“Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.” ― George Orwell, 1984 Thank you for a great presentation.
To listen to such a calm , educated scholar explaining exactly what is happening is wonderful . Due to the many facts Professor Avi Shlaim explains so perfectly has me realising that an Orwellian nightmare is well under way The sooner this is stopped the better .Thank you for such a talk. No violence , no aggression , simply a quiet statement of facts .
I,too, have noticed how calm and educated express their point of view, the jews that support Palestinian cause and from the other side, how hysterically and nervously the pro is rael supporters.
Yes - amazing how the facts are twisted by the detractors and misinformation to rationalize a continuation of oppression and apartheid by the Israeli Government against a people who have been recognized by the United Nations but rejected by it's occupier.
This is a lucid and cogent presentation of a rational, critical and humane analysis of Israel as an ethno-nationalist state. He does not shy away from describing this as a "racist" state. Prof. Avi Shlaim is a very decent, public intellectual. He is Jewish himself and an eminent academic at Oxford. Great thanks.
That's why you don't here other ethno-nationalist countries like Australia, New Zealand and yes the US of A on the side of Pallestine, they don't want to be the next one line
Love that people come together to call against injustice and oppression. And are making great rounds to and successfully shut down their fabricated lies.
The supreme law of the US - the Constitution - stipulates it shall respect no religion, yet; the very claimants of the US as being a Christian nation see no correlation between this ^ claim and their unswerving devotion to Old Testament verses saying things such as 'God loves the nation that loves Israel' (obviously I'm paraphrasing). Israel ceased to exist when the Lord got utterly furious in how the Israelites continually behaved & disobeyed Him, allowing Rome to cause the diaspora, ransacking the temple & taking it's contents as spoil. - The Palestinians didn't do this, the Israelites did it to themselves. Are we, then as a 'Christian nation', in fact, a Theocracy - bent on consistent fealty to another Theocracy - Zionist Israel, with it's flag everywhere, portraying an occultic symbol, instead of, say, banners showing Torah scrolls? One reason ignorant Americans hate Iran is because it is a Theocracy, no? Long before Palestine was invaded by Poland, it was Christian Zionists beating the drums for statehood for Europeans to colonize - the Palestinians were obstacles for Christian Zionists. In the 1800s it was common for Christian Zionists to make 'pilgrimages' to the Holy land. Not one of them knew it was a Muslim Palestinian family whose job it was to unlock the huge door to the most important Christian church in all Palestine, caretaking the key within a sole family of ancient origin. A slender young man would unlock the opening within the door with that 400AD key, opening the door for worship from the inside. I place the blame squarely at the feet of ignorant(?) American pastors, who taught & still teach their flocks that the popular tours of the Holy Land of the OT is for Jews, when since the Romans sacked the temple in 70 AD - causing the expulsion of those Jews. The Ashkenazi of today are mostly atheist. The Sephardic Jews are the real deal, folks, and they were coerced into moving to Palestine. The Poles treated the Jew(ish) inhabitants just as badly as they did the native Muslims, Druze and Christians. Atheist Zionist Israelis fervently dislike Torah Jews. They feel Torah Jews make them look old-fashioned, not militant. Anyway, entire Cheistian towns were bombed, burned, you name it, the inhabitants murdered or run off in 1948, not only the publicized Islamists. Why did the JNF use tree-planting as one benefit from the donations? Trees block images of foundations, property lines & ancient paths from view. 'parks' are created on stolen land & properties until settlements can be built. Entire
British government is responsible for the current situation in Palestine as history indicates. They should unequivocally apologise to the people of Palestine. In fact they Britain and all other colonial power should apologise for all the atrocities they have committed during their rule..it will only happen if more and more people start raising the issue
Along with the US because let's face it the US is nothing but an extension of British rule. The British empire is long gone and the same fate awaits the US. The US has been in decline for years now and continues down a steep slope.
Exactly. What I have studied for many years is now all coming to a head now. Ty so much for your clear and precise assessment of facts Professor Shlaim. We have PASSED the numbers of the Nakbah of 1948. Time to wake up everyone!
Please read history: 1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, NOT a Palestine State. 2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 3. Before The Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic State of Mamluks of Egypt, NOT a Palestine State. 4. Before the Islamic State Of Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish empire, NOT a Palestine State. 5. Before the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, NOT a Palestine State. 6. Before the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was Umyyad and Fatimid Empires, NOT a Palestine State. 7. Before the Umyyad and Fatimid Empires, there was the Byzantine Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Sassanids Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 9. Before the Sassanids Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean State, NOT a Palestine State. 12. Before the Hasmonean State, there was the Seleucid Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 13. Before the Seleucid Empire, there was the Empire Of Alexander The Great, NOT a Palestine State. 14. Before the Empire Of Alexander The Great, there was the Persian Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, NOT a Palestine State. 16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there was the Kingdoms of Isreal and Judah, NOT a Palestine State. 17. Before the Kingdoms of Isreal and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Isreal, NOT a Palestine State. 18. Before the Kingdom Of Isreal, there was the Therocracy of the Twelve Tribes of Isreal, NOT a Palestine State. 19. Before the Therocracy of the Twelve Tribes Of Isreal, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite City Kingdoms, NOT a Palestine State. In all its history THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A PALESTINE STATE but this piece of land has been under the rule of and been occupied by various rulers and kingdoms.
