Cleaning up your preflop to fold or 3 bet in these spots is one of the simplest adjustments you can make. Also remember you're not incentivized to play marginal hands to very large opens (especially out of position ... even if a whale is involved)
3b or fold 100%. But I would have folded the river without reads. I have only seen once someone bluff raise me here once in my poker career and it was because I induced it. This raise is just about always value. And yes they will do this with AK despite the board at low stakes.
I keep hoping for a call like this: Bart: "OK tell us about the hand" Caller: "i get dealt 72o in the HJ. It folds to me, and I toss it in the muck." Bart: "Great thanks for calling."
@@moneymikz I was present at the time this hand was played. So many players at this game easily call a three bet with this hand - and worse holdings. That's why the game is so great. Recently, I witness a guy call 2/4 diamonds to a $185 four bet heads up. He then called $450 on a two diamond 833 flop. Hero checks the turn when the diamond comes in. Villian bets $700. The hero (a guy who doesn't like to fold) is holding KK with the king of diamonds, he tanks for a minute, obviously doesn't love the bet but makes the call. Villian begs for business, but unfortunately for villian this guy never runs it twice. Not the diamond but K hits the river. Villian flips out shows his 2/4 diamonds.
@@geraldinepeckham3667 I hear you that the game is juicy. I think that’s why Bart said you would want to play your suited connectors that way and not a bad Ace
This is perfect example of compounding mistakes stemming from suboptimal pre flop decisions, A10o is a mix pre like 80% fold and 20% 4!, calling is the nut low choice.
In 3 bet pots when you have AK, you are the agressor, and you flop an Ace on a relatively dry board (unless opponent has QhKh), you are VERY strong so checking back for deception allows the opponent to try and catch up so you can extract max value. In this case, it worked flawlessly because caller had AT. If the opponent had QK suited or QJ suited, allowing them to try and turn a straight draw (or pair up) gives them a false sense of security. It's the ONE time that you should slow play AK in a head's up pot in my opinion, but I'm not a pro :)
I don’t understand how we call the river. We are clearly repping an Ace at minimum. The raise is super strong. He can call down A LOT of hands. I think AJ flats river too. AK or 77/33 nothing else is a river raise IMO
3-bets preflop at low stakes (especially $1/$3) are almost always for value with top notch premium hands (JJ+/AK). And after the flop at those stakes, when you make a bet to show strength and it gets raised, on any street but especially on the river its virtually never a bluff. People at those levels are either only thinking about their own cards and betting for absolute value and/or are afraid any bluff they make if someone is already showing strength will get called down because most people at these stakes aren't able to really make laydowns of decent to good hands. The nanosecond the river bet got raised, i knew there was zero chance that AT was good. Beating low stakes like that is really just playing safe ABC poker, just dont bluff and bet big when you have it and fold when they act like they do even if your hand is fairly strong, it may be boring and luck reliant but that's the way it is until you get to higher stakes and start facing other thinking players.
Great topic. I have close to 2000 hours over the years playing 1-2 winning $20/hr. 1000 hrs at 1-3 making $30/hr. Been saving a bankroll and can travel anywhere. Where are the best 1-3 to 2-5 games in the country? How are the games in Chicago, Vegas, CA, TX... ?
I was looking for this comment bc I laughed so hard when he said that. U had to rewind it to make sure I didn't mess something and he was talking about the turn lol
range theory does not make sense, either. "protecting betting range"?? protecting what and against who? "Knowing" opponent's whole array of cards (so-called "range") won't help you at the end to make decision, anyway. V either has an A or he does not. Even with the A in his hand, what's his kicker??? Range theory does no anticipate K in V hand. AK-J array would not play the hand the way V played. {Period}. So: relying on THAT theory is like leaning on paper wall, hoping it's going to hold your a$$.
I played a hand eerily similar to this one where my opponent clicked it back on the river and I had A 6. I knew the guy was a massive nit but I just couldn't fold second nuts on this board. I ended up 3bet jamming the river and he snap called and showed me A 7. I probably can't fold but maybe I shouldn't raise an OMC without the nuts, even though it's ridiculously hard for him to have A 7.
Could the button check on the flop be a giveaway to his hand strength? I’m kinda new to poker and genuinely asking but I feel like the pre flop aggressor in position should bet literally everything on that flop, and the only hands that would benefit from going off that script and slow playing would be really strong ones.
