@@Ravnesss Tbf, tips for new people are generally the same thing everytime. Because, like, the main thing they need is just experience and more time playing the game
@@johngrigsby2930 I mean I agree and disagree, the unranked to gm 'educational' series from some ppl are no longer educational when they have done it 3+ times with no balance patches in between or changes whatsoever and when there are already 15+ of them of the same character. For example I heard that shock did a unranked to gm series on rein without using the rein shield at all. Imo that's just straight up not educational, it's impractical and doesn't serve a purpose whatsoever when he did 4 other unranked to gm on rein
Hey this was me!! I’m sorry about all the nades, it was mostly muscle memory from hitting the E key for Sojourn’s disruptor or I would try to use it to stop chasing, but I didn’t know it didn’t do damage when not stuck on anyone lmfao Edit: Guys his tips have helped me tremendously and I've finally been able to climb out of bronze. Thanks!! Edit 2: Made it into gold but the season is ending soon. Next season Im determined to get into plat at the very least but I think I can hit diamond :)
Definitely see his history of other shooter games at work here. The using grenades all the time, constant reloading whenever you have a second, etc. Clearly his grenade muscle memory is from most other shooters where his throws would have been OK - sometimes those are hard habits to break but still every time Flats paused and gave that look I was dying.
Yeah when i play cod i tend to throw grenades in a similar manner and like how he threw it on the floor next to the doorway that play would make sense in other games but not overwatch which is something they'll learn with time
ive never understand flats hate for early reloading, if you dont see any enemies around theres no downside to reloading, it only takes a second at most and tops up your ammo to use when the enemy comes into sight again, early reloading is bad mid fight, but between fights? theres legit no reason NOT to yet he still gets mad at that
I know it’s cringe, but as a support player, PLEASE use the “I need healing” if you’re ever genuinely really low and not getting healed. It puts a marker on our screen telling you exactly where you are that will point to you even if you’re not in our field of view
Yeah I did that in comp 2 days ago for literally 14 seconds straight in full Los of both supports while hiding behind the bus on kings row attack spawn (as attacker) on 18 hp. I then typed can you heal me I'm literally 18hp for the last 10+ seconds. Kiriko said do more damage you have done 200 dmg, if you don't I'm not healing you. This was in the first 30 seconds of the game. I asked how do you expect me to do damage while on 18 hp with a torb turret behind a rein shield? He healed me to 100 hp and then I ran into the spawn to swap to soldier lol. Funny thing was as soon as I swapped soldier I killed 3 people (including both supports) in the first fight legit solo and ended the game with 19,6k dmg and 54 elims. Btw I always use the I need healing button when I'm unsure if they are going to heal me, if I'm getting pocketed/getting plenty of heals fast enough I won't use it unless I'm going on a aggressive play
@@Siks7Ate9 Sorry to hear that man. As a now support main i always try to heal whoever i can no matter what they do. I can say theyre shit but im not going to prevent them from getting healing because they are not good lol. Why would anyone pick support and not do their role?
@@jimmy5516 they started healing me more after I killed 3 solo on soldier in the first actual fight and then another 3 again solo in the next fight. They continued to flame ppl thought like how is the reaper not dying/walking around in the backline. I told him the reaper is there because he tp's onto me as soon as I return to my team to try and pressure me because I was legit dominating on soldier. When he tp's onto me I would run away and then shoot at him, ping him and make it so kiriko could always tp to safety. Except kiriko would then not tp, would try to fight him, use Suzu and then tp and reaper would just wraith away or deathblossom. I told him stop using suzu while fighting him, just either tp away or climb to a highground where he can't reach you and heal me and he's dead. He did that later on and reaper was never a problem anymore lol. And for some reason he said support diff after we won the game lol. Meanwhile I had been legit killing their backline for half the game or getting a pick and running away. Also I literally always heal ppl even if they are legit doing nothing the entire game, maybe they will maybe they won't but it gives me ult charge and the enemy team someone else to shoot at other then me haha. Like yes if my Cassidy is a actual bot and keeps walking without 0 cover in the middle of the street instead near corners or cover I won't use a important cooldown like bap lamp on him because he will just die right after it expires but I'll definitely try to keep him alive. Especially if they have ults I need the lamp for I won't use it for that lol.
There's a lot for Support players to do as in many matches there's someone needing healing every second, people going for your or threats that you want to neutralize before they become a problem; there's also a lot of voicelines going on sometimes but also a lot of people who are already nearly full or full who keep using "I need healing". It's important to not get tilted. Sometimes the support player IS overwhelmed with audio queues, sometimes they're focused on something and don't notice you're right beside them or sometimes they actually might not have a heal to use (i.e. Brigitte's healing packs might be on cooldown, or Moira's heal gas is spent). The worst thing you can do is *spam* the "I need healing", specially if you're nearly full. I've just had a run I was pressuring the enemy healer and sniper out of the high ground and an Ashe on low ground completely oblivious and exposed was using the audio queue. I stopped to assess their situaiton and they were fine. When I looked back, the enemy took the high ground and pressured me off mine, so I had to leave and then she died. She proceeded to keep spamming the audio queue every 20s while full or nearly full, until I said I wasn't going to listen to it anymore if she kept doing it. TL;DR, ask for healing when needed, be patient and grab heal packs if you're not getting healed. Don't spam voiceline even if you're in the right that the healers aren't doing their job because that's a surefire way of not getting healed. There are plenty of bad 'healers', but it does you no good to assume they're not doing something equally important. They're supports after all, they're doing more than just healing.
