Ex KKM doctor here. I left the system close to the 5 year mark. Many quit due to the toxic working environment. I for one have seen a junior colleague of mine who tried to kill himself as a result of being bullied. We used to hear bullying stories every other week. Sexual harassment, being verbally abused etc it was a mess! To top things off, there are superiors who identify and acknowledge this but refuse to change the system. Many doctors get into road traffic accidents due to burnout. Working 36 hours non stop is inhumane, imagine doing that twice a week! I have known 2 doctors who have passed due to accidents when travelling back from on call. One of them left a kid and a pregnant wife behind! The healthcare system COLLAPSED when COVID hit. Many strategies implemented now are temporising measures (also read: till the news cools off in the eye of the public). Countless number of doctors are leaving behind the public sector. I am starting to see my nursing/MA friends leave to other countries and I can’t be any happier for them. What saddens me is the population that depend on the public healthcare system are generally from a poorer socioeconomic background. They mostly do not speak up about issues faced. This is how the government gets away with it. Those who are financially well to do will depend on the private sector and the VVIPs will mostly get first class treatment when they come in. The people are paying the price for the collapse of the healthcare system, unknowingly.
Too many mp. Pension for mp is too much. Ppl in gov works for 30 years to get full pension. They goyang2 a while got pension edi. There is where most of the unnecessary spending goes.
As a medical officer in a public hospital, I can tell you that you are WRONG. The RM80/hour is not for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department. The other departments in the hospital is still RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 per hour You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR. My colleague are leaving KKM left, right and center. Around 3 - 4 MOs quit every week in a tertiary center at a hospital I worked in. This is how our MOH treats our doctors, it will inevitably collapse.
I think there is a hidden deliberate intentional agenda to gradually transitioning our public healthcare system to private sector by deliberate ly making the public one failed,suck and collapsed eventually in the hope that people moving away from public to private sector...Lessen the financial burden of the gov in this sector by letting the private taking over the whole healthcare system in the future
Yes our hourly salary is too low.. not to mention when workload is too much, need to stayback for so lonh after our shift ended to properly passover... better work at speedmart la if like this
KKM doctor in the midst of my master's journey here. I kindly ask for your understanding when a government doctor suggests seeking private services or mentions something similar. The reality is that many doctors are genuinely sacrificing their mental and physical health to manage the current load. Since the relevant authorities haven't provided adequate solutions, we must develop our own strategies to cope. Please be prepared with a medical card as well. I hope the public will support us in urging politicians to prioritize education and health in their policies. Remember, we, the rakyat, rely on local hospitals, unlike some politicians who seek treatment abroad.
@@ZaZulu Sure Miryad , 1. have you done your research on the migration process? because we Drs know it, and if it's as simple as that , then there wouldn't be many around. and besides money, some of us actually want to serve and build a better nation. 2. Why would I compare my pay coming from a developing country to those countries that you have stated? 3. Can you enlighten me which industry are you coming from and if you are a local or foreigner?
@@ZaZulu Our medical qualification is not recognised by the Ministry of health in Singapore except doctors graduated from UM or UKM until you are a board recognised specialist. There we go again, how to get specialised when you are a contract doctor? 😂 Mampus lah ni.
Yeap. We're thankful for your concern. But our oncall rate is lesser than my cleaner per hour. Plus subspecialists consultants are paid the same as specialist. Good luck malaysian, in 5 years time, the health system might run out of doctors.
There may be many doctors who are lacking in training. I broke my heel bone, went to this young doctor in a poliklinik in JB, and after xray, he told me there are no bone fractures in your foot. I told him that when I fell i heard a "Kruuut" cracking sound. He said just take painkiller and anti inflammation pills and go home to rest. The next day, I got this naggy feeling that I should get a 2nd opnion. I went to Pantai hospital, and the Orthopedic doctor told me "You have multiple bone fracture". The doctor used the same Xray from the day before and said even the xray showed it. So bascially that doctor in JB looked at the xray and didn't know how to read and diagnose it.
Awesome content with lots of truth and facts stated here! The uncertainty in career progression and the indifferent attitude of MoH towards contract doctors are what drive them away from government service! Praised us as national heroes during covid era and even promised permanent positions for us. All sweet words and empty promises as always. Most of them who left are passionate in serving the people but sadly the government dismissed them like disposables. There are even lesser vacancies now for house officers, this means that the work burden is even higher for those in service. My respect to those who are still in service, pray that good changes are coming sooner than later.
Thankyou mr Money for highlighting this. I am a MO in gov secondary hospital, and we are struggling though the days and oncall with lack of manpower from bottom to top. Whole team struggling to breath in the hectic schedule. MO need to cover HO job also which is not feasible at all . System collapsing already unless proper measure that can solve the root cause problems implemented. Graduated medical student no more aiming to train in Malaysia but overseas, Mo, specialist and subspecialist leaving for better pay position in private and even over seas. Policymakers should look into this matter propmtly or else more doctors leaving .
Main Problems: 1. Low budget allocation for the KKM (due to overbudgeted and high redundancy of other departments) 2. Bureaucracy under KKM and JPA is messy to say the least. 3. Toxic work cycle (Consultant bully specialist, specialist bully MO, MO bully HO > Nurse sassy throughout)
Good video to let the public know more about the hardship of doctors. Hopefully the finance ministry get more of this kind of video to know the healthcare system is so chronic. Then they will allocate more money to improve our healthcare that everybody will get the benefits
you think all the warship we purchased is for show only to keep anchored in Lumut? the patrol our oceans, and going out on the seas will wear and tear the hulls and other key component. of course they need spare parts, how stupid can you be?
When i was a medical officer serving in the rural area of Sarawak without a hospital, I had to do oncall for 6-7 months per year. No life. I got sick every month but had to continue my oncall as my clinic only has 2 Drs, and my partner was postcall.
In Malaysia lorry drivers can make more than doctor. With 3 years experience and an advanced diploma they can make rm8000 per month driving trailers for interstate logistics
1. Govt bo lui yet waste money on stealth LCS 2. Govt cannot run any enterprise properly, eg. Doctor doing fire evacuation procedure 3. Answer is private public partnership. Govt allocate an amount of money to a rofit driven private hospital and offer health care to the public.
You need to do a FACT CHECK. RM 80/hour is NOT for ONCALL rates, ONCALL RATES is RM9/HOUR. As a medical officer in a public hospital, I can tell you that you are WRONG. The RM80/hour is NOT for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department. The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 PER HOUR You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
The parents should learn Sun Tze art of war, 'When everybody enter, you exit, when everybody exit, you enter'. 1000 years old wisdom but still applicable now.
I liked that i see many private clinics popping up in my area. These are regular family doctors that probably not meet with your definition of high quality doctor. But for me if they are competent, ethical and kind then it is enough. Only very small percentage of us that need dr house. These clinics competes to give the best value for their patients.
Firstly , the oncall rate has not been increased to Rm 80 an hour , that is only for locum which has very limited slots. (which has been Rm 80 for some time now )The compulsory oncall still stays at roughly Rm9 an hour , efforts has been made by MMA and other organisation to increase it but it was shut down by the government Second issue with the contract , as doctor in the government before the contract system , houseofficer starts of as UD 41 for 2 years and subsequently move on the UD 44 for 3 years and they move on to UD 48 with significant pay rise. But for the contract system , it stays at UD43 indefinitely without the basic salary increment for the grade and even if they are offered permanent posts they would need to work FOR ANOTHER 3 years from the date as a permanent staff to become UD 48 REGARDLESS of the years in service prior to that hence there is a large pay difference between permanent staff and contract staff even though they might be in service for the same amount of time doing the exact same job
Millennial here. I noticed government doctor working condition when I was a little kid when I was admitted to the government hospital. My ambition at the time is to become eye specialist doctor but knowing the doctor working condition, I change my mind to become other than doctor. Fast forward, I'm an FPGA engineer now in a MNC and has working hour flexibility + WFH. Paid handsomely too. I hope that our health care system improves. I just saw one of my friend got an offer letter for permanent position in government hospital. I guess only time will tell.
one thing for sure is due to our increasing inflation and diminishing MYR to USD rate, drug prices all hike like nobody business, our country healthcare had not enough money for certain drugs. For example, currently there is insulin shortage in whole government. We are forced to reserve insulin to those whom in need. FYI insulin is around rm150 per pen. Usually last for a month. This doesnt look good when our country is one of the top diabetic patients in south east asia.
