Driver Log Manipulation EXPOSED! Uncovering the Tricks Used by Truck Drivers and Fleet Owners
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2024
- Driver Log Manipulation EXPOSED!
In this eye-opening video, Ronen reveals the shocking results of our recent poll on truck driver and fleet owner practices. Discover the most common ways they manipulate driver logs, including deactivation, personal conveyance, fake co-drivers, and more. Learn why cheating the system is a massive risk and how it can impact your driving record. Protect your license and stay informed!
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
01:00 What are the most common things that truck drivers or fleet owners do to manipulate driver logs?
01:10 Deactivating EDL
02:54 Put driver on personal conveyance
04:10 Manipulating the driver log
05:04 Adding a co-driver
05:31 Shortening the time at the shippers & receivers
06:32 Deleting trips from the logs
09:06 An average of 14 people die each day in accidents involving commercial trucks
09:18 Truck drivers sentenced for distracted driving 
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Like you said you have been in all departments of a trucking company but never a truck driver, when you’ll be a truck driver that’s when you’ll be able to understand how a truck driver thinks and works till then you only can explain from a company management prospective. Same about drivers they don’t understand how dispecher works and think, etc.
Trucking is so strict that it's not even fun to work anymore. Yes, I understand that the logbook is for safety. Except when you arrive at the shipper, and they take 4 hours to load you. It completely messes up your logbook and your week. You had a dinner planned with your wife who's 2000 miles away for Friday, and now you have to postpone it to Saturday. The pay rate isn't even worth the time spent outside, and I'm speaking as an owner-operator. The drivers have it even worse... Anyway, my advice to everyone is to not stay in the transportation industry for too long. Only bureaucrats talk and try to lecture like him(referring to the guy in the video), but every night he goes home to see his wife while you struggle to find parking. The police don't care when they wake you up for not park in the right spot. There are no gyms in truck stops, and there's no affordable healthy food available.
I just started training and I have a week left for training.. I was wondering if at some of the truck stop had gyms?! Like loves?!
@Ja P I've been driving for 4hrs and haven't come across a truck stop with a gym. Lots of them will sell small pieces of work equipment though. I keep a weighted jump rope in my truck. I've seen some guys pack bicycles to ride around in parking lots.
@@DigestedRaptor6 thanks for the update!! Stay safe out there 🙏🏻
Well stated!
100% true. Additionally the 34 hour reset is a pointless and stupid mandate. Why the he'll does the government mandate how much time off a business owner (in case of the o/o) has to take or else you get punished?
I always only log what a DOT officer needs. Knowing how to edit your logs is the key to a successful owner-operator.
Thanks for sharing!
Just remember if you are in an accident and someone dies . You will be at fault if any of your records don't match you will lose everything and most likely get 20 years. Your new roommate may think your cute.
This guy seems like the guy who would snitch to the teacher and screw everyone over.
He’s Not a Snich olnly , He’s DOT Bitch too😂
He's the one who asked for homework on a Friday afternoon
Yeah he sounds like a white house dog he's a guy piss on your back saying it's raining he's kissing ass for dot officer they don't say anything too shippers for holding u up for 4 to 8 hrs at a doc they say nothing elog should be a choice I'm more tired now then I ever been flying down the road racing a clock and me risking lives how u know that driver in that car r pick up truck not on drugs tired r drunk its nothing but money the whole dang country is a greedy bunch of pricks hop
There's a simple rule of thumb to follow when dealing with dispatch regarding illegal logging: ask yourself what penalty that manager will suffer if the dot catches you. It could be for logs, maintenance, overweight, whatever. The answer is always going to be: nothing at all. The driver's always going to be responsible for everything. Something to keep in mind. I'm fortunate to have a great, law abiding boss. As for logging off duty at a customer, that's legal, as long as you log on duty to check in/out and you aren't on the dock. If you're just sitting in your truck waiting for the lumpers you're ok. One thing to remember though is that if you're off duty and go for a walk around the yard, then get run over or something, you won't qualify for insurance or disability or any other work related benefit because you've stated "I'm not working right now and I'm not responsible for my equipment or anything else related to my job". So yeah, that's something else to keep in mind when you're trying to save your clock.
Great points! I never considered what could happen when off duty at shipper / receiver.
