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I am totally agree with you. I still don't understand why shonens refuse to do romance. Yusei and Aki are litteraly one of the few romance who made everyone agree. The scenarists knew they were in love , the fans knew , the others character knew it , even the endings of the serie showed this😂. They clearly kissed eachother in the end . At this point , it is like the writes though a relationship in Yu-Gi-Oh would be bad. 5 minutes where they are boyfriend and girlfriend even if they are in different cities would be perfect
And also it is true. Crow shouldn't be the only character responsible of all the problems. It is like SNK. People say Mikasa is the responsible of all the problems of writing when clearly not
There is actually a Blackwing card that synergizes with the Dragon that was printed a year before it: Against the Wind, an Archtypal Warrior Returning Alive that dealt you damage equal to the attack of the returned monster. They're still so bad though, and they aren't even "Blackwing" monsters to benefit from card like Kalut.
Hey I blame the developers also I don't agree crow should have been a arch rival and yusei hater I kind like the idea that yusei actually had friend outside of Rally Tank and Blitz & Nervin and also someone who can challenge like Jack also love how crow has inspiration finish the legendary bridge to connect the Satellite to New Domino and the fact that Red Goodwin is the Legendary Rider that the traverse to New Domino set up something that could involve crow into the story without being connect to the signers and how we can have aki involved have her aid crow in the duel after he injured in battle with Dark Signer Gregor and Aki can silent her self as the third Signer while hinting Crow is Ally or future Signer
So what I'm getting from this isn't so much "Crow ruined 5DS", but more so "5DS ruined itself in the later half, and Crow is a token of many of those problems."
@@stampoulisrafael5262 The video itself talks about how 5DS' writing took a massive nose dive in quality in it's second half. Sure, "ruin" might be an over exaggeration since 5DS is still enjoyable to watch, but the difference between season one and afterwards is very noticeable.
@@esteban8471 Yeah, I'd say the writing quality managed to rebound for its final act with the Arc Cradle and everything involving Z-ONE and because of that got to end on a high-ish note.
Much how like the majority of politicians are symptoms of larger problems within the system and not truly problems themselves. Some exceptions like the Turtleman and Benedict Donald aside.
One small scene i think they could have done to make Crows introduction make a LOT more sense would have just been a scene with him getting out of prison and thrown back on satellites streets. Sets up that he has beef with sector security and explains quickly why he wasn't around in the earlier parts of the show. Which considering his multiple marks then shows that he's done this multiple times before and so it's not just a one time happening but a relatively regular pattern of behavior, fitting for a rogue.
Crow showing up when he did in 5Ds really bothered me a lot. Yusei went through so much crap to reach Jack and get his Stardust Dragon back and then Crow just pops up claiming to be friends to both of them. Not even a single line to explain it. Like, "Yeah, I knew Jack screwed you over, but I decided to stay out of it because it was between you two" or something. I guess he was just asleep the whole time and Yusei is too polite to yell at him for not even trying to help.
What was he suppose to do. Jump out and tag along with yusei as a third wheel while he left the orphans behind? Crows fine, his concern was on children that needed help more than his friend that he knew could handle it
@@Cyberas-jetyou don’t even need to show him, if Yusei had just a throw away line like “a friend bought me time to get away, so he has to lay low”, then that would help
Lalalala i can't hear you, Crow is cool. Good character, has a cool ass deck, the coolest dwheel. Some of the points u made are also just stupid. Like how black-winged dragon doesn't have synergy with blackwings. Yeah but stardust has synergy with yuseis junk/synchron deck...? Or ancient fairy dragon with whatever luna's deck is. Why does it matter that he is only introduced 30 episodes in? I guess there is going to be a video on soulburner too then? Characters in one piece get introduced god damn 450 episodes in, join the crew and everybody likes them, but nooo, crow joining 10 episodes after someone suddenly isn't good. Honestly never rly cared that he became a singer because the symbol is useless anyways. It just means that whenever yusei is loosing he will topdeck majestic dragon and thats it
I still think Crow had potential with Arc-V... problem is that he started beating guys like Shun and Gongenzaka and getting more screen time even after the time in Synchro came to an abrupt end, even if he lost his duels in the end...
I stand by I would have had any reason to care about the Battlewasp guy IF Crow wasn't there right next to him. Because Crow is a far more balanced version of him and has good reason to be mad at our protagonist, I'm not going to care about the guy who's antagonistic toward Yuya from practically day one.
@@TheWizardMus Yeah, I'm surprised "FUCK YOU SHINJI!" hasn't been a thing. The guy recruits Yuya to help get the Commons to glory... then blatantly accuses him of trying to screw over the Commons once he wins? Along with the Commons themselves not acting much better than the Tops sometimes, and you wonder if it's really worth helping them with the Friendship Cup at all...