@@newcovenantguy610The Israeli/US government corruption runs very deep. It must be investigated NOW. IT MUST END. The PARASITIC, divisive, hateful, race baiting, stupid, irresponsible, brainwashing, deceitful, manipulative, delusional, vindictive, ruinous, and ANTI-AMERICAN mainstream US mass media comes after the very HISTORY of this once great nation. They disguise themselves as the opposite of what they truly are BY COMING AFTER YOUR GUNS AND THE CONFEDERATE STATUES/MONUMENTS. In fact, OPEN BORDERS Joe has got to go. The mainstream US mass media is a domestic and an international terrorist. WE are losing OUR country. WE are losing OUR rights and OUR freedoms. Expect things in general IN THE USA to continue to get worse and worse and worse !!!! (Stupid does as stupid is.) Welcome to THE NEW COLONIALISM. Israeli Joe has got to go. Corruption rules the day in the USA. Netanyahu is a war criminal, AND he is thoroughly corrupt. He's delusional and stupid. He's going to lose. Biden is corrupt and senile, AS he is the message: We control you. Psycho Joe has got to go. By AMERICAN humanitarian and patriot Frank Martin DiMeglio
Professor Avi Schlaim is an honest man in his statement about the difference between anti-semitism and anti-zionism, not one word wrong about it. However, the world is blind to see this difference and follows the non-religious organisation called zionists. Zionism is a political organisation and should never been the ruler of the holy land of Palestine, this land should be ruled by a religious group which include Muslims, Jews and Christians. The group would need to have the basic principle that each of its members are equal and respect eachother. Politics have failed for centuries, why is it impossible to learn from history.
No, "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free" cannot be only understood as a call for freedom between the river and the sea, because they say "PALESTINE", and not "PALESTINE AND ISRAEL" will be free.
Prior to the zionist project getting underway in the early 20th century, Jews, Muslims and Christians did live peacefully together. It was the cancer of zionism that ended that tolerant society.
@@MarinaUgandaOf course it can be taken in context of freedom for all those who live in the land of Palestine. It is the apartheid, racist state of Israel that has never permitted the Palestinian people to have that freedom, and equal rights. They have carried out ethnic cleansing from the beginning, fully intending to clear the land of every last Palestinian. Palestine should never have been carved up piecemeal, but it was a deliberate tactic, to separate the Palestinian territory and therefore the people, and to gradually take more, and more land over the following decades.
@@MarinaUganda "Palestine" includes Jewish Palestinians. "Palestine" is inclusive, regardless of religion, unlike Israel, which exists to privilege Jews over Christians and Muslims.
We were also against the apartheid state of South Africa. Does that mean we were anti-white? No. Just means we were against the horrible treatment of part of the population.
From the River to the Sea, God gave the land to Israel, you see? “On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates-” Genesis 15:18 “Every place on which the sole of your foot treads shall be yours: from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the River Euphrates, even to the Western Sea, shall be your territory.” Deuteronomy 11:24 “After the death of Moses the servant of the Lord, it came to pass that the Lord spoke to Joshua the son of Nun, Moses’ assistant, saying: “Moses My servant is dead. Now therefore, arise, go over this Jordan, you and all this people, to the land which I am giving to them-the children of Israel. Every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon I have given you, as I said to Moses. From the wilderness and this Lebanon as far as the great river, the River Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and to the Great Sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your territory.” Joshua 1:1-4
@@newcovenantguy610lmao Israel kills Palestinian Christians according to the New Testament Jews have the blood of Jesus in their hands! Imagine siding with them! Using the bible as a wrapping to commit atrocities surely we haven’t seen that before!
They claim to have a direct line of contact to God but they denied Jesus the son of God. They chose Barrabas over Jesus. Barrabas a thief and a murderer. History repeats. Zionist Israel will end.
I know Bro. What irritates me is that an Arab is accused of anti-Semitism when he criticizes the Nazionists/occupying power. Semitic languages are spoken by Arabs, Israelis, Aramaeans, Maltese, as well as several language groups in Ethiopia and even Eritrea. Accordingly, an Ethiopian who speaks a Semitic language would also have to be an anti-Semite if he criticized the Eritrean government.
I applaud and respect the candor of Professor Avi Shlaim on the inarguable FACTS regarding hypocrisies on the subjects of anti-semitism and anti-zionism. Notably, another fact rarely ever acknowledged--let alone discussed--about the phrase "anti-semitism" is that it's a misnomer. Historically the Semites were Arab. Ergo, the phrase "anti-semitism" thereby really means anti-Arab (which Jews are not).
Yes, but the term was "popularized" by a German agitator (Wilhelm Marr) in mid-19th century and directed specifically at Jews living in Germany (and Europe, to an extent). Paradoxically, Marr was married 4 times, out of which 3 to Jewish women.
Anti-Semitism is something that has lived for centuries among all European folks from east to west Europe. ( from Russia to Holland) It's a European invention and not a Muslim. All pogroms that happened in medieval Europe against Jews were a result of envy and jealousy because of Jews's success and wealth. What they did in WW2, not only in Germany but in all Europa countries is the cause of the current Palestinian problem.
European antisemitism being a product of envy is a myth. Following The Great Kanto Earthquake of 1923 the Japanese massacred Korean residents (of which I am immensely ashamed), who hardly belonged to any privileged or affluent groy.
Everything Avi explained that Israel is doing WILL LEAD to real antisemitism... as always during history - it always happened when jews crossed the line because they know no lines... because they can't be opposed... it's literally part of their religion...