This is definitely worth of a note for future that villain check/backs Ace low low flush drawy board with top top. Pretty unconventional i would say and not many of players doing so
I doubt it. It's 1/3 game. they have no: a) playing pattern b) clue what they're doing, anyway! This guy played his hand as awful as it gets. From flop to end. This is all you have to know about him. . Example: a player (Q4o) call my (AK) 3-bet pre flop. Then donk-bet and called my flop raise (AK6). Then check-called pot size bet on turn (J). Then rivered a straight (T)!! Went all in. Entire table jumped up in disbelief when he flipped over his hole cards. ohhh, well. Just don't pay them when they hit. Tha's all that matters. And if you don't, then they're great source of your revenue.
Yeah, and at the end Bart says “I don’t have any issue with how you played the hand.” Bart you need to over-emphasize the bad preflop play at the end of the call too!!
Before seeing the reveal, if he has 77, he played literally every street badly. But yeah, none of this really matters since this is such a clear fold pre.
Yeah I’m not with Bart in this one. Fold all day. The way it’s played it screams or AK. Aq and AJ are less likely to 3 bet on the button and KK QQ are suicidal raising on the river.
2:40 you’re supposed to fold 78 suited when you’re 300+ Bb deep? I know that there’s a guy in between, but that’s the kind of hand which plays well multi-way, and the 3 bet wasn’t that large. I swear I’ve seen high stakes pros call 3 bets with suited connectors multi way all the time.
You used to see Garrett do this all the time where he would bet pot or over pot and if he ever got raised it was an easy fold. I couldn’t imagine villain getting to the river this way and turning KK QQ JJ into a bluff. Also all 3bet bluff pre flop should c bet this flop at a high frequency. If villain was gonna bluff I’d assume he would have started on the flop. When V checks back flop it looks like he has showdown value and doesn’t need to bluff flop.
@@jamiealexander7065 ok thanks :) That’s not as ridiculous as it seemed. I guess I should not have been so upset when my local casino raised their rake from $5 to $6 per hand 😂
A quick glance at the comments reveals just what I expected; this is just a fold pre. But I've mostly skipped posting lately, so.... Hero's sizing's are terrible. I mean I guess the turn is not that bad, but river was way too big. I'm also not sure why this seems like an auto-call to Bart. Villains line seems like a classic sandbag to me. This is AK, A7, or 77. What air-balls get to this river? Hero went 90 into 115. How can villain have hearts here? What is he calling with? 7X of... Sure, on the turn villain could have KK or QQ. But do those hands play the river this way? I'm sitting here typing and I honestly have no clue what villain is supposed to have. I'm actually gonna give up.... I feel like this is a trivial fold.
That's why you don't play A10 like this, it makes complete sense people are giving it to him on the boards. He is hopelessly trying to find someone to tell him something to make himself feel better for getting out played from pre to river
The craziest part about this hand is like 200 dollars came off the table and caller thinks its a good rake structure... Sure it's not bad when everyone is 5k deep but oh my god is it terrible when Ur 1200 deep 😂😂😂
4 bet solves this problem. If he called the 4 bet, you know it's a premium. Removes HJ (who folded anyway, but hero didn't know that pre 3 bet). So a call of 4 bet by last to act, in this case the button, heavily weighs toward premium starting hand. JJ + and AK, possibly suited face cards. With the flop and turn, and player has called a pot sized raise, heavily favors an Ace. So raise on river is almost certainly a boat, AK, or very worst, AQ.
4bet is awful. Many hands call a 4bet besides premiums, in particular suited connectors exploiting heroes range in this spot. ATo is just an open fold pre, don’t even raise it. It’s garbage.
nahhh. 4-bet and if you get called, or raised (!?) you know you're done. Little expensive for that piece of information. Just fold, and never look back.
what did he say?! 10% up to $200? did I hear that right? WTF? That's a robbery. you shove all in AA vs KK and the house takes $200 from your 1k profit? Holy shit.
The River bet did not make any sense. Who do you expect to call? only bluff catchers will call and those are very few hands. Anything else will either fold to that bet or raise if they have a good hand, which you cannot beat.
Cleaning up your preflop to fold or 3 bet in these spots is one of the simplest adjustments you can make. Also remember you're not incentivized to play marginal hands to very large opens (especially out of position ... even if a whale is involved)
The idea of check-raising the turn is as terrible as calling the river. You are never ever ever good here 1 out of 4 times in a $1/3 game.
