Survivor - What if Fire-Making Challenge Winners Lost
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2020
- In this video, I talk about what I think would have happened if the opposite result occurred for every Fire-Making Challenge in Survivor US history.
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What if people who got voted out with idols, played the idols
YES
I would like to also say two of my favorite players of all time are James and Ozzy. So is this partially so that I can see them go further in the game even if it's theoretical, yes.
I love this
Chris Noble lmao
@@joejoejoeil3165 he would’ve broken Kelley’s record for most votes nullified. Just imagine Chris plays his after Dom plays his legacy and then Wendell plays his and then Michael plays his and Libby gets idoled out and all the plays but Chris’s were a waste.
Something you didn’t take into consideration is that Devon is the one who took out Ben in this scenario. I think that gives him the edge.
There is no way in hell Ryan wins a F3 with Devon and Chrissy. It is either Devon and Chrissy.
It's Devon
It’s Ryan
It is so confirmed that Cirie wins Panama. From ARAS HIMSELF.
But in Panama, there was a final 2, and firemaking so even if Cirie beats Danielle, Cirie probably wouldn't win final immunity, Terry probably would.
@@callumswords1524 Terry lost badly at the Final Immunity and was out waaaay before Aras and Danielle even demonstrated struggle. Aras wins FIC, votes out Terry and Cirie wins.
@@thefoxoflaurels3437 I've said this on this guy's channel now so many times and he just refuses to acknowledge it. It's unbelievable. Aras does not beat Cirie.
@@yaboi912 Even though Aras hated Terry, he thought he was a goat (which he wasn't but Aras is stupid), so I wouldn't be surprised if he takes Terry, who he loses to even more badly than Cirie, only getting Cirie and "maybe" Danielle's vote. Either way I agree Aras was never winning. Of the Final 4 he only beats Danielle.
Cirie doesn't beat aras. That's like saying sandra beats fairplay....
I've heard that nobody was going to vote for Matty in Gabon because everyone thought he would waste the money. I actually think Susie wins.
Corrine is the one who said that but then added "but he still beats Susie and Sugar" right after saying that. Anyway Randy and Corrine HATED both Sugar and Susie, and liked Mattie decently enough, especialy Randy. There is no way both aren't voting Matty. Bob votes Sugar, although if he doesn't he votes Mattie; he is never voting Susie in that Final 3. So already the only way Susie wins is if by some miracle she sweeps Charlie, Marcus, Crystal, and Ken. She even loses 1 of those (I honestly think all 4 vote Mattie) then Mattie wins, even 3 of the 4 is not enough for Susie to win, especialy since Sugar and Susie would both 100% give a tiebreak vote win to Mattie over each other. Yeah it would take a huge miracle for Mattie to ever lose that Final 3.
I actually am pretty sure Mattie beats Bob with Randy, Ken, Crystal, Susie, but that is another topic.
Maybe you should do if quitters never quit
That would require thinking about if Colton stayed in Blood vs Water.
@@abhainnxv1554 I've actually been thinking about that. I think Colton goes home when the original Galang loses immunity. Unless they decide to keep him around as a pawn to take to end, but I feel like Colton was way too unpredictable to be kept around.
That is a great idea for a video.
This is a great topic! I think it would be cool if you made a video talking about all other possible outcomes from rock draws (e.g. what if Adam drew the rock in Millennials vs. Gen X)!
You also have to take into account more the performance of someone like Cydney in the final 3, I think she has much more sway, is articulate and I very well think she could have Debbie and Joe’s votes. I think Aubry was more of a target for Scot/Jason and although Cydney “betrayed” the two guys at least she could articulate why.
i think that amber wouldn’t have voted natalie, she said in her interview that she didn’t want to vote for someone who was voted out so i think sarah most likely won with a tossup for second place
Yeah, but from what we know Rob and Sarah did not get along at all. I can't see Rob voting Sarah to win and I can't see Amber voting differently than Rob, so she'd likely vote Natalie to win.
Very interesting with what would happen in a Sarah, Natalie, and Michelle final three. I think Sarah would take it cause I think she would use that Tony connection and say that they were making moves together and that they were 50/50 partners. I think Tony would back her up and more people would respect and vote for her.
I'd be curious to see how Tony would act as a jury member.
