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Where's Iruna Online has more players than BDO and Toram Online has more players than eve online also Toram is where Final fantasy 14 players go if they can't pay the sub anymore.
2003 mplestory was the best time of my life. Slime tree, sleepywood, orbis boat and Balrog. I hope the people I met in that era are alive and well in 2024.
As someone playing since 07 across various servers (SEA, EU and USA) , I’d say global maplestory might be in the best place considering now we finally get our own updates instead of a delayed copy paste of what the Korean players get It’s not perfect but it has been a fun experience
W101 was a game my cousin got me into when I was 14yrs old. W101 will always hold a special place in my heart. I do jump from time to time on my acc and my cousins who passed away 😭.
Not much has changed in the MMO genre. But it is the hardest game to make in the gaming industry so naturally it'll take a very long time until a "good" new MMO comes around.
tell me about it, i been waiting for new MMORPG since FFXIV, and only thing that was any Decent for Lost Ark and New World. Honestly New World is really good, if only they didnt make it too easy to level/mess up end game. Still sad about New World. a lot of stuff in that game were really fun to play.
@@Viewingaccount123 honestly, looks like a cookie cutter mobile Japanese game. Seen and played plenty. It be fun for first 1-3 months, and it die down like all others.
Its such a good game. Same with rs3 tbh (other than the cash shop and key drop) but I will still play rs3 and pretend like the cash shop doesn't exist while leveling all my stuff and getting necromancy off the ground lol
i dont get the appeal of this game. I've played it before, and its so boring. I guess i'm just weird, because all the games that i love get shut down and noone likes them. :(
I love how ESO makes me feel like I actually make a difference in the world. When I help a town, every time I come back there it is still the way I left it, and they remember and react to how I helped them in the past. I also love how the leveling of everything works. It's a fun, chill game.
ESO was the only one I stuck with honestly. I love the design, love the world, love the classes. Just my personal thoughts of course, I’m definitely more of a casual player that plays for fun and isn’t bothered by metas etc. Just love this game 😂
I agree it was a really good casual MMO. For just playing a ton of characters and tinkering with the abilities to fine my preferred combination I enjoyed myself. I didn't enjoy the end game though when it became farm these different armor sets that are only strong for the set bonuses. From what I have seen of people playing New World it also has that pitfall of farming different armor sets and that game design never seems to go well.
I remember being in grade school going to the public library on a Saturday and all 30 computers being used by kids playing RS screaming prices and making trades at the grand exchange 😂
Gotta say, I wish DDO had a larger player base. Theres no game that I’ve played that comes even remotely close to the experience I’ve had on DDO. The aspect of reincarnation, you can level up to cap and then (using the same character) start back at level one as a totally new class if you want. And each time you do it, you get a specific character buff depending on the class you were previously. All of these buffs stack and each life you get a new one. This allows you to literally see the increase in power each time you make the choice to re level. Not only this but there are iconic classes. These classes start at level 15 and can be reincarnated at level 30. Not only this but the amount of options you can choose. You can splash different classes in with your primary class to get specific feats like evasion which helps when avoiding traps. Rogue’s actually ARE USEFUL. You can disarm traps, open doors, and unlock certain chests. Healing? Tank? DPS? Absolutely but there is no limit in how you can build your toon. There’s so many classes and races, there’s many quests and raids. If you don’t like the reincarnation aspect? There is a legit endgame. You can level a toon up to cap, enjoy the end game content as long as you want and when you want to try something new, you can TR all the way back to lvl 1 or even just to level 20. Although, lvl 20 reincarnation you’d be the same class but you can switch out feats. You could go from a two handed fighter to a single weapon fighter if you wanted. (Etc) Does the game lag? Sure. There are frustrating moments. But in my opinion the diversity of class and character customization outweighs absolutely every game that is out right now. There’s no battle pass, and it’s free to play. Sometimes they release all of the adventure packs for free (on certain holidays). I’ve only paid for 3 expansions right now of the maybe 4-5 out. I’ve also ran into some of the long time elite players. The community on that game is VERY welcoming to new players. Everyone is helpful, they’ll tell you what items to look out for or even how to tweak your build to be optimal for raids. If you’re interested, see me on the Orien server.
It's called the cost sunk fallacy. These people have been playing MS for 20 years now. They're in too deep to ever quit playing the game no matter how the devs treat them.
It was my first character a male mage called Deathsdoor on StormShaddow server what made blizzard steal my name for a new area in the game. I was also a famous gnome mage called Tossie (originally Tossoff) My guilds completed all raid and dungeon instances at the time with me as raid leader 🤪😎
Guild Wars was the most epic pvp game ever with RuneScape behind it. If Guildwars makes another game and they make it similar to the first one I will play it for sure.
Ragnarok, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy XIV, D&D Neverwinter, Star Wars Knights of Old Republic and Throne and Liberty were definetely The bests MMORPGs that I have already played in my life. Highlights for GW2 and FFXIV. I will never forget the excitement that I had in the first time playing them, it was a magic experience. And I really do not know why I took so long to play FFXIV... a game from 2010, but the first time I played it was in january of this year. True masterpiece. Freakin awesomeness. Hands down. It true deserves the first place. Its a beautiful game, with an awesome gameplay, features and Storyline campaign
Started BDO on july and I have zero regrets, I am loving the game, I love doing quests and grinding and I am slowly getting into PVP, participating in Wars with my guild and it's just so much fun!
I dropped the game because it felt like the game is too easy at the beginning ! U kill every mob, even bosses are so easy. You have a ton of skills at the beginning also. The progression did not feel right for me.
And GW2 has great combat. The variety of combat is incredible. The responsiveness is a blast. The dynamic Meta events with TRUELY dozens (20, 30 40 and more) of players: attacking the boss, reviving other players (everyone can heal), swapping weapons, dodging attacks, timing rotations, swapping weapons again, timing new rotations, timing special trait attacks, using utility attacks, taking a hit, struggling for survival, saved by another player, back into the combat ... down goes the boss, examining loot, salvaging loot, auto storing loot to the bank. Now, where is the next Meta? All for no monthly fee!!! I never have to to "Pay to Play" (monthly fee) so you can "Play to Win". To support the game, I occasionally buy some Gems, use them on cosmetics and just enjoy the community. No one every requires me to Pay to Play.
Love Guild Wars. Would love to see a Guild Wars 3 to incorporate some updated graphics/effects and to see how they would use a lot of the newer game design tools that have come out in recent times.
In albion online you can do basically everything for free, you just have to grind a bit for a premium which u can buy either with ingame currency or with real money. Also its not P2W too much cuz as he said its full loot - If you die, it doesnt matter if you bought that with ur money or ingame currency, you will lose that anyways (only in certain areas). Have a great day!
@@cyberyaya8483 The game is nowhere near dead, there are still massive zergs fighting over cyrodiil The combat does feel better over time. The ability to mix and match skills from ~20 tree lines is very refreshing and allows for a lot of build crafting. Give it a try without being set on the "this combat sucks" mindset and see if you like it. The one thing ESO lacks imo is a good mount system. Currently they're just a speed boost without any mechanics to it, which feels lame.
Talking about MMO definitely Albion Online is the purest MMO, but most people won't like it because of it's graphics and no class selection just like other MMO, but if we are talking about pvp and pve for MMO game Albion is the real MMO where it feels like the world runs by players and players is basically the system
as an avid LOTRO player the community is by far not the best and not even the best in the MMO genre. FFXIV’s community is definitely the best and most accepting I’ve seen out of all the established MMO’s
@@razorz3290 genuinely curious in what way you say FFXIV is close to WoW community wise? FFXIV doesn’t gatekeep content by having achievements like AOTC and isn’t nearly as toxic with people just being gross and bailing out of content after a single wipe. So I’d like to know your experience
LotRO is nowhere near the best, not saying it's bad but if it was known for a strong community the game would be doing better than it is. FFXIV isn't the best either, it's strong but with numbers comes toxic behaviour, it's nowhere near as bad as wow though that community is easily bottom 2 with LoL players. GW2 would be the best community most welcoming, most helpful, their "mentor" system the mentors actually help new players and you can always find someone to help you clear content and experience the game. I played wow from release right up to DF beginning then quit, I've played FFXIV and still do regularly and gw2 on and off I've also played LotrO but couldn't get on with it because I was asking for help constantly and was always ignored so gave up Thank you for listening to my ted talk 😂
I've dabbled in a ton of different MMO's over the years, with the exception of anything that came out in 2020 or 2021, you name it I've played it. The ones I tend to always go back to in a rotation (somewhat random order) are FF14, Destiny 2, GW2, WoW, SWToR, OSRS, and bouncing around to different WoW PServers... usually Project Ascension, sometimes Warmane. I feel myself being pulled back to FF14 for the expansion, though. You're spot on by saying that the Devs treat their players the best out of any other MMO community, simply from personal experience of playing so many MMO's since basically 2001/2002.
