Throne and Liberty: Success or Failure?
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
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Throne and Liberty is arguably the biggest upcoming MMORPG release of the year and will be available to play on Steam, Xbox and PlayStation on September 17th 2024.
If you haven’t heard of Throne & Liberty before this is a free to play fantasy MMORPG developed by NCSoft with its western publisher being Amazon Games Studio
This is a game that’s attempting to be the modern spiritual successor to Lineage 2, which means yes, a heavy emphasis on large scale PvP.
Throne & Liberty is set in a vast fully open world that emphasizes exploration through various ways of traversing the terrain via shapeshifting. The combat is tab target and the battlefields are dynamic, influenced by real-time changes in weather, time of day, and player interactions.
The game offers a decent variety of both PvE and PvP content. On the PvE side of things you’ve got challenging Dungeons, Open World Bosses, Dynamic Events, and Instanced solo Boss Challenges as well as questing, professions, achievements hunting and all the usual jazz you’d expect from an MMO.
As for PVP content the game has Open World PvP, 1v1 Duels, Open World PVP Limited Events, Guild VS Guild battles and the ultimate end game in the form of Castle Sieges which offer large-scale warfare where groups fight to control a massive fortress.
I had the chance to check out Throne and Liberty for its Korean release and I very quickly had strong opinions about the game. My first impressions vid is definitely worth a watch if you haven’t seen it already.
But In this video we’ll take a deep dive into the game and ultimately try to answer the question “Will Throne & Liberty be a success or failure?”
What do you think about Throne and Liberty? will you be playing this new upcoming MMORPG on the release date of September 17th? what do you think TL needs to do to improve the gameplay? let me know in the comments below!
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Throne And Liberty MMORPG Steam Description
Welcome to THRONE AND LIBERTY, a free-to-play MMORPG that takes place in the vast open world of Solisium. You can scale expansive mountain ranges for new vantage points, scan open skies, traverse sprawling plains, explore a land full of depth and opportunity. Adapt your fight to survive and thrive through strategic decisions in PvP, PvE or both as you encounter evolving battlefields impacted by weather, time of day, and other players. There is no single path to victory as you seek to defeat Kazar and claim the throne while keeping rival guilds at bay.
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Throne and Liberty: Success or Failure?
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If the actual gameplay was as cool as the marketing videos, this would be the game everyone is playing.
As is? Not even thinking about it. I actually forgot about it until I randomly saw your video.
@@henrythegreatamerican8136 lol the marketing videos are literally us playing the game. play the game first before looking like clowns online.
You should revisit Wayfinder. It's an ARPG now in early access and no longer an MMO. Be good to get an updated perspective.
lol lazypeon you have lost many peoples respect because of this video u failed to mention alot of improvements and only focused on the bad and old gameplay and old footage , your opinion was so biased to be fair , you also failed to mention that they will make changes to monetization for the west , well done ....
Big Fan Lazy Peon, but you should read the comment section on this video, you are gettting some critisism here that seems valid.
"After spending a couple of hours watching content creators, here's what I learned"
WHAT?
Time to unsubscribe, I guess. If they didn't pay for the review, why not review it without playing it.
Proceeds to compare the combat with WoW and say it's worse =))).
Then, he rambles for 5 minutes about this being designed for a shared mobile audience when the developers clearly said a mobile version would be a different game...
What a joke this guy is nowadays...
@@cosmin5078 he has played the game, he has two review videos of it. this video is not a game review...
Only games he gives good reviews to these days are the ones that sponsor him
@@nomanaplshelp If you're going to lie, at least make it believable.
@@cosmin5078 are you being payed by NCsoft to say this? lol, nowhere does it say that this is a review.
To be fair... your sponsor "ESO" has a monthly fee that has an XP boost + QoL aspects not available to non-Plus members. Just pointing it out since you mentioned it as a seemingly negative part of TL.
Get off your high horse every single game has that besides maybe old school runescape?
Level boosts, cash shop items, extra benefits to subs etc. Every single MMO has it
@@zonedout3390 lol high horse? I was just making a comment. Calm down buddy.
Yeah, and ESO is shit. Just like TnL.
@@MyTeaIsMighty the fact that he didn't mention how the combat improved in the last year proves to me how biased this person is , the combat now is much better and dynamic and that's not me saying it , many other content creators not biased like this guy , also they will keep improving it alot , look I tried TL KR honestly everything about this game makes it a great MMO , the zerg pvp , the guilds , the dungeons , the world , the only turn off will be the auction house which is the most p2w aspect , but they already said they will monetize it for the west better , for example the most important thing thay ppl used to pay money for are " traits " , that will be given for free , and by only that change it will be alot better , and honestly if we are gonna cry about p2w in a great game like this , literally every MMO now has p2w elements in it so I wouldn't ignore all the amazing things in the game just because of a p2w aspect which is already being nerfed in every update
@@blacklord3212 Are you a bot? There is nothing about this game that makes it deserve this kind of arse licking. It's mediocre P2W slop. If you enjoy it, whatever, but that doesn't change what it is.
for one time i have to say that informations on the video are old, the game is very playable
he's been making shxt video recently specially getting sponsored by tarisland just to say nothing bad abt it
this dudes rep went out the window when he took the paid review for tarisland
why is it failing in korea then?
@@Scema12Because Korean whales don't have huge advantage even they spent so much money into the game.. that's why...
@@chaoticneutral783 hello didnt say the game was good ♥ just saying he's been inbiased alot recently
Honestly speaking, as someone who has been playing TL since KR beta days until today, a lot of this is based on outdated information as the game has been making TREMENDOUS changes across the board including with the systems and major changes are coming this month too for things like skills, traits, etc...
None of the changes have saved the game. It is still losing players and the patches have not helped.
The recent 3v3 arenas have been a disaster for the game and show just how bad it is.
@@paintspot1509 KR servers are beyond fixing, even though the fixes are great, the server simply reached a point of no return sadly.