Its so true. My daughter quit her ho 2 years back and head off to uk. Even though she has to renew her visa once a year. Its much much better in the uk compared to here. Her shift over there is only 12 hours that also makes her nervey already. What more the shift here. Its 32 hours. She replaces her loneliness living in uk by travelling with friends and frequently coming home for family bonding
core reason why all essential services like healthcare, soldiers, teachers, Firefighters Policemen etc. are underpaid? Too many obsolete government departments, no one to do the hard decision of closing them down. What the core role of the government is forgotten. Which ones you ask? start with the ones with a excessive long names and nobody heard off many overlapping departments for sure.
Unfairness happens everywhere. Being a doctor can die during work, being a badminton player can die during match, construction worker can die and nobody care. Entrepreneur works beside sleep, stress and being humiliated all the time. All occupation has their challenges, some chose to.protest, some chose to find solutions.
@@de0509 'My papa and mami said being doctor is good because high salary, work easy, prestigious and more importantly golden bowl.' **society slap in the face** 'we have to protest to make this right'
@@de0509If that is not obvious enough, (Manage your expectations) is the answer. We are in economy downturn and transformation. Many occupations and industries are not as easy or profitable as before. At least our government understand we have more serious issues to deal with rather than wasting taxpayer's money. Those who complain not enough will never be enough. Even raised to 5 figures will then leave for 6 figures. GH is just a stepping stone. If you dont want the job, somebody can replace you. More graduating soon. A bit of society and economy 101. Happening everywhere, all the occupations. If you are capable enough, I am pretty sure you will have your place. If you can not accept, can consider change job like others.
outside it looks like gov is doing something, but thr r lots of hidden perks. force specialised parallel pathway to be bonded, to restart from square 1, acreditation issues.
RM200 or 220 per day not RM80/hr (even private dont pay that). Medical service has snow ball effect, good doctors train good generation of doctors. Like it or not, medicine is like army, the training curve is very step and it is not a cup of tea for everyone. Multiple complaints from junior doctors in early 2010’s that hit the news made many senior doctors not motivated to teach (afraid also being blamed to be bully). No teaching leads to poor training. Compounded with oversupply. I remember the supply was so much that some wards had more doctors than patients in some hospital (circa 2005-2010). Also sad for doctors, in 2020, were called First liner, Hero etc. Pandemic over, everything forgotten. With limited money, one of things can be done is shaving off unnecessary staff from other governmental institutions to balance more staff for medical.
Addendum: 1.) Oncall rate is not RM 80 /hour It is RM200 total for weekdays, RM220 total for weekends or PH. Which divides into RM8.3/hr for weekdays and RM9.1/hr for weekend and PH.(imagine not even double pay on PH😂) 2.) No 2- the RM80/hr is the locum rate which are hard to come by. Maybe you wil get 4 hours every month or other month(depending on specialties) - that amounts to around RM320 every month/other month #sadtruth
Finding the root cause always is the wise solutions for many problems here, doctor’s workload is getting high not because of works alone but people like us. Changing in people’s lifestyle is major factor to this is in my opinion. I might be wrong but we overlooked at this point. Doctors need a work life balance too like the rest of us.
During masters programme. Work still jalan. You do not have the luxury of sitting at home or class in uni to study. Cuti tahunan kena catu also. Other than money, i feel the people in KKM does not have a clue how to manage the issues. I dont think they really understand the issues happening at operation ie: tertiary hospitals, kk and etc
Totally miserable; doctors especially junior doctors were not just seeing patients; but also doing other jobs including sending specimen, become pseudotherapist (to compensate physiotherapist) also.
As a doctor myself, Tbh those who went to good medical school or not all become the same when they start housemanship. It all comes down to own personality, passion and strong will to persevere the tough training environment.
Not to talk about the government simply just stopping houseman to all hospitals except major hospital of each state. So that means all the MOs in most hospital are currently Houseman + MO. Long working hours is killing us. Lack of manpower in most hospital currently.
Nah. Malaysia healthcare system is a lost cause. Funding is not the only main issue. Government is just simply too slow to act. You can pinching so much money, cut spending here and there, but you cannot produce specialists overnight. Without training and incentives, we didn’t produce enough young specialists and the senior ones go private to make more money. This just add more burden to government HCW and the vicious cycle continues. Healthcare privatization is on its way
Doc here, 14 years in KKM. - The environment in KKM hosp is paternalistic, as is in any other fields in Malaysia or Asia for that matter. Not entirely a bad thing if u ask me considering the nature of our work - Working conditions are tough and can be exhausting physically and mentally. But if u look at it as a glass half full, it can also be rewarding. I mean, there are not many jobs out there where you can actually say 'I have served my country' proudly - the training is tough for a reason. You cant afford to make mistakes. Granted many a times it is too tough for many esp the young ones. But hey, take it as you may - the pay is ok, not rich definitely, but enough to live comfortably. If getting rich is what you are after, then you are in the wrong profession. - the field is not always green when you resign as an MO. It is tough out there. Heck even as a sp it doesnt suddenly rain money - i used to look down on people who resign from KKM to private sector. But as i grow older I understand the reason why most choose to resign. Everyone has prorities in life, and you only have one life. - furthering study to become a sp is tough - u work as u study, no such thing as buat master n cuti - . To further subspecialise will req you to sacrifice more n more of your own time, energy, money and so on. It is insane if you think bout it. - a lot of room for improvement esp in KKM yes, but most of the time it is not as bad as what is potrayed. - i cant speak for all the contract juniors. But i can say this job is rewarding if you are honest and sincere in helping people to get back on their feet, health wise.
I like your comment, we stay our moto, kami sedia membantu (if u ready).. tgok area hospital jugak, if tngah bandar mmng rabak, if pendalaman skit, not 24hr bz la..
I like this comment.. Even I dah practice private, but my years of service in KKM & gov hospitals still a great memory & shape me what a doctor i am today..
The on call allowance has not increased to RM 80 /hr as mentioned in your video. It is for the limited locum (part-time) slots in the emergency department & health clinics.
80/h is the LOCUM rate at max 5h - that is not a guaranteed slot/tugas hakiki and are few and not available to all depts ie not an oncall so outside mandatory hours
Being a medical therapist is also worst. You have bachelor degree for ages, but still hold a diploma position. Those with master and phd are more useless.
There is no increase in on call. It is still the same price. Medical officer RM200 for weekday 5pm to 8am, and RM220 for weekend 8am to 8pm. Simple math tells you this is RM10/hour. The so called “increase” mentioned is for locum. Very few slots, for certain department only. This rate has always been there at same rate. So to say there is an increase in rate if on call is not true.
Nowadays if you don't have company medical benefit, it's a must to have own medical card insurance / takaful. Government hospital can't cope with overwhelming number of patients
One of the ex houseman here, quit during pandemic 2021, bully, toxic environment, burnout. Got depressed. Decided to quit without thinking, had no feeling whatsoever during the process of quitting despite objection by parents and superior. Just wanna quit and rest. Few months later, in the news, one houseman found dead in Penang. Well... Being a doctor in Malaysia sucks.
Mind you, mid 2010s was when Malaysia has to start paying SRC. In other words, the IMDB debacle. Hence, the extreme cut in budget. Casualty, among them, the doctors.
Easy, when economy bad, education and public health budget always cut first. When economy good those 2 last priority. But politition salary never go down whatever happens to the country.