Hey Lucky, Good list. Missed Guild Wars 2 , Janthir Wilds expansion. Launching , August 20th. Going to be the best player housing in any MMO out there currently. Plus land spears . New story , Arena Net doesn't advertise that well . Throne & Liberty combat is garbage. I wanted BDO style . They made some hybridize tab target system. Boring gameplay for me. The large scale PvP matches look okay in T&L . GW2 or ESO , do Realm vs Realm better imho. From the developers of DAOC & Warhammer Online. Thanks for this
I've loved FFXIV since A Realm Reborn. Such a great experience! The community is fantastic, and the Main Story Quests must be experienced. There is always something to do to keep your attention. Whether it's the games at the Gold Saucer, the robust crafting system, doing dailies and weeklies, hanging out with your Free Company mates, building your island sanctuary, decorating your house, or trying to get all the mounts and minions, it definitely pulls you in. There is something for everyone.
I just wished they never changed pvp from how it was in HW. For me FF14 has the best pve and story but pvp is my main enjoyment and when they changed it in SB my brothers and I just stopped playing.
FFXIV is very fun but the story is not good. I tried to follow for the first 50 levels then realized it's not worth it. There is waaaaay too much dialogue so I finally started skipping everything.
Ultima Online still has my heart. No other game has given me the same thrill as UO.. just listening to "Stones" the startup music brings back such nostalgia.. 😢
Woah, lets not got it twisted with us OSRS players. No one begged the developers to reinstate the old version. They forced EOC upon us and as a result we collectivly boycotted the game and signed petitions to have it returned to its earliest format and as a result of that, we now control all and any updates from passing as a community.
Not really accurate. Many people wanted 2011 rs, but they "lied" and claimed they didn't have the files to reinstate to that version, so we got the 2007 instead.
Don't forget that WoW playerbase got split a lot, firstly it got split into Classic and Retail + There are a lot of private servers with a lot of players. We can't really tell how big the playerbase is
Question for the comments: Out of all these games listed, or not, which MMO RPG has the least amount of monetization & fair amount of grinding involved? I’m not about to download 5 different MMOs to try if I’m gonna end up wasting my time, effort, and money progressing towards something that won’t bring me a sense of enjoyment as Destiny & Destiny 2 both have in the last decade. Looking forward to the replies!
The one that fits your comment would be new world that only ask you to buy the game once and it's expansions, other similar entries would be GW2, Star Wars and Elder Scrolls but the last has more monetization than the other in the form of a cash shop. If you are willing to pay a subscription wow and FFXIV are at the top for a reason, they are very accesible and very fun if you like the combat mechanics. A personal favorite is osrs with only a members subscription you get a sheer amount of quality content, there is a barrier of entry by on the old mechanics but trust me it has a skill ceiling, it doesn't get stale. Eve and Albion are both grindy and p2w but really that's the appeal since the focus is on the player economy. But most importantly you want to avoid maple story and lost ark for the gridniness
Maplestory on a reboot server is fine (no p2w just grind) also not very beginner friendly with how much stuff it throws at you GW2 has a high entry price with how many extensions it has FFXIV is great and only asks you to play as much as you want the cash shop only has event items and cosmetics (it does have story skip and a boost to lvl but that's only useful if you want to get a second character though the story) Would give it a try and see if you like it (the trial has no time limit) TESO is pretty expensive and I personally don't like the gameplay that much BDO is very p2w (people say it's pay for convenience which in my opinion it's not) Lost Ark is also extremely p2w
Cool recap! For future editions my suggestion is to try and show the numbers (like you did for new world and lost ark) even if its just an approximation so we can get a better idea of the rankings (i was particularly interested in the numbers and im sure many people out there are too) Keep up the good work!
I'm so burnt out on old MMOs. I'll give Throne and Liberty a try and I'm looking forward to Ashes of Creation. Aside from that, I just casually play some single player games these days
@@Danka524wild statement. The combat feels and looks great. The default button layout is not ideal, but you can literally change it lol The graphics look good too. I’m not a huge fan of the game menu and the a lot of elements don’t feel intuitive, but that combat with souls like counters and beautiful graphics and very little lag is amazing.
@@Danka524 I played the Korean version for 8 hours or so a while back. I thought it seemed like quite a polished modern MMO. I didn't have experience with the endgame yet, so I really can't say
@@Gobbldeegoo1 I think they shot themselves in the leg with tab target combat. The graphics look good indeed but I can't really explain exactly what I dislike except for that the combat felt generally bad for me
Biggest surprise: Good old Wizard101 still on the list! Game is so unique among the other titles and still maintains its difficulty especially in the earlier worlds. Not without its flaws but worth checking out if you don’t mind the turn based card style combat.
@@anteprs7908 To me casual doesn't mean to stand within all AoEs,, don't move and ignore all Boss warnings. Casual means, not to play savage, unreal, but to follow your own leasure way, move a bit slowlier than progress players. You still can manage all normal dungeons and trials along the story and also the 8ppl Raids, but: You are forced to observe Boss behaviour and react quicker than before. Your playing errors provoke harsch konsequences to your hp bar.
@@sgoldkuh buddy all that we know and no doing savage make you midcore to hardcor sorry the content you do make you what you are . "You are forced to observe Boss behaviour and react quicker than before. Your playing errors provoke harsch konsequences to your hp bar " that fien for all content BUT NOT MSQ DUNGS some content need to be for casual who play as true casual who play to relax and have fun relax the mechanics need to be clear and not annjoying or confusing . their shouldnt be a wipe in a casual msq dung (not expert that fine ) unless YOU F UP A CLEAR MECHANICS . and the lv 97 and 99 dung are annjoying ,confusing and chaotic all around with some bosses and that why casual have been complain. as for normal raids and expert dung you are free to make it as it is they are semi causal content that have a bit of a difficult curve it the line inbtween casual and midcore content but the game NEED PURE CASUAL CONTENT and it ALWAYS WAS THE MSQ dung and the story and right now most casual arnt happy with it but are hoping it change if it doesnt i nthe next 2 expantion you will see ffxiv have it own wow shadowlands phase. we can see clearly the review are mixed and the FACT NON CASUALS ARE ENJOY CASUAL CONTENT WHILE CASUAL ARE ANNOYED BY IT IS CLEAR SIGN YOU FAILED a ton of us loved ew dung difficult it was fine for us and ENJOYABLE now we dont have that and piece by piece we are losing content.
Yeah you're correct. I think a lot of the 'player base' that it lost during that 1 month from the population chart sheet was a large ban wave of bots. Regardless the game is amazing, and I mean amazing. The combat is probably the best combat I've ever experienced in all MMO's, but the end game is very grindy, requiring to do many Weekly and Daily activities to gear and account progress, or you can pay to progress which the game tries to encourage you to do. Overall the game from me gets a 7.5/10 and it would be a 9.5 if it wasn't so grindy and didn't encourage pay to win.
There's been a resurgance of old MMOs that have come back that I'd like to hear your population stats on: City of Heroes: Homecoming, Everquest 2 Origins, Warhammer Return of Reckoning, Dark Age of Camelot Eden, Vanguard emu etc. They don't have populations to hit the top 20 or even 50 but still would like to hear about them.
@@Sanguivore unfortunately, not yet:( They're still getting it back to 100%. There's things missing like diplomacy rewards and end game content. I've seen about 20 or so players on generally.
@@GeekyGizmo007 Oh, geez. >.< Guess I should hold off on that one til a little further down the line then. Seems like a really fun and interesting game! Do you currently actively play?
@@Sanguivore I don't play it now. I'm also waiting for them to get further along with it and increased population. I played it when it originally released and it was a great game for its time with really neat class mechanics that was executed poorly with really bad optimization and technical issues that caused its early demise.
New world is the type of game ive been looking for forever except for the style. Free roam, open world, crafting system, FREE dungeons, cosmetics I think, no pay to win, buy to play as it should be, with optional battle pass. Basically everything like WoW but a one time purchase. HOW do more people not play this game?! :(
No fucking way, anyone is able to play EsO without the sub to acquire that unlimited Crafting bag, It isn't even Negotiable. I don't want to be in my inventory clearing it out, every 15 minutes.
Very true, inventory without sub is pain. But is manageable if you create own guild and get 10 ppl in - will unlock 500 slots in guild bank - what is handy.