As for arena, that's one thing I can agree on with you, it's simply put, terrible. It can always be fixed as it's still pre-season
@@paintspot1509 This basement dweller doesnt understand that KR is 1 country with a different player profile and different market, compared to the global market and completely different player profile. How do you not understand that all the changes in last few months have been directly implemented for the global release and global market. There is no saving the game in KR, its dead and all efforts have been directed into changing it and shaping it for global market.
@@Shikku1996 Paintspot has been dooming the game for months now. He spends his time on reddit shit talking the game idk why he spends so much time there. No point arguing with these people. See you on stream man :)
@@funkix60 hahaha valid point, see you sir ❤️
I think of LazyPeon as a pretty reliable source and good game reviewer but tbf this video really lacked research imo because lot of aspects of the game already changed a long time ago which was not even mentioned. This felt like a month after release video
Trash game is trash game.
@@zonedout3390 that wasn't the point of the comment but no worries
Only games he gives good reviews to these days are the ones that sponsor him
@@nomanaplshelp not even want to go there, not bashing on him just was a bit surprised ;)
@@zonedout3390 lol u talking shit without even knowing anything , the combat ? it is more dynamic now , the world ? amazing , the pvp ? hundreds of players in the same place amazing with no lag at all , dungeons ? amazing , the only bad thing is the monetization and they already said the monetization for the west will not be like korea
I think you are just purely trolling at this point
I'm sorry bro I have supported you for a long time but just recently it feels like your heart isn't in it. The Tarisland review was absolutely criminal, you praised an actual trash mobile MMO and took the bag quite clearly. Then your video of TL is old gameplay footage, packed with so much misinformation and almost goes out of its way to ignore all the stuff it excels at, like the solo tower, open world dungeons, optimisation, the combat animations, etc. You didn't even mention the instantaneous loading when teleporting that the old Peon would have been all over.
This video was lazy mate, can we have the old Peon back that gave a fuck?
Just unsub. Turning point for this channel, he’s sold beyond belief at this point
He did the same for lost ark. However, he is right on this one, TL is a disaster.
lol , barely anything changed , just cuz you're butthurt over this cashgrab p2w korean game its not gonna mean its gonna change anything
Womp womp bro is getting the bag and has a life,grow up
@@Alteroxx954 making excuses for shitty behavior doesnt make you an adult, you grow up
open beta july 18, going to give it a shot
Planned Release Date: 17 Sep, 2024 on steam
Go man its free and check video comments ppl are shitting out this video since its have 0 connection to TnL what is now. This video based on 7 month ago situation
Exactly don't listen to the MMO Hate train. They do this with every game now. Complete Gatekeep...once a week each other one of them release a P2W complaint that majority dont care about. Crying about Guild wars...who cares about guild wras anymore.
@shira2151 HAHAHAHA yeah ay who tf plays gw anymore
@@SirDraftbeer this is the best mmorpg of this decade I promise you. All these ppl shitting on the game couldn’t find 50$ to afford a good Korean account and vpn, so all they do is troll online
Tarisland: press 11111 = great
TL: more complex and fun combat = sucks
you are so sold
ya he lost so many peoples respect in this video honestly he was so biased , he failed to mention the most good things in the game and only mention the bad
@@blacklord3212 there are no good things
@@paintspot1509 you are like a stone in the sea lol , , 90% ppl in comments saying this video is so biased and there are many good things but ignored , while you are saying there is not , so I think you just enjoy being a little tiny stone
@@paintspot1509 its so funny to see you go out of your way to shit on the game on every single comment that says anything good about it. 😂
@@hurtstosmile that's why I quit that trash game tarisfvck 🤣🤣🤣
TheLazyPeon getting real lazy with his uploads lately
Only games he gives good reviews to these days are the ones that sponsor him
@@nomanaplshelp so true
And by lately you mean the past few years.
It's been like this for 2 years. Or longer. Since he lived in Thailand.nut u dik riders NEVER OPEN YOUR EYES
@ktpp123 are u just a parrot repeating anything ? wtf does this game have anything to do with mobile lmao , jeez dude ...
The funny thing is that you said good things about Tarisland, but in my point of view this game is much better in all aspects.
true
you realize this game is way more p2w than tarisland right? and failing in its home country?
+1
@@BrutalFelix82Stop speaking on a topic you know nothing about
He's not wrong though.. @oAazo
high quality memes in here
edit: the video feels off, many things said are kinda outdated
Except it's not wtf are you on? The man played the official release on his side of the world. I think he would know 😂 like bro what are you on copium?
@@zonedout3390 exactly my point =) release was 8 months ago in korea, the game has changed drastically
@@roxlul you can't drastically change a game in only 8 months, pass over the copium pipe
@@palamedes4740you’re a moron if you think that’s true. They added so much in less than 8 months from New Worlds Beta to the release
@@palamedes4740 NC Soft is a huge company and have thousands of devs, they did make a drastic change to the game in 8 months. i suggest that you try the open beta this month and don't listen to haters.
"ITS GONNA FAIL!" - Sponsored by ESO
Haha
Did ESO make it fail in Korea?
@@paintspot1509 lol go back to school and learn some language
ESO isn’t a failure though…
TL DoA
The actual gameplay is pretty fun and has a pretty immersive world with a decent story. My gf and I both enjoyed exploring a lot. The optimization as well is something EVERYONE should talk about. This game runs very well and has that PS5 Spiderman-like fast travel time.
it runs well cuz its user authoritative not server one or in a more understandable words "like New World" and it had a lot of bots and cheats already and thats in korea where u need an id and a phone number to make an account , when it comes to the west its gonna be a cheat fest lol
@@coadamolx0100 I really wish people would stop talking utter nonsense. Most MMO's such as WoW and FFXIV trust the client to an extent and then authorise this behaviour with the server and TL is no different.
If you didn't do this the game would feel absolutely awful to play if you needed the server to authenticate every action.
@Infernius it is a shame the TL is a script hack mess. It killed the game in Korea.
@@coadamolx0100 u mena like cod ? the toip selling game on planet earth yes? that ppl buy it every year ? now u understand how stupid is what ur saying lol
@@Infernius While you're not wrong, you're not going deep enough into admitting that some games let more things happen client side then others, which allows for more exploits, hacks, cheat, etc. TL allowed more then most, but like any other AAA mmo and big market dev team, they don't care enough about the bots and will be flooded just as much as wow.
