Do you like the river fold (not being results oriented)? The interesting part of ranging the opponent is that flopped trips are not typically shoving into a river flushing card.
I have no problem with folding to the flop x/r...no problem with river fold. (agree that if you're calling the flop you're calling the turn). Where I don't agree is I think at this level 6x, especially A6, does jam here for pot (and yes, he can have T6, Q6 and 65 too)...(tbh, almost any 6x - hero doesn't have very many 6's) hoping to be called by an over pair...or even AQ/KQss. (or simply overvaluing the hand) - sure, hero could have some flushes or even boats, but there are more combos of AA/KK/Qxss...the other factor I've seen at this level is the guy with 6x may be thinking (right, wrong or indifferent) "I'm calling any bet anyway, so may as well bet" - that is, I'm being called and beat by, or calling and losing to, the same set of hands. So my decision is do I check and hope for a set of bluff combos...or do I bet and hope for a call from another set of combos (that otherwise wouldn't bet)...the latter might have the higher degree of frequency.
No problem with the fold. It’s a tough spot. If I had had a sense that the player would do this with any pair I might have called. But as narrated by the caller and the BB pre flop defend range flushes and trips are entirely possible.
Folding the flop seems terrible. Obviously if you are ahead then you don't want to fold. If you are behind you are going to stack him if you turn a K (1/23; giving V a 6, 46 cards left) so you are getting implied odds of about 15 to 1. You need to be really really REALLY sure you are behind. I'm just calling down here; villain's ranges are never that precise. There's always at least a smattering of random BS in there; it's close enough that that swings it to a call.
I don't mind it at all. In all my times at the casino, it's RARE to see someone at low limits ($1/$2, $1/$3, or $2/$5) bluff with a check raise in these spots. It would have to be a VERY good read on the player to call that river with the front door flush coming in and the opponent is not afraid.
In this situation, hats off to the villain for making a solid bluff, given the way the action came down preflop and postflop it looked very convincing he had one pair beat (either with a 6, boat or flush). More often than not, if a player check raises and then continues betting more money on later streets, he usually has it. This happened to be one of the rare nots. Sometimes that’s just poker.
Yeah, I don't like villain's flop play but given flop that I really like the turn and river. As for hero, I probably check flop just because that multiway OoP I am checking almost everything, but again given that bet I'm playing the rest of the hand the same way and don't feel particularly bad that villain got me that time. If you never get bluffed you call way too often.
My first thoughts on the Flop would be: It is the BB who is last to act after everybody folds who C/Raises. And, Villain should likely do a whole lot of check/calling on this board texture ; - the raise thus feels slightly bluffy. As others already mentioned : Checking the Flop, OOP against the large field, avoids going broke with KK ; after our C-bet we are basically in calldown mode against the BB.
it's not about that H is holding high pair. It's about WHO is holding High pair. Calling flop raise, then calling turn and folding to a river bluff does not seem thinking poker.
Wow wow. What a cool spot as I am the villain in the hand. If you want to do a different little spinoff and do a call on “thoughts of the villain “ you can reply in the comments Bart and I’ll give you my info. If not, I’ll just re- reply w the analysis in the notes. And this was not the suited variety either. My hand was off suit 😂😂😂
I think villain's raise here does look like 6x, but I agree I would definitely check the flop, and then would only C-bet the turn if it checked through on the flop. Allows us to get some more info, as well as be confident that our kings are good if it indeed checks through on the flop. If villain then decides to donk or x/r us on the turn, then perhaps we can then put him on the backdoor spades a bit easier and have a better chance to make it to showdown with the pot being sufficiently controlled on earlier streets.
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This jam makes no real sense from any hand besides boats. I agree that our bet call flop and call turn looks a lot like an overpair, so we end up with plenty of the best boats here. He's bluffing so much. Also, you seriously overestimate how much people at 2/5 are considering multi-way responsibility. I have seen virtually no change in play even from "solid" regs when it's 3-5 ways and when it's heads up. They still float out of position with all sorts of nonsense, they still raise one pair hands.
It makes no sense to a thinking player. But if you can narrow a recreational player down to a one pair hand like in this hand, you can make plays like this and know they’re going to fold because of the board texture.
In my room, players will be lining up to call $20 preflop and have no awareness of people yet to act behind them [postflop] . If they have any piece of they flop they're calling again. Bottom pair, gutshot, it doesn't matter. It took me 6 months to adjust.
I thought the river was a snap call. I feel like villain is only repping 65 or 55 here. Unless he played a flush draw like this, but unless it's 78hh it seems suspicious.
