Two Jews on Zionism's Twisted Psychology (IG Live with Hadar Cohen)
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- Опубликовано: 27 фев 2024
- Originally streamed live on Instagram, February 27 2024.
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Hadar Cohen is an Arab Jewish scholar, mystic and artist whose work focuses on multi-religious spirituality, politics, social issues, and community building. She is the founder of Malchut, a spiritual skill-building school teaching Jewish mysticism and direct experience of God. She teaches and consults in a variety of settings and formats, from one-on-one coaching to online group classes and in-person retreats. Her podcast, Hadar’s Web, features community conversations on spirituality, healing, justice, and art. Hadar is a 10th-generation Jerusalemite with lineage roots also in Syria, Kurdistan, Iraq and Iran. Subscribe to her Substack for access to her latest writings, offerings, and media appearances. hadarcohen.me @hadarcohen32
This has broken me. I'm African American and seeing anyone dehumanized and called sub human sets my nervous system on fire.
Does it set your nervous system on fire that every Palestinian views Jews as subhuman? They literally don’t know Jewish history.
You’ve put words to what I’ve been feeling! I’m also Black, and the way Palestinians have been openly dehumanized in our mainstream media truly sets off my flight-or-flight.
@@AlanaNichole1989 Sorry, the way the mainstream media has dehumanized Palestinians?
In the US, the mainstream media NEVER talks about how Palestinians dehumanize Jews. The *popular position* in the West Bank and Gaza is that the Oct 7 attack, which targeted *only* civilians and had no legitimate military target, was 100% justified. Jews are fair game. Jews are less than human.
Israelis and pro-Israel people like myself do not view Palestinians as sub-human. Maybe there are some individuals who support Israel or are Israeli who do, but it is not the popular view.
The popular view is, Palestinians want us to leave our country (or worse, kill us), we want to live here in peace and not have a murder-suicidal neighbor, but it's been over 100 years since Jews started showing up in Israel (wonder why that was? 🤔) and maybe Arabs need to realize that they are going to have to live with other people. That's not how ANY muslim-majority country operate. Just look at how Christian populations have disappeared. It's about Islam, dummy.
Thanks ,well said❤@@AlanaNichole1989
@AlanaNichole1989 Let's fight and fight...
Michigan's Democratic Not Committed votes are a start.
The Lobby does run our Duopoloy Party.
70 Palestinians killed waiting to get some flour
The world is sick
a bunch of kids starved to deth today, palestinian inocent kids.
I am most disgusted by the Western medias handling of this issue. They are soulless monsters.
completely sick💔
worse than sick! as history has shown us back then... how sick and sickening human beings can become when they put on a military uniform and swear loyalty to the toxic illusion of ( armed )superiority under the disguise of self defence....legalised , I,d say: sanctified, by global government institutions enslaved by the lethal arms industries...words fail me to express my anger and frustration and my deepest pain to have to witness this complete wipe out of the smallest trace of what,s left of humanity , not only inside the mind and hearts of those soldiers who commit these criminal acts of destruction, not eradicating, as they sing, but instead, sowing the seeds of even worse to grow on this land being soaked in the blood of tens of thousands of stolen lives, but also of those worldwide governments and institutions who just let this go on and on, pretending that history is a non existent part of our common ( un-civilised) ancestry, on which planet am I...???
@@farazpawnot all Western medias
Oh my God. I am a Palestinian in the west bank and I find this conversation so strong and healing in some way. Thank you.
Must all Jews leave Israel?