2:32 - Skeletons died from breathing gas poison
Corrosive Gas 🤓
lets add lvl's to that phrase, #1 Skeletons die, something is not right just by that. Also in videogames they "die" with frost bolts... air magic, some leafs from a druid spell or take damage from a shout, yes a shout, how can they even hear a shout.. and yet im doing a response to you, for a comment about a Fantasy videogame. why ?? idk it must be some sort of magic you have casted to my eyes. hehe just having fun, good point tho
eso has never made sense. The food item that turns you into a vampire (vampire = no health recovery) gives health recovery
If an undead becomes dead'er, does it become stronger or turn undead?
@@furglii good point, it should be stronger
For anyone who is actually interested in learning more about the game, visit the throne and liberty subreddit where people have actually played the game and know what they're talking about.
ya they shouldn't listen to someone who is actually just shitting on the game because they didn't sponsor him
I feel like this was written before the last beta they did showing off all the new changes? It was a significantly better game than previous iterations, i had more fun than i thought i was going too, and the combat did not feel how Peon is describing it to be
I unsubscribed. He's giving false information and old footage . This game is one of the best mmorpg I've played for a while now.
Exactly, just what I was thinking. Like, I'm all for honest videos/reviews/thoughts about the game, but this wasn't it. The only thing I hear is ranting and ranting about the game. I can name plenty of positive things compare to other MMORPG's, but I don't see any in this video. I don't even know what the purpose is of this video. The "boring" combat is definitely not what I hear from other streamers/RUclipsrs. FFXIV has different combat than BDO, LA, or WoW, and people still enjoy that game. Even with the original review, he was around level 20 in his videos, that's not even scratching the surface of what the game is about. Imagine leveling in World of Warcraft Classic till level 20 and saying: The combat in World of Warcraft sucks and is average as best.
- PvP has been heavily changed already, and the developers are changing and improving it week by week. Instead of a lot of guilds competing, there are now a lot of things that are different. Like 1 v 1 guild fights, making sure as a invidivual that you can join battles as well, regardless of the guild you are in.
- There is a lot of PvE content, and that's a huge part of the earlier gameplay.
- That brings me to the next point, P2W. It is strange that you liked Black Desert so much, but it is just as much as P2W. You buy a skin, sell it on the Marketplace, and buy gear with the money you make. Every game would be better without it, but bringing it up every video, without even the correct facts, is just frustrating. The end-game gear that you can get, you cannot buy or upgrade it with Lucents, you have to do dungeons in order to obtain these items. And the developers are trying to change this even more, so that you cannot just buy your way to max. gear level.
Even the content that is going to be released seems to be pretty cool. Housing system, life skilling (fishing, cooking, and more), big update in August for Korea (loads of new dungeons, instances, world bosses, raids, challenge modes of dungeons with 30 difficulties, better progression and gear systems, and many other things). A lot of quality of life updates in between releases, and much much more.
The thing that I can agree on are bots, hopefully we will have it better in the West. But the thing that you said about empty servers, is half true as well, I watched many many streamers/RUclipsrs, their servers are packed with people. And it's not so strange that almost nobody is streaming the game, most of the people that streamed the game on Twitch were people that used VPNs (people in the West). From what I've heard is that in Korea people are even switching from Black Desert to this game (Korean streamer was telling this, cannot confirm this from other sources since I don't know them).
But still, always like your videos, but this is like a kick in the face with incorrect information. I would be totally fine with you reviewing (with honest critique) the game once it has been released in the West.
To be fair it's a closed beta test he most likely did not play
Friendly reminder that NC soft made blade and soul and its superb tab target combat system. This is a regression for a 2024 game. No amount of improvement can make a literal shit anything else.
he based his combat experience on prolly a 300 ms ping with desync due to KR Server. Ofc it feels bad... like WTF
An mmorpg on console that doesn't crash with thousands of players in one spot? Somehow this is always overlooked by pc content creators that make their living off of ripping everything apart before console players can even try it.
conscrubs don't matter
@@TheNightman. Really that's crazy because ff14 just broke a record and has had the highest number of concurrent players with the recent expansion since 11 years ago because of the addition of Xbox this year .....sooo???
That's what I'm saying!! The stability blew me away considering the graphics not to mention the fact it's in BETA. I feel like that's not being talked about enough.
You didnt even got to the endgame when you played, all your clips are from streamers that said that enjoyed the game, none from yourself. I just went to the game's subreddit and people cant wait for the release.
This review is fishy, especially after what you said about tarisland.
Lol that subreddit is like 50 people.
That's called a echo chamber not reality. Learn the difference it will save you many heartaches an heartbreaks in the future. Be smarter then the average bear
Peon is right.
I played the game and felt the same way.
People made comments exactly like yours prior to New World release whenever someone tried to warn that the launch would not be what people expected, look what happened. TL already failed in Korea.
"You haven't played enough" is always the argument of the deluded
@@vbm4780 played it when ? 8 months ago ? the combat sucked then , the combat now is so dynamic and smooth and they actually said they will even improve it more and more , " bugs and bad early game " ???? dude this is one of the most if not the most polished and optimized MMO ever made , I never seen MMO that could put 100 player in the same spot with no lag or drop fps lol the world feels so alive , there is so much changed in these 8 months but sadly he is too lazy to do his research because they don't sponsor him
Not on mobile and the game has changed vastly since peon was on kr in 1hp
Not on mobile, but uses mobile files.
The game is still terrible
i had a blast in the recent closed beta hoping it continues being fun to play
I'm sorry to hear that you think this game is fun.
@@zonedout3390 they havent hit the paywall yet
@@palamedes4740 there is no pay wall in this game. go grind it in bdo or la.
lol wait till late gameplay , at start the game is fun and great , until u hit the paywall xD
@@zonedout3390Going through every single comment just to spread your negative dribble isn't the flex you think it is. Pretty embarrassing to watch 🤡
it is ncsoft but game improved so much since release and now its actual fun content
I have to say I am a bit disappointed with this review. You did zero research or pointing things out that are completely old systems that got reworked already, sooo 90% of the things you said so far are wrong. We used to come here for the good reviews, but it seems like you're just doing videos for the sponsors at this point. So, I have to say I am a bit disappointed with this. Maybe it's just one bad video, most of your videos are great. So, I'll assume it was a rushed video and not a factual one.
