Great video mate! I fully agree with you about the look of the S5IIx image, I prefer the footage from my old S1H. Can't wait for the S1H II to be released.
Absolutely!! Every time I saw the S5 footage, I felt it was far more cinematic and pleasing as well. Before buying the s5x, I asked various owners of both cameras, and they told me image quality wise.. they were identical! Buy they were not to my eyes, the difference was big. I am happy to hear that a true professional thinks in the same way, I feel less of a fool now 😊. I will definitely check the external recording option to make it more s5 looking footage. As always, great video
The difference is not really big, but it's noticeable if you compare the footage or jpegs side by side. On my case, working with multicam setups, I do see the difference. If you film externally in BRAW or ProRes RAW you'll get a much nicer image than the one you get from the OG S5. You can download the test footage in the community tab and play with it. Cheers!
What makes a picture cinematic is the cinematographer, not the camera. The differences are there, but they are so subtle that the viewer will not be interested in them. Plus, the original S5 doesn't even have a properly integrated braw. Sometimes I think filmmakers cling too much to technique and not creativity.
@@anasrida3454 It doesn't behave like a BRAW. The camera applies sharpening, the WB looks like it's baked in. Panasonic only solved this with the next generation. I had both, and I tested it.
You're so right about image quality, both the S5 and S1 have a very "rawlike" rendering (almost the same than if you take a burst of raw pictures), the S5II just looks overprocessed, I honestly never seen anything like this even on the old GH cameras. The 4K of the S5II looks too soft and too sharp in the same time, soft because the amount of details is worse than the S5/S1 (even more in bad lightning) and also oversharpened because of the huge amount of sharpening used. This is to the point the standard profiles in 4K looks the same than oversampled and oversharpened 1080P image. 5,9K, 6K and Open Gate are better but still not comparable to the S1, I even prefer the 4K of my S5 to the 6K of the S5II.
@@davidmultimedia2024 Indeed the S5II has worse image quality than the S5 in video because of overprocessing, not only oversharpening but also details filtering. And while it's true the GH5 is overprocessed, it uses almost zero details filtering and noise reduction as opposed to the S5II, so the videos of the GH5 are still very good with no loss of details. I can understand you find the GH5 too sharp, IMHO using -5 sharpening I never thought it was so much oversharpened but it still uses a good amount of digital sharpening. However, there is a way on the GH5 to get the same pleasing image than the S5, you just need to use the 4:3 Open Gate mode (not the 6K photo). This mode has almost zero sharpening added, and in my eyes it has better details than the GH6 and G9II, very close to a burst of raw pictures. Also, there is now way to downgrade firmware on the S5II. If it was possible I would have downgraded as fast as I can. And to be honest, I used the S5II with the 1.0 firmware and I'm pretty sure the oversharpening and noise filtering were already there, at least with most of the pictures profiles.
Excellent video Luca! Fully agree with all your points. Little note at the end of the missing raw controls: If you switch the color space and gamma dropdown in the S5iiX footage to Blackmagic film and Gen 5, you get full access to the sliders on the right side. Small nitpick, but hope it helps!
Hel Ali, salaam bro, I am a subscriber, good to see you here, and echo the comment above, we need more S5IIX content from you. Your videos and thorough explanations made me super interested in this camera. Complete noob so dont have anything concrete to suggest but just wanted to let you know I appreciate your work! Luca, fantastic video, really enjoyed it and felt you covered the subject well, more please!
Thanks! Nice review. Would be nice to see more details video about 24-70 S Pro Lumix. I am considering to move from Sigma after I bought 4 S Primes from Panasonic. Great work Luca!
Yeah, I’ll make a video about the two 24-70mm f2.8! Honestly, I don’t see any reasons for Panasonic to make another 24-70mm f2.8…this lens is awesome 🤙🏻
I’m absolutely loving the colours that you are getting with real-time LUT … particularly the portrait at 4.29. I was wondering if that was a custom LUT based on VLog or are you basing it on standard profile… it’s very ‘cinematic’ like a scene from a movie. Wondering if you were using an mis filter or anything to get that look or if you make the LUT that you were using available?
Thanks! It’s an sRGB LUT based on the standard profile. I’ve made some adjustment in the RGB curves for the highlights roll off and I used a Tiffen Black Pro Mist 1/8. I will think about sharing new LUTs…I don’t feel like I want to be the RUclipsr selling stuff to the audience. Ciao!
