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  • Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
  • Spent the past week playing the Throne & Liberty open beta. There are things I like about the game, but overall, unfortunately, I don't think it's very good. Let's talk about Throne & Liberty.

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  • @ForceGamingYT
    @ForceGamingYT  Месяц назад +77

    Ultimately I'm happy to hear so many people enjoyed Throne & Liberty. As covered in the video, there's plenty of things I think the game does very well and I expect it'll have an audience, whatever the size.
    Bottom line for me is that I didn't enjoy the combat, no matter the settings I tweaked (Skill buffer, snap casting, etc). And if after 30 hours I'm still not digging combat, it's clear the game's not clicking for me.
    I hope everyone has a blast at launch, nothing beats the first week of a new MMO coming out. As mentioned at the end, I think everyone should give the game a shot seeing as it's free. But unless those combat updates dramatically overhaul the fundamentals of combat (and not just add AoE, reduce cast time, change elemental attacks, etc), I suspect I won't play more than a few days.
    We'll see though. GLHF.

    • @nathaliemiasanch2525
      @nathaliemiasanch2525 Месяц назад +9

      The amount of work and love devs are giving to this game is insane. Also, endgame is really good and combat change a lot give a try in global release.

    • @AlleyCatNinja
      @AlleyCatNinja Месяц назад +14

      @ForceGamingYT There it is. The disclaimer comment meant to set up future vids on the game without looking like a hypocrite now that the realization set in that most of the audience didn't agree with your take.

    • @Eurosdown
      @Eurosdown Месяц назад

      For what it's worth, the reception to the changes in the Korean version seems to be pretty positive. Guess we'll see in September.

    • @JEGP1993
      @JEGP1993 Месяц назад

      You're a liar dude, probably you're well paid by a company to say those things. A lot of mistaken data in your video, with tendency to make formulate a negative opinion for no reason. For example, the game is not PvP focused, that's a complete lie.

    • @ForceGamingYT
      @ForceGamingYT  Месяц назад +5

      @@AlleyCatNinjagiven the video is overwhelmingly positive likes, seems most actually do agree.
      But - as I said in the video, I’m certain this game will have an audience of fans. Similar to how I felt about The First Descendant - I can see why people will like the game, it’s just not for me.

  • @LumbOfmyGOD
    @LumbOfmyGOD Месяц назад +649

    For me the problem with modern mmos is that you have to spend too much time in menus clicking things to get pointless rewards to promote their cash shops instead of actually having fun in the game

    • @MixMeister5000
      @MixMeister5000 Месяц назад +18

      Agreeeed!

    • @semmert
      @semmert Месяц назад +35

      welcome to the Asian market.

    • @willo1345
      @willo1345 Месяц назад +22

      Yea, that's why I don't like MMO's from the east. All the menus take you out of the game and it frustrates the hell out of me.

    • @tkraft1442
      @tkraft1442 Месяц назад +7

      Always been like that in asian mmos

    • @aqvamarek5316
      @aqvamarek5316 Месяц назад +10

      Learn to ignore the red dots, until you last 5min of game session, than cklick all at once.

  • @DanxorOldVods
    @DanxorOldVods Месяц назад +200

    I enjoyed this game a ton, super excited. To people watching this, make your own opinion

    • @zaedubbz
      @zaedubbz Месяц назад +17

      Personally, fell in love with the game

    • @truton1060
      @truton1060 Месяц назад +9

      I see what he is saying as a more "normal" MMO player who does not engage with PVP at all. It is just not for me. Also I dislike any pay to win or pay for progression. So it is just not for me.

    • @dougfax
      @dougfax Месяц назад +2

      Enjoying while it still fresh, its what happens with every MMO releases that are bad, and like he mentioned, this will most likely will die in months if nothing is changed for the better

    • @vattghern7592
      @vattghern7592 Месяц назад +14

      youtubers love nothing more than milking negativity.

    • @shadowsage2636
      @shadowsage2636 Месяц назад +24

      @@vattghern7592 Or people have valid criticism for the game and then there are people who just eat whatever slop is put on their plate, then claiming anyone talking down to the game says crap like "their milking negativity" it's attitudes like that why we keep getting bad games.

  • @danielov_style1950
    @danielov_style1950 Месяц назад +584

    Asmongold gonna watch the entirety of this video and reupload it on yt im 100% sure of it

    • @nadger1337
      @nadger1337 Месяц назад +146

      While he nods and repeats things.

    • @KrazyKanzo
      @KrazyKanzo Месяц назад +52

      @@nadger1337man y’all some haters lol.

    • @TragicDestrucTt
      @TragicDestrucTt Месяц назад +79

      @@KrazyKanzohow is what they’re doing hating? I mean they are probably right and im willing to bet on it but that doesnt mean im hating lol.

    • @v-alfred
      @v-alfred Месяц назад +94

      ​@@KrazyKanzonah dude it's facts. That's what Asmon do, his viewers are just mind-numbed/dumbed-down/high. Pick which one.

    • @sambaquero
      @sambaquero Месяц назад +43

      @@KrazyKanzo truth = hating kek

  • @InvisibleSilentStorm
    @InvisibleSilentStorm Месяц назад +190

    Got lvl 50, had a lot of fun! Can't wait till full release.

    • @fedesotilpazzo91
      @fedesotilpazzo91 23 дня назад +1

      are these bots? looks like a bot review game sucks looks like a 2005 game and probably play like a lunch day black desert online like grindy and p2w as hell . just stay away from this crap

    • @InvisibleSilentStorm
      @InvisibleSilentStorm 23 дня назад +5

      @@fedesotilpazzo91 sorry for me the bot triggering you by having positive opinion. I wonder what are you doing here?

