I think Leo was supposed to be Greiger’s opponent in the Satellite and not Crow. I think this is also originally where Leo was going to get his Signer Dragon in Life Stream Dragon. Life Stream Dragon’s main effect pretty well counters Greiger’s Reactors and Earthbound Immortal. Greiger’s deck is all about burn, and in the anime, Life Stream Dragon resets your lifepoints back to the starting point of 4000. Yes, we saw Leo duel against Devack while Luna was in the Spirit Realm, but Luna technically won that duel. Leo did most of the work and Luna came back from the Spirit Realm to reclaim Ancient Fairy Dragon and deliver the final blow. In the Dark Signer Arc we never got to see Leo have that big moment and I think that would’ve happened when he dueled Dark Signer Greiger in a Fortune Cup rematch. Leo dueling Greiger in the Satellite instead of Crow also would’ve been a great time to show Leo’s growth throughout the show to that point. From getting trounced by Greiger in the Fortune Cup, going card for card with Devack and almost beating him, to finally defeating Greiger when it mattered the most and finally proving his abilities as a duelist. Had Leo dueled Greiger in the Satellite instead of Crow, I can see a moment happening where Luna tries to jump in and save him only for him to tell her to stay out of it, as the duel is something he has to do on his own.
There is one last thing i want to add Both Yusei and Aki already dueled their respective dark signer opponent before they head together to the sattelite, and Rua dueled Bommer before in the grand prix so you’d think Bommer’s opponent would be Leo as they already have a connection to each other but nope, instead he duels a guy he just met who’s suppossed to be dead
Yes, and probably Rua would have invoked the Life Stream Dragon in that duel since it had been previously foreshadowing and its relationship (in design) with Power Tool Dragon was always evident. Thus, Goodwing's mark would have passed to Rua and there would be no need over 100 chapters later to invent a sixth mark.
While I agree at least for the match with Godwin, there are absolutely ways they could've written Aki into the S3-5 arcs a lot better. It felt like they were setting up Aki to alternate with the rest of the team in a few duels and even a matchup in the WRGP vs Sherry, which would have been EPIC.
Honestly in spite of real life I think it worked out for the best writing wise.Yusei,Jack and Crow being brothers again after being at odds for years handle all the heavy enemies from then on as they are used to fighting their whole lives for survival unlike their new friends. Admittedly I would have like seen Aki build a rotary or weld a D-Wheel frame or use her stand powers for mechanical stuff but what we got was ok.
The only problem I have with the "dark signer crow" theory is that the assumption is that crow was supposed to be the final villain of the dark signers arc, even though that doesn't really make a lot of sense. I think that what would've made more sense would have been to make roman the final boss of the arc. There were already a lot of signs that pointed to roman being the final boss of the arc. The thing that introduces the dark signers is when yusei and jack see the vision of the spider mark during the duel in the fortune cup. Roman is the one who possesses people with his spiders (which are the first conflicts any characters have with dark signer type characters) and he turned greiger into a dark signer. Roman's also the one who really set the plot in motion by causing the ener-D reactor to go critical, releasing the earthbound immortals. And he also has a personal beef with Yusei not only because of his history with Yusei's father, but also because roman basically killed yusei's friends and mother figure. So make Roman the final villain, have crow die when he gets engulfed in the smoke, giving him the condor sign. Have greiger duel leo, and that's how leo gets life stream dragon and becomes a signer (another comment pointed out that leo having a rematch with greiger would work really well because greiger's deck is based around burn and life stream dragon is based around life point restoration) and have yusei duel against crow. Or maybe even have yusei and jack team up to beat crow. Having the two of them team up to save their friend would be really good moment for the both of them. I love the dark signers arc as it is, but it's pretty clear that (much like 5ds as a whole) poor planning holds it back in some areas. And I (much like many fans) would really like to know what the initial plan for the dark signers arc was, because it's pretty clear that there were some substantial changes along the way
I'm almost positive Greiger was shown being freed from Security by Devak during the fall of the Arcadia Building. This was 5 episodes even before the mist came and killed everyone
I never expected Crow to have as much importance as he eventually did when I was watching the show subbed as a teen, I always got the vibe he'd be somewhat of a gag character like Hassleberry or Bastion.
I think Crow was meant to be a recurring supporting character: either to bring trouble or support the main group (sort of like Manabu in some ways for a recent comparison). However, something changed in the production of 5Ds that made Crow become more than a secondary character and even bring a retcon to the story that 5Ds set out from the beginning of the series. While there are "justifications" for saying that Aki(za) was going to lose her relevance as 5Ds progressed, that doesn't explain why they left out the twins (Leo and Luna) after the Dark Signer Arc. I think that is a sign that a character has been built with a story in mind, but that, outside of that story, he/she is not a relevant character since they don't know what to do with him/her if he/she were in all the Episodes.
Great vid! I just rewatched this arc and this is definitely my favourite Yu-Gi-Oh conspiracy as all signs point to it being true. I also strongly believe Crow was meant to be a Dark Signer as his boss monster (Armor Master) has lines on him resembeling the Dark Signer's look and his entire deck is themed around dark Winged-Beasts which lines perfectly with the condor Earthbound Immortal. His "death" also happened with him shouting that he won't die in a place like satellite, and dying with resentment and hatred is needed to become a Dark Signer. You could also see that in the duel between Rua and Demak the writers were setting up Power Tool Dragon for something as his armor started to break but it ended up leading to nothing. There are just too much things pointing to this conspiracy being true. I LOVE this arc but I can't stop thinking about what could have been. Just imagine Rua VS Dark Signer Bommer as a revenge match for the fortune cup, only this time Rua IS a signer or Crow being a dark signer with a twisted way to take revenge on the city for what satellite had to endure. It just writes itself.
@@Diamondr11Bluecrow's deck and the condor aren't a perfect match, but both fortune ladies and the hummingbird and robot and the whale are way more different.
@@jaernihiltheus7817 yeah but he still has no reason to come back as a vengeful villain. Doesn't exactly add up. The dark signers EIs seem to represent them even if it doesn't fit their decks
@@Diamondr11Blue the hummingbird makes sense for carly personality wise, but how does the whale make sense for greiger? Keep in mind I'm not arguing that crow was originally meant to be a signer, I'm just saying that them being different kinds of birds isn't much of an argument against it. Especially when you factor in the other dark signers like how the monkey signer uses mostly ape wizards and the lizard signer uses mostly snake-women & dragons. The only dark signer whose deck & earthbound immortal lines up exactly is the spider guy.
@@jaernihiltheus7817 my guess is because it's large and a force of strength like grieger himself. Kalin's represents the huge fear yuseu held of him to overcome maybe. How would crow be the hummingbird? It's not a fighter
@Yugioh Everything I loved the video! I was also here to let you know I found a dubbing error I thought you would like you know about. In Yugioh VRAINS Season 2 episode 18 (compare to Episode 64 in Subbed) at 15:29 Playmaker performs the link summon of Gaia Saber, The Lightning Shadow. He lists off the correct conditions and the right link animation goes off however Playmaker’s voice over says “I summon Link 2” not Link 3. I don’t know if you knew this already but thought it funny as I have been making my way through the dubbing of my favorite Yugioh series. Have a great day everyone!
I remember watching 5Ds as it aired and noticed how Crow always seemed to have really weird moments of being absent in certain scenes where he should be in with the other characters; I personally wonder if some of these scenes were animated BEFORE it was decided that Crow survived (or would be present for these scenes). The one that stands out the most is when Yusei is battling Rudgar, Crow is absent from Luna's protection but is still fairly close to the duel and likely within the Geoglyth's area of effect (doesn't even make sense for him to wonder off while going down or that nobody would notice or care that this happened) but he is somehow fine and is even able to give Yusei a big pep talk during this scene? Always thought that that was weird.
Very interesting Dylan! I always wondered how Crow survived when everyone else didn't. Even by anime standards, it makes virtually no sense that he just somehow pops out a refrigerator and is fine.
If I had a nickle for every time someone survived a WMD using a fridge, I'd have two nickles. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
This is just my take, but since as others have mentioned below Bomber was set up before he appeared, and his grudge against Goodwin started all the way back in the grand prix, I think Crow was always meant to *eventually* become a Signer... but Leo was supposed to do it first. Leo had dueled, and lost to, Bomber before, the dragon Luna dreamt about was Leo's dragon... Crow still has history and was friends with Yusei as a kid, and more of Crow's backstory and dragon show up in season 2. So I think its less he got amped up and more Leo got pushed down.
*"the dragon Luna dreamt about was Leo's dragon..."* Uh, are we sure the original plan was for Leo's Power-Tool to evolve into Life Stream? I mean, Power-Tool already looks like it was supposed to be a Signer's Dragon yet not even the OPs treat it as such and there was no foreshadowing at all for it to be able to evolve.
@@toumabyakuyawhen leo was Fighting demak, leo saw power tool was moving to protect leo (like stardust did when yusei was Fighting Aki in the hospital after She got angry at seeing her father with yusei). You could say that power tool "got life" because in a shadow duel monsters attacks are real but in 5ds (im not talking about dm and gx) in all the shadow duels, the monsters dont speak (except ancient fairy) and they dont show any sign of feelings or thoughts. If leo's, powertool moved by its own (surprising leo at that time) It was powertool was a special sincro at that time like stardust and ancient fairy (now we know It was inside there was a signer dragon too).
@@toumabyakuya stardust is a signer dragon. Im not saying any other random card proove to have feelings. Im saying only signer dragons shown to have some kind of life (stardust, ancient fairy and power tool)
@@BraianV5 But again, that Stardust Dragon (a Signer Dragon) moves and shows to be sentient just proves my theory that Power Tool Dragon was suppossed to be a Signer Dragon.
I'm probably gonna get flooded with comments detracting this, but I can see how Crow should've been a Dark Signer based on the final duel between Yusei Jack and Crow vs Godwin. The duel felt clunky and very repetitive for Godwin while the protagonists just played cards and said "trust me bro". Even Godwin's Synchros Sun Dragon Inti and Moon Dragon Quilla felt like they were meant for Crow; the sun dragon light attribute represents Crow's life of trying to raise the children, the dark attribute to represent the darkness of Satellite/becoming a signer. But even the Earthbound Immortal used "Wiraqocha Rasca" is a Winged Beast Dark Attribute monster. Gee, I wonder who uses Winged Beasts that are Dark Attributes? (Even the potential combo of Rasca's effect + Armor Master (anime) Wedge Counters sounds like an op endgame strategy for Yusei to overcome.) But jokes aside, the cards and how they flow fit Crow, especially since the main strategy of Blackwings both in the anime and irl are about flexibility in summoning and always keeping the field replenished while oppressing your opponent. Crow has synchro summoned by raising/lowering levels, summoned w/ one card, synchro using a synchro, even synchro summoned with monsters from the grave. The cards of Godwin SCREAMS Crow and his battle styles given by the writers.
I get what you say about Rasca, but seriously Inti and Quilla looks like Crow's cards? They are Inca gods and up to that point Crow didn't have any relation to Inca stuff, unlike Godwin who was related to it and had a condor symbol on his clothes since the beginning
Not sure if this counts, but... What do you think of Zane's heel turn being randomly ended in Season 3 from everything to him getting rid of Mr Shroud almost instantly, to Zane never dueling Jaden after his duel against Syrus?
I don't think there would've been a point to him dueling Jaden. As for his turn, it made sense to me. He only fell as far as he did because he got the wrong help when he hit rock bottom. It's not like he stopped obsessing over power and victory, he just was able to acknowledge the importance of other things again. Even at his absolute most despicable point he tried to give Cyrus what was genuine advice from his perspective. So finding out he was dying probably put things in perspective and once again made him reconsider his priorities.