Ciao Luca, complimenti per il video! E' sempre un piacere vedere i tuoi contenuti, davvero molto utili per i filmmakers. Volevo chiederti.. anch'io come te sono un grande amante delle lenti vintage, ma avrei bisogno di uno zoom autofocus.. pensi che il Panasonic S PRO 24-70 valga il costo piuttosto elevato che ha? Grazie in anticipo!
Ciao Francesco, grazie a te! Secondo me il Panasonic 24-70 vale di piu' di quello che costa. Va meglio del Leica 24-90 (costante f2.8) e del Sigma 24-70mm.
I have this camera, and its damm good ,but i can't find anything on how to get the codecs to playback .mov files on the computer. sorry for being off topic
Did you change any AF settings or you leave it on default. My sigma 24 and 35 perform the same in AF like my lumix lenses (35 and 50 mm) but with sigma lenses any change to speed or sensitivity sometimes affect performance. Lumix glass is free of this issues.
Another con would be the apsc crop in 4k50p. Especially when shooting real estate. I’m also not that happy with the boot up time. It could be a little faster
Yes, you’re right! I always found the ibis of the S1 and S5 fantastic. That’s why I didn’t mention this upgrade (that is not that relevant for me). Cheers!
There’s a lot to like about this camera, but I wish manufacturers understood that most buyers of video-focused cameras don’t want artificially over sharpened plasticky images.
100% agreed. I've been working on trying to get them to reverse the changes (the stock factory firmware was fantastic, not overly processed) but they said they want to focus more on future cameras.
I want to like this camera so much but the horrible hdmi lag when using and external monitor makes this camera basically useless for me. If they don’t fix this in the next s1hii im done with Panasonic.
With the "consumer community" increasingly demanding sharpness (addicted to mobile "quality"), I don't think newer cameras will have an optical low pass filter, since this particular filter adds Blur to the final result. And how will the moire problem be solved? The Moiré phenomenon, so far there is no way to completely eliminate it (you can still observe it in studios with professional cameras, that's why there is a specific dress code, avoid clothes with lines...). Moiré can be reduced by moving the camera left and right or up and down to change the camera's shooting angles. In some cases it can be corrected in post processing by adding blur.
I think it’s time to see a professional video camera from Lumix, without thinking about the consumer community. Something in the 5/6000€ range to compete with the Sony FX6. Moire can be avoided with some tricks, it’s true, but sometimes you can’t and that’s a problem with paying clients
@@LucaBono.Studio You are right, but I am afraid it is too late for Panasonic. Sony A1 ii, Canon R1,R3,R5 ii, Nikon z9, z8, what more can Panasonic offer? Maybe only internal ND, and more competitive prices. But still it is not enough. Where are the pro lenses? The only company that DOES NOT HAVE ANY prime LENS with f1.4 (except for a 50mm), and NO LENS OVER 200mm. When you invest in expensive cameras, you ALWAYS take into account the Native lenses that each company has.
The download link for the comparison footage is in the Community Tab of the channel (subscribers only). Ciao!
Great video mate! I fully agree with you about the look of the S5IIx image, I prefer the footage from my old S1H. Can't wait for the S1H II to be released.
Thanks Fred! At least, if we film in raw, we bypass the internal processing 👌🏻
Luca bellissimo video e molto utile tutto quanto dici in esso! Buone feste e saluti dall'Italia!
Grazie mille grandissimo! Buone feste!
Thanks Luca! You truly hit the spot with each video. A pleasure to have met you in Delft, and looking forward to more of your work!
You’re welcome buddy! Thanks for the kind words 🤙🏼
Absolutely!! Every time I saw the S5 footage, I felt it was far more cinematic and pleasing as well. Before buying the s5x, I asked various owners of both cameras, and they told me image quality wise.. they were identical! Buy they were not to my eyes, the difference was big. I am happy to hear that a true professional thinks in the same way, I feel less of a fool now 😊. I will definitely check the external recording option to make it more s5 looking footage.
As always, great video
I dont see what you see
The difference is not really big, but it's noticeable if you compare the footage or jpegs side by side. On my case, working with multicam setups, I do see the difference. If you film externally in BRAW or ProRes RAW you'll get a much nicer image than the one you get from the OG S5. You can download the test footage in the community tab and play with it. Cheers!
What makes a picture cinematic is the cinematographer, not the camera. The differences are there, but they are so subtle that the viewer will not be interested in them. Plus, the original S5 doesn't even have a properly integrated braw. Sometimes I think filmmakers cling too much to technique and not creativity.
@@spetlafilm what do you mean by BRAW is S5 is not properly integrated?