    • @NamelessViking01
      @NamelessViking01 9 дней назад +2

      ​@fedesotilpazzo91 oh no someone enjoyed the game but of course you're the MMO god so whatever you say is 100% truth. How could we be so naive

    • @SkepticMinds1
      @SkepticMinds1 4 дня назад

      ​@@InvisibleSilentStorm idk man he thinks your a bot cuase who would play this android iOS junkpile of shat, with 100 different menus n 2001 tab target combat sys along with p2w on top df is wrong with you?...desperate is what it is

    • @InvisibleSilentStorm
      @InvisibleSilentStorm 4 дня назад

      @@SkepticMinds1 never played this game u just mentioned

  • @Reflexion89
    @Reflexion89 Месяц назад +155

    Honestly shocked. I loved the shit out of this game.

    • @ice_bearie3818
      @ice_bearie3818 Месяц назад +5

      Good for you, I really wanted to like the game but it’s just not fun to me

    • @Anthony3187
      @Anthony3187 Месяц назад +23

      A lot of players love it and streamers/RUclipsrs dogging on it.

    • @dougfax
      @dougfax Месяц назад +15

      @@Anthony3187 A lot of players hates it and agrees with streamers/youtubers

    • @JeffKeens
      @JeffKeens Месяц назад +18

      Thats why you shouldn’t listen to content creators and just try games out for yourself.

    • @michaelaine14
      @michaelaine14 Месяц назад +1

      Its bad at endgMe very p2w i played it on kr until epic tier 2

  • @angelaraya9268
    @angelaraya9268 Месяц назад +100

    it feels like a classic mmo but with modern graphics, that's good

    • @unknown-xu1vd
      @unknown-xu1vd Месяц назад +2

      game looks great for what it is! free entry also, can't wait to play!

    • @xabiermorales7781
      @xabiermorales7781 Месяц назад +8

      Prepare ur money, for f2p players is a waste of time

    • @habrumgespielt5417
      @habrumgespielt5417 Месяц назад

      @@xabiermorales7781 have u really collected so little information, that u would say that? The only thing u can buy an advantage is from the auction house (players have to farm for that stuff to sell it there) and its just the early time. The best-in-Slot weapons (Archboss) sold maybe 5-10 times in KR, thats nothing if you look into the Pvp with 1000 Players

    • @abdelrahmanrad
      @abdelrahmanrad Месяц назад

      @@xabiermorales7781 the game is not even p2w anymore as of 2 days ago. they removed traits trading.

    • @Rckstar00
      @Rckstar00 Месяц назад +2

      Theres nothing classic with 53434 types of menus in it imo

  • @byrdfeathers3552
    @byrdfeathers3552 Месяц назад +197

    I actually really enjoyed my time in the game. I got to like level 40 and had fun the whole time. Looking forward to the combat changes. Not sure about the longevity of the game though.

    • @DavidHeich
      @DavidHeich Месяц назад +5

      @@heoar12 absolutely not, game at level 40 is like 10% of the game, and 0.1% of the combat. so everyone saying this is outright lying.

    • @JustxLiving909
      @JustxLiving909 Месяц назад +6

      @@heoar12wrong reply think your talking about the asmondgold comment section

    • @Ren3gade
      @Ren3gade Месяц назад +3

      The graphics are great and it runs so smooth... but I couldn't make it past 2 hours due to how awful the combat and extensive menus are.

    • @DavidHeich
      @DavidHeich Месяц назад +1

      @@Ren3gade every mmorpg combat is awful till you reach a certain point, reaching certain point in other mmorpgs take 40 times longer. again where's the point?

    • @byrdfeathers3552
      @byrdfeathers3552 Месяц назад

      @@JustxLiving909 lmao what did this person say? I think the comment got deleted

  • @Jinny-Wa
    @Jinny-Wa Месяц назад +52

    Fully agree on the performance. I can't believe my eyes that game and MMORPG on top of that made in Unreal 4 runs so well and is buttery smooth even in cities. No shader stuttering at all. Now if only Epic could manage to hire those devs and learn from them

    • @anrucas
      @anrucas Месяц назад

      Is it running on DX11?

  • @onedollarjon
    @onedollarjon Месяц назад +38

    I actually really enjoyed my time with the beta. Everything felt great to me.

    • @game-rlife2571
      @game-rlife2571 Месяц назад +8

      Same with me I honestly can’t wait for the release of the game I wanted to play more of the beta

    • @zonedout3390
      @zonedout3390 Месяц назад

      Play actual good games this one isn't it. Can't wait to give money away and P2W your victory. No wonder the gaming industry is failing at producing quality

    • @BroBdoubleE
      @BroBdoubleE 28 дней назад

      ​@zonedout3390 time or money, not p2w but pay for convenience. Plenty of decent MMOs already do that. Elder scrolls online limits your inventory. Plus if you get a good guild you may never have to pay anything... also the game hasn't came out... how do you know how pay to win it is? Is it elder scrolls online level (mostly inconvenient. ) and annoying or Diablo immortal level where in pvp you don't stand a chance against a whale... (heavy bull shit level of pay to win.)
      I personally think it will be the former not the ladder.

  • @royyoon0118
    @royyoon0118 Месяц назад +73

    I am in love with this game and can’t wait for the global launch in September!

    • @Scout7wc
      @Scout7wc Месяц назад +2

      Same! This game is going to be epic fun!

