Here's the Problem with Going to E85.. I couldn't have predicted this..
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- I give you both the good and the bad with moving towards E85 in your modern performance ride. Some of this was really unexpected.
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The first step in making ethanol is they take corn, sugar and yeast to make beer. Then distill it two to three times to get the concentrated alcohol. My problem is I always stop at the beer process🤣👍
Love your vids. Keep'em coming
Technically it’s not beer, it’s whiskey mash
😂😂
I agree, 100%
Love your vids. They are so knowledgeable every single time. I’ve learn a lot from your vids. Thanks Racer X for the great content. Keep it up and don’t stop what your doing.
Thank you Justin
Always great content Thx X
Great informative video. Definitely a lot to consider when making the switch.
Making an informed decision on E85 and this video helped a lot! Thanks!
Good info shared, thanks for the vid. I am reconsidering the E85 option bc of your video.
Flex fuel tunes is a must on daily drivers
What’s weird to me is my Chevy impala LTZ 2016 took flex fuel and my 2018 challenger gt doesn’t stock on both obviously both 3.6 v6 engines at that too.
@@ByJigglyPuff why is that weird?
Running E85, Longtubes, and cold air in my 18 A10 GT. The car really wakes up with E and is so much fun! Honestly, fuck the warranty!😎
Thanks for this vid bro! I really didn't know alot about E85! 🤣🤣🤣
Who else was paying $35 and now paying $50 to fill the tank? (RT owner)
My srt8 takes 93 and now it costs a fortune to fill up
We new it would happen under Democrap it’s gonna get worse
supply and demand, you need to stop listening to Fox news.
@@jaybman2700 literally the gas prices go up every year 🤣🤣🤣 y'all people kill me
Gas prices aren’t made up by a president you dorks
I appreciate the science and research 🔬 behind it 💯 we notice that effort
Awesome video, thanks for this!
Your the man !! Love your vids
Thanks buddy 👍
Thanks for this explanation on e85 Racer X , man there is a lot to think about when building a high tech performance car / truck . Cheers
Your absolutely right MIke.. agreed
I was just about to type in flex fuel right before you said it. Great video there’s some good info here.
Great video! It was a freak storm maybe everything will be back to normal in a month or two
I've been running E85 in my F2 Procharged 427SBC '69 Camaro for 5+ years now. Where I live in California the ethanol content always runs about 90%. My car sat last year for close to 6 months as I was changing the intake and adding a water to air intercooler which made me change a bunch of other things. The car fired up and ran with no issues after sitting for 6 months. Before that it would only sit for 6 weeks at the longest. I've found that most of the people talking about the horrors of E85 have never run it.
Also, E85 fuel is hygroscopic, it's water being absorbed in the fuel through the vent that is the actual concern. E85 alone isn't going to separate. Most modern vehicle have sealed fuel systems that vent back into the intake or through the charcoal canister. I think most of the anti E-blend propaganda came from the oil industry.
@@coltonmcclure1885 I have a vented fuel cell in my car.
Great video. Thank you for the information. I recently tuned for E85, and my 1000HP Hellcat is a monster, but i have a different setup for pump ⛽. I will convert and deconvert according to whether i am racing that week or not.
Great content as always, that does suck you cannot get E85 in your area, when you were able to get
it all over.That's the one thing in southeastern VA., we don't have E85 here or anywhere close, so good
luck finding it, hopefully it will come soon for your Hellcat.
Was currently making this decision (E85/Flex Fuel), thank you! I'm sure everyone feels the same when I say, thank you for keeping after them until they replied! People are crappy when they don't reply
Did you decide to use the 85? How did it work out? Performance issues afterwards? Long term issues?
Love E85 in my Stang. I’ve been running a flex tune for the last 2 years unless I’m at the track. If the mix at the station near me is off or if I’m out in an area that only has 91 I just pump and let the tune adjust. I’ve never had an issue with the tune not adjusting correctly. Can’t wait to get an E85 tune on my Charger.
Great comment. The flex tune works great for 95% of the people that use it.
I have a 2021 scat pack, it came with the 245 tires, what is your opinion of installing the 275/40rz20 tires just in the rear or all four corners, I intend to do an occasional autocross and want more a road race car rather than a dragstrip car. Years ago on my 70 camaro z28 I put wider tires on the rear only and this car. would literally 4 wheel drift under power. The thing that is a problem with wider rear tires is rotating the tires. I respect your opinion. Just for reference, I am 74 years old. My other road car is 89 IROC Z.
