As my grandmother was fond of saying, "Cheap things are seldom good, and good things are seldom cheap." ;-) Borla is one of the very few that make an 8-stack for the Cleveland motors.
What I love most is no more rev limiter when using a automatic transmission. I would like to see MPG comparisons and the like if any. Great Video! I am also really interested in utilizing an V8, 32 valve motor with this type of setup. Great work!
I think I may do one of the speedmasters on a 6.1 hemi if the prices keep dropping. Down to $1700, sure it'll keep going/be discontinued. One question- why not use drive by wire at this point? Once going EFI, and now 8 stack, custom ecm, a used BMW actuator would run a few hundred bucks if that, just need to setup a pedal. I have a dream plan to build a shaker Air box, and repurpose the electronic TB which will take some fab. May need to fab a cam that lowers the butterfly tension progressively above idle to save the TB, otherwise the smart choice is to use a BMW ITB actuator (also has TPS built in like the OEM TB). Just have to determine pull length for the cable and adjust the shaft pulley accordingly, slight changes up top can be solved in ECU programming- but really doubt that will be hard, it'll be idle/part throttle. Nice thing with e throttle is it's all adjustable without touching the linkage once it's set up and synced. Car is on the rough end for an SRT, has a lot of miles, all just adds to what I want- a not perfect wicked fun daily driveable retro muscle car. A shaker scoop poking through the hold and providing ITB soundtrack.... Good Lord I'll be lucky to stay out of jail.
The Borla kit is the later generation of TWM IDA throttles with the screw in horns. The other kit had the earlier generation 50 IDA's produced by TWM. That must have been a very early production batch. The giveway is the center barrel in the Oldham coupler. The first production batch were only anodized where as all follow on batches with Teflon hard anodized. That change removed the play between the two sides. The poor quality manifold is not something TWM/Borla would have used.
I might consider the cheaper option... if I knew what it was. How can I do more research and make an educated decision without knowing the name of the other system?
Why struggle trying to make an inferior product? Borla is going to work for you and has a nice Crome finish. Crome might not get you home but it will get you laid.
Looks like you have to remove the fuel rails on the speedmaster to remove plugs too. I thought about the speedmaster. But not so much now. I want to install the side draft style on a 351w motor. How have those been on the dyno for you guys?
As my grandmother was fond of saying, "Cheap things are seldom good, and good things are seldom cheap." ;-) Borla is one of the very few that make an 8-stack for the Cleveland motors.
What I love most is no more rev limiter when using a automatic transmission. I would like to see MPG comparisons and the like if any. Great Video! I am also really interested in utilizing an V8, 32 valve motor with this type of setup. Great work!
Thank you!
I think I may do one of the speedmasters on a 6.1 hemi if the prices keep dropping. Down to $1700, sure it'll keep going/be discontinued.
One question- why not use drive by wire at this point? Once going EFI, and now 8 stack, custom ecm, a used BMW actuator would run a few hundred bucks if that, just need to setup a pedal.
I have a dream plan to build a shaker Air box, and repurpose the electronic TB which will take some fab. May need to fab a cam that lowers the butterfly tension progressively above idle to save the TB, otherwise the smart choice is to use a BMW ITB actuator (also has TPS built in like the OEM TB). Just have to determine pull length for the cable and adjust the shaft pulley accordingly, slight changes up top can be solved in ECU programming- but really doubt that will be hard, it'll be idle/part throttle. Nice thing with e throttle is it's all adjustable without touching the linkage once it's set up and synced.
Car is on the rough end for an SRT, has a lot of miles, all just adds to what I want- a not perfect wicked fun daily driveable retro muscle car. A shaker scoop poking through the hold and providing ITB soundtrack.... Good Lord I'll be lucky to stay out of jail.
Great detailed comparison video. Much appreciated.
How do you filter the air on either system…?
I have a question I have a 429 board out to a 460 does Borla make stacks for such application
Check out the website here www.borlainduction.com/products/v8-kits.aspx
looking at the Borla for a 351 stroked to 396, is Borla the way to go or another one you can recommend?
Borla 100%
The Borla kit is the later generation of TWM IDA throttles with the screw in horns. The other kit had the earlier generation 50 IDA's produced by TWM. That must have been a very early production batch. The giveway is the center barrel in the Oldham coupler. The first production batch were only anodized where as all follow on batches with Teflon hard anodized. That change removed the play between the two sides. The poor quality manifold is not something TWM/Borla would have used.
but do they make the same power?
Can I ask what injectors and IAC were used on the cheaper version?
What’s the cfm for these borla 8 stacks
Things of that nature.
I might consider the cheaper option... if I knew what it was. How can I do more research and make an educated decision without knowing the name of the other system?
Speedmaster. Sorry we didn't want to completely call them out in our video.
@@prestigemotorsports understandable. I think I've figured it out. Definitely a big price difference.
Any input on the J L fabrication setup?
What's that saying? "You might not get what you paid for but you certainly will pay for what you get"
Haha yesir
hp difference?
Why are these systems bot filtered?
In short, you get what you pay for... and by the time you tune everything to function correctly, you really haven't saved much (if anything).
Why struggle trying to make an inferior product? Borla is going to work for you and has a nice Crome finish. Crome might not get you home but it will get you laid.
hahaha no doubt
Speed master...... You'll be sorry.
Have a talk with Ed Taylor at Borla he will set you straight.
You know it!
Looks like you have to remove the fuel rails on the speedmaster to remove plugs too.
I thought about the speedmaster.
But not so much now.
I want to install the side draft style on a 351w motor.
How have those been on the dyno for you guys?