3b or fold 100%. But I would have folded the river without reads. I have only seen once someone bluff raise me here once in my poker career and it was because I induced it. This raise is just about always value. And yes they will do this with AK despite the board at low stakes.
I keep hoping for a call like this:
Bart: "OK tell us about the hand"
Caller: "i get dealt 72o in the HJ. It folds to me, and I toss it in the muck."
Bart: "Great thanks for calling."
No, you forgot the intro where Bart goes on a tangent on how he's either played or yet to play at Caller's casino.
But there’s no reveal
Bart: “but suppose caller, it had been 73o, would you have played it the same way?”
"I was actually villain in this hand with 83o, and I also folded predlop."
This is just a fold preflop.
Yep shortest call ever
@@moneymikz I was present at the time this hand was played. So many players at this game easily call a three bet with this hand - and worse holdings. That's why the game is so great. Recently, I witness a guy call 2/4 diamonds to a $185 four bet heads up. He then called $450 on a two diamond 833 flop. Hero checks the turn when the diamond comes in. Villian bets $700. The hero (a guy who doesn't like to fold) is holding KK with the king of diamonds, he tanks for a minute, obviously doesn't love the bet but makes the call. Villian begs for business, but unfortunately for villian this guy never runs it twice. Not the diamond but K hits the river. Villian flips out shows his 2/4 diamonds.
@@geraldinepeckham3667 I hear you that the game is juicy. I think that’s why Bart said you would want to play your suited connectors that way and not a bad Ace
And by the way, it is not capped at $200 it is capped at $20
Idk if I even open tbh
This is perfect example of compounding mistakes stemming from suboptimal pre flop decisions, A10o is a mix pre like 80% fold and 20% 4!, calling is the nut low choice.
Really brutal flat to the button 3b.
12:36 Do you think he's ever bluffing with AK 😂
I was kinda half watching the video and working and I heard that and I had to do a triple take like wtf are you smoking buddy
looking back knowing hero knew it was AK and said this is so funny. especially with barts laugh and what he said
“Passive fish” says the guy calling out of position with a garbage hand 😂
🧦🦄🫎🐴🐯🐵🐽
In 3 bet pots when you have AK, you are the agressor, and you flop an Ace on a relatively dry board (unless opponent has QhKh), you are VERY strong so checking back for deception allows the opponent to try and catch up so you can extract max value. In this case, it worked flawlessly because caller had AT. If the opponent had QK suited or QJ suited, allowing them to try and turn a straight draw (or pair up) gives them a false sense of security. It's the ONE time that you should slow play AK in a head's up pot in my opinion, but I'm not a pro :)
Completely agree. If you bet all your Ax combos here, your checking range is also way too weak. So balancing your checking range with AK is good.
I don’t understand how we call the river. We are clearly repping an Ace at minimum. The raise is super strong. He can call down A LOT of hands. I think AJ flats river too. AK or 77/33 nothing else is a river raise IMO
What's going on with Bart??? In a $1/3 game you are never ever good 1 out of 4 times.
Exactly! What does villain raise with worse than A10 on river in a 1/3 game? It’s a fold preflop and on the river
“Protect my checking range” 😂😂😂😂
well, someone invented the range, and now he has to protect it.
Isn’t your checking range like 99.9% in this situation😂😂😂😂
I mean maybe I’m just not good enough to understand optimal donk strategies but that will never be me
3-bets preflop at low stakes (especially $1/$3) are almost always for value with top notch premium hands (JJ+/AK). And after the flop at those stakes, when you make a bet to show strength and it gets raised, on any street but especially on the river its virtually never a bluff. People at those levels are either only thinking about their own cards and betting for absolute value and/or are afraid any bluff they make if someone is already showing strength will get called down because most people at these stakes aren't able to really make laydowns of decent to good hands. The nanosecond the river bet got raised, i knew there was zero chance that AT was good. Beating low stakes like that is really just playing safe ABC poker, just dont bluff and bet big when you have it and fold when they act like they do even if your hand is fairly strong, it may be boring and luck reliant but that's the way it is until you get to higher stakes and start facing other thinking players.
IMO, A10 should have never saw the flop... he put himself in this spot
Fold pre
Then ask what are his bluffs once you bet pot and he raises pot?
If he has no bluffs your pot odds are irrelevant.
..yeah. When you're beat, pot odds are just your excuse for losing. And for as long as you find an excuse, you'll keep losing.