Crow was definitely changed. Aki was the third shown various times while leo was gonna join up and get his dragon as we see in the anime and flashback before they changed it to black wing. That's the only problems i have with 5ds signer arc but what we got out of it was still pretty epic overall and made sense crow would help at the end ws aki wasn't a driver yet.
@@Diamondr11Blueshe did just come out of a cult so give her a break. The English version acts like she actually got fixed when she was still going through a lot. I mean we see what she saw in misty and the kids right before joining and even divine came out during her fight showing she had lingering care for that sect. Plus she's the main love interest too. Can't be that and Joey at the same time
@@ivanbluecool love interest≠ bond with both yusei AND jack. She has absolutely nothing to tie her to him other than the mark, and Jack in the sub never calls her by first name meaning they aren't close. The 3 boys grew up together as brothers so it makes sense imo
@@Diamondr11BlueKaiba has 0 bond with joey. According to you "love is not bond" chazz has 0 bond with Alexis and Jesse and - 10 bonds with chazz or alexis. I think you get the point, the main trío has to have a bond with the MC, not with the Mc and his friends.
Here’s a conspiracy theory video that could be a future video: the mystery towards the Mole for VRAINS. Who is this person who seems to be the inside to help Aoi’s brother?
Definitely a cool theory. If I recall correctly, you're reborn as a Dark Signer if you also have some sort of vengeance to fulfill - I wonder what Crow's would've been if he had turned into a Dark Signer after perishing in the dark mist. Another interesting 5D's theory to look at could be whether Z-one was "intended" to actually be Yusei's future counterpart.
This is honestly so trippy to see that crow survived that mist, that shouldn't have been possible. Thinking about these conspiracy theories are so fascinating to hear and I always love thinking about 'what if' in these ideas, the endless possibilities really get me going. Great video, my man, can't wait to see more from this series! :)
If we look at the ending view with the scrap heap the signers are on top and all dark signers under them. I would say it counts where the feet are, Crow is above Rex but below Leo and Luna and Crow is also looking down. A interesting aspect: Since the book says that he seems to be one who would steal Yuseis D-Wheel maybe that is the reason why Yusei vs Roman was standing duel? Because Crow stole Yuseis D-Wheel? And about the signer dragons: All signer dragons have a different attribute except Red Demons Dragon and Black Feather Dragon - both are Dark! It's clear for me that Crow was supposed to be a Dark Signer.
You know, I'm gonna say it: I think Crow surviving and becoming a good guy was worth it. No, I don't like how Aki and Leo got shafted (mostly) until the last arc of the show, but Crow's writing after coming back was worth them scrapping the original plans. What I would've done to keep both Crow and Leo relevant is still give Crow the fight against Bommer, and move Black-Winged Dragon's origin story to that episode, while making Devack just a bit harder and longer. Make Luna join in the Duel and about to be defeated, and Leo's persistence brings out Life Stream Dragon, keeping both alive and allowing them to reverse the duel on Devack. "But how would Crow survive"? Simple: BWD keeps him alive. If anything, BWD's effect of absorbing effect damage and turning back on its foes makes some logical sense as to why Crow could still be around, and fits in well with his character arc. No, its not clean, as Crow pretty definitively should've died in episode 41 or so. Like, dude should be flat out dust and echoes until the signers beat Godwin and bring everyone back. But I still think that Crow adds a lot to the cast of 5D's and the overall plot points should've been kept. I don't think at least in S2 Aki has any less of a story being told because of Crow's existence, so I don't think he'd take away from that. If anything, during the WRGP arc I'd have Team 5D's lose the fight against Team Unicorn, and then Aki brings out a comeback duel in a loser's-bracket styled qualifier that allows Team 5D's to progress (potentially VS Sherry's team, that would've been an amazing duel) to the finals. I'd probably do it by having Team Unicorn get taken out of the fight by Team Catastrophe and a special match be held to see who progresses to the finals.
This is definitely a classic theory from this series. I honestly didn’t even think about the black mist and how it killed people almost instantly. But I do now believe that the popularity of the Blackwings ruined the perfect chance for Rua’s arc to come full circle. One theory I always had since the final arcs of ZEXAL is Yuma being related to Don Thousand because Don Thousand looks like an adult Yuma with his hair down and gold instead of black. Sure, Astral and Yuma are revealed to be one and the same and Number 96 being from Don Thousand, but we have no information on how that one non-Number part of Astral (Yuma) had not been discovered by Don Thousand the moment he was born or how he came to be born on Earth to begin with. How did they even get to Earth, and wouldn’t Yuma bear more resemblance to Astral if only 96 was the piece of Don Thousand? Do you think that maybe Yuma was supposed to be Don Thousand and they changed it because they went halfway into the final arc “This sunshine boy can’t possibly the incarnation of something so evil!”?
Imo number 96 is the memory of don thousand that astral had. I mean, 96 is a memory of astral itself but a sad/bad memory. While astral was Fighting don thousand, he learned he needed to destroy all varían World and that thought created number 96. Thats the reason why 96 keeped telling astral he needed his own shadow to do whats need to be done (without darkness, astral, wouldnt be able to accept his duty destroying varían World)
All your points are completely valid, expect for one thing. The Blackwing archetype released as 5Ds was airing, and the whole season finished production before it started airing, this is how all media works. Are you telling me that Blackwings became the most popular archetype ever in 21 days and they said "Scrap all the animation! We´re spend the entire week reanimating the next 20 episodes!"? This whole thing gets even weirder when you consider all the points that you brought up. Maybe they were trying to get us to think Crow was gonna be a Dark Signer, so then people would make RUclips videos and Reddit threads about it, thus getting Konami free publicity.
here is the thing about crow which is very interesting, because I do believe that crow was supposed to be the main villain of the dark signer's arc. he showed up, was a cool guy to yusei, and tied to his backstory. rex godwin eventually became the villain of the dark signers arc BUT i actually think he was supposed to be the main villain of the entire show. there was so much build up to him but him being the main villain of the dark signers arc seemed rushed. having godwin be the final villain of the entire series and having crow as the final villain of the dark signers arc that can eventually return to being human and join the team makes better sense. BUT there is another reason why i think crow would of been the dark signer leader. when it was godwin he used an earthbound immortal called wiraqocha rasca which was a condor, I.E. a big flipping bird that would of been perfect for crow. the other earthbound immortals were based on the spider, hummingbird, monkey, lizard, giant and killer whale. with this in mind we can see there is already a bird in the hummingbird so godwin also having a bird means either they just wanted another bird or they planned the bird for crow and then put godwin as the main villain. the condor does not fit godwin like it fits crow, and furthermore there are better nazca line picks for godwin if he was intended to be the leader. if godwin was always going to be the final dark signer then he should of been given the dog or snail to make himself different, or probably the biggest missed opportunity in the entire show, give him the tree. IMAGINE rex summons the tree and it just takes up most of the city then yusei and rex have a riding duel ONTOP of the tree so they are going around tree branches and doing jumps. do you know how cool that sounds?
@@Diamondr11Blue Yeah so? Carly's immortal is a hummingbird but she uses a Fairy Deck, Grieger has a Whale as his Immortal but uses Sea based machines, Kallen's Immortal is a Giant and he uses Fiend Monsters. As long as there is a somewhat vague connection it's enough, Crow uses Winged Beasts and the Condor is a Bird.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 nah not this time. Goodwin literally has the symbol on him starting from his first appearance. Final boss was already made before crow showed up period
Hey Dylan ! Hope you're gonna like this theory cause I find it truly insane and it comes from one of my friends, so all credit to them for all the thoughts they put into this. So it's about Astral in Zexal and how he was supposed to be nothing more than a weapon for his world. Starting from his name, Astral, being just the one of his world, as if he had no identity other than being from that world. If you were to create the perfect duelist, what would you give them ? Hands, to grab the cards and a body to be visible and fight (Kinda too bad no one on Earth can see him). Intellect, great analysis capacities, a strategic and rational mind, no more than that. And that's exactly what he is when we meet him for the first time, cold and boringly rational. He just remembers his name and how to duel and needs nothing more to survive. Speaking of surviving, notice how he didn't even fear death. He, of course, couldn't die because it would mean failing his mission but that doesn't mean he feared death. As he and Yuma gather the Numbers, we're supposed to be revealed his past. But it never happened. What did we see exactly ? How he was born - from what seems to be a bubble - and that he went at war against Don Thousand. We didn't see a moment of childhood, a glimpse of his world, a happy memory, nothing. Why ? Because he actually doesn't have a life outside of being a weapon. And a disposable one, at that considering that Eliphas was ready to kill him when he judged him incapable of finishing his mission because his heart was "stained". Stained by what ? All the emotions he learnt to have by evolving on Earth and by Black Mist's chaos. Last but not least, his design itself ressembles nothing like people from his world. He's completely deprived of sexual characteristics and doesn't wear clothes to hide them. By that, I mean that Ena is seemingly feminine by her breast and dress, Eliphas wears an armor that covers him completely and the astral people we see are all covered. All but one, the one nobody should consider as being part of the astral people if Astral is indeed a weapon. I think more people deserve to know that theory because it just makes so much sense and once you've heard about it, you kinda can't unsee it ? So I'd really be so happy to have your thoughts on this, if not a whole video where you present it to us ! 👋
Why no Fire Dragon? Why backpedal on Z-ONE being an alternate-future Yusei? The "Kotori must be in EVERY episode" theory. Yuya v. Yugo? Why the forgotten chess pieces? Why Goha Yuga dropped like he was?
Great theory. In my opinion, Leo should have became the 5th Signer and got his Life Stream Dragon at the beginning of the show and Dark Signer arc instead of Crow. Even though the staff changed alot for the Dark Signer arc and Crow in 5Ds, it was still a great series and Crow was a top-notch duelist for 5Ds
I feel the show would of been better if Crow just died and never become a main character, because the moment he became a main character in the show it was when the quality of the show story went down quite a bit and crow just drags things down with most of his mediocre episodes that could of been better used to develop and give Akiza, Leo and Luna characters time to shine in the show so how I see it was one of the biggest mistake the writers have made by making Crow a main character
I've heard one Idea was Leo and Luna wouldn't of had the split duel againest Devak, Luna would have just dueled him by herself and after she won Greiger would had shown up as a dark signer, Luna would be to tired to have another duel so Leo steps up to duel him to protect his sister and gaining his dragon in the duel. While the Leo vs Greiger duel is happening Yusei would drive to help after seeing the whale mark in the sky, and Crow would have under the same mind control Trugde was under when he dueled Jack would have duel Yusei to slow him down.
Dark Signer!Crow has some pretty cool potential to be an Au. Don’t think it would have happened in canon but fun to think about. Now I will say that Crow being the fifth Signer came out of nowhere when it was clearly meant to be Rua but I wouldn’t honestly mind it if Crow did eventually became a Signer. I remember seeing 5DS for the first time and thinking that maybe Rua will be the next Signer before I even know who Crow was. Thanks to spoilers though, I now know who was the fifth Signer
This theory sounds about right I assumed he came back because Deva lost and all the spirits were free and I assumed that crow soul was one apart of Diva earthbound so when he lost Crow came back
I’ve really never understood the insane hatred some people have for Crow. He’s not my favorite 5Ds character or anything but… he’s pretty cool, there’s nothing wrong with him. I really don’t see anything that egregious about his character that warrants some people writing whole paragraphs of text on Reddit about how he completely ruined the series.
The major counterpoint for this id say is that Devack is shown capturing Bommer from Security during the Carly vs Divine and Aki Vs Misty round 1 episodes, so they were clearly planning Bommer to do something with him, tho it couldve been to have Lua fight him and awaken then?
You're missing one big thing though: in order to become a Dark Signer you gotta have a grudge against someone. Rudger has a grudge against Yusei's dad. Kiryu has a grudge against Yusei. Misty has a grudge against Aki. Carly has a grudge against Divine. Bomber has a grudge against Godwin. Crow doesn't have a grudge against anyone before that episode.