I agree. Malaysia need to charge higher fees for KK in interstate. RM1 can't buy anything. Neighbouring countries are paying more. Look at Singapore, even pensioners are paying for the medical treatment in government hospitals. Consider their salaries, monthly allowances, housing, food, etc. comes to a hefty sum. Medicines too are costly, l was asked to pay for my own eyedrop yesterday. I agreed as l know of one patient from HSI getting RM580,00 monthly steroids for her nerves problem. It's for life & she is in mid 40's. From KPJ dhe jumped to gov. as insurance refused to pay after two years. Now we are all very smart. Run to gov. Y not. Insurance still continue but medical treatment from kpj to gov. What's the point of paying rm300 monthly on medical insurance. No logic.
You need to do a FACT CHECK. As a medical officer in a public hospital, I can tell you that you are WRONG. The RM80/hour is not for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department. The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 per hour You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
Mr Money TV please try looking into Architects in Malaysia, and other players of construction industry. You'll find doctor is good enough. At least doctor's 2.9k starting pay is wayyy better than jr architect's 2.1k, in penang.
Good enough? Do you want to check the working hours of a government doctor vs architect? just last week i was working 80+hrs/week plus after work compulsory CME /presentations to prepare. We get two weekends off a month compared with architects? plus public holidays you have to work if youre oncall. Compare the amount of money spent to study medicine vs architecture? The amount of litigation/responsibility in the workplace? scaling in salary for junior doctors? My friend who is an architect the same age as me is earning 2k+ more than me in Penang?
Public Health Service is overloaded. Foreign workers, tourists all utilise our Public Health Service at a very cheap price. Even cheaper if compared to their countries.
SG doctor here. When i was in year 3 of working (medical officer), I worked w a Malaysian consultant who came to SG for better prospects. My pay was SGD 6k. Guess what her pay as a consultant was- MYR 6k. Blew my mind. For the number of years of study and practice, amount of time, loss of sleep and sweat put in, no wonder she left. Don't harp to us that this should be our calling, as if a calling should make us immune to lack of appreciation, and unreasonable remuneration.
Not just medical professions, most of other professions also the same. Kalau kerja kilang, you may standing continuously 12 hours, crane operator duduk dalam crane sepanjang hari, engineer kerja Sabtu Ahad, lorry drivers tidur dalam lorry, salesman kena reject, Bomba hadapi bahaya api, and many more.
But all those other professions that you mentioned don't require long,tedious, hard and expensive undergraduate training..do they? 😂 enlighten us please.
@@alinahMQuantum I do not say medic is easy, but other professional degree like account, architecture, engineering, law, PhD and many more also not easy.
Leaving KKM has given me so much of my life back. What's the point of working at a rate of RM9.90 for 33 hours straight. Money all go to people in between. Funding for treatments also lower each year
Sad part is often doctors are sued for negligence trying to save patients albeit with poor outcome. I know off the bat, patients and their families gets sympathy from judge and jury but you really need to understand that all the good, all the hundreds or thousands of CPRs the good doctor did succesfully, one failed not only the individual doctor gets punished, the whole fraternity feels the brunt due to skyrocket medical indemnity fees. Judges tend to listen to expert witness from academic background rather than those clinical hands on doctors perhaps due to more impressive background and presentation eventhough most of it are datas and theories. Judges and lawyers need to watch Tom Hank movie Sully to understand this.
the racial biased system ruined everything. all the chinese and indian need to be the top scorer to be qualified to be a doctor but a bunch of malay who took the same path can't get good score so they can't graduate and will waste all their years of studies so the system change their final graduation exam into a group assignment assigning one chinese or indian in each group to carry those unqualified malay to graduate to be a rubbish doctor later. after all these rubbish doctor joined the medical field, eventually the overall quality of doctor profression will drop drastically. i'm not saying all malay depend on other races to graduate as a doctor since one out of a thousand there are still some smart malay people but i can surely say most of them graduated this way. you might think that i hate malay but actually i'm not and i know this is because i knew someone handling related issues and i've seen most of the wealthy malay people who need a serious surgery don't even find or trust their own malay doctors. i'm personally okay with malay doctor if i go to a family doctor to get some cough or fever medicine. touch wood if i'm in a goverment hospital can't choose then i have no choice but if i'm in a private hospital i will definitely choose a chinese or an indian doctor.
Ex kkm dr here. I’ve a feeling specialists do not want the number of specialists to increase. Bc they are literally currently being treated like god. They’re invincible. They can harass junior Dr (even sexually) and worst thing can happen is pindah departmemt or hospital. Bc demand for specialist is high and always high.
You need to do a FACT CHECK. As a medical officer in a public hospital, I can tell you that you are WRONG. The RM80/hour is not for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department. The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 per hour You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR. Please correct it in your video.
Nice.. What's your take on engineers? Growing up as a millennial, I always heard older people tell me be doctor, engineer or lawyers but nowadays if I go online, it's always the doctors and engineers that I see complain say they are under paid.
it is not whether 'best' or not, it is whether you have 'passion' in it or not. any job without passion = suffering. any job you have passion = tough but fun. so, don't force your kids on any profession, check their passion first or you will be forcing your child to enter a suffering life.
You need to do a FACT CHECK. As a medical officer in a public hospital, I can tell you that you are WRONG. The RM80/hour is not for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department. The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 per hour You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
If those patients can't pay.. you'll be looking the unhealthiest, death-ridden country in southeast asia. Death tolls would be on the most rise in Malaysian history, marriage and childbirth of the population on all time low (who can afford it in this economy if they can't even buy insulin pen right NOW?) More foreign workers will be brought in to compensate for the lack of local talents or death of local workers (because they died or they choose to work overseas. Either way, we lose them) and so much people would be in debt just to pay for those hospital bills.
Poor governance and short vision made all professions collapse, why most students are going for medical school? There are many professions that we can’t find people to fill in but we have too many doctors who are earning a small salary in the government hospitals?
@@silvarajoomuniandy4316 what they matter most is their pockets neither for the people nor the country just like what the new President of Argentina have said most politicians are the culprits who oppress the people and steal as much they could from the country, that’s why in the Bible God already warned people not to have a King and we shall only worship God and not these politicians but yet men refused to obey God instead they trusted men more than God, in some cases men used God’s name to control their people for their own gain, very sad 😞
You need to do a fact check. As a medical officer in a public hospital, I can tell you that you are WRONG. The RM80/hour is not for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department. The other departments in the hospital is still RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 per hour You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
You need to do a FACT CHECK. RM 80 is NOT for oncall rates. As a medical officer in a public hospital, I can tell you that you are WRONG. The RM80/hour is not for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department. The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 per hour You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR. Please correct it in your video.
Malaysia has neglected the top Doctor Who graduated and have the highest skill for the new generation. Most of it are now ending up in Europe, not in Malaysia sadly. - Malaysia negligently neglected the doctor for years
When I was a new joiner at a tech mnc company, I too had to work outside of my jobscope. Eg: Organize the dept teambuilding, help to purchase IT equipment for the whole team ... etc.
Imagine yourselves working without any rest from 8am till next day 1pm, and you only get rm200 for this. This is what working oncall day like now in gov hosp! The rm80 is for locum only which doesn't apply to hospital senario!
The whole mess starts in medical school. Poor quality med education with poor quality students. The resulting poor quality would inevitably be the end result.
Do allow me to correct a small mistake that you had mentioned on 6:59. It is locum hour rate, not ONCALL hour rate. Locum is to encourage Dr to work extra hour in ED to cope the high patient flow in ED, in which not every Dr are compulsory to take up locum, you want extra money, you work locum. But ONCALL is compulsory for Drs, with the rate of RM200 for 24 hours active call, or RM80-140 for 24 hours of passive call. No hourly rate for ONCALL. Worst part is if you oncall on a weekday, you are expected to function as normal human being who had 8 hours of deep sleep the next working day. 😢
All the new initiatives mentioned is not a new thing, it was already done and announced like a new thing and some still need to be rephrased and explained plus fact check. and the permanent offer doesn’t fixed the debilitating discrepancy of doctor salary from contract batch compared to their colleague before contract system hence solving nothing as well. The dr who receive permanent offer is continously underpaid in this already so sooo underpaid system. And with staff leaving the services and more miscellaneous task on top of new treatment modalities we can offer to our pt, the whole compensation, work schedule which has no regulation on to what frequency per month we can do oncall (some place at times selang sehari oncall), the way the system now, is a mockery and inhumane to an the already highly adaptive dr. So many staff dies to and from work due to accident, children left in the car, staff walking with iv drips to attend patients. But the system remains because if a doctor collapse, the other dr regardless will cover the days cause we would not leave the shift and our pt unattended. That is a perfect morale blackmail in action.