It's 100% a necessity. Couldn't agree more. Add on the mount leveling on new alts and the long drawn learning of crafting recipes. There's a reason I never stuck around in the long term.
too bad there is still this 10 year error that never been fixed where it say u need code from a mail but u never get it.... many players cant play the game because of that. I'm surprised it was never addressed
The reason why gw2 is so successful is because of the community, everyone is so friendly and helpful if you are looking for an mmo look no further than gw2
And also, GW2 does not demand $13 / month to just log in. And also, the combat is dramatically more fun than FFXIV (in my 12 years of experience). This being said, I fully support each person declaring their own choice of a favorite MMO. "Most Played" does not mean the best for you. YOU choose what is best for you. GW2 has a free version across a massive game world. AND, when you buy an expansion, don't worry about paying a fee to just log in to play. A monthly fee is the ultimate "Pay to Play" before you can "Play to Win".
the issue i had with guild wars was that the end game didn't really seem to exist. you got to max level quickly and there wasnt an obvious progression beyond that. it was fun the first few weeks that i played it though.
Just got back into ESO after trying it before and been loving it a lot lately. Looking forward to playing it after work everyday. Love the single player aspect of it, just exploring the world and doing good quests, but the dungeons are legit really great. My top part of any MMO is running dungeons and the designs of even the early ones is awesome Play FF14 for a long time, but i just never could get into the story. It dragged so hard for me, especially in some of the interim sections between expansions. Love everything about that game except the quests I w
My favorite personally will always be Black Desert. That game is just incredibly fun and while it’s also very challenging, farming for nodes and mats actually feels rewarding. And the fact that even if you’re not playing, your workers continue to work on your land and gain you XP/materials. It’s a game that really thought of everything in my opinion
Just want to point out a small mistake.. During the MapleStory segment, you state that it has 260million registered members and the only MMO to come close is WoW.. which is not true. Runescape celebrated their 200 million registered accounts... in 2012! It's fair to assume that this number has since increased and is either close to MapleStory's 260M or even higher. Good video, though!
Im suprised that Lotro was not mentioned, it's player base is very healthy despite not being super popular, and it's still going strong with expansions. Free to play until lvl 100(out of 150) and a super friendly community.
Lets go lol osrs still up here taking names. I love that. I played for the first time in probably 2002 or 03. Back before the osrs 07 look for sure. Had white drop down boxes and was goofy as hell but the first multiplayer game i ever saw.
If you have eve, oblivion, bdo, I think Aurcus should be on there with a few thousand also. I understand it’s not the fan base it was before but the new players are still coming sometimes by the groups. Even new mmorpgs don’t have knockdown or are not auto target. It’s easy to level and action packed.
Great video, something I always say about GW2: if it had used the holy trinity and released with a raid or two, it would have been, and probably still would be, the #1 MMO. It literally has everything else in spades, it just missed out on the hardcore teamwork aspect that most popular MMOs were/are known for.
Why would u need the holy trinity?? That what makes GW2 stand out, Freedom GW2 has some hardcore teamwork aspect like the challenge mode of fractals, raids and etc, it still need a dedicated supports which is defensive and offensive supports.
@@TheEightDomain you don't "need" a holy trinity to be successful, but the fact is that a very large part of mmo players actually prefer that setup for end game content because it forces players to fulfill a role as part of a team. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to switch roles between fights and such, but once the fight/activity starts, you have a "job to do", so to speak. Now, GW2 definitely has content that requires a sort of pseudo version of tank, healer, dps (high end fractals, challenge strike missions, raids, etc.) but it's not the same because there is no aggro control. Thus there is no real tank option, it's pretty much just dps and healer/support. Now, that is fun imo, and I do enjoy it, but I could see a much larger crowd enjoying these activities if it followed the traditional holy trinity set-up instead. It would have lured over a very large portion of wow and ff14 players, especially if the core game had Released with these end game activities to begin with. I love GW2 and play it a good amount, but I just think it would have been, and still would be, the number 1 MMO on the market if it had released with at least one raid and used the holy trinity system, even if just a little bit.
RS2 was probably my first and longest love in terms of MMOs, especially during middle and high school. Ragnarok Online also, even though I had zero clue what I was doing in it (rip).
Normally i am not commenting on youtube but this time i feel you treated albion very unfair. Its definitly not a pay to win game cause even though you can buy currency with irl money it doesnt make you a good player or let you win every fight cause the game is also skill based and additionally to that yes there is a monthly subsciption which gives you several advantages especially when it comes to leveling but you dont need to spend a single dollar if you dont want to cause you can just buy it with ingame currency aswell. Which leads me to my last point. If you make a comparison like that atleast make it fair. The gameplay you had running in the back was atleast 5 years old since then the game got a lot of changes and improvements in terms of gameplay and graphics. That beeing said still thanks for the informativ video and work you have put in.
He iven give add in albion online material sector, give all video material from like 5 years ago and show only steam numbers buth most players play on orginal luncher
I thought about getting back into Lost Ark because of the combat and dungeons. And Gw2 fluctuates, honestly. We all need breaks from it. But it never completely dies because we never have to play it all the time. I've thought about playing BDO. It is crazy how long Maple Story has been around. Rune Scape is one of those games that has gamers respect due to being around this long.
Final Fantasy 14 is really good. gives the old mmo nostalgia feelings but yet new and more story focused. so those who like singleplayer games but miss the mmo feel this is the one! ALSO the community is so nice!
The old MMO nostalgia and FFXIV have no business in being in the same phrase unless you are mentioning how far apart they are from each other lol. Don't take me wrong FFXIV is really fking good but older MMO's are not only harder and more challenging but also had global open world PvP and world chat group search for dungeon hunting. Actual ingame economy existed and people were just way more friendly back then. Rivalries were a thing and all of that made it a much better experience.
@@dorayaki5494 Lol sorry if you misunderstood my meaning. maybe im not an expert but in my youth i played a lot of Perfect World and not long ago i started FF14 and i got similar feeling to that when i played Perfect World back then. kind off.
I don’t know the Combat is very very slow for me to get into, I tried it in Beta and was turned off and then tried it years later and wasn’t moved. If it was action combat without the timer like old FF then it would be better and more fast paced.
LOTRO has more players then it seems because allot of players dont use steam. Its a game that fans always returns to therefore will always have a stable population, I highly recomend testing it ^^
@@raass233 The runescape at that time is pretty much "OSRS" as we know it today. The low graphics and shockwave player etcetc. Before it evolved to RS3 I think in the 2010's or something.
By yalls logic than it’s RuneScape two during that time bc RS3 didn’t exist yet either. That’s osrs the golden years. Y’all just don’t wanna. Admit it. Rs3 launched in July of 2013. By yalls logic, it can’t get any credit for anything before that.
Guild Wars 2 is a great game. It has so much that is very unique and interesting about it, and I love that it wants you to explore as much as fight and quest.
The only thing bad for ffo is the subscription process every time I finish and go and log In I get hit with an account doesn't exist even though I just created it
for final fantasy 14? If so, I've had a similar problem and the solution was that emails are case sensitive and youd need to use the exact same capitals/lowercase letters you used when creating the account.
I love FFXIV. I played a bunch of random MMOs growing up but now in my late 20s, FF’s the first one I’ve truly played on a daily basis for a few years now. I’m a massive story guy so obviously that’s a factor but I also like the sheer variety of content I can pursue, whether it’s raiding, extremes, ultimates, PvP (which is admittedly underbaked), Gold Saucer, crafting/gathering, deep dungeons, glam hunting, etc. I just don’t tire of setting new goals for myself for what I wish to achieve and I respect Yoshi-P, the devs, and Soken. I imagine this is what it felt like to be in love with WoW in the mid 2000s.
the way that FF14 handled dungeon/raid finders i found to be the most compelling. higher levels getting scaled down so that people progressing through the game the first time are able to still get groups and experience the game. i have mentioned that i wanted that in another mmo i played and that community surprisingly reacted very negatively against that, believing that the challenge of finding people and forcing social interaction rather than a finder system was ideal. i doubt many of them have actually played FF14 to have that opinion because i socialized more in FF14 than any other MMO, part of that due to the ease that you could play with other players using the finder system.
EQ has been doing ban waves the past couple years which has taken out large chunks of the community and then when you are sitting around with a dropoff in players like that it kills the desire to even play yourself. I'm going through this right now on Mischief where the server population took a nose dive from where it was last year and trying to do anything now is too much of a hassle when i could just queue up for an ARAM in league and be playing right away. the early TLP cycle still maintains a decent number of players, but after I have down it a couple times now its too boring and what I wanted was to see the rest of the game, not play the same first 5 expansions over and over that I already know everything about them.
@@rynejones8513 ya i kinda found this myself with latest tlp. i did get to VP and clear it, but with velious going now, i am just to busy in FFXIV to do it
Albion online is shit he actually did it a massive praise for the crap it is, plus it's not an MMO so technically shouldn't be on this list atall. It's a standalone sandbox PVP game.