@@ealter95Interesting how you lump British colonialial influence under exclusively proprietary Islamic backwardness. Could you elaborate how and why Renan and Chamberlain equated Jews and Muslims as a variation of the same theme (both as followers of Islam and Judaism) with Jews and Arabs as peoples to be engulfed into inferior Semitic race that prongs into Moses' line - Jews and Muhamed's line Arabs?
Finally someone explained the true situation, finally!! All the information out there is completely wrong. People jump on what ever band wagon that fits their narrative and runs with it. The world is a hot mess and nothing is being done to make it livable for any one. Very sad and terrifying at the same time.💔
❤❤❤Avi shlaim should be allowed to speak in UK parliament in fact it should be mandatory for every parliamentarian to listen to him speak the truth Mr Shlaim you are a wonderful person 1 in a million god bless you the truth must be heard ❤
Professor Shlaim would not be enjoyed by most jews I know or have ever known, and that troubles me a lot. We hear here a calm demeanor and a thoughtful intellect, and I have many vivid recollections of Jewish Life in Israel, New York, London and Texas (the odd one amongst the bunch?), where reactionary angry intolerant toxic people rule the roost. What are we to do? I engage these “types” wherever I am, and after many years I’m tired and worse for having done so, but I continue to fight the good fight anyhow.
“ Thank you! The International Criminal Court (ICC) should charge Israel for genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes and apartheid. The ICC charged Russia four days after Russia started the war in Ukraine. Why is it taking so long for the ICC to charge Israel?” Justice for Palestinians. 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
the United States is directly involved in masterminding the Israeli war on Gaza, stressing that the Tel Aviv regime is the real loser of the aggression against the besieged strip.
You Sir are a true Hero..... however.. Truth is uncomfortable and will not be tolerated.....you will be silenced and demonized. Humbled by your astute explanations
The speech is beautiful and well expressed, BUT I want to report some facts. In 1920, long before the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, and long before the establishment of the state of Israel, there was already virulent anti-Semitism from the Palestinian Arabs towards the Jews. There was no distinction between Jews and Zionists. They were the same thing to them, and it is documented. On April 4, 1920, the mayor of Jerusalem, Musa Qasim al-Husayni, made the crowd swear to be ready to shed its blood for Palestine. 'Arif al-‘Arif, director of "Suriyya al-Janubiyya," declared: "If we do not resort to force against Zionists and Jews, we will never get rid of them." And the crowd chanted "Nashrab dam al-Yahud" - "We will drink the blood of the Jews." On February 27, 1920, the chief administrative officer of the OETA, Louis Bols, stated in an interview with the Arab daily "Marat al-Sharq" that Britain intended to implement the Balfour Declaration. The interview caused a series of demonstrations, shop closures in protest, petitions, and the spread of badges with slogans such as "Down with Zionism" and "Death to the Jews." On March 8, the news of the evacuation in northern Galilee was greeted with enthusiasm and chants such as: "Palestine is our land and the Jews are our dogs" and "Death to the Jews" (Itbah al-Yahud). As you can see, it was "al-Yahud" and not Zionists, or it was always synonymous. I report this because in my opinion, the same thing is happening today. Yes there are those who rightly criticize the policy of the Israeli state, but many take advantage of the real difference between Zionism and Judaism, hiding a true anti-Semitism.
@@lorraineclark2307 yeh bro, I agree with you ,but the definition of antisemitism is hostility or discrimination against the Jews and not against Arabs despite they have a semitic language In common. Let's say that Semites is an obsolete term that describes ethnic or cultural group of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians and more but the terminology is used as grouping the semiting language.
No, "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free" cannot be only understood as a call for freedom between the river and the sea, because they say "PALESTINE", and not "PALESTINE AND ISRAEL" will be free.
In the Old Testament, we have the example of Melchizedek in Genesis 14:18,19. We see another example in Job - (Job 1:1) Job and Melchizedek were both outside the nation of Israel, and yet they knew God and were saved by Him. Therefore God is no respecter of persons. He does not exclude anyone on the basis of race, class, culture, social background or position. -Acts 10:25-37 - God Is No Respecter of Persons, By Rev Charles Seet, Preached at Life BPC 8am & 11am service, 2016-05-22
this is a direct explanation of something that i have said hundreds of times...yet, for example, Germany is discussing retracting German citizenship from those who openly criticize Israel, and, for the same "sin", deporting anyone who is a legal resident of germany who dares criticize Israel's actions.... one wonders how this could possibly be seen as possible under Germany's very strong constitutional protections, but, Israelis are so quick to sing out:"Oh, the Holocaust! " in 'justification' for any of Israel's many internationally-recognized crimes...
This is not entirely true. One German state does not want to have immigrants that deny the right of Israel's very existence ! That is totally justified that Germany from all places does not want to have folks that want to destroy the only Jewish state altogether. That is not the same as criticizing specific Israeli politics.
This is the same way they they gradually made only ashkenazi’s semites. Islamophobia is more relative to the Arab people and not the Muslim religion! That should still be considered antisemitism.
In European racist nomenclature take Ernst Renan for example, Jews and Muslims (adherents to Judaism and Islam) are lumped together with Jews and Arabs as peoples and alltogether cobbled as a inferior Semitic race bifurcating into Mosaic Semites-Jews and Muhamedian Semites - Arabs. This division started first as the linguistic category in the early 19th century and got cemented as the racial one by its end. After Jews were accepted into Western secular normativity after WW2, the term anti-Semitism stuck for a pathological hatred of Jews exclusively, while its application to Muslims and Arabs is watered down and camouflaged by a nonsense BS term Islamophobia.