    • @WayneTwitch
      @WayneTwitch Месяц назад

      You mean when it goes ftp with cash shops ? lawl

    • @royyoon0118
      @royyoon0118 Месяц назад +1

      @@WayneTwitch no

    • @royyoon0118
      @royyoon0118 Месяц назад +1

      @@WayneTwitch never mentioned anything about that so no

    • @WayneTwitch
      @WayneTwitch Месяц назад

      @@royyoon0118 Um yes LAWL

  • @roro-fx6oy
    @roro-fx6oy Месяц назад +47

    looks 10 times better than new world bullshit

    • @darknubent
      @darknubent Месяц назад +3

      New World on release 1000x better than this. Obviously after 2 years not much gas left in the tank

    • @Attilat
      @Attilat Месяц назад +1

      Oh of course it LOOKS better, but more important question is whether it PLAYS better

    • @selasawy
      @selasawy Месяц назад +2

      Not really, New World combat is amazing and the game kept me hooked for the entire levelling portion. Too bad it had no end game content

    • @angelaraya9268
      @angelaraya9268 Месяц назад +4

      new world is very bad lol, the only decent thing is the combat

    • @shinvolcano
      @shinvolcano Месяц назад +4

      To be fair anything looks better than new world, that game was trash, favored by divorced dads who have low self respect.

  • @TheSupanovaX
    @TheSupanovaX Месяц назад +39

    Man this was a breath of fresh air. I had so much fun. Never once was I bored throughout the beta. The smoothness and visual quality of the world was fantastic.

  • @ForceGamingYT
    @ForceGamingYT  Месяц назад +117

    I like Throne and Liberty more than Bless Online, but less than New World. That about sums it up, for anyone curious.

    • @cosasrandom2272
      @cosasrandom2272 Месяц назад +4

      sarcasm??? xD.

    • @isometimesplaytw
      @isometimesplaytw Месяц назад +5

      Now I know you can see the POTENTIAL that Corepunk has compared to this generic Korean spam fest we see regurgitated onto the west every few years

    • @tayalt2406
      @tayalt2406 Месяц назад +11

      new world sucks so much lol shit bugged game with no end game

    • @ozzy758
      @ozzy758 Месяц назад +9

      I love your stuff force but you’ve shilled some utter poop in the past .

    • @XxWolfxWaRioRxX
      @XxWolfxWaRioRxX Месяц назад +5

      I agree with targeting being rough but the combat flow is fine once you get used to it, I've done the hardest solo content in the beta (all the secret dungeons) and all the hardest Co op dungeons for example

  • @GamingLife-vf9oc
    @GamingLife-vf9oc Месяц назад +15

    Glad to see a lot of people like the game I thought I was alone can’t wait for it to drop

  • @ItsDopeScope
    @ItsDopeScope Месяц назад +54

    I’ve played mmo for years with far less responsive skill use and way worse combat then throne and liberty. A lot of us have as well. The optimization, graphics, dungeons, item and skill tailoring are top notch in this game. This was by only beta ever where I had literally zero issues. Oh and I almost forgot open world pvp, siege, and guild pvp/pve content. The combat will get better with time and patches. I had a total blast playing with the guild I joined and doing pvp.

    • @Tsukiiyo7
      @Tsukiiyo7 Месяц назад

      Don't forget the game has been out for months in korea already, I wouldn't compare it to other betas. They've had plenty of time to iron out any performance issues.

    • @ronelz999
      @ronelz999 Месяц назад +9

      P2W and PVP game what could go wrong. Theres a reason why this failed in SK.

    • @ItsDopeScope
      @ItsDopeScope Месяц назад +2

      @@ronelz999 Oh I agree there is a huge potential to fail if they make wrong decisions. My main concern is Lucent being used as auction house currency which can be bought with real money. If they go with this the game will be dead in a few months which would be a shame.

    • @wowfoelifewarcrack3297
      @wowfoelifewarcrack3297 Месяц назад +2

      I agree this game ran great an blew me away how good it is I couldn't believe how many players on screen at once stunning game 09/12 let's go❤

    • @VaracolacidVesci
      @VaracolacidVesci Месяц назад +3

      This game wont last hyped for more than a vouple of months. F2p players will be sick of being kicked off their asses and quit. P2w players will try to make their spending last but will have noone to fight against.

  • @jellomoose
    @jellomoose Месяц назад +6

    It is interesting watching this right after watching Kanon's video where he went over thew new skill system stuff that is coming - it seems like a lot of that will emphasize or even reward moving in combat.

  • @Stickb0y87
    @Stickb0y87 Месяц назад +75

    I had alot of fun with it.

  • @uhhhpvp4691
    @uhhhpvp4691 Месяц назад +31

    I enjoyed it. The combat grows on you after a bit

    • @zonedout3390
      @zonedout3390 Месяц назад +1

      Play better games the combat is ass

    • @uhhhpvp4691
      @uhhhpvp4691 Месяц назад +3

      @@zonedout3390 I have been playing MMOs since 1998 and have prob played about every MMO out there. You are allowed your opinion but to me you're mistaken.
      The combat is far smoother than any MMO that has recently come out. Once you get the combos and a rotation the combat is actually fun.
      The spells also looked great and were not over-whelming the whole screen creating pointless spam on the screen.
      Even the boss fights were fun and I'm not a PVER I'm a PVPER.

  • @DavideMoriello
    @DavideMoriello Месяц назад +20

    It's 10 years I'm waiting a mmorpg like this, it's the first time I'm so excited to play a new mmorpg. During beta I played it a lot and was a wonderful experience.
    Let the tab targeting combat go, we don't need action combat. This is good! I want to target my target and heal them all!

    • @real_ez8412
      @real_ez8412 Месяц назад

      Like force mentioned the issue is combat distance and I noticed it immediately. You step back like a foot and your character will stop attacking and turn it's body instead of side stepping it feels so bad.
      Also when using bow same thing you get out of combat range and instead of side stepping it just walks you sideways it feels wonky af like everything wants to work as stationary only.