About Island of the idols - Jamal said in a reddit AMA that if janet or lauren made it to final three, they would've won
12:56 Wentworth was never voting for someone who got voted out and had to return. She votes for Gavin and with that comes Lauren. However, I do think Aurora is more inclined to vote for Rick Devens than she was for Chris
Since HHH, 4/6 of the fire winners have won the game
What I like about the Carolyn v Rodney is that they even mentioned it at the reunion where the jury themselves even showed Rodney sure got some votes but still lost to Mike
The funny thing is Will actually had 3 jury votes going into FTC but lost both Dan and Tyler with his bad FTC. He was going to do better than Rodney would have done I think, since I still think the 4 of Joe, Hali, Shirin, Jenn, all for sure vote Mike despite that they are all way higher on Rodney than Will (or probably Carolyn). With Carolyn no longer there, Sierra votes Mike, no way she is voting Rodney or Will. And the new final boot Carolyn definitely votes Mike over Rodney or Will. So despite that Rodney probably beats Will unanimously in a F2, Mike is probably certain to win more decisvely with both Rodney and Will there with him rather than Carolyn and Will.
I really love your videos ☺️ Sometimes other channels insert lots of Survivor clips into their vids which I realize takes a lot of editing work and I commend them for that but at times the quick changes in sound/setting/voices is a little too jarring and gives me sensory issues so it’s nice to just hear the same voice throughout 👍🏻
I think Rob votes for Sarah because he said that he didn't vote for Natalie because she didn't go to fire with Tony, and he said that was the move she had to make to get his vote.
Rob didn't like Sarah personally though, so I doubt it.
Rob and Amber both disliked Sarah. I think some of it comes from Sarah treating Andrea horribly on Game Changers and Rob and Andrea are good friends.
I do think Courtney votes for Cirie over Aras. She wasn't happy to be voting for Aras even over Danielle. I don't believe Courtney has said herself who she would have voted for
i would like to think if ben had lost people wouldn't be assholes to him, but i'm glad he did win so to hell with the haters and bullies
Amber votes Natalie
Danni votes Sarah
Ethan votes Natalie
Tyson votes Natalie
Rob votes Natalie
Parvati votes Natalie
Yul votes Sarah
Wendell votes Michele
Adam votes Michele
Sophie votes Sarah
Kim votes Sarah
Jeremy votes Natalie
Nick votes Michele
Denise votes Sarah
Ben votes Sarah
Tony votes Sarah
Sarah wins in a 7-6-3 vote.
If its this close, Nick still probably votes Sarah then. He said after WAW he wanted to vote michelle but didnt want nat to beat tony, so he probably does the same for Sarah. Also Adam being Adam probably prefers the game of Sarah to Michelle i’d say
No Rob would vote for Sarah If she beated Tony at fire
I don’t even want to think what would have happened if tony lost the fire challenge. I pray Sarah would have won because if Natalie did I would have ceased to be a survivor fan
1000% agree I would have been crushed
Sarah sucks
@@mandygrahams not at survivor
Natalie winning WaW would've arguably been the worst winner ever. Worse than Chris U imo, because she was voted out earlier, and didn't play the same game that Chris did when he came back. In the 6 (?) Days Chris was back, he played flawlessly. Being on the edge isn't playing survivor.
Would've been as catastrophic as Ozzy winning SoPa
I think Desi votes Devon, Cole votes Ryan, JP votes Chrissy, Joe votes Ryan, Lauren votes Devon, Ashley votes Devon, Mike votes Devon, and Ben votes Ryan.
Devon wins Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers in a 4-3-1 vote if he beats Ben in the fire making challenge.
I don't think Cole votes Ryan at all.
Good video do what happens if the winner was eliminated before final tribal council
Ashley has said that she would never vote Devon.
Ashley has had conflicting post show comments coming out of her ass like most of the cast. Like Joe has said he "definitely" votes for each of the hypothetical 3 on different instances.
Cydney absolutely beats Michele. There is no way in hell Joe votes Michele over Cydney. I don't think he even votes Michele over Tai. And it isn't even certain Michele wins the jury removal challenge.
Can you do a video on tiebreakers - their history, what-ifs if the other person got voted out instead (for instance, Rich instead of Sue on S1), as well as hypothetical tiebreaker situations? What I mean is, we’ve never seen a 1-1-1 or 1-1-1-1 vote before, any guesses on what would be done then? (I’m guessing fire challenge with everybody) or if there’s a 3-3-3 tie and a 2-2-2 tie on revote, what happens then with the discussion?