There is no way that Palestine can ever get a state with the settlements . The West Bank is so chopped up now into little islands that a self governing autonomous state could never exist. It would be like a dozen Gazas. This would lead to evermore extremism and violence by the Palestinians since no people can live in such a restricted society for long without rebelling. I can’t imagine any Israeli being happy having their rights stripped from them.
@@halofreak1990 the Germans were defeated in WW2. The Allies realized that to prevent another world war it was best not to subjugate and appropriate the land of the defeated party. And it worked Gemrany is not longer a Nazi country. What you want is that Israel exercises the “Right of Conquest”. This principle has been much abandoned in international law. So your argument of “ too bad” is an outdated idea which just leads to continued wars. So how is your “too bad” principle working out?
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Jajajaja it first started as a linguistic category differentiating proto-Indo-European and Semitic languages than by the end of the 19th century was cemented as racial division into Proto-Indo-Europeans/Aryans and Semites. Funny how H.S. Chamberlain and Ernst Renan lumped Jews and Arabs into two branches of inferior Semites.
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This gentle soul. He warms my heart whenever I hear him speak
His hair though is over
He is just as gentle and sweet in person. It was a privilege to study at Oxford under his influence.
@@UnbeknownToHisdon't be obsurd, he's got a good head of hair.... unlike nutty yahoo comb over... 😂🇮🇱💩👍
I could listen to him speak for hours, soothing, calm, clearly intelligent, amazing.
A bright man.
@@unggrabb Well said, accurate.
“Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.”
― George Orwell, 1984
Thank you for a great presentation.
Thank you professor Shlaim. You are always a voice of reason. I love listening to you, you are a gem.
To listen to such a calm , educated scholar explaining exactly what is happening is wonderful . Due to the many facts Professor Avi Shlaim explains so perfectly has me realising that an Orwellian nightmare is well under way The sooner this is stopped the better .Thank you for such a talk. No violence , no aggression , simply a quiet statement of facts .
I,too, have noticed how calm and educated express their point of view, the jews that support Palestinian cause and from the other side, how hysterically and nervously the pro is rael supporters.
The Zionists have tried to destroy lives with their gaslighting, pretending they are one in the same.
Yes - amazing how the facts are twisted by the detractors and misinformation to rationalize a continuation of oppression and apartheid by the Israeli Government against a people who have been recognized by the United Nations but rejected by it's occupier.
He’s a Hamas supporter
@@balle733 you're a fa's ist supporter ))
This is a lucid and cogent presentation of a rational, critical and humane analysis of Israel as an ethno-nationalist state. He does not shy away from describing this as a "racist" state. Prof. Avi Shlaim is a very decent, public intellectual. He is Jewish himself and an eminent academic at Oxford. Great thanks.
That's why you don't here other ethno-nationalist countries like Australia, New Zealand and yes the US of A on the side of Pallestine, they don't want to be the next one line
Thank you for explaining the unfair position of the civilized world.
@@koekum but those countries are not currently committing genocide apartheid 😮 🇮🇱💩👍
Love that people come together to call against injustice and oppression.
And are making great rounds to and successfully shut down their fabricated lies.
Thank you for explaining it so well professor.
This man needs to speak to americas beloved congress..
Spot on!!!!
Instead of having a spy like Mosab speaking in the UN
We live around bunch of 🤡 🤡
The supreme law of the US - the Constitution - stipulates it shall respect no religion, yet; the very claimants of the US as being a Christian nation see no correlation between this ^ claim and their unswerving devotion to Old Testament verses saying things such as 'God loves the nation that loves Israel' (obviously I'm paraphrasing).
Israel ceased to exist when the Lord got utterly furious in how the Israelites continually behaved & disobeyed Him, allowing Rome to cause the diaspora, ransacking the temple & taking it's contents as spoil.
- The Palestinians didn't do this, the Israelites did it to themselves.
Are we, then as a 'Christian nation', in fact, a Theocracy - bent on consistent fealty to another Theocracy - Zionist Israel, with it's flag everywhere, portraying an occultic symbol, instead of, say, banners showing Torah scrolls?
One reason ignorant Americans hate Iran is because it is a Theocracy, no?
Long before Palestine was invaded by Poland, it was Christian Zionists beating the drums for statehood for Europeans to colonize - the Palestinians were obstacles for Christian Zionists.
In the 1800s it was common for Christian Zionists to make 'pilgrimages' to the Holy land.
Not one of them knew it was a Muslim Palestinian family whose job it was to unlock the huge door to the most important Christian church in all Palestine, caretaking the key within a sole family of ancient origin.
A slender young man would unlock the opening within the door with that 400AD key, opening the door for worship from the inside.
I place the blame squarely at the feet of ignorant(?) American pastors, who taught & still teach their flocks that the popular tours of the Holy Land of the OT is for Jews, when since the Romans sacked the temple in 70 AD - causing the expulsion of those Jews.
The Ashkenazi of today are mostly atheist. The Sephardic Jews are the real deal, folks, and they were coerced into moving to Palestine.
The Poles treated the Jew(ish) inhabitants just as badly as they did the native Muslims, Druze and Christians.