I really like it when Flats goes into coaching mode, because I always imagine the bronze player seeing the video and really improving from it which makes me happy
It would be so nice to get followups on some of these in my opinion! I'd love to see some of them actually take it to heart and get better, and see Flats reaction post-coaching would be sick! :-)
It's funny you say this because at the moment of me leaving this reply the dude he's spectating has a comment directly above your comment on mobile lmao
I'm bronze. I've never ever watched OW videos in the past, even though I've got I donno maybe 150 hours in the game. I don't know meta things, I understand each hero individually but I don't understand comps in general. Just recently I've decided to try and learn more by watching from others. Lots of cool info here. I need to watch tank tutorials
25:14 Looks like enemy Junkrat placed a trap in front of the spawn door. Destroyed by the Tracer, but I'm willing to bet from Cosmic's POV that the destroyed trap bits looked like there was still a trap there.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That, or the less likely explanation is that the rod that fell down there looked like a trap so he just shot it out of habit.
A lot of these 'unexplainable moments' can also explained by human factors like simply "had to scratch my nose" or "thought I heard a knock on the door".
He's using Roll consistently for aggression, and then seemingly instantly has a situation where he needs to get away - largely because he used Roll to get a worse positioning, instead of the other way around.
Flats feels like the Baseball coach who is incredibly proud of the kid's speed and quick reaction. Just to see him flinch everytime a ball is thrown at him and the pride turns into disappointment.
Dude has decent mechanical skills. Just needs to learn abilities and map positioning and he could probably get plat pretty quickly. The nade thing was forgivable at first, but he definitely should have learned the range early on instead of throwing so many bad ones all game. He seemed to think they should be used on CD or something, distance be damned lol.
my brother is the same. He’s actually pretty good at aiming, using good cover, strafing, he just needs to work on his cooldowns, decision making and cover, and to actually stick with his team.
I'm sorry but if it took him that long to learn about the nade distance, what other abilities will he not learn the range on/when to use it? I get it if he was like testing the range by moving closer each time but he literally was just chucking it with no thought and never learned. He will not reach plat anytime soon unless something starts clicking in his head about abilities.
I play in gold/plat, definitely same up there. I do my best to call for healing if I'm in a decent spot to be healed when not on support. I like going in dick deep on tank, but I won't flame for not following or being able to heal, and ask once I'm in relative safety.
You know, the thing with the grenade bothers me too obviously, but i do have to wonder what the hero details say for Cassidy's abilities. Because they're often so vague that maybe it just says something like "throws grenade" which in most other games travels much further. He should have still picked up on it after the second time, but it could be why he's throwing it from so far away.
Magnetic grenade "throw a short range grenade that homes in on nearby enemies and deals additional damage if it sticks to them". that's the word for word description.
I love how nice you are to the newbies. I get that we're all here for the roasts and it's not really about giving tips and pieces of advice, but I personally like these more kind versions every now and then. Not always of course, but occasionally they're really enjoyable to watch
Hey, I just wanted to say that because of this series I've finally been able to grind out of bronze! I know this series isn't supposed to be advice but learning what NOT to do via other people's mistakes really helped me out. Thanks!
I think the training ground is where you're supposed to go through each part of your kit and test things like range, cool down timing, etc. Doesn't help with the in the fight mental blanks or the skills to fight other actual players, but building an instinct for how far you can throw a grenade and how often you can roll may help with character rhythm.
Most new players cba to use the training ground though. No use putting in that much time if you’re not even sure if you’re gonna like the game after 20 hours anyway.
The biggest issue with positioning advice of this sort is that it DOESN'T matter where you stand as much as it matters where ur team is. That's the biggest issue I have. Because I go into a good position, but my teammates overextend and then I'm forced to either play outside of my optimal range or join them. And 9 times out of 10 this is true even in high plat low diamond where I've been sitting for a while.
That's true to an extent but if you watch GM-Top 500 players, DPS players are able to break off from their team to do solo hunts. You just need to be able to trust your team to help you if you get into trouble. But that's the thing, the awareness and mental capacity of every role on the team to keep multiple things in mind is hard to come by in lower ranks. Low diamond still plays like they're in plat. Some play selfish and especially with one tank doing stupid things in low rank, supports usually hard focus/tunnel vision to keep them up so if you're a mechanically skilled dps but your team is just stupid, it's true that your positioning wouldn't matter. But it's good to practice good tactics for when you do climb because high skilled players will know what you're trying to do and try to help.
While there's an extent to which that is true, it's really not most of the time. A lot of characters have pretty decent "escape" options so positioning correctly just means you are genuinely getting more value, even if you end up dying in the process. A lot of people take anecdotal instances where "their team wasn't with them" as an excuse to not play higher value positions. If you are the better player it will not matter if your team is with you a very large portion of the time.
You just gotta get good tbh or play sojourn and carry. Because i was mid diamond in ow1 then just played sojourn and now I’ve been gm/t500 the past 2 seasons
Got to admit, the flash bang bit really pays off by 3rd point. On their attack their Tracer is actually dead on cooldown and I laugh everytime I hear her death scream
7:50 forget cooldown usage, he's standing in the middle of the road (not a corner) and fighting a crossfire from three different directions. A roll isn't going to get you out of this predicament very often. His healer was there as Moira tried to save him. But I didn't see any DM indicating his tank was right behind him.
ngl i can't blame him for the repeated grenade throwing on long range. every other game ever has taught you to throw nades from far away and you start playing this game where it magically explodes after 2 meters ☠️
their comment about being a one-trick Sojourn that's branching out might explain why they keep throwing the sticky grenade from waaaay too far away. (assuming her slowdown ability is bond to the same button)
I am also basically new to overwatch but i also have gone back and watched a a lot of your spectating bronze series. There is a lot of roasting you do that actually really helps newer players like myself. Am I still pretty shit at the game? Yes. But that's more mechanical issues than game knowledge now i think.
