I have no idea because I would just check snap call this river. It looks like as played I have a bunch of nines through queens and the ace should scare me when i check the turn & river.
I was thinking this was a snap call especially with the villain's image caller is describing. Seemed like caller was nitting this way too hard 4 handed to be calling AQ or AJ but folding A3s. Don't think the jam over the blocker changes anything with how aggressive caller made villain out to be.
IMO the solver would say bet-call is standard and bet-fold insanely criminal. Vs an aggressive pro this is a huge blunder, I think this guy is trying to find maniac bluffs like the solver does (could see solver jamming 88 here). Vs a guy trying to play GTO we should play GTO which is a clear call.
Its hard to put myself in that spot since if I check the turn Im likely checking river if opponent is a good player, but I think I may have folded since Im struggling finding bluffs that make sense.
Def chk/evaluate on River. When you lead out after checking turn, you’re range is capped to one pair (aces) and a lot of bluffs. This makes it easier to play against from villains POV. I think the hand started off bad with the small 4bet. I think you should go much bigger with a hand you really don’t want to play with, and smaller with premiums. In this case, hero 4bet was too small and especially in live games, you’re really never getting folds so you’re in a tough spot trying to narrow his range (from 3bet to call 4bet). A really nice hand to pick something up from and you have to give props to villain for identifying hero’s weakish range and pouncing. Ty caller & Bart
Incredible content. I love listening to this caliber of hand-explored discussion that all leads to the hand-conclusion. Incredible content. Thanks Bart!
@@Kelavis I didn't get that, according to the hero V was going to jam anyway on a possible bluff so a check is the obvious play, should have planned ahead and made the choice to call or fold before taking that check/bet decision, would have saved some of his stack.
There really should be an investigation into Bart's chair vibrating at 11:30 so obvious! 😁 another great rundown, thanks for your videos, it is like learning without knowing it.
Sounds like the hero didn't have any more money in his pocket. If someone can break down the psychology of poker decisions when on your last buy-in, I'd love to hear it. There has to be a difference. The poker gods do exist. And they hate fiends.
I think it's a good idea to only gamble with money you expect to lose as if it's part of your entertainment budget. This way you can make calls and bets without thinking about if you'll be able to pay the mortgage on time depending upon the outcome of the hand. Of course, pro players can't do that but recreational ones can. Anyone who has $20,000 for a weekend entertainment budget is well above the tax bracket that I'm in.
I stopped at 4:16 to point out that the straddle/CO sized to 4.67x the hero's open (1400 vs 300) when he was _in position_ (and thus incentivized to use a smaller 3-bet sizing). That suggests that the range of hands that he's 3-betting for that sizing is reduced. In turn, that suggests that he's going to continue with a _very_ high percentage of that large-3-bet-range when facing the hero's small 4-bet size. I honestly can't think of that many hands that he'll end up bailing on, in position.
I think it is the opposite for the majority of players. People tend to 3 bet larger preflop wider when they want folds preflop, deception, and narrow their opponents range. Hands like 67s, middle pocket pairs , and A rag reraise larger to get immediate folds or set up deception if called regardless of position. In position, you might see a pattern where someone will raise smaller with premiums in position because they don't want you to fold. Also there is a 3rd blind in the pot which incentivizes to win it preflop.
The scared block bet on the river was sussed out by the villain and they made a wise shove. Perhaps the villain is more properly rolled than the hero here.
in a vacuum bet like 1/3 pot on river seems right to me. youre just going to show up with tons of aces and tons of bluffs when you take this line, so bet enough to fold him off his QQ-88 or get value from his kings depending on your hand. having said that, given the read on villain, i think check-calling the river makes sense in this particular hand. you say if you check hes betting huge a lot bc hes aggressive so give him some rope. its also hard to get value from your top pair here the more skilled your opponent is. it just looks like you have AQ. so skilled, tricky, agressive opponents will mostly fold, sometimes spazz bluff when you bet small. as opposed to lower limit, less skilled players wholl shrug and pay off your small bet with less than top pair.