    • @tayalt2406
      @tayalt2406 Месяц назад

      @@real_ez8412 you can change that in the settings

    • @DavideMoriello
      @DavideMoriello Месяц назад

      @@real_ez8412 go in the settings and activate auto walk in combat range.
      This is a no issue

  • @johngone1nonly
    @johngone1nonly Месяц назад +34

    Man i really enjoyed the beta. Free to play so ill def play it a bit. End game is where the real answers lie

  • @jeffreyfahie1502
    @jeffreyfahie1502 Месяц назад +8

    I haven't played a game this much in ages. I couldnt believe my eyes when i finished a 13hr session on Tuesday. It was beyond fun. Im not entirely sure where the negativity is stemming from. No game is perfect but TL is definitely good. And only getting better.

    • @handles_are_idiotic
      @handles_are_idiotic Месяц назад

      It's coming from people being scared of the game being virtually dead in KR, and expecting the worst.
      pay 2 progress absolutely obliterates pvp focused games and makes guilds unify based on which spends the most, which causes everyone to form an alliance and suddently new players/guilds can't compete.

  • @gainward2
    @gainward2 Месяц назад +5

    My problem with modern MMO's is that they are all currency chasing games. "Collect these items, that turn into a currency, that you spend to unlock this thing, that will allow you to fill this gauage, by doing this daily, that Time-Gates you from fun content that you want to do, because you have to upgrade your thing, with these items that drop from the thing that's been gated, because playing what is fun is only allowed once or twice per day, so that you play more, but you don't want to play more now, because you feel that it's a job, because if you miss a day you feel behind, and if you can upgrade your gear with materials you get from the dungeon you did or the content you ran, and it fails, you have to do it all over again, by collecting the currency, to get the thing, to fill the gauge, to do the daily quest, that is time-gated, because you have to upgrade your thing, that can potentially fail, and if it fails you are back to scratch.......
    .... Unless. You spend real money in our cash shop, in which case, you can..."
    No, Pass.
    "But we need the time gate so you don't run out of content"
    If playing what is fun, in an MMO is considered bad because you 'run out of content' then the content in the MMo is bare bones, and not worth doing in the first place. Let me spend my time the way i want. Thrones and liberty is a perfect example of this,. There's a reason why korea thought it was bad.

  • @DeltaSniperZRR
    @DeltaSniperZRR Месяц назад +2

    Finally a real 'next-gen' MMORPG, the graphics are insane and it runs very smooth. I can't understand how some people call this a mobile phone game. Def will play this in September.

    • @handles_are_idiotic
      @handles_are_idiotic Месяц назад

      They call it a mobile game because of the obvious "hold the mouse on the screen for x" obvious cop out from tapping the screen, the insane amount of menus, daily rewards and time gates akin to something like Epic seven, the crazy p2w which the west has almost entirely conflated with phone games as well as character designs having the potential to look straight out of league of angels art.
      It's not a fair comparisson by any means, but you can def see why it's being done lmao

  • @bramador808
    @bramador808 Месяц назад +3

    I think that the game starts slow, but it gets really good when you get more abilities. What I’m impressed about is the quality of the servers not going down with all the people in one place, really smooth and fun for the world bosses and pvp

  • @GatsuLT
    @GatsuLT Месяц назад +7

    I don't agree. Loved the beta and the game. Can't wait for launch.

  • @buiahhh
    @buiahhh Месяц назад +13

    In the recent years, there hasnt been any new MMOs that give us anything interesting, unfortunately... I'm not saying that this one will blow your mind, but I had the opposite experience you did. I went in with little expectation and ended up playing non-stop and getting a KR account waiting for the Global release!

  • @slainetroyard9004
    @slainetroyard9004 Месяц назад +13

    I had a lot of fun.

  • @gunnynui6265
    @gunnynui6265 Месяц назад +13

    Game was fun and a breath of fresh air for large scale pvpers.

  • @budrothefox3666
    @budrothefox3666 Месяц назад +1

    i really enjoyed the spirit guardian quest and the corresponding mechanic. i dont wanna spoil anything but it was awesome.
    the character customization is amazing as well

  • @sejuneoh8605
    @sejuneoh8605 Месяц назад +19

    Game is getting better and better.

    • @WayneTwitch
      @WayneTwitch Месяц назад +3

      lawl

    • @BadKarma.-
      @BadKarma.- Месяц назад

      The beta was last week, it doesn't have much time to get better lmao

  • @aqvamarek5316
    @aqvamarek5316 Месяц назад +11

    Guild is must have, even "Raid bosses are linked to your guild and the progress of the guild". There are the open world bosses, which are PVP or PVE, and there are Guild only bosses, which can be done on a weekly basis.

  • @dawidduda7298
    @dawidduda7298 Месяц назад +10

    I really enjoyed the beta. Graphics looks really good well optimazed, gameplay was just like in MMO. Combat wasn't bad could put more skills on L2 instead of menu thing ( played on console). Definitely will go back in September.

  • @CloudSea_Pirate
    @CloudSea_Pirate Месяц назад +30

    The beta was extremely impressive from my perspective. Feels like a better version of Guildwars 2 with elements of FF14 and DAOC. Its been interesting to see so many KOLs rolling out videos wildly discordant with my experience.
    The GW2 launch received similarly mixed sentiment.

    • @frankvermillon9576
      @frankvermillon9576 Месяц назад +1

      Daoc was the goat for pvp

    • @abdelrahmanrad
      @abdelrahmanrad Месяц назад +1

      This. 100% agree.

    • @jacksheldon8566
      @jacksheldon8566 Месяц назад

      In what way is it better than GW2?

