When "Mashing" Becomes a Strategy...
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To tell you the truth its not really a block string if it has a gap its best to call it a frame trap
I do this term alot though. An thanks for the name i never had a term for it
"You're never minus if you're just not a bitch." ~Lythero
Beat me to it, lmao
I was just about to comment this you motherfu-
Straight up facts
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“Abare” I will forever call this mashing
Tactical mashing? Mashing when you know it will win?
@@thanatosignis5702 yeah that works
mashing but with attitude
@@_vnfr Seems more like mashing with accuracy
abare is basically japanese for mashing. people just use it as a term for 'strategic mashing' because it sound more 'sophisticated'
on can mash mindlessly or strategically, but because of connotation people prefer to call one mashing and the other abare
Um thanks but I'm sticking to calling it tactical mashing
I call it that too lmao
I just call it mashing. Tactical makes it sound like fuzzy mashing which when you time you smash for a very specific opening
I like to call it instinctual play
It’s not a mash tho if you know when to counter poke
What's really important about mashing is there needs to be an option we're trying to beat with it. When they're plus we can mash to beat run up throw because there's throw protection for 5 frames out of blockstun in Strive that lets us beat throw with a 5 frame button (outside of guard crush), but in other games there might not be throw protection at all making it impossible to mash in some situations. So we can pick something else that might beat throw like jump or backdash, but those come with their own problems as well.
you are one of the first people in this comment section who actually gets it lol. most people have just been saying that its just blatent mashing and its not true abare is basically just thought process behind mashing where as what most people describe mashing as is just brainlessly pressing a button and hoping to get out
@@Akaraien Mmm exactly, sometimes the best way out of a jam is to just down jab or such. Works well against pressure (If you know where the gaps are) or mixups (Like throws or aerials).
The important part is that it's done with thought given to what you've observed of your opponent, what your prediction is based on those observations of their next action. And whether you should continue staying on defense for them to slip up or to potentially get a better idea of them.
People saying it doesn't work against frame-traps well... Yeah, that's what frame-traps are for. Most those are negative on block though so unless they are intent on just bullying you on defense and setting up low/high or throw-mixups.
Having your frame-trap blocked can often stop pressure right then and there and shift the advantage.
You can simplify it further
You’re minus, but the startup on your attack is faster than the startup on their follow up. If you time it at just the right spot, the math of the first attack and the math of the second attack can come together for a total that gives you a + frame advantage even as small as just 1. Attacking in that window, as well as knowing when it’s coming, is good use of abare
The Crouching light punch, will forever be remembered, from this day forward, for its chaotic nature, rendering its user unhinged and Feral in demeanor, thusly, forever devoid of organized cognition😂
They called it Abare, we called it tactical button mashing.
Damn that girl with the yoyo bad as hell
Its basically just tactical mashing, you cannot block forever so at some point its better to take the risk of stealing your turn back so u can start the oppression.
Im still gonna say mashing because it's funnier to me.
As in frame data in mortal Kombat 11
Top western player mashes out of a blocksting
“Bro this dude mashing like hell”
Top Japanese player mashes out of a strin
“ excellent use of abare tokido sensei”
YO THIS IS SICK
WhO gave bridget MELANIN!?
In kung-fu they just call it an opening.
so basically parrying but with a more complicated name cuz f-ck it
Nahh most people mashing cause blocking is a unheard of tech
It's mashing.
I saw this exact clip before with a girls voice. Is it stolen or a reupload something?
Frame trap 🪤 > Abare
bro 暴れ (abare) in Japanese just means "going wild/crazy" so its literally just the Japanese way of saying "mashing" lmao
Is it really though?
Mashing doesn't indicate someone is being careless/crazy, they don't even factor what they do hence mashing. Meanwhile abare/abareruzo means they're taking chances that their opponent will throw a big hit instead of continuing optimized pressure
@@akasahi9315 lol, thanks for describing what mashing means. also, "not even factoring what they do" isnt "careless?" really?
@@KnightParagon there's difference from just pressing buttons aka mashing, than pressing buttons because you're risking a hit. Jfc I'll understand if english isn't your primary language
@@akasahi9315 Tomayto ..Tomato. You may not consider mashing. But its still just calculated or hypothetical mashing. Its not a guarantee. Its a risk. You" mashed" to get yourself out of trouble.