This was enough for me to unsubscribe. Better reviewers out there. And I’m not a fan of his lackadaisical narration either.
Agreed.
agreed, been on the fence about unsubbing for a while now but this one has made me decide to do it, he's beyond saving at this point
Played KR and CBT, i liked it even though it started off rough but is improving alot each update with the devs listening and changing/fixing things monthly, ofc its not gonna be massive but i do think the game will do just fine, with how the devs have been listening and pumping out changes constantly its only upward from here
This video comes across as you had it in the bucket for the last 6 months. They've done a lot to the game including an upcoming expansion, arenas, more stuff to discourage botting and gold selling, reducing the p2w elements, and even discussing a monthly sub model instead of p2w.
" discussing " , something that in my 20 years of gaming heard every company do but never take action to do it , I would agree with sub 10-15 usd every month but no p2w shit , also they should learn from riot games a company that makes billions over bilions just from cosmetics , but to be fair everything about T&L feels amazing , it can be the best MMO ever created with how polished and smooth the game is , but monetization bro kills any game , I hope they change that for the west
Peon, I expect a “Journey to level cap” series on Throne like in the old days. This game deserves it.
sadly nowadays , a game sponsors him = great game , no sponsor = let's shit on the game without even actually playing it
Have you played the most recent versions of the game? Imo it's much better than you described in this vid. The combat and many other things feel very polished.
It is still garbage.
@@paintspot1509 people love polishing turds 🎉
@@paintspot1509try getting a mind of your own
@@paintspot1509 get a job or hobby. basement dweller replying to every positive comment.
Shilling hard
I played this at the Korean launch. Wanted to get a feel for the game and will be playing at launch for global release. Really enjoyed the sound fx, graphics and large open world.
Hmm base on most comments here.. it seems Peon's take was outdated?
Yes. Basically it sounds like he's using information he obtained during the last beta event, without having played it, or doing any digging into the substantial ways that the game has changed and been updated based on the feedback from those beta events. He's 2-6 months out of date on most topics, and more then a year on others.
It was a super lazy video. He didn't take the time to download and play the Korean client which is miles ahead of even the last CBT build here.
Didn't mentioned a lot of upcoming content for the game, like life skills, an entire new continent, arenas (which are now out)
It was just him chucking together old footage and recycling other old opinions for easy views but I think he misread the room here. People are actually coming round to TL because the devs are working their arses off making it a great game.
@@XTGAMEZ009 yup many of peons takes was changed even before release
Bruh I thought my dog was puking with that sound effect for the companies popping up on screen in the beginning of the video. Lol
Got my earbuds on outside so the background audio muffled it enough for my heart to drop and immediately run to my dog. Haha
Bugs and bad early game? You have sure you played TL? The games is one of the must polish and optimized mmorpg i ever saw
I consider @TheLazyPeon troll from now on. He doesn't want doom and gloom :D. If he consider himself being honest and follow the games progression that he actually comment about and TL at that case he would give a lot more information about good and the bad and the progress of the game overall on both directions. I consider that video "doom and gloom' and even straight up "paid" maybe not only by promotion :D
You can't polish a turd
@@GeorgiIorgov TL is dead.
@@paintspot1509 isnt even released yet, except for korea
@@paintspot1509 Are you mad bro? Or are you so desperate that you want to be heard, so you place negative comments under everyone else's comment? Imagine spending so much time trying to prove something, and bashing the game. If it's not for you, just go play something else. And let other people enjoy their game.
Mate, your review is so unrelated to reality that it is embarrassing. It's like you have not played the game at all and based a "review" on 7 month old information. Inaccurate, disappointing review.
Most of this is still valid. The fundamental problems with the game are still there, hence why arena was a disaster.
game will be a hit , mark my words people !
GOTY
@@lgtzin No shot
Peon's credibility went down a lot since the Tarisland video :(
tarisland sponsored him , so he will admire it and go to the heaven with the game in his video , but throne and liberty didn't sponsor him so ya let's shit on the game and get 8 months old footage , 8 months old combat
To is actually a good game but kids like you lack any source of maturity if you don't like it cool but just cause your game came out bad don't be mad
Yet this video has so many likes compared to dislikes (3.1k vs 480)
Tarisland is actually a fun game lol, im enjoying.
@@mrmack3176 actually a kid like u don't even know how to give proper judgment ,tarisland is only good interms of raids and challenge dungeons , the game has shitty ranked system , bad bgs , so bad pvp overall , has auto quest system which is one of the major reason ppl hated on throne and liberty , so give the game proper judgment , don't go to the moon with the game
Does anyone know why this game is not yet on the ps store if closed beta is so soon? :/
Used to watch this guy for his content a while ago, considering not now.
I just played the open beta on series s the other day and had a lot of fun, baring in mind i have played plenty of mmos across pc an xbox.
A lot of the things he pointed out are either completely outdated or not even true.
This game has some of the easiest and quickest progression of any of the mmos i have played.... i mean for gods sake if we want to talk about a game being grindy lets take a look at black desert...... hmmm hundreds of hours to grind a set that you ultimately lose if you get a bad roll on the rng upgrading system.... yeah real smooth.
The dynamic event cycle made the game feel fresh throughout the day.
Day/ night cycle i found was a hilarious mechanic, i was exploring one of the open dungeons, cant remember the name, close to night time....... i didnt realise at the time that the doors close at night and it turns from a pve area into a pvp area..... i very quicky found out when a guy misplaced his greatsword on my skull....😂
Seriously though, the world is beautiful, the gameplay loop os nowhere near as grindy as described, combat definitely could be better but its not by any means bad as the multiclass system offers a lot of variety.
Framerate in the beta was smooth 95% of the time with stutters here and there due to day/night cycle or event starts etc.
