simply not bending the knee
Some write their politics, some question it; some write what they know, some try to reach the other side. All are welcome, all are useful, interesting and necessary.
Many "liberal" authors don't seem to get this anymore. Neither do their publishers or many of their readers. About the only ones who appreciate pluralism and individuality anymore, surprisingly, are dyed-in-the-wool conservatives.
Interesting shift we're going through-- liberals becoming more conservative, conservatives becoming more liberal; progressives and independents towing the line, doing the heavy lifting, waiting for the others to get their heads on straight.
Daredevil was the best superhero show ever.
The old Disney use to have traditional family values, no one was marginalized. Now, if you are a male? It's problematic because now it's fashionable to turn the patriarchy within the family into a Homer Simpson or Peter Griffin.
As far as Hawkeye goes, it's whatever I'm not interested because Gary is describing it as I imagined it would be, awful. Only hope I have for Marvel is Spider-Man, got my IMAX ticket and my fingers crossed. C'mon Sony, don't fuck it up!
oh i lost hope for spider man a long time ago.
Oh, come on. The only "family values" Disney has cared about is how much money they can squeeze out of families.
So, you don't watch it. You listen to a race baiters tell you want to watch. How cute
Spider-Man will be woke for sure. Just watching the trailers was a huge red flag for me. but have fun.
@@adrianseidelman7940 how is it woke? Oh, a black character is in it. Oh my. One of the 6 villains is black.
Ppl always start crying when a female becomes a hero...Kate Bishop actually takes over in the comics, plus think of Jeremy Renner, no actor wants to do the same role for years. Let the man go spend time with his daughter, damn!!
Not only that, but actors who play these roles age, unlike in the comics. Renner is in his 50's. I'd say that it's probably about time for this show to be done, pass on the mantle, and show that Clint is finally going to be able to be with his family.
If that's what HE wants, then yes; but DON'T call it the Hawkeye show and mislead fans of *Hawkeye* the man (not the future female version). Has Renner said anything about wanting to quit this role? It's the role of a lifetime. Do you think he's got enough star power e.g. like a Stallone or an Arnie, to walk away from a superhero role? Did Christopher Reeve's star continue to burn after Superman? Did Tobey Maguire's after Spider-Man? From what I've seen of the man in interviews, Renner has his head firmly screwed on and knows that Hawkeye is his career role; and he's going to want to keep on playing it like Shatner played Kirk.
@@KeldorDAntrell ur talking about nothing...I can chop everything u jus said down wit this. The show is called Hawkeye, is it called, Clint Bartons Hawkeye? Guess wat Kate Bishop is also called in the comic books, Hawkeye. And unless u talked to Jeremy Renner, u don't kno if he wanna continue to play one role, he's in his 50s and not every actor wants to play the same role. Chris Evans is even leaving, and he's younger. But because ur a fanboy, does that mean he should still be captain America?
@@KeldorDAntrell oh and, yes, Jeremy Renner has many movies, so if u only Kno him from Hawkeye, then u haven't seen his best work
@@KeldorDAntrell Jeremy Renner is an Oscar nominated actor. His show Mayor of Kingstown is fantastic. I don’t think he’s hurting for work.
Female heroes ....Storm the series where she fights Callisto X-men 170 and the aftermath that made her shave her head....That story hit home with me 30 years ago. She has been so "diminished" by every single person that has tried to put her on any screen...That story still effects me. I can relate to it in many ways. Don't need to make male heroes into female heroes. Tell the story of the female heroes that have substance. Wanna female villain with substance...try Callisto
X-Men had some solid female characters. Not just Storm, but also Jean Grey (and I wish hacks would stop trying to make the Phoenix arc into movies), Kitty Pride, and Moira McTaggart. Pre-Disney MCU had good female characters, too, in Pepper Pots, Black Widow, and Scarlet Witch. Then Disney comes along and turns all of the deep, complex characters into cartoon stereotypes.
Which is ironic, because all of their live action remake$ have been turning complex animated characters into cartoonish live action characters for a decade now. Seriously, fuck Disney.
@@Maria_Erias Rogue was my favorite among the X-Men
@Rune Kristensen True. Maybe I should have said "before Disney started sticking their greedy mouse fingers into the MCU".
Nah.
Marvel is good, incel.
@@Dragonage2ftw LOL!
It’s a shame too cause I actually love Hawkeye in the movies but the show though, yikes.
He was my favorite Avenger and deserved better than this.
@@spndusk2362 YES, FINALLY SOMEONE IS OPENING THERE MIND HOW SHITTY BORING THIS SERIES IS
There’s been a consistent pattern of lightly crapping on Steve Rogers in just about every show and movie since Endgame. It’s pissing me off. You don’t need to deconstruct him, and you don’t need to tear him down just to make Sam look good. In fact, I was pretty happy with Sam being Cap, but now I’m starting to change my mind because of all of that. 😡
And how tf are they crapping at him? Just because he is called Steve Rogers? So they aren't allowed to call him by his own name? Also they are tributing him in No Way Home
@@aviram7129 When you never, or barely ever refer to a character by their 'superhero' name, you're trying to disassociate them from that mantle altogether. It's obvious they don't want people to immediately think of Steve Rogers as ever having been 'Captain America' at this point.