Since the nature of medical officers task depends on their level of experience and skills and not limited to their grade, the audacious action of current system to offer similar grade and pay to professional whom u know have experience which surpasses the pay grade is something u can see in malaysia system as well. And this is only one factor. wages is mathematic and pretty clear cut. Not to mention other factors. I think as of now, it is our pt which makes us wanna do more as we focus on our work and the legendary specialist we can learn from, are what kept us buffered. Tho eventually if this is not fixed stat, u’ll get more distracted, burnout drs and staffs and it will eventually led to unsafe hospital or worse, total collapsed of public health.
Note: thank you for taking initiative to highlight on the issue, the issue is pretty massive and debilitating, do keep up the effort to explore deeply on this matter, it may be helpful to open the eyes of many including the one in the system whom all too caught up with duties to even realised this is happening.
I am a doctor from Aussie/NZ, although we have our challenges and problems, but we don't have nonsense like these. The solutions are simple, just follow/copy how we run our medical schools and health systems, simple as that.
@@Dennisa9 you are absolutely wrong. Malaysia do like to copy. To copy bad things. To compare bad things with other countries instead of good things. For example, they will compare with countries like Myanmar, Cambodia, Indonesia, The Philippines but do not like to compare with countries like the UK, Japan and especially Singapore, our neighbor.
You need to semi-privatised the public hospital with the help of EPF to invest the fund and use the monetary benefits to pay the healthcare workers and also upgrading the facilities of the hospital. If not, nobody wants to work lol. Please refer to the SG Medisave and Medishield
Doctors are not fire fighters that can just take up water host and start spraying. I am not saying fire fighters are not professional but doctors are in dire situation and cannot train surgents within a short time. How to find replacement? At one time those who are in the final year are called to help in hospital and this is bad. At the rate we are going, we can't face another healthcare pandemic😢
not just doctors, majority of the healthcare staffs are treated like crap both from the superior management and the public.. its better to migrate and make money elsewhere if you can.
You need to do a FACT CHECK. RM 80/hour is NOT for ONCALL rates, ONCALL RATES is RM9/HOUR. As a medical officer in a public hospital, I can tell you that you are WRONG. The RM80/hour is NOT for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department. The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 PER HOUR You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
It's great that you're discussing the profession of doctors in Malaysia. However, I'm puzzled as to why doctors often talk about their fees being high and expect high salaries to compensate for their study costs. In any healthcare profession, or any life-saving profession, there should be a passion for saving lives first. During the COVID-19 crisis, many professionals like police officers, ambulance drivers, nurses, radiographers, and military personnel stepped up because it was a matter of crisis. So why should only doctors feel they deserve extra compensation? Honestly, I think many people pursue a career as a doctor for potential earnings rather than a passion for the job. Regarding the 5-year contract, I don't see it as a problem. A 5-year contract provides job security, and with good performance, it will be extended. This is similar to many professions in the private sector. Many other critical professions, both globally and in Malaysia, require candidates to take study leave to specialize, and they don't expect the government to pay for their studies and offer a salary. It's a misuse of taxpayers' money to expect the government to fund studies through scholarships and also provide salaries. The number of universities offering medicine and other healthcare programs should be controlled in terms of quality and quantity, which unfortunately doesn't always happen here. Like every other job in Malaysia, being a doctor is not easy, but if you love what you do, then money should not be the main objective.
You need to do a FACT CHECK. RM 80/hour is NOT for ONCALL rates, ONCALL RATES is RM9/HOUR. As a medical officer in a public hospital, I can tell you that you are WRONG. The RM80/hour is NOT for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department. The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 PER HOUR You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
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Ex KKM doctor here. I left the system close to the 5 year mark.
Many quit due to the toxic working environment. I for one have seen a junior colleague of mine who tried to kill himself as a result of being bullied. We used to hear bullying stories every other week. Sexual harassment, being verbally abused etc it was a mess! To top things off, there are superiors who identify and acknowledge this but refuse to change the system.
Many doctors get into road traffic accidents due to burnout. Working 36 hours non stop is inhumane, imagine doing that twice a week! I have known 2 doctors who have passed due to accidents when travelling back from on call. One of them left a kid and a pregnant wife behind!
The healthcare system COLLAPSED when COVID hit. Many strategies implemented now are temporising measures (also read: till the news cools off in the eye of the public).
Countless number of doctors are leaving behind the public sector. I am starting to see my nursing/MA friends leave to other countries and I can’t be any happier for them.
What saddens me is the population that depend on the public healthcare system are generally from a poorer socioeconomic background. They mostly do not speak up about issues faced. This is how the government gets away with it. Those who are financially well to do will depend on the private sector and the VVIPs will mostly get first class treatment when they come in.
The people are paying the price for the collapse of the healthcare system, unknowingly.
New gov..still crap..fail nation
I am just wondering if there is an excess of doctors then why are doctors still required to do on calls?
Why still need on call, very low allowance to get.
Doctor to get low salary high risk and high responsibility.
@@MrWoonsterNo money to employ more
high tuition + schooling fee, long working hours, low salary, harsh working environment. What is the future of our healthcare system
No problem. We have UK, SG, AU
on the drain
AI going to replace human doctors
Haha sure..whatever😂@@titusphilip1310441
Too sacrificial....
Too many mp. Pension for mp is too much. Ppl in gov works for 30 years to get full pension. They goyang2 a while got pension edi. There is where most of the unnecessary spending goes.
well said... reduce the mp salary incl. allowance and hire more doctors
@@akanephysic thats the way how it should be but i doubt that anwar will implement it
@@akanephysicstupid suggestion. Suggestion that is purely based on emotion and jealousy
@@mohdazminishak6387so does your reply, you didn’t provide any counter arguments
100% agree
As a medical officer in a public hospital,
I can tell you that you are WRONG.
The RM80/hour is not for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department.
The other departments in the hospital is still
RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays
RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 per hour
You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
My colleague are leaving KKM left, right and center.
Around 3 - 4 MOs quit every week in a tertiary center at a hospital I worked in.
This is how our MOH treats our doctors, it will inevitably collapse.
I think there is a hidden deliberate intentional agenda to gradually transitioning our public healthcare system to private sector by deliberate ly making the public one failed,suck and collapsed eventually in the hope that people moving away from public to private sector...Lessen the financial burden of the gov in this sector by letting the private taking over the whole healthcare system in the future
Rm9 per hour? Dishwashers in Sg can make Sgd10 per jam.
Bro, Indonesian maid earns more than you.
Yes our hourly salary is too low.. not to mention when workload is too much, need to stayback for so lonh after our shift ended to properly passover... better work at speedmart la if like this
KKM doctor in the midst of my master's journey here. I kindly ask for your understanding when a government doctor suggests seeking private services or mentions something similar. The reality is that many doctors are genuinely sacrificing their mental and physical health to manage the current load. Since the relevant authorities haven't provided adequate solutions, we must develop our own strategies to cope. Please be prepared with a medical card as well. I hope the public will support us in urging politicians to prioritize education and health in their policies. Remember, we, the rakyat, rely on local hospitals, unlike some politicians who seek treatment abroad.
Quit your job as simple as that. Migrate oversea or nearest SINGAPORE.
How much are doctors paid in India, Pakistan and Indonesia....?
@@ZaZulu Sure Miryad ,
1. have you done your research on the migration process? because we Drs know it, and if it's as simple as that , then there wouldn't be many around. and besides money, some of us actually want to serve and build a better nation.
2. Why would I compare my pay coming from a developing country to those countries that you have stated?
3. Can you enlighten me which industry are you coming from and if you are a local or foreigner?
@@ZaZulu Our medical qualification is not recognised by the Ministry of health in Singapore except doctors graduated from UM or UKM until you are a board recognised specialist. There we go again, how to get specialised when you are a contract doctor? 😂 Mampus lah ni.