I can’t believe this guy with his contradicting and confused thought process ever plays these stakes 😂 his reasoning fr river not checking is hilarious
Yeah, I’m just never folding here and honestly Bart saying it’s close is ridiculous. This is not a hard decision. 4b! bluffing light 4 handed, checks turn to realize equity against a range that has basically every pocket pair and a few draws that brick, actually get there on the river, and then folds to a 3x raise that would amount to quarter pot if called. Guy is playing over his roll, which can be fine (I guess) if you can find some balls and use the logic within the hand as opposed to after the fact slapping some poker jargon on to what really amounts to a scared money fold. If you’re throwing BRM to the wind, acknowledge that you are there to win or lose a lot of money and just play your best. Villain’s river line is really never just a better single paired Ace, he has a number of hands that beat you obviously but it’s simply way too thin to fold given the pot. This guy was not thinking about anything but whether or not he wanted to risk that last 10k in front of him, villain realized this, hero got mushroom slapped for it.
I wonder if this guy is a winning player at these stakes? His thought process is bad. “The player bluffs the river too much so I wanted to block.” Why? If he’s aggressive and he will turn to many hands into bluffs then just check call.
I actually think he understands it's just scary to make that kind of a call and he's trying to avoid the spot altogether by betting low. Timid players like this get exploited easily by crazies who love to throw their stack around.
@@nuklearwinter2892 Yeah, I agree. It's still hard to call aggressive players down sometimes, though. But in this case if he's explicitly telling us that he's trying to block the bluff then this shows that he's playing scared which, I agree, probably means he's playing for too much money.
I think a check call is the play on the river. Before they even discussed it. Maybe fold if you have some amazing read but I’d just check/snap basically. 1010-QQ is a very likely range that would play it as the caller. The problem is they can jam their aces with high confidence. The king is value obv so his spades are unlikely to bluff outside of 109 j10 or qj. I still just check call the river. I hate block bets. Really good players will shove over a block bet with a bluff but check back the river.
Maybe check call would be a better line at the end? Opponent not likely to call with a King or pocket pairs and hero unblock spades draws. If hero's river bet did get call, it is very likely to be ace high spade draws that pair up at the end with a better kicker. Might as well check call any bluff that villain might have
Regarding the small preflop 4bet. This is basically a BvB spot. If the villain is well studied, I’d assume he is playing these stakes, he’s likely using a polar 3bet strategy out of what is effectively the BB. Vs a polar strategy 4betting slightly smaller is actually quite good. Vs a linear strategy it’s obviously way too small.
Gotta gotta gotta call. Not being results oriented, this was my assertion since the river. I think a turn bet was in order too. Yes his spot is under bluffed, but he figured you thought an ace was good for your range and made a scared bluff which he pounced on and ended getting you off the best hand. He figured you had 99-QQ OR a random king or missed draw. 4 handed against an aggro capable pro you have to call there with an ace. You’re not behind very often at all. He has some read on you. Maybe he knows you normally play smaller or that you’re not properly rolled. Tough lesson. Great call in though. Been there.
He probably thought your range was capped after checking back the turn- He saw an opportunity to blast off and take the pot.. It’s ballsy but a strong play imo!!!
I think this is a check/call all day. If you check your definitely going to induce a bluff. If you bet and he raises you, you lose to all aces except ace four. And if you know he bluffs a lot give him a chance to give you his money.
It depends. Higher stakes games the opens can tend to be smaller, maybe 2.5x the straddle. So a button open could be $250. From the SB obviously you want to go a little bigger, I think $300 is probably ok, but $350 is probably better. For slightly lower stakes games you are absolutely correct, even as big as $10/20, the standard open is going to usually be 3x.
The way hero described villain I was begging him to call on the river. Hero's small bet on the river looks weak and villain could easily turn up with a bluff. Ranges are wide 4 handed. An ace is very strong. If hero decided to be small on the flop he MUST bet large on the turn to represent ace king. When hero's small flop bet is called villains range is still wide. Either bet large on the flop and check the turn. or bet small on the flop and bet large on the turn. Hero being scared of villain bluffing river is wild. he's playing above his bank roll. He should definitely check if he thinks villain will bluff all in instead of being scared of an all in bluff. Hero is playing above his bank roll
Can you explain deeper why you say caller is playing above his bankroll? Is it strictly because he was more willing to block bet rather than letting villain hang himself with a big bluff? I’m about to move up in stakes and I really want to make sure I don’t play like I’m not properly bankrolled even though I am. I am not yet at reveal only at villain jamming river but if hero folds, I see that as tell he’s not properly bankrolled.
It’s not a maniac move. He had you pegged on the exact type of hand you had, because your river bet size screams “I hit my ace and want to get some value but it’s not strong enough to call a shove.” I find that the biggest exploit in live poker is a player’s bet sizing, especially if they’re playing “correctly”. They’d might as well be playing face up.
