LaGuardia Airport's WHITESTONE CLIMB
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- In this video, I take you on a journey from LaGuardia airport's 7000 foot long runway 13 to the climb over Whitestone New York via the Whitestone Climb. Strategically sitting on the left side of the plane, I provide the best views and fully explain with air traffic control how we get to our initial departure fix, LANNA so we can head to Atlanta, the world's busiest airport.
ATC Audio: www.liveatc.net
As a pilot and fellow aviation junkie, your enthusiasm is refreshing! Entertaining video!
Thanks David!
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Great video 📷! Love your explanations! What is the Canarsie Curve?
@@PeterMasella You're welcome, bud!
Great view of my alma mater SUNY Maritime! Thanks
Cool!
The Whitestone climb out left enough noise over my elementary, junior, and high school that my teachers had to constantly interrupt speech for noisy B727s to pass over us. It got a bit quieter when the DC10s were introduced in 1971, but quieter twin aisle jets didn't last long at La Guardia, and DC9s and B727 were in the majority in the 60s and 70s. Schools had heat in the winters but no AC in the summers when windows had to stay open. Also aluminum awnings would vibrate so much that their fasteners would crack bricks by transmitting collected vibration.
I went to school in Renton Washington, home of Boeing manufacturing for the 727. My grade school was located, literally, about a half a mile from the runway. Even at recess, you couldn't hear your buddies talking to you from more than 6 ft away, if that. I know what you're talking about!! Huh!?
Great stories!
As a Flight Attendant who frequently works and rides as a pax out of LGA, thank you so much for your excellent Narratives!
Great to hear! Thanks!!
This is great. Anyone that flies with me is subject to foreflight approach and departure plates... glad to see I'm not alone!
Love it!
Singing, “Getting to know you, getting to know all about you”. My chance to see New York and fly! Thank you so very much for these wonderful videos❤
It’s my hope you learn more day by day!
Nice video of the Whitestone and your explanations were 'right on.' I've flown that departure climb many times, "back in the day." ... Thanks for posting. New York City is awesome.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so much!!
Awesome video Peter! 👏👏👏👏
Great views all around, but especially good views of LGA.
THANKS
Thanks for watching!
Thanks! What a great trip to go on together.
Thanks so much, Jay! I appreciate it!
Many times I've see these departures from I 678 northbound toward the Whitestone Bridge. I envy how fast the flights can transition the area compared to down there driving.
It’s amazing to watch!
I think this is the departure I remember from the days of Shea Stadium. Radio and television commentators working games involving the Mets pretty much had to stop speaking for 30-45 seconds during the worst of each aircraft's jet blast. The guys who worked for WFAN were used to it, but it did bother visiting teams' announcers on many occasions, and when ESPN, NBC, Fox, etc. came to Shea for a nationally televised game, they usually had to explain the jet noise issue to their viewers.
They’re still there but not as loud. I don’t think I’ve been to game at Shea or Shitty Field that hasn’t had flights overhead making that transition. Know how I know the 737 doesn’t have covered wheel wells? I see them all the damn time. 😂😂
Larry, I'm a Braves fan who started watching baseball in the 80s and every time the team went to Shea they had to explain the airplane noise. It was a cool feature in my opinion.
@@abathens I recall that that was the era in which WTBS and WGN (Chicago) began using the "superstation" concept under which they were carried on cable systems all across the country, so I grew up seeing a lot more of the Braves and Cubs than a kid in an American League city before interleague play should have seen. That was my first exposure to the National League and the crazy idea (to my 6-year-old AL mind, at least) that the pitcher actually stepped to the plate to bat.
I recall multiple generations of Carays -- Harry, Skip, and Chip -- mentioning Shea's proximity to LGA and the jet noise issues whenever the Braves or Cubs would visit New York. Holy cow, huh? :-P
@@abathens It actually just occurred to me that I've been forgetting about Shea's other occupant for 20 years, the Jets, so I'm sure they had to deal with it the same as the Mets. In fact, I've seen some chunks of the Jets' last home game at Shea, a 1983 tilt against the Steelers probably best remembered as Terry Bradshaw's final game, and do seem to recall a few planes briefly interrupting Dick Enberg and Merlin Olsen. (It is worth a laugh to note that just before the extra point that made it 34-7 Steelers, Enberg spoke of the "New Jersey Jets" in mockery of their upcoming move.)