2 video ideas, what if the fire making twist never happened and what if the fire making twist always exsisted
OMG I WAS JUST GONNA COMMENT FOR YOU TO DO THIS BECAUSE ITS BEEN IN MY MIND FOR SO LONG LOL SO TY FOR THIS
Anyways a suggest for a video: what would happen if the first boot didnt get first boot and instead the person with the 2nd highest number of votes go home. How far would the first boot go?
@@thesuperfan2457 I mean that's fine lol
YES ANOTHER WHAT IF
Actually Scot said that he didn't vote for Aubrey because Cydney was actually the brains behind the allience so he and Jason could've voted for Cydney
I call post show BS revionism on that. The whole jury, including their "little sister" Julia, has confirmed Scot and Jason 100% vote Tai over both Cydney and Aubry in a F3 of Tai-Cydney-Aubry. The trio also celebrated visibly when Aubry beat Cydney in fire making, even though the trio hated Aubry at that point. Draw your own conclusions.
I do think Cydney beats Michele anyway though.
You should do a big brother what if series
I think in the 6-6-4 tie described for WaW Natalie and Michele bonded enough in those last days that Natalie wins.
Dude said DvG would be a 8-1-0 vote when it was a 10 person jury
I think Michele may even be less likely to get votes with Sarah there because they would assume natalie would get more votes and did not want to risk her winning
I talked with Jamal on Zoom, and he said he probably would've voted for Lauren (depending on final tribal). I feel like Tommy's best shot is 5-5 with the votes of Jack, Karishma, Janet, Dean, and Kellee. Even then, Noura becomes the tie breaker, and I think she sides Lauren
That's what I've been saying this whole time if Devon were in the final 3 but some of these people have been hypnotized by Chrissy
Another wrinkle with WaW is we don't know if just third place votes in a tie or third place and the people who voted for them.
11:25 In this situation, Wendell is forced to be in the orange seat
What if Kucha, heroes and Savaii won the merge tie breaker? (Any merge ties i missed?)
Please do ranking of all final jury members
You never get a 6-6-4 vote in a Final 3, the possible Michele votes mostly go to Sarah to ensure her winning.
Cirie 100% beats aras in final tribal council.
Your analysis of the HvHvH final tribal is also quite inaccurate. It is likely a 4-3-1 between Devon, Chrissy and Ryan respectively. Ryan was not respected by the jury: www.reddit.com/r/survivor/comments/hr8qxm/heroes_vs_healers_vs_hustlers_where_did_the/?
It has also been pretty much confirmed that Lauren would beat Tommy in a final 3 (Kellee, Jamal, Missy, Karishma, Elaine, Aaron).
You seem to really undervalue female finalists who go up against male ones.
I also think Sarah does beat Michele and Natalie at FTC.
Karishma does not vote Lauren, LMAO!! I doubt she would even vote Lauren in a F3 with Dean and Noura. She hated Lauren. She jumped up in celebration when Lauren lost the fire challenge. I do think Lauren quite likely beats Tommy though, especialy if we assume even if it goes to a tiebreaking vote Noura at 5-5 would give it to Lauren over Tommy.
No fire-making challenges from Tocantins - San Juan del Sur, the longest stretch in Survivor history without one
Have you ever watched sequester?
Aurora told me she votes for Rick if he is sitting at the end with Gavin and Julie.
What if the fire making twist was in every final 3 season prior to season 35
At the reunion Jeff asked the cast to see a show hands of who would have voted for Rodney if he was in the Final. Pretty sure Jen was for Rodney.
what if the lose of part 3 of every final HoH won?
jamal said on reddit that lauren would’ve swept the jury against anyone
Jamal's entire AMA was delusional as fuck so I wouldn't give it any credence at all. He said Tommy was a jury goat and Noura wasn't even though Noura got 0 votes in the actual F3 with Tommy where Tommy got 8 (and Elizabeth and Missy would not have voted Noura over Tommy either, which means in a F2, Tommy beats her 11-0 or 10-0 even though according to Dumb-mal, Noura was supposably not a goat and Tommy was). We know for almost certain that Dean, Janet (she says so herself), Karishma, and probably Jack (he also said so himself) vote Tommy over Lauren, so whether he beats her or not, he has 4 votes minimum probably. So the idea Lauren would sweep him is delusional. The idea Lauren would ever sweep Janet or Elaine is even more delusional.