I'm a low-plat high-gold casual Rein main. I was sent to Bronze 1 due to the early ranking issue but climbed back to gold fast, I can't tell how many of my matches didn't go wrong statistically but we just got destroyed due to wrong positioning and low teamwork. A lot of these players were new so I tried to guide them, but many Valorant players who pick DPS in particular don't listen to shit. Since you aren't like them your future will be bright, don't worry and have fun.
I’m convinced he doesn’t stay high ground on Mcree because he’s used to getting in and out of high ground slide jump on Sojurn. That’s what I was like in 2016 when I mained Hanzo. Anytime I was on a character that couldn’t wall climb I’d still jump off to chase somewhat aggressively and then forget how to get back up to the high ground without wall climb.
"Your brain is by far your biggest weakness" I think it's interesting that Flats follows that up with compliments, as if anything can make up for that phrasing
Would love a video explaining starting positions/early fights like you did at the beginning of this video for different maps. I know u said u wouldn’t but i would love it😂
I struggle to tell where I'm going on a lot of maps because they're not designed very intuitively, I guess I'm spoiled by the likes of TF2 having very clear directions. If I see a doorway near main, I can't tell if it's a flank, a dead end, or leads back to my own spawn.
Watch some top 500 streamers and you will find out relatively fast. Imo best thing to watch then is a support because you can see everyone through walls more clearly (because of healthbars) and because they are not in full Los of enemies or playing further back you can see how the fights progress easier.
Just for context I quit ow 4 years ago and the only reason Im back is this series. This series is just that good and yes I watched 1+ year old videos recently
I found it cringe as the guy he is spectating was apparently very new to the game. Him rolling his eyes to basic new guy mistakes (from a new guy) time and time again and even giving that sarcastic applaud when the guy succeeds were all needless to say douche moves. If you want to give advices to someone that's great go for it, but leave your ego outside of it.
this is the situation for any new player to a game, there’s so much for their brain to process that they dont even pay attention to little things, like the grenade blowing up in his face. he hasnt learnt yet because he’s too overwhelmed with everything else
He's a Halo player. It seems like he's just tossing them out of habit. (especially when he throws them into empty areas and expects the enemy to walk into them)
The sticky granade is a new ability. Cassidy didn't have it in Overwatch 1. Also old players had to learn how to use it. I, since I have a functioning brain, I understood the range after throwing it once.
@@jackeea_ No the visuals really aren't awful unless you're half blind on one eye and cosplaying a House of Dragon character with the other.. It blows up after 10 meters, really aint that hard to grasp lmao.
as someone with competitive experience in other games this vid actually helped me too i kinda have the exact same habits as this guy for overwatch specifically, this is probably my favorite vid in this series
Thanks for doing these btw, these are helpful for me, especially cause im trying to improve my gameplay so my friends aren’t scared of playing competitive with me (i helped them go from gold 2 to gold 5)
So I am almost a year late lol, but I realized something while watching concerning his grenades, He actually isn't paying attention to the grenade after he throws it so he hasn't even realized it is going off before it reaches any distance...I watched it a couple times, he is actually completely unaware it isn't working. Also muscle memory from halo for sure.
The premise of reloading is actually difficult for me, since my time in TF2 has auto-reload that simply gets cancelled if you try to shoot. Furthermore, some weapons reload automatically while not in use. So I could see the reload issues being relatable
13:35 ish As soon as I saw that left hand move, I knew what was coming lol Still this guy is better than me at hitting shots so I salute that. Shout outs to anyone willing to put themselves out there like this.
You know… I can kinda understand the grenade thing, it genuinely doesn’t give a good indication of how far it actually goes, that atleast I can understand him making that mistake a bunch. And the nade on the dead junk is still decent enough
You can see from the gameplay that the guy has actual fps fundamentals down, like aiming, strafing and he even looks at his own hp and has some sense about sightlines and cover usage, but since he's new to OW, he does not know yet about more abstract things like positioning and any knowledge and experience one can get via playing. But there's a lot of potential with fps fundamentals.
That's just it sometimes I'll get stuck at the first choke but I rarely ever get truly spawncamped. Also this isn't entirely accurate anymore but it still is to an extent.
It kinda clicked immediately when he said he plays Halo and Apex because he moves like Halo and Apex players would move in their respective games lmao. And that's NOT a bad thing - just not the thing that translates into what OW needs. If anything, he'll learn OW pathing, movement, and decision-making in no time anyway, since we've already seen quite the bronzes in this series that you cannot convince me they weren't actual bots lmao.
I could tell he came from Halo with the nades. That's just instinct. Them bad boys have crazy range and are a great way to engage a fight in Halo. But it's not the same here
with much he’s addicted to the nade I can tell he plays halo, the nade at the door before running away is the most halo move I’ve seen cause people do that so they can’t be chased, obv doesn’t work here tho
taking high ground in video games is funny to me because it's such a basic principle of combat(pretty sure it's in The Art of War) but for whatever reason, my brain just goes "no this is video game, that doesn't apply" and I always forget use it
Hey flats, the explosion of the nade does have a flash aspect to it. maybe, MAYBE, a few of those were used to move as a kind of blinder/smoke screen, to reposition. Not super likely, but maybe.
Popping cooldowns to pop them was pretty bad, the game sense isnt there but spamming abilities for no reason is a terrible habit to start with. I think they were using the nade to deny space. Panic grenades in other fps titles is the first thing you do to try and control space.
I kinda wish you'd have shown one of those grenade throws from the enemy's POV just to drive home how short that bomb throw is. From their side of the fight, it's just fancy fireworks that tells anyone who wasn't paying attention there "Shoot here".
I think he's trying to throw the grenades in the rooms he's aiming at, like in call of duty with frags and flashes :'). You'd think by the 20th failed attempt he'd realise that it's not working. lol
That hat freak out in the beginning had me laughing. How was that not obstructing their vision? I lost it when he said very inverted top hat im crying.