That is very cool!
Nice job Peter,
I too spent many days at the approach end of runway 4 in that little park south of the Grand Central Parkway and across from the "Academy of Aeronautics". Now I'm a retired TWA/AA Captain with thousands of hours in and out of LGA, JFK and EWR as well as other airports in the Tri-State area. Keep up the great work!
Cool! Thanks!
I’m an A@P apprentice about to take my O&P,s . Life change ! I’m an old man changing careers at 50 ! Shoulda done this when I was young but Life got involved Im also a student pilot and finally soloed after starting flying when I was 15 outta MATTITUCK AVIATION. A Little GA reman . Shop on L.I.
THIS IS MY DREAM. I don’t go to work anymore. I’m working with guys n Gals that could be my kids ! Lol.
Thanks for thos that made this video and you Captain for your years of safe flight.
What airline did you fly ?
Take care Michael M.
PS PPL HERE I COME !
Thank you, Peter. Enjoyed the great views of NYC and your flight.
Many thanks!
what a staggering amount of information you have managed to give us. Many thanks
Thanks for watching, Joe Barrett!
This video represents an impressive amount of dedication to figure out the design of the ATC sectors, which is generally not published.
Thanks! I’ve been studying New York City airspace for decades!
Nice NYC departure view, thank you.
Thanks!
Great video! I was just watching aircraft flying this departure out my window in Queens, and it’s nice to see it from the aircraft’s perspective.
Cool!
I enjoyed this video a lot. I like the ATC in the background and the explanations of everything going on. Keep up the amazing work!
Thanks a ton!
Wow, that's impressive work! Happy safe and happy flying!
Thanks!
Dude, you’re *exactly* like me lol. Every flight I’m on is excited me paying close attention to every detail (surrounded by hundred people who hate flying and don’t care)
Lol! I always feel like I’m the only one!
New York approach, LGA sector, was my first facility. Over 30 years ago now. It hasn't changed. Thanks for the memories!
That's awesome! I've been listening to ATC at LGA for a long time and probably know your voice from years ago!
I work in the LGA area now!
I absolutely love this. Excellent as always, Peter. Had to postpone my NYC trip by two weeks but still looking forward to experiencing LGA for myself.
Have fun! It will be amazing for you!
Peter is fantastic. Atlanta is my home.
Thanks!
another enjoyable video. even though i've seen you describe this climb out before i always learn something new!
Thanks Sam! I try to reveal something new in each video, despite being a frequent flyer at LGA!
Very well done video. Keep up the good work Peter.
Thanks - so much more to come!
As always, I love videos in this style! Thank you for making them!
And thank you for watching, Charles!
The A220 is such a beautiful aircraft. I just love the nose.
It sure is!
Thank you for sharing this airport there in New York.
Thanks for watching!
@@PeterMasella You are welcome.
Fantastic commentary and explanation as always, Peter!
And as always...Thank YOU!
Wonderful video. Keep up the great work.
Thank you very much!
Great vid...and, as alway, love the background of the navigation/ATC. Also, as a non-New Yorker, I appreciate the explanations of the geography of the area near which you are flying.
And...on a lighter note...I think you should make "this is really complicated/busy airspace!" your official catchphrase. 😉
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you and good idea!
What an amazing narrative. It was meant for you to make videos. I loved the interactions with ATC. I never knew there was a Whitestone climb out of LGA. It one of my favorite airports to fly in or out of. I just subscribed and I look forward to more after I catch up with your other videos. Fantastic 😊
Wow, thank you!
Good trip report
Thanks!
Awesome job, thank you, enjoyed very much. I am an airplane mechanic, always a fanatic of aviation
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another fantastic video. Always learning something new on your channel. Just as an FYI, as a sim pilot, I typically fly as Delta 846.
Cool, thanks!
That’s too funny! I flew on Delta 846 in real life!
Well I've never ever had an urge to go to New York city. But your look back over the skyline of Manhattan was pretty awesome.
Try a visit sometime!
@@PeterMasella
Well I know you gotta try it, and the experience may change you. But I've been to Houston, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, Washington DC and everytime I've just been "MEH" about the experience. Too many people in just not enough space I guess. I do like the diversity of stuff to do of the large and larger cities but just can't bring myself to want to ever go to them again. Seeing statue of liberty would and is a thing I want to see ... so I know I'll be in New York some day, but right now many many other things to see that for me puts cities way at the bottom of the bucket list.