    • @mactassio21
      @mactassio21 Месяц назад +2

      Lmao. Mark my words. This person won't be playing the game past the 1st week

    • @CloudSea_Pirate
      @CloudSea_Pirate Месяц назад

      @jacksheldon8566 Combat, buildcraft, content (better dungeons, open world dungeons, PvP just as good), visuals and even the story. Basically feels like an all around upgrade and Guildwars 2 is a great game so I mean this as high praise.

  • @ZZZXYZ
    @ZZZXYZ Месяц назад +4

    I found this odd, all the news on end game made it sound like they were doing something exciting.

    • @zonedout3390
      @zonedout3390 Месяц назад +1

      Play FF14 for real end game content this one is garbage because it's P2W

    • @tehkonijn3058
      @tehkonijn3058 Месяц назад

      Don't trust news, play it yourself and form your own opinion. Your style/enjoyment may differ. Personally, I was very underwhelmed. The game looks nice, combat is decent, but the game is very hollow. Limiting dungeons to 2/day unless you buy (from cash shop) extra tickets is really bad

  • @igrilledhnc
    @igrilledhnc Месяц назад +5

    I think a lot of people forget what this game was supposed to be. You couldn't move when attacking and just clicking auto would allow you to walk away while your character still attacked enemies. I get that not everyone is going to be head over heels in love with it but at least give them a chance. The devs have already talked about how there isn't much PVE content in game and they are already working on expanding on this (which imo is huge because this is a PVP focused game).

    • @zonedout3390
      @zonedout3390 Месяц назад

      I haven't forgotten and I refuse to support it. Zebra don't change it's stripes now do they? Anyone who supports this game gets what they got which is debt from a P2W game.

  • @strazce2389
    @strazce2389 Месяц назад +6

    Try out the Kr version with the new system and combat changes feels smoother and more engaging. I do feel though for them to survive PVE is a must in this day and age especially if the story and expansions are interesting

  • @ashleynv
    @ashleynv Месяц назад +6

    I liked it enough compared to anything available right now that is newer and for a free game, I hope to at least complete the main storyline 😊😊

    • @cosasrandom2272
      @cosasrandom2272 Месяц назад

      yo quería que tuviera lore, lastima no veo una historia que me llene aquí, y el combate me echo para atrás.

    • @ashleynv
      @ashleynv Месяц назад +3

      @@cosasrandom2272 sad for you, but for me i enjoyed enough so I look forward to playing : )

    • @angelaraya9268
      @angelaraya9268 Месяц назад

      why are you hablando in two different idiomas?

    • @ashleynv
      @ashleynv Месяц назад +2

      @@angelaraya9268 lol why not! Haha!

    • @cosasrandom2272
      @cosasrandom2272 Месяц назад +1

      @@ashleynv LOL ni triste ni feliz, hay mas juegos , ahi lo dejo. Pero ante todo me alegro que puedas divertirte.

  • @thebandithing95
    @thebandithing95 Месяц назад +11

    Yeah i can see all the problems you listed, but somehow i've had a great time with the beta. I'm also excited about the new stuff they showed lately. Maybe it will die for me in 1-2 months, but that will be fun so who cares, maybe i will be sad in 5 years cause i can't check back cause the game will be fully dead already. Nevermind, my expectations were low, but i've had a great time.

  • @Garlock099
    @Garlock099 Месяц назад +8

    Thank you, sir, for your honest thoughts. Couldn't have said it better myself.

  • @tomvandenbos3913
    @tomvandenbos3913 Месяц назад +3

    I understand people keep mentioning that this game is pvp focussed. What i dont get is why few people talk about the fact that the developers said their goal is to eventually bring as much PVE content to the table as PVP. They also announced 12 man raids coming in january which I think is really promising overall.

  • @mtkkk
    @mtkkk Месяц назад +2

    So glad to read the comments and see many people actually tried the game and loved it. I am also surprised a few people hated the combat so much

  • @helljumper_
    @helljumper_ Месяц назад +9

    My main issue is how on rails it feels. They may have removed the autoplay but they cant remove the mobile game port feel.

    • @Pixiwish
      @Pixiwish Месяц назад

      100% this felt very mobile game.

  • @TzionBarlev
    @TzionBarlev Месяц назад +3

    there are a ton of things in Throne and Liberty that you LEARN over time the game opens up to new things. no way you can experience it all in a 4 day game play.

  • @dukiino739
    @dukiino739 Месяц назад +4

    here before asmonbald steals the video

  • @Purdy88
    @Purdy88 Месяц назад

    What we need is Force jumping in and helping dev's create MMO's. His views and opinions are strong with this genre and true! Having Force helping dev's would I think, make the perfect MMO. True words go far and I share pretty much everything he feels about the genre.

  • @comeonthegreens
    @comeonthegreens Месяц назад +7

    Completely disagree, loved OB, now excited for release!

  • @MASTERVAVI
    @MASTERVAVI Месяц назад +3

    For a game that came in December of last year and already implementing a massive combat change is crazy. The game as a lot potential

  • @jr6366
    @jr6366 Месяц назад +11

    Like Rev this game is for the devs to hunt whales mostly. I wouldn't expect a long shelf life on it.

    • @lathamtk
      @lathamtk Месяц назад +2

      and its Korean, it WILL turn into a pay-to-win, PvP-fest very soon after release.

    • @angryralphs2516
      @angryralphs2516 16 дней назад

      ​@lathamtk I don't think it will happen. I think they will copy the likes of genshin.

    • @kaanarmutcu6740
      @kaanarmutcu6740 12 дней назад

      black desert is still alive and kicking

  • @BobbyShau
    @BobbyShau Месяц назад +1

    Beta was awesome bro, I enjoyed the game a lot. Don't have a problem with the combat, I like it, and tap targeting is my thing also.