I started on overwatch 2 and overall these videos have gotten me up to gold, instead of being in bronze, so i'd like to thank you for handing out tips, even though i won't be submitting any clips to you due to fear of my very tiny and fragile ego being crushed
I haven't finished the video yet but I think he thinks the grenade is a flash grenade. To a new player I can kind of understand since it explodes with a white flash kind of effect.
21:30 I understand getting frustrated when your healer won't turn and look at you....but he's like six feet from spawn. He can walk over there in two seconds, even faster if he uses dodge roll. Instead he just stands there in the corner waiting for the Moira to heal him and then feeds when she ignores him.
Run through the entire enemy teams line of sight with 25 hp, wonderful advice. One stray shot thrown roughly at direction of their team and he's dead. Sitting there was definitly the better play, if he asked for healing it would've been perfect. Feeding out of frust is obviously dumb, but being held in spawn and then not healed while right next to your team is tilting and being tilted usually means bad decisions.
The Dva was also pretty consistently at around 60% health while the moira *and* the bap pumped all their healing into her. Standing out in the open trying to go shield-to-shield with reinhardt as DVA while getting blown up by Soldier and Junkrat will do that to a team. The cheeky thing would have been to dodge-roll into all that healing getting pumped into Dva and just soak up the AoE goodness.
The first tip I always give new players is to play around in the training grounds. Knowing how to kill people is obviously important. Cassidy kills every squishy in the game with a body shot and a sticky. Those types of breakpoints are super important bc he misses so many picks from not knowing how his cooldowns work. Including his roll.
As soon as he said he was a halo player the way he misused the mag grenade made sense
Yes Yes yes yes
you can see the muscle memory XD
He’s lucky Overwatch has infinite mag grenades
This makes a ton of sense actually. I can tell now that I’ve read this that he’s thinking of it like a frag grenade and not a plasma nade
HONESTLY
Flats: "ok, I believe it, he's new, I'm going to be nice today and you're going to learn something"
Me: *whips out notebook and starts taking notes*
lmaoooo fr
Literally gives the same advice in every video.
@@Ravnesss Tbf, tips for new people are generally the same thing everytime. Because, like, the main thing they need is just experience and more time playing the game
“You went auto pilot mode and played like complete dog shit”😂
@@johngrigsby2930 I mean I agree and disagree, the unranked to gm 'educational' series from some ppl are no longer educational when they have done it 3+ times with no balance patches in between or changes whatsoever and when there are already 15+ of them of the same character.
For example I heard that shock did a unranked to gm series on rein without using the rein shield at all.
Imo that's just straight up not educational, it's impractical and doesn't serve a purpose whatsoever when he did 4 other unranked to gm on rein
Hey this was me!! I’m sorry about all the nades, it was mostly muscle memory from hitting the E key for Sojourn’s disruptor or I would try to use it to stop chasing, but I didn’t know it didn’t do damage when not stuck on anyone lmfao
Edit: Guys his tips have helped me tremendously and I've finally been able to climb out of bronze. Thanks!!
Edit 2: Made it into gold but the season is ending soon. Next season Im determined to get into plat at the very least but I think I can hit diamond :)
It does do some damage! Just not a lot
Yeah I can tell that there is something clicking that was meant for a different ability
reminds me of when I wasted an immortality field because I wanted to throw a Moira orb...
@@BeckaGabriella (not me trying to fade after playing Moira for 10 games and shooting a sleep dart into the wall outside the spawn door)
It makes so much more sense now XD
Definitely see his history of other shooter games at work here. The using grenades all the time, constant reloading whenever you have a second, etc. Clearly his grenade muscle memory is from most other shooters where his throws would have been OK - sometimes those are hard habits to break but still every time Flats paused and gave that look I was dying.
Yeah, they explained in a comment that the grenade thing was a habit from other shooters. Probably also the reloading.
Yeah when i play cod i tend to throw grenades in a similar manner and like how he threw it on the floor next to the doorway that play would make sense in other games but not overwatch which is something they'll learn with time
ive never understand flats hate for early reloading, if you dont see any enemies around theres no downside to reloading, it only takes a second at most and tops up your ammo to use when the enemy comes into sight again, early reloading is bad mid fight, but between fights? theres legit no reason NOT to yet he still gets mad at that
He said he played more halo, in that context his grenade throws make perfect sense
That Halo grenade spam
7:10 I've NEVER seen a right click hit that many shots. My boy is actually cool hand Luke.
rofl, true he should've bought a lottery ticket instead of fire that shot.
Cool hand Luke was a prison movie lol, he never even held a gun in that movie.
He's using the flashbang like a firecracker to scare the enemies away. Gotta do them mindplays.
He said he was playing Halo, hes using it like frags (which sucks, but it makes sense)
I know it’s cringe, but as a support player, PLEASE use the “I need healing” if you’re ever genuinely really low and not getting healed. It puts a marker on our screen telling you exactly where you are that will point to you even if you’re not in our field of view
More of this pls
Yeah I did that in comp 2 days ago for literally 14 seconds straight in full Los of both supports while hiding behind the bus on kings row attack spawn (as attacker) on 18 hp.
I then typed can you heal me I'm literally 18hp for the last 10+ seconds.
Kiriko said do more damage you have done 200 dmg, if you don't I'm not healing you. This was in the first 30 seconds of the game. I asked how do you expect me to do damage while on 18 hp with a torb turret behind a rein shield? He healed me to 100 hp and then I ran into the spawn to swap to soldier lol.
Funny thing was as soon as I swapped soldier I killed 3 people (including both supports) in the first fight legit solo and ended the game with 19,6k dmg and 54 elims.