@@MartasTartas they don't play them all at the same time, they just log on focus and refine. But they do that on hundreds of accounts. So it mostly affect monthly amd weekly numbers
New World always has recurring bugs/exploits that would seemingly be patched one update then comes back the next update. It got so tiring that the Auction House would constantly get disabled because of it too.
"Free to play and 100% pay to win." Most accurate description of Albion Online lol. Is there any great MMOs out there anymore? Hope Corepunk comes out soon.
Lol,still so dumb for me to think about the words "PAY TO WIN" like how you call it a pay to win if you still got azz whooped by a player that are not paying,for example me myself payed real money and baught a max tier weapon and armor but still low tier player that is skillfull beat me,Maybe i can only call it "Pay to buy advantage weapon or fancy weapon" not to Win,haha,my point here is playing albion online to win a fight it need your skill in fighting using your set,and to win the game? you need to be good on business how to get a lot of silver by using the economy of the game not your credit card
Is this the new expansion in august? I’m so tempted if so. Played through vanilla to mists, haven’t found something which scratches the itch like wow did.
@@the1abstrakt So the World Soul Saga is actually 3 confirmed expansions starting with the newest xpac 'The War Within' releasing this August. After a full xpac cycle (usually 2 major updates with 2 minor updates in between) we will move onto 'Midnight' and lastly 'Last Titan'
Lost ark is like my favorite game in here but sadly it isnt available in india, thats like really sad thing for me, this is the only game i could find in which you can really show off your skills, you cannot just go ahead and spam moves on bosses. Yes there is a pay to win or a hell lot of grind but if you see someone with high gear you know they are good as most of the high quality gear cannot be unlocked without defeating high level bosses and learning a boss fight can literally take you days if you are not heavy grinding the game. I just wish they'd released it here this game was like the perfect game for me, fast paced fights,, requires reflex and quick thinking, need to learn the boss fights, your class really matters and builds too.
Lucky, every time you make this list you describe BDO incorrectly.... and it's a massive shame. You get 2 facts wrong.... First BDO is NOT a game about grinding monsters... it's a game where you pick one (or multiple) of the available gameplay options and progress. I can say with some degree of confidence that the majority of players spend most of their time in BDO doing something other than grinding mobs. You can be a chef/alchemist/sea captain/horse trainer.... you can just log in to do the social content (PvE or PvP).... and so on. There is content available for all levels of progression and playtime.... grinding mobs is just pretty straight forward... so it's easier to recommend than dungeons, pvp or lifeskills. and 2ndly ... PvP always on, is technically correct... but it's not in practice, since almost nobody EVER PvPs in the open world, outside of the 3 PvP servers (like channels). Open World PvP is too punishing ... and the game has a VAST amount of other ORGANIZED PvP avenues, from battlegrounds, to sieges, node wars, 3v3, actuall WARs (300v300), guild leagues... and so on... there is no reason for anyone with a functioning brain to engage in open world PvP... it's that simple!
I'm sorry but you have a mistake there imo. FFXI should be on the list. I'm pretty sure it has more players than new world if new world peaks at 4800 players playing same time. FFXI has also probably in general the most expensive subscription on this list lol
Guild Wars 2 is the best MMO I've played. The new expansion that just came out has a lot of cool things. The first of the new zones is great and the overhaul of the warclaw mount is really awesome. As time goes we will see how the new release schedule goes where a small content update is done every three months instead of a huge content update every few years.
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Where's Iruna Online has more players than BDO and Toram Online has more players than eve online also Toram is where Final fantasy 14 players go if they can't pay the sub anymore.
its not BUY TO PLAY. ITS BUY TO OWN. stop using their narrative.
@@rafewheadon1963 touch some grass brother
The pre-register button doesn't seem to work Lucky
Tried a different browser. It worked
2003 mplestory was the best time of my life. Slime tree, sleepywood, orbis boat and Balrog. I hope the people I met in that era are alive and well in 2024.
lol I rember getting stuck in El Nath for a few days cause I didn't know the way back to orbis. lv 17 rogue in 2004
As someone playing since 07 across various servers (SEA, EU and USA) , I’d say global maplestory might be in the best place considering now we finally get our own updates instead of a delayed copy paste of what the Korean players get
It’s not perfect but it has been a fun experience
@@PrivilegeYT sheeesh, I rmbr my first time in El nath. Wth were we doing there as low levels in the first place? Not to mention Aqua road.
WHO REMEMBERS KERNING PQ USING AUTOCLICKERRRSSS 😂😂🎉
Hello from that era
W101 was a game my cousin got me into when I was 14yrs old. W101 will always hold a special place in my heart. I do jump from time to time on my acc and my cousins who passed away 😭.
Not much has changed in the MMO genre. But it is the hardest game to make in the gaming industry so naturally it'll take a very long time until a "good" new MMO comes around.
tell me about it, i been waiting for new MMORPG since FFXIV, and only thing that was any Decent for Lost Ark and New World. Honestly New World is really good, if only they didnt make it too easy to level/mess up end game. Still sad about New World. a lot of stuff in that game were really fun to play.
@@adrianwrzodak1439what about throne liberty. Seems more fun than new world
@@Viewingaccount123 honestly, looks like a cookie cutter mobile Japanese game. Seen and played plenty. It be fun for first 1-3 months, and it die down like all others.
@@adrianwrzodak1439 yeah I’m waiting for the LOTR 😫
@@Viewingaccount123 if it just remake of old one, XD i pass. I played it when it first released, never got hooked by it.
The fact that OSRS was fighting death at 2015 and now is going strong in the top 3 makes me proud as a player of the game
Its such a good game. Same with rs3 tbh (other than the cash shop and key drop) but I will still play rs3 and pretend like the cash shop doesn't exist while leveling all my stuff and getting necromancy off the ground lol
But the fact that many of the games does not publically disclose numbers and having black desert as 5 is lol
Is what@@Stompinwind
Laughable @@starnoelle8248
i dont get the appeal of this game. I've played it before, and its so boring. I guess i'm just weird, because all the games that i love get shut down and noone likes them. :(
I love how ESO makes me feel like I actually make a difference in the world. When I help a town, every time I come back there it is still the way I left it, and they remember and react to how I helped them in the past. I also love how the leveling of everything works. It's a fun, chill game.
Why doesn’t Wizard 101 look like the trailers by now 😫😫😫
man i wish. i played that game a ton as a kid
Cause they dont want to update the engine
I never thought I'll hear wizard 101 here
ESO was the only one I stuck with honestly. I love the design, love the world, love the classes. Just my personal thoughts of course, I’m definitely more of a casual player that plays for fun and isn’t bothered by metas etc. Just love this game 😂
Please come play Ryse: Son of Rome with me. It's no fun playing alone
The things u fight r the exact same...gets so stale so fast for me..
I agree it was a really good casual MMO. For just playing a ton of characters and tinkering with the abilities to fine my preferred combination I enjoyed myself. I didn't enjoy the end game though when it became farm these different armor sets that are only strong for the set bonuses. From what I have seen of people playing New World it also has that pitfall of farming different armor sets and that game design never seems to go well.
I quit in 2022 when they nerfed casual/regular players, so we would have to buy the next expansion.
SWTOR was more taken from BioWare by EA then given over by BioWare, and the Dev team is reportedly happy to be out of under BioWare.
I remember being in grade school going to the public library on a Saturday and all 30 computers being used by kids playing RS screaming prices and making trades at the grand exchange 😂
Gotta say, I wish DDO had a larger player base. Theres no game that I’ve played that comes even remotely close to the experience I’ve had on DDO. The aspect of reincarnation, you can level up to cap and then (using the same character) start back at level one as a totally new class if you want. And each time you do it, you get a specific character buff depending on the class you were previously. All of these buffs stack and each life you get a new one. This allows you to literally see the increase in power each time you make the choice to re level. Not only this but there are iconic classes. These classes start at level 15 and can be reincarnated at level 30. Not only this but the amount of options you can choose. You can splash different classes in with your primary class to get specific feats like evasion which helps when avoiding traps. Rogue’s actually ARE USEFUL. You can disarm traps, open doors, and unlock certain chests. Healing? Tank? DPS? Absolutely but there is no limit in how you can build your toon. There’s so many classes and races, there’s many quests and raids. If you don’t like the reincarnation aspect? There is a legit endgame. You can level a toon up to cap, enjoy the end game content as long as you want and when you want to try something new, you can TR all the way back to lvl 1 or even just to level 20. Although, lvl 20 reincarnation you’d be the same class but you can switch out feats. You could go from a two handed fighter to a single weapon fighter if you wanted. (Etc) Does the game lag? Sure. There are frustrating moments. But in my opinion the diversity of class and character customization outweighs absolutely every game that is out right now. There’s no battle pass, and it’s free to play. Sometimes they release all of the adventure packs for free (on certain holidays). I’ve only paid for 3 expansions right now of the maybe 4-5 out. I’ve also ran into some of the long time elite players. The community on that game is VERY welcoming to new players. Everyone is helpful, they’ll tell you what items to look out for or even how to tweak your build to be optimal for raids. If you’re interested, see me on the Orien server.
if only it had good monetization. Scummy monetization killed that game.
whats ddo
The fact maple story goes up 4 ranking shows how weird the customer base is. The company got caught scamming them, and they are okay with it
prob asian players
to be fair the scandal was in Korean Maple story, global Maple story have done some very nice changes that the players actually wanted
Because if the actual gameplay is enjoyable, that’s number 1 in my book.