@@TheWizardMus Yeah, I'm surprised "Fuck you, Shinji!" hasn't been a thing. The guy recruits Yuya to fight for the Commons... then _blatantly accuses him of trying to screw over the _Commons_ just because he won against him? Add in the Commons not acting much better than the Tops at times, and you wonder if it's really worth trying to get them their freedom through the Friendship Cup. I assume RUclips removed my original comment because it had Fuck you Shinji in all caps.
The similarity between the two is that their initial beef isn't with the authority in general but the corruption of that authority. By the time both of them join those organizations, that corruption is mostly removed and their involvement helps to remove the last of it and prevent it from coming back so they become forces of good for society rather than oppression. Edit: I should clarify that I don't believe it makes those decisions 'great' decisions but they are at least understandable. Shadow and Crow at least realize that there are things they can do to help people as part of a greater organization than they can do themselves and at the same time they are keeping a close watch on them to make sure they don't abuse their authority.
@@kylepessell1350I didn’t mind Shadow joining GUN actually Let’s break it down a bit, and yeah most of this is implied offscreen rather than shown, but still. Shadow’s issue with GUN was what they did to Maria and Gerald. Yes Maria died and Gerald was executed and Shadow’s head was rewired beforehand At the end of Adventure 2 if you recall, Shadow remembered Maria’s true wish, which was protect Earth. He then died and is revived later by Eggman, then Rouge finds him and the amnesia arc begins until the end of Shadow the Hedgehog Now that game is a mess story wise but it had some major implications. First off, at the end of the Last Story, Commander and President say they’d pay homage to Gerald and his efforts to save the planet, couple that with Maria’s wish earlier, and you get a pretty good motivation for Shadow to join GUN, in addition to the fact that Rouge, who was his best friend at the time (before the SEGA mandates came in) was already a GUN agent. Now you may think that the commander would be a big blockade in Shadow’s way to join GUN, but he actually realized his mistake. This is shown in Expert Mode, where characters have random dialogue with Shadow, one of which the Commander apologized for wrongly accusing him of Maria’s death and asked him to join in on a picnic he had with his grandchildren. After that, you could see that both Commander and Shadow shared a goal and that is protecting mankind as per Maria’s wish. So it technically makes sense for Shadow to join GUN even if the reasons to do so are only implied or are in extra content most people won’t have access to because Shadow the Hedgehog doesn’t have the best game design Crow’s issues are way more apparent because he was a criminal, and judging by his marks, he was apprehended at least twice. Ok no matter criminals can be redeemed under the correct circumstances except the fact that Crow as a character couldn’t possibly fit in Sector Security, not because of his criminal record but because of his free spirit way of thinking. Crow is the type of guy to do things his own way, so having him belong to Sector Security contradicts how he thinks as a person.
NGL, the idea of the Pierce being a Signer whose will was passed on to Crow through would work wonders. Yugioh hasn't ever tackled the inherted will and it would raise a lot of questions about Signer magic and what Crow should do now that he has a power which wasn't meant for him.
That makes a lot of sense, it is a shame the dub never really taught us about that but it does make sense in a story aspect. Just a shame that an anti-burn card really really sucks in Yugioh cause besides Trickstars and I guess S.K.Y F.I.R.E we didn't have much in anime burn department
@@reidmoore8754 At least today it protects you from a bit of damage if you're playing BW now. 700 from Zephyros 700 from Shamal 700 from Sudri 1600/2100/2300 from Zonda (depends on what you want to special summon with his effect. Mostly Common: Simoon, Kunai or Kogarashi) 700 from Assault Synchron
I will never forgive that Aki got shelved. I don't care what backstory is true or bogus. Aki had the setup, the build up, and then she got shelved. I shall not forgive that. And for some reason Crow got suddenly popular when Aki got _less_ important, hmmm.
I would of loved that, and I'm not just saying that cause I met her VA a few days ago at Too Many Games. Erica was super fun to meet and she deserved more time to shine in the show
If I were to rewrite the series I would introduce Crow earlier and have him be a member of Yusei's friend group in Satellite Have him assist in distracting sector security in the beginning and help Yusei escape to New Domino Have Yusei and Crow meet up again in the prison it could then be revealed that he was captured by sector security whilst making that distraction that helped Yusei. Whilst in the prison he could help Yusei get a handel of things there, and assist him in getting enough cards to build a deck to duel the warden and eventually help with his escape whilst choosing to staying behind in the prison to slow down the gaurds, against Yusei's wishes This gives Yusei a window of time without Crow to let him meet the twins Then the villians could use Crow as a sort of hostage to get him to participate in the tournament they set up to try to get Yusei to show his Signer mark I'd prefer it if he was a central part of the story earlier on instead of being shoe horned in You could even give him a little arc where he realises he keeps satisfying himself to help his Friends and he has to learn to strive for a solution where he and all his friends win.