@@anasrida3454 It doesn't behave like a BRAW. The camera applies sharpening, the WB looks like it's baked in. Panasonic only solved this with the next generation. I had both, and I tested it.
Thank you , Luca, like always great review! Waiting for future content!
More to come! Thanks 🙏🏻
You're so right about image quality, both the S5 and S1 have a very "rawlike" rendering (almost the same than if you take a burst of raw pictures), the S5II just looks overprocessed, I honestly never seen anything like this even on the old GH cameras.
The 4K of the S5II looks too soft and too sharp in the same time, soft because the amount of details is worse than the S5/S1 (even more in bad lightning) and also oversharpened because of the huge amount of sharpening used. This is to the point the standard profiles in 4K looks the same than oversampled and oversharpened 1080P image. 5,9K, 6K and Open Gate are better but still not comparable to the S1, I even prefer the 4K of my S5 to the 6K of the S5II.
Let’s hope the future cameras will have the glorious image quality we all know from Lumix!
@@davidmultimedia2024 Indeed the S5II has worse image quality than the S5 in video because of overprocessing, not only oversharpening but also details filtering.
And while it's true the GH5 is overprocessed, it uses almost zero details filtering and noise reduction as opposed to the S5II, so the videos of the GH5 are still very good with no loss of details.
I can understand you find the GH5 too sharp, IMHO using -5 sharpening I never thought it was so much oversharpened but it still uses a good amount of digital sharpening.
However, there is a way on the GH5 to get the same pleasing image than the S5, you just need to use the 4:3 Open Gate mode (not the 6K photo). This mode has almost zero sharpening added, and in my eyes it has better details than the GH6 and G9II, very close to a burst of raw pictures.
Also, there is now way to downgrade firmware on the S5II. If it was possible I would have downgraded as fast as I can. And to be honest, I used the S5II with the 1.0 firmware and I'm pretty sure the oversharpening and noise filtering were already there, at least with most of the pictures profiles.
@@slows728
The GH5 mark ii is better then the gh5 so...
Excellent video Luca! Fully agree with all your points.
Little note at the end of the missing raw controls: If you switch the color space and gamma dropdown in the S5iiX footage to Blackmagic film and Gen 5, you get full access to the sliders on the right side. Small nitpick, but hope it helps!
looking forward to mre s5iix/Braw videos from you Ali!
@73jayzee Thanks for watching my videos! What would you like to see? Perhaps a BRAW vs ProRes RAW comparison?
It sounds great! Thanks for the very useful tip 👌🏻
Hel Ali, salaam bro, I am a subscriber, good to see you here, and echo the comment above, we need more S5IIX content from you. Your videos and thorough explanations made me super interested in this camera. Complete noob so dont have anything concrete to suggest but just wanted to let you know I appreciate your work!
Luca, fantastic video, really enjoyed it and felt you covered the subject well, more please!
Thanks for watching man! Really appreciate it. Yeah I got some things in the plans so I'll see what I can cook up, busy times.@@farshaxan
Thanks! Nice review. Would be nice to see more details video about 24-70 S Pro Lumix. I am considering to move from Sigma after I bought 4 S Primes from Panasonic. Great work Luca!
Considering a different between Lumix S 24-70 Pro vs Sigma 24-70 version II. Do u have any info about Lumix S24-70 version II in work?
Yeah, I’ll make a video about the two 24-70mm f2.8! Honestly, I don’t see any reasons for Panasonic to make another 24-70mm f2.8…this lens is awesome 🤙🏻
07:33 I’m facing moire more and more with the S5iix.
Have you considered the olpf aftermarket upgrade by kolari?
No, I would never do something like that. I'd rather buy or rent the S1H instead
I’m absolutely loving the colours that you are getting with real-time LUT … particularly the portrait at 4.29. I was wondering if that was a custom LUT based on VLog or are you basing it on standard profile… it’s very ‘cinematic’ like a scene from a movie. Wondering if you were using an mis filter or anything to get that look or if you make the LUT that you were using available?
Thanks! It’s an sRGB LUT based on the standard profile. I’ve made some adjustment in the RGB curves for the highlights roll off and I used a Tiffen Black Pro Mist 1/8. I will think about sharing new LUTs…I don’t feel like I want to be the RUclipsr selling stuff to the audience. Ciao!
03:34 I agree. I haven’t used the viewfinder on my S5ii and S5iix once. So it’s a shame it’s so big
Hopefully they’ll give us a slimmer version of this EVF on future cameras!
@@jonathanscheurich It's so incredibly handy for run and gun work with vintage lenses! Very high quality and resolution.