You need to do fact check. On call rate is not RM80/hour. It is RM200/day for weekday >15 hour and RM220/day for weekend 24 hour on call.
oncall rate rm10/hour tauu. sama kerja mcm org kerja kat 7e and pump station.
He indeed need a lot of fact check; Last time also trigger kpm too
Construction workers also 200 ringgit a day but work only 8 hours
@@titusphilip1310441 source: trust me bro
Yeap. We're thankful for your concern. But our oncall rate is lesser than my cleaner per hour.
Plus subspecialists consultants are paid the same as specialist.
Good luck malaysian, in 5 years time, the health system might run out of doctors.
Took a five min break after studying for upcoming professional exam
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@@nutellacookie931 can quit if u are only year 1.. no point doing this
@@gerardlim5132 I am a year 3 dental student HAHA guess it was not as bad as dr 🤣
@@nutellacookie931 good luck on ur journey as dentist!
There may be many doctors who are lacking in training. I broke my heel bone, went to this young doctor in a poliklinik in JB, and after xray, he told me there are no bone fractures in your foot. I told him that when I fell i heard a "Kruuut" cracking sound. He said just take painkiller and anti inflammation pills and go home to rest. The next day, I got this naggy feeling that I should get a 2nd opnion. I went to Pantai hospital, and the Orthopedic doctor told me "You have multiple bone fracture". The doctor used the same Xray from the day before and said even the xray showed it. So bascially that doctor in JB looked at the xray and didn't know how to read and diagnose it.
I have news for you Mr Money TV. Nearly ALL JOBS in Malaysia suck and pay like crap. We are severely underpaid while prices of everything go up.
Hahahaha dun la so pessimistic la. Got good jobs also, met many who are doing well.
@@MrMoneyTVso call good job, it is foreign rate
Only public sector is poor. Private sector still okay. Govt should just pay private sector to manage healthcare in the country.
We are in a middle income trap nation bro . Since 2003 we stuck for 21 years
You are wrong. The vet industry is blooming...lol
Awesome content with lots of truth and facts stated here! The uncertainty in career progression and the indifferent attitude of MoH towards contract doctors are what drive them away from government service! Praised us as national heroes during covid era and even promised permanent positions for us. All sweet words and empty promises as always.
Most of them who left are passionate in serving the people but sadly the government dismissed them like disposables. There are even lesser vacancies now for house officers, this means that the work burden is even higher for those in service.
My respect to those who are still in service, pray that good changes are coming sooner than later.
Thankyou mr Money for highlighting this. I am a MO in gov secondary hospital, and we are struggling though the days and oncall with lack of manpower from bottom to top.
Whole team struggling to breath in the hectic schedule. MO need to cover HO job also which is not feasible at all . System collapsing already unless proper measure that can solve the root cause problems implemented.
Graduated medical student no more aiming to train in Malaysia but overseas, Mo, specialist and subspecialist leaving for better pay position in private and even over seas.
Policymakers should look into this matter propmtly or else more doctors leaving .
The best career in Malaysia is politician
Ya..can SAKAU !
Like Dr Akmal Saleh
Just goyang² kaki salary paid every month with all the benefits.😂😂
Just study agama , jadi ketua kampong and join politics.
@@sarasalleh3442 A job where the monthly allowance higher than basic salary :)
MP can get RM4k pension per month (without working) after serving for one term. Doctors got RM9 per hour when they work overtime.
Politicians with Janji Capati...
Politicians with darjah 6.
Main Problems:
1. Low budget allocation for the KKM (due to overbudgeted and high redundancy of other departments)
2. Bureaucracy under KKM and JPA is messy to say the least.
3. Toxic work cycle (Consultant bully specialist, specialist bully MO, MO bully HO > Nurse sassy throughout)
Where got HO bully nurse... HO got bullied by nurses, ppk, mo, sp, janitor everyone..
Government made us KKM doctors a cheap slave!!! Overworked ,underpaid and definitely unappreciated!!
Good video to let the public know more about the hardship of doctors. Hopefully the finance ministry get more of this kind of video to know the healthcare system is so chronic. Then they will allocate more money to improve our healthcare that everybody will get the benefits
Malaysia. Good for patients. Not so good for doctors.
Govt not enough money? Malaysian Navy wasted 384mil ringgit on spare parts . Lots of money...wasted.
you think all the warship we purchased is for show only to keep anchored in Lumut? the patrol our oceans, and going out on the seas will wear and tear the hulls and other key component. of course they need spare parts, how stupid can you be?
When i was a medical officer serving in the rural area of Sarawak without a hospital, I had to do oncall for 6-7 months per year. No life. I got sick every month but had to continue my oncall as my clinic only has 2 Drs, and my partner was postcall.
In Malaysia lorry drivers can make more than doctor.
With 3 years experience and an advanced diploma they can make rm8000 per month driving trailers for interstate logistics
Correct My Friend drive Haulage .He said make 10k.Taktau betul ke tidak
@@palanisamymurugan3943true..driver have big salary
Singapore grab delivery could easily make S$6k per month. 6,000 x 3.4 = RM$19k
STEM job pays according to productivity and capability, famed person can be demanding, as long as there's a buyer
But if u work only u can get that money ,if u sick or bed ridden,u only get basic salary 1500
1. Govt bo lui yet waste money on stealth LCS
2. Govt cannot run any enterprise properly, eg. Doctor doing fire evacuation procedure
3. Answer is private public partnership. Govt allocate an amount of money to a rofit driven private hospital and offer health care to the public.
You need to do a FACT CHECK.
RM 80/hour is NOT for ONCALL rates, ONCALL RATES is RM9/HOUR.
As a medical officer in a public hospital,
I can tell you that you are WRONG.
The RM80/hour is NOT for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department.
The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still
RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays
RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 PER HOUR
You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
The parents should learn Sun Tze art of war, 'When everybody enter, you exit, when everybody exit, you enter'. 1000 years old wisdom but still applicable now.
I liked that i see many private clinics popping up in my area. These are regular family doctors that probably not meet with your definition of high quality doctor. But for me if they are competent, ethical and kind then it is enough. Only very small percentage of us that need dr house. These clinics competes to give the best value for their patients.
currently watching house 😂😂
Firstly , the oncall rate has not been increased to Rm 80 an hour , that is only for locum which has very limited slots. (which has been Rm 80 for some time now )The compulsory oncall still stays at roughly Rm9 an hour , efforts has been made by MMA and other organisation to increase it but it was shut down by the government
Second issue with the contract , as doctor in the government before the contract system , houseofficer starts of as UD 41 for 2 years and subsequently move on the UD 44 for 3 years and they move on to UD 48 with significant pay rise. But for the contract system , it stays at UD43 indefinitely without the basic salary increment for the grade and even if they are offered permanent posts they would need to work FOR ANOTHER 3 years from the date as a permanent staff to become UD 48 REGARDLESS of the years in service prior to that hence there is a large pay difference between permanent staff and contract staff even though they might be in service for the same amount of time doing the exact same job
Wow.
This is very different from the diploma holder healthcare servant who is on contract term.
Millennial here. I noticed government doctor working condition when I was a little kid when I was admitted to the government hospital. My ambition at the time is to become eye specialist doctor but knowing the doctor working condition, I change my mind to become other than doctor. Fast forward, I'm an FPGA engineer now in a MNC and has working hour flexibility + WFH. Paid handsomely too. I hope that our health care system improves. I just saw one of my friend got an offer letter for permanent position in government hospital. I guess only time will tell.
one thing for sure is due to our increasing inflation and diminishing MYR to USD rate, drug prices all hike like nobody business, our country healthcare had not enough money for certain drugs. For example, currently there is insulin shortage in whole government. We are forced to reserve insulin to those whom in need. FYI insulin is around rm150 per pen. Usually last for a month. This doesnt look good when our country is one of the top diabetic patients in south east asia.
my mom always gets pens of insulin foc (warga emas foc) at the KKM clinic...
