Cobbler Union | We Visit the Cobbler Union Flagship Store in Atlanta
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- In this video, we visit the Cobbler Union flagship store in Atlanta, Georgia. After refurbishing a number of pairs of Cobbler Union shoes, we have been quite impressed by the overall quality of these shoes. We wanted to take the opportunity to visit their flagship store at Ponce City Market in Atlanta, Georgia and talk to the CEO and Co-Founder about this shoe brand.
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Finally the ground swell to rid this world of "throw away society" is alive and well. I hope the excitement of quality boots and shoes will splash into clothes and outerwear. There is no reason why this business model of removing the middleman couldn't work for the clothing industry. Keep up the great work guys.
wescobts We couldn’t agree more! I definitely think with the internet and more and more smaller companies going direct to consumer, we’ll begin to see a return to many more artisan driven products. Probably won’t take over the demand for mass produced clothing/shoes, but it will at least keep smaller artisans employed with work and will continue to show the masses that there are other options.
Agreed! Buy quality one time instead of garbage over and over. (If you're privileged enough to be able to).
Now I can only wish the same movement enters the consumer electronics industry
The same movement very much exists in clothing (including outerwear, you've got brands like Bastong at Pitti Uomo), although more so in Europe (especially England and France) or Japan than the US. Though the US does have some really cool work wear brands.
@@TrentonHeathAre you able to lower the heel height on stilettos 👠?
I recently bought a pair of shoes from cobbler union. I had a sizing and the experience was awesome. The attention to detail and knowledge made the experience more than just getting a pair of shoes. It was getting back to that personal experience that's missing in the modern mass produced market. I show off my shoes and wore them to Delta to show off. This experience happened prior to the pandemic. I just purchased another $100 in goods to try and support. I hope cobbler union pulls through. When this is over I am coming back for a pair of Chelsea's. I appreciate you guys and like a small coffee shop, restaurant, barber shop, etc., our small businesses are the identity and community that makes Atlanta my city.
In $100 ? I believe there price range is over $400
@@safeershah8671 I bought my shoes for over $300. However I spent $100 this week to support them through this time. They sell socks, shoe conditioning products, and other accessories.
That’s awesome! Glad you’re enjoying the shoes. Yes, we couldn’t agree more! As a small family owned business, we completely understand.
safeershah $100.00 “in goods”.. meaning accessories like Saphir, brushes, etc..
@@ReaganPatriot thanks
I bought a pair of their double monk straps with crossed straps about a year ago. Love the quality, and customer service. This pair had a unique look that I liked and I always get a compliment when I wear them.
Harold Koehler Awesome! Yeah, those have a really cool look to them! Glad you’re enjoying them.
Proverbs 22:29 Do you see a man skilled in his work? He will be stationed in the presence of kings; he will not stand before obscure men. Great job guys, I love to see craftmanship promoted. Maybe we will start to buy quality again and not celebrity endorsed cheaply made junk.
Harry Stopher Proverbs 27:17
As iron sharpens iron,
so one person sharpens another.
Great reference brother, this is one of many favorites of mine.
Love it gentlemen! Thank you! Yes, we could not agree more.
Amen
Just went to the site and they have a 20% off everything and if you spend 1000 dollars you get 25% off for life which seems insane for any company to do that but well covid
Cheering through the whole conversation! That craftsmanship is being preserved as makers connect and build community with customers--that is the right way of commerce, imo. Art and craft are truth, and truth has a way of remaining after the chaff is blown away.
Lyndsey MacPherson Thank you! We couldn’t agree more!
I bought 3 pairs this past week after taking them up on the virtual fitting. Bought my first pair (wholecuts in the museum cognac) about a month or so ago, fit great and look even better. I'm proud to have helped a small company during these hard times and impressed by their commitment to their product and craft.
I just received my first pair from them, wholecuts in museum green. Such a good looking shoe accentuated properly by that museum leather. ♡
Bought 3 pair for my husband. The Miguel whole cut, black Chelsea and brown suede Chelsea boots. The quality is great and service is excellent.
Love the editing of the video! Greatly appreciate the information you both provide.
You guys are always...One step ahead!
😉 Thank you, Tony!
My first pair high quality leather shoes is from Cobbler Union. Their customer service is superb! I had a back and forth email conversation with them to help me finalize my shoe size. I am glad I made the purchase.