I didn't think anyone in Gaza had power to communicate. But glad u can. You are not forgotten by the West.❤
@@maureenmannion6748 thank you
Our hearts & prayers are with you all. I'm in Brooklyn, NY, USA. Big Palestinian & Muslim community in general here. I'm American, but know we are all One Unified Reality in God's Reality. The One God known by different Names. We are putting pressure on Biden to stop using our Tax dollars to continue bombing & killing unarmed Palestinian civilians. Is heartbreaking what we are seeing & thanks to people like we see here speaking out against injustice & war crimes going on & especially because they speak out as Jews & others are speaking out more on reality of injustice you have all been living with long time. Tell your stories. Tell Truth. The world needs to hear your stories. May Allah strengthen your hearts with courage & keep you safe from giving losing your heart to hate, fear, or hopelessness. My hope is there be alliances between Jews & Palestinians who come together with commitment to build trust & begin movement that supports possibility of living in the Holy Land of all 3 Faith's together. Insha'Allah 💕🙏🏼💕
@@maureenmannion6748 The West Bank and Gaza are two different places but both are under the same tyrant.. It is safe to say that Gaza does not have power but West Bank does.
As a German I came up with this explanation: a family two parents, two kids. Abusive parent (NAZIS) abuses the kids (Jews) and the other parent (non nazi Germans) knows (partakes) but doesn’t help the kids. One kid deals with the trauma and seeks justice and to help that stuff like that doesn’t happen to others. The other kid says: “I’m never again the weak one.” and starts abusing others. The second parent knowing what happened and feeling guilty lets the violent kid do what he wants and defends it even against the the sibling. (If you wanna go on: the role of all other parties UK, US, … can fit in too) // In the end we have Jews like Gabor Mate, Norman Finkelstein, Marek Edelmann, Ilan Pappe and on the other side Bibi Netanjahu and Co. And the Germans that can’t deal with stuff. All trauma.
You nailed it! That's a comment i'd like to share
@@ScythianPonyplease do!
Such an important observation from Germany. We see in America how different people are. Those prone to violence and the rest want peace. It’s like two different types who can’t see eye to eye. The republicans are often compared to the Nazis. Now the Israelis are showing the same traits. And the Russians with Ukraine. Can Nazis be converted?
That’s exactly it, trauma recycled…ugh we all need to reunite for the sake of the survival of the whole planet!
And it’s complicated by another family story: a man with two wives, a son from each one. The younger son is given a great fortune, but loses it through mismanagement. He’s given more, and another chance, and blows it again. Eventually the elder son, whose inheritance had previously been withheld, is granted a great fortune to fulfill the family vision of success. His younger brother is consumed by envy. The older invites his brother to join his successful business venture, but the younger refuses the offer. After many years, some of the younger brother’s children devise a plot to wrest control of their uncle’s successful business and great fortune from their cousins. Things get ugly.
I totally agree with what she said in the last couple of minutes!! Many supposed "spiritual" people think they just need to ignore everything and just be happy. But If one is not affected and unperturbed by other's grief, pain and suffering, one is not worthy to be called human.
Hello 👋
I am from Uzbekistan 🇺🇿
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I love you both. You are Beautiful people 🙏❤️
Sweet heart God Bless you. Is important we hold love in our hearts. It might not seem like it makes difference, but it does. Physicists speak of Unified Field that connects everything & everyone to everything & everyone else & they know that if enough people join together in hearts & Awareness of Unity & Love, it raises our frequency & a spontaneous shift can occur in Collective Consciousness. Many of us are doing this because we feel the only way for humanity to rise above this kind of violence against each other is to raise our Consciousness about True Nature of Reality, beyond illusion of separation.
Thank you from my heart from a German-American citizen🙏❤️
*PEACE for ALL PEOPLE*
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One revolutionary, or at least transformational thing that has come out of this genocidal mess, is that, as an outsider - being neither Jewish nor Arabic -, I get to hear these very informing and enlightening non- or anti-Zionist perspectives from Jews themselves, like Finkelstein and yourself, which before this attack on Gaza began, I had practically no idea of, being an outsider, and this has been and continues to be a very eye-opening and amazing experience, as I'm sure it is for countless others as well. Btw, the crossed out parts in the text aren't my fault, but some glitch, I don't know what. Sorry for that.
ditto
"transformative" !
I don't believe there are Two separate "clubs" that perpetrate these kinds of attrocities.