I know a few doctors who passed away due to bad health conditions after being overworked.
seriously, i do pity these doctors, study so hard but get a job tougher than bangla job.
Since Covid epidemic, parents thinking twice about pushing kids into medical field...
Its so true. My daughter quit her ho 2 years back and head off to uk. Even though she has to renew her visa once a year. Its much much better in the uk compared to here. Her shift over there is only 12 hours that also makes her nervey already. What more the shift here. Its 32 hours. She replaces her loneliness living in uk by travelling with friends and frequently coming home for family bonding
How your daughter able to work in the uk? Does she took any specialized exam to get accepted to work there?
My friends daughters also went to UK and New Zealand and they are happy there.
@@Aeybiseediy she graduated from ireland uni. Their medic cert are recognised in the uk
@@hawwaeve4421
Is she a specialist now? How many years to be a specialist?
core reason why all essential services like healthcare, soldiers, teachers, Firefighters Policemen etc. are underpaid? Too many obsolete government departments, no one to do the hard decision of closing them down. What the core role of the government is forgotten. Which ones you ask? start with the ones with a excessive long names and nobody heard off many overlapping departments for sure.
Unfairness happens everywhere. Being a doctor can die during work, being a badminton player can die during match, construction worker can die and nobody care. Entrepreneur works beside sleep, stress and being humiliated all the time. All occupation has their challenges, some chose to.protest, some chose to find solutions.
In such a regulated profession, there are no ways to solve the problem without going through government
What can individual doctors do? They are not policymakers. The government need to find the solution lah idiot...
@@de0509 'My papa and mami said being doctor is good because high salary, work easy, prestigious and more importantly golden bowl.'
**society slap in the face**
'we have to protest to make this right'
@@hoyutan855 its obvious you have no counterargument against what ive said so you use rhetoric instead. Very classy
@@de0509If that is not obvious enough, (Manage your expectations) is the answer. We are in economy downturn and transformation. Many occupations and industries are not as easy or profitable as before. At least our government understand we have more serious issues to deal with rather than wasting taxpayer's money. Those who complain not enough will never be enough. Even raised to 5 figures will then leave for 6 figures. GH is just a stepping stone.
If you dont want the job, somebody can replace you. More graduating soon.
A bit of society and economy 101. Happening everywhere, all the occupations.
If you are capable enough, I am pretty sure you will have your place. If you can not accept, can consider change job like others.
Please talk about other professions in the medical line as well. They are equally important too.
In Malaysia, other health professionals are shit
outside it looks like gov is doing something, but thr r lots of hidden perks. force specialised parallel pathway to be bonded, to restart from square 1, acreditation issues.
Fair summary, there are challenges for public health services.
Only public sector is poor. Private sector still okay. Govt should just pay private sector to manage healthcare in the country.
RM200 or 220 per day not RM80/hr (even private dont pay that). Medical service has snow ball effect, good doctors train good generation of doctors. Like it or not, medicine is like army, the training curve is very step and it is not a cup of tea for everyone. Multiple complaints from junior doctors in early 2010’s that hit the news made many senior doctors not motivated to teach (afraid also being blamed to be bully). No teaching leads to poor training. Compounded with oversupply. I remember the supply was so much that some wards had more doctors than patients in some hospital (circa 2005-2010). Also sad for doctors, in 2020, were called First liner, Hero etc. Pandemic over, everything forgotten. With limited money, one of things can be done is shaving off unnecessary staff from other governmental institutions to balance more staff for medical.
Damn, I feel so sad hearing this. Like forgotten heroes 🥲🥲🥲
@@MrMoneyTVyou should correct the fact in the video. Otherwise the public would have misunderstood the doctors.
Think environment already toxic + new gen profile
....just need visionary clean up
Very often when patient with complication would be send to government hospitals. This saddens us seeing our medical line suffers in this manner 😢
Addendum:
1.) Oncall rate is not RM 80 /hour
It is RM200 total for weekdays, RM220 total for weekends or PH. Which divides into RM8.3/hr for weekdays and RM9.1/hr for weekend and PH.(imagine not even double pay on PH😂)
2.) No 2- the RM80/hr is the locum rate which are hard to come by. Maybe you wil get 4 hours every month or other month(depending on specialties) - that amounts to around RM320 every month/other month
#sadtruth
Finding the root cause always is the wise solutions for many problems here, doctor’s workload is getting high not because of works alone but people like us. Changing in people’s lifestyle is major factor to this is in my opinion. I might be wrong but we overlooked at this point. Doctors need a work life balance too like the rest of us.
During masters programme. Work still jalan. You do not have the luxury of sitting at home or class in uni to study. Cuti tahunan kena catu also. Other than money, i feel the people in KKM does not have a clue how to manage the issues. I dont think they really understand the issues happening at operation ie: tertiary hospitals, kk and etc
Totally miserable; doctors especially junior doctors were not just seeing patients; but also doing other jobs including sending specimen, become pseudotherapist (to compensate physiotherapist) also.
Mana nurse haiyo
As a doctor myself, Tbh those who went to good medical school or not all become the same when they start housemanship. It all comes down to own personality, passion and strong will to persevere the tough training environment.
Not to talk about the government simply just stopping houseman to all hospitals except major hospital of each state. So that means all the MOs in most hospital are currently Houseman + MO. Long working hours is killing us. Lack of manpower in most hospital currently.
To me the solution is simple. Just leave the government and work for private.
Nah. Malaysia healthcare system is a lost cause. Funding is not the only main issue. Government is just simply too slow to act. You can pinching so much money, cut spending here and there, but you cannot produce specialists overnight. Without training and incentives, we didn’t produce enough young specialists and the senior ones go private to make more money. This just add more burden to government HCW and the vicious cycle continues. Healthcare privatization is on its way
Doc here, 14 years in KKM.
- The environment in KKM hosp is paternalistic, as is in any other fields in Malaysia or Asia for that matter. Not entirely a bad thing if u ask me considering the nature of our work
- Working conditions are tough and can be exhausting physically and mentally. But if u look at it as a glass half full, it can also be rewarding. I mean, there are not many jobs out there where you can actually say 'I have served my country' proudly
- the training is tough for a reason. You cant afford to make mistakes. Granted many a times it is too tough for many esp the young ones. But hey, take it as you may
- the pay is ok, not rich definitely, but enough to live comfortably. If getting rich is what you are after, then you are in the wrong profession.
- the field is not always green when you resign as an MO. It is tough out there. Heck even as a sp it doesnt suddenly rain money
- i used to look down on people who resign from KKM to private sector. But as i grow older I understand the reason why most choose to resign. Everyone has prorities in life, and you only have one life.
- furthering study to become a sp is tough - u work as u study, no such thing as buat master n cuti - . To further subspecialise will req you to sacrifice more n more of your own time, energy, money and so on. It is insane if you think bout it.
- a lot of room for improvement esp in KKM yes, but most of the time it is not as bad as what is potrayed.
- i cant speak for all the contract juniors. But i can say this job is rewarding if you are honest and sincere in helping people to get back on their feet, health wise.
I like your comment, we stay our moto, kami sedia membantu (if u ready).. tgok area hospital jugak, if tngah bandar mmng rabak, if pendalaman skit, not 24hr bz la..
I like this comment..
Even I dah practice private, but my years of service in KKM & gov hospitals still a great memory & shape me what a doctor i am today..
The on call allowance has not increased to RM 80 /hr as mentioned in your video.
It is for the limited locum (part-time) slots in the emergency department & health clinics.
Oh no… still a WIP or u think it’s not gonna be implemented. Dang…. 🍵🫖🍵
Some private hospital nurses are paid rm80 an hour for part timers
Tats the correct oncal allowance for passive call, higher for active. If not getting, mayb can talk to yr finance office.
Per passive
80/h is the LOCUM rate at max 5h - that is not a guaranteed slot/tugas hakiki and are few and not available to all depts ie not an oncall so outside mandatory hours
Oncall allowance is still RM9/hour. Locum is monopolised by permanent doctors. Please check your fact.