It's called the cost sunk fallacy. These people have been playing MS for 20 years now. They're in too deep to ever quit playing the game no matter how the devs treat them.
Maple is doing wonderfully with them finally separating development for Western markets recently.
Please come play Ryse: Son of Rome with me. It's no fun playing alone
Amazing when you consider some players in an MMO such as WoW may not have been born when game launch its long time. Good memories and nostalgia.
It was my first character a male mage called Deathsdoor on StormShaddow server what made blizzard steal my name for a new area in the game.
I was also a famous gnome mage called Tossie (originally Tossoff)
My guilds completed all raid and dungeon instances at the time with me as raid leader 🤪😎
I’m as old as wow 😂
Guild Wars was the most epic pvp game ever with RuneScape behind it. If Guildwars makes another game and they make it similar to the first one I will play it for sure.
Ragnarok, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy XIV, D&D Neverwinter, Star Wars Knights of Old Republic and Throne and Liberty were definetely The bests MMORPGs that I have already played in my life. Highlights for GW2 and FFXIV. I will never forget the excitement that I had in the first time playing them, it was a magic experience. And I really do not know why I took so long to play FFXIV... a game from 2010, but the first time I played it was in january of this year. True masterpiece. Freakin awesomeness. Hands down. It true deserves the first place. Its a beautiful game, with an awesome gameplay, features and Storyline campaign
Started BDO on july and I have zero regrets, I am loving the game, I love doing quests and grinding and I am slowly getting into PVP, participating in Wars with my guild and it's just so much fun!
I dropped the game because it felt like the game is too easy at the beginning ! U kill every mob, even bosses are so easy. You have a ton of skills at the beginning also. The progression did not feel right for me.
Lorewise, Swtor and gw2 are just amazing.
gw2 is good for exploring too. graphic seems a bit dated. and how all skill are locked to weapons idk. and need expansion for a (fly) mounts
And GW2 has great combat. The variety of combat is incredible. The responsiveness is a blast. The dynamic Meta events with TRUELY dozens (20, 30 40 and more) of players: attacking the boss, reviving other players (everyone can heal), swapping weapons, dodging attacks, timing rotations, swapping weapons again, timing new rotations, timing special trait attacks, using utility attacks, taking a hit, struggling for survival, saved by another player, back into the combat ... down goes the boss, examining loot, salvaging loot, auto storing loot to the bank. Now, where is the next Meta? All for no monthly fee!!! I never have to to "Pay to Play" (monthly fee) so you can "Play to Win". To support the game, I occasionally buy some Gems, use them on cosmetics and just enjoy the community. No one every requires me to Pay to Play.
@@RobGamer1949lolol all i can think thanks to my nephew is, graden warfare 2..? Lol obviously not the game
@@GamingDualities wow is much much better graphic in everything muc much better then gw2 ff14
Ff14 has an amazing lore too
🧐me watching this thinking something changed in the last 10+ years besides 1 or 2 new titles.
Love Guild Wars. Would love to see a Guild Wars 3 to incorporate some updated graphics/effects and to see how they would use a lot of the newer game design tools that have come out in recent times.
This is exactly what I'm thinking soon on GW3 🎉🎉 hopefully it will be made and will beat top 1 and 2. 😊
It's in development right now.
I honestly hope they remove the horrid weapon switching mechanic
@@SmallFlynt literally best mechanic in the game lol.. im engi main btw
@@MrVorech Yeah no it's shit
In albion online you can do basically everything for free, you just have to grind a bit for a premium which u can buy either with ingame currency or with real money. Also its not P2W too much cuz as he said its full loot - If you die, it doesnt matter if you bought that with ur money or ingame currency, you will lose that anyways (only in certain areas). Have a great day!
Swtor has some of the best story lines I've seen.
But ESO will always be #1 for me.
ESO is so addictive.
I wanted to try out ESO, but the combat seems slow/boring and the game is pretty dead atm.
@@cyberyaya8483 The game is nowhere near dead, there are still massive zergs fighting over cyrodiil
The combat does feel better over time. The ability to mix and match skills from ~20 tree lines is very refreshing and allows for a lot of build crafting.
Give it a try without being set on the "this combat sucks" mindset and see if you like it.
The one thing ESO lacks imo is a good mount system. Currently they're just a speed boost without any mechanics to it, which feels lame.
@@cyberyaya8483what???? ESO is far from dead! It just doesn't have crossplay
I want to love eso with 2000+ hours but playing from Australia is absolute aids and such a slog
This was a very well timed vid for me, thanks man.
Talking about MMO definitely Albion Online is the purest MMO, but most people won't like it because of it's graphics and no class selection just like other MMO, but if we are talking about pvp and pve for MMO game Albion is the real MMO where it feels like the world runs by players and players is basically the system
17 years long Lotro player. First in mounted combat, and best player community in the world
Lotro is GREAT
as an avid LOTRO player the community is by far not the best and not even the best in the MMO genre. FFXIV’s community is definitely the best and most accepting I’ve seen out of all the established MMO’s
Lotro does have 100% best community. FFXIV is more closely to wow community. Lotro has aged beautifully as well. Lotro is prob the most underrated mmo
@@razorz3290 genuinely curious in what way you say FFXIV is close to WoW community wise? FFXIV doesn’t gatekeep content by having achievements like AOTC and isn’t nearly as toxic with people just being gross and bailing out of content after a single wipe. So I’d like to know your experience
Ultima online had mounted combat decades before lotto What ? lol
LotRO is nowhere near the best, not saying it's bad but if it was known for a strong community the game would be doing better than it is.
FFXIV isn't the best either, it's strong but with numbers comes toxic behaviour, it's nowhere near as bad as wow though that community is easily bottom 2 with LoL players.
GW2 would be the best community most welcoming, most helpful, their "mentor" system the mentors actually help new players and you can always find someone to help you clear content and experience the game.
I played wow from release right up to DF beginning then quit, I've played FFXIV and still do regularly and gw2 on and off I've also played LotrO but couldn't get on with it because I was asking for help constantly and was always ignored so gave up
Thank you for listening to my ted talk 😂
I've dabbled in a ton of different MMO's over the years, with the exception of anything that came out in 2020 or 2021, you name it I've played it. The ones I tend to always go back to in a rotation (somewhat random order) are FF14, Destiny 2, GW2, WoW, SWToR, OSRS, and bouncing around to different WoW PServers... usually Project Ascension, sometimes Warmane.
I feel myself being pulled back to FF14 for the expansion, though. You're spot on by saying that the Devs treat their players the best out of any other MMO community, simply from personal experience of playing so many MMO's since basically 2001/2002.
I’m on warmane but am dying for another well populated private server to join
Hey Lucky, Good list. Missed Guild Wars 2 , Janthir Wilds expansion. Launching , August 20th. Going to be the best player housing in any MMO out there currently. Plus land spears . New story , Arena Net doesn't advertise that well . Throne & Liberty combat is garbage. I wanted BDO style . They made some hybridize tab target system. Boring gameplay for me. The large scale PvP matches look okay in T&L . GW2 or ESO , do Realm vs Realm better imho. From the developers of DAOC & Warhammer Online. Thanks for this
You talk so clear, so comprehensive.
I've loved FFXIV since A Realm Reborn. Such a great experience! The community is fantastic, and the Main Story Quests must be experienced. There is always something to do to keep your attention. Whether it's the games at the Gold Saucer, the robust crafting system, doing dailies and weeklies, hanging out with your Free Company mates, building your island sanctuary, decorating your house, or trying to get all the mounts and minions, it definitely pulls you in. There is something for everyone.
I just wished they never changed pvp from how it was in HW. For me FF14 has the best pve and story but pvp is my main enjoyment and when they changed it in SB my brothers and I just stopped playing.
Your review sounds like chatgpt
@@lyricsandasmr3984 It isn't, the pvp change in SB was the reason why I quit
I like FX14 but no one ever talked ! I found it a bit hard to meet people and make friends .