Atheist Zionist Israelis fervently dislike Torah Jews. They feel Torah Jews make them look old-fashioned, not militant.
Anyway, entire Cheistian towns were bombed, burned, you name it, the inhabitants murdered or run off in 1948, not only the publicized Islamists.
Why did the JNF use tree-planting as one benefit from the donations?
Trees block images of foundations, property lines & ancient paths from view.
'parks' are created on stolen land & properties until settlements can be built.
Entire
British government is responsible for the current situation in Palestine as history indicates. They should unequivocally apologise to the people of Palestine. In fact they Britain and all other colonial power should apologise for all the atrocities they have committed during their rule..it will only happen if more and more people start raising the issue
Along with the US because let's face it the US is nothing but an extension of British rule. The British empire is long gone and the same fate awaits the US. The US has been in decline for years now and continues down a steep slope.
Well said mate👍.
And if there is one thing that the Palestinians are experts on, it’s atrocities.
Eff off, The league of nations created the modern state of Israel.
The hatred of its Jewish people perpetuates violence.
Should the greeks and italians apologise as well? What about the ottoman empire?
Or perhaps the persians should to?
Oh how about the vikings?
Exactly. What I have studied for many years is now all coming to a head now. Ty so much for your clear and precise assessment of facts Professor Shlaim. We have PASSED the numbers of the Nakbah of 1948. Time to wake up everyone!
Please share this video. The whole world need to know!
Please read history:
1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, NOT a Palestine State.
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, NOT a Palestine State.
3. Before The Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic State of Mamluks of Egypt, NOT a Palestine State.
4. Before the Islamic State Of Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish empire, NOT a Palestine State.
5. Before the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, NOT a Palestine State.
6. Before the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was Umyyad and Fatimid Empires, NOT a Palestine State.
7. Before the Umyyad and Fatimid Empires, there was the Byzantine Empire, NOT a Palestine State.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Sassanids Empire, NOT a Palestine State.
9. Before the Sassanids Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, NOT a Palestine State.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, NOT a Palestine State.
11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean State, NOT a Palestine State.
12. Before the Hasmonean State, there was the Seleucid Empire, NOT a Palestine State.
13. Before the Seleucid Empire, there was the Empire Of Alexander The Great, NOT a Palestine State.
14. Before the Empire Of Alexander The Great, there was the Persian Empire, NOT a Palestine State.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, NOT a Palestine State.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there was the Kingdoms of Isreal and Judah, NOT a Palestine State.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Isreal and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Isreal, NOT a Palestine State.
18. Before the Kingdom Of Isreal, there was the Therocracy of the Twelve Tribes of Isreal, NOT a Palestine State.
19. Before the Therocracy of the Twelve Tribes Of Isreal, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite City Kingdoms, NOT a Palestine State.
In all its history THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A PALESTINE STATE but this piece of land has been under the rule of and been occupied by various rulers and kingdoms.
After so much writings.. the land is NOT & NEVER a Israel state too.
It's 2023 we aren't in the dark ages although some psychopaths wish to take us back there.
@@newcovenantguy610 So youre a nationalist who buts the wants of a nation higher than the human rights.
@@newcovenantguy610The Israeli/US government corruption runs very deep. It must be investigated NOW. IT MUST END.
The PARASITIC, divisive, hateful, race baiting, stupid, irresponsible, brainwashing, deceitful, manipulative, delusional, vindictive, ruinous, and ANTI-AMERICAN mainstream US mass media comes after the very HISTORY of this once great nation. They disguise themselves as the opposite of what they truly are BY COMING AFTER YOUR GUNS AND THE CONFEDERATE STATUES/MONUMENTS. In fact, OPEN BORDERS Joe has got to go. The mainstream US mass media is a domestic and an international terrorist. WE are losing OUR country. WE are losing OUR rights and OUR freedoms. Expect things in general IN THE USA to continue to get worse and worse and worse !!!! (Stupid does as stupid is.) Welcome to THE NEW COLONIALISM. Israeli Joe has got to go. Corruption rules the day in the USA. Netanyahu is a war criminal, AND he is thoroughly corrupt. He's delusional and stupid. He's going to lose. Biden is corrupt and senile, AS he is the message: We control you. Psycho Joe has got to go.
By AMERICAN humanitarian and patriot Frank Martin DiMeglio
Professor Avi Schlaim is an honest man in his statement about the difference between anti-semitism and anti-zionism, not one word wrong about it. However, the world is blind to see this difference and follows the non-religious organisation called zionists. Zionism is a political organisation and should never been the ruler of the holy land of Palestine, this land should be ruled by a religious group which include Muslims, Jews and Christians. The group would need to have the basic principle that each of its members are equal and respect eachother. Politics have failed for centuries, why is it impossible to learn from history.
Ruled by the people of the book so they can persecute the buddists, taoists, janists and atheists? Why not ruled by non-racist, secular society?
No, "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free" cannot be only understood as a call for freedom between the river and the sea, because they say "PALESTINE", and not "PALESTINE AND ISRAEL" will be free.
Prior to the zionist project getting underway in the early 20th century, Jews, Muslims and Christians did live peacefully together. It was the cancer of zionism that ended that tolerant society.