Thanks for stopping in. 😀
Nice to hear Northwest mentioned. I spent most of the ‘90s & 2000s as a Gold Elite Worldperks member. RIP, NWA.
Cool!
On your approach to Atlanta, you flew directly over my house!! I’m right at the turn where they line up for the runway. They are usually about 2500 feet above. I sit and watch them land and takeoff from my deck. I also use FlightAware to track them.
Cool!
Last summer I was at a Mets Game at Citifield. Sitting on the third base side I saw all the departures use this pattern.
So cool!
Good editing! Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
Thanks Peteeeeerrrr!
Thanks Francooooo!
I do not understand all of the Airplane Lingo, but it is still interesting to hear it. Your voice makes me feel comfortable. Thanks.
Thank you Jonathan! I appreciate that!
Thanks for the video man I'm an aviation enthusiast like you, really enjoy it! Now I know if I fly the Whitehorse departure got to have a left seat! Safe Flights!
😀thanks for watching!
Just flew out on the Whitestone climb on the 3rd!
Awesome!
Great video! Thanks for posting. Love this climb and the new terminals too! (can't believe we're saying this about LGA!)
Though small correction: largest city in North America is actually Mexico City, NYC a close second.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for pointing that out!
Thank you so much for this video. You put so much work into this and it shows. Just subscribed 😊 all the best!
Thank you so much!
Hi Peter, really enjoy your videos and channel! As a youngster we used to ride our bikes from Astoria and hang out around the service road by the edge of runway 4 and watch the flights pass directly over us during final approach... and take off/jet blast as well. Similar to St Maarten, maybe just a few feet further difference in proximity. Love the logistics/navigation, ATC, everything that you're covering. Love other channels like yours with respect to full-flight coverage and also plane spotting. Amazing job, and like so many others say, love your channel!
Thanks so much! I used to go to that service road too..long ago!
What street and avenue is near this nice plane spotting area? As a kid, I and Dad plane spotted on 87 st & Astoria Blvd.
They now call it Runway Drive. We took Ditmars Blvd just past 81st Street (where it curves to right) then left on Marine Terminal Road (pass rental cars) - stay right. The runway (4) is used mainly for winds out of the NE. Takeoffs and landings. Not sure how security is now, much more heightened I'm quite sure then back in the days... but you never know till you try. Walk/bike? perhaps. That's how we did it, good old pedaling.
Thanks, very informative. I always fly this take off route from La Guardia to Atlanta.
Cool! Thanks for watching!
@@PeterMasella Ur welcome.
When i was a kid at St Anns in the 1970s we protested the loud jet noise at LGA. I particularly remember how we couldn’t talk, listen to tv, or hear teachers when the 727s flew over - every two minutes at peak. Gee maybe us kids are part of the reason for the Whitestone Climb.
Ha! I always remember teachers stopping for the airplanes too! But I loved it!
Мне нравится когда из Ла Гвардия вылетаешь!!!
Me too!
I flew the Whitestone climb a few times in my short career as a First Officer with Envoy.
Cool!
Great video! I believe this was the flight path of the famous "miracle on the Hudson" flight from LGA-CLT.
Thanks for watching! No, it was not. The "miracle on the Hudson" flight departed on runway 4, not runway 13.
Great commentary, great video, good job, I wish it was sunny, but alas, roll with the punches.
Thanks for watching!
I love your informative videos!! Great stuff!!
Thanks so much!
Very nice. Pity it was on a bright, sunny, summers day.
I’m sure I’ll fly this departure again! Thanks for watching!
Very exciting to watch,, very good job
Thank you very much!
Y'know what I always wondered. Every governor for the past 20 years has talked about closing Rikers. But they never have. It would be great if they did, then extended Laguardia out to Rikers, hopefully extending its runway and building a new terminal in the process.
That would be nice!
Many times I flew that departure. It's a fun transition, not unlike the more famous Canarsie Approach into JFK. But wow, have they ever changed LGA - the only things, other than the pavement of the taxiways and runways, that were there when I was flying in and out of there are the AA hangars (at least the two that are left, possibly only for the time being...). BTW, nice touch having the ATC audio playing in real time!
Thanks! LGA is different terminal side but the same on the airside.