"One Club for the genocide Beat"
*Edit suggestion:* If you use dash( `-`) without spaces on both sides, and then add another dash later on - the text shall get crossed out -just like this.-
I love the Matés and Norman Finklestein. Keep talking!
Intelligent conversation is rejuvenating. 🤗 Thank you for your time and encouragement.
Thankyou beautiful people ❤
Hello from Amman /Jordan .. Much love and respect for you both ❤️
Thank you beautiful people. How easy to see Jews and Palestinians living side by side in peace and harmony!!
"Jews" and "Palestinians" are not opposites.
Hello from Vancouver B.C., to Tokyo, traveling with you, thankful for your information & helping understand.
Heartbroken from Croatia😢
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Croations were nazis during WW2.
NO ONE can live in peace in the injustice of others.
Thanks to you Hadar and Daniel for a realistic overview of heavily manipulated behavior towards ourselves and others, caught in constraints and beliefs and frozen in wanting to see them in order to remain fair to everyday life. Helpful to speak out courageously.
I hope "proud American Jews" take that first line to heart. Free Palestine, Free Turtle Island!
Thank you from a Romanian in Germany. We need love and respect for one another. ❤
And from a Romanian in Australia . Love to all
Hi from South Africa. I love listening to Daniel Mate. He's brilliant 👏🏼
Thankyou both so much for sharing yourselves & having honest conversation about what's going on in Israel. Its so important. The first time I ever heard a Jew speak out against the violence & injustice going on against Palestinians was your father Daniel. A mind blowing honest exposure with so much soul & heart, Truth & Transparency. Thankyou so much!❤❤❤
People like you make me feel there is still hope .
I'm no longer a victim. I'm a survivor. That means that I have the experience to help, not hurt, those who are still victims. 🙏💖🙏🌄
Such openess and accountability.
Thank you for trying to make the world a better place
I really enjoyed these two human beings connecting on this podcast and sharing with us their different wisdoms. Thank you💫☄️
By speaking against these atrocities you do the victims of the holocaust and the Jewish people justice thank you for putting yourselves out in this way I’m sure it is not easy
Hello from Algeria 🇩🇿.
Thank you for sharing.
Peace be upon you.
Many great points. With intellectual leadership like you guys the future looks bright. Darkness eventually becomes infertile because of the continuous brightness of light.
That example you gave Daniel with the actress doesn't surprise me. She didn't just wake up with it, as I believe it was always there deep in her soul. That is why Israelis have turned a blind eye to 75 plus atrocities. I don't believe that they didn't know what was going on in Gaza. Israelis didn't like it when it happened to them. Israelis have been brainwashed to believe they are special and are the only ones who deserve the right to exist-a whole nation of narcissists. I've seen it in multiple social media interviews with seemingly intelligent Israelis who come across as entirely spiritually deprived monsters. I'm not Palestinian and didn't know much about what was happening until the last few months. Living in Australia, I had friends from Israel and those who were Jewish, but I never understood the misplaced vengeance for revenge that they have. I appreciate the fantastic work you and your family are doing to make our world a safer place for all of us. My eyes are on Palestine and I will continue to fight for the genocide to stop
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I’ve heard some Israelis call Palestinians Nazis. Saw it in print on social media twice so far.
This seemed bizarre to me….but once I started thinking about the Zionists propaganda, I realized it is by design.
Since Israelis are hammered with victimhood (Holocaust plus), by calling Palestinians Nazis, that revengeful hate is built up and applied towards them. This helps the plan of the Zionists to eliminate all Palestinians from the land…..they would leave their land out of terror….or die.
Hope this helps.
I let go of my religious and cultural identity, it is liberating. I feel the strong caring human connection, and it is stronger than the bond I felt with my own kind. Connecting with other people as people is the way out.
This is very profound. I like this.
I hear you. But I would say it’s possible to have a religious and/or cultural identity and authentic respect for other human beings who are not part of that group (maybe depending on the group). Of course in the end we are all part of the same human family.