Being a medical therapist is also worst. You have bachelor degree for ages, but still hold a diploma position. Those with master and phd are more useless.
There is no increase in on call. It is still the same price.
Medical officer RM200 for weekday 5pm to 8am, and RM220 for weekend 8am to 8pm. Simple math tells you this is RM10/hour.
The so called “increase” mentioned is for locum. Very few slots, for certain department only. This rate has always been there at same rate.
So to say there is an increase in rate if on call is not true.
The locum nurses get RM20 per hour at the dialysis centre I go.
Nowadays if you don't have company medical benefit, it's a must to have own medical card insurance / takaful. Government hospital can't cope with overwhelming number of patients
One of the ex houseman here, quit during pandemic 2021, bully, toxic environment, burnout. Got depressed. Decided to quit without thinking, had no feeling whatsoever during the process of quitting despite objection by parents and superior. Just wanna quit and rest. Few months later, in the news, one houseman found dead in Penang. Well... Being a doctor in Malaysia sucks.
Mind you, mid 2010s was when Malaysia has to start paying SRC. In other words, the IMDB debacle. Hence, the extreme cut in budget. Casualty, among them, the doctors.
Easy, when economy bad, education and public health budget always cut first. When economy good those 2 last priority. But politition salary never go down whatever happens to the country.
I agree. Malaysia need to charge higher fees for KK in interstate. RM1 can't buy anything. Neighbouring countries are paying more. Look at Singapore, even pensioners are paying for the medical treatment in government hospitals. Consider their salaries, monthly allowances, housing, food, etc. comes to a hefty sum. Medicines too are costly, l was asked to pay for my own eyedrop yesterday. I agreed as l know of one patient from HSI getting RM580,00 monthly steroids for her nerves problem. It's for life & she is in mid 40's. From KPJ dhe jumped to gov. as insurance refused to pay after two years. Now we are all very smart. Run to gov. Y not. Insurance still continue but medical treatment from kpj to gov. What's the point of paying rm300 monthly on medical insurance. No logic.
You need to do a FACT CHECK.
As a medical officer in a public hospital,
I can tell you that you are WRONG.
The RM80/hour is not for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department.
The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still
RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays
RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 per hour
You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
To all KKM staff watching..stay strong.
Mr Money TV please try looking into Architects in Malaysia, and other players of construction industry.
You'll find doctor is good enough.
At least doctor's 2.9k starting pay is wayyy better than jr architect's 2.1k, in penang.
Good enough? Do you want to check the working hours of a government doctor vs architect? just last week i was working 80+hrs/week plus after work compulsory CME /presentations to prepare. We get two weekends off a month compared with architects? plus public holidays you have to work if youre oncall. Compare the amount of money spent to study medicine vs architecture? The amount of litigation/responsibility in the workplace? scaling in salary for junior doctors? My friend who is an architect the same age as me is earning 2k+ more than me in Penang?
Public Health Service is overloaded. Foreign workers, tourists all utilise our Public Health Service at a very cheap price. Even cheaper if compared to their countries.
SG doctor here. When i was in year 3 of working (medical officer), I worked w a Malaysian consultant who came to SG for better prospects. My pay was SGD 6k. Guess what her pay as a consultant was- MYR 6k. Blew my mind. For the number of years of study and practice, amount of time, loss of sleep and sweat put in, no wonder she left.
Don't harp to us that this should be our calling, as if a calling should make us immune to lack of appreciation, and unreasonable remuneration.
Go Singapore lar, if Trainee doctor profession condemn in Malaysia. What you waiting for? Go singapore easier can earn 4 to 5x from current salary...
Not just medical professions, most of other professions also the same. Kalau kerja kilang, you may standing continuously 12 hours, crane operator duduk dalam crane sepanjang hari, engineer kerja Sabtu Ahad, lorry drivers tidur dalam lorry, salesman kena reject, Bomba hadapi bahaya api, and many more.
But all those other professions that you mentioned don't require long,tedious, hard and expensive undergraduate training..do they? 😂 enlighten us please.
@@alinahMQuantum I do not say medic is easy, but other professional degree like account, architecture, engineering, law, PhD and many more also not easy.
Well these shows, all are underpaid. With politicians sakau duit, this happens.
Leaving KKM has given me so much of my life back. What's the point of working at a rate of RM9.90 for 33 hours straight. Money all go to people in between. Funding for treatments also lower each year
Sad part is often doctors are sued for negligence trying to save patients albeit with poor outcome. I know off the bat, patients and their families gets sympathy from judge and jury but you really need to understand that all the good, all the hundreds or thousands of CPRs the good doctor did succesfully, one failed not only the individual doctor gets punished, the whole fraternity feels the brunt due to skyrocket medical indemnity fees.
Judges tend to listen to expert witness from academic background rather than those clinical hands on doctors perhaps due to more impressive background and presentation eventhough most of it are datas and theories. Judges and lawyers need to watch Tom Hank movie Sully to understand this.
the racial biased system ruined everything. all the chinese and indian need to be the top scorer to be qualified to be a doctor but a bunch of malay who took the same path can't get good score so they can't graduate and will waste all their years of studies so the system change their final graduation exam into a group assignment assigning one chinese or indian in each group to carry those unqualified malay to graduate to be a rubbish doctor later. after all these rubbish doctor joined the medical field, eventually the overall quality of doctor profression will drop drastically. i'm not saying all malay depend on other races to graduate as a doctor since one out of a thousand there are still some smart malay people but i can surely say most of them graduated this way. you might think that i hate malay but actually i'm not and i know this is because i knew someone handling related issues and i've seen most of the wealthy malay people who need a serious surgery don't even find or trust their own malay doctors. i'm personally okay with malay doctor if i go to a family doctor to get some cough or fever medicine. touch wood if i'm in a goverment hospital can't choose then i have no choice but if i'm in a private hospital i will definitely choose a chinese or an indian doctor.
Wow! U shld go to hospitals in China or India then...confirm no Malay. A very ungrateful person U are.
Ex kkm dr here. I’ve a feeling specialists do not want the number of specialists to increase. Bc they are literally currently being treated like god. They’re invincible. They can harass junior Dr (even sexually) and worst thing can happen is pindah departmemt or hospital. Bc demand for specialist is high and always high.
You need to do a FACT CHECK.
As a medical officer in a public hospital,
I can tell you that you are WRONG.
The RM80/hour is not for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department.
The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still
RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays
RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 per hour
You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
Please correct it in your video.
Nice.. What's your take on engineers? Growing up as a millennial, I always heard older people tell me be doctor, engineer or lawyers but nowadays if I go online, it's always the doctors and engineers that I see complain say they are under paid.
Engineering still the best
Yes true not all highly paid
But Oil and gas , even in electrical and constructions still high
it is not whether 'best' or not, it is whether you have 'passion' in it or not. any job without passion = suffering. any job you have passion = tough but fun. so, don't force your kids on any profession, check their passion first or you will be forcing your child to enter a suffering life.
Can talk about accountants as well?
Private doctors dont complaint...makes lots of money ...
Medical fee in public sector need to increase as well. Pay are too low to support the system.
Can’t , gov and patient don’t have money, only insurance may help, also increase medical fee can’t help a lot
You need to do a FACT CHECK.
As a medical officer in a public hospital,
I can tell you that you are WRONG.
The RM80/hour is not for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department.
The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still
RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays
RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 per hour
You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
Make patients pay laa… 30% of the total cost for treatment and 50% of the medications!!!
If those patients can't pay.. you'll be looking the unhealthiest, death-ridden country in southeast asia. Death tolls would be on the most rise in Malaysian history, marriage and childbirth of the population on all time low (who can afford it in this economy if they can't even buy insulin pen right NOW?) More foreign workers will be brought in to compensate for the lack of local talents or death of local workers (because they died or they choose to work overseas. Either way, we lose them) and so much people would be in debt just to pay for those hospital bills.
Poor governance and short vision made all professions collapse, why most students are going for medical school? There are many professions that we can’t find people to fill in but we have too many doctors who are earning a small salary in the government hospitals?