I experienced a similar climb out from Newark Liberty once. We took off and he banked into a turn and seemed to be there for fifteen minutes. I figured we were in a tight climb until we got up over the traffic. Sort of a spiral climb.
Love it!
Nice job on this.
Thank you! Cheers!
great video Peter ! very well put together !
Many thanks!
Well done. Love the NYC travelog.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome! That’s how I feel on flights!
It’s the best!
Great video. Love it how you explain why planes take those flight path. But how do you find out what runway your flight is taking? I don't fly much but I like to do the same thing. Knowing where to sit.
Thanks for watching. I check the wind first and look to see which runways would provide a headwind for both arrivals and departures.
My cousin lives in flushing NY! She gets departing la guardia flights they are very low since they just take off but its cool!
Very nice!
@@PeterMasellayes!
That was fun and informative !!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Damn, could not hear the engines spooling up for takeoff and the sounds of the takeoff roll 😢 Maybe next time.
But I could hear the child that was near me screaming! I did not want that sound in the video!
Peter, great video and your excellent commentary!! Even, your a/c history on the DL A320…ex-NW. ✈️
Many thanks!
It is 20 years ago that I was the last time at LGA. In the 80ies and 90ies I flew a lot out of LGA, It was always hectic in those old terminals.
I flew always with Delta.
It seems that those old terminals are replaced by new terminals.
Yes. Check out my other videos about the construction of the new Delta terminals at LGA.
If I had to listen to you for another minute I would of opened the door on the plane and JUMPED !!!!!
There's something called post production
Thanks for sharing this. I enjoyed your music selection. Could you please list the music used doing this video? Thanks.
Thanks! Music is listed In the description.
Love your videos. You are a great narrator.
Thank you kindly!
Hi Pete.. ty you for the great vid. You ever in Jersey or around TEB look me up. Would love to meet you. Keep it coming!
Maybe one day!
Would like to see the arrival onto LGA Runway 31...opposite if the Whitestone climb. On those windy winter days they bring the planes right over Fresh Meadows and over Flushing. Those loud screaming engines pushing against the wind!!
I do have some videos of landing on runway 31 on this channel!
Sounds like a little kid so excited
Hehe!
I've also done it many times.
Cool!
You should do airline training videos man! Very detailed.
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Thanks! ✈️
nice job, Pete!
Thank you! Cheers!
This is absolutely the geekiest video I've ever seen 😂! Love it!
😀😀😀
The crj900 that was parking is Endeavor Air, Deltas wholly owned subsidiary.
Correct!
You are right Flushing Meadow Park is a lot less noise sensitive and planes should get alt here first before turning. Nowadays with NEXGEN, they mostly abandoned Whitestone Climb and using TNNIS Climb which originally reserve only during U.S. Open. They now just accelerate straight through the North Queens neighborhoods with altitude around 2500ft for every 90 seconds all the way from Flushing to Bayside which is 4 miles away from LGA. Numerous complains to FAA falls on deaf ears, as they came up with this DNL noise level BS that ignore the lives of once quiet neighborhoods.
You have extensive knowledge. You should become a pilot! (If you aren’t already) great video!
Thanks! I never thought about becoming a pilot, but I enjoy doing what I do.
This video was thoroughly impressive SUB
Welcome aboard! Thanks so much!
Peter, Your Video Was Knowable, Thoughtful and Informative and Very Entertaining 😊, A Big Thanks From A USAir and TWA, Former Employee 😀!
Many thanks!
lanna then hop on j48 all way to MOL VOR puts you way down close to GA, haven't flown out of LGA in a long time, bu have done this route before
Yup!
This is awesome. I fly out of lga and grew up taking flying lessons out of hpn. Nyc (tracon) is a very busy area. If you can make it here.....
Cool!
I'm curious if you've ever flown out of John Wayne (SNA) on that steep southerly climb. During the climb, they cut back throttle to cut down noise over Newport Beach, so it's a bit of a ride.
I have not, but it sounds like fun!
I m so petrified of flying I get an aisle seat near the wings (less sensation of the turns) and refuse to look out the window, then get a good solid death grip on the seat until my hands are white and sit that way until we land. What I have trouble with is the turns. After landing my routine is to hit the restroom and unload a VERY full bladder (from fear) as I CERTAINLY will not get out of my seat during a flight. Then if I had a carry on I change my shirt in the restroom since the one I wore during the flight is now drenched with sweat. That night in the motel I wont sleep as I will have nightmares throughout the night of being back on the plane and it does its banking turn. I guess I should add I have climbed mountains, been treed by a bear while backpacking, and another time I actually stared down a black bear while on a backpack (I had no choice...no trees nearby). Trust me, those were childs play compared to flying.