Btw I always use the I need healing button when I'm unsure if they are going to heal me, if I'm getting pocketed/getting plenty of heals fast enough I won't use it unless I'm going on a aggressive play
@@Siks7Ate9 Sorry to hear that man. As a now support main i always try to heal whoever i can no matter what they do. I can say theyre shit but im not going to prevent them from getting healing because they are not good lol. Why would anyone pick support and not do their role?
@@jimmy5516 they started healing me more after I killed 3 solo on soldier in the first actual fight and then another 3 again solo in the next fight. They continued to flame ppl thought like how is the reaper not dying/walking around in the backline. I told him the reaper is there because he tp's onto me as soon as I return to my team to try and pressure me because I was legit dominating on soldier. When he tp's onto me I would run away and then shoot at him, ping him and make it so kiriko could always tp to safety.
Except kiriko would then not tp, would try to fight him, use Suzu and then tp and reaper would just wraith away or deathblossom. I told him stop using suzu while fighting him, just either tp away or climb to a highground where he can't reach you and heal me and he's dead. He did that later on and reaper was never a problem anymore lol.
And for some reason he said support diff after we won the game lol. Meanwhile I had been legit killing their backline for half the game or getting a pick and running away.
Also I literally always heal ppl even if they are legit doing nothing the entire game, maybe they will maybe they won't but it gives me ult charge and the enemy team someone else to shoot at other then me haha.
Like yes if my Cassidy is a actual bot and keeps walking without 0 cover in the middle of the street instead near corners or cover I won't use a important cooldown like bap lamp on him because he will just die right after it expires but I'll definitely try to keep him alive. Especially if they have ults I need the lamp for I won't use it for that lol.
There's a lot for Support players to do as in many matches there's someone needing healing every second, people going for your or threats that you want to neutralize before they become a problem; there's also a lot of voicelines going on sometimes but also a lot of people who are already nearly full or full who keep using "I need healing".
It's important to not get tilted. Sometimes the support player IS overwhelmed with audio queues, sometimes they're focused on something and don't notice you're right beside them or sometimes they actually might not have a heal to use (i.e. Brigitte's healing packs might be on cooldown, or Moira's heal gas is spent).
The worst thing you can do is *spam* the "I need healing", specially if you're nearly full. I've just had a run I was pressuring the enemy healer and sniper out of the high ground and an Ashe on low ground completely oblivious and exposed was using the audio queue. I stopped to assess their situaiton and they were fine. When I looked back, the enemy took the high ground and pressured me off mine, so I had to leave and then she died. She proceeded to keep spamming the audio queue every 20s while full or nearly full, until I said I wasn't going to listen to it anymore if she kept doing it.
TL;DR, ask for healing when needed, be patient and grab heal packs if you're not getting healed. Don't spam voiceline even if you're in the right that the healers aren't doing their job because that's a surefire way of not getting healed.
There are plenty of bad 'healers', but it does you no good to assume they're not doing something equally important. They're supports after all, they're doing more than just healing.
I really like it when Flats goes into coaching mode, because I always imagine the bronze player seeing the video and really improving from it which makes me happy
It would be so nice to get followups on some of these in my opinion! I'd love to see some of them actually take it to heart and get better, and see Flats reaction post-coaching would be sick! :-)
this is genuinely how i improved my playing!!
It's funny you say this because at the moment of me leaving this reply the dude he's spectating has a comment directly above your comment on mobile lmao
bruh this guy understanding of the nade is so slow
I'm bronze. I've never ever watched OW videos in the past, even though I've got I donno maybe 150 hours in the game. I don't know meta things, I understand each hero individually but I don't understand comps in general. Just recently I've decided to try and learn more by watching from others. Lots of cool info here. I need to watch tank tutorials
I love the Moira that holds down left click on fully healed teammates most of the game.
Heal the full HP tank
Ignore the 10% HP Cassidy
This is the way.
And thats a fast way to lose your heslth charge on moira.
And then they charge it back up with dps moira time
Then proceed to log onto the OW forums to bitch about DPS that are "asking for heals constantly"
I have too much TF2 in my blood that I'll probably never stop trying to build ubercharge as any kind of healer.
@@D0Samp lol same here
4:35 I did not even know you could go that way
4000 hours and i didnt realise either 😂
Only time I realized it was there was when I played custom chill maps.
Same
What makes it better, in the same time there is monkey walking the same path 😄
I go that way every match. XD
"Your brain is by far your biggest weakness"
-Flats, 2022
This is actually such a great quote lol
Fq yeah Dawgs trash
Said like a true Rein main
25:14 Looks like enemy Junkrat placed a trap in front of the spawn door. Destroyed by the Tracer, but I'm willing to bet from Cosmic's POV that the destroyed trap bits looked like there was still a trap there.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That, or the less likely explanation is that the rod that fell down there looked like a trap so he just shot it out of habit.
A lot of these 'unexplainable moments' can also explained by human factors like simply "had to scratch my nose" or "thought I heard a knock on the door".
It was also that weird pole that fell over from the trap being destroyed, Cosmic kept shooting that
I accidentally went through that door in junkertown the other day while I wasn't paying attention. I actually had no clue where the hell I was.
Were you checking tinder? 😳👁️
@@ReizokoRyu ....I dont think so?
I've done this before I'm pretty sure that door just does not exist.
@@bloorb0569 Is it because the multiverse is falling into itself?
Happened to me yesterday when I was eating and was so confused- like where tf am i??
18:08 wanted felt a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of sticky nades were thrown from narnia, and were sticking to nothing.
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@@alexanderlee6307 I agree
He's using Roll consistently for aggression, and then seemingly instantly has a situation where he needs to get away - largely because he used Roll to get a worse positioning, instead of the other way around.