Ciao Luca, complimenti per il video! E' sempre un piacere vedere i tuoi contenuti, davvero molto utili per i filmmakers. Volevo chiederti.. anch'io come te sono un grande amante delle lenti vintage, ma avrei bisogno di uno zoom autofocus.. pensi che il Panasonic S PRO 24-70 valga il costo piuttosto elevato che ha? Grazie in anticipo!
Ciao Francesco, grazie a te! Secondo me il Panasonic 24-70 vale di piu' di quello che costa. Va meglio del Leica 24-90 (costante f2.8) e del Sigma 24-70mm.
Luca grazie mille per la tua risposta!! Mi sa che procedo all'acquisto..
Have you done a video on that anamorphic adoptor setup?
Not yet! Just filming test footage with different taking lenses atm
hey Luca! what is our opinion on nikon z6iii ??
Hi! It seems like a great camera but I never tried it. If I something change I’ll make a video about it. Cheers!
I have this camera, and its damm good ,but i can't find anything on how to get the codecs to playback .mov files on the computer. sorry for being off topic
Download PotPlayer 👌🏻
Which would you recommend when just shooting internal? S5 or S5iix?
The S5IIx because of the AF. The image quality difference is noticeable when you compare the cameras side by side
@@LucaBono.Studio
Manual mode is better when you're behind the camera.
S5.
Did you change any AF settings or you leave it on default. My sigma 24 and 35 perform the same in AF like my lumix lenses (35 and 50 mm) but with sigma lenses any change to speed or sensitivity sometimes affect performance. Lumix glass is free of this issues.
The Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 is moving big and more glass elements when focusing. That’s a different story for the AF on small prime lenses.
Are there enough auto type setting's for both video & still images that a novice could grow into this camera?
Thanks!
Yes, the camera is working good enough in automatic. Cheers!
What's the name of your background wall decor
I don't remember...sorry!
Another con would be the apsc crop in 4k50p. Especially when shooting real estate.
I’m also not that happy with the boot up time. It could be a little faster
I'm fine with the Aps-c crop. The rolling shutter is much better when you crop in the sensor. The boot up time can be annoying sometimes...I agree!
@@LucaBono.Studiogood to know about the rolling shutter performance in apsc mode, will try that out
You forget mention IBIS . S5ii is IBIS is much better than s5.
Yes, you’re right! I always found the ibis of the S1 and S5 fantastic. That’s why I didn’t mention this upgrade (that is not that relevant for me). Cheers!
There’s a lot to like about this camera, but I wish manufacturers understood that most buyers of video-focused cameras don’t want artificially over sharpened plasticky images.
I agree. Digital sharpening can be added in post, if needed.
100% agreed. I've been working on trying to get them to reverse the changes (the stock factory firmware was fantastic, not overly processed) but they said they want to focus more on future cameras.
I want to like this camera so much but the horrible hdmi lag when using and external monitor makes this camera basically useless for me.
If they don’t fix this in the next s1hii im done with Panasonic.
Hi Thomas! Yeah, I totally understand your frustration...let's hope they will fix the HDMI delay in the future camera!
With the "consumer community" increasingly demanding sharpness (addicted to mobile "quality"), I don't think newer cameras will have an optical low pass filter, since this particular filter adds Blur to the final result.
And how will the moire problem be solved?
The Moiré phenomenon, so far there is no way to completely eliminate it (you can still observe it in studios with professional cameras, that's why there is a specific dress code, avoid clothes with lines...).
Moiré can be reduced by moving the camera left and right or up and down to change the camera's shooting angles.
In some cases it can be corrected in post processing by adding blur.
I think it’s time to see a professional video camera from Lumix, without thinking about the consumer community. Something in the 5/6000€ range to compete with the Sony FX6.
Moire can be avoided with some tricks, it’s true, but sometimes you can’t and that’s a problem with paying clients
@@LucaBono.Studio
You are right, but I am afraid it is too late for Panasonic. Sony A1 ii, Canon R1,R3,R5 ii, Nikon z9, z8, what more can Panasonic offer? Maybe only internal ND, and more competitive prices. But still it is not enough. Where are the pro lenses? The only company that DOES NOT HAVE ANY prime LENS with f1.4 (except for a 50mm), and NO LENS OVER 200mm. When you invest in expensive cameras, you ALWAYS take into account the Native lenses that each company has.
Still prefer my gh6
I never tried it!
I thought the same thing... until I just bought the S5IIX on Black Friday. It's a night and day difference... Honestly!