So stupid advice, waisting time for nothing! You have to save your time when ever you can. When I am loading or unloading I dropped my trailer and park somewhere spending my time in sleeper or off duty.
Why would you need to log in off duty, when you can set sleeper time, and will work the same as off duty.
@@nicureality1427 you can do either. If it's really early when I back into my door and I want to go back to bed, that's what I do. The only real difference I can see is that if you log sleeper, then you should be in the sleeper. You can be anywhere you want, off duty. Of course, if you're at a place that's going to take a thousand years to off load you, the sleeper is a better option, depending on the circumstances. You can do a 30 off duty, but not a split shift. At least my eld won't do a split shift.
Sitting on duty getting loaded/unloaded never made sense to me. 99% of the time you not doing anything work related. Now if you assisting with the loadin/unloading process then that's a different story.
On a different note, I challenge you to get your cdl and do 6 weeks-6 months solo.
Sleeper Berth.
Challenge accepted!
Where did you get the information that you cannot use PC with hooked trailer? Have you ever read FMCSA guidance about being PC or anything for that matter?!
Guidance: A driver may record time operating a CMV for personal conveyance (i.e., for personal use or reasons) as off-duty only when the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work by the motor carrier. The CMV may be used for personal conveyance even if it is laden, since the load is not being transported for the commercial benefit of the carrier at that time. Personal conveyance does not reduce a driver’s or motor carrier’s responsibility to operate a CMV safely. Motor carriers can establish personal conveyance limitations either within the scope of, or more restrictive than, this guidance, such as banning use of a CMV for personal conveyance purposes, imposing a distance limitation on personal conveyance, or prohibiting personal conveyance while the CMV is laden.
In regard to OFF DUTY time @ shipper's/receiver's facility. If the driver is not assisting in the loading/offloading process in any way - that time is OFF DUTY.
PLEASE DO NOT SPREAD MISINFORMATION!!!
He Canadian he doesn’t know cuz Canada is a communist country and it’s a crappy country
I agree with you 100%. He doesn't know what he talking about. But I have question for you. If you are loaded, coming to truck stop and no place to park at the end of your shift. What should you do? Is it ok to drive let's say half an hour extra to rich some empty spot. I don't want to park my truck at 10 h I always do in last minute 10:50; 10:55; 10:58 and I am legal to drive eleven but it is not my fault, because lot is full. I have to drive near first ramp and sleep like a dog beside hwy without any restroom near by. The main problem with e log ...we need 24 h window 11 h to drive and if I drove 11:30 system should take of from my next day 30 min off and make available only 10:30. That pressure in last minute, you have to stop because of violation it is funny.
He is totally wrong on the PC information. It’s a tool on our ELD to be used correctly. I use it all the time without issue. I own my company and when I get a level 3. It’s never an issue. He needs to correct this.
I guess nobody knows the Canadian rules for PC 🤷🏻
@@jb99310 Ronan does not specify which country rules he is talking about, and he assumes canada same is the Great Republic of the United States.
If truckers got to do all this manipulation. it's obvious truckers don't have enough hours to do their jobs .but nobody wants to deal with that. The fmcsa Starves the drivers with 70 hrs per week then give them tickets points and citations for trying to maximize time so they can earn more than minimum wage
Who wants to work 70 hrs a week? I want to work 40 hrs at the most and get paid like I worked 70. Money is the issue, not the time. I'm not ok with working 14 hours a day. I'm on my last chapter in the trucking industry, been driving for over two decades and I'm tired.
@@Brett235 well everybody wants more money with less hours but are they gonna get it ? Probably not. But in trucking we know time is directly related to how much money your gonna make .you will always make more money with more time and hours vs the unrealistic ( we should get paid more per mile and more pay for layover and detention etc. I just think the system for hours in trucking should be corrected along with the pay
@@Brett235 than trucking isn't for you. You need to become a lawyer or some shit like that, where you charge people $200/hrs for making a photocopy, in your office. Trucking isn't for you, buddy.
@@yosefshawarma3739 I've run more rubber off of wiper blades than you have tires. I laugh at these guys that have "million mile driver" on their doors..lol that's a good start. 3 million safe miles and I'm tired. 70 hrs a week is for young folks.