The guild system was very smooth, just need some more description in the settings.
Progression in the guild was fast, within 2 days my guild got to level 4 and ended up in the top 40 on that server with only less than 20 players, unlike in other mmos where it can take weeks/ months to rank up 1 level.
The map was pretty huge, plenty of diverse regions.
Movement felt good, plenty of verticality.
Dont have to deal with any of this rubbish like in ESO where you either pay to improve your mount or you literally have to play for months just to level your mount up 1 point wvery what? 6-8 hours?
I genuinely dont see what the hate is, its almost as if people are giving their opinions without actually plsying the game and somely basing them of the company who made it.
I mean for gods sake, Blizzard made WoW but i dont see people dogpiling that and we all know what blizzard is like 😂
for real bro, he didn't even try to mention anything positive like the graphics, cutscene work, how the skills have situational mechanics built into them or how they interact with the environment or the pve content which was great, no mention on the character customization & super HD faces they have in this game, he legit jumps past anything good about the game then over-exaggerates anything he can to further push his invalid opinion
like damn, i legit cannot ever watch this guy again after this, i used to watch him religiously for any sort of game review because he went full in on giving a concise and informative review on games with 0 bias where he drops "pros & cons" etc, it was really nice, but then he does this...
this video made him seem like someone who he isn't, but ig this is just who bro is now or was all along? maybe he was being paid to give good reviews? 😂if bro is willing to hate on a game as good as this i wouldn't be surprised if he got paid to say good things about some of the other games he rated highly despite being worse than this one
The bot problem was adressed on korean with the AI guard. Maybe will be diferent...
Honestly doesn’t deserve all the hate it’s getting, I think most people will enjoy the game if they give it a shot. Play at least for 2 months and see the massive siege war
I agree and the game has its issues but Peon did a little research but not enough because alot is changing as of recent to address most NOT ALL major issues for example Arenas being added. He probably recorded this video like a week ago...
Definitely success since it's releasing day 1 on consoles and consoles are STARVING for anything like this
I love you and your videos but this one is a lil meh, if you look at the comments and watch other recent videos, other than the P2W situation, it's actually starting to be viewed very positively, this is actually the only negative video I've seen on the game in a while lol.
As a whole the mass opinion on this game has quickly been turning from negative to positive.~
This video was kinda hard to watch after knowing what I know based on several other videos.
Still love you though, I'm excited for the game! I just hate to see this video potentially hurt the games popularity when the game is actually starting to look pretty solid now.~
ya honestly the only problem is the p2w and I asked some friends who are playing in KR , the p2w is not a problem now like before because they keep nerfing the p2w by making the materials available easier in events , dungeons , boxes things like that , also u can even be competetive if u are f2p but it will take little more effort to be fair but this won't matter unless you are trying to be from top 10 or top 20 , if u are playing as semi hardcore / casual , that won't affect you at all
@@blacklord3212 Check the site, they made an announcement recently, games even less P2W for us, amazing.
The first time I saw this game, it immediately felt like Lineage 2 for me, which was one of the first games I ever played, and definitely the first MMORPG which started my MMO journey. I hoped it would be like Lineage, but it might be far from that. I will check the beta and I hope for at least 20% of my expectations to be met.
ya don't listen to all those biased reviews , try it and I promise u it will meet even more than 75% of ur expectations , the world , dungeons , zerging pvp , alot of amazing things , I would argue that I myself hate the monetization in korea , but I hope they will change it in the west
bro im 20 years veteran with lineage 2 , trust me TL is different but its so much worth
Hello,
Die hard fan subscriber here Peon, I love your reviews and especially your roadmap with IRL MMO and how you changed your life, it inspired me and motivates me to this day. However that being said and yes I've taken into account that you did a review on this game when you played it recently, this Video lacks a lot of originality and update. All of you said is old news that I've already seen on other channels way back, and nothing of substance is being added. A lot of updates came out since then and you did not mention many of them. I feel like you are starting to move away from gaming and losing interest in making quality content or maybe just making gaming quality content as your previous IRL MMO Life videos were amazing.
Hope you take some of this feedback as positive constructive criticism, keep up the good work !
Game IS fun
If you dont watch any Guides and Just get your first time MMORPG experience ITS pretty solid
This game changed tremendously since release and it's so much fun.
I'm playing it since release and indeed it has Pay to Progress mechanics but eventually you can get good with no money invested at all.
You can pay a lot of money to progress much faster but in my opinion it ruins all the fun.
The progression is this game is so much fun and feels so much rewarding whether if it's dungeons, guild raids, world bosses, contracts etc...
So much content to do you can not get bored.
The PvP is awesome and playing in groups is a must which makes it perfect. Just find out a good guild with good team mates.
This video has a lot of outdated information.
This game is not perfect and can be frustrating at times against whales but most of the time it's pure fun and no doubt it's the best MMORPG experience I have had in years.
My 2 cents: try before crying "P2W, skipping".
I’m happy to hear you liked it!!! Can’t wait for the open beta next week.
Finally a pvp game. Let's hope it doesn't suck too hard
if u like pve only u can totally enjoy pve only , if u love pvp only this game is one of the best in pvp , hundreds of players fighting with no lag or drop fps , it is extremely fun to see and optimized
@@blacklord3212 how do you know?
@@User-ec2bh i tried the game in KR last week I started it , everything about it is amazing to be honest , but I won't lie the monetization is something I dispise it sucks , it's still fine to be f2p but I hate the idea of grinding for days and then some kid coming flexing his wallet and throw all the hard work I did in a minute , so I hope they do something better about the monetization in the west , like subscription model will be amazing
Why not make the video after playing the coming beta????
Everytime a new MMORPG comes out and the talk about combat systems starts, I always shed a tear in memory of Tera :
I thought the revised version of the combat system is very smooth. Informations in this video are obsolete. I am disappointed.
I disagree. The combat in Throne and Liberty is pretty good. They have an alternative action mode to the combat as well. The last test improved on some things. It's not the greatest ever, but it was fun enough.