  • @HellsTz
    @HellsTz Месяц назад +12

    Idk the hate but I had so much fun

  • @maritzsa
    @maritzsa Месяц назад +1

    i really enjoyed my time in the beta, it had all the fundamental things i was looking for, and felt like an average mmo with a cool mount system and great graphics, and imo fun combat.

  • @FllickerOnnekas
    @FllickerOnnekas Месяц назад +6

    as someone who really enjoyed this beta and am planning to waste allot of time in the game on release, i still totally agree on your points here. Im really hoping they add some much needed solo content for this game sooner rather then later lol

  • @masterbronumasterbronu795
    @masterbronumasterbronu795 Месяц назад +1

    Honestly really liked it when I tried it on a whim on KR servers.. then really liked it during open beta.. so I think for me it’s safe to say that I’ll enjoy it on full global release. Especially with skill expressions being available by that time, which people are saying it’s a great improvement!

  • @JordanIdk
    @JordanIdk Месяц назад +10

    P2W + PvP focused should be enough for everyone to skip this one immediately. P2W in PvE is annoying, P2W in PvP is completely unacceptable.

  • @Nekonix36
    @Nekonix36 Месяц назад +1

    I had a blast with it and 99% of the comments I've read are along the lines of "I don't understand the hate towards this, I had fun".

  • @redriverlures
    @redriverlures Месяц назад +8

    I liked beta. I will play it for sure

  • @augustinop8584
    @augustinop8584 Месяц назад +1

    If they add all the new updates they are doing with the KR version right now to the global release in September - then it will be worlds different and improved. During open beta, if you look at at the world map we were only gated to about 1/3 of the world. Kanon (YT streamer) explains it well.

  • @Complication84
    @Complication84 Месяц назад +7

    The fact that you have to buy their cash shop currency to buy items from the in game Auction House is fucking insane. Korean mmo's are all p2w, but I think this one takes the cake.

    • @mathiasbrone3609
      @mathiasbrone3609 Месяц назад

      You get cash shop currency by selling items on the AH though.

    • @AlleyCatNinja
      @AlleyCatNinja Месяц назад +1

      The 20+ year long running WESTERN mmo named Eve Online would like to have a word with you child.

    • @Stalkercat
      @Stalkercat Месяц назад

      You don't have to buy the currency to get the currency. You can get it by selling food made from fishing and selling items aquired through various means in the game. Everything in the AH is listed for sale by players, similar AH to BDO

    • @zonedout3390
      @zonedout3390 Месяц назад +1

      Play FF14 it's best in the genre for MMOs. Nobody going to be playing this garbage in a month, it's DOA

  • @Nintendofame
    @Nintendofame Месяц назад

    Stay up dude, good footage as always thanks for letting me use it and who wouldn't enjoy turning into a dolphin.

  • @karma5140
    @karma5140 Месяц назад +4

    Feel like you just went into the game with a already negative view and not biased at all. Like really? Whats not to love the game looks amazing and feels great theres plenty of different play styles to do and you got the combat. I dont understand why people always try to put down the fun and good stuff and hype up the bad.

  • @aesshiro3474
    @aesshiro3474 Месяц назад +2

    The thing about their combat is that it was designed with autoplay before it was released in Korea. They had a massive pushback when the players complained to which they changed to remove it, but you can still feel the traces of auto-combat being there.
    Now they changed the combat to be more aligned with the initially advertised action tab-targeted combat.
    This is coming from a player that is currently playing via the Purple Launcher of NCSoft.
    I'd recommend for players to actually give it a shot and form their opinion once the game releases in the west.

  • @Clust3rFunk1
    @Clust3rFunk1 Месяц назад +8

    Most fun I’ve had in an mmo since playing wow: wotlk I really don’t understand the hate

    • @elithurofficial
      @elithurofficial Месяц назад +1

      Not everything has to be hate. There's likes and dislikes.

    • @Clust3rFunk1
      @Clust3rFunk1 Месяц назад

      @@elithurofficial for sure, there has certainly been allot of hate though. i guess hate is a strong word haha

    • @zsoca921
      @zsoca921 Месяц назад

      @@Clust3rFunk1 If someone speak about negative things that doesnt mean its a hate....So yes, hate is a strong word.

  • @TheGaryduff
    @TheGaryduff Месяц назад +2

    I liked the game. The graphics are very nice, the combat is good after i disable the auto movements. I imagine myself playing more of it

  • @gamingtemplar9893
    @gamingtemplar9893 Месяц назад +6

    It is amazing how you ignore FOMO, bad boss mechanics and all the modern mmorpg problems while attacking the tab target system and movement which is objectively better than any other modern mmorpg, besides your subjective feelings. Same as many descriptions that are just not true like the map size, the game being pvp focused, not have pve and more.
    What are you doing here? everything you say and promote is what most modern mmorpgs do, beside monetization. IS this to defend WoW or any other particular game or why? hard to understand really.

  • @Muvinski
    @Muvinski Месяц назад +1

    Nobody's forcing you? I thought it was your thing. You know... Cause it's in your name.

  • @Casual_BackPacking
    @Casual_BackPacking Месяц назад +11

    I am forsure going to play it

  • @jh_box
    @jh_box Месяц назад +1

    @14:39 This game was initially developed as a mobile phone game with auto features such as quest guide, mob killing for EXP grind, etc. NCsoft removed most those auto features very close to their official release date.