Here's my 5Ds conspiracy theory for you: Red Nova being a Earthbound Immortal. When you think about it, we saw all of the Earthbound Immortal monsters appearing in the anime, but not Red Nova. In fact, we never had a card for him right after 5Ds ended
I think the original plan was for Bomber and Lua to have their rematch. Lifestream directly counters Bomber's burn strategy, and as for why Crow got bumped up...I mean, my guess is, since Lifestream is a tuner synchro, maybe Konami and the writers were having a back and forth on whether they'd have it on LS or not, they couldnt decide in time so they amped Crow up
@@Diamondr11Blue Yeah but obviously it wasn't a thing at that point, nor did it seem like it was ever going to be a thing originally. Lifestream, looking back, seemed to be the way they were going, but Crow's popularity deck wise in possible conjunction with them debating on whether to make it a tuner this early probably held it back.
I do believe this to be the case and ill also make the argument that crow was indeed a dark signer in the anime we got. In Z-ones timeline. Ive been rewatching 5ds as of late and something stuck out to me during one of Z-ones flashbacks, the historical records of the dark signer events that made Yusei a hero, show nothing of Rex Godwin or his earthbound immortal. Its just deadass not present at all. Given that we also know lifestream dragon was the original 5th signer dragon that battled the king of the underworld, ive come to the conclusion that Yliastser are the in universe reason that ks responsible for this change via their meddling.
Crow was definitely supposed to be the final dark signer. I mean look at Goodwin's earthbound immortal. It looks like a Phoenix/Bird. This was probably supposed to be Crow's earthbound monster.
Once again, no. Has no motive to be evil + deck is based off tengu demons. Condors aren't solid black. Also look at Goodwin's shirt, it has the condor!
i was just making this comment too lol i think if godwin was supposed to be the final dark signer he should of gotten an earthbound immortal based on the nazca lines tree, imagine rex summoning it then it is in the middle of the area and then rex and yusei have their riding duel ontop of the tree, so they are riding on branches and making jumps. missed opportunity.
Godwin especially with his susness from well before Crow was revealed, don't even need to know his design in having condor just his general character, seemed like he was pretty set in stone as both Dark Signer and his more background work as final one once allies have failed him and he can't manipulate the Signers anymore. Though Crow as later signer and only Yusei and Jack against Godwin could have had them do some cool stuff with driving in opposite direction on it, meeting at the Tip/Beak and having Jack taken out there to have a good shot of a Yusei yell as Jack falls down. Or really another other good effects of having 2 against a Bird user with two wings.
Yeah, Godwin was an obvious villain from the start. The missing arm was revealed before we even knew what a dark signer was. So I can't see Crow being the final villain. I definitely buy the idea he was supposed to take Bommers spot as a dark signer though.
Here’s the thing it’s hard to say if crow dying and coming back as a dark signer is really hard to buy because he had no reason to hate any other signers on like every other dark signers
Qrow could hate the structure of society and how he wants to protect kids but ultimately can't due to the status/marking on his face. Idk something like that.
@@krampusapprenticeofdarksan7870 did we watch the same show? That was kalin's role, we don't need a clone. Believe it or not, not everyone is bitter when under bad circumstances. It's possible to still go on
I am gonna make a video about this conspiracy but... The influence of some 5Ds fans between the showrunners in the Arc-V anime helped to ruin the show. Let me explain: Scarlight was not meant to be in the Arc-V main booster series (you can see that Jack is the ONLY one to get a cover in Arc-V main series, every other booster only have the Yu boys' monsters on the cover). Also, the Odd-Eyes Arcray Dragon plot (merge the Dimensional Dragons with the 4 nature cards into one) was meant to be real since the middle of the show but it was discarded due to lack of time wasted in the Synchro Dimension. So, Z-ARC was not supposed to be in the main booster series as well and the Odd-Eyes Venom and Odd-Eyes Wing would be in the cover of the main series (Nirvana High Paladin only exists because of these 5Ds fans between the showrunners). This is my conspiracy theory and I think it is pretty solid due to these points :v
Futhermore, Odd-eyes Wing was meant to be summon in the Synchro Dimension arc but the problems in the production due to this wasted time took it away until the final duel of the show (Yugo vs Yuya was real and they erase it because of these problems on the show by that time; Nirvana was not meant to exist at all, Odd-Eyes Wing would be the cover card on The Dark Illusion). These 5Ds fans in the showrunners wanted so bad to recreate Yusei vs Jack with Yuya that a lot of things was changed or erased. You can see how Odd-Eyes Wing 3D model is pratically finished and well used, and Odd-Eyes Venom is not that great and sometimes was replaced by a hand-drawn animation. I know, big theory, but I liked it
the only problem with the boosters thing is that Konami is in charge of the games in Japan, but the anime is Shueshia's, so I don't know how much input the anime has on what the covers finally are. There are a lot of cards that the anime creates that don't get printed until years later (none of the Vrains S2 villains have their deck printed yet) so when a card actually gets printed not longer after it appears in the anime is probably because Konami planned it or they have enough time to sync up with the anime staff.
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu yes, this is the only point but Arc-V has so much problems that I don't discard the idea of some influence of this 5Ds fans in the company and all 😅
Imagine if Crow was the Dark Signer Leo had to face, and Leo’s Signer Mark, which was supposed to be the Head, or Tail if Yusei gets the Head, instead gets the Heart Sign and uses it to save Crow from dying after losing the Duel. And then to redeem himself, he goes on to duel with Yusei and Jack against Rex in the final battle, and earns the Tail Mark, making CROW the Sixth Signer (in order of obtaining his mark). Thoughts?
Wouldn't happen - crow doesn't hurt children period, he's a carer after all. Plus there's literally nothing crow has for redemption, he didn't do any wrong
Well, I think peronsallly bomber was supposed to be Rua’s opponent. They dueled already, so we have the rematch storyline here, and bombers thing is to deal burn damage (and destroy). What does life stream dragon do? Block effect damage. Who else would rua duel? Ruka would’ve gotten to duel dvack on her own, and if rua would’ve been a signer he wouldn’t have shared a duel. It didn’t just push rua to the side, but aki and ruka too
No it doesn't. Crow uses tengu demons, condors aren't that, 2 different birds. That would be like if Rio another winged beast user or Mai used BWs, they don't
One thing I don't think I notice a lot of people talking about in regards to if Crow was actually the final villain in the Dark Signers arc, is...what's the final duel gonna be like then? Obviously Crow, Jack and Yusei would be in it, but who takes Crow's spot on the signer's side? Nobody else has a D-Wheel except Trudge (and you are not telling me he is dueling in the final duel), Rua and Ruka don't get their D-Boards until next season from Luciano. Part of me theorized potentially Rua duels as the third member and just rides like off to the side of Jack's D-Wheel, kinda like how the twins were hanging when they were all riding with Jack to the second Yusei Gear in the final arc. And that he gets knocked off from Rasca's effect making him unable to continue, if that kind of plan kept in action. Rua could end up getting the signer mark here, or as people have mentioned, against Bomber, I could see it happening either way. Could be more theories as well if anyone has any. Oh yeah also interesting fun fact: Life Stream Dragon doesn't stop Rasca's effect in the anime, setting a player's LP to a value isn't actually effect damage.
For me I think Crow's change was much more closer to swapping signer reveal with Lua, since while the very first showing of the Heart in Stardust Accelerator was just after 51 setting 6 signers by end fairly early it must have been in development for considerably longer than not just the mere weeks between Black Fog and Crow's return but much more around the time Crow himself was first introduced given what it covers. He would have also fit being last revealed as a main char being the last to be signer AND last to have Dragon show up in Flashback while being one of the few with Turbo Duel riding skills keeping him very relevant in general and in multiple duels to prepare reveal. So for me he was either meant to dip out for a while (since he really didn't meet condition to be Dark Signer if he died and also fit much more as lovable rogue at worst char) and be part of crew later, or still survive on latent Signer power against fog as foreshadowing (as active signer powers have protected from such stuff before) and either fight the least established Dark Signer in Demak of still being behind the rest like Lua was or if it was still 5 v 5 + Roman as final fight help Lua, setting him up as inspiration/mentor too linking to ending. With then the big change being the final Roman battle would be just Yusei and Jack to have it be the regular rivalry team up with expanding a duel for more time not being too hard to do of "add another jobber" or "add a few more filler turns". Since really big rewrites are pretty hard to do within a show of that size and time crunch when going by weeks (see how Opening spoilers often lock stuff in for anime even if made purely as anime) alongside how general directions for chars are fairly well set BUT swapping two characters in the same rough path to push the Older and cooler one to spotlight earlier isn't as hard. Really his push forward could have come from their basic plans for the future, knowing how long the show will run but going arc by arc in writing except certain big things that a big reveal to reward long term viewers or general goals like Lua becoming pro Turbo Duellist in distant finale, where Turbo Duel use is more important and he works better being set up faster compared to the kids, since affect one twins development affects both. The far stronger big change I think happened in 5Ds is Z-One actually being some future Yusei since it fits in quite a few ways and the different story of 5Ds manga treats Z-one as a possible Yusei future and the amount of work needed to change course is not just far easier than turning Crow evil but even easier than my theory of two signers swapping relevance to keep the perfect Yusei image. Though probably a much more background change in having a face reveal be something big but going back on initial idea just after finalising design quite a bit earlier in arc while having time to explain it away properly yet still being noticeably weird it occurs.
Your archetype being popular in the OCG - The ULTIMATE plot armor. So much so that it made a very clear moment of death become null and void. It's blatant that Crow was never supposed to be a signer. They changed it mid-season.
The best theory i heard was that the old writers were leaving and one of the new writers was a fan of crow. This explains why the cult stuff was removed and got replaced with saving the future time travel.
I do believe that Leo's story was changed as well. He already had what looked like a Signer Dragon in the form of Power Tool Dragon yet said dragon was never counted as being part of the "Signer Dragons" and there was no foreshadowing to it evolving into Life Stream. For all we know Life Stream was supposed to be Crow's dragon yet it got swapped for Black Feather thanks to how good Crow's archetype was.
I think a big question you didn't include in this discussion is "What Crow's Earthbound Immortal would've been?" I can't see it having been the whale one, "Chacu Challhua". That just doesn't fit him as a character or the theme of his deck very much.
He was clearly supposed to be a minor antagonist/side character from the beginning but the popularity of his deck changed things, for the worse in my opinion. Him being the final boss of the arc is, honestly, nonsense. I don't know how people came to that conclusion, that would be like saying Keith would be the final boss of Duelist Kingdom.
Considering that Goodwin Earthbound Immortal was a bird, he dueled while standing and didnt use a single spell during a Speed Duel, it does feel like Crow would have been the final antagonist. I mean, how is hiding a fridge supposed to help? Its not a bomb! Not to mention how his inclusion in the final duel seemed odd. Yes, it was a Riding Duel, but i think Crow was the only one who used Speed Spells, so why not make it a Master Duel and include Aki? But when you think about Crow being the final opponent, it would have made sense story wise, especially when you consider his two opponents were Yusei and Jack, two characters that werre opposite of one another and slowly worked together.
Nope, wouldn't work. Crow is in no way evil and his deck is based off ancient Japanese tengu demons. That's not what a condor is. Also take a closer look at Goodwin's shirt, it literally has the condor symbol.
I read that before, but they didn't build Crow to be a Dark Signer. I can believe he was just meant to die, and maybe return when the DS were defeated but him becoming evil it's difficult, and more when the DS and Earthbounds were the ones who killed the people in Satelite
i do believe he was supposed to be a dark signer but not the final boss. but in my head cannon i make the reason for the change the Iliaster time shenanigans
Arc-V has a ton of conspiracy theories like the Zarc design and Synchro arc stalling. Vrains definitely had some dropped plot points regarding Queen and the SOL Tech "traitor" that could be expanded on as well .