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Great line taken by villian. He was probably pushing river no matter what. I'm guessing the villain didnt like the heart on river but ripped it anyway.
I’m confused at the explanation that the x/r which was $30 less than 3x was weighted to value. Just like his logic for betting big it seems like value hands would want to get money in now before scare cards come.
I'm always, always wary of calls/Holdings out BB/straddles? "They have gotten such good odds, with 2-3 calls in between..." V may complete with Any 2, especially "getting a discount"? V's bluff worked, but normally would trend towards "running into it"? IE "Queens full".. because we Will have all the Q full, not the BB (QQ is a bet 100 pre ,out of BB, especially with calls in the middle...) Is a 6s full of Qs possible from BB? Maybe.... I probably fold...either @ flop, or turn... Yeah, I'm a TAG/nit 😂🤣😂 This is 2-5, "no need to get wrecked @ low stales.." where anything can happen.. The Wrecked is metaphorical TBC.... There is a cool reminder, though? 1st to act has a (nominal) power unique to first? Tends not to "realize" well/ +EV @ higher stakes, though, FME.
I gave him something like a missed 78 combo draw and woulda snapped. Interesting that Bart spelled out how bad it smelled and yet still fig'd low stakes its a fold lol.
@@C-Gan1970 LOL. There's so many hands like the combo draw that I referred too that missed, the 78h being one of them, that I didn't bother listing every type like the pair combo. But if you think that makes no sense, no prob, you're allowed.
@@TheMightyDoon but the 78h didn't miss lol it made a flush. Are you meaning to just say a 'random straight draw", because when you say 'combo draw' on that flop, it implies that they have both the straight AND the front door flush draw which ultimately gets there. I think that's why your comment is confusing.
@@danradke98275 Hey sorry yeah that was a typo. I meant the other three 78s combos missed. My point is the same one that Bart made and villain proved - that the BB range was pretty wide to get agro with on a wet/paired board. 98s could've c/r'd hoping to spike a gutter 7. He could've had Ah7x hoping hero folds, and if not to spike an Ace or a heart or a 4 or 8 on the turn. I don't think I'm saying anything crazy here. Paired boards are hard to play for a reason, but with stack sizes and as played, I could've found a call but a fold ain't horrible.
I’m calling down here. I think on these sort of board textures where villains aren’t value shoving wide enough (ie: checking 6x), they’re going to end up overbluffing with there 87o type of junk. Call any reasonable bluffcatcher.
How can hero just fold the flop Bart? So many decent players are aware of the range/nut advantage and will be trying to structure a bluff against hero to get him off an overpair here. It is 2/5, not 1/2
This is crazy because I played a hand almost just like this last night where I defended the BB with 42cc getting an insane price and got a guy to fold what felt like a monster overpair. I’ll admit it was likely a bad bluff but it felt a amazing haha
with the K of hearts I'm calling here all day long. I would be MUCH more scared of the backdoor here than the frontdoor, say something like 87 of spades
Jesus Christ, the sizing on the turn is a huge tell that you are WAY ahead. Its so ridiculous. On the turn im raising BECAUSE I know I'm ahead and would just assume he had a flush draw or something like A5.
Do you like the river fold (not being results oriented)? The interesting part of ranging the opponent is that flopped trips are not typically shoving into a river flushing card.
I have no problem with folding to the flop x/r...no problem with river fold. (agree that if you're calling the flop you're calling the turn). Where I don't agree is I think at this level 6x, especially A6, does jam here for pot (and yes, he can have T6, Q6 and 65 too)...(tbh, almost any 6x - hero doesn't have very many 6's) hoping to be called by an over pair...or even AQ/KQss. (or simply overvaluing the hand) - sure, hero could have some flushes or even boats, but there are more combos of AA/KK/Qxss...the other factor I've seen at this level is the guy with 6x may be thinking (right, wrong or indifferent) "I'm calling any bet anyway, so may as well bet" - that is, I'm being called and beat by, or calling and losing to, the same set of hands. So my decision is do I check and hope for a set of bluff combos...or do I bet and hope for a call from another set of combos (that otherwise wouldn't bet)...the latter might have the higher degree of frequency.
Good river card for opponent to bluff. I’d probably have folded here
No problem with the fold. It’s a tough spot. If I had had a sense that the player would do this with any pair I might have called. But as narrated by the caller and the BB pre flop defend range flushes and trips are entirely possible.