The ELD is dumb tbh, “Prevents frok driving tired”
When we shut down 99% of us just don’t fall asleep. Some spend 3-5 hours solid to settle in
Yep, and then some companies don't allow split sleeper so when you actually were probably dangerously tired in the afternoon and wanted a 3 hour nap you couldn't take it because the damn 14 keeps ticking down
Thanks for sharing!
I do splits all the time it’s a great tool
Back in the day running a 1000 miles a day we could get away with it. I had a company that would give you a bonuses for over night loads. This was a big company . Don't be fooled mega company's did this . They new who would do it. I had to learn to run legal. 32 years out here i was glad to get a eld back in 07. Today you can't get me to run hard. Yes i am a o/o
Same here. I used to haul asphalt oil in a tanker, and once it's loaded you have to go with it. The dispatch would push me to load it and say "get a nap while you are waiting to load" but you can't sleep because you're constantly having to pull up every hour so. I'd run 2 or 3 days straight with no sleep. I finally had to quit because it got to be such a burden on me worried about getting caught, having a wreck and so on. Now, I run legal period and my employer has never pushed me and I've been with him for 10 years. Heck, I can leave the house and get loaded 5 hours away and call him and tell him I need a break, heel say fine, do what you need to do.
Yea you won't run hard because you're old as shit. But don't forget ppl get their license at 21
They all did that but won't admit to it
It's a great feeling not having to look over your shoulder
Thanks for sharing!
Current log rules are imbecilic, they are not even remotely compatible with how the industry operates or the otr drivers lifestyle. Worse, is they are also irrelevant concerning safety, which is the supposed reasoning for the changes. Getting my CDL in 95 had me see the changes over the years. If anything the changes added more potential for safety issues, forced more tucks to be on the roads, and more trucks to be driving during rush hours. I never drove pushed back in the day, didn't have to, but when that clock starting bs was introduced, I had too. Drivers are actually forced to do garbage they didn't have to do before that only makes things worse, not better. If it made it "better" than it would be legit. A complete revise is in order, and would solve many massive issues across the whole industry. The mentality for a lot of the changes is antiquated and imbecilic.
I agree with you on all of this. When I started 25 years ago you had to learn all the rules and how to play the game to stay within the lines, and do it in a way that kept you out of trouble and making money.
Now I’m sure these rules that go along with the ELDs have been put together by a bunch of people who have never played this game or have ever spent any time in a truck.
@@RCRCustoms When I started, if your log book was neat, and caught up to within the last 10 hrs!! you were golden with DOT..lol it was nice. If you started your line at say 7:00 am. you just brought it all up to date at the end of the day. On duty driving had to match miles moved, clearly. Now it will never go back to that, but it don't need to either.
What I hear about when they brought in that stupid clock starting garbage when you go on duty, was because they wanted to try and start forcing drivers to a regular schedule of sleep on the road, which is asinine, because life on the road, let alone how shippers and receivers work makes it unreasonable. OTR is not a 9-5 or whatever. Back when the logs where like I mentioned, I never drove tired, not even once. Wasn't till it changed that I HAD to. Least now I am semi retired, only roll the good 6 months...roll easy brother.
Here is a quick fix...In a 24hr period no more than 12hrs on duty 10 of it max for the drive line. 12 off duty. Can be all broke up to allow for shipper/receiver, traffic jams, and other industry time robbing bs. Even with broken sleep most OTR drivers probably sleeping more than the 9-5' rs With the ability to break it all up, and not screw your drive schedule you can pull off and take a quick nap ANYTIME the eyes get heavy, pull off and avoid big city rush hours a lot of times as well, and still make drop time....Anyway ..when the hell do we ever get what it should be.
Ronan you are immaculate before the government. We get it. How about your conscience though?
You are still making money off of your drivers who work14 hours a day for how many days away from home? And you wearing designer shoes in your office, bragging about playing by the rules?
Come on man.
Exploitation is Exploitation, regardless of you following the DOT rules or not.
That first part about unplugging, the shop guys at my yard do this. While we do a lot of our own repairs in conjunction with Kenworth or Volvo, sometimes those guys have to take the truck to another shop like a dealership or a shop that can do wheel alignments. It's always fun trying to explain that during an audit.
I deactivate my eld every time I am in the yard due to not wanting the mechanic to move my truck and killing my 34. I have used PC to get home never more than about 20 miles but I am usually not in route to the receiver. My best/worst, I was at a shipper for 22 hours and was off duty for most of that, but I was in bed too.