Also, for those who are interested. I have since purchased a pair of Thursday and a pair of Alden as well. After a full winter of switching between the three, I would say this. Thursday (Vanguard) for me is the rugged boot built for the wet winter snow. Cobbler (Winchester) and Alden (Plain Toe Suede) on the other hand is for the drier winter. In terms of price, It was Thursday ($299), Cobbler Union ($475), and Alden ($615). In terms of quality, CU and Alden is about the same. Both are way better constructed than Thursday. Although, I would say Alden is a bit better because they have a wide selection of sizes for the same shoe.
I'm so happy you guys were able to visit the store and see all the products in person. C.U. is truly a gift and asset to my little hometown. Stay safe and well fellas.
Great job on educating your customers on different brands of shoes. Not to take away from other American shoes, but expanding to see the difference between the various brands is useful. Beckett Simonon and Crockett & Jones are others to also consider. I appreciate you guys exploring out, kudos to you guys. Thank you Trenton & Heath.
Love you guys' videos. I own four pairs of CU Shoes/Boots. I couldn't be happier with their products and Customer Service. I was a little hesitant to pull the trigger because I'd never heard of Cobbler Union. After watching you guys review a pair, I pulled the trigger. So, thank you Trenton and Heath. Keep up the good work, and I'm anxiously looking forward to your next video.
Many thanks for another terrific video! You guys do a super job with your interviews! I bought my first pair of Cobbler Union’s on your recommendation. I’m extremely pleased with them.
Thank you so much, Tom! We really appreciate it. Glad to hear you’re enjoying the shoes!
This was fantastic. Great way to show them support and inspire us about their mission. I've had them on my list for a while but now I'm definitely making a purchase. I love their website as well.
I'm a relatively new subscriber and have been catching up on all of your videos and I have to say so far I have been very impressed with each one . It's fascinating watching you guys work your magic on a pair of shoes. You both have very nice speaking voices and do a great job explaining each part of the process of shoe repair and maintenance . I hope you and your families are staying safe and healthy during these trying times. I'm looking forward to more videos. :)
ttop64 Thank you so much! We really appreciate you watching. Please stay safe as well.
Great review guys.
I would definitely had mentioned Hugo though from Sartorial Talks...that man knows everything sartorial. I'm not to sure that he and the Mrs have a hand in that brand.
Thanks again.
J. AULT We’re big fans of Hugo and Sonya. As a matter of fact, we’ll be carrying something of his in our online store shortly. Hugo is also good friends with the folks from Cobbler Union, and speaks highly of them, but I don’t believe he is connected with the brand outside of that.
J.Ault
You are absolutely right about Sonja and Hugo from Sartorial Talks.
They´re Channel is a great pleasure to hear and watch.
That is where I heard about Cobble Union first. Since they were US based I looked them up and like mentioned above I love their shoes. Look great and you can tell they are well made.
@@TrentonHeath His new shoe book?!
I just watch and learn so much from you. Thank you gentlemen, for another great video.
Yvonne Luna Thank you, Yvonne! We’re appreciate you watching and are so glad to hear that.
Awesome interview and great to see you guys expanding your horizons in the cobbler industry. I have a suggestion to look into another shoe company, please look into doing a critique of Grant Stone. I currently have purchased a pair of their diesel boots and absolutely love them. The quality is on par with quite a few upper-end brands.
Btw... i’m wearing frequently, the re-crafted J&M’s that you completed. They actually are more robust than they were brand new thanks to you guys!!!! Keep up the awesome work, stay healthy and safe. Best regards, Greg
gregory goldbarth Hi! So glad to hear you like the J&M’s we “overhauled” for you! Funny you should mention Grant Stone because I was just contacted by the owner a couple of weeks ago. We’ll probably do a review or something with them soon. Thanks again!
Trenton & Heath Thank you gentlemen! You all are true Artisans!
Btw... i’ll look forward to your critique of Grant Stone. Wyatt has taken steps to make sure that quality control comes first with this company. Also, their customer care is second to none!
Trusting you guys filmed this before COVID-19 lockdown. Love what you guys do and how you present the details.. Good to see good ole fashioned shoe making still alive! 👌
Yes they filmed a couple months ago
Thanks for sharing. It nice you guys have different recommendations and option for the new guys. Stay safe out there.