Enjoyable discussion as always Bart. One thing that I thought warranted a bit of discussion was villain's preflop 3bet size. He went 1400 from 300, about 4.5x hero's open. Is this really a thing? I know the stacks are deep but this feels like a massive 3bet in position?
4 bet bigger pf, this size isn’t folding out any of his value range. Edit: im on the turn since id never play it this way i have no idea what id do here. If you 4 bet bigger you could bet 1/3 flop then jam turn. As played id probably check give up. Idk Edit 2: im on river and just seems like such a good check call spot.
This hand was played terriblyyy top to bottom. If you are going to turn a3s into a 4 bet bluff, need to size bigger pre flop out of position. Preflop mis play really screws up post flop too because you have to cbet this board, but villian just has so many hands that are 4 betting calling including like the very top of his range that also connect to this board and I just don’t see him folding. Turn check fine, best play of this hand. finally giving up on the hand as you pick up no additional equity on the turn. River: hero leads 4.5k but is planning to fold to a jam???? If you state this guy is a good player he is not going to call off with 8s and knows pretty much any thing you are trying to go for value against is just never good. Check protect your ace and maybe he takes a stab and call off or he might just check back a ton of his other hands he is hoping to win with a king maybe against like pocket against queens or pocket jacks. Pot has just gotten too big to take a 4.5k stab and fold to a jam, just check and call down a reasonable bet and you are going to win a lot when villian checks back too.
Tbh I'd rather check call river, it's way easier to play and you can force him into bluffing as he did. Especially at these stakes where they can turn great bluffs. Imo the blocking bets work way better at low stkes.
No point in 4 betting if you make it so small unless your opponent is a station and you have a big edge in the game. Hero is probably not as aggressive as he thinks, checking the turn. Hero underestimates his opponent. When hero checks the turn, there is no point in betting the river. What is he getting value from? At some frequency villian is betting a pair of K when checked to on the turn. Since villian is "bluff heavy," check river and catch his bluffs and lose the minimum when he has a better A.
Sometimes we can way overthink stuff. You checked turn then bet small when the ace came. You might as well have played your hand face up; I’m shoving with whatever I got here with all day.
Any conversation on the 4 handed game existing because of the whale and deviating PF to not get felted by a pro with a PF bluff hand when the whale’s money is still good?
I’m not even close to good enough to play these stakes, but he bets River targeting Kx suited hands? Is villain check turn here with Kx after you show weakness? I highly doubt it, imo
River is a check call. If you’re not ready to call a jam. You losing your 4.5k to the wind now. I had him on TT-QQ but seems about the same. Playing with scared money is never helping. That’s why he’s the pro.
Do you really have the bank role for this game? Seems like a lot of play in poker is effected my an under funded cash. What is the bank role for this game? 200k?
Very unfortunate trainwreck of a hand, hero sets up opponent perfectly on the river (for all the wrong reasons but whatever), has a decent read, then completely owns himself. I think they both get the river raise all in treshold wrong for villain. He can, and if he was a good aggro hs pro he definitely would jam AJ+, possibly even AT, hero is telegraphing his hand strength very hard with that block, I doubt he is ever stronger than AT/AJ there. Fwiw I think he should jam those himself, but probably wouldn't.
I prefer to call the 3 bet, or 4-bet bluff to a much larger size. Small 4 bet OOP makes little sense. A3s shld play ok OOP so I prefer the call. Flop: why lead? As played, I think villain had showdown value on the flop and turn. So I want to check-call the river…
Why is this guy 4betting out of position vs a strong aggressive player if he’s playing scared the whole time? This guy should have just folded pre to the 3bet.
@@moaf2padventures757 sure, but if your post flop play is mostly just button clicking then why bother with advanced plays like this? Clearly the caller was trying to implement a 4 bet bluff but had zero plan for the hand post flop and got himself in an awkward spot, hence the call in hand. He could have just saved himself 10k and a headache by folding pre.
Well, I'm never playing at $20K stakes, so there's that. But just in vacuum, it seems with the down bet/check/near block size line you took, you primed yourself to appear weak. I think this is a call all day - this hand has more of a typical online feel, it's not that out there. And you described villain as a pro, so there's that.
Hero said the guy was a big bluffer, though... Sometimes people jam to get value, other times they jam because it is the only way to win and it seemed fairly obvious that was the case here... Villain should have bet huge on the turn or hero should have checked river if he was capable of folding a jam on the river...