@@MarinaUgandaOf course it can be taken in context of freedom for all those who live in the land of Palestine. It is the apartheid, racist state of Israel that has never permitted the Palestinian people to have that freedom, and equal rights. They have carried out ethnic cleansing from the beginning, fully intending to clear the land of every last Palestinian. Palestine should never have been carved up piecemeal, but it was a deliberate tactic, to separate the Palestinian territory and therefore the people, and to gradually take more, and more land over the following decades.
@@MarinaUganda "Palestine" includes Jewish Palestinians. "Palestine" is inclusive, regardless of religion, unlike Israel, which exists to privilege Jews over Christians and Muslims.
From the river to the sea - both shall live free.
That would be true if Israel was one state - Arabs can live in Israel and be free and equal. But Jews are not allowed in Palestine.
Well explained. Justice for Palestine🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Hey! He's my creator too! Don't be so exclusive, I feel embarrassed, it's unwoke wallah
One state solution
From the river to the sea
A democratic state where every citizen has a vote
Thank you for educating us 🙌🏻 free Palestine 🇵🇸
Prof Avi is a very wise man, the world needs more of him, but the likes of him will never lust for power
Very BRAVE and CLEAR. SHARE this widely ☮️ please
We were also against the apartheid state of South Africa. Does that mean we were anti-white? No. Just means we were against the horrible treatment of part of the population.
Exactly. I'd say I'm fairly Right wing but I'm I'm not and never will be a white supremacist.
From the river to the sea, Prayers for freedom, liberation, equality, and dignity and peace for the Palestinian people 🙏
From the River to the Sea, God gave the land to Israel, you see?
“On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates-”
Genesis 15:18
“Every place on which the sole of your foot treads shall be yours: from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the River Euphrates, even to the Western Sea, shall be your territory.”
Deuteronomy 11:24
“After the death of Moses the servant of the Lord, it came to pass that the Lord spoke to Joshua the son of Nun, Moses’ assistant, saying: “Moses My servant is dead. Now therefore, arise, go over this Jordan, you and all this people, to the land which I am giving to them-the children of Israel. Every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon I have given you, as I said to Moses. From the wilderness and this Lebanon as far as the great river, the River Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and to the Great Sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your territory.”
Joshua 1:1-4
Nigga that’s just gonna lead to a massacre
@@newcovenantguy610lmao Israel kills Palestinian Christians according to the New Testament Jews have the blood of Jesus in their hands! Imagine siding with them! Using the bible as a wrapping to commit atrocities surely we haven’t seen that before!
@@newcovenantguy610 why should we believe this??? the land is for for both people, wake up.
They claim to have a direct line of contact to God but they denied Jesus the son of God. They chose Barrabas over Jesus. Barrabas a thief and a murderer.
History repeats. Zionist Israel will end.
Thank you Professor for your excellent and expert thoughts..
Facts and truth so eloquently put.
This man speaks the truth. There are very orthodox rabbis who are antizionists. They even go as far as saying zionism is a sin against yhwy.
Some many people know the truth and yet the rest choses not to listen to it…
Thank you, Professor Shlaim!
God bless you Avi Shlaim.
-the right of return of the displaved refugees of ‘48
-End on the israeli Occupation
-Equal rights for Palestinians citizens
Professor Shlaim is decent, honest and a man of integrity. Thank you for standing for justice❤❤❤❤❤
Most people I know would do well to listen to this man and realise this vital difference!
PLEASE get this totally correct, precise explanation of the problem out to the world
Thank You. All people must work to stop anyone from violating other people's Human Rights.
We must all stop voting for Labour and the Tories and give our votes to humanitarian parties like the Greens instead.
In Germany you are also an anti-Semite if you say that Netanyahu has big ears.
😂😂😂
@@balidjoplayerand UT suspended me 1 day for saying Zionist spokesperson rejjgev has satleet dizz ears.
How about if you say that Bibi as Askhenazi has no DNA connection to the Levant?
BTW, Palestinians are also Semitic
I know Bro.
What irritates me is that an Arab is accused of anti-Semitism when he criticizes the Nazionists/occupying power. Semitic languages are spoken by Arabs, Israelis, Aramaeans, Maltese, as well as several language groups in Ethiopia and even Eritrea. Accordingly, an Ethiopian who speaks a Semitic language would also have to be an anti-Semite if he criticized the Eritrean government.
Spot on Proff.
They would say he is a self-hating Jew. This man is a scholar of high caliber and speaks from experience.
I applaud and respect the candor of Professor Avi Shlaim on the inarguable FACTS regarding hypocrisies on the subjects of anti-semitism and anti-zionism. Notably, another fact rarely ever acknowledged--let alone discussed--about the phrase "anti-semitism" is that it's a misnomer. Historically the Semites were Arab. Ergo, the phrase "anti-semitism" thereby really means anti-Arab (which Jews are not).
A must listen for all.
Palestinians also belong to semitic people
I bet this will come as a shock for those who love to throw here and there the antisemitic rhetoric 😁
True, Palestinian Arabs are Semites like Jews, just a different ethnic group.
Yes, but the term was "popularized" by a German agitator (Wilhelm Marr) in mid-19th century and directed specifically at Jews living in Germany (and Europe, to an extent). Paradoxically, Marr was married 4 times, out of which 3 to Jewish women.
Muitos palestinos são descendentes dos antigos israelitas bíblico e esses europeus querem apagar essa etnia para ficar no lugar deles
And Arabs
Anti-Semitism is something that has lived for centuries among all European folks from east to west Europe. ( from Russia to Holland) It's a European invention and not a Muslim. All pogroms that happened in medieval Europe against Jews were a result of envy and jealousy because of Jews's success and wealth. What they did in WW2, not only in Germany but in all Europa countries is the cause of the current Palestinian problem.