Joaquin -Jack Nava You’re welcome! Please stay safe as well.
Great shoes! I have 2 pairs. Tons of compliments when I wear them. Best quality shoes I e ever owned!
Hey guys. Great videos and editing. Love the fact that you guys make these. Whoever is doing your video, encourage them to get after the audio portion next. You guys are doing enough stuff and gathering enough eyeballs now that a piece like this visit to the Cobbler Union is close to top-flight content, just a little hard to hear as the microphone boosts all the background noise. The title video level tends to be a little hotter than the video content. If you guys have a pro doing your video work, they will know what to get. If you have family or friends doing the work - it is pretty top notch and they can spend some time with google to find mics I am sure.
Love the content, the video work. Keep them coming.
I'm always a little cautious of brands that advertise themselves a good deal. I find they market themselves more because their product isn't as good. And marketing is cheaper to make a profit than making a great product. So when I saw Cobbler Union, I investigated with caution.
They have some great styles. And the pricing looks right. And I haven't heard or seen anything negative about them. Anywhere. They look to be an authentic, quality product and have their priorities right: quality and value for the customer.
Another thing that I Iike about them is that they list the recommended Saphir cream color for each shoe in the shoe's description on the website. No guessing for the customer or the cobbler.
M. P. Just make sure you get it from us. Haha. 😉
Great job! I love your videos!
It’s cool to find out that y’all are based in Nashville. I’m going to be spending the next 4 years there down at Vandy and I’ll be sure to visit some time! You guys have truly gotten me into nice shoes and appreciating the craftsmanship of a well-made shoe. Great video as always!
PressFartToContinue Hi! Yes, definitely stop by! We’ll be moving soon to a larger facility down in Columbia, TN, but you’re always welcome to stop in.
Anchor ⚓ Down.
Just kidding... Go Big Orange!
Buck McAntlerson Haha! I’ll pretend I didn’t see that second line!
Haha...GBO! 🍊
I have a pair of the William- Cognac calf in my bag. I've been waiting to get more info. This video has convinced me to pull the trigger on them. Great job. You guys are awesome.
Great video. Thanks for putting it up. They also have live specialist doing fittings online during this pandemic and are taking on "honorary investors".
Thanks for this - I hope you two, your families, and everyone at Potter and Sons are staying safe and healthy.
Alexander Soto Thank you sir! Please stay safe as well.
This must be filmed before lockdown. Stay safe, gentlemen! 🙏🏻
SCD Observer Yes, this was filmed a couple of months ago. Stay safe as well my friend!
Hey guys keep well inside lockdown these days. Heartwarming to see new content . I hear quite bad news. Situation is quite bad in India too. Take care of you families . Godspeed !
Rohit Arvind Thank you! Stay safe as well my friend.
Everyone rockin the dress shirt under the sweater look-nice!
Rick Martinez Thank you, Rick!
Great video as always gents. Stay healthy and safe.
Thank you, Ken! You do the same sir!
Ahh, the day of the quality shoe store is making a comeback.😎👍
I now have 3 pairs of CU shoes. Good to know their MO now. 👌🏽
Great video! I had the opportunity to visit the Cobble Union store in Buckhead in February. They have very nice shoes. I needed to pickup some Saphir Medaille Dor mirror gloss and that was the only place in my area of Atlanta that I could find some 🔥 That location seems to be much bigger than the one I visited si I'm going to have visit that one now.
Stephen Cabil It’s a very cool showroom! Definitely worth stopping by.
Just checked the Cobble Union website. WOW! The Miquel UR - Museum Brown - 312 is my next pair for sure!
I loved this store. My boyfriend is one of the most famous American basketball players from Spain, and these shoes are made in Spain! Will visit next trip!
Auretha, Life & Style Catalyst Very cool! Yep, these are Spanish made. Great shoes! Definitely stop in and check them out.
Can y'all have an uncut Goodyear welted shoe resoling video? I don't mind it being 3-4 hours. Just need to kill an afternoon's time. :)
Yazza Yap We may do that. 😉
Love your videos, and this one is well-timed. Been looking at their website all week. Any models (other than those black wholecuts) that really left an impression? I want to order something to support them through this tough period, but I'm paralyzed by all the great-looking choices! My eye is drawn to their boots, but then it's also drawn to one of the stormwelted shoes for rainy days. Ack!