Folding the flop seems terrible. Obviously if you are ahead then you don't want to fold. If you are behind you are going to stack him if you turn a K (1/23; giving V a 6, 46 cards left) so you are getting implied odds of about 15 to 1. You need to be really really REALLY sure you are behind.
I'm just calling down here; villain's ranges are never that precise. There's always at least a smattering of random BS in there; it's close enough that that swings it to a call.
I don't mind it at all. In all my times at the casino, it's RARE to see someone at low limits ($1/$2, $1/$3, or $2/$5) bluff with a check raise in these spots. It would have to be a VERY good read on the player to call that river with the front door flush coming in and the opponent is not afraid.
In this situation, hats off to the villain for making a solid bluff, given the way the action came down preflop and postflop it looked very convincing he had one pair beat (either with a 6, boat or flush). More often than not, if a player check raises and then continues betting more money on later streets, he usually has it. This happened to be one of the rare nots. Sometimes that’s just poker.
Yeah,
I don't like villain's flop play but given flop that I really like the turn and river.
As for hero, I probably check flop just because that multiway OoP I am checking almost everything, but again given that bet I'm playing the rest of the hand the same way and don't feel particularly bad that villain got me that time. If you never get bluffed you call way too often.
I love the way he says “Hearts!!”.
I want this guy to narrate every poker game.
My first thoughts on the Flop would be: It is the BB who is last to act after everybody folds who C/Raises. And, Villain should likely do a whole lot of check/calling on this board texture ; - the raise thus feels slightly bluffy. As others already mentioned : Checking the Flop, OOP against the large field, avoids going broke with KK ; after our C-bet we are basically in calldown mode against the BB.
Villain can still move allin on the river here with 6x if he has hero pegged on what he has, an overpair.
it's not about that H is holding high pair. It's about WHO is holding High pair. Calling flop raise, then calling turn and folding to a river bluff does not seem thinking poker.
Wow wow. What a cool spot as I am the villain in the hand. If you want to do a different little spinoff and do a call on “thoughts of the villain “ you can reply in the comments Bart and I’ll give you my info. If not, I’ll just re- reply w the analysis in the notes. And this was not the suited variety either. My hand was off suit 😂😂😂
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I think villain's raise here does look like 6x, but I agree I would definitely check the flop, and then would only C-bet the turn if it checked through on the flop. Allows us to get some more info, as well as be confident that our kings are good if it indeed checks through on the flop. If villain then decides to donk or x/r us on the turn, then perhaps we can then put him on the backdoor spades a bit easier and have a better chance to make it to showdown with the pot being sufficiently controlled on earlier streets.
Bart, I appreciated the “Leeds United” quip at the beginning! Are you a soccer (or football ⚽️) fan yourself? Great sport, not sure if you’re still up in the North East but the New England Revolution are a fun team in the MLS. As for me, I’m a Tottenham Hotspur fan. Come on you spurs! Thanks for another great vid Bart!
This jam makes no real sense from any hand besides boats. I agree that our bet call flop and call turn looks a lot like an overpair, so we end up with plenty of the best boats here. He's bluffing so much.
Also, you seriously overestimate how much people at 2/5 are considering multi-way responsibility. I have seen virtually no change in play even from "solid" regs when it's 3-5 ways and when it's heads up. They still float out of position with all sorts of nonsense, they still raise one pair hands.
It makes no sense to a thinking player. But if you can narrow a recreational player down to a one pair hand like in this hand, you can make plays like this and know they’re going to fold because of the board texture.
In my room, players will be lining up to call $20 preflop and have no awareness of people yet to act behind them [postflop] . If they have any piece of they flop they're calling again. Bottom pair, gutshot, it doesn't matter. It took me 6 months to adjust.
I thought the river was a snap call. I feel like villain is only repping 65 or 55 here. Unless he played a flush draw like this, but unless it's 78hh it seems suspicious.
@Alien-MACwhat about the flush draw though? Hero could have the FD and a flush in the end!?
@@UnknownWarriorZz what about the flush draw though? Hero could have the FD and a flush in the end!?
what's the point calling x/r flop?
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I could see a check raise with heart draw on the flop(if he sensed weakness) and then continuing on the turn
Great to hear that Yorkshire accent!
If you’re folding KK on the flop, the check raise prints.
it is difficult to fold KK on the flop ... even on turn it depens on bet sizing imo
Most people are completely oblivious about how strong a hand looks when they bet into 4 people.
A very good ear for a yank. Most can't name one city in the UK that isn't London.
Great line taken by villian. He was probably pushing river no matter what. I'm guessing the villain didnt like the heart on river but ripped it anyway.