@@mystery8820people just believe that because Revolver suggested they had an spy, that piece of info will be relevant. Which technically could've been, but it was just an explanation of why Revolver knew things, and that was enough
Honestly I definitely can agree on this theory it wouldn’t surprise me if crow did die it’s crazy none of the 5ds cast died I’m talking about the main characters not side characters like Carly and misty
Better that way I guess otherwise it would be a case like GX were Jaden most of the time was the one to save the day instead of the other main or secondary characters
I like to think the crimson dragon choose to evolve black-winged dragon into a signer dragon. So maybe crimson dragon also somehow granted some slight protection to crown in that moment as well.
While Crow's role and prominence in the 5D's story was obviously changed I don't think he was ever really intended to become a Dark Signer and I don't think it would have been a good idea if he did become one because 1. He doesn't really have anyone that he seeks revenge on, unlike the other Dark Signers 2. Crow turning evil wouldn't really be all that impactful because was just barely introduced and 3. Having an old friend of Yusei's turn evil would just be retreading the same ground as Kiryu
I think certain parts of the theory are right but not others I thibk it goes without saying that Crow was meant to die and others have already pointed out how Life Stream Dragon was probably meant to be summoned in the duel against Bommer/Grieger. Akiza, Jack, Yusei and Luna all had a Dark Signer who was their personal failing and Grieger was clearly meant to be Leo's. That leaves the two "bosses" the goodwins and theres no part of me thar belives Rex Goodwin wasnt always meant to be the big bad. I think Crow became a popular enough character in the writing team that his death and signer status were changed but I think he was never meant to be a Dark Signer. Edit: especially since the manner that Crow gets his dragon is weird, it's just IN his bike after the Dark Signer arc
Yep, I think you summarized it perfectly. Crow was meant to die just as Martha had, while Bommer was supposed to duel Rua. Crow was likely nothing more than a side character when he was first introduced, but the change in head writers likely led to him being promoted to a lead. Unfortunate that Aki, Rua, and Ruka, got shafted for what was likely just a writer's pet, but whatever.
If it was JUST meant for Crow to die there, then it would’ve been a pretty lame death tbh. However, if the plan was for him to become a dark signer, then him being taken by the most would’ve been the PERFECT moment to for that to happen.
Here’s one that I like and is my personal head canon: When Zarc split into 4 people (Yuya, Yuri, Yuto and Yugo), he took the “best duelists” souls from each dimension into the Yu-boys, to make sure he is never defeated. Yuya = Yugi Yuri = Jaden/Yubel Yugo = Yusei Yuto = Yuma
I can believe crow was meant to die and become a dark signer but i feel there big bad is a bit of a stretch, theres no denying leo and luna got screwed over in this show though
next conspiracy theory i've been peddling for a while: the light of destruction was never actually defeated in gx, so 5ds is the future where it won in the end while zexal was the opposite. remember that darkness, not the LOD, was the final boss and how he foreshadowed all the other yugiohs? there is so much i could say about this
My theory is that the crimson dragon realised that Leo was not a good duelist and then he saw Crow otk 3 people at the same time he said "Man that is kinda cool" and then he just made him a signer. By the end of 5ds i bet the dragon was having a panic attack because Leo almost ruins the duel against aporia but then he made a good play, gave him a signer mark and Life stream dragon.
I always thought crow was supposed to be a dark signer and use the hummingbird earthbound, most of the earthbound immortals colors match the duelist and hummingbird matches crows
@@comet_dragonarchfiend6304 so? There are plenty of kaiba uses a blue dragon and his hair is brown. Literally no corellation. It being winged doesn't mean he'd use it, that would be like saying yugi's ace is gagaga magician or timebreaker magician (spellcasters)
Not sure if this counts as a conspiracy, but I heard that there was supposed to be a GX movie, which was later cancelled and replaced with the Domino City arc
I'm conspiracy theory is that Yugi and/or Pharoah gave Joey Time Wizard at the beginning of Duelist Kingdom cause he knew it would synergize well with baby Dragon and become a go to strategy but that Time Wizard worked better with Dark Magician and he did this to eventually knock Joey out of the tournament
That would be a tough conspiracy to sell, because yugi and joey never dueled in the duelist kingdom tournament the manga. Tea/Anzu asks if they have to fight since they both their matches in the quarter finals, and Yami Yugi says "That won't be necessary! Our objective was to beat Pegasus! Now that we've come this far, he's finally within our sights! If Jounouchi and I fought in front of him, it'd only expose more of our tactics!" and soon after Pegasus remarks to himself a duel between the two would be pointless because of their spirits and moves onto preparing his duel with yugi. This all happens in chapter 65 of Duelist (Volume 8) for the record.
There is one thing that you missed Dylan. His Blackwings designs look VERY south america inspired and guess where the Nasca lines are located? Correct in south america. But thats not even the most important part here. In the final duel against Godwin the Underworld King that attacks the Signers summons some of his minions. Black birds that look EXACTLY like Crows Blackwing Monsters. I mean if Wiraqocha Rasca isnt a dead give away already, THIS is! Like you said Takahashis memos for Crow say something completly diffrent from what we see in the show. Im VERY sure that he wasnt even supossed to duel while Yusei is present before the black mist. His design, the prison markings on his face originally were supposed to be his dark signer markings. Because lets be honest for what reason would he have 2 prison markings? No other charackter has more than one.
Crow uses tengu demons from Japanese mythology so no. Plus those things aren't even card monsters so it doesn't add up. There's more than 1 kind of bird yknow
@@Diamondr11Blue Dude his blackwings arent tengus. They are inspired by bird costumes they wear in south and middle america. Look at the cloth Bora and Siroco have. Thats not japanese. Those things? The minions of the underworld king? They look like birds with the exact same beaks that Bora, Siroco and Shura have. Seriously they dont have to be real cards to proof my point man
@@Diamondr11Blue Are you seriously using a blackwing card that came out years later as proof? Im talking about his first blackwing cards that are clearly aztec, inka and mayan inspired. After the dark signer arc he even had blackwings that are from the northpole. Its only about his first ones
@@FloundFahrdienst no they aren't. Similar clothing doesn't make it so. By this logic yugi's dark magician isn't japanese or Egyptian since it's not wearing a kimono or royal clothing 🤦♂️ And listen to some of the names, they're also Japanese folklorr.
a theory could be why there are not protagonists in arcV, another could be why the Yusei from the Zone time line has a different dragon(Cosmic Blazar Dragon)
It would've been crazy if crow died and was actually meant to be the dark signer to duel Leo, although I really don't he would be a dark signer. The main theme with these dark signers is death, but it was also some form of revenge. Misty was angry and wanted revenge against the Arcadia movement for her brother, Carly was angry about Jack and also her job I believe, and of course kalin want revenge against his old team. If Crow died, he didn't have any real revenge he'd possibly want to get. He loved his home despite his problems, he cared for the kids in his area, and he had a good connection with his friends. Ultimately I'm not a major fan of the retcon because it does feel a bit forced in that way since we never see crows dragon, however crow becoming a dark signer to me would be weird, and looking back he was a good character and made sense as a signer, I just wish it was the original plan
Looks at Goodwin's Earthbound Immortal... A Giant Dark WingBeast Monster that takes the form of a large Carrion Bird Crow uses a Deck made almost exclusively out of Dark WingedBeast Monsters... Coincidence... I THINK NOT!
im kinda in the middle with this one. like, yes i do believe crow was meant to die and become a dark signer, but i dont believe he was meant to be the boss or top dark signer.
Wait so does that mean that originally theyd planned to have Leo become signer 5 after Rex loses the right? And hed have gained Lifestream Dragon THAT much earlier? Man, they really must have changed a LOT about the finale if thats what theyd planned to do before they suddenly got told to make Crow a more important character just a few episodes before said finale...
Life Stream probably wouldn't be a synchro tunner since at that point it wasn't a concept. but makes you wonder if the twins would get more screen time or not
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu Most definitely they were supposed to. You set up a character early into the show before it hits double digits where they even said "she was a dueling prodigy" yet all her duels have been nothing but another person assisting her except for 2 duels. 1 she had to fight some creep who mind controls her/digs into her mind, and her taking over the duel of Leo when really he(Leo) should have fought Bohman and the Ruka(Luna) vs her dark signer should have been in the Spirit world i'm guessing. Funny enough we never get to hear about the spirit world after the dark signors too so maybe when every other character during late 5ds was supposed to have an arc for themselves (Yusei crash town, Jack getting Red nova) maybe Aki was supposed to take down Arcadia and Divine once and for all since everyone revived but him for some reason, Luna was supposed to probably resolve the issue in the spirit world of maybe the after effects of the Earthbounds causing havoc there or something, and Leo probably trying to improve his deck combos since he admired Yusei and Yusei could have been his tutor since he pointed out the strong points and weak points of Morphtronics when they saved Yusei from sector security.
I think Leo was supposed to be Greiger’s opponent in the Satellite and not Crow. I think this is also originally where Leo was going to get his Signer Dragon in Life Stream Dragon. Life Stream Dragon’s main effect pretty well counters Greiger’s Reactors and Earthbound Immortal. Greiger’s deck is all about burn, and in the anime, Life Stream Dragon resets your lifepoints back to the starting point of 4000.
Yes, we saw Leo duel against Devack while Luna was in the Spirit Realm, but Luna technically won that duel. Leo did most of the work and Luna came back from the Spirit Realm to reclaim Ancient Fairy Dragon and deliver the final blow. In the Dark Signer Arc we never got to see Leo have that big moment and I think that would’ve happened when he dueled Dark Signer Greiger in a Fortune Cup rematch.
Leo dueling Greiger in the Satellite instead of Crow also would’ve been a great time to show Leo’s growth throughout the show to that point. From getting trounced by Greiger in the Fortune Cup, going card for card with Devack and almost beating him, to finally defeating Greiger when it mattered the most and finally proving his abilities as a duelist.
Had Leo dueled Greiger in the Satellite instead of Crow, I can see a moment happening where Luna tries to jump in and save him only for him to tell her to stay out of it, as the duel is something he has to do on his own.
There is one last thing i want to add
Both Yusei and Aki already dueled their respective dark signer opponent before they head together to the sattelite, and Rua dueled Bommer before in the grand prix so you’d think Bommer’s opponent would be Leo as they already have a connection to each other but nope, instead he duels a guy he just met who’s suppossed to be dead
that makes sense. It would also explain why Bommer was freed by the Dark Signers episodes before the mist appears and kills everyone.
Yes, and probably Rua would have invoked the Life Stream Dragon in that duel since it had been previously foreshadowing and its relationship (in design) with Power Tool Dragon was always evident. Thus, Goodwing's mark would have passed to Rua and there would be no need over 100 chapters later to invent a sixth mark.
Honestly, I'm not even mad. Crow is a great character, it just sucks that they put Aki aside for that.
While I agree at least for the match with Godwin, there are absolutely ways they could've written Aki into the S3-5 arcs a lot better. It felt like they were setting up Aki to alternate with the rest of the team in a few duels and even a matchup in the WRGP vs Sherry, which would have been EPIC.
Honestly in spite of real life I think it worked out for the best writing wise.Yusei,Jack and Crow being brothers again after being at odds for years handle all the heavy enemies from then on as they are used to fighting their whole lives for survival unlike their new friends. Admittedly I would have like seen Aki build a rotary or weld a D-Wheel frame or use her stand powers for mechanical stuff but what we got was ok.
Girl character always didn't matter in yugioh. Nothing special
The only problem I have with the "dark signer crow" theory is that the assumption is that crow was supposed to be the final villain of the dark signers arc, even though that doesn't really make a lot of sense.