@@TromaDogg If they think that then they wouldn't be erecting giant statues to honour him and btw Vision called Steve Captain Rogers in 2016's Civil War so what are you guys gonna say for that?
@@aviram7129 statues don't mean shit if it's not going to be referenced in furture scenes. They can easily show any statue of a character and it will all end there,it won't signify much.. Unlike the Name of a character. Names are powerful, Names can make or break you. Names are what makes us who we are,they are the foundation of identity,removing it is basically removing who you are and what you represent.
So them trying to ignore Steve being the OG Cap by not referencing his Superhero name is simply discrediting him. Plain and simple.
Oh and Vision calling Steve Captain Rogers is simply them still discrediting Steve,all of these are planned.. And if you can't see that well i can't force feed you to.
@@David_Scar "pre planned" alright buddy if you really think they are doing that then sure
It’s also a coincidence that Roan’s costume fits Kate perfectly.
On the contrivances in the episodes, don’t forget Kate coincidentally wearing clothes that make people think she’s a waitress, granting her access to and is responsible for her not being thrown out of the black market auction
Not to forget the dismal security on that auction - anyone carrying drinks or food can just enter and the guards didn't know that just one waiter was supposed to be there?
No wonder track suit idiots could get in.
not coincidentally, her mother made her wear fancy dress for the party but after seeing her mother with Jack she rebelled. Instead of wearing something feminine like a dress her mother prepared for her, she wore a man-like suit that completely the opposite.
@@theoph1932 You just proved that it IS coincidental, as she supposedly chose the same suit as the waiters, and it's not like she done it on purpose as everything was unexpected in the auction.
I've worked high events. No way stuff like this gets pulled off. The head of the co. or a high employee is always always in charge. You can't change your thoughts without any approval. They don't fuk with their clients and mess up like that
Yeah, this show is completely dumb. I oddly like that.
Every time I hear "M-She-U" I groan, because it is true and oh so depressing.
You know what's even more depressing? All the shows from WV to this, but no DD Season 4.
M-She-U: Phase Bore
And the M stands for Menstruation
Reddit trolls be like: but there is more male heroes than female so how it is mshu you bigot.
They completely missing the point. Like allways
I've never seen anyone say "M-She-U" outside of incel trolls. What the hell is that even about?
The original MCU had one female member of the team. One. After Black Widow being the only one for ages, they added a few others, all of which were mostly unimportant.
-- Gamora is a tier 2 character.
-- Wanda was given zero depth in the movies.
-- Captain Marvel was just a badly written, badly made movie.
-- Valkyrie was a tier 3 character.
-- Can't even think of any others.
And now in the Disney Plus series:
-- WandaVision definitely starred a woman and it was fantastic
-- Falcon & The Winter Soldier had no women lead characters, just a badly written female villain
-- Loki had Sylvie but this was brilliant as a self-absorbed douche like Loki would of course fall for himself.
-- Hawkeye is about attracting younger girls to the MCU and that's great, not every story must be a gritty, dark and bloody and targeted to 16-year-old boys. The more the merrier. And yet the contrast between Clint and Kate Bishop does tell us a lot more about Clint. Really loving it so far.
Seems like a lot children in here just don't like it when everything is not always made for them, all the time.
@@CharlieSoze You don't get it. Problem is not that woman is on the first plan. Problem is to empower woman you trash male characters. Or side line them. It happened with Loki. Let me remind you that this Loki was Loki from 2012. Compare his character and action from movie and then from series. It make no sense. Why they call Hawkeye show when main character is obviously that girl? Are they afraid that woman won't sell that much? I call it hipocrysy. Its just a new pattern in cinema. Woman can't be flawless, and if they are evil, it's bc some men. About Wanda. Show was good. Till last minutes when they let her go bc woman don't need to face consequences of their actions.
You don't need to have woman character, or male character to attract to something. All you need is good story and good characters. Do you know who showed me star wars? My mon and my auntie. My father hate it. Yet today Disney tell us that it was forbidden for woman to like star wars cause male character so they can't relate. Bullshit. By this analogy, alien franchise needs now male lead, cause clearly fandom is 100% woman.
@@Negative921
It's no use trying to reason with people like Charlie. They only have a set level of pre-programmed responses and are not equipped to handle actual conversation.
Dude, I tuned out of Marvel after EndGame, but even I'm scared for Disney after how all this is playing out. Pe-yew. This Stinks.
I watched loki because Tom Huddleston was in it and alligator loki is cool. That is what Disney MCU is now. You watch bits and pieces of shows where your fave actors are in it.
Yeah at this point you can't even be mad at Disney. Are you expecting something good on Disney +? Of course they're going to replace all the A list celebrities with diversity hires. It's a waste of time even covering this crap.
@@sirennoir258 Loki seemed super interesting on paper, but the show itself ended up being quite underwhelming and predictable. All the same tropes and issues that this channel has been pointing to for months (years?) now. As most of the Marvel stuff nowadays, we're talking about decent ideas with generally bad execution.
I tuned out when they used time travel in End Game. Actually walked out of the theatre.
@@markgraham5971 what a loser
Hawkeye should be called Mary Sue Bishop, not Hawkeye. This is another bait&switch.
I've got no interest in spending the next decade watching another Hawkeye, another Captain America, another Iron Man, another Black Widow, another Hulk, another Thor, another Spider-Man. Will we get a third decade after this where they continue on with all the same "mantles?"