Flats feels like the Baseball coach who is incredibly proud of the kid's speed and quick reaction. Just to see him flinch everytime a ball is thrown at him and the pride turns into disappointment.
Dude has decent mechanical skills. Just needs to learn abilities and map positioning and he could probably get plat pretty quickly. The nade thing was forgivable at first, but he definitely should have learned the range early on instead of throwing so many bad ones all game. He seemed to think they should be used on CD or something, distance be damned lol.
my brother is the same. He’s actually pretty good at aiming, using good cover, strafing, he just needs to work on his cooldowns, decision making and cover, and to actually stick with his team.
That’s the thing about this game. The mechanics of the movement is easy. Same for shooting. It’s 100% about cooldown and ultimate ability economy.
if he stops panicking for every little thing he may even reach high plat!
I'm sorry but if it took him that long to learn about the nade distance, what other abilities will he not learn the range on/when to use it? I get it if he was like testing the range by moving closer each time but he literally was just chucking it with no thought and never learned. He will not reach plat anytime soon unless something starts clicking in his head about abilities.
@@PabloE933 he had muscle memory of using sojourn disruptor field instead, since he was a sojourn one trick at first
Cassidy hat was mvp this game
I love it when you talk about bronze supports because I knew way before you said it where it was headed.
I play in gold/plat, definitely same up there. I do my best to call for healing if I'm in a decent spot to be healed when not on support. I like going in dick deep on tank, but I won't flame for not following or being able to heal, and ask once I'm in relative safety.
You know, the thing with the grenade bothers me too obviously, but i do have to wonder what the hero details say for Cassidy's abilities. Because they're often so vague that maybe it just says something like "throws grenade" which in most other games travels much further. He should have still picked up on it after the second time, but it could be why he's throwing it from so far away.
It specifically says short-range homing grenade.
Hmm maybe
Magnetic grenade "throw a short range grenade that homes in on nearby enemies and deals additional damage if it sticks to them". that's the word for word description.
Hes played mainly Halo before this, its hard to unlearn the habit of other FPS grenades
@@hawke7471as soon I see "halo" and "playing McCree" I knew that would happen, is a very strong muscle memory tbh
I love how in every 3rd person view Cassidy’s hat is inverted. Truly a distinguished gentleman.
I love how nice you are to the newbies. I get that we're all here for the roasts and it's not really about giving tips and pieces of advice, but I personally like these more kind versions every now and then. Not always of course, but occasionally they're really enjoyable to watch
He called him a dumb@ss ☠️
Why are you such a baddie
Flats is built so thicc he can probably earth shatter irl
@Crustyprawn 157 Hog cosplay when?
@Crustyprawn 157 no this is a roast I said that out of respect u absolute bozo
No cap Flats is a very attractive male specimen
@@kfed9834 he really is! :-)
Hey, I just wanted to say that because of this series I've finally been able to grind out of bronze! I know this series isn't supposed to be advice but learning what NOT to do via other people's mistakes really helped me out. Thanks!
Bro every nade just makes me laugh harder. If I was high, I'd be in uncontrollable laughter. Thanks flats 🤣👍
Why arent you high?
@@lruddy8820 Because my pen just ran out and I'm a broke man D:
Bro 😡 you need the devils earwax now
@@kevinuribe318 why so angry?
@@mclovin_ow2362 damn we rlly living the same life huh
I think the training ground is where you're supposed to go through each part of your kit and test things like range, cool down timing, etc. Doesn't help with the in the fight mental blanks or the skills to fight other actual players, but building an instinct for how far you can throw a grenade and how often you can roll may help with character rhythm.
Most new players cba to use the training ground though. No use putting in that much time if you’re not even sure if you’re gonna like the game after 20 hours anyway.
He knew the future patch notes for Cassidy's nade...
The biggest issue with positioning advice of this sort is that it DOESN'T matter where you stand as much as it matters where ur team is. That's the biggest issue I have. Because I go into a good position, but my teammates overextend and then I'm forced to either play outside of my optimal range or join them. And 9 times out of 10 this is true even in high plat low diamond where I've been sitting for a while.
That's true to an extent but if you watch GM-Top 500 players, DPS players are able to break off from their team to do solo hunts. You just need to be able to trust your team to help you if you get into trouble. But that's the thing, the awareness and mental capacity of every role on the team to keep multiple things in mind is hard to come by in lower ranks. Low diamond still plays like they're in plat. Some play selfish and especially with one tank doing stupid things in low rank, supports usually hard focus/tunnel vision to keep them up so if you're a mechanically skilled dps but your team is just stupid, it's true that your positioning wouldn't matter. But it's good to practice good tactics for when you do climb because high skilled players will know what you're trying to do and try to help.
While there's an extent to which that is true, it's really not most of the time. A lot of characters have pretty decent "escape" options so positioning correctly just means you are genuinely getting more value, even if you end up dying in the process. A lot of people take anecdotal instances where "their team wasn't with them" as an excuse to not play higher value positions. If you are the better player it will not matter if your team is with you a very large portion of the time.
You just gotta get good tbh or play sojourn and carry. Because i was mid diamond in ow1 then just played sojourn and now I’ve been gm/t500 the past 2 seasons
Cass's E skill is to make Flat's video grow 30 seconds longer whenever he presses it
the hat glitch just made my day xD
Got to admit, the flash bang bit really pays off by 3rd point. On their attack their Tracer is actually dead on cooldown and I laugh everytime I hear her death scream
7:50 forget cooldown usage, he's standing in the middle of the road (not a corner) and fighting a crossfire from three different directions. A roll isn't going to get you out of this predicament very often. His healer was there as Moira tried to save him. But I didn't see any DM indicating his tank was right behind him.
ngl i can't blame him for the repeated grenade throwing on long range. every other game ever has taught you to throw nades from far away and you start playing this game where it magically explodes after 2 meters ☠️
their comment about being a one-trick Sojourn that's branching out might explain why they keep throwing the sticky grenade from waaaay too far away. (assuming her slowdown ability is bond to the same button)
I am also basically new to overwatch but i also have gone back and watched a a lot of your spectating bronze series. There is a lot of roasting you do that actually really helps newer players like myself. Am I still pretty shit at the game? Yes. But that's more mechanical issues than game knowledge now i think.