It's much much much much more risky to drive in a motor vehicle than to fly in a plane. I mean a LOT riskier! Keep in mind flying is the safest method of transportation.
@@PeterMasella Well, while I believe it is safer I do not believe it is by the margin aircraft proponents are led to believe. Those statistics are based on miles traveled, but if you base it on hours in the vehicle, aircraft still comes out ahead but not by the huge margins the airline industry spouts. Remember, our gravestone will have our age (time), but not the miles we traveled! Yes flight is faster so less time in that vehicle but take my last flight: Cleveland to Chicago, this required a 1 1/2 hour drive for me, then I have to arrive 2 hours early. Then the hour flight,. So 4 1/2 hours after I leave I am in Chicago.This doesnt include down time which often occurs. Then the car rental. I'd rather drive the 7 hours. In any case, it is the sensation I feel when the aircraft is banking that screams to my brain "something isnt right!". I could never get over those 6 degrees of freedom (X Y Z roll pitch yaw) I feel in an aircraft. In a car I feel x and Y. I admire those who can sleep in a flight. I figure I lose several months off my life each flight.
growing up, I lived Harlem on 134th street in a 20 story building in the 70s and 80s and the flight pattern into LGA was directly over my building. So much so that on rainy/foggy days, we would go to the roof, lay down and have the thrill of plane after plane flying directly over. The rook had rocks and some kids would toss them at the passing planes but I dont think anyone ever really came close. At some point (9/11) the pattern was switched ... what was that called if you know Peter? It's as if the planes would cross over Harlem, over the Harlem River, along the south Bronx right to runway 13 (with Rikers on your left). In 2008ish, i would take my four your old out to Queens and we would park by the last landing lights on 83rd street and she would lay on the roof as planes would land. Not a very "common" thing as after 9/11 it seemed most landing came from Westchester or over citifield over flushing bay
In the older days, LGA utilized the River Visual Runway 13 approach where arrivals would fly north on the Hudson then turn right around 125th Street and line up with runway 13. Apparently there was a pilot deviation on that route so it's rarely used anymore.
Peter: What do you call the climb from LGA directly toward Rikers Isl? Must do a video of that one - my favorite LGA departure!
I think you're talking about the standard climb from runway 31 with a right turn after takeoff.
@@PeterMasella Yes! I was seated starboard window, and that right bank after takeoff feels like I'm falling into Rikers lol! I think that's the 'LANNA' run, per your video about it. You were seated port side window, facing lower Manhattan in it.
How do you decide left or right side of the plane? I am coming to LGA from RDU and normally do left side window, but wondering what I’ll see on the right side?
Enjoy your flight. I'm in NC as well, flying from GSO.
It really depends on the wind! Generally if the wind is from the north I choose left and if the wind is from the south I choose right. But it's not guaranteed.
Hi Peter, how much longer do you think this aircraft can stay in service since it's over 30 years old?
I don't know! And I haven't read anything about it either!
Great idea of a video 🎉
Thanks! 😊
Do the Coney climb next.
Ok!
Hi Peter! Live your videos. Quick question, maybe a silly one but how do you find out these flight paths ahead of time? I.e how did you know you were doing the Whitestone Climb and how did you know to strategically position yourself on the left side for best views?
Thanks! Happy flying!
I saw that all departures were flying the Whitestone Climb for hours that day before my flight. Thanks so much for watching!
Looks like LGA is turning into DCA-2
Very well done!!! Fly into COS and we’ll accommodate you, if you come in UA or OO.
Thanks!
cool video with the explanation and atc. are you instrument rated? you seem to know a lot about these procedures.
Thanks! I am not a pilot!
Great video, how do you get such good ATC audio quality?
I use liveatc.net
Great video Peter! Thanks for posting. Would you mind repeating where is LANNA located in NJ?
Thanks! LANNA is in Everittstown (Hunterdon county), NJ
The climb isn't to alleviate departure noise necessarily... Its to keep aircraft inside laguardias lateral airspace while climbing.
It does that too!