But being here listening to Nerdwhiner i'm sure you don't like Shang-Chi neither.
@@danielbiasevich7580 i guess you're also a Nerdwhiner since you're also here huh?
@@danielbiasevich7580 Shang Chi is fucking bland and if you were a friend of mine, we would no longer see movies together if you thought it was good
Then don't.
@@CMCAdvanced good don’t need idiots ruining movies
"Counsels him a little bit on his hearing aid. Telling him to ditch it, and just rely on his senses."
She's telling him to eliminate one of his senses to rely on his senses.
What kind of sense does that make?
All the sense if you lose you mind
It's total non-sense.... I'll get my coat.
It's going on the idea that when one sense dulls, or is lost, the other senses become sharper to compensate.
That actually makes sense…
If you are watching Samurai Jack
Tbh, this is EXACTLY what I expected from Disney MCU. I had so low ecpectations that I actually was happy when I saw that Kate Bishop wasn't completely flawless but that she could make mistakes and didn't win everything and beat everybody without breaking a sweat... and I can't help feeling sad for being happy about such a minor thing since that reminds me how bad things have gotten.
It's because modern men are hypercritical whiners who hate women who aren't damsels.
@@ShadowSonic2 Wrong. Good written female characters are appreciated.
@@ShadowSonic2 Let me guess, you're a body positive feminist that doesn't identify as a gender?
@@ShadowSonic2 The problem has never been female superheroes, it's when it has to devalue or diminish superheroes of other genders, because of that it becomes problematic.
Hawkeye would have been a good show if there was more quality in the cast and also in the plot and screen time.
But it's obvious it's a low budget series below any other Marvel tv show so far.
Again most people are not concerned with adding female superheroes, they are concerned with the method in doing so.
By taking things away from the already established male characters it's not making the brand stronger but quite the reverse.
When it's possible to still have two cookies and being able to eating them it's just becomes quite obvious that Marvel doesn't understand or wants it to continue.
@@gustaf3811 When there is a winner, there must always be a loser.
Hawkeye IS a good show, it's just about the characters who matter in the long run.
The method being, making sure the women are all shrieking damsels. Anything else is "SJW".
When there is a winner, there must always be a loser.
Not when one cookie is older, had its time, and is cracking and crumbling.
It's sitting at a 90% audience score right now. Idk if you can call that a "flop."
He is a mad
lol, the pro capitalist dont know how capitalism works. They just get mad in an illogical way
I think he's basing it on viewership
I liked it
Yeah you gotta treat this channel like Fox news. Headlines are all bit hysterical to drive clicks.
When you have a main villain reminding her lackey on who is in charge, reveals more of her insecurity. That is not how you do a villain.
Maybe cuz she’s not a villain. She’s going to be an Anti Hero. She’s under the Kingpin. The Kingpin has lied to her her whole life. She’s not just a villain
Many villains do this.
Whenever we have people who don’t read the source material, we get guys like gene that doesn’t know what they’re talking about. She’s not set up to be a villain
Thanks for the correction. Echo may not be a villain, but in the M-She-U and to the extent of SJW Marvel comics, the women are written like villains.
@@imeralvarado4645 Doesn't matter if they have read the source material or not. Firstly you should be able to absorb the show on its own and understand who characters are and what their motivations are. That points to somewhat poor writing, at minimum. Secondly, his response is just typical of people within the "comicsgate" fan base. They just shit on anything that isn't what they specifically want. The people they follow may offer nuanced takes but, for them, it's all or nothing.
Your reviews of Disney MCU films/shows are 1000% more entertaining than the actual film/shows….
The defenders coming into the comments is pretty entertaining too.
@@Zathren The comments are full of either current Marvel stans or CG stans. It's a pile of cringe and shit takes on both sides.
You must have real low standards of entertainment then...
Very negative though, but I guess that entertains some people
@@Emobullymaguire Marvel stans have NO standards.
For the most part, I agree with you, but I must admit the show does a really good job of making Kate a LOT more likeable than the comics.
U must have never read fractions hawkeye or young avengers because she was awesome
The show is fun and engaging. I hated cap & falcon because it was just bad storytelling & uneven in tone. Almost none of the stuff they complain about here are the actual things wrong with the new Disney era.
Until Episode 4 where she starts acting like an insufferable know-it-all, not listening to Clint when he tells her to do something and she just does the opposite, thinking she can do what she wants because she can handle herself. Like when Tony Stark did this to Peter Parker, not only did he put him in his place and confiscate his suit, people were like "mmm-hmm", especially when Peter kept talking back. But no, here we get none of that and Hawkeye is made to look like the a-hole, especially when he tells Kate, "You're not my partner. Go home.".
Nope she is not more likeable now I actually hate her
My girlfriend and I really really dislike her.
I want a show about Clint Barton. Something that shows his past, what made him who he was, and his time as Ronin.
When disney does the bait and switch like that, it does the new characters such a disservice. People who tuned in to get OG hawkeye got kate bishop instead and potential new fans of kate bishop didn't tune in at all.
Anyone who saw the trailer or paid any attention to what the show was other than going on the title alone would have known the show was about Clint and Kate.
This 'bait and switch' mantra you neckbeards are shouting is such a non-argument.
@@Paraludic But that just is, 98% of people DON'T pay attention.