You’re are the one 4 bet before the flop, the flop is in your range, I like the bet, but the 7 turn changed nothing why checked ? Stick with your story, then once you hit the ace on the river you have show down value, check to him like you’re scared of the ace, he’ll most likely bluff all in and you snap called, won 20 g . But I think he’ll most likely folded on the turn.
Lots of poker words and terminology, but none of the strategy seemed coherent to me. Why are you thinking about a jam when you pair on the river? Talked about 100% c betting 4 bet pots and then on the flop said how this board means he can bet. Was worried about SPR and playing 2 streets on the flop instead of thinking how the different hands in his range play this board. You can’t make some massive deviation saying this is a call every time because the guy makes some maniac all in one time. Checking the turn and then block betting the river seems bad and completely capped your range. The “If I check he might bluff” and not naming the room this happened in leads me to believe this caller is full of it.
i want to get better at poker but disagree with you that range advantage or blockers matter. just because you have a J or a 10 doesnt mean they cant have straights. its only 1 card out of 4. also, you should NEVER be 3 or 4 betting with wheel aces. i also don't believe in GTO or solvers. overbet bluffing is also dumb. don't need to be balanced at mid/high or any stakes.
Getting 3-1 here on the river would you calling her facing the jam with A3?
I have no idea because I would just check snap call this river. It looks like as played I have a bunch of nines through queens and the ace should scare me when i check the turn & river.
I was thinking this was a snap call especially with the villain's image caller is describing. Seemed like caller was nitting this way too hard 4 handed to be calling AQ or AJ but folding A3s. Don't think the jam over the blocker changes anything with how aggressive caller made villain out to be.
I would have checked the river vs this type of opponent. The lead is pretty terrible.
IMO the solver would say bet-call is standard and bet-fold insanely criminal. Vs an aggressive pro this is a huge blunder, I think this guy is trying to find maniac bluffs like the solver does (could see solver jamming 88 here). Vs a guy trying to play GTO we should play GTO which is a clear call.
Its hard to put myself in that spot since if I check the turn Im likely checking river if opponent is a good player, but I think I may have folded since Im struggling finding bluffs that make sense.
Unblocking flush draws and an A in your hand seems like a great river to induce and check/call.
Except all of V's nut flush draws beat you
Enjoy this caller’s reasoning and tone. Call back again soon!
He’s a lying fish.
Def chk/evaluate on River. When you lead out after checking turn, you’re range is capped to one pair (aces) and a lot of bluffs. This makes it easier to play against from villains POV.
I think the hand started off bad with the small 4bet. I think you should go much bigger with a hand you really don’t want to play with, and smaller with premiums. In this case, hero 4bet was too small and especially in live games, you’re really never getting folds so you’re in a tough spot trying to narrow his range (from 3bet to call 4bet).
A really nice hand to pick something up from and you have to give props to villain for identifying hero’s weakish range and pouncing.
Ty caller & Bart
You shouldn't change your bet size with your hand strength. You should bet big with your bluffs and big with your value.
Incredible content. I love listening to this caliber of hand-explored discussion that all leads to the hand-conclusion. Incredible content. Thanks Bart!
“If I check he might bluff”
You’re playing above your bankroll
This
Because the table was so short handed, battles like this must happen pretty often and is a battle of wills more often than not.
If I'm leading river with 4.5k, I'm never folding to 14.4 with that hand against that opponent.
Exactly, if there was a chance you fold to a jam then why not check the river?
@@Kelavis I didn't get that, according to the hero V was going to jam anyway on a possible bluff so a check is the obvious play, should have planned ahead and made the choice to call or fold before taking that check/bet decision, would have saved some of his stack.
“He’d probably 5bet the A5” Had me dying laughing, maybe its just the edible but that was hilarious
Haha he might not be wrong though against an aggressive pro that knows their stuff. A5s is a very common bluff jam by solvers even for 200BB.
@@PrimeTerrific Yes you block aa and you do well also again qq/KK👨🍳
He also said he flats kings and aces tho so there’s that
How can you tell if someone is a pot smoker? Just wait 5 minutes and they'll tell you.
@@hammondOT "Oh no people have a common trait to relate to, better let them know I don't like it"
There really should be an investigation into Bart's chair vibrating at 11:30 so obvious! 😁
another great rundown, thanks for your videos, it is like learning without knowing it.
Sounds like the hero didn't have any more money in his pocket. If someone can break down the psychology of poker decisions when on your last buy-in, I'd love to hear it. There has to be a difference. The poker gods do exist. And they hate fiends.