I think that what would've made more sense would have been to make roman the final boss of the arc. There were already a lot of signs that pointed to roman being the final boss of the arc. The thing that introduces the dark signers is when yusei and jack see the vision of the spider mark during the duel in the fortune cup. Roman is the one who possesses people with his spiders (which are the first conflicts any characters have with dark signer type characters) and he turned greiger into a dark signer. Roman's also the one who really set the plot in motion by causing the ener-D reactor to go critical, releasing the earthbound immortals. And he also has a personal beef with Yusei not only because of his history with Yusei's father, but also because roman basically killed yusei's friends and mother figure.
So make Roman the final villain, have crow die when he gets engulfed in the smoke, giving him the condor sign. Have greiger duel leo, and that's how leo gets life stream dragon and becomes a signer (another comment pointed out that leo having a rematch with greiger would work really well because greiger's deck is based around burn and life stream dragon is based around life point restoration) and have yusei duel against crow. Or maybe even have yusei and jack team up to beat crow. Having the two of them team up to save their friend would be really good moment for the both of them.
I love the dark signers arc as it is, but it's pretty clear that (much like 5ds as a whole) poor planning holds it back in some areas. And I (much like many fans) would really like to know what the initial plan for the dark signers arc was, because it's pretty clear that there were some substantial changes along the way
I'm almost positive Greiger was shown being freed from Security by Devak during the fall of the Arcadia Building. This was 5 episodes even before the mist came and killed everyone
Yes he was freed as Arcadia was being defeated by the dark signers
I never expected Crow to have as much importance as he eventually did when I was watching the show subbed as a teen, I always got the vibe he'd be somewhat of a gag character like Hassleberry or Bastion.
I think Crow was meant to be a recurring supporting character: either to bring trouble or support the main group (sort of like Manabu in some ways for a recent comparison). However, something changed in the production of 5Ds that made Crow become more than a secondary character and even bring a retcon to the story that 5Ds set out from the beginning of the series.
While there are "justifications" for saying that Aki(za) was going to lose her relevance as 5Ds progressed, that doesn't explain why they left out the twins (Leo and Luna) after the Dark Signer Arc.
I think that is a sign that a character has been built with a story in mind, but that, outside of that story, he/she is not a relevant character since they don't know what to do with him/her if he/she were in all the Episodes.
What changed? New director with a birdbrain fetish.
Great vid! I just rewatched this arc and this is definitely my favourite Yu-Gi-Oh conspiracy as all signs point to it being true.
I also strongly believe Crow was meant to be a Dark Signer as his boss monster (Armor Master) has lines on him resembeling the Dark Signer's look and his entire deck is themed around dark Winged-Beasts which lines perfectly with the condor Earthbound Immortal. His "death" also happened with him shouting that he won't die in a place like satellite, and dying with resentment and hatred is needed to become a Dark Signer. You could also see that in the duel between Rua and Demak the writers were setting up Power Tool Dragon for something as his armor started to break but it ended up leading to nothing. There are just too much things pointing to this conspiracy being true.
I LOVE this arc but I can't stop thinking about what could have been. Just imagine Rua VS Dark Signer Bommer as a revenge match for the fortune cup, only this time Rua IS a signer or Crow being a dark signer with a twisted way to take revenge on the city for what satellite had to endure. It just writes itself.
No it doesn't. It appeared way before the dark signers. Crow's deck is tengu demons, not condors. 2 different birds
@@Diamondr11Bluecrow's deck and the condor aren't a perfect match, but both fortune ladies and the hummingbird and robot and the whale are way more different.
@@jaernihiltheus7817 yeah but he still has no reason to come back as a vengeful villain. Doesn't exactly add up. The dark signers EIs seem to represent them even if it doesn't fit their decks
@@Diamondr11Blue the hummingbird makes sense for carly personality wise, but how does the whale make sense for greiger?
Keep in mind I'm not arguing that crow was originally meant to be a signer, I'm just saying that them being different kinds of birds isn't much of an argument against it. Especially when you factor in the other dark signers like how the monkey signer uses mostly ape wizards and the lizard signer uses mostly snake-women & dragons.
The only dark signer whose deck & earthbound immortal lines up exactly is the spider guy.
@@jaernihiltheus7817 my guess is because it's large and a force of strength like grieger himself. Kalin's represents the huge fear yuseu held of him to overcome maybe. How would crow be the hummingbird? It's not a fighter
@Yugioh Everything I loved the video! I was also here to let you know I found a dubbing error I thought you would like you know about. In Yugioh VRAINS Season 2 episode 18 (compare to Episode 64 in Subbed) at 15:29 Playmaker performs the link summon of Gaia Saber, The Lightning Shadow. He lists off the correct conditions and the right link animation goes off however Playmaker’s voice over says “I summon Link 2” not Link 3. I don’t know if you knew this already but thought it funny as I have been making my way through the dubbing of my favorite Yugioh series. Have a great day everyone!
I remember watching 5Ds as it aired and noticed how Crow always seemed to have really weird moments of being absent in certain scenes where he should be in with the other characters; I personally wonder if some of these scenes were animated BEFORE it was decided that Crow survived (or would be present for these scenes).
The one that stands out the most is when Yusei is battling Rudgar, Crow is absent from Luna's protection but is still fairly close to the duel and likely within the Geoglyth's area of effect (doesn't even make sense for him to wonder off while going down or that nobody would notice or care that this happened) but he is somehow fine and is even able to give Yusei a big pep talk during this scene? Always thought that that was weird.
Very interesting Dylan! I always wondered how Crow survived when everyone else didn't. Even by anime standards, it makes virtually no sense that he just somehow pops out a refrigerator and is fine.
Crow pulled an Indiana Jones. 😂
If I had a nickle for every time someone survived a WMD using a fridge, I'd have two nickles. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
Over/under odds that Ono's a massive fan? Would hardly be the ONLY time that hack has been self-indulgent.
This is just my take, but since as others have mentioned below Bomber was set up before he appeared, and his grudge against Goodwin started all the way back in the grand prix, I think Crow was always meant to *eventually* become a Signer... but Leo was supposed to do it first. Leo had dueled, and lost to, Bomber before, the dragon Luna dreamt about was Leo's dragon... Crow still has history and was friends with Yusei as a kid, and more of Crow's backstory and dragon show up in season 2. So I think its less he got amped up and more Leo got pushed down.
*"the dragon Luna dreamt about was Leo's dragon..."*
Uh, are we sure the original plan was for Leo's Power-Tool to evolve into Life Stream? I mean, Power-Tool already looks like it was supposed to be a Signer's Dragon yet not even the OPs treat it as such and there was no foreshadowing at all for it to be able to evolve.
@@toumabyakuyawhen leo was Fighting demak, leo saw power tool was moving to protect leo (like stardust did when yusei was Fighting Aki in the hospital after She got angry at seeing her father with yusei). You could say that power tool "got life" because in a shadow duel monsters attacks are real but in 5ds (im not talking about dm and gx) in all the shadow duels, the monsters dont speak (except ancient fairy) and they dont show any sign of feelings or thoughts. If leo's, powertool moved by its own (surprising leo at that time) It was powertool was a special sincro at that time like stardust and ancient fairy (now we know It was inside there was a signer dragon too).
@@BraianV5 But, you just proved that he isn't unique, what with Stardust Dragon acting in a similar manner.
@@toumabyakuya stardust is a signer dragon. Im not saying any other random card proove to have feelings. Im saying only signer dragons shown to have some kind of life (stardust, ancient fairy and power tool)
@@BraianV5 But again, that Stardust Dragon (a Signer Dragon) moves and shows to be sentient just proves my theory that Power Tool Dragon was suppossed to be a Signer Dragon.
I'm probably gonna get flooded with comments detracting this, but I can see how Crow should've been a Dark Signer based on the final duel between Yusei Jack and Crow vs Godwin. The duel felt clunky and very repetitive for Godwin while the protagonists just played cards and said "trust me bro".
Even Godwin's Synchros Sun Dragon Inti and Moon Dragon Quilla felt like they were meant for Crow; the sun dragon light attribute represents Crow's life of trying to raise the children, the dark attribute to represent the darkness of Satellite/becoming a signer. But even the Earthbound Immortal used "Wiraqocha Rasca" is a Winged Beast Dark Attribute monster. Gee, I wonder who uses Winged Beasts that are Dark Attributes? (Even the potential combo of Rasca's effect + Armor Master (anime) Wedge Counters sounds like an op endgame strategy for Yusei to overcome.) But jokes aside, the cards and how they flow fit Crow, especially since the main strategy of Blackwings both in the anime and irl are about flexibility in summoning and always keeping the field replenished while oppressing your opponent. Crow has synchro summoned by raising/lowering levels, summoned w/ one card, synchro using a synchro, even synchro summoned with monsters from the grave. The cards of Godwin SCREAMS Crow and his battle styles given by the writers.
I get what you say about Rasca, but seriously Inti and Quilla looks like Crow's cards? They are Inca gods and up to that point Crow didn't have any relation to Inca stuff, unlike Godwin who was related to it and had a condor symbol on his clothes since the beginning
Not sure if this counts, but... What do you think of Zane's heel turn being randomly ended in Season 3 from everything to him getting rid of Mr Shroud almost instantly, to Zane never dueling Jaden after his duel against Syrus?
Hell Kaiser did duel Judai in Season 3 but that duel was a no result because of his heart.
@@x-mighty7602 True but that was to help Jaden get over what he did as the supreme king and after Zane stopped having an antagonistic role
@@nellewoodruff6337 Oh ok. Now I get what you mean.
I don't think there would've been a point to him dueling Jaden. As for his turn, it made sense to me. He only fell as far as he did because he got the wrong help when he hit rock bottom. It's not like he stopped obsessing over power and victory, he just was able to acknowledge the importance of other things again. Even at his absolute most despicable point he tried to give Cyrus what was genuine advice from his perspective. So finding out he was dying probably put things in perspective and once again made him reconsider his priorities.
@christophermitchell9739 @christophermitchell9739 Understandable but it could've been built upon more I think. The shift is very sudden imo
Crow was definitely changed. Aki was the third shown various times while leo was gonna join up and get his dragon as we see in the anime and flashback before they changed it to black wing.
That's the only problems i have with 5ds signer arc but what we got out of it was still pretty epic overall and made sense crow would help at the end ws aki wasn't a driver yet.
Akiza doesn't have the synergy with them is why
@@Diamondr11Blueshe did just come out of a cult so give her a break. The English version acts like she actually got fixed when she was still going through a lot.
I mean we see what she saw in misty and the kids right before joining and even divine came out during her fight showing she had lingering care for that sect.
Plus she's the main love interest too. Can't be that and Joey at the same time
@@ivanbluecool love interest≠ bond with both yusei AND jack. She has absolutely nothing to tie her to him other than the mark, and Jack in the sub never calls her by first name meaning they aren't close. The 3 boys grew up together as brothers so it makes sense imo
@@Diamondr11BlueKaiba has 0 bond with joey. According to you "love is not bond" chazz has 0 bond with Alexis and Jesse and - 10 bonds with chazz or alexis. I think you get the point, the main trío has to have a bond with the MC, not with the Mc and his friends.
@@BraianV5 kaiba doesn't have a bond to yugi period. He's just angry he can't beat the pharoah
The fridge is so strong that can save you from death
Here’s a conspiracy theory video that could be a future video: the mystery towards the Mole for VRAINS. Who is this person who seems to be the inside to help Aoi’s brother?
Definitely a cool theory. If I recall correctly, you're reborn as a Dark Signer if you also have some sort of vengeance to fulfill - I wonder what Crow's would've been if he had turned into a Dark Signer after perishing in the dark mist.
Another interesting 5D's theory to look at could be whether Z-one was "intended" to actually be Yusei's future counterpart.