@@Paraludic It was the same with Masters of the Universe: Revelations. It's not the Clint Barton show, it's called Hawkeye. Just like it wasn't the He-Man show.
It was clear this was going to be both Clint and Kates shows
Clint has been in every single episode. He kicked all kinds of ass in episode 3 .. I just wish you guys would own up to the fact that this critique comes from a place of insecurity in your own manhood. The show is called Hawkeye because Clint is Hawkeye, and whether you like it or not, Kate bishop on the comics is Hawkeye. The show is called Hawkeye and both the central characters are Hawkeye, there’s no bait and switch, just your own insecurity.
I feel like it would have done better if it had started with Hawkeye seeing Ronin on TV and the auction was kept for a flashback after the two met.
Jeremy Renner is awesome. He's turning the shitty writing and material to respectable trash. This show was never going to be what it should have been because it's owned by the mouse.
I'm a bit dissapointed, as much as I love the Fraction run, that Clint is not the true protagonist. I wanted to see his origin and watch him being a teacher and leader, not a grumpy oldman.
@@babsgalv6556 episode 3 showed him in a good light
@@babsgalv6556 anyone would be grumpy if they had to miss Christmas with their family
@@gadog3918 Dont remember me. I'm doing that this year.
The Mouse has nothing to do with any of the marvel content.
And the content is as good now as it always has been, Renner is great but he's got great material to work with because marvel delivers
Just finished the series. And I really wish I didn't. That show was the nail in the coffin for the MCU. It's unwatchable.
If you can watch a show it by definition is watchable
It’s also amazing that a suit made to fit a guy like Clint would perfectly fit a little girl…right…the Ronin Suit
Did it though? It seemed pretty clear to me that it wasn’t supposed to look right on her.
There is 2cm difference between Hailee and Jeremy plus as the above statement, it also appeared to be ill-fitting on Kate Bishop to me
Right
Hailee Steinfeld and Jeremy Renner are like an inch difference in height....and it was pretty clearly too baggie on her
Dumb comment.. did she
Even watch the show?
Can we please stop having 130 pound actresses in action roles in which they are depicted as being capable of fighting and beating 250 pound fully grown men!!! It is beyond stupid and unrealistic. In real life the men would overpower the woman in 5 seconds flat.
I doubt she's even 130Ibs.
@Rune Kristensen Except THIS superhero show has normal, albeit highly trained, HUMANS. No super serum. No gamma rays. No radioactive spiders. Simple physics should come into play. i.e. there's a reason boxers, wrestlers, MMA fighters, etc. are divided by weight class.
@Rune Kristensen So there’s this thing called suspension of disbelief that happens when we enjoy a piece of entertainment. We can buy into a bullshit explanation like “this serum gives this person superpowers” or “this person is super strong cause they’re from another planet” but when you set something in a more “real” representation of our world with real people then the audience is gonna expect that the rules of physics will be followed. That’s the problem here. The actress is barely 130 pounds and is supposed to be a normal person. A very athletic normal person but a normal person regardless. In a realistic scenario a woman who weight 130 pounds would get absolutely pulverized by a guy who weighs literally double her weight. Most fit men can benchpress 130 pounds. Seeing stupid shit like this completely breaks immersion and ruins the stakes in the show. I mean give her a gun and have her shot the people. Someone’s weight and strength doesn’t really matter when shooting someone but don’t show her able to beat like 10 fully grown men. In reality if she tried that she’d be dead.
@Rune Kristensen I feel like someone has a fetish for seeing little girls beat up big strong guys and is just trying to find an excuse to justify it. News flash, superheroes aren’t actually real. We buy into stupid shit like this when it’s fantastical because the genre is “fantasy”. When they make it more grounded and realistic like the did with Hawkeye then the audience will subconsciously expect a greater degree of “realism” and in reality a little girl can’t beat up fully grown men. They could’ve just given her like some fucking superpowers or something and then explain it that way. That would’ve been more believable in a show like this!
It ended at Endgame hence the name, anything else is just extra, so I don't feel tied to the franchise too much, I'll just rewatch the first three phases.
Copy and paste
Marvel have adapted content to either shows and movies in light of launching the D+ service and the following pandemic. Some decisions will miss the mark but overall, they are a billion dollar corporation that surely don’t mind some ideas “failing”.
Nah, it ended with Infinity War. Even Endgame was garbage...
Dear Disney: SAM WILSON IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE CAPTAIN AMERICA!!! That title belongs to Steve alone.
Speaking of which...at the end of Endgame...why the hell didnt he give the shield to Bucky, his best friend for 90 years, instead of a guy with a wingsuit he met jogging?
I think and I really am just speculating trying to understand this fact. I think it’s because there might actually have been a split in the timeline where when he did go back and lived a life with Peggy he could’ve gave it to Bucky instead there. This would make disneys choice better ig but then the hole in this theory is how Steve came back to the original timeline then. I’m just theorizing here and what likely happened was “OMG guys guess what how about we have captain America BLACK for diversity 😊”.
It has gotten to the point where we have people calling everything “woke” and “SJW” even when it was no SJW influence at all. Kate Bishop wasn’t a Mary Sue; she got her ass kicked in almost every fight. Hawkeye wasn’t treated like an idiot and in fact this is probably the best we have seen the character. The problem is that these “critics” watch the trailers or the firsts two episodes and declare it to be “woke propaganda” because calling stuff “woke” sells just as good as calling stuff “racist”.