@@hoopoe9629 yes, of course. However, our human connection is primary. Our other identities can enrich life as long as you don’t think that we are better than the others.
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This ongoing horror highlight the horrible fact that we are Not "one human family" ! Quite clearly these two for instance are very different from those in power in Israhell.
You two are awesome! This is exactly what the world needs now so much! Thank you, stay well and keep sharing your wisdom and your vision. ❤💜
Daniel looks like Robert Downy Jr :) Thanks for the excellent discussion!
I was thinking the SAME thing! ⭐️⭐️⭐️💫💫
Initially I thought he was Robert DJr
❤ so thats who he keeps reminding me of !!😂
Tt's awesome to see Jewish people sharing their thinking about what's going on in the world (related to wars) with the focus of us humans trying to heal from our needs to have war due to our terror to not have/etc
Hi from New Jersey
Where I grew- up. Good to see informed Americans
Thank you for sharing this conversation, such great insight. Let's work to ensure we create a world of equality and safety for Palestinians as well. Love you both❤.
im not a psychologist but i think extreme zionism is like mass psychogenic illness or hysteria or something like that
Zionism is, and has always been, a political religion. What most Jews don't know, or don't want to know, is that before WWII most Jews had no appetite at all for zionism. They had reasons for this lack of appetite. Whether those reasons are valid today, is open to debate. The point is that nobody knows about those reasons.
Thank you for this refreshing dialogue... I'm subscribing to both your work.
Loved listening to you. I was raised in a Jewish neighborhood, went to a mostly Jewish school (and I am a christian) and have always really like Jewish people. I have so enjoyed my time with you and wish I could find friends in this time of my life, 70's like you to share ideas and feel connected. Thank you
Thank you from Melbourne, Wurundjeri Country ♥️
This is the work of raw diplomacy (I cannot think of another phrase) needed that is missing from the "official diplomacy" between nations, groups etc. Their is no actual diplomacy in western based countries these days, which is why we are seeing all these horrors. Thank you both for explaining the mental process that keeps people stuck in sick and dangerous systems. I grew up as a southern baptist and feel like I have been in the zionist propaganda for years even though I am not jewish. So many people are in a trance that keeps them insulated from reality.
My latest intellectual heroes…Norm Finkelstein, Ilan Pappe, Edward Said, Mate family, Max Blumenthal, Chris Hedges, Jeffery Sachs and so many Arabs I can’t name them! None of my circle knows who any of these people are! I’m a 74 yo, female WASP who is a lefty…very lonely intellectually here in Texas!
True for me too, Hi from VA.
Jeffrey Sachs? Uh, you need better heroes. Maybe check out Vijay Prashad's latest appearance on "India and Global Left". He has words for Sachs, who appeared previously.
You’d like John Meirsheimer as well! You’re not alone, even though I completely understand how you feel. Stay strong, you won’t regret it ❤
Great to hear you in conversation and providing a way in and a language to understand the twisted psychology.
I knew who your father was before Oct 7 but hadn’t heard of you and your brother. Now I’m catching up, watching videos every day. Thank you for patiently educating us 🍉
From Ontario Canada 🇨🇦. Thank you 🙏
Canada is a European colonial occupation, too. Cheers from my squat on unceded Omamìwininì land, a few kilometers upstream of Aladdin Trudeau's imperial occupation palace. ✊🛠️🚩
@@fun_ghoul 👋👋😊
So grateful for Daniel Mate and his father. True humanitarians whose intellect, emotional intelligence and courage are inspiring and vital in these times. Listening from Ireland 🇮🇪
I don't see Jews or non-Jews. I see people justifying starving survivors of incessant violence versus people who demand that it stop.
if you want to see what incessant violence is just open the book called Kuran
Wish I could afford to attend your sessions ! I am an out of work film/television production worker! Sounds amazing ! hope to get to met both of you some day! I so relate being from a crazy zionist family and finding my way out!!
