I wish Kodak could do these same videos for 16mm. There needs to be more instructional videos for 16mm, young filmmakers could benefit from the videos and it is a more feasible medium that we need to teach and encourage people to shoot on.
Since it's just a film gauge size difference, I'm pretty sure you can take the existing 35mm comparison and just zoom on to 2x to see what a 16mm would look like. Of course, youtube compression will take its toll. But still. i think you would be in the ballpark.
@@gabrielzinho07_LOL, the highlights transitioning into shadows cannot be replicated on digital because digital doesn't store details in highlights like film.
After watching the BLU-RAY of Nirvana's concert live at the paramount (youtube it), I was sold on film. That concert was recorded on 16mm film in 1991 in Seattle. Amazing. Even today's digital sensors can't produce something similar to that concert.
Excluding the replicable color science, some modern digital sensors on high-end cinema cameras easily surpass that. Edit: Emulating the variability and deterioration of analog film stocks has never been done before (in terms of building an algorithm), but there's no good reason why it wouldn't be possible, and it only takes a few people to measure the data, make the calculations, and maybe build more software.
It looks beautiful indeed, if we want a more cleaner fine grain look with lots of detail and information and at the same time, some of us also want the old look we love so much, so really hope old stocks are awakened from slumber
Really clean sets, well maintained and cleaned cameras, and well handled film. I am betting they clean the camera meticulously between shots, and if you go to 7:50 and watch the woman's nose there is a nice film imperfection on display. They are trying to sell a product so they take the care that very expensive to replicate from maintenance, preparation, and scene control.
The difference between "1-under" and "1-under, push-1" in the context of this video is that "1-under" was just retimed during the DI, right? And "1-under, push-1" was given a 1-stop push during development before being scanned to DI?
hey man, love your vids, im a subscriber. yea, I agree not sure why Kodak hasn't jumped on the band wagon for LUTS, Digital cameras that use their color profiles, and much much more. I guess all good things must come to an end.
Try FilmConvert. Their emulations match a camera's sensors and convert them to cineon, which is in turn, converted to the Kodak print stock look. It's pretty exacting, and is much better than a LUT, which is a sorta one-size-fits-all kind of thing
@@dorothyparkour435 But it isn't accurate, just as all negative film emulations available to buy. Light Illusion offers film profiling services, but it's much more expensive than FilmConvert.
Kri Sti b&H but 30 minutes of filming at 24fps will set you back 2200 bucks when buying 7 cans of 400 feet. You would need 2700 feet of film and that is if no extra takes are needed. Then you have processing and color grading costs. So total cost for making a 30mm film with processing would cost 4500-5000.
I love films bcoz of the resoloution and detail,so ofcourse 35mm is the strongest in resoloution and details unless its 65mm..but I have a 5d mark 2 and even though the sensor is a digital its still 35mm full frame sensor so it does have a good look even better in good light and colour graded...but can 16mm or super 16 pose a challnge to 5d mark 2 atleast in the world of pc and laptops..?
You gotta stop spreading your " knowledge" if you don't know what you're talking about buddy ;) Shooting film DOES mean your image will have that cinematic feel that Digital ( 5D included ) is missing. The dynamic range in film is still years a head of the REC709 of the 5D. The latitude gives you more flexibility when using film. So Yes a Lot can be done with the 5D, but only within the limits of the 5D :) ! and that small little clipped part of the Image will look Huge on a thaeater screen
I wish Kodak could do these same videos for 16mm. There needs to be more instructional videos for 16mm, young filmmakers could benefit from the videos and it is a more feasible medium that we need to teach and encourage people to shoot on.
They are a dumb corporation, dont even try
Since it's just a film gauge size difference, I'm pretty sure you can take the existing 35mm comparison and just zoom on to 2x to see what a 16mm would look like.
Of course, youtube compression will take its toll. But still. i think you would be in the ballpark.
As someone who still uses film cameras, Kodak's 5207 and 5219 will always be my favorites.
I believe that film will always hold up better over time than digital.
I like digital better
@@Frontigenics so does Roger Deakins. But digital is too sterile for me. No character.
@@gabrielzinho07_LOL, the highlights transitioning into shadows cannot be replicated on digital because digital doesn't store details in highlights like film.
@@summerlove7779 so what are log curves for?
After watching the BLU-RAY of Nirvana's concert live at the paramount (youtube it), I was sold on film. That concert was recorded on 16mm film in 1991 in Seattle. Amazing. Even today's digital sensors can't produce something similar to that concert.
I just saw that video you mentioned. My eyes haven't seen that look in a long time. Cant believe that was once normal to me .I was a 90's teen.