He doesn't have any so moot point. Can't say say the oppressed society thing bc both anime versions weren't been on revenge about it
Probably the kids if I’m going to be honest
Something something "the black mist is killing people i care about in the satellite- i must have vengeance/justice
@@flareongirl3606 still wouldn't work. He never wanted revenge
@@jaernihiltheus7817 that doesn't make you become a dead villain tho
His va sure loves to play dying characters
Next theory the arc v timelines and what actually is happening
This is honestly so trippy to see that crow survived that mist, that shouldn't have been possible. Thinking about these conspiracy theories are so fascinating to hear and I always love thinking about 'what if' in these ideas, the endless possibilities really get me going. Great video, my man, can't wait to see more from this series! :)
If we look at the ending view with the scrap heap the signers are on top and all dark signers under them.
I would say it counts where the feet are, Crow is above Rex but below Leo and Luna and Crow is also looking down.
A interesting aspect:
Since the book says that he seems to be one who would steal Yuseis D-Wheel maybe that is the reason why Yusei vs Roman was standing duel? Because Crow stole Yuseis D-Wheel?
And about the signer dragons: All signer dragons have a different attribute except Red Demons Dragon and Black Feather Dragon - both are Dark!
It's clear for me that Crow was supposed to be a Dark Signer.
You know, I'm gonna say it: I think Crow surviving and becoming a good guy was worth it. No, I don't like how Aki and Leo got shafted (mostly) until the last arc of the show, but Crow's writing after coming back was worth them scrapping the original plans.
What I would've done to keep both Crow and Leo relevant is still give Crow the fight against Bommer, and move Black-Winged Dragon's origin story to that episode, while making Devack just a bit harder and longer. Make Luna join in the Duel and about to be defeated, and Leo's persistence brings out Life Stream Dragon, keeping both alive and allowing them to reverse the duel on Devack. "But how would Crow survive"? Simple: BWD keeps him alive. If anything, BWD's effect of absorbing effect damage and turning back on its foes makes some logical sense as to why Crow could still be around, and fits in well with his character arc.
No, its not clean, as Crow pretty definitively should've died in episode 41 or so. Like, dude should be flat out dust and echoes until the signers beat Godwin and bring everyone back. But I still think that Crow adds a lot to the cast of 5D's and the overall plot points should've been kept. I don't think at least in S2 Aki has any less of a story being told because of Crow's existence, so I don't think he'd take away from that. If anything, during the WRGP arc I'd have Team 5D's lose the fight against Team Unicorn, and then Aki brings out a comeback duel in a loser's-bracket styled qualifier that allows Team 5D's to progress (potentially VS Sherry's team, that would've been an amazing duel) to the finals. I'd probably do it by having Team Unicorn get taken out of the fight by Team Catastrophe and a special match be held to see who progresses to the finals.
At this point Dylan should write his own fan alternative dark signer arc with crow as a dark signer and leo getting his mark/life stream earlier
This is definitely a classic theory from this series. I honestly didn’t even think about the black mist and how it killed people almost instantly. But I do now believe that the popularity of the Blackwings ruined the perfect chance for Rua’s arc to come full circle.
One theory I always had since the final arcs of ZEXAL is Yuma being related to Don Thousand because Don Thousand looks like an adult Yuma with his hair down and gold instead of black. Sure, Astral and Yuma are revealed to be one and the same and Number 96 being from Don Thousand, but we have no information on how that one non-Number part of Astral (Yuma) had not been discovered by Don Thousand the moment he was born or how he came to be born on Earth to begin with. How did they even get to Earth, and wouldn’t Yuma bear more resemblance to Astral if only 96 was the piece of Don Thousand? Do you think that maybe Yuma was supposed to be Don Thousand and they changed it because they went halfway into the final arc “This sunshine boy can’t possibly the incarnation of something so evil!”?
Imo number 96 is the memory of don thousand that astral had. I mean, 96 is a memory of astral itself but a sad/bad memory. While astral was Fighting don thousand, he learned he needed to destroy all varían World and that thought created number 96. Thats the reason why 96 keeped telling astral he needed his own shadow to do whats need to be done (without darkness, astral, wouldnt be able to accept his duty destroying varían World)
Crow stealing Yusei’s D-Wheel sounds like Jack at the beginning of the show
All your points are completely valid, expect for one thing. The Blackwing archetype released as 5Ds was airing, and the whole season finished production before it started airing, this is how all media works. Are you telling me that Blackwings became the most popular archetype ever in 21 days and they said "Scrap all the animation! We´re spend the entire week reanimating the next 20 episodes!"? This whole thing gets even weirder when you consider all the points that you brought up. Maybe they were trying to get us to think Crow was gonna be a Dark Signer, so then people would make RUclips videos and Reddit threads about it, thus getting Konami free publicity.
The cards didn't even release until a month after his debut so it still doesn't make sense. These are unreliable theories fans made up
here is the thing about crow which is very interesting, because I do believe that crow was supposed to be the main villain of the dark signer's arc. he showed up, was a cool guy to yusei, and tied to his backstory. rex godwin eventually became the villain of the dark signers arc BUT i actually think he was supposed to be the main villain of the entire show. there was so much build up to him but him being the main villain of the dark signers arc seemed rushed. having godwin be the final villain of the entire series and having crow as the final villain of the dark signers arc that can eventually return to being human and join the team makes better sense.
BUT there is another reason why i think crow would of been the dark signer leader. when it was godwin he used an earthbound immortal called wiraqocha rasca which was a condor, I.E. a big flipping bird that would of been perfect for crow. the other earthbound immortals were based on the spider, hummingbird, monkey, lizard, giant and killer whale. with this in mind we can see there is already a bird in the hummingbird so godwin also having a bird means either they just wanted another bird or they planned the bird for crow and then put godwin as the main villain. the condor does not fit godwin like it fits crow, and furthermore there are better nazca line picks for godwin if he was intended to be the leader. if godwin was always going to be the final dark signer then he should of been given the dog or snail to make himself different, or probably the biggest missed opportunity in the entire show, give him the tree. IMAGINE rex summons the tree and it just takes up most of the city then yusei and rex have a riding duel ONTOP of the tree so they are going around tree branches and doing jumps. do you know how cool that sounds?
No. Rex has the condor symbol on his shirt +crow uses tengu demons, not condors. Different birds
@@Diamondr11Blue Yeah so? Carly's immortal is a hummingbird but she uses a Fairy Deck, Grieger has a Whale as his Immortal but uses Sea based machines, Kallen's Immortal is a Giant and he uses Fiend Monsters.
As long as there is a somewhat vague connection it's enough, Crow uses Winged Beasts and the Condor is a Bird.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 nah not this time. Goodwin literally has the symbol on him starting from his first appearance. Final boss was already made before crow showed up period
Hey Dylan ! Hope you're gonna like this theory cause I find it truly insane and it comes from one of my friends, so all credit to them for all the thoughts they put into this. So it's about Astral in Zexal and how he was supposed to be nothing more than a weapon for his world. Starting from his name, Astral, being just the one of his world, as if he had no identity other than being from that world. If you were to create the perfect duelist, what would you give them ? Hands, to grab the cards and a body to be visible and fight (Kinda too bad no one on Earth can see him). Intellect, great analysis capacities, a strategic and rational mind, no more than that. And that's exactly what he is when we meet him for the first time, cold and boringly rational. He just remembers his name and how to duel and needs nothing more to survive. Speaking of surviving, notice how he didn't even fear death. He, of course, couldn't die because it would mean failing his mission but that doesn't mean he feared death.
As he and Yuma gather the Numbers, we're supposed to be revealed his past. But it never happened. What did we see exactly ? How he was born - from what seems to be a bubble - and that he went at war against Don Thousand. We didn't see a moment of childhood, a glimpse of his world, a happy memory, nothing. Why ? Because he actually doesn't have a life outside of being a weapon. And a disposable one, at that considering that Eliphas was ready to kill him when he judged him incapable of finishing his mission because his heart was "stained". Stained by what ? All the emotions he learnt to have by evolving on Earth and by Black Mist's chaos.
Last but not least, his design itself ressembles nothing like people from his world. He's completely deprived of sexual characteristics and doesn't wear clothes to hide them. By that, I mean that Ena is seemingly feminine by her breast and dress, Eliphas wears an armor that covers him completely and the astral people we see are all covered. All but one, the one nobody should consider as being part of the astral people if Astral is indeed a weapon.
I think more people deserve to know that theory because it just makes so much sense and once you've heard about it, you kinda can't unsee it ? So I'd really be so happy to have your thoughts on this, if not a whole video where you present it to us !
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Why no Fire Dragon?
Why backpedal on Z-ONE being an alternate-future Yusei?
The "Kotori must be in EVERY episode" theory.
Yuya v. Yugo?
Why the forgotten chess pieces?
Why Goha Yuga dropped like he was?
Crow just pulled off DSoD Kaiba lmao
Great theory. In my opinion, Leo should have became the 5th Signer and got his Life Stream Dragon at the beginning of the show and Dark Signer arc instead of Crow.
Even though the staff changed alot for the Dark Signer arc and Crow in 5Ds, it was still a great series and Crow was a top-notch duelist for 5Ds
I feel the show would of been better if Crow just died and never become a main character, because the moment he became a main character in the show it was when the quality of the show story went down quite a bit and crow just drags things down with most of his mediocre episodes that could of been better used to develop and give Akiza, Leo and Luna characters time to shine in the show so how I see it was one of the biggest mistake the writers have made by making Crow a main character
I've heard one Idea was Leo and Luna wouldn't of had the split duel againest Devak, Luna would have just dueled him by herself and after she won Greiger would had shown up as a dark signer, Luna would be to tired to have another duel so Leo steps up to duel him to protect his sister and gaining his dragon in the duel.
While the Leo vs Greiger duel is happening Yusei would drive to help after seeing the whale mark in the sky, and Crow would have under the same mind control Trugde was under when he dueled Jack would have duel Yusei to slow him down.
Dark Signer!Crow has some pretty cool potential to be an Au. Don’t think it would have happened in canon but fun to think about. Now I will say that Crow being the fifth Signer came out of nowhere when it was clearly meant to be Rua but I wouldn’t honestly mind it if Crow did eventually became a Signer. I remember seeing 5DS for the first time and thinking that maybe Rua will be the next Signer before I even know who Crow was. Thanks to spoilers though, I now know who was the fifth Signer
This theory sounds about right I assumed he came back because Deva lost and all the spirits were free and I assumed that crow soul was one apart of Diva earthbound so when he lost Crow came back
I’ve really never understood the insane hatred some people have for Crow. He’s not my favorite 5Ds character or anything but… he’s pretty cool, there’s nothing wrong with him. I really don’t see anything that egregious about his character that warrants some people writing whole paragraphs of text on Reddit about how he completely ruined the series.
The major counterpoint for this id say is that Devack is shown capturing Bommer from Security during the Carly vs Divine and Aki Vs Misty round 1 episodes, so they were clearly planning Bommer to do something with him, tho it couldve been to have Lua fight him and awaken then?
Rua and boomer have more of a relationship than crow and boomer
Not to mention crow and rally in tag force 4 are complete monsters in that game
You're missing one big thing though: in order to become a Dark Signer you gotta have a grudge against someone.
Rudger has a grudge against Yusei's dad.
Kiryu has a grudge against Yusei.
Misty has a grudge against Aki.
Carly has a grudge against Divine.
Bomber has a grudge against Godwin.
Crow doesn't have a grudge against anyone before that episode.
Imagine kalin and crow vs yusei and Jack in a turbo tag duel
good to see you back dylan. glad that your surgery went well.
Here's my 5Ds conspiracy theory for you: Red Nova being a Earthbound Immortal.
When you think about it, we saw all of the Earthbound Immortal monsters appearing in the anime, but not Red Nova. In fact, we never had a card for him right after 5Ds ended
My favorite ygo conspiracy: arc v ending.