David Edelstein They have so many great looking shoes, but their boots are definitely eye catching and probably out favorites.
Never heard of this shoe maker. Thanks guys for the video. I hope your video helps bring more success to this maker. You're doing good!
Ima Doll Thank you!
Great video
I have 5 pairs of cobbler union shoes and just love everything about them. From the style to the people they are absolutely fantastic. Every time I walk in the store, from my very first purchase until now, my wife and I are greeted with a hug like family. ♥️
I would love to see you do another interview with them and talk about what separates them from the pack. I feel like that is the most important thing about CU. The touches like invisible channel stitching, to Goodyear welting, to the often red quilted stitching, leather quality, made to order, style and no risk return policy. They are in my opinion hands down the best value in quality shoes. They are better than AE in quality and style, and cheaper than the highly respectable Carmina (and right in the same ballpark in quality).
No question I'll be buying more shoes from Cobbler Union in the future. I can't easily drop 300-400 on a pair of shoes but I won't buy any other brand. Any time I have done so I'm dissapointed. Quality shoes are not cheap but you absolutely get what you pay for. I will simply save up and buy when the time is right.
Thank you CU and I hope this video brings you additional support in these crazy times.
Neil Natic You nailed it! Definitely cannot go wrong with this brand.
Great review guys. Please do more about another brands which you guys thinks fit to be in the video.
NO WAY! I LIVED IN THAT AREA!! I have a pair of boots and dress shoes from there... also bought all my saphir products
Also don't forget about my redwing video
When buying a leather-soled shoe, be sure to have sole protectors put on before you wear them! Youll have all the comfort of leather with the durability and waterproofing of rubber. When the sole protector wears out, have it replaced and you'll never lose the integrity of the original leather sole. Sole protectors can extend the life of your investment almost indefinitely.
Do you have an example of a sole protector?
@@thestevenou
A sole protector is a thin layer of rubber, about the thickness of a dime, that is professionally pressed onto the leather sole of your shoes. It covers the stitches and entire wear area, left to right and toe to breast.
www.potterandsons.com/collections/packages/products/topy-sole-protector
Just saw the video on the shoe restoration contest and just got in two pairs of Allen Edmonds that need some love!
If you have some time stop by Krog Street Market and the Porsche Experience Center :). Atlanta's a great city!!!
You do good service for us hard working people educating us on what is a good quality shoe and preventing us being a sucker to marketing gimmicks to cheap brands . Can you review wolverine Blvd shoes? It’s a new competitor to Thursday’s captain boots.
I have been considering a pair from them for a while now. You may have pushed me over the edge 👍
MB Shoedoc Fantastic shoes/boots! We could have stayed in there for hours. 😉
Greetings gents,
I found your videos through the Thursday Boot video. Due to it I decided to pick up my first pair of boots, being the Arizona Adobe Captains. Due to the boot being in their Rugged & Resilient line the only care they recommend is to keep them clean. Is that all that needs to be done? Do you recommend any care procedure. Love the videos!
Love your guys videos! I have a question. What are high quality cowboy boots especially with the riding heel (slanted heel) that you guys like? How do you feel of the quality from Ariat, justin, double H, Tony Lama? I personally wear Ariat but want a pair of the tecovas because I know that's one of your favorite boots from what I have seen on your videos. Thank you🙂
Thank you for widening my horizont on the behalf of brands.
Luckily ´ CO ´ is available over here in the EU so there is no fuss with customs.
Best regards and keep on going.
You’re welcome, Harald! As always, we appreciate you watching.
I remember back in the 50's and 60's my dad wore Florsheim wing tips. Back then, it was the shoe to wear. The leather was such you should put one massive shine on them. The leather soles looked like they were an inch thick. Not sure what happened to the quality of the Florssheim. I guess like most things, price got to them; Another thing I remember about my dads shoes, when he put the shine on them, you had better keep your distance. He loved his shoes.
Great story, Jerry! Yeah, these older Florsheim’s were terrific shoes. Very well made! We still resole a lot of the vintage ones that folks send to us.
Another great video👌 what about MAGNANNI shoes and boots?