Actually, I just completed a jjKeller hours of service training module that says you CAN have a trailer attached while using pc
Thats incorrect you can be laden and go on PC as long as you're not advancing the load, you can be either laden or unladen and use Personal Conveyance.
I never ever put my ELD on the on duty status for the entire time I am loading or unloading.
You will just run out of hours for the week very fast like that.
Just put down 15 min to an hour (depends on load especially if you do flatbed/Stepdeck) and the rest on off duty. I’ve been pulled over for inspection multiple times and they never questioned about it
This^ they don’t know how long it takes to load/unload. They also don’t know if it was unloaded for you
The thing many people don't realize is that often software is logging much more information in the background than is being displayed on screen. Altering the information after the fact or in the back-end leads to discrepancies that are ripe for forensic analysis. The other thing is point-to-point distances, odometer readings and average apeed calculations. aif your logs say you went from A to B at 150mph, you're completely fucked. Bubba will be waiting for you.
Facts. It's not a bad idea to take a look at your logs in Inspection Mode once in a while to remind yourself of all the things they see. Key on and key off even. 😯
The companies will just tell u to go home if you don’t take loads….. so it’s either drive dirty or make no money!!!!!!
And I’m sure in his company they fix that ELD too…
or go with a company thats legal
@@devoywilliams3956 good luck finding one that pays anything decent!!!!
I have a buddy of mine, his truck was down, so he went to work for another carrier to make some quick cash to repair his truck. They manipulated his ELD from Europe, totally hacked. He could drive 600 miles in seconds. He made bank and quit, then fixed his truck.
Everywhere in the world the truckers manipulate their logs. In Europe we used to use a magnet,or just a different driver card. But that’s because we never have enough time for nothing. But here in N America is something different. This aggressive “safety” bull shyt and the uncontrolled immigration. They bring in drivers with 0 experience, they see here for the first time a truck,snow,ice chains etc. so here is the reason for the safety end Elog..simple as that
Yes your comment should be pinned. You are 💯 percent correct
You can run PC with a trailer. Cannot further a load. Save it for after a delivery. Arrive, off duty.. then pc to get to parking.
My unassigned driving time is usually on the company's yard or a yard move depending on how your info tabs are set up and PC was explained to me that you cant use it to advance a load in the direction your load is going and you have to start and end at the exact same location
Thanks for sharing!
Using PC to get to a safe haven is completely legal, loaded or not. Getting to a safe haven to park isn't illegally advancing the load
So what’s a working man supposed to do?
Tell em to fuck off .🤪 look these guys operate on the presapes of getting those loads where they need 2 b to full- fill them contract . U know ur replaceable with another driver which gives u both have leverage seeing how they need drivers 2 get that shit their . Ur just as important as as that dispatcher. If u give in an take the chance & get caught . They throw u under bus. 🚌 😒 like all powerful people do this & u will run into it. At the end of the day do u really wanna gamble ur livley hood 4 this fucker 2 look good putting u in the hot seat of sacrifice. U could explain this to the better outfit u apply at that won't put u in this position & they'll know that they should never ask u 2 do that from ur last job u left. Which let's them know ahead of time b4 they even hire u what their going 2 get if the ask u 2 do this 4 them. 🫡🖕u😆.
U just as powerful as they r . DONT TAKE THAT SHIT💩👌
work hourly. here in Vancouver lots of dump trucks and concrete companies are desperate for more drivers
Cops hate body cameras.
Truckers hate ELDs.
Win-win relationship 👍 👍
You can never win!! 😂
Very good points and informative! Worked for a few weeks at a company that kept trying to edit my drive line. I had to get out of there quick. Now I’m with a 100 truck fleet that follows the rules
So far has no one in senior management hinted at changing the logs especially when making a time sensitive delivery....
Good stuff! Sounds like you're in a great spot. Thanks for watching!
Yes big daddy government LOVES the little compliant/complicit ones!! The FACT remains, THE GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING THAT DIDN’T HELP THEMSELVES!! I myself am from the states and am a fully disabled combat veteran….the government are the biggest bunch of BS’ers walking the earth PERIOD!! The fact that they think they have the right to tell adults when they have to sleep, how long they have to work etc is just an excuse to FINE COMPANIES AND MAKE MONEY! I worked being deployed driving a 6,000 gallon fuel truck for 13 hrs a day for 31 straight days without a single day off….you think the government cared about “safety” then? NOPE THE DIDN’T GIVE A F**K!!!