I’m just seeing this video, and just subscribing to your channel. Good videos 👍🏾
My question on this, is what if you have two tunes, a 93 Octane and a E85? I’m thinking there would be no issues. I’m currently going through the E85 conversion, switching to the fore innovations return fuel system. I already have the bigger injectors, and a ProCharger supercharger. I basically want to run E85 in the summer and 93 in the winter (or whenever), but basically want the flexibility to switch back and forth whenever I need to. One thing I didn’t know was that it separates after sitting for a week or so. My car also my sit for two weeks without being started, so that was good info there. Thanks!!!
When you mentioned an example about a car being tuned for E70 and the pump ends up being E60 and causing detonation. That alone was enough for me to know I made the right choice doing flex fuel tune rather than a straight ethanol blend tune. Having flex fuel adjustment tables is a must have for inconsistent E85 stations.
I have a 14 Audi A5 2.0T flex fuel. I have a drop in air filter and when I put E85 in it and gun it, it just feels so smooth. The torque is so sudden. The only stations that have it in my area (Inland Empire Southern California) are Shell and 76. It’s provided by Pearson fuels.
I am thinking about switching to e85 on my hellcat, but after watching this video, I am having 2nd thoughts.....Do you think I should just stick with pump gas? I dont drive my car that often, sometimes I can go 2 weeks without taking it out....I am not a track guy, but want something strong on the street.....your opinion matters
Buying a 2013 Buick Regal GS turbo. It's a flex fuel. Will ask buddies here in KC best place to get it. Learned that from you. Thank you. So happy I can go 85 or regular. Job well done explaining
I have a07 Chevy Silverado 4x4 5.3 e85 love it has 312000 miles still strong daily working truck love my truck
Get the ‘Gas buddy’ app Racerx or anyone else who doesn’t know. Its a map app & shows all the gas stations and what they have in stock and the price. You Don’t have to go looking. I think it even has a feature where it will notify you when your favorite gas station gets it re stocked. During the last hurricane here in Florida there wasn’t gas anywhere and it would notify me when it came in to my favorite gas stations. I’d have to run out at 1am to go fill our cars because that gas would be gone by daylight and all stations would be empty again.
There are other sources to make ethanol, like agricultural waste and waste forest wood(in danger of forest fire) . After it is processed into ethanol, the byproduct can be use as feed for processing animals meal or plant and agricultural crops. With careful planning it can create a lot of benefits
Very interesting points. I've all but ruled out making the switch cuz my car is a garage queen so the fuel would break down. Industry needs to figure out the scarcity issue or the market will move on.
Im in the same boat. I just take it out on the weekends and i dont think thats enough driving before it goes bad.
Nice topic Racer X! It s actually a bit weird to not find e85 easily in America. I live now in CA but coming from France and over there, it s the opposite, it s harder and harder to find gasoline and e85 is everywhere and pretty much all cars since 2000 compatible no problem at all. I always wonder why such differences. Take care, Nico
Very informative and honest video! Thanks for clearing some of those facts 👍
Would variable valve timing take care of, say E70 when its supposed to be e85? And is there a way to gain Mpg with e85 ? ive heard its close to 15% less efficient
It's like you read my mind. I purchased a Scat Pack Widebody and was wondering what everyone is running.
Good information.
Mr racersX please make another video of what you think of flex fuel kits. They offer it like a simple plug and play power adder for stock cars and if you have some mods they sell the kit along with bigger injectors they also dyno guaranteed and it can also be added to other fuel applications like 93 tune
Hello i have a question sir, can i install a flex fuel kit in my Bmw 740i, 1995 4.0 v8. Automatic?? And what are the benefits for my vehicle. Whats the cost to do a conversion. The car is in California. Please let me know thanks..
Same here in Houston , murphy has them covered in red bags i was wondering why lol
I have a hellcat Daytona looking to tune. What do you think about flex fuel?
Good information
RacerX, love the channel.
Now with that said,
Could the E85 shortage be due to diversion of Ethanol to the production
of hand sanitizer?
Just a thought.
Tiny, tiny fraction of corn production is used for that purpose.
It’s just a supply channel disruption. There are lots of components in e85, other than ethanol and lots of steps in the process from growing, harvesting, transporting, processing, etc. that are all affected by weather, Covid, etc., etc.