I hope you had an H&F Burger while you were at Ponce City Market!
Unfortunately, we did not. We were down there to shoot this and had another event to be at right afterwards. We are originally from Atlanta ourselves but haven’t really been back down there in quite some time. We could have spent hours at Ponce City Market! Will definitely hit up H&F Burger the next time we’re down there. 👍🏻
Hey, dumb questions 1 & 2 . Ordered my first pair of Thursday boots... 1) do I need shoe trees and 2) do I do the same prep steps like you do for new shoes. Ordered some Beckett siminons, but those are on virus delay.
I purchased their Chelsea boots and they’re great except the cushion inside the shoe on the footbed by the heel keeps coming up at the corners. They reimbursed me to have a cobbler nail/glue it down again, but it came up again! Is that something you could work on, and have you heard this with any of theirs?
I love your channel
One question: is there a direct to consumer brand that you would say, is head over heals better then the others.
I know you highly recommend Becket & Simmonon but now I watched this video.
Thanks, Adam! It’s hard to say that one is hands down better, but as far as direct-to-consumer goes, Carmina is one of the best. Cobbler Union, J Fitzpatrick, Carlos Santos and some others are right up there as well in regards to overall quality. Beckett Simonon isnt necessarily in the “league” with these other brands I mentioned, but for the price point, they’re hard to beat. We both own some BS’s, and our review video of them was very positive.
That’s a candy shop for grown ups no doubt I’m looking into the American brands and this is one of them and actually I placed my first order this week I ordered GUILLAUME - BLACK CALF | SUEDE - SOHO boot is the most beautiful boot I have ever seen!!! check it out and by the way if you are not a subscriber let me tell you the Black Friday sale went worldwide if I’m not mistaken on Friday so go to their website and get a pair cause this are $500 boots and now are $330 that’s a big discount in my opinion plus the quality is there this shoes will outlast me!! But don’t let that number scared you they regular brogues,cap toe, wingtips for under $200!!!!
Love these store visits. Would appreciate a little better audio quality on the interviews though. Thanks.
Definitely agree with you! We’re working on it.
I've never thought about it like having a small car on each foot, but yeah. Maintenance.
Just don't start with a Yugo.
I have been to this store many times. On my first visit, I purchased two pairs. Since then, I have bought only some of the Saphir products they sell there.
Cobbler Union shoes are built on narrow lasts. I’m just a bit wide: Cobbler Union shoes get uncomfortable after a few hours. I know that Thomas The Manager says the shoes are built on a standard D last. No they’re not. They’re built on a narrow D.
The styles and colors are mostly quite traditional. You will see a LOT of black and brown captoes and penny loafers. Don’t expect to see a lot of fashion-forward colors or burnishing (although they have a pair of beautiful muted yellow oxfords).
Keep this in mind: Cobbler Union pays for promotions like this video. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with that. But don’t think Trenton and Heath are giving you an impartial opinion.
Dollar for dollar, you can get much more style and comfort with similarly-priced brands: Carlos Santos, TLB Mallorca, Meermin, JFitzpatrick, and Loake, to name just a few.
Did any of you name your kid harry?
Arslan Muhammad 😀
Seems like a great company but when i looked at their web site it seemed impossible to buy EEE width fittings
Numistacker That’s correct. I own their Benjamin UR Chelsea boots in museum brown. Had to size up because of my wide feet. Most of their lasts don’t appear to be wide feet friendly, though.
How much more did you have to size up? Half or one?
What is the name of the tool that resembles a thick rounded knife? It separates the sole from the shoe or boot? Also, would it be possible to get a list of tools to start with? Thanks love your videos.
Thanks. First I've heard of them. To be clear, do they actually make the shoes or do they put their brand on shoes from multiple sources?
ncooty They have 1 or 2 sources in Spain that make shoes/boots for them.
I'd love to venture into their store. I miss seeing the shoe stores of yesteryear. So, what shoes did you guys add to your own personal collections?
sydney4911 Unfortunately, none on this trip. ☹️ May have to go back down there and spend more time looking. Definitely could have spent hours in there.
".... make something that has a soul (sole)." I see what he did there. 😃😂
Robert Emerson 😉
Going back to the old ways also allows people to produce less waste.