Why would FMCSA would make it easier and allow drivers to stop their shifts at any time? It would remove unnecessary anxiety from drivers and let them drive without hurry knowing that they can stop any time if they need some extra rest or some personal time .I think the excessive using of PC also would make an DOT officer suspicious
It does. I got stopped for a roadside inspection in Louisiana a few months ago and he went through my elog with a fine tooth comb. He asked me why I used PC to get from my yard to the house 45 minutes away and PC back to the yard the next day to get my loaded trailer. I told him that it was legal as long as I went back to where I started PC. He said no. It was legal to PC home on my time after I unhooked but coming back the next day had to be on the drive line since I was working going to get my load. He gave me a warning for it. He said that PC use is a red flag and they look at everything if they see it even once.
In my 7yrs of driving I don't log on-duty at a customer unless its a drop and hook. When I'm not physically unloading the freight I'm not logging on-duty
Hey Guys & Gals,
I have a couple of statements i would like to make
If any other "worker" in the western world went to an interview and was told their job would entail, early starts, late nights, sitting around for hours unpaid, no compensation for being away from home for days or weeks on end AND being responsible for every legal part of the job, which amounts to thousands of pages of rules and regulations, equipment in good order etc etc. then being told that you will earn only a little more than $20 an hour.they would say words I can't repeat here and walk out.
The problem is NOT eld's ( do you really want to work 14 - 16 hour days ? ) no, it's the stupid transport companies who put up with greedy shippers and brokers expecting us to take loads for nothing. Couple that with stupid retailers who pander to the whims of the consumer, who expect everything to be dirt cheap. We are the real victims of the throw away system and I flatly refuse to risk my licence and abstract for these people. I work how I want
I always made a point to make sure dispatchers knew I was not going to drive ilegal. Whether it was the shippers fault for a delay or faulty equipment I was picking up, I would not risk my clean record for anyone. Also a few dispatchers own their trucks so they expect and want their drivers to do anything and everything.
My boss had a service that found a way to hack an official ELD logging system.
Once he had me drive 44 hours straight from Reno NV to Atlanta GA. Inspection stations would fully inspect my logs and it would show up as all good. It was messed up and that just scratches the surface of illegal stuff he made me do. I lost my commercial driving privileges for 180 days by the time I found this channel.
In America after u check in at w shipper and not working u can go sleeper or off duty .as long as u not around the steering wheel
Yes sir, been doing it for years.
Wrong.
Only if you are off at least 2 hours straight you can log it as sleeper time, and off duty is not legal if you are in the truck.
There is a newsletter in which the FMCSA stressed it out as it’s a common mistake
@@naosay off duty is most certainly legal. I’m a day cab driver I’m allowed to log off duty. Lol
@@mattmotter9359just say that you was in the drivers lounge watching TV. They don't know and can't prove that you didn't.
@@Brett235 exactly. Hard as hell to prove
When you check in at a shipper/receiver, you have to give a minimum of 15 minutes on duty before going off duty. DOT says all dock time should be on duty. So which is correct ? Burn your hours away while at a dock for sometimes several hours and napping ? Or go off duty to conserve hours for later ? Either way your 14 for the day continues, and sometimes run out. Thats when I use pc, to get to a safe parking spot after loading, unloading, from sitting at a dock that ran my clock out. Not the spot 100 miles away, but the closest safe spot, truckstop preferably.
Sleeper split saves me since I have to deal with live load/unload
So if I run out of time getting loaded I can use pc to get to a truck stop? Good idea. I’ve been crawling out of shippers slowly to not activate the eld and sleeping on the road. 😂
@@guybuddyman838 , to the CLOSEST safe space available. Meaning the first truckstop, rest area, etc. that has available parking. Not the one 50 miles down the road.
@@zacari99 , but if you do split sleeper berth, you have to continue that cycle until you have a straight 10, or 34, hours off.
any company asks me to do that i tell them to f.... Off. Dispatch works for me, i dont work for them.
Gotta put your foot down!
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News Too tall for that, don't want to scare them too much
Sir I think you need to look at something that you misspoke on. FMCSA can out with a ruling a couple of years ago. If the driver is still attached to a trailer the driver can still us personal conveyance as long as they are not advancing the load. Please review your information.