FFXIV is very fun but the story is not good. I tried to follow for the first 50 levels then realized it's not worth it. There is waaaaay too much dialogue so I finally started skipping everything.
Ultima Online still has my heart. No other game has given me the same thrill as UO.. just listening to "Stones" the startup music brings back such nostalgia.. 😢
Woah, lets not got it twisted with us OSRS players. No one begged the developers to reinstate the old version. They forced EOC upon us and as a result we collectivly boycotted the game and signed petitions to have it returned to its earliest format and as a result of that, we now control all and any updates from passing as a community.
Not really accurate. Many people wanted 2011 rs, but they "lied" and claimed they didn't have the files to reinstate to that version, so we got the 2007 instead.
Yeah eoc killed the game so bad man thankgod osrs came back only because they lost so much of their player base tho
and you guys add nothing, game still looks like shit, and is the most barebones game out there.
@@jimmythecrow Most consistent growth out of any other MMO on this list really says otherwise.
@@jimmythecrowyikes dude clearly havent played osrs or other mmos because this is farthest from the truth
Don't forget that WoW playerbase got split a lot, firstly it got split into Classic and Retail + There are a lot of private servers with a lot of players. We can't really tell how big the playerbase is
Question for the comments: Out of all these games listed, or not, which MMO RPG has the least amount of monetization & fair amount of grinding involved? I’m not about to download 5 different MMOs to try if I’m gonna end up wasting my time, effort, and money progressing towards something that won’t bring me a sense of enjoyment as Destiny & Destiny 2 both have in the last decade. Looking forward to the replies!
The one that fits your comment would be new world that only ask you to buy the game once and it's expansions, other similar entries would be GW2, Star Wars and Elder Scrolls but the last has more monetization than the other in the form of a cash shop.
If you are willing to pay a subscription wow and FFXIV are at the top for a reason, they are very accesible and very fun if you like the combat mechanics.
A personal favorite is osrs with only a members subscription you get a sheer amount of quality content, there is a barrier of entry by on the old mechanics but trust me it has a skill ceiling, it doesn't get stale.
Eve and Albion are both grindy and p2w but really that's the appeal since the focus is on the player economy.
But most importantly you want to avoid maple story and lost ark for the gridniness
Maplestory on a reboot server is fine (no p2w just grind) also not very beginner friendly with how much stuff it throws at you
GW2 has a high entry price with how many extensions it has
FFXIV is great and only asks you to play as much as you want the cash shop only has event items and cosmetics (it does have story skip and a boost to lvl but that's only useful if you want to get a second character though the story)
Would give it a try and see if you like it (the trial has no time limit)
TESO is pretty expensive and I personally don't like the gameplay that much
BDO is very p2w (people say it's pay for convenience which in my opinion it's not)
Lost Ark is also extremely p2w
Cool recap!
For future editions my suggestion is to try and show the numbers (like you did for new world and lost ark) even if its just an approximation so we can get a better idea of the rankings (i was particularly interested in the numbers and im sure many people out there are too)
Keep up the good work!
I'm so burnt out on old MMOs. I'll give Throne and Liberty a try and I'm looking forward to Ashes of Creation. Aside from that, I just casually play some single player games these days
Tried the Throne and Liberty beta and the game feels so bad
@@Danka524wild statement. The combat feels and looks great. The default button layout is not ideal, but you can literally change it lol
The graphics look good too. I’m not a huge fan of the game menu and the a lot of elements don’t feel intuitive, but that combat with souls like counters and beautiful graphics and very little lag is amazing.
@@Danka524 I played the Korean version for 8 hours or so a while back. I thought it seemed like quite a polished modern MMO. I didn't have experience with the endgame yet, so I really can't say
@@Gobbldeegoo1 I think they shot themselves in the leg with tab target combat. The graphics look good indeed but I can't really explain exactly what I dislike except for that the combat felt generally bad for me
@@Gobbldeegoo1saying that’s games combat is good is a wild take. Compared to lost ark combat that games like new world level combat lol
Biggest surprise: Good old Wizard101 still on the list! Game is so unique among the other titles and still maintains its difficulty especially in the earlier worlds. Not without its flaws but worth checking out if you don’t mind the turn based card style combat.
Ff14 is very much worth the time and money. Truly and excellent game made by a team that respects its customers and their time. I highly recommend it!
it doesnt respect casuals anymore in dt it did back in ew
@@anteprs7908 sounds like a you problem
@@anteprs7908 To me casual doesn't mean to stand within all AoEs,, don't move and ignore all Boss warnings. Casual means, not to play savage, unreal, but to follow your own leasure way, move a bit slowlier than progress players.
You still can manage all normal dungeons and trials along the story and also the 8ppl Raids, but:
You are forced to observe Boss behaviour and react quicker than before. Your playing errors provoke harsch konsequences to your hp bar.
@@sgoldkuh buddy all that we know and no doing savage make you midcore to hardcor sorry the content you do make you what you are .
"You are forced to observe Boss behaviour and react quicker than before. Your playing errors provoke harsch konsequences to your hp bar "
that fien for all content BUT NOT MSQ DUNGS some content need to be for casual who play as true casual who play to relax and have fun relax the mechanics need to be clear and not annjoying or confusing . their shouldnt be a wipe in a casual msq dung (not expert that fine ) unless YOU F UP A CLEAR MECHANICS . and the lv 97 and 99 dung are annjoying ,confusing and chaotic all around with some bosses and that why casual have been complain. as for normal raids and expert dung you are free to make it as it is they are semi causal content that have a bit of a difficult curve it the line inbtween casual and midcore content but the game NEED PURE CASUAL CONTENT and it ALWAYS WAS THE MSQ dung and the story and right now most casual arnt happy with it but are hoping it change if it doesnt i nthe next 2 expantion you will see ffxiv have it own wow shadowlands phase. we can see clearly the review are mixed and the FACT NON CASUALS ARE ENJOY CASUAL CONTENT WHILE CASUAL ARE ANNOYED BY IT IS CLEAR SIGN YOU FAILED a ton of us loved ew dung difficult it was fine for us and ENJOYABLE now we dont have that and piece by piece we are losing content.
Love the story but it feels like you play on a rail, so uncomfortable.
Guild Wars 2 getting new players late after previous and current expansion which is awesome
isn't lost ark numbers heavily inflated because of the number of bots in that game
Yeah you're correct. I think a lot of the 'player base' that it lost during that 1 month from the population chart sheet was a large ban wave of bots. Regardless the game is amazing, and I mean amazing. The combat is probably the best combat I've ever experienced in all MMO's, but the end game is very grindy, requiring to do many Weekly and Daily activities to gear and account progress, or you can pay to progress which the game tries to encourage you to do. Overall the game from me gets a 7.5/10 and it would be a 9.5 if it wasn't so grindy and didn't encourage pay to win.
It was, but that's why it also decreased a lot, because a massive amount of bots were banned.
20k players most of the time nowdays,i wouldnt say deadge but yeah getting down
Albion online have been promoting so much lately 🤦♂️
This list is based on Google interest trends, not active player count.
Conquer Online, Cabal, Aion, Sword of the New World (Granado Espada), Vindictus, the good ole days…
There's been a resurgance of old MMOs that have come back that I'd like to hear your population stats on: City of Heroes: Homecoming, Everquest 2 Origins, Warhammer Return of Reckoning, Dark Age of Camelot Eden, Vanguard emu
etc. They don't have populations to hit the top 20 or even 50 but still would like to hear about them.
I'll look into them again, thanks!
Is there a decent amount of players on Vanguard emu? I wanted to check that one out, but only if there's people to play with.
@@Sanguivore unfortunately, not yet:( They're still getting it back to 100%. There's things missing like diplomacy rewards and end game content. I've seen about 20 or so players on generally.
@@GeekyGizmo007 Oh, geez. >.< Guess I should hold off on that one til a little further down the line then. Seems like a really fun and interesting game! Do you currently actively play?
@@Sanguivore I don't play it now. I'm also waiting for them to get further along with it and increased population. I played it when it originally released and it was a great game for its time with really neat class mechanics that was executed poorly with really bad optimization and technical issues that caused its early demise.
Lucky Ghost, awesome video you deserve more views
I'm most definitely playing New World when it comes to console in October. Looking forward to learning a new mmo.
new world is so bad sorry to disappoint
New world is the type of game ive been looking for forever except for the style. Free roam, open world, crafting system, FREE dungeons, cosmetics I think, no pay to win, buy to play as it should be, with optional battle pass. Basically everything like WoW but a one time purchase. HOW do more people not play this game?! :(
Exactly. I love the game and just recently started a new chat with the latest big update Aeternum.