I would consider it "poking" and doing a "counter hit" if you know for a fact that your move is going to out hit your opponents attack. But even that would be considered mashing uf you constantly try to do it instead of blocking or sidestepping.
Even "mashing" itself is a sound strategy than can get you some wins. If your opponent succumbs to it.
you clearly don't know much about linguistics
"You're only Minus if you think you are" - Lythero
"You're never minus if you're just not a bitch"
I don't get it
@@petergeramin7195 go look up dbfz lobby shenanigans and have a grand time its by a youtuber named lythero
In a way but it just means that you move after the person on positive thats all
Meanwhile in skullgirls:
>gets grabbed by beowulf once
>mashes every button
>we don't do that here
>goodbye HP bar
>uninstall game
Good game, never playing it again.
No mixups?
And now... the end is near...
And so I face... the final curtain
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Damn he said instead of just calling it mashing I'm gonna just call it some japanese word to make it sound better
if it works it's Abare, if not then it's just mashing, same mentality as Ume Shoryu
😂
Typical weeb behavior
literally the same thing but in japanese, dude is just trying to sound smart
@@tedjomuljono3052 sounds dumb. No one calls it Abare when you're playing tekken
Hm yes Abare.
That’s just a fancy word for mashing.
Lol exactly, it's just Japanese word for mashing
@@miairuha abare in Japanese is to act violently
@@burds_do_fly7660 so mashing
I’ve come to realize that special terms in fighting games are usually just shorthand for Japanese terms and that fighting game fanatics are weebs.
@@in_sun4746 not weebs
Just stuck in a community where all the terms were decided by jp players in the 90s
It's a bit frustrating it was just glazed over that Abare/Mashing gets beaten by frametrapping, spacing, or solid frame knowledge in general for baits, given that it's the entire mindgame that's happening.
Also, 暴れ just means to go crazy, literally mashing or doing something reckless.
We speak English and have appropriately translated words for them. Credit where credits due, but there's reason for why we call reads reads and not Yomi, while we may use Yomi to describe the art of mind games because it's a very specific concept originating from Japanese FGC.
I mean in theory a frame-trap would beat mashing. but on average frame traps lead with a plus on block into something that is minus on block, like something with unique CH properties.
So to say Abare get's beaten by frame-traps is correct, but to assume that if the opponent is plus he or she will do a frame-trap is incorrect, as you said. Mind-games.
Sometimes the opponent will try to do another plus on block, or a mixup. Both of which circumstances where you mashing jab or DP might be your only out. (Once you've gotten a feel for your enemy of course)
While the term mashing isn't incorrect, it is often as much a matter of the defender scoping out the attackers mind-games.
Calling it mashing just seems wrong to me, when sometimes it's a clearly thought out attempt to break out of pressure and put the enemy on the back-foot before they even have time to shift gears into a solid defense.
Everything else you said is correct, movement plays a key-factor but whether or not it's part of the discussion depends as this could be seen as a pure frames thing. (Yes, with the right knowledge of frames and execution you can backstep the mashing and then punish or if you feel particularly daring do your game's version of a DP.)
Solid frame-knowledge in general helps both sides so not sure why that is a point in favor or against anything.
Pretty cool translation facts
True true. Though this only happens because even if you're negative, your opponent is throwing moves that have higher frames than your block recovery+startup attack frames, isn't it?
I guess "abare" which is literally to go wild, is an expression when someone is being reckless than mashing. Hence the difference between mashing and abare is that mashing doesn't even think of their moves actually winning by chance while abare does take that into account 🤔?
He literally said that it's a game of rps and that it's usually more risky to abare on plus. This implied frametraps and frame knowledge. For someone who plays casually, this is a very well made short video on some of the nuances of fighting games.
Autism speaks
I didn't understand a single word this video. Just got that Brisket is hella cute.
Brisket
Brisket?
@@GypsyDanger2000 brisket.
Brisket. Yea he pretty cute
She. Yes, Imma argue. It's been months. Daisuke addressed this already in a Developer's Backyard. Calling Bridget a guy/male just makes you look like a dickhead.
That Bridget mod is so cute💛
They took off her dysphoria hoodie. That’s her source of power! Can’t believe it.