It was something too here a while back you had never been to a Truck Show event ,I'm medical retired 27yrs & I had been MANY & you should have your Drivers slowly stop thru as I can see you grow Transcontinental & Success On for that as US/Canada Drivers will ALWAYS need each other & Happy Trails 🚛 👣 🙏
You're wrong about Personal Conveyance. You are allowed to go on PC with a trailer attached (Loaded or Empty), as long as you do not advance towards the destination.
Ronan, always knew you work for the government.
Of course he's a shill, who isn't these days?
Regulations will have to change at least HOS for Drivers today but its a new day in Trucking today & its up to the Trucking Industry to help the companies laws as much as Truckers it has to balance
been driving off and on for 24 years and never had a dispatcher tell me to go over my hours. But in the day I have had 3 logs running.
On the use of ghost drivers, the average truck driver will see clearly that it is a trap.
A vigilant inspector will want to know., why is it that none of the trucks checked that shows a co driver, ever have more than 1 person on board.
It is a stupid mistake to make when it is used.
Here in Europe they removed the ability to use "personal convenciance" several years ago.
So glad I always worked for a super legal company, takes the pressure off. And still made a nice living.
Couldn't agree more!
I shorten time at load and unload point. It usually gives me 6th day if I want to work it.
(Sometimes)
That's why i work local now.. driving a dumptruck by the hour...
Good man 👍
Nice!
Thanks for sharing 🙏
Thanks for watching!
Thanks, dispatch, when they make a mistake, they don't want to be responsible, I been a trucker for 23 years, I'm walking out, low pay,long hours, too much traffic, law enforcement after you,I'm sick.
My favorite way of manipulating logs is...i dont 😅😊 i wonder how many thousands of dollars in fines that has saved me? As far as a skit goes.. not long ago i was assigned to a new (to the industry) dispatcher who asked me if i could go drop my current load in yard and pick up an empty, im like sure no problem, then they informed me of 1 small problem the landing gear would only roll up about 2 inches, i told them that that trailer could not legally be taken out on highway if landing gear will not fully retract and needed to be taken to repair shop via tow truck and driver they send to pick trailer up will be shut down by dot and traler will have towed by tow truck, but now fines will be involved and WAY more expensive cuz its a police call now. Weather they followed advice or not i dont have a clue other than i did not get the trailer.
You can have a loaded trailer on & be on personal convenience at least in the states
I drive legally only do 9 hours driving and sleep 14 hours. That’s what the standard should be plus dispatches have to pay overlay if I don’t make it to receiver in time. Shippers trying to find the cheapest company that’s what they should be getting….
Best way to fix it tell the government to get out of it and let us go back to the days of paper logs
Why, so drivers can mess with capacity and run rate’s even lower.
@Dustin L I wouldn't know I haul tanks and rates are still great for them 4.6 a loaded mile
@@geraldwilson727 well how about I bring my truck over and start dragging rates down
@Dustin L go ahead insurance will run you about 3800 a month and a good food grade trailer runs about 95k used and 140 new and if you want to get into specialized like asphalt oil you can get those for about 75k and new they are going for 250k
It won't happen in this lifetime, it brings in too much money. Ez money picking on the ole truck driver.
How far can they go back for the audit?
M.
So I should be on duty if getting offloaded while hooked up at the dock and off duty if I unhook.
Why do they need to unhook / abandon the trailer in order to take their 3 hours?
(I'm responding to the wait at a shipping/receiving facility)
I use to do all the shipping and receiving for a company.
That driver waiting, sure is napping most of the time.
I understand labor laws, the reasons for them, and the importance.
WFD etc, has been looking out for employees for years.
These laws are very similar to the same laws, rules employer's must follow in regard to their employees working in ,let's say, a manufacturing facility or office.
I dispute the statement about going in sleeper birth, agree with that except nothing says a driver must not be near the steering wheel. That is just ridiculous.
No PC with trailer on or can't further the load? What's it matter if you take said load to "Walmart" then back to the truck stop?
Back in the bad old days drivers used to keep 2 separate driver logs.
E logs was designed to circumvent that. I dont think e logs can be
jerked around.
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Ronen’s explanation to shortening time at shipper/receiver is wrong.