Yeah she jumped out of a window and almost died lol
Nice try. This show was God awful
@Daedric Zweihander +15 can you explain why you think that
Yea right. Like when she attacks and beats up a Russian gang. Suuuure so realistic
@@jmart1393 I mean as someone whos trained martial arts my whole life, if youre a Judo black belt youre practically a God on the feet. That simple. If youre not against guns at range than you're fucking up most people who are untrained. That simple.
clearly, y'all haven't watched the show kate constantly fails in the show and clint has to miss christmas dwith his kids due to kate failing
Obviously it's a Kate Bishop show. Hailey had more screen time than Jeremy.
@@rorschach4391 KATE BISHOP IS LITERALLY HAWKEYE
@@mattsummey243 Not the Hawkeye we care about.
@@mattsummey243 Clint Barton is og Hawkeye give him some respect
@@jessicaluk74 he's been our MCU hawkeye but Kate bishop is literally hawkeye in the comics that are the source of all this.
You don't have to like it but the whole "hawkeye isn't even in his own show" line is moronic since that's also kate
I think everyone over reacting.. Kate ain't Captain Marvel or Rey Skywalker.. She not all powerful or so full of herself and knows absolutely everything there is to know about everything. She's not showing up Clint.. She very respectful and she's always trying to get Clint to train her or teach her something..
Oh, so Captain Marvel is bad but Wonder Woman being just as OP is good?
Fi and csv8 used u3tcvm for driving in this area and I don't want to be a guitar hero or anything like you do too.
The biggest problem is Disney keeps inundating us. Nothing to look forward to. Build up anticipation for series or movie. They just keep regurgitating these shows to fast
Clint was a guest star in the first episode of his show. He was on screen for about 15 minutes of an hour show.
i always appreciated clint. i was glad when he got the show he deserved, turned out he didn't.
The first episode of the show called Hawkeye worked to introduce Kate Bishop, y'know Hawkeye.
It also worked to establish what Clint's up to as well and charts how these characters cross paths.
What is so hard to understand about that basic narrative stricture? Seriously, because a lot of these heavily right-leaning 'fans' seem genuinely baffled by it.
I think the problem is that the show is called Hawkeye. Like when I buy a cheeseburger but it’s just bun and a post it with the word burger written on it. Sure I’ll eat it. But it doesn’t go down that well.
@@goth_ross That analogy only works if you ignore all the posters on the way to.the ship advertising that as being what you'd get. You don't need to like it, but don't be surprised that's what a burger there looks like.
@@Paraludic wow buddy, what a nice shiny strawman you got there.
Every single one of their shows is a 'bait and switch' or subverting expectations. General audiences are tired of this crap and it's really only the Marvel 'Stans' watching at this point.
What Bait and switch?
@@JonathonPrieston Bait = Hawkeye show / Switch = Teelas show.
Wandavision and Loki were both amazing.
We stans are sooooo enjoying this show
If this show would have follow Clint, I would have gladly pay for my subscription. But Disney offer us new character who did not even deserve to be pirated.
Clint deserves so much better than this bullshit. So mad. Disney really doesn't care about their male heroes.
@@jacobs1834 Pot, meet kettle.
I like Kate better though. You knew it would be about her in first trailer.
@@MichaelAChristian1 wrong no one is watching "Hawkeye" for Kate Bitchup. In fact no one is watching anything woke these days hence all the box office bombs and the failed feminist shit Seth Rogan cooked up "SantaInc".
@@spndusk2362 How is Hawkeye woke so far?? But I don't really care about Hawkeye though. So maybe you are big Hawkeye fan and thought the trailer was saying it was something different. It like buying Mgs2 and getting Raiden I guess. I'd rather have Kate though.
BTW, it's "which I COULDN'T care less about.." not "I could care less about.."
Don't expect Gary to understand grammar.
This is the best marvel Disney show ! Anyone shitting in it is shitting for clicks imo
Yes! thank you so much for calling out the duck run!!! I was laughing so hard during that scene. Was really hoping everyone else noticed it too!
This man is so triggered by SJW's that he himself is becoming one. My guy called this movie terrible after a couple episodes then goes and calls it great in a livestream once it's done. What is this guys issue
Nope, it ended up even worse and he was right.
Idk man I agree that marvel are overdoing it with the female characters, I hated Taskmaster, and Captain Marvel, they felt forced. But I really enjoyed this show so far and I love the Kate Bishop character in the show. I think you're being too harsh.
Anti-SJWs are just as bad as SJWs. They both label everything with trigger words like “racist” or “woke” just to get attention.
They ruined TaskMaster.
@@A.E.B.0 agreed
Beta male
@@SexhatClhxlhxyoxyl oh no, a man who has a different opinion than y’all and who doesn’t dislike a decent character for being a female, what a beta !!
Being a huge fan of the two main stars, this is actually very sad. Fantastic actors. For those who do not know already, Hailee is the voice of Vi' in Arcane, so not a totally bad month for her ;)
YO FOR REAL?! She's Vi?!
... Holy shit, I already liked her since she was good in Bumblebee but that just elevates her to a whole new level because the voice acting was beyond top notch in Arcane.
The actor can`t really do much about the material he/she gets to work with.
And you can't blame an actor for taking a job since it is a job.