Every government that rules with poor governance.
@@silvarajoomuniandy4316 what they matter most is their pockets neither for the people nor the country just like what the new President of Argentina have said most politicians are the culprits who oppress the people and steal as much they could from the country, that’s why in the Bible God already warned people not to have a King and we shall only worship God and not these politicians but yet men refused to obey God instead they trusted men more than God, in some cases men used God’s name to control their people for their own gain, very sad 😞
You need to do a fact check.
As a medical officer in a public hospital,
I can tell you that you are WRONG.
The RM80/hour is not for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department.
The other departments in the hospital is still
RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays
RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 per hour
You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
You need to do a FACT CHECK.
RM 80 is NOT for oncall rates.
As a medical officer in a public hospital,
I can tell you that you are WRONG.
The RM80/hour is not for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department.
The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still
RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays
RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 per hour
You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
Please correct it in your video.
Malaysia has neglected the top Doctor Who graduated and have the highest skill for the new generation. Most of it are now ending up in Europe, not in Malaysia sadly.
- Malaysia negligently neglected the doctor for years
They should remove RM1 health care system, and use the money to train and invest to those junior doctors.
I am ex doctor here... now doing insurance agent.Earn more than doctor salary .
The government should close Jakim and use the budget of over $1.1 billion for healthcare and education systems
Ex KKM moved to pharma since 2014 now earning 70k monthly.best decision ever
When I was a new joiner at a tech mnc company, I too had to work outside of my jobscope. Eg: Organize the dept teambuilding, help to purchase IT equipment for the whole team ... etc.
Useless
I guess it's another cina man's company...
On call allowance is only rm8 per hour, not rm80 as mentioned. In video.
Imagine yourselves working without any rest from 8am till next day 1pm, and you only get rm200 for this. This is what working oncall day like now in gov hosp!
The rm80 is for locum only which doesn't apply to hospital senario!
The whole mess starts in medical school. Poor quality med education with poor quality students.
The resulting poor quality would inevitably be the end result.
Can you do video on cost of education in Malaysia to become doctor or other profession in next 5 to 10 years.
The whole education system in Malaysia has been incentivized to create low quality graduates. 4.0 here is at best a 3.0 in developed countries
Do allow me to correct a small mistake that you had mentioned on 6:59.
It is locum hour rate, not ONCALL hour rate. Locum is to encourage Dr to work extra hour in ED to cope the high patient flow in ED, in which not every Dr are compulsory to take up locum, you want extra money, you work locum.
But ONCALL is compulsory for Drs, with the rate of RM200 for 24 hours active call, or RM80-140 for 24 hours of passive call. No hourly rate for ONCALL.
Worst part is if you oncall on a weekday, you are expected to function as normal human being who had 8 hours of deep sleep the next working day. 😢
All the new initiatives mentioned is not a new thing, it was already done and announced like a new thing and some still need to be rephrased and explained plus fact check. and the permanent offer doesn’t fixed the debilitating discrepancy of doctor salary from contract batch compared to their colleague before contract system hence solving nothing as well. The dr who receive permanent offer is continously underpaid in this already so sooo underpaid system. And with staff leaving the services and more miscellaneous task on top of new treatment modalities we can offer to our pt, the whole compensation, work schedule which has no regulation on to what frequency per month we can do oncall (some place at times selang sehari oncall), the way the system now, is a mockery and inhumane to an the already highly adaptive dr. So many staff dies to and from work due to accident, children left in the car, staff walking with iv drips to attend patients. But the system remains because if a doctor collapse, the other dr regardless will cover the days cause we would not leave the shift and our pt unattended. That is a perfect morale blackmail in action.
Since the nature of medical officers task depends on their level of experience and skills and not limited to their grade, the audacious action of current system to offer similar grade and pay to professional whom u know have experience which surpasses the pay grade is something u can see in malaysia system as well.
And this is only one factor. wages is mathematic and pretty clear cut. Not to mention other factors.
I think as of now, it is our pt which makes us wanna do more as we focus on our work and the legendary specialist we can learn from, are what kept us buffered. Tho eventually if this is not fixed stat, u’ll get more distracted, burnout drs and staffs and it will eventually led to unsafe hospital or worse, total collapsed of public health.
Note: thank you for taking initiative to highlight on the issue, the issue is pretty massive and debilitating, do keep up the effort to explore deeply on this matter, it may be helpful to open the eyes of many including the one in the system whom all too caught up with duties to even realised this is happening.
I am a doctor from Aussie/NZ, although we have our challenges and problems, but we don't have nonsense like these. The solutions are simple, just follow/copy how we run our medical schools and health systems, simple as that.
you think malaysia are like china?like to copy
@@Dennisa9 you are absolutely wrong. Malaysia do like to copy. To copy bad things. To compare bad things with other countries instead of good things. For example, they will compare with countries like Myanmar, Cambodia, Indonesia, The Philippines but do not like to compare with countries like the UK, Japan and especially Singapore, our neighbor.
@@Dennisa9itu Nama dia bodoh sombong. Fits Malaysia so perfectly
Not really copy as he mentioned but just try to maybe learn and follow systems from other countries...cheers
@@Humorousguy64 what he is trying to say, tolong copy bulat2. Korang cannot figure out yourself
You need to semi-privatised the public hospital with the help of EPF to invest the fund and use the monetary benefits to pay the healthcare workers and also upgrading the facilities of the hospital. If not, nobody wants to work lol. Please refer to the SG Medisave and Medishield
Stuff likes this makes me turn from Medical field to IT field after SPM.
Doctors are not fire fighters that can just take up water host and start spraying. I am not saying fire fighters are not professional but doctors are in dire situation and cannot train surgents within a short time. How to find replacement? At one time those who are in the final year are called to help in hospital and this is bad.
At the rate we are going, we can't face another healthcare pandemic😢
And yet JPA gives promotion to PTDs ( named drs) rather than these laborers ( aptly called doctors)
not just doctors, majority of the healthcare staffs are treated like crap both from the superior management and the public.. its better to migrate and make money elsewhere if you can.
You need to do a FACT CHECK.
RM 80/hour is NOT for ONCALL rates, ONCALL RATES is RM9/HOUR.
As a medical officer in a public hospital,
I can tell you that you are WRONG.
The RM80/hour is NOT for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department.
The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still
RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays
RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 PER HOUR
You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.
It's great that you're discussing the profession of doctors in Malaysia. However, I'm puzzled as to why doctors often talk about their fees being high and expect high salaries to compensate for their study costs. In any healthcare profession, or any life-saving profession, there should be a passion for saving lives first.
During the COVID-19 crisis, many professionals like police officers, ambulance drivers, nurses, radiographers, and military personnel stepped up because it was a matter of crisis. So why should only doctors feel they deserve extra compensation? Honestly, I think many people pursue a career as a doctor for potential earnings rather than a passion for the job.
Regarding the 5-year contract, I don't see it as a problem. A 5-year contract provides job security, and with good performance, it will be extended. This is similar to many professions in the private sector. Many other critical professions, both globally and in Malaysia, require candidates to take study leave to specialize, and they don't expect the government to pay for their studies and offer a salary.
It's a misuse of taxpayers' money to expect the government to fund studies through scholarships and also provide salaries. The number of universities offering medicine and other healthcare programs should be controlled in terms of quality and quantity, which unfortunately doesn't always happen here. Like every other job in Malaysia, being a doctor is not easy, but if you love what you do, then money should not be the main objective.
highly motivated stayed on in Government service
You need to do a FACT CHECK.
RM 80/hour is NOT for ONCALL rates, ONCALL RATES is RM9/HOUR.
As a medical officer in a public hospital,
I can tell you that you are WRONG.
The RM80/hour is NOT for oncall rates but rather a special rates with limited slots for extended hours in Klinik Kesihatan or the Emergency department.
The oncall rates for all other departments in the hospital is still
RM 200 from 5pm till 8am for weekdays
RM 220 from 8am till 8am for weekends which is around RM 9 PER HOUR
You can work as a part timer at any store and earn more than a DOCTOR.