I think it's a good idea to only gamble with money you expect to lose as if it's part of your entertainment budget. This way you can make calls and bets without thinking about if you'll be able to pay the mortgage on time depending upon the outcome of the hand. Of course, pro players can't do that but recreational ones can. Anyone who has $20,000 for a weekend entertainment budget is well above the tax bracket that I'm in.
Guys in this sized games are not on their last buy in
I stopped at 4:16 to point out that the straddle/CO sized to 4.67x the hero's open (1400 vs 300) when he was _in position_ (and thus incentivized to use a smaller 3-bet sizing). That suggests that the range of hands that he's 3-betting for that sizing is reduced. In turn, that suggests that he's going to continue with a _very_ high percentage of that large-3-bet-range when facing the hero's small 4-bet size. I honestly can't think of that many hands that he'll end up bailing on, in position.
I think it is the opposite for the majority of players. People tend to 3 bet larger preflop wider when they want folds preflop, deception, and narrow their opponents range. Hands like 67s, middle pocket pairs , and A rag reraise larger to get immediate folds or set up deception if called regardless of position. In position, you might see a pattern where someone will raise smaller with premiums in position because they don't want you to fold. Also there is a 3rd blind in the pot which incentivizes to win it preflop.
As the villain from the hand I can confirm that this was just a misclick 😅
The scared block bet on the river was sussed out by the villain and they made a wise shove. Perhaps the villain is more properly rolled than the hero here.
in a vacuum bet like 1/3 pot on river seems right to me. youre just going to show up with tons of aces and tons of bluffs when you take this line, so bet enough to fold him off his QQ-88 or get value from his kings depending on your hand.
having said that, given the read on villain, i think check-calling the river makes sense in this particular hand. you say if you check hes betting huge a lot bc hes aggressive so give him some rope. its also hard to get value from your top pair here the more skilled your opponent is. it just looks like you have AQ. so skilled, tricky, agressive opponents will mostly fold, sometimes spazz bluff when you bet small. as opposed to lower limit, less skilled players wholl shrug and pay off your small bet with less than top pair.
👌 great vid Bart pure entertainment
Wish I was in this game
I can’t believe this guy with his contradicting and confused thought process ever plays these stakes 😂 his reasoning fr river not checking is hilarious
Yeah, I’m just never folding here and honestly Bart saying it’s close is ridiculous. This is not a hard decision. 4b! bluffing light 4 handed, checks turn to realize equity against a range that has basically every pocket pair and a few draws that brick, actually get there on the river, and then folds to a 3x raise that would amount to quarter pot if called.
Guy is playing over his roll, which can be fine (I guess) if you can find some balls and use the logic within the hand as opposed to after the fact slapping some poker jargon on to what really amounts to a scared money fold. If you’re throwing BRM to the wind, acknowledge that you are there to win or lose a lot of money and just play your best. Villain’s river line is really never just a better single paired Ace, he has a number of hands that beat you obviously but it’s simply way too thin to fold given the pot. This guy was not thinking about anything but whether or not he wanted to risk that last 10k in front of him, villain realized this, hero got mushroom slapped for it.
Easy to say not in the hand. The reason I like Bart he pretends its his money in there.
Sup Bart, heard your commentary on the Garrett/Robbie hand on the Stern show. Big fan of you and Howard. Pretty cool.
I’m going to have to check that out. I hope he got Bart to talk about his penis size or sex life.
This highlights the mess you make when your sizing plans aren't well formed
Damn this was a great call, two people discussing their craft at a top level!
The caller is a complete fish and liar. He contradicted himself 5 times and is completely full of shit.
I wonder if this guy is a winning player at these stakes? His thought process is bad. “The player bluffs the river too much so I wanted to block.” Why? If he’s aggressive and he will turn to many hands into bluffs then just check call.
I’m a 5 5 PLO player and this seems incredibly obvious to me. It’s hard to fathom that someone at such high stakes doesn’t understand it.
No chance. He’s drawing dead.
I actually think he understands it's just scary to make that kind of a call and he's trying to avoid the spot altogether by betting low. Timid players like this get exploited easily by crazies who love to throw their stack around.
@@johngleue I think you’re right but that means he’s not exercising proper bankroll management. The caller seems way out of his depth.
@@nuklearwinter2892 Yeah, I agree. It's still hard to call aggressive players down sometimes, though. But in this case if he's explicitly telling us that he's trying to block the bluff then this shows that he's playing scared which, I agree, probably means he's playing for too much money.