No fucking way, anyone is able to play EsO without the sub to acquire that unlimited Crafting bag, It isn't even Negotiable. I don't want to be in my inventory clearing it out, every 15 minutes.
That's why I stopped playing.
Very true, inventory without sub is pain. But is manageable if you create own guild and get 10 ppl in - will unlock 500 slots in guild bank - what is handy.
Game isn't even worth the price either, I got so bored.
It's 100% a necessity. Couldn't agree more. Add on the mount leveling on new alts and the long drawn learning of crafting recipes. There's a reason I never stuck around in the long term.
too bad there is still this 10 year error that never been fixed where it say u need code from a mail but u never get it.... many players cant play the game because of that. I'm surprised it was never addressed
I enjoyed new world more than any MMO I have played. Got a family so stopped playing but what a fun game.
The reason why gw2 is so successful is because of the community, everyone is so friendly and helpful if you are looking for an mmo look no further than gw2
And also, GW2 does not demand $13 / month to just log in. And also, the combat is dramatically more fun than FFXIV (in my 12 years of experience). This being said, I fully support each person declaring their own choice of a favorite MMO. "Most Played" does not mean the best for you. YOU choose what is best for you. GW2 has a free version across a massive game world. AND, when you buy an expansion, don't worry about paying a fee to just log in to play. A monthly fee is the ultimate "Pay to Play" before you can "Play to Win".
the issue i had with guild wars was that the end game didn't really seem to exist. you got to max level quickly and there wasnt an obvious progression beyond that. it was fun the first few weeks that i played it though.
Yes we are!! and so much more not mentioned here.
Glad to see ESO coming back up the ladder it's really a great game. I primarily play WoW TWW, but when I need a break, I always go back to ESO.
Just got back into ESO after trying it before and been loving it a lot lately. Looking forward to playing it after work everyday.
Love the single player aspect of it, just exploring the world and doing good quests, but the dungeons are legit really great. My top part of any MMO is running dungeons and the designs of even the early ones is awesome
Play FF14 for a long time, but i just never could get into the story. It dragged so hard for me, especially in some of the interim sections between expansions. Love everything about that game except the quests
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My favorite personally will always be Black Desert. That game is just incredibly fun and while it’s also very challenging, farming for nodes and mats actually feels rewarding. And the fact that even if you’re not playing, your workers continue to work on your land and gain you XP/materials. It’s a game that really thought of everything in my opinion
Just want to point out a small mistake.. During the MapleStory segment, you state that it has 260million registered members and the only MMO to come close is WoW.. which is not true. Runescape celebrated their 200 million registered accounts... in 2012! It's fair to assume that this number has since increased and is either close to MapleStory's 260M or even higher.
Good video, though!
Im suprised that Lotro was not mentioned, it's player base is very healthy despite not being super popular, and it's still going strong with expansions. Free to play until lvl 100(out of 150) and a super friendly community.
GW2 and OSRS are top tier
Always good seeing you again in my feed
Lets go lol osrs still up here taking names. I love that. I played for the first time in probably 2002 or 03. Back before the osrs 07 look for sure. Had white drop down boxes and was goofy as hell but the first multiplayer game i ever saw.
OSRS did not exist before February 22, 2013.
@raass233 you know what I mean. Before what they now call osrs. Before rs2 even. Back when it looked super dorky.
If you have eve, oblivion, bdo, I think Aurcus should be on there with a few thousand also. I understand it’s not the fan base it was before but the new players are still coming sometimes by the groups. Even new mmorpgs don’t have knockdown or are not auto target. It’s easy to level and action packed.
GW2 deserves all the love it can get. Such a friendly MMO!
oh that pay to win / slave system mmo?
What pay to win system? Playing 7 year and didn't see any pay to win item @@POOHXI-ll2hm
@@POOHXI-ll2hm lol quite the opposite. I think you mistook it for Black Desert
@@leob527 they are the same the different between them is, arenanet never reply about the lag issue, and why russian still able to buy gw2's dlc?
@@POOHXI-ll2hmare you trolling? GW2 has absolutely zero pain to win, quite the opposite. I think you're confusing it with another game.
Ty for including what devices support those games bro! Rwally helps
Great video, something I always say about GW2: if it had used the holy trinity and released with a raid or two, it would have been, and probably still would be, the #1 MMO. It literally has everything else in spades, it just missed out on the hardcore teamwork aspect that most popular MMOs were/are known for.
Why would u need the holy trinity?? That what makes GW2 stand out, Freedom
GW2 has some hardcore teamwork aspect like the challenge mode of fractals, raids and etc, it still need a dedicated supports which is defensive and offensive supports.
@@TheEightDomain you don't "need" a holy trinity to be successful, but the fact is that a very large part of mmo players actually prefer that setup for end game content because it forces players to fulfill a role as part of a team. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to switch roles between fights and such, but once the fight/activity starts, you have a "job to do", so to speak.
Now, GW2 definitely has content that requires a sort of pseudo version of tank, healer, dps (high end fractals, challenge strike missions, raids, etc.) but it's not the same because there is no aggro control. Thus there is no real tank option, it's pretty much just dps and healer/support. Now, that is fun imo, and I do enjoy it, but I could see a much larger crowd enjoying these activities if it followed the traditional holy trinity set-up instead. It would have lured over a very large portion of wow and ff14 players, especially if the core game had Released with these end game activities to begin with.
I love GW2 and play it a good amount, but I just think it would have been, and still would be, the number 1 MMO on the market if it had released with at least one raid and used the holy trinity system, even if just a little bit.
Thank you, the voiceover was very informative but I wished you showed more of the gameplay itself instead of trailers and cut scenes
I'll try and show more gameplay next time, thanks for the feedback!
Cool, i was looking for a video just like this, thank you!
I hope you’ll be making a retail WoW beginners guide at some point! Nobody else is half as thorough as you are.
I love the game Devs care about their players/game, I will start FF today because of this fact.
RS2 was probably my first and longest love in terms of MMOs, especially during middle and high school. Ragnarok Online also, even though I had zero clue what I was doing in it (rip).
Normally i am not commenting on youtube but this time i feel you treated albion very unfair. Its definitly not a pay to win game cause even though you can buy currency with irl money it doesnt make you a good player or let you win every fight cause the game is also skill based and additionally to that yes there is a monthly subsciption which gives you several advantages especially when it comes to leveling but you dont need to spend a single dollar if you dont want to cause you can just buy it with ingame currency aswell. Which leads me to my last point. If you make a comparison like that atleast make it fair. The gameplay you had running in the back was atleast 5 years old since then the game got a lot of changes and improvements in terms of gameplay and graphics. That beeing said still thanks for the informativ video and work you have put in.
He iven give add in albion online material sector, give all video material from like 5 years ago and show only steam numbers buth most players play on orginal luncher
I thought about getting back into Lost Ark because of the combat and dungeons. And Gw2 fluctuates, honestly. We all need breaks from it. But it never completely dies because we never have to play it all the time. I've thought about playing BDO. It is crazy how long Maple Story has been around. Rune Scape is one of those games that has gamers respect due to being around this long.
Final Fantasy 14 is really good. gives the old mmo nostalgia feelings but yet new and more story focused. so those who like singleplayer games but miss the mmo feel this is the one!
ALSO the community is so nice!
The old MMO nostalgia and FFXIV have no business in being in the same phrase unless you are mentioning how far apart they are from each other lol. Don't take me wrong FFXIV is really fking good but older MMO's are not only harder and more challenging but also had global open world PvP and world chat group search for dungeon hunting. Actual ingame economy existed and people were just way more friendly back then. Rivalries were a thing and all of that made it a much better experience.
@@dorayaki5494 Lol sorry if you misunderstood my meaning.
maybe im not an expert but in my youth i played a lot of Perfect World and not long ago i started FF14 and i got similar feeling to that when i played Perfect World back then. kind off.
It's not THAT great
@@dynjarren5454 The community is not that nice. Try telling a healer to dps in a roulette.
I don’t know the Combat is very very slow for me to get into, I tried it in Beta and was turned off and then tried it years later and wasn’t moved. If it was action combat without the timer like old FF then it would be better and more fast paced.
LOTRO has more players then it seems because allot of players dont use steam. Its a game that fans always returns to therefore will always have a stable population, I highly recomend testing it ^^
RuneScape 3 getting the credit for the golden years of 2005-2007. That was literally OSRS. 😂😂.
No. 2005-2007 was Runescape. OSRS did not become a thing until February 22, 2013.
@@raass233 The runescape at that time is pretty much "OSRS" as we know it today. The low graphics and shockwave player etcetc. Before it evolved to RS3 I think in the 2010's or something.