Also Israeli media is not covering what is going on in Gaza so unless Israelis seek outside sources they are being fed hatred and lies!
Thank you for this great, informative conversation.
Thank you for the thoughtful discussion.❤
Benjamin Netanyahu's actions ,have made me feel, ashamed of being a Jew.....
( & I am a non- practicing ,Jew)
To do the same actions ,that were done to the Jewish people,by the Nazis,
- is unacceptable, today-
no matter how Benjamin Netanyahu puts a "spin", on his "Victory"- which IS Genocide.
Why the Haigue Court ,doesn't arrest him....is beyond my comprehension....and Putin must be added with Netanyahu.
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Your comment, though well-meaning, is quite confused.
Thank you both for your humanity and kind conversations concerning an important issue.
So important. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this video. It was very beneficial. Keep up the Great Work! Much appreciated!
please more Chaka and quiet storm covers from Daniel ❤
this is also good
Courage is doing the right thing despite the fear.
Thank you for an interesting and insightful discussion
Listening from QC, Canada 😘
🖤☮️🖤 Thank you 🙏🏽
I love this conversation! Thank you❤
Much love from the UK, completely ashamed of my government, who do not speak for me or many people that I know 😢 #FreePalestine 🍉🇵🇸
I’m watching this in pieces as to not miss anything. I was just talking to my husband about Germany’s a*s kissing of Israel, and now likely footing the bill of killing Gazans (not sure if that’s true but I know who is not using their own money)! I love this topic, video, the casualness yet depth of the topic. Thank you Daniel! And Hadar! 🙏🙏
This is so positive and encouraging. It’s good to see you two, being who you are, sharing this honest conversation. Right on! I learned a lot. Thank you so much!
I'm in Montpellier, France.
I can’t believe I hadn’t found you both before this week. I’m so grateful for your intelligence, sanity, love, insightfulness and courage. Thank you for making me think and putting words to things I couldn’t ❤
Thank you
Someone (sorry I can't remember who) made a very important point about Germany's support of Israel that I haven't heard mentioned elsewhere, but it rang very true. They said that one of the other ways Germany is dealing with the unaddressed shame and guilt of Nazi history, is in allowing Israel to commit these atrocities, as a means of assuaging this very guilt and shame...like there is almost a sick glee in watching the people you persecuted, commit the very crimes you, yourself were/are guilty of.
So true
Pardon the crassness of what I’m about to write, I mean well and I think it is a good analogy. A true friend does not allow another friend to commit atrocities.
There might be some truth in it... But what I see and have experienced in the three German-speaking countries is that many Nazi perpetrators - they're now dying out slowly but surly because of their age - and many of their complicit and sometimes even their descendants DO NOT FEEL REAL GUILT or SHAME at all...
Although there were the Nuremberg trials and the Allies carried out country-wide denazifications in Germany and Austria 1945, many Nazis and their silent complicits in in these countries got away with their crimes unpunished and after the ende of WWII they rebegan and made it big once again as so-called "honourable" members of the society...
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~1:24:25 Reorienting one’s perspective from ‘why is this happening to me?’ to ‘why is this happening for me?’ forces each of us to reflect on our place in the totality of this event. For me, living a stone’s throw from Gaza, forces me to confront my privilege and work through my ignorance. Ultimately, the Israel-Hamas war has awoken me to the realisation that victimhood can be dealt with in two ways: 1) by working through the trauma and healing the emotional wounds, or by 2) projecting your suffering onto another in defence of your pain. The former leads to resolution while the latter perpetuates resistance and suffering.
Hello from Australia
Kudos to you both for carrying on having these conversations
I found it difficult to put down as it is always with the Mates. As much as Hadar's beauty can be distracting, I thank you both deeply! You add to my courage.❤❤❤
Just after you were born, no matter how bad the circumstances, a person, or people, gave you some measure of loving kindness, some amount of compassion. If not, you would not be alive now. That was your introduction to life, the implicit knowledge that loving kindness and compassionate understanding are indispensable for human life to exist.