@@douglasbrown5671 k
Danni has confirmed she would vote Sarah on twitter
What if every idol in survivor history was nullified?
I think Gabby possibly votes for Kara as you could tell she wanted to vote for a woman, but not Angelina, but that could also be because Angelina made it a point about the lack of females finding idols so that might not be karas platform, but I could see her flipping if nick is the clear winner
International Survivor:
(spoilers below)
Survivor SA Champions: Graham wins 6-4, picking up Sivu's 2 votes and Sivu voting Buhle.
Australian Survivor 2017: Whichever of Peter and Michelle wins final Immunity takes Tara to the end and wins, probably 7-2 or 8-1. Peter is the more likely of the 2 to pull it off.
Australian Survivor All Stars (Final 18): Lydia is voted back out next tribal, but going down the line Flick probably makes the merge and who knows what happens with the numbers being two close 6-6 groups.
Australian Survivor All Stars (Final 6): AK is voted out again next tribal, Brooke is voted out after that, David still wins final Immunity and cuts Moana, and wins 7-1-0 in a Final 3 with Sharn and Tarzan.
I think its definitely possible Scot & Kyle vote Cyd they had much more respect for Cyd than Aubry
They were super bitter at Cydney though, much more than they were at Aubry. In fact nearly the whole jury has confirmed Scot and Jason (plus Julia) were totally locked Tai votes in a Tai-Cydney-Aubry F3, and they already voted Michele over Aubry so it makes it pretty obvious they are voting Michele over Cydney. Unless you think they only didn't vote Tai in that other F3 since they wanted to make sure Aubry would lose, and with Julia voting Michele over Tai, figured Tai was getting no other votes.
Ryan winning a Chrissy-Devon-Ryan final three would absolutely never happen. Chrissy and Devon could talk circles around Ryan. We saw how disappointed the jury was with Ryan at tribal, I don't think that changes in that situation. Devon probably takes it but Chrissy is a close second.
1 wrong move with Palau is that if Bobby Jon makes F7 than the Koror most likely take out the “all women’s alliance” which Steph was apart of so I think Bobby Jon is probs 6th or 5th
Edit: also tbh Tai wins KR unanimously xd
I wish Lauren would’ve won and Cydney too
Most of the winners disliked Sarah on a personal level and wouldn't vote for her
How about a video What If the other person one part 3 of the BB HOH
*won
Scott said that he would’ve voted for Cydney if she made it to the final 3
What if Cirie won the fire making instead of Danielle?
If Tony lost fire making in winners at war then it would close between Natalie Sarah and michele but I think Sarah would've won by like 1 or 2 votes
Danni says Michele is not the type of winner she wants in the show, so i really think she would vote for Natalie in there F3
And if you continue this with 41-43; Erica still wins over Xander and Heather, Maryanne beats Jonathan and Romeo, and the only change in outcome is Jesse beats Cassidy and Owen unanimously.
What if rock draws didn't exist? (2 people who got votes go to fire)
Stephanie probably doesn’t come back for Heroes vs Villains
7:20 Not really. In real life, he won 6-1-1. In this scenario, he wins 6-2-0
12:30 *9-1. There were 10 jury members
What if the other tribe wins the last pre merge challenge.
Gretchen would've won Borneo.
@@kellydaunis elaborate
@@Marvlouso Pagong would've had 6 people to Tagi having 4 people. I feel like Gretchen was playing a great game, and she had a great social game as well.
I don’t know if this is too much of a one-off video, but I would be interested to hear what you think would have happened if Dan Spilo wasn’t removed
janet goes at final six, lauren goes at final five, noura wins final immunity and puts up dean and dan in fire where dean wins and tommy just has an extra jury vote
Oof, I think that would be quite an unpopular video. Perhaps if he combined this scenario with a bunch of other what ifs..