Im a Lineage 2 Player since 2004. And I believe, playing this game with a good party / Guild can be really good and enjoyable experience. At least first 3 4 months.
Na, this game doesn't really have parties like lineage. There are no real classes, no supports and almost no heals. You may as well play with bots.
@@paintspot1509 ı know ı know there is no have a MMO like as Lineage but the thing is at least, at least TL is trying... And ım pretty sure TL can be enjoyable if you focus mass pvps.
With an organized party/group you'll have a good time. Paintspot1509 is just a pure TL hater. I'm not making it up, just go look the rest of the comments in this video, he's hating on 90% of them. He's probably a L2 server admin afraid of losing part of his server's population (and monetary income) once the game launches.
L2 is my most played game of all time and I can tell you that there's a lot of things in TL that will make you remember L2.
@@msonix nonsense. TL is nothing like L2 in terms of party mechanics. The game barely has any healing. I am just telling it as it is.
TL will be very good for L2 private servers tbh, lots of people will go back to it because it is a better game.
@@paintspot1509 nonsense. L2 is my most played videogame of all time, and if you can't feel the similarities in a lot of aspects between TL and L2 (not necessarily gameplay mechanics) then that's your issue. In any case, it's good that people have diverging opinions, as long as they're substantiated - which is something you haven't really done in this comment section.
"TL" has been in development for over 10 years but didn't they start over a couple times, initially considering a traditional ARPG (diablo style) camera angle that was not well received?
Thx for the comments i had to do some research and the game is not as bad like this video suggest. btw they will introduce skill trait to each skills in two weeks to add build diversity. ( need more info about that but it sound promising for the future of the game)
Something wrong so tarisland for you is great and you are shiting TL combat? You are kidding? Tarisland you just press one key
T&L, you press none and your point? Also, Tarisland is garbage.
lmao
dont forget tarisland is sponsoring him but this game doesn't so he will shit on it
@@blacklord3212 maybe he is just being honest since he isn't getting paid. Did you ever consider this?
Everything he said is pretty much the same as 99% of people who played TL.
@@paintspot1509 lol , ya being honest about the game when he is using gameplay and footage 8 months old , use ur brain for once if u have one lol , actually ppl who actually played are actually saying otherwise and actually again read the comment section XDD
Can someone please explain to me genuinely how the combat in this game is bad and underwhelming? I just don't see it. The audio cues with the micro screen shakes when your ability connects with the enemy. How is that alone not portraying the combat to be impactful? When I played closed beta I loved the downward slash ability with the great sword. I felt the weight of the weapon on my character and the visuals of magic looked aesthetically pleasing. I'm not saying this combat is the best. I would argue its pretty good. No?
The combat is very decent. This review is either biased ir just uninformed.
so u played the closed beta and loved the combat ? well let me tell you the combat back then was shit lol , so if u loved the combat back then , now you will love it 100x more because it has been dramatically improved so much
@@blacklord3212 I look forward to it this upcoming OBT
Sexy armor? I need me some sexy armor, bros.
I thought this youtuber/reviewer job meant you actually have to do research and get your facts up to date. Clearly I was wrong. This is outdated content and with straight up wrong informations. Disapointing.
ya he brings content 8 months ago and make review based on it , he failed to mention the improvements they made to the combat and how smooth and dynamic it has become , he failed to mention the amount of content they added , honestly the only thing I hate it the monetization , again this is KR we are talking about not western monetization we still don't know anything about west monetization , I just hope these companies learn from riot games , a company that makes billions over billions just from cosmetics
Only games he gives good reviews to these days are the ones that sponsor him
This information seems to be a bit outdated, and it appears that the review may have a biased perspective, especially considering the reviewer's sponsorship by a different MMO, ESO. However, I do appreciate the effort made to temper the hype surrounding Throne and Liberty. While it may not have been successful in this case, it's understandable that content creators sometimes voice their opinions based on personal benefit. Ironically, I wouldn't be surprised if the same content creator ends up playing the game they were speaking negatively about. It's always interesting to see how things unfold in the gaming community!
This is a crazy example of AI generated comments. Someone gave ChatGPT the prompt "Summarize the sentiment of the comment of this video and generate a comment that represents the average comment".
"especially considering the reviewer's sponsorship by a different MMO, ESO." BEEP BOOP BEEP "it's understandable that content creators sometimes voice their opinions based on personal benefit." BEEP BOOP BEEP "It's always interesting to see how things unfold in the gaming community" *starts literally doing the robot*
okay okay, last one lol this is just a wildly blatant bot. "the reviewer", "The same content creator", "the gaming community" lmao. Avoiding all direct and specific references. Perfect grammar and punctuation then you watch 4.5 seconds of the videos on the channel and they're speaking russian or something, come onnnnnnnnn
@@Shwinginator1 What is wildly blatant bot is your comment and opinion which means 0. I can tell how you like to suck content creators boots and you know 0 about the game that cc is talking about. Do a favor to mankind and stop commenting nonsense. ESO is a dying MMO anyways, plus whatever he said is extremely outdated and not correct, whoever follows Throne and Liberty knows it.
this will be the first time that i try out a mmo on ps5. my pc is too old now, so i gotta make use of my console. now that the ps5 has a proper discord add-on its even possible to atleast speak with my mates on pc.
Saying that a month after the release players felt there was a lack of content while simultaneously showing video of the T2 armors that were added as part of new content is pretty wild. We should also talk about the autocombat from the initial Korean beta instead of the current state of the game, it feels like that might have fit well in this video.
I used to like LazyPeon's videos, and the diligence that he used to put into them. It feels as though he just has a team that mashes together background footage and hands him a script with poorly researched and intentionally disingenuous content to make a voiceover. The channel is unfortunately another amazing product of passion that is cashing out the good will and reputation it has built up.
@TheLazyPeon, you haven't even played the game. On KR you barely played and never reached nowhere near the end game content, especially end game pvp.
Why people should ever listen to you opinion on this topic.