The foundation of human life, therefore, is loving kindness and compassionate understanding.
As we age we are taught otherwise by damaged people. 💔
Their misdirection is rarely intentional. They are simply sick due to their own early learning experiences/trauma.
Once this is understood, we can seek help to dismantle the wrong thinking that we were taught and insert, through daily practice, right thinking, and thereby right actions.
The teacher that I have learned from is Thich Nhat Hahn, and the practitioners that learned from him before me.
weezi-💜🙏💖🙏🤠
Thank you for sharing ❤
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings. My spiritual inclinations are similar to yours. It is very important that this gets out to people so I’m sharing it. It’s two passionate souls sharing their hearts❤
WOW
I can't believe this discussion
Hadar, good to see you 🥰
That was great! Thank you 🙏
thank you both. Long and very psychological, and I loved it!
Found the psychology of Zionism really fascinating. I am more used to the political analysis of Zionism (ex: Shaul Magid’s ideas). The psychology; the need to belong, identity, concerns for safety etc are super powerful and very significant. Also agree there is a lot of fantasy and projection when it comes to Israel. Very heartened to hear that 1/3 of British Jews identify as antiZionist/ nonZionist. Wonder what the statistics in North America would be.Thank you both for your principled and important work. Love from Canada.
So-called Canada. This is an occupation, too!
Thanks for caring!
I like that this conversation goes deeper than staying in the realm of right and wrong.
Iranian-German here, listening to this a month later! Just wanted to check in and send solidarity!
It's always very important to say the truth that makes free.both of you are protected by the muslim world.❤❤❤❤❤
Omg, you have such a beautiful heart & luminous mind Hadar & so much insight, intuitive wisdom for how to guide people in process of facing & healing from trauma of horrors you are all witnessing. I so deeply admire you both for your courage, honesty & intelligent reflection on Truth & roots & way through all that's going on between Jews & Palestinians in the Holy Land. You two are sowing a seed & may God's Grace nourish & Bless it to become a beautiful garden of possibility of healing & forgiveness that will impact whole world.
Thank you!
I’m here to feel sane…so , so very SAD & OUTRAGED
Hi from Brisbane Australia
Excellent analogy Little Shop of Horrors
Thank you for this conversation.
I'm a Jewish woman from Montreal, Qc, Canada. 🍉
Hadar, words fail me to express my adoration ❤
I'm an Egyptian Muslim listening to your conversation and hoping to God that this level of tolerant, thoughtful and intellectual conversation can take place in the Arab conversation over whats happenning, cuz what I'm seeing is a severe victim complex as well. I pray that one day when Palestinians are free they are able to heal and thrive and not live in this continued cycle of victimhood for decades to come.
London UK 😊
hi from France❤
Thank you, Hader Cohen, for your insightful interview with Daniel. I thought you were from the same family but realised you are not his sister.
Thank you Daniel & Hadar. Two bright people in a dark world. Love from your Catholic brother :-) FTRTTSPWBF (with Jewish, Christians, Muslims and all other people living together peacefully in one nation
Love you guys!
So healing and fascinating ❤
The majority of people who are champions of the massacre are not looking at the footage we see. You cant be sane and condone innocent people suffering in place of the perpetrators.
I’d like to (try) to read that book you mentioned Daniel. It would explain a lot!! 🙏🌹
Hi from Scotland.
Love to you both amazing souls 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦❤️❤️❤️❤️
Canada is a colonial occupation too.
@@fun_ghoul yes and we’re dumb founded how quickly we descended as peaceful country to Nazi controlled regime. 😢
@@seenunseenr855 You don't get it. Ugh.
How easy would life be if every time we are rejected or contradicted or slighted or insulted, instead of examining our own responsibility concerning these issues, we could just remove self-examination by the excuse that we are being ill-treated because we are Jews. Life is tougher for everyone else who has to assume the possibility they may themselves be at fault or unworthy or have been unjust.