That's tough... He called this guy's style from the beginning and failed to execute on what he knew... He has to call there...
I think a check call is the play on the river. Before they even discussed it. Maybe fold if you have some amazing read but I’d just check/snap basically. 1010-QQ is a very likely range that would play it as the caller. The problem is they can jam their aces with high confidence. The king is value obv so his spades are unlikely to bluff outside of 109 j10 or qj.
I still just check call the river. I hate block bets. Really good players will shove over a block bet with a bluff but check back the river.
I meant 10-qq would be a very likely read the villain would have on you.
Maybe check call would be a better line at the end? Opponent not likely to call with a King or pocket pairs and hero unblock spades draws. If hero's river bet did get call, it is very likely to be ace high spade draws that pair up at the end with a better kicker. Might as well check call any bluff that villain might have
I would check/call river. Regardless of the Bet size. The larger the Bet, the faster I'd called.
Regarding the small preflop 4bet. This is basically a BvB spot. If the villain is well studied, I’d assume he is playing these stakes, he’s likely using a polar 3bet strategy out of what is effectively the BB. Vs a polar strategy 4betting slightly smaller is actually quite good. Vs a linear strategy it’s obviously way too small.
Gotta gotta gotta call. Not being results oriented, this was my assertion since the river. I think a turn bet was in order too. Yes his spot is under bluffed, but he figured you thought an ace was good for your range and made a scared bluff which he pounced on and ended getting you off the best hand. He figured you had 99-QQ OR a random king or missed draw. 4 handed against an aggro capable pro you have to call there with an ace. You’re not behind very often at all. He has some read on you. Maybe he knows you normally play smaller or that you’re not properly rolled. Tough lesson. Great call in though. Been there.
Theory is to go 10-20% on the flop, small with range on the turn, and then small or jam with range on river
He probably thought your range was capped after checking back the turn- He saw an opportunity to blast off and take the pot.. It’s ballsy but a strong play imo!!!
And that’s why deviation block betting into good opponents / pros is not good.
That was an awesome hand.
Check call river, not enough hands to target to get get value from In 4-bet pot at this river
I think this is a check/call all day.
If you check your definitely going to induce a bluff. If you bet and he raises you, you lose to all aces except ace four. And if you know he bluffs a lot give him a chance to give you his money.
He says hes getting 4:1 on a call which is wrong, it's 3:1...don't know why you didnt correct him there Bart
is 300 a good open size out of the SB vs 2 others? im thinking 350 400 out of the sb would be better? what do you think?
It depends. Higher stakes games the opens can tend to be smaller, maybe 2.5x the straddle. So a button open could be $250.
From the SB obviously you want to go a little bigger, I think $300 is probably ok, but $350 is probably better.
For slightly lower stakes games you are absolutely correct, even as big as $10/20, the standard open is going to usually be 3x.
The way hero described villain I was begging him to call on the river. Hero's small bet on the river looks weak and villain could easily turn up with a bluff. Ranges are wide 4 handed. An ace is very strong. If hero decided to be small on the flop he MUST bet large on the turn to represent ace king. When hero's small flop bet is called villains range is still wide. Either bet large on the flop and check the turn. or bet small on the flop and bet large on the turn.
Hero being scared of villain bluffing river is wild. he's playing above his bank roll. He should definitely check if he thinks villain will bluff all in instead of being scared of an all in bluff. Hero is playing above his bank roll
Can you explain deeper why you say caller is playing above his bankroll? Is it strictly because he was more willing to block bet rather than letting villain hang himself with a big bluff? I’m about to move up in stakes and I really want to make sure I don’t play like I’m not properly bankrolled even though I am.
I am not yet at reveal only at villain jamming river but if hero folds, I see that as tell he’s not properly bankrolled.
Nevermind I see why he’s playing like he’s broke. He 1000% should have called. I can’t believe he folded. Wow.
Felt like a pair over a 7 under a Q the whole way.
im always surprised at the difference between what it takes to play hs live vs hs online
How so?
Curious if the hero checks the river what how much does the villain bets.
V is a baller
Great call, very interesting..... I feel like a check call even a jam is best play, 3 handed
Really interesting hand from a LAG player. Four handed really affects this.
The higher frequency the smaller the bet should be too though I think … you still have the range advantage and the nut advantage …
Go all in. Worse would call, a K will call in 4 bet pot.
It’s not a maniac move. He had you pegged on the exact type of hand you had, because your river bet size screams “I hit my ace and want to get some value but it’s not strong enough to call a shove.”