If you are physically at a shipper/receiver for 4 hours on a no touch to the driver load, you only need to be on duty as you check in at the guard shed, then yard move to the dock, then yard move back to the guard shed. All the time between those waiting are off duty or sleeper berth.
You can be ON Duty with or without a trailer. You can also be OFF Duty (including PC or SB) regardless of whether you have a trailer or not.
What’s the best way to report a carrier for this so they get audited
Drivers already have a 14hr day…. Why all of these tricks?? What’s the need?? 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Actually you can go in pc even under a load. "From terminal to home", "entertainment", "restaurant" etc.
My boss told me in no way in hell do I use a co driver.
Under current ruling you can have a load and use pc to go home etc
Should set up outside shops that fix trucks log in's with repair credentials of some sort.
I dont understand how anyone can UNPLUG the e.l.d ,it still reads you h.o.s,it won't record your g.p.s location
Wrong, it shows everything. You think these dot tyrants don't see that? Your sorely mistaken.
I love have a 99 engine now best decision ever. I write my own logs and never have to worry about this headache
Guy you don’t know the eld your not a driver you have no idea how it works in real life
They really need to add more flexibility to these logs personally I think we need 12 hours Drive / and 16 hour days and 80 hour weeks and the ability to pause the clock twice
This would alleviate sooo much stress
And 8 hour resets instead of 10. I don’t want or need 10 hours off
Move to Alaska. 15 hours drive time 20 hour cycles 80 hours per 8 days no 30 minute mandatory break. My biggest gripe with the HOS is the 10 hour off duty. I think it should be right up here because it would help keep you on a normal sleep schedule
I was not born with a big Switch on my chest. When my body is not ready to stop and sleep yet, it's not ready to sleep. So then I watch TV or video's for a couple of hours. When I wake up in the morning, it becomes very difficult to then just lay around in bed. I guess I just hate wasting time. If I can get an extra 1 or 2 hours in in the evening and an extra 1 or 2 hours earlier start in the morning, I can also realize a bit more take home pay, and home sooner with my wife and family.
Our government does not know how to manage time, but they do know how to waste time, A Lot Of Time.
All our government wants to do is have control. Remember - Put on mask. Get jabbed, and not just once. Don't go to church. Got a family member dying (or were they being killed in the hospitals), say goodbye through the glass because you can't give them a hug. Want to get married ~ Wedding of 6, but riots of thousands were OK.
I would like to see government back off.
The reason I quit driving any distance, just as you stated. I went local for a few years on a time sheet. That dried up, now driving local in a company truck, on a time sheet. Hopefully I have sold my truck. The juice is no longer worth the squeeze.
I don’t understand why an individual would have to stay on duty while sitting @ a shipper or receiver getting live loaded or live unloaded.If you stay on duty while being live loaded or live unloaded your 70 hour clock & your 14 hour clock just keep ticking away & you don’t get those wasted hours back 🤔🤔?
If I’m not driving, I’m off duty I don’t give a damn.
@@BigRigJeffro 😎
I know people who pay people to edit logs but I don’t run like that I hate running long hours, I had my fun with paper logs, so I tell them look man I need atleast my 7-9 hrs of sleep. Plus I drive from LA California to Oregon Washington anyway so don’t matter much.
I see I see
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News yezzir
Your wrong about PC with a trailer. There is no restriction on trailer loaded or unloaded as long as your using it correctly.
Unplug?
LoL
It's easier to use a small magnet.
As long as it’s rightish most of the time, you’d be fine. Dot and Fmcsa has checked audited my logs and it was fine.
Good to know
Personal conveyance now allows a laden trailer to be attached.
I have a buddy that they change his logs daily and he tells me if they don’t do it they can’t make money.
Please. Tell more about how your drivers put themselves on duty while waiting to be loaded. How you pay them for each hour they are on duty.
That's a good question to which the DOT should see about... waiting for four to six hours at the shipper while on duty... who pays for that time ? Why not make it in the way that when you are not driving everything stops ?
I pull a flatbed for a small company and we sometimes have to wait to get loaded or unloaded on our dedicated account. We didn't use to get paid but once all of us, 10 drivers on the account, said that we'll just stay home if they're not going to pay us, then they started paying us $50 an hour after the first hour regardless of circumstances. It stupid to expect your drivers to set for hours and not get paid, no other industry does that.