I agree, it's perfect!
really nice!
Excluding the replicable color science, some modern digital sensors on high-end cinema cameras easily surpass that.
Edit: Emulating the variability and deterioration of analog film stocks has never been done before (in terms of building an algorithm), but there's no good reason why it wouldn't be possible, and it only takes a few people to measure the data, make the calculations, and maybe build more software.
@Gabriel it's more than that. The way film gives the illusion of movement is superior when compared to digital. In my opinion.
Wow this 5207 is amazing. The color science and details are superb.
the cinematographer and gaffer / crew are superb first and foremost too though right
You would think that kodak would have this transferred at least in 1080p back then...
It looks beautiful indeed, if we want a more cleaner fine grain look with lots of detail and information
and at the same time, some of us also want the old look we love so much, so really hope old stocks are awakened from slumber
Why is this only scanned at 720p and not 1080p (minimum)? Might be good to see some 4k scans. We're in a whole other world now.
Man, I am so glad I watched these videos before shot my first 16mm as a student. Thank you Kodak.
Um sonho de imagem!! Viva a Kodak !!!!❤❤❤❤❤
im a selftaught dop and starting to understand shooting film more. These videos are quite helpful. Thanks Kodak!
Please re-upload this in 4k. 720p-13years ago cant represent grain structure tests properly.
They're using Panavision Millenium XL2. Why would anyone be talkin about Canon 5D here?
Where can I buy the blu-ray to these independent films?
@@PaulSharpequalrights its just test shots done for this promo..
2022 and I use this now as it’s in plentiful supply as a 35mm colour film.
I thought the beginning was "What's Eating Gilbert Grape".
There’s no imperfections on this film, how?
Really clean sets, well maintained and cleaned cameras, and well handled film. I am betting they clean the camera meticulously between shots, and if you go to 7:50 and watch the woman's nose there is a nice film imperfection on display.
They are trying to sell a product so they take the care that very expensive to replicate from maintenance, preparation, and scene control.
The difference between "1-under" and "1-under, push-1" in the context of this video is that "1-under" was just retimed during the DI, right? And "1-under, push-1" was given a 1-stop push during development before being scanned to DI?
Would love to see lut sets from Kodak to imitate that 5207 and others
hey man, love your vids, im a subscriber. yea, I agree not sure why Kodak hasn't jumped on the band wagon for LUTS, Digital cameras that use their color profiles, and much much more. I guess all good things must come to an end.
Try FilmConvert. Their emulations match a camera's sensors and convert them to cineon, which is in turn, converted to the Kodak print stock look. It's pretty exacting, and is much better than a LUT, which is a sorta one-size-fits-all kind of thing
@@dorothyparkour435 But it isn't accurate, just as all negative film emulations available to buy. Light Illusion offers film profiling services, but it's much more expensive than FilmConvert.
AWESOME
What kind of camera?
Jesse should rock that look more wen he gets his hair back
is 16mm better than digital?
Wich camera did You used for filming this?
Panavision Panaflex Millennium XL2
Now I use it for photography needed
Where can i buy it please
Kri Sti b&H but 30 minutes of filming at 24fps will set you back 2200 bucks when buying 7 cans of 400 feet. You would need 2700 feet of film and that is if no extra takes are needed. Then you have processing and color grading costs. So total cost for making a 30mm film with processing would cost 4500-5000.
@@kristicifci5389 I think film photography project has it
does anybody have any idea what voice over mic they used for this??
got to be some large diaphragm condensor mic i would guess. thats great for voice
An add before an add.... what is youtube coming to?
I love films bcoz of the resoloution and detail,so ofcourse 35mm is the strongest in resoloution and details unless its 65mm..but I have a 5d mark 2 and even though the sensor is a digital its still 35mm full frame sensor so it does have a good look even better in good light and colour graded...but can 16mm or super 16 pose a challnge to 5d mark 2 atleast in the world of pc and laptops..?
You gotta stop spreading your " knowledge" if you don't know what you're talking about buddy ;)
Shooting film DOES mean your image will have that cinematic feel that Digital ( 5D included ) is missing.
The dynamic range in film is still years a head of the REC709 of the 5D. The latitude gives you more flexibility when using film. So Yes a Lot can be done with the 5D, but only within the limits of the 5D :) ! and that small little clipped part of the Image will look Huge on a thaeater screen
5d mark 2 has good lens and dof full frame is important for blow up
What a fuck is a 5D?
too bad its made in south America now or Mexico.George eastman would never have sold the rights to digital imaging a huge mistake.
True, you can't count on Latin American's shoddy workmanship.