I find that the biggest exploit in live poker is a player’s bet sizing, especially if they’re playing “correctly”. They’d might as well be playing face up.
A-3 Suited for 40K? The snowball just kept getting bigger and colder even in a 4 handed game. It ended as a cooler.
Hero had such a solid plan to take it down on the turn and got gunshy and checked!?. Villain knew he had you right there. Tough spot.
Bet smaller on flop, for multiple reasons
River is a disaster, we are 4 handed
Enjoyable discussion as always Bart. One thing that I thought warranted a bit of discussion was villain's preflop 3bet size.
He went 1400 from 300, about 4.5x hero's open. Is this really a thing? I know the stacks are deep but this feels like a massive 3bet in position?
4 bet bigger pf, this size isn’t folding out any of his value range.
Edit: im on the turn since id never play it this way i have no idea what id do here. If you 4 bet bigger you could bet 1/3 flop then jam turn. As played id probably check give up. Idk
Edit 2: im on river and just seems like such a good check call spot.
This hand was played terriblyyy top to bottom.
If you are going to turn a3s into a 4 bet bluff, need to size bigger pre flop out of position.
Preflop mis play really screws up post flop too because you have to cbet this board, but villian just has so many hands that are 4 betting calling including like the very top of his range that also connect to this board and I just don’t see him folding.
Turn check fine, best play of this hand. finally giving up on the hand as you pick up no additional equity on the turn.
River: hero leads 4.5k but is planning to fold to a jam???? If you state this guy is a good player he is not going to call off with 8s and knows pretty much any thing you are trying to go for value against is just never good. Check protect your ace and maybe he takes a stab and call off or he might just check back a ton of his other hands he is hoping to win with a king maybe against like pocket against queens or pocket jacks. Pot has just gotten too big to take a 4.5k stab and fold to a jam, just check and call down a reasonable bet and you are going to win a lot when villian checks back too.
Tbh I'd rather check call river, it's way easier to play and you can force him into bluffing as he did. Especially at these stakes where they can turn great bluffs. Imo the blocking bets work way better at low stkes.
Check the river all day
Yeah. That way you have an easy decision against this type of player. Just check call the river. Even if it’s a jam.
No point in 4 betting if you make it so small unless your opponent is a station and you have a big edge in the game. Hero is probably not as aggressive as he thinks, checking the turn. Hero underestimates his opponent. When hero checks the turn, there is no point in betting the river. What is he getting value from? At some frequency villian is betting a pair of K when checked to on the turn. Since villian is "bluff heavy," check river and catch his bluffs and lose the minimum when he has a better A.
Any theories on what room this was at?
One of the TX clubs?
Kq spades is a good bluff
V likes to jam river as a bluff. V jams river as a bluff.
H folds?
Villain is a maniac for sure but I like the play. He knew the hero had a weak ace or hand and made a move. Sometimes you have to let your nuts hang.
Sometimes we can way overthink stuff. You checked turn then bet small when the ace came. You might as well have played your hand face up; I’m shoving with whatever I got here with all day.
Any conversation on the 4 handed game existing because of the whale and deviating PF to not get felted by a pro with a PF bluff hand when the whale’s money is still good?
I’m not even close to good enough to play these stakes, but he bets River targeting Kx suited hands? Is villain check turn here with Kx after you show weakness? I highly doubt it, imo
You hit your ace on the river then fold to a shove?
This caller clearly is not very good based on how he thinks pre flop. Some guy with a lot of money who is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.
River is a check call. If you’re not ready to call a jam. You losing your 4.5k to the wind now. I had him on TT-QQ but seems about the same. Playing with scared money is never helping. That’s why he’s the pro.
Sorry to say it, but villain played him like a fiddle. My suggestion would be to avoid that guy and play lower stakes.
Or just avoid him and target the whale currently at the table
Do you really have the bank role for this game? Seems like a lot of play in poker is effected my an under funded cash. What is the bank role for this game? 200k?
Minimum 20 buy ins.
I just can’t put villain on any value here… for that price I think it’s a call
Bart’s chair vibrating around the 14 min mark. Someone needs to investigate!
I have a philosophy - if they don't expect you to fold (getting 4-1) - then you should fold... wrong here!
That is a call all day against the player that I am thinking of at Parx
Why bet the flop at all ?