P.S. Quest design offers more variety and though than any MMO out there rn apart from Final Fantasy. You legit lost your touch
Cope. The game is a generic theme park with p2w. Dead in a month MAX. Ashes alpha 2 test with bugs and an incomplete game will be better which is embarrassing. Korean MMORPGs 🤮🤮
It doesn't take long to understand how shit this game is
@paintspot1509 @KanWest-mv6dr Again, LOOOOOOVE hearing opinions of people who hasn't tried something for themselves.
This is what its all about from the beginning. Stop listening, try it and then talk.
@@xiching_ who said i didn't try it?
@@paintspot1509 Have you reached the end-game ? have you participated any any major war between guilds? Have you been a part of any of the castle sieges?
If you are - be my guest and give your opinion in a big scale.
If you are not - then it's just 'first impression' based on 2 hours in the game having 0 clue on how the game actually works
(Exactly what Peon did)
And yeah, the guy reached like lvl 24-25 if I remember correctly, because I WAS there and 24-25 is like 4 hours of gameplay, less than 1 hour if you know what you are doing.
What a lazy video. Half your information is outdated or false.
The game is dead in Korea, that's all you need to know.
Except it's not outdated stay mad tho
@@zonedout3390 it is not outdated. it is false.
@@paintspot1509because Korean whales don't have so much advantage even they spent so much money thats why..
@TotoyMolangMarikina lol no it's not. It's because the game is terrible.
Most i see are great comments, im excited to play it!
Keep in mind, these devs created Blade and soul, imo the king of tab target combat system for mmos. They can and could have made this game that good combat wise or even better. They simply chose not to. Why? Well its gonna be mobile cross platform and the current combat system is easily portable and compatible with androids
It's not going to be cross-platform/platform with mobile. The devs already said so. There will be a standalone mobile version that will be different from the PC/Console version, just like Black Desert Online Mobile.
thelazypeon 🤝forcegaming = making videos with tons of misinformations about TL and not mentioning the actual and future good changes/updates. the youtube sewer of mmo/gaming category
i played and enjoyed the previous beta, the game doesn't look like a mobile mmo at all, try the game for your self and don't listen to haters.
0:45 I don’t play them, I watch you play them and feed off your suffering
the waking up peon sound of wow at the begining had me rolling i felt that realy smashed my head XD when you said all mmos are bad but we still play them
cant wait to play soon!
Nah Peon, this video is a massive L.
VERY outdated information, information based on others' opinions rather than your own experience (and focusing mostly on the negative ones), and other information just downright wrong.
It kinda feels like you're living up to your nickname now.
TL's combat feels very decent, there's plenty of content even for solo players (though it is more focused on group-play), and the performance/optimization of the game is excellent.
Not only that, the devs have a very solid content roadmap in place, with the newest big content (and systems) update coming being split in 2 updates this summer (which you also failed to mention).
Please do better next time mate.
he failed to mention the upcoming raid after 4-5 months , so much content will be released if the game is even more successful
8:55 the obligatory Assmongold bit. never gets old.
Game looks awesome. I hope the p2w isn’t out of control.
Devs made p2w a lot less viable since launch meaning, its quite easy to catch up as a f2p on kr servers every player has max gear + more, if there just playing the game. Basically p2w makes players have a in my opinion not even big advantage early on with new content/launch and later on its all the same.
... It feels more than a little odd to have a paid ad in your video from you for a different MMO while you attack another MMO... Not saying there's something nefarious but let's be real the look isn't probably something to consider as the points sour when the viewer sees your taking money from their direct competitors...
he's biased! he deliberately put misinformation in this video
a lot of misinformation, you did not look for even the slightest new data, many big changes are being made before the big launch, THE GAME DOES NOT HAVE OPEN WORLD PVP, WITHOUT CONSENT, everything but everything in the video is false, false, false
Huh?
Throne and liberty was a blast in the newest beta, only up from here for sure
I don’t know but I enjoyed the beta a lot and I am looking forward to play this game and check it out on my own.
The combat is the best ive played in a long time in MMO's, Not sure how you can say compared to WoW its at best average :/
Bot
agree. this video is super misleading.
@@paintspot1509 they've clearly payed a bunch of people to leave these comments, it's hilarious.
@@paintspot1509 he is not bot , the combat 8 months ago ya it felt bad or at average compared to wow , now the combat is smooth and dynamic , he failed to mention that , this is why everyone is saying that this video is misleading
@@isoutoforbit no they didn't , because many ppl actually tried the game in KR now , the combat 8 months ago ya it was shit , now it is smooth and dynamic , they even said they will keep improving it more and more , look if u want an honest review not a biased one , the game is perfect in every aspect literally the best MMO in term of optimization , polishing , world , dungeons , pvp , everything , but the monetization is shit but again that's KR monetization ppl are judging , we don't know anything about western monetization , i just hope these korean companies learn something from riot games , a company that makes billions over billions only from cosmetics and skins
I think you just didnt play Recently the game + its not ONLY tab target, its Action combat too , you can choose .
BUT in all fairness , it was reallllly bad.
Now its Above avarage, but alot to work on Combat mechanics. its toooooo simple.
I had to pause at 7:10. The games combat is very good at higher levels. What he said is true about it feeling slow and clunky but that’s just for the first 20-30 levels depending on your weapon. You can feel it ramp up pretty quickly once you start unlocking your abilities and by endgame I think the combat is actually where this game shines with fighting game like counter mechanics and interesting skill options. I honestly don’t think the combat is that bad early. It’s just low level mmo combat. That’s how it is.
As always, thanks for ur impressions Peon! But this is the first time I felt a creator being to easy on the facts which he himself had shown throughout the video.
Maybe its as u said, u really want to like the game and are therefore a little biased (which is totally fine) but I was really surprised by ur summary at the end. Lets hope for the best and it can be enjoyable for this very niche playerbase - I wont be one of those after what I have seen.
Closed beta was awesome , i got impressed by optimization of the game in large scale pvp . And game is beautifull , and i loved it .
same game ran amazing looked good and had more to look forward to then a game like new world looks to be a dub to me
@@gtkingly8127 new world nowhere near the throne and liberty optimization.When You have mass pvp with 1 k players and basicly no lag. That was quite impresive.
how did it feel? anything you can compare it to or nah?