This reminds me of my opinions of the new characters from GX season 3. I don’t dislike them, just the fact that the existing characters get shafted so the new guys can shine.
While I do like Johan, he was the first of several Canon Sues that always drag their respective shows down. That they recovered like they did in the eleventh hour with Soulbirner is miraculous.
Akiza should have been the one to take Crow’s place as the character that should have had a lot more screen time and support in both the anime and the actual deck archetype in the real game.
Perfectly. Black rose dragon could have a so great archetype . Litteraly the majority of the problems of 5Ds would be fixed if Crow didn't become a signer
Not necessarily They could try to strike a balance where both get enough screen time Sidling crow for Akiza is just as bad as Akiza getting sidelined for Crow
Hot take, the second half of 5ds is just bad. It got saved by a good ending but it mishandled every character along the way. Why did yusei need to end every duel during the tournament, why was jack and carly destroyed, actually why was jack dumbed down so much. Why the overemphasis on crow, why did he become a signer, why wasn't Luna and the spirit world used pretty much at all, why did it take so long for Leo to get any pay off. Its funny because black crow dragon is the only signer dragon to be basically unplayable even his deck works bettee without the signer parts.
@@IfrloveCoCoMelon Eh, it's a bit deeper than that. First, the fan favorite died, and then someone who isn't nearly as likable took his place. Narratively, someone like Near was necessary. L would have never been able to beat Kira, because he put Kira on a pedestal. Meanwhile, Near saw Kira as nothing more but a mere murderer, supernatural means and God complex or not.
If there was ever a remake of the show (which will likely never happen), Ruddy Rose Dragon should be a must, due to its Stardust Dragon-like effect, this would represent how Yusei made an impact in Aki's life
And possibly be Aki's trump card in some Arcadia Movement resurgence arc which ends with her dueling and defeating Divine to finally close that chapter in her life for good.
@@Diamondr11Bluebecause he had the most positive impact on her life, helping her change for the better? It’s not even like it would be about him necessarily, he’s just the catalyst for it
I think you could have teased Crow in a similar to well... Qrow. Have him be this mysterious Robin Hood like figure early on that does help Yusei from the shadows. He creates a distraction early on with Sector Security, with him sending Yusei a message thats basically, "Go get em". Then the audience can be held in suspense over this mysterious bad ass.
I am begging anyone to rewatch the scene with yusei and aki in the last episode. They ABSOLUTELY kissed. It’s funny how oblivious you can be when you’re a teen.
I wouldn't usually hate that Aki vs Andore duel because not only was that her first real turbo duel going against a team of seasoned professionals but also because she started with an overwhelming disadvantage thanks to Jack's earlier fuck-up. But I do in fact hate it a lot because that's her ONLY real turbo duel in the series, she never has another turbo duel again. It would be very interesting to see her progressively getting better at it with each one, but we never get that.
Not only that, she had alot on her plate. Yusei handed her his most cherished monster making her go out of her way to Summon it like shes hopelessly ineffective in Riding Duels so she must pass the buton to him if they want to try and win this... Not as if Aki might have tricks up her sleeve and can defeat at least one Team Unicorn member. They had everything planned out for Jack, Crow and most of all Yusei but Akiza could've put a huge dent in their strategy if she played competitively like herself out there.
Hell they even made up that one time nonsensical rule that allowed Andre to add up more Speed Counters so he could screw her up with those speed spells later. That stupid rule never appeared again in any times later. The writers wanted her to lose to make WRGP feel challenging but understood how strong she was and how impossible it is to defeat her without giving her rivals a shit tons of advantages. And even with all that she was the real MVP of that duel saving Yusei a lot of troubles later having to summon Stardust and avoiding those unfair amount of Speed Counter damages that she already took herself.
I do feel like aki should have beat andore and then lost to the 2nd wheeler due to deckout or beat the 2nd wheeler and lost to the last wheelever via burn cheese. aki using yusei's stardust and her black rose in tandem. yusei uses crow's black feather dragon to counter the burn strat by aki using a desynchro card to split stardust dragon. yusei comments that it was a good plan ans instantly goes into black wing dragon, a card specifically built to counter burn strats. Like I am legit fine with jack losing because the entire team got completely finessed and jack losing by being caught lacking badly makes sense.