I'm a low-plat high-gold casual Rein main. I was sent to Bronze 1 due to the early ranking issue but climbed back to gold fast, I can't tell how many of my matches didn't go wrong statistically but we just got destroyed due to wrong positioning and low teamwork.
A lot of these players were new so I tried to guide them, but many Valorant players who pick DPS in particular don't listen to shit. Since you aren't like them your future will be bright, don't worry and have fun.
I’m convinced he doesn’t stay high ground on Mcree because he’s used to getting in and out of high ground slide jump on Sojurn.
That’s what I was like in 2016 when I mained Hanzo. Anytime I was on a character that couldn’t wall climb I’d still jump off to chase somewhat aggressively and then forget how to get back up to the high ground without wall climb.
"Your brain is by far your biggest weakness" I think it's interesting that Flats follows that up with compliments, as if anything can make up for that phrasing
Would love a video explaining starting positions/early fights like you did at the beginning of this video for different maps. I know u said u wouldn’t but i would love it😂
I struggle to tell where I'm going on a lot of maps because they're not designed very intuitively, I guess I'm spoiled by the likes of TF2 having very clear directions. If I see a doorway near main, I can't tell if it's a flank, a dead end, or leads back to my own spawn.
Watch some top 500 streamers and you will find out relatively fast. Imo best thing to watch then is a support because you can see everyone through walls more clearly (because of healthbars) and because they are not in full Los of enemies or playing further back you can see how the fights progress easier.
I definitely need this in my life!
His reaction to each time he throws a faulty nade has me cackling
Just for context I quit ow 4 years ago and the only reason Im back is this series. This series is just that good and yes I watched 1+ year old videos recently
if you're this Cassidy, man, your aim is really good! You're really going to be great once you get the hang of it
@@yumlo8570 It isn't this Cassidy.
Flats actually losing his mind over the nades had me in stitches
I found it cringe as the guy he is spectating was apparently very new to the game. Him rolling his eyes to basic new guy mistakes (from a new guy) time and time again and even giving that sarcastic applaud when the guy succeeds were all needless to say douche moves.
If you want to give advices to someone that's great go for it, but leave your ego outside of it.
this is the situation for any new player to a game, there’s so much for their brain to process that they dont even pay attention to little things, like the grenade blowing up in his face. he hasnt learnt yet because he’s too overwhelmed with everything else
*Flats* : I am actually going to be nice today
*Everyone* : the universe is changing
10:44 i swear blizzard saw this and he's the reason the nade can be thrown from Watchpoint Gibraltar and get a hit in numbani.
Even if you’re a new player, how many times do you have to throw the grenade to realize how far it goes?
In fairness, the visuals are fucking awful - it's just a lens flare that wobbles and goes pop, with barely any indication of how far it's gone
He's a Halo player. It seems like he's just tossing them out of habit. (especially when he throws them into empty areas and expects the enemy to walk into them)
The sticky granade is a new ability. Cassidy didn't have it in Overwatch 1. Also old players had to learn how to use it.
I, since I have a functioning brain, I understood the range after throwing it once.
@@theampeel the irony
@@jackeea_ No the visuals really aren't awful unless you're half blind on one eye and cosplaying a House of Dragon character with the other.. It blows up after 10 meters, really aint that hard to grasp lmao.
as someone with competitive experience in other games this vid actually helped me too i kinda have the exact same habits as this guy for overwatch specifically, this is probably my favorite vid in this series
I think what could've happened is he thinks the grenade is a flashbang that has a wide aoe, so he keeps throwing it at midrange
He’s gonna hit all those cass nades now
Thanks for doing these btw, these are helpful for me, especially cause im trying to improve my gameplay so my friends aren’t scared of playing competitive with me (i helped them go from gold 2 to gold 5)
15:07 I honestly think he didnt realize rein charge charged that far and expected him to still be on the cart
4:25 I didn't even know that room existed
Also grenade habits are really hard to break. Took me a while to stop trying to stun people with the nade.
So I am almost a year late lol, but I realized something while watching concerning his grenades, He actually isn't paying attention to the grenade after he throws it so he hasn't even realized it is going off before it reaches any distance...I watched it a couple times, he is actually completely unaware it isn't working. Also muscle memory from halo for sure.
The premise of reloading is actually difficult for me, since my time in TF2 has auto-reload that simply gets cancelled if you try to shoot. Furthermore, some weapons reload automatically while not in use. So I could see the reload issues being relatable
4:25
3 years of overwatch and never knew that door existed
13:35 ish As soon as I saw that left hand move, I knew what was coming lol
Still this guy is better than me at hitting shots so I salute that. Shout outs to anyone willing to put themselves out there like this.
The music playing in the background of these vod reviews/roasts just makes it 100x more entertaining
4:13 after playing ow since d1, i didn't even know of the existence of that door
You know… I can kinda understand the grenade thing, it genuinely doesn’t give a good indication of how far it actually goes, that atleast I can understand him making that mistake a bunch. And the nade on the dead junk is still decent enough
Like I’m being serious, it’s really hard to tell how far that grenade goes I genuinely can’t blame the guy for not getting its range from one match.