European antisemitism being a product of envy is a myth. Following The Great Kanto Earthquake of 1923 the Japanese massacred Korean residents (of which I am immensely ashamed), who hardly belonged to any privileged or affluent groy.
Why don’t you Google his biography and see whether that’s really true. Also Google “Farhud”
Everything Avi explained that Israel is doing WILL LEAD to real antisemitism... as always during history - it always happened when jews crossed the line because they know no lines... because they can't be opposed... it's literally part of their religion...
@@ealter95Interesting how you lump British colonialial influence under exclusively proprietary Islamic backwardness.
Could you elaborate how and why Renan and Chamberlain equated Jews and Muslims as a variation of the same theme (both as followers of Islam and Judaism) with Jews and Arabs as peoples to be engulfed into inferior Semitic race that prongs into Moses' line - Jews and Muhamed's line Arabs?
@@sylvestercatus4921 Ernest Renan? I have no idea what you’re taking about
Very honest intellectual, great knowledge. God bless you 🙏
Finally someone explained the true situation, finally!! All the information out there is completely wrong. People jump on what ever band wagon that fits their narrative and runs with it. The world is a hot mess and nothing is being done to make it livable for any one. Very sad and terrifying at the same time.💔
Free Palestine inshaallah soon inshaallah
His new book “Three Worlds: Memoirs of an Arab Jew” is a very good read.
❤❤❤Avi shlaim should be allowed to speak in UK parliament in fact it should be mandatory for every parliamentarian to listen to him speak the truth Mr Shlaim you are a wonderful person 1 in a million god bless you the truth must be heard ❤
Those who join any group are a blight upon the path. Be yourself.
Such clarity
Wise words from Professor Avi Shlaim.
Fool. That’s a singular wise word.
The world would not be at war if world leaders were at Avi's level.
i enjoyed listening to this gentleman and how truthful he really is
Spot on sir 👍👌💯💐🕊️
Well said
❤teach Professor well done and may God bless you amen ❤
Thank you for the learning, Prof. I needed this.
Thanks for giving us dear Avi Sh'laim.
Voice of wisdom.
This video needs more views and I am sharing it, but.... how do we make that happen?!
It's not complicated, it's very simple. Essentially, it's being against the policy of failing to be excellent to each other.
This adventure through time has taken a most serious turn.
What a star! Thank you sir!✨🙌🏾💪🏾💪🏾✨
Thank You Professor.
From the Qur’an
to 🇮🇱 criminals, oppressors, and aggressors
( Satan will say Do not blame me blame yourselves i can't save you)
This clarifies so much....thank you.
Nice. This guys a duuuude. Sums it all up, stop on..👍🇵🇸
Thank you!
Need a law biding government in the UK....
Professor Shlaim would not be enjoyed by most jews I know or have ever known, and that troubles me a lot. We hear here a calm demeanor and a thoughtful intellect, and I have many vivid recollections of Jewish Life in Israel, New York, London and Texas (the odd one amongst the bunch?), where reactionary angry intolerant toxic people rule the roost.
What are we to do? I engage these “types” wherever I am, and after many years I’m tired and worse for having done so, but I continue to fight the good fight anyhow.
I still think the age when the state emancipated itself from religion was a ‘secular state’ are coming to an end.
“ Thank you! The International Criminal Court (ICC) should charge Israel for genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes and apartheid. The ICC charged Russia four days after Russia started the war in Ukraine. Why is it taking so long for the ICC to charge Israel?” Justice for Palestinians. 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
the United States is directly involved in masterminding the Israeli war on Gaza, stressing that the Tel Aviv regime is the real loser of the aggression against the besieged strip.
Bravo a great and much needed clarification ! I have met many Jewish people who have made clear the very same clarification!
Ok now i officially think he was the voice over for Winnie the Pooh, his voice is so soft yet well spoken.
You Sir are a true Hero..... however.. Truth is uncomfortable and will not be tolerated.....you will be silenced and demonized. Humbled by your astute explanations
Thank you
The speech is beautiful and well expressed, BUT I want to report some facts. In 1920, long before the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, and long before the establishment of the state of Israel, there was already virulent anti-Semitism from the Palestinian Arabs towards the Jews. There was no distinction between Jews and Zionists. They were the same thing to them, and it is documented. On April 4, 1920, the mayor of Jerusalem, Musa Qasim al-Husayni, made the crowd swear to be ready to shed its blood for Palestine. 'Arif al-‘Arif, director of "Suriyya al-Janubiyya," declared: "If we do not resort to force against Zionists and Jews, we will never get rid of them." And the crowd chanted "Nashrab dam al-Yahud" - "We will drink the blood of the Jews." On February 27, 1920, the chief administrative officer of the OETA, Louis Bols, stated in an interview with the Arab daily "Marat al-Sharq" that Britain intended to implement the Balfour Declaration. The interview caused a series of demonstrations, shop closures in protest, petitions, and the spread of badges with slogans such as "Down with Zionism" and "Death to the Jews." On March 8, the news of the evacuation in northern Galilee was greeted with enthusiasm and chants such as: "Palestine is our land and the Jews are our dogs" and "Death to the Jews" (Itbah al-Yahud). As you can see, it was "al-Yahud" and not Zionists, or it was always synonymous. I report this because in my opinion, the same thing is happening today. Yes there are those who rightly criticize the policy of the Israeli state, but many take advantage of the real difference between Zionism and Judaism, hiding a true anti-Semitism.