We have an ethanol plant in our town and you have to drive almost an hour for the closest place to get ethanol
E85 at our Murphy station the pump handle that was covered was alcohol free gas
I was under the impression that Murphy reg. Gas had 15 o/o alcohol, is that right which makes it E85
Your referring to E15 actually
E85 is good way to make power. Especially for turbocharged cars.
Paul I gotta make the jump to E85 I'm running 2 pumps and larger braided lines etc with 1250s should I be ok brother?
Just got it at Race Track in Forney yesterday. It's usually around 60%. Cost over $2 /gallon too!!
Great discussion on E85. The amount of diesel fuel used in the planting, care, harvesting, and processing is also substantial. Its not as great for the environment as a lot of people think.
You are spot on. And fortunately for me, as I’m a John Deer Field Tech ! Lol Btw let me add the fact that it’s cheaper only because of government subsidizing it. I’m not anti e85 or anything but people think that it’s something that it’s not
I read somewhere that they thought it would be 25% more eco friendly but recent studies have shown closer to 5%
I watched a video by engineering explain a couple months back so my numbers are probably wrong lol
The farms in Brazil that used sugar cane for ethanol production turned all their diesel into bio engines burning the leftover plant matter and whatever dead animals were left over. I know it’s not the standard for fuel production farms, as most us corn production isn’t just for fuel, but it’s an example that you don’t HAVE to be a fossil burner
@@RyanMcIntyre yea, and in Brazil, they’ve been cutting down the rainforest at an alarming rate, to grow corn to feed to cows that belch and fart methane (a greenhouse gas). Making alcohol also produces Co2 as a byproduct. My first comment was only the tip of the iceberg.
If you're worried about the environment stick to walking.
Hey Racer X have a quick question. I’m ordering Challenger Hellcat Redeye what exhaust would you recommend I add to it?
Don’t forget the 3.09 gear option
You are forgetting about the distillers grain that is produced when an ethanol plant makes E85. Those distillers are feed to livestock. So not all the corn is lost. Also currently our nations corn bushel per acre average is near 180 bu/ acre. We get about 2 1/2 gallon pure ethanol out of a bushel of corn. Plus the distiller feed. Also ethanol plants get more products out of a kernel of corn. Most I have paid for E85 is $2.85/ gallon. Currently $1.93/ gallon. The 2.85 was when regular gas was $4.00 locally. Never had a problem sourcing E85 fuel.
Hey Racer X have you heard of the ProFlex Commander from Advanced Fuel Dynamics. Its an inline fuel sensor and controller that you connect to your spark plugs and you can run any combination of e85 and pump gas on your vehicle.
Yes I have.. some guys have had some issues with those unfortunately. I know 3 different guys that engines grenade themselves because the sensor did not work and the engine went lean. Just something to think about
Hi racer x im Johnny out of SA Tx ok I have a 18 mustang gt premium. It’s on a flex tune by lethal performance of Tx but I got a bank two code .it’s been on 85 for a little over a yr .it’s a in house tune 2” stainless works long T, Hpipe MBRP Axel back . Jlt caí manual too. I’m new to this I need advice in how to solve this ! Plz help sir!shops are so expensive
Hello racerx , I had a request haha , would you ever consider running a dig with the mustang and the 392 , or maybe roll race them side by side ?
E85 didn't work for me
you can run any range of ethanol and gas mixture from 10% - 85% with flex fuel cars. Nice video!
I’ve tested e85 near me and it turns out it’s only 70% ethanol. Is that problematic on an e85 tune?
Shell V power is my go to. E85 sounds fun though, wish i could convert my Veloster N to that
If you're using E85, on a vehicle designed for 91, your PCM has been unlocked and you're on a custom tune. It's useful to have an ethanol content sensor and gauge in your vehicle, along with your RTD and a data device. You tuner can build several alternative calibrations, which you can load on-demand, as you fill your tank and read the ethanol content. It's a little work, but produces peace of mind.
No can do, Bro. My 2018 GT is also my daily driver, and my ONLY daily driver. I don't count the Kia Seltos that the other half uses. As such, if I tuned my GT for E85, there does my warranty. That's not even including the replacement parts you mentioned. The other drawback is that it's available in places here by us normally, but if I go on a road trip, it may not be as easy to come across depending on route and destination. It's a no go for me. You made some good points both ways.