Oh, I can't wait for Dyl to touch Arc-V. We've got the Zarc design, the Syncho arc stalling and so much more conspiracies for that series.
I think the original plan was for Bomber and Lua to have their rematch. Lifestream directly counters Bomber's burn strategy, and as for why Crow got bumped up...I mean, my guess is, since Lifestream is a tuner synchro, maybe Konami and the writers were having a back and forth on whether they'd have it on LS or not, they couldnt decide in time so they amped Crow up
BWD is anti burn so
@@Diamondr11Blue Yeah but obviously it wasn't a thing at that point, nor did it seem like it was ever going to be a thing originally. Lifestream, looking back, seemed to be the way they were going, but Crow's popularity deck wise in possible conjunction with them debating on whether to make it a tuner this early probably held it back.
I do believe this to be the case and ill also make the argument that crow was indeed a dark signer in the anime we got. In Z-ones timeline.
Ive been rewatching 5ds as of late and something stuck out to me during one of Z-ones flashbacks, the historical records of the dark signer events that made Yusei a hero, show nothing of Rex Godwin or his earthbound immortal. Its just deadass not present at all.
Given that we also know lifestream dragon was the original 5th signer dragon that battled the king of the underworld, ive come to the conclusion that Yliastser are the in universe reason that ks responsible for this change via their meddling.
Crow was definitely supposed to be the final dark signer. I mean look at Goodwin's earthbound immortal. It looks like a Phoenix/Bird. This was probably supposed to be Crow's earthbound monster.
Once again, no. Has no motive to be evil + deck is based off tengu demons. Condors aren't solid black. Also look at Goodwin's shirt, it has the condor!
i was just making this comment too lol i think if godwin was supposed to be the final dark signer he should of gotten an earthbound immortal based on the nazca lines tree, imagine rex summoning it then it is in the middle of the area and then rex and yusei have their riding duel ontop of the tree, so they are riding on branches and making jumps. missed opportunity.
Godwin especially with his susness from well before Crow was revealed, don't even need to know his design in having condor just his general character, seemed like he was pretty set in stone as both Dark Signer and his more background work as final one once allies have failed him and he can't manipulate the Signers anymore.
Though Crow as later signer and only Yusei and Jack against Godwin could have had them do some cool stuff with driving in opposite direction on it, meeting at the Tip/Beak and having Jack taken out there to have a good shot of a Yusei yell as Jack falls down. Or really another other good effects of having 2 against a Bird user with two wings.
When I saw that episode I was freaking out about that. The whole chosen new signer and signer dragon thing made me confused
Yeah, Godwin was an obvious villain from the start. The missing arm was revealed before we even knew what a dark signer was. So I can't see Crow being the final villain. I definitely buy the idea he was supposed to take Bommers spot as a dark signer though.
For what? He never wanted revenge
Here’s the thing it’s hard to say if crow dying and coming back as a dark signer is really hard to buy because he had no reason to hate any other signers on like every other dark signers
Wow someone with common sense. Kalin already was that character, why make crow a duplicate ?
Qrow could hate the structure of society and how he wants to protect kids but ultimately can't due to the status/marking on his face. Idk something like that.
@@krampusapprenticeofdarksan7870 did we watch the same show? That was kalin's role, we don't need a clone. Believe it or not, not everyone is bitter when under bad circumstances. It's possible to still go on
I got for a theory: was yugi supposed to defend his title as game master even after the battle city tournament?
If he did turn into a Dark Signer, would his deck then turn from "Blackwing" to "Darkwing"?
Just like kiryu, his deck would just stay the same.
I am gonna make a video about this conspiracy but... The influence of some 5Ds fans between the showrunners in the Arc-V anime helped to ruin the show. Let me explain: Scarlight was not meant to be in the Arc-V main booster series (you can see that Jack is the ONLY one to get a cover in Arc-V main series, every other booster only have the Yu boys' monsters on the cover). Also, the Odd-Eyes Arcray Dragon plot (merge the Dimensional Dragons with the 4 nature cards into one) was meant to be real since the middle of the show but it was discarded due to lack of time wasted in the Synchro Dimension. So, Z-ARC was not supposed to be in the main booster series as well and the Odd-Eyes Venom and Odd-Eyes Wing would be in the cover of the main series (Nirvana High Paladin only exists because of these 5Ds fans between the showrunners). This is my conspiracy theory and I think it is pretty solid due to these points :v
Futhermore, Odd-eyes Wing was meant to be summon in the Synchro Dimension arc but the problems in the production due to this wasted time took it away until the final duel of the show (Yugo vs Yuya was real and they erase it because of these problems on the show by that time; Nirvana was not meant to exist at all, Odd-Eyes Wing would be the cover card on The Dark Illusion). These 5Ds fans in the showrunners wanted so bad to recreate Yusei vs Jack with Yuya that a lot of things was changed or erased. You can see how Odd-Eyes Wing 3D model is pratically finished and well used, and Odd-Eyes Venom is not that great and sometimes was replaced by a hand-drawn animation. I know, big theory, but I liked it
the only problem with the boosters thing is that Konami is in charge of the games in Japan, but the anime is Shueshia's, so I don't know how much input the anime has on what the covers finally are. There are a lot of cards that the anime creates that don't get printed until years later (none of the Vrains S2 villains have their deck printed yet) so when a card actually gets printed not longer after it appears in the anime is probably because Konami planned it or they have enough time to sync up with the anime staff.
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu yes, this is the only point but Arc-V has so much problems that I don't discard the idea of some influence of this 5Ds fans in the company and all 😅
Imagine if Crow was the Dark Signer Leo had to face, and Leo’s Signer Mark, which was supposed to be the Head, or Tail if Yusei gets the Head, instead gets the Heart Sign and uses it to save Crow from dying after losing the Duel. And then to redeem himself, he goes on to duel with Yusei and Jack against Rex in the final battle, and earns the Tail Mark, making CROW the Sixth Signer (in order of obtaining his mark).
Thoughts?
Wouldn't happen - crow doesn't hurt children period, he's a carer after all. Plus there's literally nothing crow has for redemption, he didn't do any wrong
Well, I think peronsallly bomber was supposed to be Rua’s opponent. They dueled already, so we have the rematch storyline here, and bombers thing is to deal burn damage (and destroy). What does life stream dragon do? Block effect damage. Who else would rua duel? Ruka would’ve gotten to duel dvack on her own, and if rua would’ve been a signer he wouldn’t have shared a duel. It didn’t just push rua to the side, but aki and ruka too
Crow and Kalin as dark reflections to Yusei and Jack would’ve been awesome we could have even had a team Satisfaction tag duel
Can't believe crow pulled an Indiana jones
The fact the final earthbound immortal is a bird tells me everything i need, black winged dragon maybe was his dark synchro
No it doesn't. Crow uses tengu demons, condors aren't that, 2 different birds. That would be like if Rio another winged beast user or Mai used BWs, they don't
Don’t forget, the sludge monster summoned by Rex during the duel heading for the city looks like corrupted black winged dragon
Imo It look like the bones of life stream dragon.
One thing I don't think I notice a lot of people talking about in regards to if Crow was actually the final villain in the Dark Signers arc, is...what's the final duel gonna be like then? Obviously Crow, Jack and Yusei would be in it, but who takes Crow's spot on the signer's side? Nobody else has a D-Wheel except Trudge (and you are not telling me he is dueling in the final duel), Rua and Ruka don't get their D-Boards until next season from Luciano.
Part of me theorized potentially Rua duels as the third member and just rides like off to the side of Jack's D-Wheel, kinda like how the twins were hanging when they were all riding with Jack to the second Yusei Gear in the final arc. And that he gets knocked off from Rasca's effect making him unable to continue, if that kind of plan kept in action. Rua could end up getting the signer mark here, or as people have mentioned, against Bomber, I could see it happening either way. Could be more theories as well if anyone has any.
Oh yeah also interesting fun fact: Life Stream Dragon doesn't stop Rasca's effect in the anime, setting a player's LP to a value isn't actually effect damage.
For me I think Crow's change was much more closer to swapping signer reveal with Lua, since while the very first showing of the Heart in Stardust Accelerator was just after 51 setting 6 signers by end fairly early it must have been in development for considerably longer than not just the mere weeks between Black Fog and Crow's return but much more around the time Crow himself was first introduced given what it covers. He would have also fit being last revealed as a main char being the last to be signer AND last to have Dragon show up in Flashback while being one of the few with Turbo Duel riding skills keeping him very relevant in general and in multiple duels to prepare reveal.
So for me he was either meant to dip out for a while (since he really didn't meet condition to be Dark Signer if he died and also fit much more as lovable rogue at worst char) and be part of crew later, or still survive on latent Signer power against fog as foreshadowing (as active signer powers have protected from such stuff before) and either fight the least established Dark Signer in Demak of still being behind the rest like Lua was or if it was still 5 v 5 + Roman as final fight help Lua, setting him up as inspiration/mentor too linking to ending. With then the big change being the final Roman battle would be just Yusei and Jack to have it be the regular rivalry team up with expanding a duel for more time not being too hard to do of "add another jobber" or "add a few more filler turns".
Since really big rewrites are pretty hard to do within a show of that size and time crunch when going by weeks (see how Opening spoilers often lock stuff in for anime even if made purely as anime) alongside how general directions for chars are fairly well set BUT swapping two characters in the same rough path to push the Older and cooler one to spotlight earlier isn't as hard. Really his push forward could have come from their basic plans for the future, knowing how long the show will run but going arc by arc in writing except certain big things that a big reveal to reward long term viewers or general goals like Lua becoming pro Turbo Duellist in distant finale, where Turbo Duel use is more important and he works better being set up faster compared to the kids, since affect one twins development affects both.
The far stronger big change I think happened in 5Ds is Z-One actually being some future Yusei since it fits in quite a few ways and the different story of 5Ds manga treats Z-one as a possible Yusei future and the amount of work needed to change course is not just far easier than turning Crow evil but even easier than my theory of two signers swapping relevance to keep the perfect Yusei image. Though probably a much more background change in having a face reveal be something big but going back on initial idea just after finalising design quite a bit earlier in arc while having time to explain it away properly yet still being noticeably weird it occurs.
I agree it is sus. But i really like crow and my favorite deck is blackwings so im glad ge got to have a more significant role in the show.
Your archetype being popular in the OCG - The ULTIMATE plot armor. So much so that it made a very clear moment of death become null and void. It's blatant that Crow was never supposed to be a signer. They changed it mid-season.
The best theory i heard was that the old writers were leaving and one of the new writers was a fan of crow. This explains why the cult stuff was removed and got replaced with saving the future time travel.
Random Fridges > Plot Armor
Can we please stop using "Plot Armor" as a reason for anything we don't like?
I do believe that Leo's story was changed as well. He already had what looked like a Signer Dragon in the form of Power Tool Dragon yet said dragon was never counted as being part of the "Signer Dragons" and there was no foreshadowing to it evolving into Life Stream. For all we know Life Stream was supposed to be Crow's dragon yet it got swapped for Black Feather thanks to how good Crow's archetype was.
I think a big question you didn't include in this discussion is "What Crow's Earthbound Immortal would've been?" I can't see it having been the whale one, "Chacu Challhua". That just doesn't fit him as a character or the theme of his deck very much.
None because he wasn't evil or vengeful
Good ol' Dark Signers arc. A true treasure.
He was clearly supposed to be a minor antagonist/side character from the beginning but the popularity of his deck changed things, for the worse in my opinion.
Him being the final boss of the arc is, honestly, nonsense. I don't know how people came to that conclusion, that would be like saying Keith would be the final boss of Duelist Kingdom.
Considering that Goodwin Earthbound Immortal was a bird, he dueled while standing and didnt use a single spell during a Speed Duel, it does feel like Crow would have been the final antagonist.