@@shadow0fx 🤓☝️
@@shadow0fxnow she has confidence
If you're explaining abare, you should explain animation phases and recovery frames first. Without knowing what plus frames are actually doing, you can't really make it into an RPS situation. This makes it sound like mashing on negative frames will always have a chance to work, when it actually depends on How negative you are and how long your attack start up is.
Mash your fastest button against their biggest minus. Profit.
Yeah, no shit.
Simple way to say this:
"Use your fastest move when your opponent is setting you up for a slow one."
Shorts are short
Just wanted to say those Bridget costumes and legs are glorious.
True
Abare practically means mashing in Japanese. It literally means recklessly attacking
"abare" is the dumbest Word policing lmao
huh?
he's just explaining terminology bud.
@@Grk711 Saying "it's not mashing" is incorrect though. Abare = mashing, but theres a difference between mindlessly mashing whatever button you feel like in the moment and actually taking a calculated risk to beat out an opponent's offense.
"It's not mashing, it's called Abare"
Which means "mashing" pretty much in Japanese.
"Attacking recklessly / Wildly".
It's actually something you need to do at a high level or else your defence is too predictable and you'll get opened up more. It's simply just using a variety of defensive options, it just becomes skrubby and stupid when all you do is mash when you're minus.
All the people pointing out that abare means "To go wild/crazy" and saying that it's the same thing as the term "Mashing"... Is it though? Mashing refers to hitting buttons repeatedly and rapidly, as if you're mashing potatoes or such. It's commonly used to refer to people who are playing around with the game's controls and trying to figure out what does what. Is that also a wild/crazy way to play? Well, yes, but saying "abare" seems less specific then "mashing" does, and the player in the corner is literally not mashing buttons here, they're taking a risk in timing an attack to free themselves from corner pressure. If they did literally mash they would probably just wind up getting blendered by moves.
I’m pretty sure my friend made a pact with a demon to know instantly how many frames of cooldown an attack has, how many frames they’ll be free of hitstun then what the optimal punish is instantly… Every. Fucking. Time
🎶 Whennn yourrr, on the attack/
But your Opponent smack back That's Abare
When ya getting in that ass/ and they successfully mash That's Abare
When you're mid combo strings/and ya health suddenly shrinks
That's Abare
When it's paper scissors rock
And your negative on block
Thaaaats Abareee🎶
😂😂😂
So definitely mashing while getting combo’d on … got it lmao
Bridget tho 💀
This is really informative Nice
Delicious Brisket
If you press when you’re minus and get hit for it then it’s mashing, but if you press when your minus and it works then it’s abare
Or, according to DSP, "Oh, sure! Just mash crouching jab! What a scrub!"
Find this is really good against people that do mash, alot like real fighting flicking out a jab is a great way of keeping your opponent under control, its easy to get caught up in landing something big, that you forgot about the little tools you have at your disposal, but a big hammer isn't always the best hammer for the job
When the dude mashes Y
And it fucks up your fight
That's Abare
Giovanna being minus is an urban legend
It is indeed real, but knowing when to mash kinda puts you in a mind game
Ah yes abare the gentleman's mashing.
Dislike just for the weeby insistence on using the Japanese term even though they're the exact same thing.
It is mashing. Just because you call it abare, doesn't change anything.
No it is not called mashing
Its called mashing (Japan)
My nigga what? I honestly didn't understand any of this
So I made this technical move for years!!!
Yes its mashing
I would know because I do it
What Bridget skin do you have?
It is called mashing OR abare
Good description !
Ive been playing fighting games for almost a decade and ive never heard the term abare. We just call it mashing lol
damn bro I lost so much BP in FighterZ because of this... and yeah it's just mashing because they were all SS4 Gogeta players.
FR
abate is Japanese for mashing
Abare is to mashing what umami is to savory.
Bruh idc Bridget is so fine
Okay is that a mod orrr...?
Can you use cosmetic mods online without hetting banned?
Yoooo I respect the AC music
Nah it’s mashing. If you lose in 9 out of 10 scenarios it ain’t no Rock Paper Scissors.
"it's not mashing it's a strategy called abare" gotta be the whitest thing I've ever heard.
Its still mashing even if you use another word to define the same thing.