My 2002 S10 2.2 Vortec is designed to run on E85 only problem is that it's difficult to find it in my area here in Tucson,Az.
What's the highest erating can u run safely in a non flex fuel f150 3.5 eb?
Switch grass is a better alternative for ethanol, you dont have to replant it and it will grow many places corn cant, multiple harvest per year, so it has the possibility to be the magic bullet.
Do your neighbors ever wonder why you’re always standing in your driveway talking to yourself??? 😀😀😀
They used to.. now they are used to it lol
E85 composition - 85% bacteria poop, 15% rotten dinosaur juices.
Making it easy for the common man to understand...🤣
Can you put e85 in a f150 powerboost? I’d like to try the stuff
Flex fuel kit on my Camaro has been bullet proof going on 2 years now. I went flex fuel so I could throw in 91 octane during the winter months for the inevitable longish storage times, and for the chance that I’d be somewhere they didn’t offer it. Haven’t regretted doing flex fuel at all, if you get a high quality kit you’re good to go. That being said, I have heard GM vehicles tend to play a little nicer with the flex fuel kits but haven’t met anyone where I live that have complained with their flex fuel kits on other brand vehicles.
Crazy how some 2007-2013 Silverado are flex fuel motors and not the Camaro
@@theshield1613I’m not sure why they don’t make performance cars flex fuel. I think they don’t want to invest in the fuel systems for them or something, especially on the direct injection cars
From my understanding from the forums. E85 is like putting a low octane race grade fuel into your vehicle. It can make good power, but not good on mileage. Can't let it sit in the tank for a long period of time. It can dry out injectors seal and fuel pump seals. However it is less expensive to purchase. Vehicle had to be rated for it too. My bike is tuned for it and it does feel different with the power delivery.
In Michigan e85 from May to November than the station’s switch to e70 for winter blend
That the murphys off Oakmont and Chisholm trail? If so...krogers off Crowley rd and 1187 has it everytime I go there.
Yes I did see that.. Its just alot further to go for me since the Murphy is so close.
@@RacerX9 its not too bad, I dreaded it at first but its almost the same distance from my house, just less convenient.
I have a quick question… so I bought a used hellcat that definitely has a tuned ECU, every since I bought it I’ve used nothing but 93 but when I actually get on it it tends to bend the shit out of my spark plugs and have to replaced them like everytime I gas it… could it be bc it’s tuned for e85? Or is my problem much deeper?
Wrong plugs???
How long can E-85 sit in the car before it goes bad weeks months yrs??? Hmu
I’ve noticed that when I put e85 in my Chrysler 300 and let it sit overnight it tends to not start very well.
U have to prime the fuel pump(turn the car on n off a few times without starting it) then start it
E-85 fan here. Just use it in our '09 Pontiac G6(3.5L V-6) and '14 Chevy Equinox(2.4L 4-cyl.) Yeah, some loss off mpgs, but smooth and powerful.
What is your opinion on the E85 pro flex commander kit? It's just plug and play....
I use the pro flex commander on my scat pack, been using it for about 15,000 miles. It works great. I can feel the difference. I’ve used on the road course and it has held up great. I would definitely recommend. I also have the latest jlt intake which also woke up the car. American racing shorties and a jet performance tb.
@@seanem7261 ok cool that's what's up! Did you have to get a tune with your additional mods like with the intake, tb, and shorties?
@@fadedsapphire6860 if you do the mods I mentioned you don’t need to tune it, but it will help maximize the performance mods if you do a tune. But with the mods I have right now , it’s at .82-83 lambda which is a little rich on gas and on e-80 I’m like at .87 which is ideal
One acre 750 850 gallon, after distilling dry mash is excellent feed.
@3:30 what about e85 octane boosters???
New subscriber. So E85 will be right for me, since I drive a lot upwards of 80 miles a day.
Love E85 in my 2012 Chevy Caprice PPV
what is your take on E85 from switchgrass?
In Brazil they use ginormous beets to make ethanol they have an extremely high sugar content using corn to make e85 is like using 100 dollar bills to start a campfire
I would like to upgrade my car to run E85 but I want the car to be able to run all available fuel types. There was some talk about providing E15 but I don't think that got off the ground.