I hate the fact that because Crow got pushed into the spotlight Rua didn't get the true form of his dragon until late in the show. The show was literally screaming that Rua was supposed to be the true 5th signer but nooo, it had to go to Crow instead. You can tell how shoe horned in he was because they retconned Black-Winged dragon into the "5" Dragons flashback later on. Let's not forget that Black-Winged Dragon was completely non-synergistic with the Black Wings archetype when it came out! They made my girl Aki a benchwarmer for this loser... ugh.
THIS! ALL OF THIS! Thank you BOTH so much for bringing this all up! This is exactly why I hate Crow (as a main character). Had they made him into a supporting character, that would be perfectly fine, but adding him in last minute when the Signers and the Dragons were already established just ruined the overall plot for me, with benching Akiza (who was supposed to be the tertiary character from the start), adding in Black-Winged Dragon (who honestly sucks IMHO) into the Signer Dragon story just to force Crow into the already solidified plot, waiting to finally give Leo Life Stream Dragon when the show was nearing the end (when the dragon was first revealed in the very first season alongside the other dragons), and giving him a Mark of the Dragon that wasn't even on the Crimson Dragon's initial design. And for what... to hype up a damn archetype and make more money at the cost of the plot and wasting perfectly good character potential overall. And what makes this reason even worse is that most of the Blackwing cards we got after his character was established SUCKED compared to the first wave we got when he was introduced, and we still could've gotten Blackwings via Legacy Support, like how we got more of Carly's Fortune Ladies, Kalin's Infernities, etc. There was absolutely no need to make Crow a main character. Sure, he was a cool guy with a nice design, and he still could've joined the group later in the show like Bruno did, but how they went about it instead just ruined the show for me. Akiza, Leo, and Luna all got royally screwed over. We should have seen much more of them and their development alongside Yusei and Jack. Making Crow a Signer (and the new tertiary character) was the worst mistake they ever made in 5Ds. Bringing him back to ARC-V just twisted the knife as he brought absolutely nothing to that show either other than just to hype up Blackwings again.
@@StarWolfDragon I will agree with you on pretty much everything, bar the last point Considering his character, he and yusei were the only ones who were from the slums AND wanted to change it for the better which he did try to do in arcV
@@default9314 True. They just should've done a LOT better with writing him in both plots. They didn't have to go and make him a Signer out of nowhere in 5Ds, and I guess I just hated the direction they went with for the Legacy characters in ARC-V as a whole, by having them be counterparts of the originals instead of the actual characters (I mean what was the point? They may as well have just made whole new characters in their place who would've been affiliated with each of Zarc and Ray's respective counterparts, like Shun). I also still don't get why he would affiliate himself with a morally corrupted jerk like Shinji... But that's a topic for another day...
I will never stop making the same joke about this situration. Powertool effectively just said "hey, I am the 5th dragon of legend. But I will sit on my butt for 95% of it all, the new guy can take care of it." What a lazy coward. It's your duty dude! You can't just not show up to the fight because someone with no official stake decided to join the club and can fight in your slot! Or well, I guess one actually can just not show up since that is exactly what happened, I would give it heck for that stunt if I were the Crimson Dragon.
Genuinely I think Crow would have been better liked if he dueled with Rex against Roman in a 3 way duel, but Rex basically forces him to leave through shadow game & card combo shenanigans. That way you can have another good duel with Crow facing against a Dark Signer while also working with his 'hero' only to be ultimately pushed away for a 'rematch' with Rex at the end of the season. Showing that while Crow is a late arrival, he does have a reason for being there at the end of the dark signers arc.
His cards were too strong in comparison to everyone else and that pushed the production to do other things with him, without thinking. The firewall dragon syndrome, if you will.
Gale the whirlwind on his own is stronger than jack's entire deck. If bro had an evolved signer dragon, the entire cast would've looked pathetic by comparison.
I adore 5Ds and all the main characters but i also love to see suggestions how this show could have been improved. Aki and the twins really needed more spotlight, some of my favourite episodes are literally just fun little filler ones with the whole gang bonding and playing a family. Like you tell me we never actually got an honest talk from Rua and Ruka about their parents who leave their children completely alone? How this influenced them?
Her JP actress got married and started a family and asked for her role to be reduced to accommodate her newly reduced availability for recording. Short of recasting the character they did the best they could with what they had to work with.