And yeah, with Arcane she really hit the mark, as in: great show, and she did really good as a voice actor
@@MercuryAlphaInc watch her first role in true grit, she did an amazing job in it. She's a great actress, she just unfortunately doesn't get roles that get a chance to showcase it much.
She was also Spider-Gwen in the Spiderverse movie.
@@fiction5559 I only discovered this yesterday after watching Into the Spider-verse again... This young lady's been flying under my radar like a stealthbomber even though she's a great actress...
I'll be keeping it in mind when I see her name pop up somewhere.
Daredevil season 1 on Netflix was FANTASTIC! 👏👏😍
You can bet that if Daredevil comes to Disney/Marvel, we won't have anywhere the same level of quality. 😒
They're going to Butcher him..😑
@@01_N01 You got that right ... sadly! 😭
Yep, neutered down trash full of shit one liners most likely.
That's what I took away from this video. My heart sunk because it's true. :(
Ya know people always say season 1 and 3 is a masterpiece in story telling and season 2 isnt as good but really great nonetheless. And those people are right haha. That was it....go watch it if you havent
Blame black widow for Marvel having these 90 lbs girls betting up 250 lbs special forces troops. I never liked that about any of these films.
It's not just these films. It's been going on in TV shows for quite awhile now as well. Just look at some of the female team members on the original "NCIS". One was explained away because she was a Mossad agent, another was explained because she grew up with brothers. Like that bends the laws of physics.
Did we watch the same show, people like this are living on a different planet, like inclusion doesn't mean wokeness
Guys like Nerdrotic think anything with a woman in it is SJW.
"muh inclusion" 😂 You guys are perfect slaves.
@@wayofthekodiak3118 slaves?
I wouldn’t call it a flop. It’s actually one of the better shows out of the 5 we’ve gotten. I really hate that people treat this show as if it’s woke. It’s not.
Seriously, it's really not. People are saying it's woke cause... kate is a girl? Literally the series never points it out or even mentions it. She's just doing her shit and happens to be a gal, but i guess people are too pressed about it
He just says Flop so he can get clicks. Clickbait
"...then she puts on a costume, and then she beats off bad guys..."
"Are we not doing 'phrasing' anymore?"
Tell me you haven't watched Hawkeye without telling me you haven't watched Hawkeye;
I didnt flop. Nielsen has it as the third most watched VOD last week in USA. How is that a flop``?
This is bullshit. Hawkeye is good. Episode 4 just dropped and it was damn good. I'm sold on the MCU Kate Bishop. She reminds me of The Gilmore Girls, with her stupid optimistic smile, and she hilarious when she can bounce off a straight man like Cliff Hawkeye.
Sometimes it seems like Nerdrotic dislikes anything with women in it just because there are women in it. This isn’t she-mcu. Bishop isn’t a perfect character and is learning from Barton through the show.
It's more like the actor is giving her all and making it work , could you imagine Brie Larson type actress in the roll. Nerdrotic is more dissapointed at the sidelining of Hawkeye in a show quite literally called Hawkeye. His character yes is used as a mentor to Kate but Clint doesn't have the same character development as Tony stark did when he mentored Peter Parker thus less satisfying when he gives up the role of Hawkeye when we the audience never never got to see the full potential of Clint as Hawkeye.
This is the most idiotic defense yet. Congrats
@@cheddar76k Hawkeye was great. Cope.
@@feeWAIVER... I guarantee ur part of the problem. Keep backing bs and mediocrity.
Please keep in mind that the Vulture and his Damage Control were cleaning up after the Chitauri attack, and he sold the goods on the black market. The Avengers didn't "leave everything behind," the crew responsible was crooked.
Daredevil begins with Matt asking for forgiveness and beating the thugs
Jessica Jones begins with Jessica Jones doing her P.I stuff
whereas Hawkeye begins with the character who is going to replace him
(3rd Episode was better than the first 2)
Meh. Daredevil is just a Nightwing knock off and Watchmen and Doom patrol destroy marvel shows.
Criticizing Mary Sue’s is totally valid. Kate isn’t a Mary Sue. Kate has flaws. Jesus Christ, you gotta do better Senator.
We needed a gritty show that would've cemented Clint as the MCU's John Wick. Sucks that that ain't happening. Jeremy Renner is great in this, but the writing is awful and they're trying their hardest to ruin Hawkeye.
I don't see them killing off the dog ahead of christmas. You'd need the show to be set in a different season for true grit
The saddest thing is that they're only following what is going on in the comics
What?? I didn't think it was that bad!
This show is based off the Matt Fraction Hawkeye run. It's just sticking to the comics which is never a bad thing
@@christmasgoomba1460 There are some bad comics so I don't know about that. I never read it but Hawkeye is pretty good so far. I knew it was about Kate so I don't know who thought it would be a solo Hawkeye adventure when he was retired in movies.
Disney should follow the path of Lord of the Rings and get an army of Marvel nerds as consultants. AT least that will get something close to what the fans want as an end product.
And 100% agree, this bait and switch and identity politics on steroid agenda is going to ruin Disney+ and Marvel, unless they can just get back to telling good stories on the screen.
These are not the nerds your looking for...
@Lujack Shaw consult writers like that red hair lady yelling "Muh Politics!!"?