Instead of flex fuel try tuning with a dual map one dedicated for 93 and one dedicated for 🌽. I did it with my Subaru you just have to run the tank below a quarter
can you pass the smog test if u have the e85 on the car
I’ve an ‘11 F-150 4x4 with a gen 1 coyote. I love running the moonshine in it!
Why did all of the racers run ethanol in the 30s and 40s?
I have a Dodge Ram flex fuel I can’t always find e85 so sometimes I put 89 in there but it drives like crap when I do
Thanks
I got 2 places where I live, to buy E85. One is in another town, about 5-10 minutes from me, and the other place is at my job, at a nuclear power plant, and you have to have a badge to get on site to use the gas station. They need more gas stations selling E85, it's a little more expensive, but I prefer it over regular gas.
You have to burn more E85, and it takes much more energy to produce, so not sure the carbon footprint is really any better. Kind of funny that a "save the environment" boondoggle turned into such a blessing for motor heads 🙂 Good vids, man. One of my resources deciding to go with an ss 1le.
Corn requires larger amounts of water than other crops which have resulted in aquifer depletion and is actually becoming a major threat to middle America. Many articles and reports coming out on it.
@@demsakawalkinglatetermabor7ionyou do realize they can make it rain? They've been doing it for years. Irs called cloud seating or geoengineering. The liars say they need to block the sun do to fake global warming. That's not very bright since everything lives off of the sun. What nonsense.
4:20 The ethanol in e85 is basically the same as the alcohol we drink and is made in the same way. The only difference is that ethanol for vehicles has toxic substances like methanol added to it so that people can't drink it, as it is not taxed like drinking alcohol.
Yeap the difference between Moonshine and gasoline is methonol.
Yes ethanol = alcohol = moonshine, yet mainstream narrative and comments never mention that moonshine of course can be and has been for a long time, made at home; all critics criticize problems with mass production and distribution, as if local of both is non-existent/impossible, it's mis-info to keep people dependent on the System.
Racer x quick question my stang 2019 running e 85 flex tune what additive do you recommend ?
Fuel cleaner injector
Power plus. I got a video on it it really quiets down fuel pumps and injectors.
Here in California E85 is more plentiful, fortunately. Our gas here was over $6 a gallon compared to E85 at $4 a gallon. Y'all are lucky out there in Texas in that your gasoline in much cheaper.
What area in ca? Do you know of any gas stations in south LA/downtown?
@@bespinoza66 I'm in San Diego
There are wild grasses found on the plains that are better sources for ethanol than corn. But the corn lobby is quite strong.
There is definitely something to that Rolin
@@RacerX9 and that’s a little hard for me to admit because we own a little farm land and ethanol helped corn prices... until the tariffs cut off demand.
It runs just fine in non-flex fuel cars, too. It dirties up a sensor and you can kill that idiot light by putting a tank of regular gas in it.
I always go to the Kroger on Crowley and 1187
Same, now that the murphys hes at has been out...
What part of Texas are you
Interesting, running out of corn resources was the first thing I thought of... It seems there's never a simple solution. Sure, in California, gas may be $8/gallon, but at least it's an option.
My issue with e85 is actually finding a station that has e85 and not e77.When you go to most gas stations the e85 pump is not e85 and then your tune has no use. I run 93 pump fuel and run 7.0 1/8 mile pass at 100mph everytime.
E85 is so scarce in my area. Guess I’ll have to stick with 93 in the Camaro
I’m getting a set up on my jk that has a LT1 in it and. When I’ add a whipple supercharger to I’m having a system put on that’s 500$ that gets tuned with 87 89 91 93 and 85.e. I hope it’s relatable I guess it takes about 4-5 miles of normal driving to really set the right tune for it. My motor head swap guy had it planned to be putting 1050 hp to the crank 750 to the wheels I’m not sure how I’m keeping the power down the stock LT1 spins the 40s already
Why are you planning on so much drivetrain loss?
If you are at 1050 crank, you should see 840rwhp with 20% parasitic loss.
I have heard of Tuners describing very high drivetrain loss numbers so they can claim 1,000 crank horsepower.
I have a 5.5 lift and dynatrac 72 inch wide 60 axels with 40 inch tires
It’s a wrangler jk
What do you care about how much corn and natural resources you're using if you're driving a Hellcat?
I’ve got a 850 hp e85 tune plus have a gas and Boostane tune so I’m good just have to change the pulley