Yeah I wish Bart told what he thinks are villain's bluffs here.
Great topic. I have close to 2000 hours over the years playing 1-2 winning $20/hr. 1000 hrs at 1-3 making $30/hr. Been saving a bankroll and can travel anywhere. Where are the best 1-3 to 2-5 games in the country? How are the games in Chicago, Vegas, CA, TX... ?
12:36 "Do you think he is ever bluffing with AK......."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
10% with a 200 cap is a ridiculously horrible rake. Stacks are deep yeah, but still 200 out of a 2800 pot is just gross.
he talked about protecting his checking range while he was oop and not the preflop aggressor. does not make any sense to me.
It’s always good to have a checking range that includes top pair so that opponents can’t just cbet with impunity.
lol, his line will make sense if he had Ak instead of A10.
@@ticenits1926 he was out of position!!!! you always check in that line and not the preflop agggressor.
I was looking for this comment bc I laughed so hard when he said that. U had to rewind it to make sure I didn't mess something and he was talking about the turn lol
range theory does not make sense, either. "protecting betting range"?? protecting what and against who? "Knowing" opponent's whole array of cards (so-called "range") won't help you at the end to make decision, anyway. V either has an A or he does not. Even with the A in his hand, what's his kicker??? Range theory does no anticipate K in V hand. AK-J array would not play the hand the way V played. {Period}. So: relying on THAT theory is like leaning on paper wall, hoping it's going to hold your a$$.
I played a hand eerily similar to this one where my opponent clicked it back on the river and I had A 6. I knew the guy was a massive nit but I just couldn't fold second nuts on this board. I ended up 3bet jamming the river and he snap called and showed me A 7. I probably can't fold but maybe I shouldn't raise an OMC without the nuts, even though it's ridiculously hard for him to have A 7.
Could the button check on the flop be a giveaway to his hand strength? I’m kinda new to poker and genuinely asking but I feel like the pre flop aggressor in position should bet literally everything on that flop, and the only hands that would benefit from going off that script and slow playing would be really strong ones.
This is definitely worth of a note for future that villain check/backs Ace low low flush drawy board with top top. Pretty unconventional i would say and not many of players doing so
I doubt it. It's 1/3 game. they have no: a) playing pattern b) clue what they're doing, anyway! This guy played his hand as awful as it gets. From flop to end. This is all you have to know about him.
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Example: a player (Q4o) call my (AK) 3-bet pre flop. Then donk-bet and called my flop raise (AK6). Then check-called pot size bet on turn (J). Then rivered a straight (T)!! Went all in. Entire table jumped up in disbelief when he flipped over his hole cards. ohhh, well.
Just don't pay them when they hit. Tha's all that matters. And if you don't, then they're great source of your revenue.
I agree. Villian played it bad but it worked in his favor here.
14 mins to fold pre😂
Yeah, and at the end Bart says “I don’t have any issue with how you played the hand.”
Bart you need to over-emphasize the bad preflop play at the end of the call too!!
Before seeing the reveal, if he has 77, he played literally every street badly. But yeah, none of this really matters since this is such a clear fold pre.
2:47 How ATo could be a better call 3B opp mw than 87s ??
I’m folding off the turn.. higher ace or even a low set mine that hit
This is a snap river fold in these games, if you got here. People like to bluff in these home games but not in this spot. Hero wins almost never here
Yeah I’m not with Bart in this one. Fold all day. The way it’s played it screams or AK. Aq and AJ are less likely to 3 bet on the button and KK QQ are suicidal raising on the river.
“Do you think he’s bluffing with AK” 😂😂
2:40 you’re supposed to fold 78 suited when you’re 300+ Bb deep? I know that there’s a guy in between, but that’s the kind of hand which plays well multi-way, and the 3 bet wasn’t that large. I swear I’ve seen high stakes pros call 3 bets with suited connectors multi way all the time.
You used to see Garrett do this all the time where he would bet pot or over pot and if he ever got raised it was an easy fold. I couldn’t imagine villain getting to the river this way and turning KK QQ JJ into a bluff. Also all 3bet bluff pre flop should c bet this flop at a high frequency. If villain was gonna bluff I’d assume he would have started on the flop. When V checks back flop it looks like he has showdown value and doesn’t need to bluff flop.
Did he say 10% to 200? Wtf…. That’s wildly unbeatable playing 1/3
Does that mean 10% of up to $200 for a max rake of $20????