Isn't it strange how suddenly a handshake 🤝 in Atlanta seems so terrifying??
I know, right? It all seems so strange.
I need to reach out to Cobbler Union and see if they have anything that would be comfortable for my eee width feet.
I hope this was recorded before the pandemic and you are social distancing.
beadladee Most definitely. They even shook hands so clearly before the pandemic.
beadladee Yes, definitely. This was filmed a couple of months ago.
Are wolverines leather shoe casual boot worth a shit?
Please work on the sound by getting good quality microphone. Great job!
Haha...we agree and are looking into that. Thanks for watching!
MAKE WOMEN SHOES: Loafers, Mocs, the sneakers in the back & ballet flats. PLEASE!!!
Who makes Cobbler Union? It’s a Georgia company but made in Spain? (I live my cobbler union btw)
Yep
:)
Interesting video. There shoes appear to stop at size us 12.5. Oh well
Nooooo
Really nice selection but only if your a little or averaged sized guy.
thepowderriverfarrier Yeah, that’s the only downside. They’re currently a bit limited on the widths they offer.
Side note: A change in your avatar pic, I see? 😉 We hope all is well!
Do we have laser measurement of the whole foot yet? Until that day bespoke is today's yesterday technology. I will wait.
Any shoe last is just an approximation.
Interesting they're not called Cordwainer Union.
Stack Leather heel?
Always buy quality shoes the last you a lifetime get cake care of them you treat them like babies no last you 20, 30+ years and I understand people buying cheap shoes and they just have a whole bunch of cheap shoes and they fall apart within like six months or whatever
Can see in this video that Trenton is the older brother lol
Arfan Raza Ugh...that hurts, Arfan! 😔
Haha I didn't mean looks wise
Arfan Raza Haha...whew! Was afraid I may be looking old...lol. 😁
No I meant the dynamic, same as myself and my younger bro
Arfan Raza Haha...yeah, I’m the oldest and have always been more of the “I’ll take charge and handle it”. Heath has always been the creative, easy going type.
Said "Balmoral", didn't show any...lol
J. AULT We said Balmoral because they are/have been a part of their brand line. We weren’t the ones shooting the footage.
@@TrentonHeath , ah, I know you guys know but most people call that cut incorrectly; that side line stitch has to be straight to the back...lol
Terrible experience with Cobbler Union. I bought a pair of oxfords and they were about a half size too small. Wore them in my living room for about five minutes, put them back in the box and sent them back for an exchange. The couple minutes I wore them in the house put some light creases in the vamp; I got an email back that this constituted them being “damaged” and ineligible for an exchange.
A couple takeaways: first, simply trying on the shoes will crease the leather and make them ineligible for an exchange or return. Second, you’re taking a big risk buying from this company without tryin on the shoes in store.
Nah I’ve returned a few pairs to them. They were always accommodating. Maybe yours were already creased before you got them? They ask that you wear them on carpet and not crease them. If they can’t resell them as new, they can’t accept the return.
@@186bingo It turned out it was a screwup with their customer service. They misrecorded my exchange request as a refund request and ultimately. exchanged them for a larger size.
@@frankolivoseo hope the new size works out well for you
Wait I thought your last name was Cobbler
It has a soul lol...sole.
I love your videos. However, the interviews with the CEO and sales manger were okay but not what I expected. I would have preferred that you focused on the shoes themselves, styles, features, and construction. There was nothing in this video that got me excited to buy Cobblers Union shoes over others brands such as Carmina or TLB.
Shocked to see you not taking the universal precautions like a 2 metre distance between individuals and even shaking hands during this pandemic of covid 19 don't you care!!
John Goard this was filmed like 2 months ago I think.
@@calvinthai9527 Didn't know that but even so it seems like we should have been taking precautions a long time ago as far back as January.
John Goard Hindsight is 20/20. No one was even discussing the COVID19 virus, as we are now, back in early February.
@@TrentonHeath Yes I realise that and I did apologise for my misunderstanding and took the video as being put out on the date that it was dated - 4th April so sorry for any bad feelings that I might have caused. By the by I do enjoy your videos and am truly amazed at your workmanship and professionalism.
No worries at all, John! We really appreciate you watching.
300 ish ?
More like 400 ish
Not saying they are not worth it
Just sayin