Very unfortunate trainwreck of a hand, hero sets up opponent perfectly on the river (for all the wrong reasons but whatever), has a decent read, then completely owns himself. I think they both get the river raise all in treshold wrong for villain. He can, and if he was a good aggro hs pro he definitely would jam AJ+, possibly even AT, hero is telegraphing his hand strength very hard with that block, I doubt he is ever stronger than AT/AJ there. Fwiw I think he should jam those himself, but probably wouldn't.
Could he be bluffing with something like KJ KT of spades? Having the blocker to AK.
That's a snap call
This is Parx the Tuesday game 😂 if anybody wants to know
Way beyond my game.
I dont think ive ever folded top pair in a 4 bet pot
I prefer to call the 3 bet, or 4-bet bluff to a much larger size. Small 4 bet OOP makes little sense. A3s shld play ok OOP so I prefer the call.
Flop: why lead?
As played, I think villain had showdown value on the flop and turn. So I want to check-call the river…
Why is this guy 4betting out of position vs a strong aggressive player if he’s playing scared the whole time? This guy should have just folded pre to the 3bet.
cmon man. you should obviously have some 4-bet bluffs here given this dynamic and suited wheel aces are the best hands to do it with.
@@moaf2padventures757 sure, but if your post flop play is mostly just button clicking then why bother with advanced plays like this? Clearly the caller was trying to implement a 4 bet bluff but had zero plan for the hand post flop and got himself in an awkward spot, hence the call in hand. He could have just saved himself 10k and a headache by folding pre.
Who is folding AKo getting 3 to 1???
who is folding AK pre at all lol
Well, I'm never playing at $20K stakes, so there's that. But just in vacuum, it seems with the down bet/check/near block size line you took, you primed yourself to appear weak. I think this is a call all day - this hand has more of a typical online feel, it's not that out there. And you described villain as a pro, so there's that.
Won’t say where hahah yeah, the cops are on this video looking for private game locations 😂😂😂😂
Snap call against the maniac.
I really would like to know if this is a winning player over time. If so. I will sell my house and go play these games.
This caller is a dope. From the start when he didn’t want to say where he played the hand it was apparent he’s a wannabe.
Need a larger coffee mug
How’s this fish playing high stakes
Money. No minor leagues in Poker, if you have the $$$, you can play.
Maybe hes like Robbi and was born with a “Golden Spoon” in his mouth lol
REKT...haha but this was a good call
Calls in a hand has no idea whats going on
I think Bart is holding J4 off in his hand while chatting with the caller because right about 11:52 his chair starts vibrating… tell me it doesn’t 😳
For some reason, every bet this caller made annoyed me, especially the river bet. He sounds knowledgeable but something in his reasoning is just off.
Yeah.. I thought he had 10s the whole time but when he jams the river.. IDK if I could call
Hero said the guy was a big bluffer, though... Sometimes people jam to get value, other times they jam because it is the only way to win and it seemed fairly obvious that was the case here... Villain should have bet huge on the turn or hero should have checked river if he was capable of folding a jam on the river...
Sounds like ike haxton
You’re are the one 4 bet before the flop, the flop is in your range, I like the bet, but the 7 turn changed nothing why checked ? Stick with your story, then once you hit the ace on the river you have show down value, check to him like you’re scared of the ace, he’ll most likely bluff all in and you snap called, won 20 g . But I think he’ll most likely folded on the turn.
Lots of poker words and terminology, but none of the strategy seemed coherent to me. Why are you thinking about a jam when you pair on the river? Talked about 100% c betting 4 bet pots and then on the flop said how this board means he can bet. Was worried about SPR and playing 2 streets on the flop instead of thinking how the different hands in his range play this board. You can’t make some massive deviation saying this is a call every time because the guy makes some maniac all in one time. Checking the turn and then block betting the river seems bad and completely capped your range. The “If I check he might bluff” and not naming the room this happened in leads me to believe this caller is full of it.
Explain why room was not identified.
private game not open to public nits
Dude need to go back to 1/2
i want to get better at poker but disagree with you that range advantage or blockers matter. just because you have a J or a 10 doesnt mean they cant have straights. its only 1 card out of 4.
also, you should NEVER be 3 or 4 betting with wheel aces. i also don't believe in GTO or solvers. overbet bluffing is also dumb. don't need to be balanced at mid/high or any stakes.
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 It's a strategy. Some people even win with it by exploiting overthinkers.
This clown uses all the poker terms but he doesn’t know how to play the game…
Viewing live stream HUSTLER??? Same Dealer that Dealt famous j4 hand STILL dealing????? Active investigations?????? Really don't understand. Unreal.