  • @clidefrog2
    @clidefrog2 Месяц назад +3

    You're playing this game wrong. Its updated Lineage 2 and im here for it. Get a group, and farm hard. Get gear and win olympiad/castles

  • @serwizzart
    @serwizzart Месяц назад +1

    Our guild is already playing on KR, can't wait to play the global

  • @reportimortal
    @reportimortal Месяц назад +8

    The problem with TL's combat that no one succeed to realize is that an action is determined as soon as the button is pressed and not when the projectile or weapon hit the target.
    That's what makes you feel the combat weird.

    • @wesleycolon2675
      @wesleycolon2675 Месяц назад

      So you mean locked-in animation combat

    • @tayalt2406
      @tayalt2406 Месяц назад +1

      huh? never played MMO before? wtf

    • @reportimortal
      @reportimortal Месяц назад

      @@wesleycolon2675 no, not at all.
      The damage is determined within the button press, regardless the animation. It's like there's no hitbox. The whole interaction is the hitbox. It's a information (damage) coming out from something to another thing regardless anything else.

    • @reportimortal
      @reportimortal Месяц назад

      ​@@tayalt2406 I've played most MMOs that existed since Tibia including korean and chinese ones, just so you know, smartpants.
      The "huh?" says it all. You clearly don't know the difference. Next time don't try to be smart like that.

  • @dungeonsdudesdragons
    @dungeonsdudesdragons Месяц назад

    Found myself liking it way more than I thought. Had that excitement the next morning. Cool attack effects, nice mindless enemy killing, curious what the endgame has to offer. That'll be the big decider for me.

  • @burnedraventales6030
    @burnedraventales6030 Месяц назад +8

    saw this coming a mile away, people are just so desperate for a new mmo they will convince themselves anything new will be great

  • @VermilionRey
    @VermilionRey 25 дней назад

    As a Korean, I'm really sorry that you made me play this kind of game.

  • @angelaraya9268
    @angelaraya9268 Месяц назад +10

    i played it and was very fun tbh

  • @ogfullmelt
    @ogfullmelt Месяц назад +2

    Played heavily. Did all the stoey clan activity with pvp action. I loved it.
    Gave me the feeling that lineage 2 gave me back then.
    Am dropping alal games ans will play this only. Ready for pvp. And clan vs clan drama and stuff

  • @ceazer5963
    @ceazer5963 Месяц назад +9

    After this review im 100% playing it cause everything you said is bull sh*t

  • @SiliconSlyWolf
    @SiliconSlyWolf Месяц назад +1

    I honestly never understood most of these guild based PvP games, considering most players want to play exclusively to win, especially as that's how you get most rewards faster or at all, and then it's objectively best to dog pile all onto the one wining side, at least until it's so lopsided you kill off the entire point of the game. It's the most literal example of optimizing the fun out of the game.

  • @imBaelfire5217
    @imBaelfire5217 Месяц назад +15

    Dunno mate, i trusted you and your critisism towards Wayfinder last year, missleading me to waste my money.
    This time i respect the effort but, since its free, i'll just try it out and figure this out by myself while keeping an open mind.
    In addition you forgot to mention that the "p2w" is very similar to wow and wow tokens.
    Every mmo is p2w these days, unfortunatelly.

    • @kawaiiqtful
      @kawaiiqtful Месяц назад

      I am enjoying the most recent offline Wayfinder patch. The game itself is fun, the issues behind the scenes not so much. Mind you, I also play shit like Monster Hunter Rise as opposed to World.

    • @DarkRohan_
      @DarkRohan_ Месяц назад

      with the difference the market is like warframe, you can earn premium money just playing, g ram mmorpg with an amazing optimization

    • @BadKarma.-
      @BadKarma.- Месяц назад

      Having to pay to do more than 2 dungeons a day is wild.....Glad I'm still playin ESO and not grasping at straws to like some of these new MMOs, no p2w and smooth combat

    • @DarkRohan_
      @DarkRohan_ Месяц назад

      @@BadKarma.- "no p2w and smooth combat" wooow "smooth combat" for a fkn rock, you really think that shitty combat is "smooth" sh111111t... nooo no p2w at all, no progression bonus, no exp bonus, no gold bonus no double currency cap, no double bank space, no double furnishing, no nothing, yeah, thats p2w, we arent in 2005 where you can buy accesories with 30% more atributes than you can only get paying, we are in 2024 and yes is p2w as every mmorpg that exist because yes, free mmorpg cant exist thanks to photosynthesis fknstpd
      Keep playing ESO because you cant run TL or because you are a mediocre conformist xd

  • @xBraezorHD
    @xBraezorHD Месяц назад +1

    I have and had a lot of fun with the game, keep in mind that there is also "hardcore" PvE coming since mutation-like dungeons are already happening in korea atm

  • @yelloeplague
    @yelloeplague Месяц назад +5

    Possible hot take. My favorite action combat mmo is wildstar

    • @zonedout3390
      @zonedout3390 Месяц назад

      I never got to play it but I do want to point out the game is dead and the servers are offline. Good ideas just poorly executed

  • @MartinT
    @MartinT Месяц назад +1

    I'm still gunna play this when it comes out, I only have a console so this actually looks like being one of the better MMO options available on console. I like that this is still a balanced review by Force and I'm hoping this game evolves over time with more content

  • @chadofwar6554
    @chadofwar6554 Месяц назад +12

    Its not perfect but i had fun with it in 70hrs. price per hour i will get a couple hundred hours im sure so its worth my time until something better comes

  • @CrinklesContent
    @CrinklesContent Месяц назад

    I was little on the fence at first but man that game had me hooked looking forward to the full release

  • @NastyGenV
    @NastyGenV Месяц назад +3

    This game was thoroughly enjoyable to me. Sorry you didn't enjoy it but it's a long 2 month wait for me. So one issue i found with combat is a certain option thats not on by default and its called skill buffer it makes the skills so much more reactive and makes everything thing smoother it adds a que system to the skills. I was in the general chat in game spamming to people to turn this on and got so many thank you tells telling me how much better the game felt after. Theres also a press and release option which helps a ton for aimed style skills. Hopefully the skill expressions help people get into it more. I agree with the mob density the placement just wasnt good and wish the mobs had to face you in order to aggro as well i gave feedback to this on the survey. As for it not being a solo mmo idk i enjoy solo but im not mad i have to join a guild and do stuff with other people to advance further just find your group to play with and keep it pushin not that big a deal.