@@Brett235 if drivers across the country would have the courage to unite and do what you did, maybe things would change. Too many dont want to "risk" their jobs
@@BM-if9zn true.
And most realize they will be replaced by the young kids who are allowed to drive now. You know the ones who will work for pennies because they don't yet have real bills and expenses, or their own family
To hell with driving over mi hrs and with high speed loads with appointment times i can barely do 10 hrs driving i don't know how other psychopath drives can drive over there hours just for a pointless delivery time. maybe thay use drugs to keep up, i don't so i shut it down for the night and i get there when i get there 🚛😴🌙 period...
I drive logs and am exempt from logging. I still use paper logs for my own records. ELD sucks; I always prefer paper.
There’s a vid here on RUclips with a guy showing super ego reset his whole 70. Think the title is true game on floyd inc. aka super ego. A lot of guys don’t understand they’re a broker and they run this scam on 6-7 different carrier dot#’s so if one gets shut down they just buy another
You can use pc and off duty while hooked to a trailer lol my trailer is never unhooked when im home lol regulations don't care if you have a trailer or not
U guys really out yourselves on duty for loading and unloading? That is wierd and your 70 is gonna be gone in like 4 days
I have no idea how a trip can be deleted because you cannot edit drive time.
You go back to a central point such as a truck stop that you were at before. The issue is the added miles...
Yea for 17 years u been screwing the driver is what u are saying bc betting u ain't paying a good wage and to stop using ELD get a truck where it's not required and that's a fact
Small companies try to make drivers try to break the rules?? Yeah I’ll stay away from them then 😳😳
There’s damn near no such thing as a squeaky clean driver…also I hate to say this but in the times we live in your company is only paying around 1800-2000 dollars…that’s not good enough for a “squeaky clean “ driver l….try $3000-$5000 and then you’ll be worth the while
Ronan you never been a driver says enough.
I'll never understand how drivers run out of hours (70/8) anyway. Been driving 30 years and have never ran out of time. Paper or ELD
They run out of hours in the sense that they want to cover 700-1000 miles a day / in a shift which is not possible with the 11 hour’s drive
@@mohamedhussein7521False, I’ve managed low 7’s a couple times without violating, doing 67/68
@mohamedhussein7521 Well, if you run on a recap which I believe is 8.75 hours a day you should never run out of hours. The trick is (unfortunately) is to watch every single minute. On Elogs, you're only required to log everything as 6 minutes (fueling, pretrip, loading, unloading, postriip, ect). Unfortunately, most drivers are clueless. Been doing this for years with no problems.
@@pointnIaugh how many miles can u drive in a shift of 11 hours????
@mohamedhussein7521 Estimated 600, I have however ran 700+ if no issues(traffic,weather,stupid dispatchers ect)
You are NOT a totally correct about PC. Your version is DOT's control version not the written version.
Every time the truck sits longer than 30 minutes Sleeper Berth Nobody Can prove you weren’t sleep Simple and Easy I rarely go off duty
I avoid all this by having an eld exempt truck
Oilfield has off duty waiting. Blessing and a curse 😅
It's really too bad that I found you as I'm getting out of this business because I'd work for you.
Geeez You should drive a Truck for a few months to see what all is involved on the road .
It's push push push industry. It didn't use to be like that but they punish the whole bunch because of a few bad apples. Now there's more wrecks than ever before, mainly because there are more trucks on the road but one would think that everything would be more safe with all of these mandated rules but they're not, they're worse.
You don’t have to stay on duty the entire time at a shipper or receiver 😂 you have no idea dude.
Look up part 395 in the green book. It defines exactly what on duty time is. All time spent waiting to load helping to load tend to paperwork is definitely to be logged at on duty. Whether you actually do it that way, is a different story!
@@theodoreskaff1209 you can tell who’s actually a driver and who has never sat in the driver seat huh Theodore? If you logged all on duty time, you would be out of hours by Wednesday.
@Zach W calm down dude! I meant you do have to log some time there, say 10 or 15 minutes then off duty or sleeper berth. That will cover you for the DOT. Sorry I should've been more clear.
You do not have to be on duty when you are in the dock. You cannot be off duty. Sleeper berth in the dock is acceptable.
Bureaucracy as it’s best.
You don’t take no lip from a dispatcher