Maybe he thinks the flash blinds enemies like in CS:GO but doesn’t blind your own teammates, so he thinks it’s working? I dunno, work with me here.
As a Pokémon fanboy the music in the background of your vids makes me so happy
You can see from the gameplay that the guy has actual fps fundamentals down, like aiming, strafing and he even looks at his own hp and has some sense about sightlines and cover usage, but since he's new to OW, he does not know yet about more abstract things like positioning and any knowledge and experience one can get via playing. But there's a lot of potential with fps fundamentals.
He’s a halo player so the nades make sense. Basically nade spam is both mandatory and reflexive if you’re a good halo player
Just want to say, junkertown is the one map where I get spawncamped most out of first spawn. It's actually extremely common.
really? not kings row?
That's just it sometimes I'll get stuck at the first choke but I rarely ever get truly spawncamped. Also this isn't entirely accurate anymore but it still is to an extent.
I’m new to overwatch and I’m so happy I found Flats, helpful and funny, W creator
It kinda clicked immediately when he said he plays Halo and Apex because he moves like Halo and Apex players would move in their respective games lmao. And that's NOT a bad thing - just not the thing that translates into what OW needs.
If anything, he'll learn OW pathing, movement, and decision-making in no time anyway, since we've already seen quite the bronzes in this series that you cannot convince me they weren't actual bots lmao.
25:25 holy crap he got startled by the falling pillar😂 mans got jump scared
flats getting angry about the grenades just keeps getting funnier 😂
I could tell he came from Halo with the nades. That's just instinct. Them bad boys have crazy range and are a great way to engage a fight in Halo. But it's not the same here
well this video aged poorly with the cass range now lmao
with much he’s addicted to the nade I can tell he plays halo, the nade at the door before running away is the most halo move I’ve seen cause people do that so they can’t be chased, obv doesn’t work here tho
See this guy understands me
He just be pressing the grenade reflexively like it's halo lmao
taking high ground in video games is funny to me because it's such a basic principle of combat(pretty sure it's in The Art of War) but for whatever reason, my brain just goes "no this is video game, that doesn't apply" and I always forget use it
Hey flats, the explosion of the nade does have a flash aspect to it. maybe, MAYBE, a few of those were used to move as a kind of blinder/smoke screen, to reposition. Not super likely, but maybe.
love the content btw
The thumbnail coupled with the grenade plays has me rolling, especially when he tossed it at the junkrat that had just freshly died lmfao
The thumbnail is adorable.
This person presses E because they're a Sojourn main. Makes sense if you think about it.
Flats needed a hug after this one 😅
Whenever the player throws the grenade and the moment of silence with the background music is fucking hilarious
Popping cooldowns to pop them was pretty bad, the game sense isnt there but spamming abilities for no reason is a terrible habit to start with. I think they were using the nade to deny space. Panic grenades in other fps titles is the first thing you do to try and control space.
18:10 was so funny, John felt a disturbance in the wild west
The hat brim glitch got me every time
I kinda wish you'd have shown one of those grenade throws from the enemy's POV just to drive home how short that bomb throw is. From their side of the fight, it's just fancy fireworks that tells anyone who wasn't paying attention there "Shoot here".
They probably built the muscle memory with Sojourn’s grenade and they’re trying to use Cassidy’s the same way
I think he's trying to throw the grenades in the rooms he's aiming at, like in call of duty with frags and flashes :'). You'd think by the 20th failed attempt he'd realise that it's not working. lol
I couldn't stop laughing at Flat's reaction every time he threw the grenade from down town haha. 🤣😂
Nowadays he would be getting away with all of these ‘nade throws 😂
Thanks for the great content recently Flatty!
That hat freak out in the beginning had me laughing. How was that not obstructing their vision? I lost it when he said very inverted top hat im crying.
He has another goodie for us today
THE THUMBNAIL OF THIS VIDEO IS THE YOUNGEST CHILD OF WANTED AND FROGGER i went on a savenger hunt for 10 to find this video
12:45 made me laugh the hardest
I tried going out left side 1st point D once and actually physically shuddered and be turned around even though it cost me time
the use of the grenades had me hollering... lol, I genuinely hope this guy learns :)
I started on overwatch 2 and overall these videos have gotten me up to gold, instead of being in bronze, so i'd like to thank you for handing out tips, even though i won't be submitting any clips to you due to fear of my very tiny and fragile ego being crushed
This didn't age well
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Why
I haven't finished the video yet but I think he thinks the grenade is a flash grenade. To a new player I can kind of understand since it explodes with a white flash kind of effect.
21:30 I understand getting frustrated when your healer won't turn and look at you....but he's like six feet from spawn. He can walk over there in two seconds, even faster if he uses dodge roll. Instead he just stands there in the corner waiting for the Moira to heal him and then feeds when she ignores him.
Run through the entire enemy teams line of sight with 25 hp, wonderful advice. One stray shot thrown roughly at direction of their team and he's dead. Sitting there was definitly the better play, if he asked for healing it would've been perfect. Feeding out of frust is obviously dumb, but being held in spawn and then not healed while right next to your team is tilting and being tilted usually means bad decisions.
The Dva was also pretty consistently at around 60% health while the moira *and* the bap pumped all their healing into her. Standing out in the open trying to go shield-to-shield with reinhardt as DVA while getting blown up by Soldier and Junkrat will do that to a team.
The cheeky thing would have been to dodge-roll into all that healing getting pumped into Dva and just soak up the AoE goodness.
The first tip I always give new players is to play around in the training grounds. Knowing how to kill people is obviously important. Cassidy kills every squishy in the game with a body shot and a sticky. Those types of breakpoints are super important bc he misses so many picks from not knowing how his cooldowns work. Including his roll.
I want to see Flats review Flats' first OW game ever.
25:30 he thought there was a trap there I think