    • @NastyGenV
      @NastyGenV Месяц назад +2

      One thing to note too is the music is wonderful I have never not turned down music in a game before but just chilling in town or whatever with the music was a cool vibe.

    • @wowfoelifewarcrack3297
      @wowfoelifewarcrack3297 Месяц назад

      ​@@NastyGenVgreat game great music❤09/12

  • @FeelMyBicepp
    @FeelMyBicepp Месяц назад +2

    Looks like better content than new world😅

  • @babajaga3386
    @babajaga3386 Месяц назад +3

    On consoles what are you be preferred to play? Throne or New World ?

    • @ondrejsamek6856
      @ondrejsamek6856 Месяц назад

      Wow, interesting question since Im in beta test on ps5 where, I do have a fun but game seems not optimized on the console , the gameplay is not smooth but I still do have a ton of fun

    • @VioletBreed
      @VioletBreed Месяц назад

      Throne felt better

    • @zonedout3390
      @zonedout3390 Месяц назад +1

      Niether they both blow dog water, FF14 is great tho

    • @BadKarma.-
      @BadKarma.- Месяц назад

      ESO or FF

    • @babajaga3386
      @babajaga3386 Месяц назад

      @@BadKarma.- both its old and shit xd

  • @copordrop
    @copordrop Месяц назад +1

    most people seem to really love the game it seems

  • @kendallpayne9823
    @kendallpayne9823 Месяц назад +7

    Brother I love your reviews. But you got this one wrong. Throne and Liberty is far from perfect but the core gameplay was extremely fun especially if you enjoy pvp. I dnt blame you for forming this analysis tho, it definitely has some clunkyness to the combat for sure but adjusting your settings can help a bit. Doesn’t solve the problem but can help. If you want large scale fun with loads of friends you will love throne and liberty. If you want solo loner pve content like my guy here you won’t like it.

  • @akumav3160
    @akumav3160 Месяц назад +1

    I had a blast in beta. Can't wait to play the game once again and again

  • @Dcully
    @Dcully Месяц назад +10

    I kind of liked it, combat needs some work but i will play when released.
    Ive since discovered tarisland and the combat in that is much better.

    • @zonedout3390
      @zonedout3390 Месяц назад

      You do realize it's Chinese made right? Like your computer probably got viruses that are stealing your info lol

  •  Месяц назад

    Sad that Force give a review to a game without checking Raids, Guild content, Challenges. Different difficult new dungeons, New combat and skills. This is a real mmorpg period.

  • @Bboss83
    @Bboss83 Месяц назад +3

    i love this game

  • @Paolini_18
    @Paolini_18 Месяц назад +1

    The only thing that matters how well done the endgame daily/weekly loop is done.
    Lost Ark was fun for a few months but the harder the raids went the more frustrating the loop became.
    No one really cares about p2w.

  • @leebu531
    @leebu531 Месяц назад +4

    Only got time to play half hour but what did play I enjoyed I'll be giving a go in september

  • @Reelix
    @Reelix Месяц назад

    Dare I compare combat to WoW as you pointed out you shouldn't ;D
    Scenario: You are a hunter - A mob comes into melee range. You use Raptor Strike.
    You sit there for multiple seconds, and the skill goes off.
    Now - Compare that to 0.5 seconds of delay something like this has.
    Is it delayed? Yes. Is it SIGNIFICANTLY better than other worse options? Very much so.

  • @GGGXhere
    @GGGXhere Месяц назад +4

    They just released a massive update 2 days ago that changes everything. NCSoft is listening to the players and working on it so i have hope for this game.

  • @c1pherx
    @c1pherx Месяц назад +1

    People like it.... It is great for what you pay for it.

  • @shira2151
    @shira2151 Месяц назад +6

    Game was amazing. So tired of people who don't like the game crying. Don't play it

    • @Mystrasun
      @Mystrasun Месяц назад +1

      People are allowed to talk about why they don't like something. It helps to make games better. I'll use your own logic. If you don't like videos talking about not liking games you play, don't watch them.

    • @shira2151
      @shira2151 6 дней назад

      ​@@Mystrasunno it doesn't. All the hate is propaganda and doesn't critique the game itself. Only thing they whine about is P2W trying to force that argument on us for every game. Developers take most of their feedback from their actual feedback

    • @Mystrasun
      @Mystrasun 6 дней назад

      @@shira2151 hard disagree. Dismissing people's criticism of the game as propaganda is absurd. I'll concede that many people hate the game unreasonably, but dismissing everything that way is just being a blind fanatic. People are allowed to not like this game and to voice their reasons for doing so, and it absolutely does have P2Win mechanics that are anti consumer. People speaking about that criticism is the only way games can improve. Otherwise publishers can and will exploit you for every penny they can get out of you. If you like Throne and Liberty, more power to you. But you don't get to dictate how other people speak about the game just because you like it.

  • @TzionBarlev
    @TzionBarlev Месяц назад +2

    Throne and Liberty is the best game i've played in DECADES, literally. It is giving Veteran MMORPG gamers that game they want to play. I haven't felt like this since SW Galaxies.