Its like when people say that japanese comics are not comics they are "manga" or korean "manga" are "manhwa" or when voice actors in japan are not voice actors they are "seiyuus"
That's just comes off as pretentious, terms that snobs use, if they mash a button or press a button on hitstun or blockstun its called mashing even if they are not literally pressing the button like crazy which is basically what abare is
You are just trying to make it look more complicated than it really is by throwing frame data numbers at people and calling it with "fancy" names
Abare doesn't exist, just accept the fact we all press a button when there's an opening. Or, mash when there isn't. 🤷🏾♂️
Keep your game right and your frames tight
Nah it's mashing.. 110% just mashing.. They're literally holding block and mashing outta block stun. Idc if you're an Evo champ or a noob it's the same thing.
Um...this shit is mashing...pure and simple. While the attacking fighter is going to do his string. The MASHER is literally mashing buttons, and having the inputs visible in replay play back, you can literally see the mash.
but... I'm certain mashing is still correct. I.E, "There's a gap in that block string, you can mash out."
Even if you're timing it, I still call it mashing. Just my 2 cents
Abare is just mashing. You only call it Abare when it works though. Mashing when it doesn't. 🧠
I’ve watched 3 times and I still don’t k know what you’re talking about. You kinda say it too fast.
But that’s the best looking Bridget mod I’ve ever seen. Cis-Bridget basically lol
It's important to remember you're fighting a human, not a robot. If you notice they have a combo string they don't have the timing down for, this becomes an increasingly useful option, especially since it can cause the opponent to tilt due to you winning an interaction they don't feel you have the right to have won. There's only a handful of people good enough to nail combos every time, don't trick yourself into believing your opponent's offense is air-tight.
In Under Night you have to do this often to get out of blockstring. It requires a deep level of knowledge about characters combos
This guy: ItS cAlLeD AbArE
Me: and the the rest of us who actually PLAY fighters call it mashing. GG
It's literally just mashing in hopes that either the other guy screws up and you will have buffered an input that comes out before he can react, or you are trying to use it to 'counter' a specific string that involves a minus frame length long enough for you to switch initiative.
Call a spade a spade instead of trying to pretty it up. It's mashing. It's mashing in a specific scenario, but it's still mashing.
I like the part where he mumbled a bunch of incoherent gibberish without explaining actually anything.
Bro I swear these shorts from their nature of being such short content leave SO many questions unanswered that if I didn’t already know a lot about fighting games I would be 100% confused.
If any of you guys want an explanation for smth you can reply here and I will try my best to answer it
mashing is spamming any button you can get your greasy rat paws on; how is this just not tactically advantageous? i’m supposed to just hold block the entire set? y’all are miserable
And if you can do something while they are attacking means it's not jailing jailing is where a blockstring locks you down and you cant do nothing( mk and injustice has ALOT of attacks that jail)
I'm pretty sure that's not abare. That's an interruption. Abare from what I remember is when the person on offense is negative and steals a turn. Doing something like a move that's negative but safe on block and then an invincible dp
I do this all the time. I mash and they are counter hit. You know disgusting Bryan is. Tekken 7. I don't care if I'm too much minus on block I just do it.
Pressing buttons when negative is a calculated check (you took a risk because you think they are not using the advantage) or mashing (u care about frame adv.).
“Being minus is a mindset”
i'm sorry this explained absolutely nothing
something2 ending lag
Also the fgc community is funny sometimes, like why is the jp term for mashing aka 暴れ (lit: going wild, rampage, etc.) is own thing like, that's just the same word but in a different language? 😭
If you get whined at for mashing then know you’re doing good. Just means they’re coping about you being smart
Definitely still mashing instead of respecting. U dont gotta respect forever but most fgc players are mashers
Life went "plus" against me when I discovered Bridget is a boy.
“You’re never minus if you ain’t a bitch”
Or your playing Leroy from Tekken 7
I'm only just getting into fighting games this is so confusing to me
Mashing and abare are literally the same thing, also frame advantage isn't the only thing mashable, cancels should have been mentioned
It is Abare if you are were succesfull.
If you failed, then you mashed.
İts because some moves pushes opponents so far that they have a chance of hitting you up before you connect the second hit i think its called "false combo" a combo that opponents can escape
So basically mash before the other guy can input fast enough got it. We not respecting frames with this one
It’s pretty much: my data is +13 yours is +1. I win
That skin you got on Bridget kinda sus. And the fact that you have a skin on only Bridget is even more sus.
Thumbs up for "Moonlit wilderness" playing