@@Bert_Farve from how I usually hear rake spoken about it would mean 10% with a max rake of 200 dollars
@@Bert_Farvemax is 20, and this place is actually legit (most games in the city overrake when you’re not paying attention)
@@jamiealexander7065
ok thanks :)
That’s not as ridiculous as it seemed. I guess I should not have been so upset when my local casino raised their rake from $5 to $6 per hand 😂
@@Bert_Farve the biggest PLO game I went to in New York took 300 a hand 😂
bart can you help me find this game?
I’ve played a very similar one with A10 and folded the river and the guy had 99 (second pair) so probably why I’d dump it pre
U must play a lot of poker
Does anyone know if there is a way to submit hands if you are not a CLP subscriber - I have a very good one
it would cost you less time and effort by clicking "subscribe" button.
@@pot_kivach160I am subscribed to the CLP RUclips channel, but not the CLP coaching which has a monthly fee
A quick glance at the comments reveals just what I expected; this is just a fold pre. But I've mostly skipped posting lately, so....
Hero's sizing's are terrible. I mean I guess the turn is not that bad, but river was way too big. I'm also not sure why this seems like an auto-call to Bart. Villains line seems like a classic sandbag to me. This is AK, A7, or 77. What air-balls get to this river? Hero went 90 into 115. How can villain have hearts here? What is he calling with? 7X of...
Sure, on the turn villain could have KK or QQ. But do those hands play the river this way? I'm sitting here typing and I honestly have no clue what villain is supposed to have. I'm actually gonna give up.... I feel like this is a trivial fold.
Before listening to the end my guess is ace 3 spades
Easy fold pre. Easy overbet fold river.
This was a good way to sum it up actually
Where's this played Bobby? Um Bobby's Room in Bellagio.
Totally totally
That's why you don't play A10 like this, it makes complete sense people are giving it to him on the boards. He is hopelessly trying to find someone to tell him something to make himself feel better for getting out played from pre to river
I used to go to this game literally everyday 😂
The craziest part about this hand is like 200 dollars came off the table and caller thinks its a good rake structure... Sure it's not bad when everyone is 5k deep but oh my god is it terrible when Ur 1200 deep 😂😂😂
He misspoke, cap is 20 not 200
fish in call .. at is a fold pre
4 bet solves this problem. If he called the 4 bet, you know it's a premium. Removes HJ (who folded anyway, but hero didn't know that pre 3 bet). So a call of 4 bet by last to act, in this case the button, heavily weighs toward premium starting hand. JJ + and AK, possibly suited face cards. With the flop and turn, and player has called a pot sized raise, heavily favors an Ace. So raise on river is almost certainly a boat, AK, or very worst, AQ.
This! As discussed in the video, 3! or fold your AT pre
button 3!
@@bobby__conroy Right, I meant 4! or fold your ATo , of course, sorry :)
4bet is awful. Many hands call a 4bet besides premiums, in particular suited connectors exploiting heroes range in this spot. ATo is just an open fold pre, don’t even raise it. It’s garbage.
nahhh. 4-bet and if you get called, or raised (!?) you know you're done. Little expensive for that piece of information.
Just fold, and never look back.
what did he say?! 10% up to $200? did I hear that right?
WTF? That's a robbery. you shove all in AA vs KK and the house takes $200 from your 1k profit?
Holy shit.
Totally
Easy fold pre and I would fold river
Moral of the story Just fold A10o to a 3bet out of position and you wouldn’t have this problem.
Why stop at $200 rake? Leaving some money on the table there. Literally
It's not $200 it's $20. The guy made a mistake. It's capped at $20
I run a game and we have a $15 rake
lol
The River bet did not make any sense. Who do you expect to call? only bluff catchers will call and those are very few hands. Anything else will either fold to that bet or raise if they have a good hand, which you cannot beat.
Is trying to get worse ace x to call?? And those would be what? A5? Lol
Misplayed by both players.
BLUFFING WITH AK FOR A MIN RAISE AFTER CHECKING FLOP?!?!?!?!?!?! I want what this guy is smoking.
Home games play different… there the best games and where the best players rly shine….
He screwed himself, preflight by calling with Ace 10 off
up to 200? wtf
I hate AT
First
No way Bart is going to those home games in the burroughs lol
"Hijack is a pretty passive fish" says the stupid fish.
Right 😂😂😂