I put him on KK or AA specifically
I’m confused at the explanation that the x/r which was $30 less than 3x was weighted to value. Just like his logic for betting big it seems like value hands would want to get money in now before scare cards come.
Jam should be on turn because villain bets the same amount on turn as flop. Smelt like draw
I'm always, always wary of calls/Holdings out BB/straddles? "They have gotten such good odds, with 2-3 calls in between..." V may complete with Any 2, especially "getting a discount"?
V's bluff worked, but normally would trend towards "running into it"? IE "Queens full".. because we Will have all the Q full, not the BB (QQ is a bet 100 pre ,out of BB, especially with calls in the middle...)
Is a 6s full of Qs possible from BB? Maybe....
I probably fold...either @ flop, or turn...
Yeah, I'm a TAG/nit 😂🤣😂
This is 2-5, "no need to get wrecked @ low stales.." where anything can happen..
The Wrecked is metaphorical TBC....
There is a cool reminder, though? 1st to act has a (nominal) power unique to first? Tends not to "realize" well/ +EV @ higher stakes, though, FME.
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“What do you mean, a royal flush ?”
“A little flush”
Those accents lol😅
We're good here like 5% of the time maybe? So this was one of those times. Unless villain is actually a maniac.
Prob is you dont have enough info about villain to know whether he is just winging it.
I gave him something like a missed 78 combo draw and woulda snapped. Interesting that Bart spelled out how bad it smelled and yet still fig'd low stakes its a fold lol.
You make no sense, you gave him a combo draw... and the 78h got there.
@@C-Gan1970 LOL. There's so many hands like the combo draw that I referred too that missed, the 78h being one of them, that I didn't bother listing every type like the pair combo. But if you think that makes no sense, no prob, you're allowed.
@@TheMightyDoon but the 78h didn't miss lol it made a flush. Are you meaning to just say a 'random straight draw", because when you say 'combo draw' on that flop, it implies that they have both the straight AND the front door flush draw which ultimately gets there. I think that's why your comment is confusing.
@@danradke98275 Hey sorry yeah that was a typo. I meant the other three 78s combos missed. My point is the same one that Bart made and villain proved - that the BB range was pretty wide to get agro with on a wet/paired board. 98s could've c/r'd hoping to spike a gutter 7. He could've had Ah7x hoping hero folds, and if not to spike an Ace or a heart or a 4 or 8 on the turn. I don't think I'm saying anything crazy here. Paired boards are hard to play for a reason, but with stack sizes and as played, I could've found a call but a fold ain't horrible.
@@TheMightyDoon yeah no everything you're saying is good. It was just the misuse of the term 'combo draw' at the start. I gotchya 👍🏻
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I’m calling down here. I think on these sort of board textures where villains aren’t value shoving wide enough (ie: checking 6x), they’re going to end up overbluffing with there 87o type of junk. Call any reasonable bluffcatcher.
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How can hero just fold the flop Bart? So many decent players are aware of the range/nut advantage and will be trying to structure a bluff against hero to get him off an overpair here. It is 2/5, not 1/2
CHECK THE FLOP HERO
Dude is showing immense strength off the rip, then jams all in when the flush comes in? Screams spaz bluff. I call
This is crazy because I played a hand almost just like this last night where I defended the BB with 42cc getting an insane price and got a guy to fold what felt like a monster overpair. I’ll admit it was likely a bad bluff but it felt a amazing haha
Think his hand played face up as an overpair and guy just went for bluff.
“Northern England or Scottish accent” is Bart’s accent read.
Without seeing the reveal I’ll guess Lancashire.
Wrong side of the Pennines.
Call
If bb checked river I'm jamming 100 percent !! Foe 605 I prob close my eyes and call !!!
Very strange line.
with the K of hearts I'm calling here all day long. I would be MUCH more scared of the backdoor here than the frontdoor, say something like 87 of spades
V played his hand well. So, he did not need to call Bart in.
Hero has Kh. This is a river call getting 3:1
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There’s no way I’m betting this flop
Note: BB is a mega-fish! End of story.
Wow what a suck bluff
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Jesus Christ, the sizing on the turn is a huge tell that you are WAY ahead. Its so ridiculous. On the turn im raising BECAUSE I know I'm ahead and would just assume he had a flush draw or something like A5.
Agreed, when the 2nd flush draw comes in and you get a small bet, I might just shove.
But He's got nothing to do with it. I don't think he ever even played poker
@@Catadafish dont even know what the hell u mean
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