Osrs wasn’t necessarily a thing then it was just plain old RuneScape but 2007-2010 RuneScape/rs3 was the best time before that dumb eoc update
By yalls logic than it’s RuneScape two during that time bc RS3 didn’t exist yet either. That’s osrs the golden years. Y’all just don’t wanna. Admit it. Rs3 launched in July of 2013. By yalls logic, it can’t get any credit for anything before that.
@@TnT_shadow9what are you yapping about, it was rs2
Guild Wars 2 is a great game. It has so much that is very unique and interesting about it, and I love that it wants you to explore as much as fight and quest.
The only thing bad for ffo is the subscription process every time I finish and go and log In I get hit with an account doesn't exist even though I just created it
for final fantasy 14? If so, I've had a similar problem and the solution was that emails are case sensitive and youd need to use the exact same capitals/lowercase letters you used when creating the account.
Wizard101 is truly one of the best MMO’s to exist.
FushionFall would have saved Cartoon Network if they chose to capitalize on it.
I came back to FFXIV 4 months ago after a 6 year quit, and its still amazing. 😁
I love FFXIV. I played a bunch of random MMOs growing up but now in my late 20s, FF’s the first one I’ve truly played on a daily basis for a few years now. I’m a massive story guy so obviously that’s a factor but I also like the sheer variety of content I can pursue, whether it’s raiding, extremes, ultimates, PvP (which is admittedly underbaked), Gold Saucer, crafting/gathering, deep dungeons, glam hunting, etc. I just don’t tire of setting new goals for myself for what I wish to achieve and I respect Yoshi-P, the devs, and Soken. I imagine this is what it felt like to be in love with WoW in the mid 2000s.
the way that FF14 handled dungeon/raid finders i found to be the most compelling. higher levels getting scaled down so that people progressing through the game the first time are able to still get groups and experience the game. i have mentioned that i wanted that in another mmo i played and that community surprisingly reacted very negatively against that, believing that the challenge of finding people and forcing social interaction rather than a finder system was ideal. i doubt many of them have actually played FF14 to have that opinion because i socialized more in FF14 than any other MMO, part of that due to the ease that you could play with other players using the finder system.
New wolrd making top 15 is wild to me. Arnt they down to like 1,000 players online
Ew
He went by google search results and not concurrent online users
Kinda surprised New World keeps hanging on, and that EQ and EQ2 with their TLP, and Origns server respectively didnt manage to over take it. :shrug:
Do you currently play EQ2? :O I just started, but I haven't yet met anyone to play with.
EQ has been doing ban waves the past couple years which has taken out large chunks of the community and then when you are sitting around with a dropoff in players like that it kills the desire to even play yourself. I'm going through this right now on Mischief where the server population took a nose dive from where it was last year and trying to do anything now is too much of a hassle when i could just queue up for an ARAM in league and be playing right away.
the early TLP cycle still maintains a decent number of players, but after I have down it a couple times now its too boring and what I wanted was to see the rest of the game, not play the same first 5 expansions over and over that I already know everything about them.
@@rynejones8513 ya i kinda found this myself with latest tlp. i did get to VP and clear it, but with velious going now, i am just to busy in FFXIV to do it
GW2 is still my favorite from this list.
Used to play a lot of ESO and I miss it dearly. Fantastic game.
Guild Wars 2 is Top Tier.
It has so many underrated quality of life features. Other MMOs require all my time and pHd level knowledge to even begin
Phenomenal Video. Well done Bro.
Why can i report these bot comments for alot of things but not that they are bots? Anyway thanks Lucky
Dood this is EXACYLY what I want to know!
I usually just report them as 'promotes terrorism' 🤷♂️
I can't believe that new world is behind swtor. That game had such potential.
How about LOTRO?? Does anyone play it? It looks kinda good, considering trying it
Its a great game, really underrated
gw2 is the only one holding me in the mmo genre
You did albion online so dirty... thats real fotage form 2007 wtf
Albion online is shit he actually did it a massive praise for the crap it is, plus it's not an MMO so technically shouldn't be on this list atall. It's a standalone sandbox PVP game.
@@baldyshere pls explain how albion is not a mmo game?
tbf albion numbers are inflated, I know some people who runs literally few hundreds accounts (its not against TOS btw)
@@pinkworm5348 what :D on Eve sure but how are you gonna multibox on albion ? have you ever playd the game ?
@@MartasTartas they don't play them all at the same time, they just log on focus and refine. But they do that on hundreds of accounts. So it mostly affect monthly amd weekly numbers
New World always has recurring bugs/exploits that would seemingly be patched one update then comes back the next update. It got so tiring that the Auction House would constantly get disabled because of it too.
"Free to play and 100% pay to win." Most accurate description of Albion Online lol. Is there any great MMOs out there anymore? Hope Corepunk comes out soon.
Every MMO is a "great MMO" to someone. I hope you find one you love. I play every day (retired 74 yrs old). Best of luck to you.
Lol,still so dumb for me to think about the words "PAY TO WIN" like how you call it a pay to win if you still got azz whooped by a player that are not paying,for example me myself payed real money and baught a max tier weapon and armor but still low tier player that is skillfull beat me,Maybe i can only call it "Pay to buy advantage weapon or fancy weapon" not to Win,haha,my point here is playing albion online to win a fight it need your skill in fighting using your set,and to win the game? you need to be good on business how to get a lot of silver by using the economy of the game not your credit card
@@RobGamer1949wow, I want to be like you when I’m 70
Albion is not pay to win lmfao you probably died a few times and you're just salty about it
GW2 is the best, nothing can beat the game's combat mechanics , mount system and build customizations. PVP and World vs world is top tier
So excited for the return of Chris Metzens WoW and the World Soul Saga!
Is this the new expansion in august? I’m so tempted if so. Played through vanilla to mists, haven’t found something which scratches the itch like wow did.
@the1abstrakt for what it's worth, they've made a great deal of QoL improvements, and general game play improvements.
@@the1abstrakt So the World Soul Saga is actually 3 confirmed expansions starting with the newest xpac 'The War Within' releasing this August. After a full xpac cycle (usually 2 major updates with 2 minor updates in between) we will move onto 'Midnight' and lastly 'Last Titan'
What game was in the thumbnail, where they're walking on the bridge?
Idk
Sad to see that LOTRO did not make the list.
It could have been great
Same
Lost ark is like my favorite game in here but sadly it isnt available in india, thats like really sad thing for me, this is the only game i could find in which you can really show off your skills, you cannot just go ahead and spam moves on bosses. Yes there is a pay to win or a hell lot of grind but if you see someone with high gear you know they are good as most of the high quality gear cannot be unlocked without defeating high level bosses and learning a boss fight can literally take you days if you are not heavy grinding the game. I just wish they'd released it here this game was like the perfect game for me, fast paced fights,, requires reflex and quick thinking, need to learn the boss fights, your class really matters and builds too.
eso almost ruined my life i had to quit i was so addicted to it , 9000 hours of my life and loved every minute of it
EvE is amazing. Not very new player friendly, but been playing since 2015.
FFXIV all the waaayyyyy ❤
This was one of the best written and compiled videos covering the current state of MMOs I’ve seen.
Lucky, every time you make this list you describe BDO incorrectly.... and it's a massive shame.
You get 2 facts wrong....
First BDO is NOT a game about grinding monsters... it's a game where you pick one (or multiple) of the available gameplay options and progress. I can say with some degree of confidence that the majority of players spend most of their time in BDO doing something other than grinding mobs. You can be a chef/alchemist/sea captain/horse trainer.... you can just log in to do the social content (PvE or PvP).... and so on. There is content available for all levels of progression and playtime.... grinding mobs is just pretty straight forward... so it's easier to recommend than dungeons, pvp or lifeskills.
and 2ndly ... PvP always on, is technically correct... but it's not in practice, since almost nobody EVER PvPs in the open world, outside of the 3 PvP servers (like channels).
Open World PvP is too punishing ... and the game has a VAST amount of other ORGANIZED PvP avenues, from battlegrounds, to sieges, node wars, 3v3, actuall WARs (300v300), guild leagues... and so on... there is no reason for anyone with a functioning brain to engage in open world PvP... it's that simple!
Thank you 🥲
- A wizard, fisher, sailor and horse trainer.
Tru. BDO has the best life skilling system of any mmorpg to date.
I'm sorry but you have a mistake there imo. FFXI should be on the list. I'm pretty sure it has more players than new world if new world peaks at 4800 players playing same time. FFXI has also probably in general the most expensive subscription on this list lol
Guild Wars 2 is the best MMO I've played. The new expansion that just came out has a lot of cool things. The first of the new zones is great and the overhaul of the warclaw mount is really awesome. As time goes we will see how the new release schedule goes where a small content update is done every three months instead of a huge content update every few years.
I agree