I mean, how is hiding a fridge supposed to help? Its not a bomb!
Not to mention how his inclusion in the final duel seemed odd.
Yes, it was a Riding Duel, but i think Crow was the only one who used Speed Spells, so why not make it a Master Duel and include Aki?
But when you think about Crow being the final opponent, it would have made sense story wise, especially when you consider his two opponents were Yusei and Jack, two characters that werre opposite of one another and slowly worked together.
Nope, wouldn't work. Crow is in no way evil and his deck is based off ancient Japanese tengu demons. That's not what a condor is. Also take a closer look at Goodwin's shirt, it literally has the condor symbol.
I read that before, but they didn't build Crow to be a Dark Signer. I can believe he was just meant to die, and maybe return when the DS were defeated but him becoming evil it's difficult, and more when the DS and Earthbounds were the ones who killed the people in Satelite
i do believe he was supposed to be a dark signer but not the final boss. but in my head cannon i make the reason for the change the Iliaster time shenanigans
Arc-V has a ton of conspiracy theories like the Zarc design and Synchro arc stalling. Vrains definitely had some dropped plot points regarding Queen and the SOL Tech "traitor" that could be expanded on as well .
Who WAS supposed to be the “traitor” for SOL Tech?
@@mystery8820people just believe that because Revolver suggested they had an spy, that piece of info will be relevant. Which technically could've been, but it was just an explanation of why Revolver knew things, and that was enough
Honestly I definitely can agree on this theory it wouldn’t surprise me if crow did die it’s crazy none of the 5ds cast died I’m talking about the main characters not side characters like Carly and misty
Yeah. That's the opposite of the VRAINS cast where most of them died twice.
Better that way I guess otherwise it would be a case like GX were Jaden most of the time was the one to save the day instead of the other main or secondary characters
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu yup
I've hated Blackwings since 2009. Crow being shoehorned into the spotlight with his useless chicken at the expense of Rua was just salt on the wound.
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the fridge thing reminds me of the ending to Sasukes fight with Dadara in Naruto Shippuden
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Aki wouldn't be in the duel because it was a turbo duel. So it'd be just Yusei & Jack VS Crow. Aki would still get sidelined.
Everyone saying akiza would've been in the duel is wrong. She didn't have a runner and your duel disk goes into it
I like to think the crimson dragon choose to evolve black-winged dragon into a signer dragon. So maybe crimson dragon also somehow granted some slight protection to crown in that moment as well.
2:30 Well, Crow BECAME a signer. Of course he wasn't planned to be one. His dragon became a signer dragon when he got the signer mark.
While Crow's role and prominence in the 5D's story was obviously changed I don't think he was ever really intended to become a Dark Signer and I don't think it would have been a good idea if he did become one because 1. He doesn't really have anyone that he seeks revenge on, unlike the other Dark Signers 2. Crow turning evil wouldn't really be all that impactful because was just barely introduced and 3. Having an old friend of Yusei's turn evil would just be retreading the same ground as Kiryu
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I think certain parts of the theory are right but not others
I thibk it goes without saying that Crow was meant to die and others have already pointed out how Life Stream Dragon was probably meant to be summoned in the duel against Bommer/Grieger. Akiza, Jack, Yusei and Luna all had a Dark Signer who was their personal failing and Grieger was clearly meant to be Leo's. That leaves the two "bosses" the goodwins and theres no part of me thar belives Rex Goodwin wasnt always meant to be the big bad. I think Crow became a popular enough character in the writing team that his death and signer status were changed but I think he was never meant to be a Dark Signer.
Edit: especially since the manner that Crow gets his dragon is weird, it's just IN his bike after the Dark Signer arc
Yep, I think you summarized it perfectly. Crow was meant to die just as Martha had, while Bommer was supposed to duel Rua. Crow was likely nothing more than a side character when he was first introduced, but the change in head writers likely led to him being promoted to a lead. Unfortunate that Aki, Rua, and Ruka, got shafted for what was likely just a writer's pet, but whatever.
If it was JUST meant for Crow to die there, then it would’ve been a pretty lame death tbh. However, if the plan was for him to become a dark signer, then him being taken by the most would’ve been the PERFECT moment to for that to happen.
Here’s one that I like and is my personal head canon:
When Zarc split into 4 people (Yuya, Yuri, Yuto and Yugo), he took the “best duelists” souls from each dimension into the Yu-boys, to make sure he is never defeated.
Yuya = Yugi
Yuri = Jaden/Yubel
Yugo = Yusei
Yuto = Yuma
I can believe crow was meant to die and become a dark signer but i feel there big bad is a bit of a stretch, theres no denying leo and luna got screwed over in this show though
next conspiracy theory i've been peddling for a while: the light of destruction was never actually defeated in gx, so 5ds is the future where it won in the end while zexal was the opposite. remember that darkness, not the LOD, was the final boss and how he foreshadowed all the other yugiohs? there is so much i could say about this
My theory is that the crimson dragon realised that Leo was not a good duelist and then he saw Crow otk 3 people at the same time he said "Man that is kinda cool" and then he just made him a signer.
By the end of 5ds i bet the dragon was having a panic attack because Leo almost ruins the duel against aporia but then he made a good play, gave him a signer mark and Life stream dragon.
I always thought crow was supposed to be a dark signer and use the hummingbird earthbound, most of the earthbound immortals colors match the duelist and hummingbird matches crows
It doesn't
@Diamondr11Blue its orange like crow's hair
@@comet_dragonarchfiend6304 so? There are plenty of kaiba uses a blue dragon and his hair is brown. Literally no corellation. It being winged doesn't mean he'd use it, that would be like saying yugi's ace is gagaga magician or timebreaker magician (spellcasters)
@@Diamondr11Blue it was just my theory dude that was all
Not sure if this counts as a conspiracy, but I heard that there was supposed to be a GX movie, which was later cancelled and replaced with the Domino City arc
There was supposed to be one if I'm not mistaken but it didn't happen.
Wiraqocha Rasca, the final Earthbound Immortal, was a giant black-winged monster.
Thats all I'm gonna say.
If he’s the dark signer boss where would that put the Godwin brothers and how would it change the zero reverse tragedy ?
I'm conspiracy theory is that Yugi and/or Pharoah gave Joey Time Wizard at the beginning of Duelist Kingdom cause he knew it would synergize well with baby Dragon and become a go to strategy but that Time Wizard worked better with Dark Magician and he did this to eventually knock Joey out of the tournament
That would be a tough conspiracy to sell, because yugi and joey never dueled in the duelist kingdom tournament the manga. Tea/Anzu asks if they have to fight since they both their matches in the quarter finals, and Yami Yugi says "That won't be necessary! Our objective was to beat Pegasus! Now that we've come this far, he's finally within our sights! If Jounouchi and I fought in front of him, it'd only expose more of our tactics!" and soon after Pegasus remarks to himself a duel between the two would be pointless because of their spirits and moves onto preparing his duel with yugi. This all happens in chapter 65 of Duelist (Volume 8) for the record.
They Indiana Jones-ed it?
There is one thing that you missed Dylan. His Blackwings designs look VERY south america inspired and guess where the Nasca lines are located? Correct in south america. But thats not even the most important part here. In the final duel against Godwin the Underworld King that attacks the Signers summons some of his minions. Black birds that look EXACTLY like Crows Blackwing Monsters. I mean if Wiraqocha Rasca isnt a dead give away already, THIS is!
Like you said Takahashis memos for Crow say something completly diffrent from what we see in the show. Im VERY sure that he wasnt even supossed to duel while Yusei is present before the black mist. His design, the prison markings on his face originally were supposed to be his dark signer markings. Because lets be honest for what reason would he have 2 prison markings? No other charackter has more than one.
Crow uses tengu demons from Japanese mythology so no. Plus those things aren't even card monsters so it doesn't add up. There's more than 1 kind of bird yknow
@@Diamondr11Blue Dude his blackwings arent tengus. They are inspired by bird costumes they wear in south and middle america. Look at the cloth Bora and Siroco have. Thats not japanese.
Those things? The minions of the underworld king? They look like birds with the exact same beaks that Bora, Siroco and Shura have. Seriously they dont have to be real cards to proof my point man
@@FloundFahrdienst yes they are, familiar with Hillen the Tengu Wind? His monsters aren't American
@@Diamondr11Blue Are you seriously using a blackwing card that came out years later as proof? Im talking about his first blackwing cards that are clearly aztec, inka and mayan inspired. After the dark signer arc he even had blackwings that are from the northpole. Its only about his first ones
@@FloundFahrdienst no they aren't. Similar clothing doesn't make it so. By this logic yugi's dark magician isn't japanese or Egyptian since it's not wearing a kimono or royal clothing 🤦♂️
And listen to some of the names, they're also Japanese folklorr.
a theory could be why there are not protagonists in arcV, another could be why the Yusei from the Zone time line has a different dragon(Cosmic Blazar Dragon)
It would've been crazy if crow died and was actually meant to be the dark signer to duel Leo, although I really don't he would be a dark signer. The main theme with these dark signers is death, but it was also some form of revenge. Misty was angry and wanted revenge against the Arcadia movement for her brother, Carly was angry about Jack and also her job I believe, and of course kalin want revenge against his old team. If Crow died, he didn't have any real revenge he'd possibly want to get. He loved his home despite his problems, he cared for the kids in his area, and he had a good connection with his friends. Ultimately I'm not a major fan of the retcon because it does feel a bit forced in that way since we never see crows dragon, however crow becoming a dark signer to me would be weird, and looking back he was a good character and made sense as a signer, I just wish it was the original plan
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Just look at the design of the freaking last earthbound immortals
"ITS A BIGASS FUCKING CROW"
Looks at Goodwin's Earthbound Immortal... A Giant Dark WingBeast Monster that takes the form of a large Carrion Bird
Crow uses a Deck made almost exclusively out of Dark WingedBeast Monsters...
Coincidence... I THINK NOT!
We all know that in the original timeline that Yliaster came from Rex stayed good and smoked Roman. Thats the timeline Crow went all evil.
im kinda in the middle with this one. like, yes i do believe crow was meant to die and become a dark signer, but i dont believe he was meant to be the boss or top dark signer.
Wait so does that mean that originally theyd planned to have Leo become signer 5 after Rex loses the right? And hed have gained Lifestream Dragon THAT much earlier? Man, they really must have changed a LOT about the finale if thats what theyd planned to do before they suddenly got told to make Crow a more important character just a few episodes before said finale...
Yep, Leo's spotlight was way overdue and Lifestream Dragon was snubbed of Booster Pack Cover Art too.
Life Stream probably wouldn't be a synchro tunner since at that point it wasn't a concept.
but makes you wonder if the twins would get more screen time or not
It's almost like certain directors shouldn't be working on your show if they're THAT feckless about their little pets...
@@christopherb501 are you salty at a show that premiered a decade ago?
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu Most definitely they were supposed to. You set up a character early into the show before it hits double digits where they even said "she was a dueling prodigy" yet all her duels have been nothing but another person assisting her except for 2 duels. 1 she had to fight some creep who mind controls her/digs into her mind, and her taking over the duel of Leo when really he(Leo) should have fought Bohman and the Ruka(Luna) vs her dark signer should have been in the Spirit world i'm guessing. Funny enough we never get to hear about the spirit world after the dark signors too so maybe when every other character during late 5ds was supposed to have an arc for themselves (Yusei crash town, Jack getting Red nova) maybe Aki was supposed to take down Arcadia and Divine once and for all since everyone revived but him for some reason, Luna was supposed to probably resolve the issue in the spirit world of maybe the after effects of the Earthbounds causing havoc there or something, and Leo probably trying to improve his deck combos since he admired Yusei and Yusei could have been his tutor since he pointed out the strong points and weak points of Morphtronics when they saved Yusei from sector security.