@@ariellee2329 Like what if everyone didn’t quit or something like that
What if Heather had beaten Deshawn?
if kara had beaten mike, i would like to think it would be between her and nick. angelina still wouldn't have a chance. i would also prefer a win from kara rather than nick if that were the case because i love kara
Lauren would win island of the idols by a landslide, I think she would get Elaine, Liz, Missy, Aaron, Jamal and Kellee
I think Nat wins WaW with Michele breaking the tie in Nat's favor
I find it very unlike that Wendell, Adam, Nick, and Danni all vote for Michele. Sarah probably stills wins, but not 12-4 like Tony did
Boston Rob already said that Natalie could have had his vote only if she had gotten rid of Tony in fire making herself. He wouldnt have voted for Natalie. Also dont think that Yul is the type to stay bitter.
I do think Michelle would vote out Scott, getting rid of a Tai vote. The nick and Neil whispers during tribal could help Neil to stay on the jury because nick might would vote for Michelle. But idk anything.
I don't think Tom takes Jenn over Katie. Jenn is a WAY bigger jury threat than Katie, just like Ian was. I do think in a Jenn vs Tom though Jenn might get more than 2 votes. She easily gets Coby and Gregg. That is just no question, even with the respect Greggy had for Tom he still votes for basically his showmance to win. Thinking of some others though, I think Caryn was super pro Jenn and she was bitter at Tom. I think she still votes Tom over Ian, but she liked Jenn better than Ian, so not sure where she goes with it being Jenn. Janu, Ian, and Katie are probably Tom votes, but I am not sure on Katie. If Tom just voted her out to take Jenn, I think there is a pretty good shot she votes Jenn, she liked Jenn a lot, and she would be bitter. Steph is always a Tom vote. I would guess Tom probably wins, but Jenn has atleast 4 possible votes. Oh yeah if Ian went out after Tom voting him at F4, he might consider voting Jenn too, espeicaly with Jenn beating him in fire to eliminate him.
Crystal is definitely voting for Matty over Susie
4:20 Most likely Aras wins the challenge
Wait what happened to yul on the edge
basically yul and someone else who just got voted off (either wendell or adam, i forgot) were going to get the water or something, but they took a long time because they were talking as they were getting it, so natalie basically blew up on them when they got back for taking so long
@@nizzle428 yeh it was Yul and Adam
@@nizzle428 lol what? Why? It's the edge, who cares? Also, source?
@@derekbroekhoven5498 someone talked about it on rob cesternino’s podcast. i forget if it’s yul or wendell, but it was someone
I think Sarah for sure will win the final 3 but Michele could probably beat Natalie and get close to sarah
I don't know who wins Lauren vs Tommy either but Karishma 200% votes Tommy over Lauren, it isn't even a question. She hated Laruen.
I think Tommy and Lauren would be a tie
Nat. A winning WaW would be the end of Survivor. Glad did not happen.
Yeah, that would've been just as bad as if Ozzy had won SoPa
I think Deven will beat Ryan
Early
aubry votes for tai in final 3
In that F3 probably not since she would know Tai stands no chance as she would be his only possible vote. She would rather Cydney win over Michele by far, so would vote Cydney.
I mean if you believe Jason and Scot's claims they vote Cydney over Michele (I think that is BS but whatever), when the entire cast has confirmed Jason and Scot vote Tai over Cydney and Aubry in that F3, that means both only voted Michele over Tai since they knew they were Tai's only votes in that F3 and wanted to make sure Aubry lost. The same would apply if Aubry was on the jury in a Cydney/Tai/Michele F3.
@@douglasbrown5671 Okay i gotcha, unless Scot and Jason voted for Tai with Aubry. I think for Tai to have won, he shouldn't have flipped on those guys and shoulda took them to the end.
lmao yeah michele easily votes for natalie over sarah in a tie breaking vote
Probably but it would never come down to that.
i think cydney gets less votes than aubry
Why would aras vote for terry if Aras votes him out at final 3
I think you just don’t like Chrissy, Chrissy will probably get Ashley JP and Mike’s vote, that’s three votes and I think he could’ve gotten Joe and Cole’s...
terry respected aras as a competitor which is why he voted for aras originally
Chrissy still wouldn't win you know
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Devon played a better game than Ryan? Where lmao
Devon was in the majority for the entire game, and Ryan just followed Chrissy after the merge
Everywhere
Natalie should’ve won again
would that be any different from chris underwood winning?
@@lafingscarecrow Natalie Actually did something unlike Chris
@@justinvanveenar2953 did chris not volunteer to make fire to take out rick devens?
@@lafingscarecrow I don’t like him ok...
@@lafingscarecrow did he use idols to take people out no he didn’t