But nerds are incels. At least I'm pretty sure that's what CNN says
@Lujack Shaw we want nerds, not dorks
They are attempting to social engineer society. The good news is people are rejecting that programming.
Maybe I'm in the minority here but I've really enjoyed this series thus far (on episode 5). Disney was pretty upfront with what the show was going to be about so I really don't see an issue with it. Even if they are moving more towards an M-She-U scenario at least they are still more or less sticking to an already established cannon of females taking the mantle of this or that. There also has not been any part in the story yet that pushes how awesome or more amazing Kate is than Clint. He's still the major bad@ss of the series and more often than not ends up having to save/help her out of whatever mess she has gotten herself into. I know the bar is set pretty low using the Star Wars Sequels & MOTU Revelations as the standard but compared to how those portrayed women with power to the men Hawkeye as a series could almost be called Hyper Masculine. Out of all the Disney Plus MCU series this is the one that I have enjoyed the most.
ur the minority here cos the majority here are just haters 😂😅
Agreed
She's also likeable
Yeah, the show is pretty good. And Hawkeye is definitely featured more than enough. I don't consider it the Kate Bishop show at all. And yeah, of course you're the minority on a channel like this.
to me the only problem is that there feels like there are no stakes. you would expect a character to be at least a little bit scared that theyre being hunted down but shes completely fearless when her life is on the line and she has literally no experience so it makes no sense, unless the characters completely insane which i doubt
Dude this is actually sad.
And it's definitely woke fatigue!!!
Can it really be called a bait and switch if everyone sees it coming and aren’t surprised by it at all
I said, "Hawk Eye is just a dead man walking", before the show even started. Prove me wrong , "Lost-your-marbels"
sure, they can still be attempting. no one said it had to be a successful bait-and-switch :P
“Hawkeye” is abysmal. Episode 3, the woke writers were sure to include a female, Native American, deaf, physically handicapped antagonist, portrayed in school with numerous races and a Muslim teacher. And that eclipses any effort put into writing a compelling or interesting story as long as all those boxes are checked.
WHY is Clint even in NYC to see a play that’s inconsistent with his character “remaining under the radar”? Wouldn’t an Avenger at an Avenger play draw attention? It’s set at Christmas but the music feels out of place. Clint is a freaking assassin Avenger and barely makes it through a fight with the female antagonist. The dialogue is terrible.
It’s so bad and depressing.
Bruh, Laura literally says it's for Clint to spend time alone with the kids. Literally in the scene!
@@agenttronster6373 If the actors need to continually explain things, the writing is poor and that takes place "literally in this scene!" (Please note the exclamation point, as that makes me right)
@@slime-e3989 OK, you do have a point. But what should've been the case here?
@@slime-e3989 is the writing poor or did you just not pay attention
Keep in mind Hawkeye lost to Black Widow in the first Avengers movie, and the two fought to a stand still in the Civil War movie. I think the primary intention of Hawkeye struggling with Echo's fight was to show she's in the realm of Black Widow in fighting ability.
So hawkeye being a flop means ec-no will be better🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂gurl bye
I thought the first three episodes of Hawkeye were pretty good. I do like Kate so far. She's *not* a Mary-Sue. Yet.
But I did ideally want that "hard, gritty, violent, Clint Barton" show in the vein of the Bourne movies. Now I'm sad. lol
It's not Netflix marvel, it's MCU
No way it wouldn't be PG-13, it has to be.
And if Kate Bishop isn't a Mary Sue now, she can't become one later. That's not how being a Mary Sue works.
If she's got ability & it's clearly defined how she has it and how much she worked for it, she can't be a Mary Sue however much idiots like Gary want her to be
@@ChildOfTheWilderness I see you have no idea how Mary Sues work. If she suddenly starts having everything work out for her and she's capable of doing things far beyond her capabilities while being praised as the bestest EVAR than she certainly can become a Mary Sue. But whatever dude, you're just here to be a jack wagon and high five yourself.
@@palladiamorsdeus better than everyone else who is here to whine about characters with properly defined abilities & story arcs.
@@ChildOfTheWilderness You must be a Boruto fan.
To be fair on the stock price front, everything has been tanking since last Friday, so its hard to tell what the effect of subscriber news would have been in a "normal" market. Disclosure: I sold all my $DIS after Endgame and will not consider holding again without some major changes. As a fan I hope it tanks to the point they make them.
True.
But that last part is so cringe, I refuse to upvote.
I do like how grounded it is. I could use some of that bad ass Hawkeye. But the show is not bad.
Who's that hysteric who shouts to people who don't like her politics to not buy her books?
The important thing you're failing to mention is that Kate Bishop BECOMES hawkeye, it's a title, that goes from Clint to Kate, this is effectively the hawkeye show, talking about both their stories while establishing Kate (among other characters) in the MCU
3:50
no
no, that is woke, women can not replace men , especially white straight men.
@@ocularpatdown do you agree or not ?
@@Kay0Bot Hawkeye is also her name in the comics, if you want to blame anyone for that, don't blame the show.
Also, it's not lazy, it's a title that both use, probably to illustrate some stuff in the comics,,, no-one is calling the writers of Miles Morales lazy because he's also called spider-man
says the guy who is a literal man child with thousands of toys behind him and hasn't shaved in years
I enjoy Hawkeye so far than the Falcon & Winter Soldier. It's getting better with each episode. Hope they keep the momentum up till the end.