One correction. Arabs are also Semitic.
@@lorraineclark2307 yeh bro, I agree with you ,but the definition of antisemitism is hostility or discrimination against the Jews and not against Arabs despite they have a semitic language In common. Let's say that Semites is an obsolete term that describes ethnic or cultural group of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians and more but the terminology is used as grouping the semiting language.
@@BillTetrazde that’s only because they THINK they are special, which they are not.
Accusing one complaining that loathing everything Zionist is antisemitic is like accusing someone who hate(d) Mussolini as hating Roman catholics!
you don't have to "explain the difference" between red and blue. It's right there in the name
BRAVO...SHALOM PROFESSOR ...SALAM ..
Amazing guy..salute
Greatly defined.
if there are people in need of an explanation about these two concepts...we are doomed
It's about time someone clarifies the difference between semitism and zionism... Thanks!
People always forget that Palestinians are themselves a semitic people.
Great job
Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
No, "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free" cannot be only understood as a call for freedom between the river and the sea, because they say "PALESTINE", and not "PALESTINE AND ISRAEL" will be free.
Israel IS a British /US colony in the Middle East
אבי שליים היקר אתה גם גאון וגם אמיץ באדם
אני מאד גאה בך...מוני יקים אנטיציוני
In the Old Testament, we have the example of Melchizedek in Genesis 14:18,19. We see another example in Job - (Job 1:1) Job and Melchizedek were both outside the nation of Israel, and yet they knew God and were saved by Him.
Therefore God is no respecter of persons. He does not exclude anyone on the basis of race, class, culture, social background or position. -Acts 10:25-37 - God Is No Respecter of Persons, By Rev Charles Seet, Preached at Life BPC 8am & 11am service, 2016-05-22
Hear hear!
Bravo
I tried to share this to FB but FB doesn't let me. 😅
Tq prof .... clarifying the difference between anti semitism and anti zionism ..
All we give you!!..and now you spit on us ✝️
Любой нормальный человек, любой религии и национальности, является антисионистом !
Anti Zionist
Anti imperial
Anti colonial
this is a direct explanation of something that i have said hundreds of times...yet, for example, Germany is discussing retracting German citizenship from those who openly criticize Israel, and, for the same "sin", deporting anyone who is a legal resident of germany who dares criticize Israel's actions.... one wonders how this could possibly be seen as possible under Germany's very strong constitutional protections, but, Israelis are so quick to sing out:"Oh, the Holocaust! " in 'justification' for any of Israel's many internationally-recognized crimes...
This is not entirely true. One German state does not want to have immigrants that deny the right of Israel's very existence ! That is totally justified that Germany from all places does not want to have folks that want to destroy the only Jewish state altogether.
That is not the same as criticizing specific Israeli politics.
@@iska788but Israel does indeed not have a right to exist. No nation does
This is the same way they they gradually made only ashkenazi’s semites. Islamophobia is more relative to the Arab people and not the Muslim religion! That should still be considered antisemitism.
Arabs jews are semitics they can consider the same race
In European racist nomenclature take Ernst Renan for example, Jews and Muslims (adherents to Judaism and Islam) are lumped together with Jews and Arabs as peoples and alltogether cobbled as a inferior Semitic race bifurcating into Mosaic Semites-Jews and Muhamedian Semites - Arabs. This division started first as the linguistic category in the early 19th century and got cemented as the racial one by its end. After Jews were accepted into Western secular normativity after WW2, the term anti-Semitism stuck for a pathological hatred of Jews exclusively, while its application to Muslims and Arabs is watered down and camouflaged by a nonsense BS term Islamophobia.
AIPAC .......
Educated people be like this
There is no way that Palestine can ever get a state with the settlements . The West Bank is so chopped up now into little islands that a self governing autonomous state could never exist. It would be like a dozen Gazas. This would lead to evermore extremism and violence by the Palestinians since no people can live in such a restricted society for long without rebelling. I can’t imagine any Israeli being happy having their rights stripped from them.
"I can’t imagine any Israeli being happy having their rights stripped from them."
Too bad. They should've stayed within the 1967 borders.
@@halofreak1990 the Germans were defeated in WW2. The Allies realized that to prevent another world war it was best not to subjugate and appropriate the land of the defeated party. And it worked Gemrany is not longer a Nazi country. What you want is that Israel exercises the “Right of Conquest”. This principle has been much abandoned in international law.
So your argument of “ too bad” is an outdated idea which just leads to continued wars. So how is your “too bad” principle working out?
When the boycott divest and sanctions is trictly enforced by countries the potential is there to solve problems without resorting to the militaryvprocess where human lives arexlost
Of course the powerful armaments lobby will oppose thei vehemently
There should a strategy worked outto ti reward countries which adopt this system
This wise old Oompa-Loompa makes a lot of sense 🤔
Jajaja semitism ? these people who do they think they are? Semitism IS NOT A RACE. It's a tongue !
Jajajaja it first started as a linguistic category differentiating proto-Indo-European and Semitic languages than by the end of the 19th century was cemented as racial division into Proto-Indo-Europeans/Aryans and Semites. Funny how H.S. Chamberlain and Ernst Renan lumped Jews and Arabs into two branches of inferior Semites.