@@lushbIood one of the best games coming out this genre.Cant wait for finally come out ,been waiting for months now.
Did they removed the auto play stuff?
If you want a review from someone that actually played the game, check Kanon videos.
Kanon's videos are very well-informed.
Agreed! Don't listen to this ESO shilling video.
I'm convinced the MMO market has reached peak saturation and the older powerhouse MMOs have a stranglehold on the market and makes all new MMOs destined to fail. Since the new MMOs are setup for failure before launch the companies resort to milking pay to win micros to make money until it's eventually shutdown. I've moved on to From Software and Monster Hunter games for my MMO dopamine fix. Those games are all about progression and getting better and defeating stronger enemies, which was the same loop that drew me into MMOs in the first place.
MMOs need to evolve past that but the question becomes how and when. We can't do the same thing we've been doing for the better part of 20+yrs.
It needs to evolve just not sure how.
@@zonedout3390that's the thing as long as people are still playing those old game new games won't work. There's only a finite amount of mmo players out there and most won't quit playing the one that they have spent 10 - 20 years playing. Things need to evolve tho you are 1000% right about that
@@deadcaptainjames6045 maybe read the comments section again. this video is super misleading. this game is here to solve these problems and to restart the genre. this game should be one of the top mmos after a decade like the top mmos we have right now which took decades to make their current position on top. especially Guild wars 2 as it is the most similar to this game.
just read the comment section and u will know how misleading and shit peon is about this game just because they didn't sponsor him
i miss jumpuh moments
lost ark combat mentioned as good KEKL
? the only reason ppl play this shit game is because of the combat lol , everything else is shitty about it , the combat is so satisfying
@@blacklord3212 combat is mobile garbage like that whole game, the only midly interesting thing are boss fights for a week or two. Boss fights != combat. comabt is dogshit, animations are shit, movement is shit, skills are shit
Chat/Comment People , I tell you something. If you want to understand actual game go and watch content creators who actually playing the game and not the people who shearing 7 month information's :) cheers
1 or 2 people still playing doesnt make the game good. There is a reason it died in Korea.
Bro this game was dead on arrival. Theres so many actual good games like Baldurs gate or Elden ring to play
@@paintspot1509 People in Korea (or Asia general) like P2W MMOs. It doesn't mean anything.
@@Ziggyvu those are not mmorpgs. those are shitty woke games.
GuildWars 2 has the best tab target combat, it's so fluid and mobile which makes it feel amazing to play!
this game is basically guild wars 3. same combat but slightly modernized. this video is super misleading.
@@abdelrahmanrad no it isnt
Some corrections to this great video - there is no split into factions for the bosses. It is for the dynamic map events which are PvP. To add to the botting - the botting is not problem that much anymore as a lot of bots are caught by AI system which just kills them. The train you showed in the video - you can't see it anymore. The problem though is the scripting.
On topic of mobile this game is not available on mobile and from the plans they have, there will be mobile version but similar what you mentioned with BDO. Completely different game.
The combat is not that clunky at level 50, because you can weave the skills much more efficiently. For example bow+dag plays a lot more dynamic with a lot of skills pressing and you can play dodge mechanics from fury blocks to get additional movements speed and crit hit. I play the game in action mode and it feels like different game to classic (L2) mode.
Great job on the video!!
How can you say it's a great video and then proceed to correct Peon on so many points?
It's a very poor video, with poor research and a lot of misinformation.
@@msonix It is great video to bring attention to the game and make people aware of the good/bad points. Some of his point I agree with and hoping NCSOFT to improve on them points.
I think I corrected maybe 2-3 points out of all of them? So it is not super innacurrate and outdated, BUT yes it could have been more accurate as it seems like he recorded it couple of months ago?!
@@Red4angelSK Some of the bad points are either outdated or outright incorrect. Bad optimization? The game's one of the best optimized MMORPGs ever launched, both client-side and server-side.
Clunky movement and combat? It's not Elden Ring, but 90% of the MMORPGs on the market have worse movement and combat than TL.
Grindy? You can reach max level easily in 3 days if you grind your ass out, or in a week and a half if you play casually. Not only that, the gear enhancement system is very forgiving and more casual-friendly than all other KR mmorpgs to date.
If TLP considers himself a professional content creator, then being several months late in delivering your work is 100% unprofessional - as it is in any other job in the world.
TLP has done better, and he should do better if he still wants to be considered as a relevant creator in the space.
Battle is also designed to consoles as well..
Game is good, just give it a try at July 18
bruh it's a freaking mobile game, all they did was remove the auto play
Many of the issues that Lazypeon mentions in this video are problems that occurred in early versions of the game. Many were fixed or offset in later versions. I'm not saying it's a perfect game, but it's much better than when it started.
@@johnmaco dude. I played the KR version not far from a month ago, who are you trying to fool? game is trash
@@iJokester then dont play, nobody cares
nothing new , many games have this
My prediction is, tomorrow will be Wednesday, my dudes.
Source???
Thank god brother
@@willSolos
trust me, bro
That's a bold claim my guy. Do you have a source for that?
@@his_name_is we'll need a little more than that Mr
Throne And Liberty is FUN !!!! GREAT GAME with HUGE improvements comming on launch.
I feel like release date at roughly the same time as AoC A2 release will hurt them regardless of how good (or bad) the game might be.
I feel like you have rushed this review just so you could get some content out for the ESO sponsor?
Peon i like your videos but a lot of info in this video is outdated or exaggerated.
(playing daily since Korean launch)
If it will be 89% like L2 - it will be awsome.
This is what ff17 mmorpg needs to look like or better cuz this is the best graphics for mmorpg the next big one
The next time you are going to make a video game, play it first, the game has been in Korea for 8 months, if you have not bothered to even look for current information and have preferred to misinform all the people who were curious about the game (btw nice edition)
worst review of tnl so far, THIS IS OUTDATED REVIEW OF 8MONTH AGO, devs really upped there game and been cooking with a insane amount of good changes.
Peon, I know the first descendants isn’t generally speaking your type of game, but I would love to hear you do a review on it.