- Daredevil was so awesome. Just imagining if they had gone that kind of badass route with Moon Knight instead of making him a pathetic bitch with a way more competent wahmen rescuing him is heartbreaking. Its actually kind of impressive that they could take that character and make him so pathetic, like it took work to take his character from the comics and make him an inept bitch.
Little “h” Hawkeye really says it all.
The people running these properties are the same ones ruining them.
I love Hawkeye... and Kate Bishop , the way she is inspired by Hawkeye... I just loved it. I don't get this video, because the show was called Hawkeye and there have been two Hawkeye's for years now. Hailee Steinfeld is doing a fantastic job as Kate.
What a sad bunch. This show is a hit.
8.1/10
IMDb
92%
Rotten Tomatoes
4.7/5
Facebook
89% liked this TV show
Disney and marvel need to realise they are there to entertain kids ( and some old timers that enjoyed comics) not to educate kids in their woke nonsense. And teachers need to realise that they are there to educate kids. Not indoctrinate them into teachers sexuality for the teachers perverse entertainment.
I like it. And even if it is the Kate Bishop show, she loves Hawkeye and is definitely not infallible or a Mary Sue, she's even less skilled than Hawkeye and that's clearly demonstrated. If you have to pass the bow so to speak, this is a good way to do it. I mean, Hawkeye is aging and is basically just trying to tie up loose ends so he can retire and spend time with his family and Bishop sort of bumbles her way into it, as she seems prone to do. Overall a good sendoff to Hawkeye, much better than Luke Skywalker got.
@michael stewart. This Kate Bishop show is just a more palative method to replace Hawkeye slowly but is still the affirmative action replacement of male characters that have existed for 40yr to 80yrs without needing replacement because they are traditional male characters of Comics. Revisionism requires a feminine presence. Marketing is merely attempting another tactic to minimize the disenfranchisement of its customer base.
No reason for Kate other than political narrative agenda. Very little story developed is occurring but the transition to eliminate masculine characters is real. Just move along little man and go play with your toys. No joy for you here today!
@@dilbertjunkmail You're the only one denying yourself joy, dude.
@@TheaterPup I deny myself nothing of value. Comic book and pulp fiction is cannon that I can choose to read from my personal stores forever. I did not depend on your male repressed fiction or revisionism. I've experienced the original and do not need to experience further male oppression. I will not accept twisted definitions as anything other than the truth that they are. They are Feminist affirmative action anti male bias.
Why are writers so lazy to destroy Cannon when they could have merely created new value. They are working with a narrative that includes devisive Marxist falsehoods. Originally, decades long Amazonian tribalism created a tribe is a reality that exist to this day which inspired a wonderfully creative Comic Wonder Woman and Icon. Still a fiction, but powerful, creative and thought provoking. Wonder Woman is her own story and didn't destroy but added to Comic creativity.
You choose your fiction and I'll observe the reality of your oppressive choices. Just don't expect others to swallow!
@@dilbertjunkmail LOLOL Nice victim complex.
@@TheaterPup Culture is the only Victim from this Oppressive malevolence directed against males. Let the public acceptance or refusal of your facade of values be the determining verdict. I'm just one less consumer of disguised woke fiction not buying the tightening noose of marginalization. You should continue following your compadre over the lemming cliff of indoctrination. I won't be following, but you apparently will have lots of company!
Watched the first 2 episodes... and it's fine. Nothing to get your panties in twist about, nothing really to praise, except I do appreciate they gave her a backstory where she worked hard to become skilled, it wasn't just inherent, that she struggles and fails at things, learns and grows. Honestly, what I expect from an actual character at her level. Still on board to see how it progresses.
I very much agree. I was very glad to see that even though she knows how to fight she has no real practical experience and she comes off as clumsy. I think the series does suffer from the same thing as most of the Disney+ MCU series - that once they’re over you don’t really ever need to revisit them again. I think this series will be fine but when people are done with it they’re not gonna go back.
Yeah I disagree with nerd. I’m enjoying this so far. Great car chase
@@ericnierstedt6242 Absolutely. A good time killing show, no real rewatch value.
@@shytguy Outrage gets more views than indifference. He's gotta pander to the outrage to keep his subscribers engaged, I suppose.
Yeah, she just didn't put on a costume of a man who trained for years to be the best there is and have that costume somehow miraculously give her all that hero's powers and abilities. Hawkeye is a low key hero with Clint being a quiet guy who doesn't want to be noticed. Kate wants to be a noticeable hero. I really get early Batman and Robin vibes from the two. If only it wasn't so woke and poorly written and plotted. Still, I think the best of all the shows.
The show doesn't suck, doesn't flop. I like it because I'm also familiar with Living Weapon. That comic arc was really good and I think the show lives up to it.
Yeah I’m enjoying it so far these just like to complain because rage is good for the algorithm.
EXACTLY...
Honestly yeah. The show has much better writing than the previous mcu TV shows.
@@pjmathison9787 40% drop from Loki hahahah
@@raymondk6721 Loki is a far more popular character. Of course it would have more viewers. Loki is one of marvels most popular characters. Such a silly comparison. It still got over a million views. That’s huge. It didn’t flop. It’s doing fine. Stop looking for things to suit your stupid little narrative.
That: "Missiles & explosions? Check!" Hit different. 🤣🤣🤣