I agree with you about the disservice to Sherri LaBlanc. It's bad enough that in the Japanese version she's erased from existence by the Big Bads as a demonstration of their new power, but that episode, as well as 10 more, were completely cut from the English dub so we have no idea what happened to her and she isn't even mentioned for the rest of the season. We go from the Future Trio revealing themselves as the Big Bads to everyone to the middle of a feud between Team 5Ds and a team that uses the Nordic Gods, and those guys didn't even have an introductory episode!
I'm guessing in a hidden compartment/container, so it wouldn't just fly out on its own. Maybe they weren't sure what the compartment was for. That still doesn't explain how or why Pearson set up the blackbird to recognize the tail mark, considering that Crow wasn't a signer until after Pearson died, and the tail mark was originally Yusei's, and he didn't have it when Pearson was alive either
@@BrandonSwinney-j2vmaybe it’s reversed? The Tail mark sensed the card’s presence (and perhaps it didn’t specifically have to be the Tail mark) and willed the bike to give it up because Crow needed it, like how Majestic Dragon gets drawn out of the deck when needed? Idk, the Crimson Dragon is functionally a deity, it can do what it wants.
I mean from what I understand is "fuck you, Crow" is just easy to say, but what you really wish to say is "fuck you, writers of 5D's who are more interested in making characters look cool than writing a good story".
The anime production ruined the series, that is because after takashi go away started the pre world grandprix arc. But can be worst, i tries to watch yugioh vrains and in 17 i screamed with angry because watch playmaker and ai its torture, and yes after episodio 15/16 have a new recap ep after 6 episodes
@@orangeslash1667 you re welcome English is not my native language, and its strange use "you're welcome" after a thank you, because looks like i'm saiyng "you're welcome to enter in my house"
@@orangeslash1667 half that, because after takahashi leaved the production, the writters team started to write filler episodes, than only occuped time, the important episodes is the arc of kalin redemption, and the aparition of sherry, in one of the first episodes of pre world grandprix have two charcaters saying than now had a ned organization to control all, but only in the true world grandprix arc that become important, and had the crow part, black wing was the deck to go for the meta exactly equal with the anime cards, not had one card of blackwing than changed the effec and a bonus, blackwing winned a tournament(i don't know exactly but probably is the world championship), that only happened again with salamngreat from soulburner, so crow becomed more popular than the normal, had the rumor of crow being a dark signer but its fake, the truth is than probably the popularity influenced the production like the firewall dragon being banned. And you can see how takashi make fault, in the the world grandprix the write team destroyed a lot of characters, jsck become a comic character, not returning the relationship with carly, akiza become another joke entering in a school with a lot of kids(she has 16 years only to remenber) and that continues. You can see again in the fact than the final looks a little rushed, from nothing now leo had the signer mark, crow and akiza had the final duel in doubles. The story starts with a social plot and ends with a time travel plot. Its not so impactfull like vrains being developed in the same time with arc v final arc and darkside of dimensions, but becomed more a gx first season
Yeah the biggest problem with crow is that he doesn’t really fit in with the rest of the cast and even in the setting as a whole it’s like the virtual world arc in the 3rd season of the duel monsters yugioh anime what whould have changed if that spontaneously didn’t happen all you really get for the greater whole of the story is kaibas backstory and the events that happen within the arc scarcely get mentioned afterwards even season 4 which is apparently a filler season still gets more callbacks later on then the virtual world arc they must have known that because at the end of that kaiba him self said in exact words alright forget all that ever happened this changes nothing and just like that he gas lights the first half of the season it’s fucking hilarious
Good grief. Crow really wasn't treated kindly by the writers. Not to mention the fact that it really felt like he could've been shown at the beginning.
I feel like you missed the point. The problem is he was treated TOO KINDLY by the writers. Either against their will or not, it doesn't really matter. The favoritism he received killed the show, plain and simple.
@colt1903 I see. I agree here he got favored by the writers. But given that it dragged down and even affected other characters. Looking onward as someone who hasn't seen the 5D anime personally,I can feel a lot of ways to include Crow in without damping other characters development. But really, like Mangakamen said here,even if we tweak the structure and or placement of Crow's involvement with the main case it wouldn't really make a difference in Crow as a character.
So, as an Amateur writer, I want to provide a potential reason for why the "Crow was supposed to be the Main Dark Signer Antagonist" theory likes to remain relevant. In the anime proper, after the Crow vs. Lazar duel, we see the gigantic Shadow Cloud gather over Satellite and afterwards we see no people remaining, including Crow. Compound how Crow would have a solid motivation for his undeath (While 4Kids did what they could to censor how Dark Signers come to be, they couldn't avoid Carly still, so odds are, even kids would understand how that happened) in that he'd want to do anything to protect the ones he cares about, including the orphans he cares for, Crow joining the Dark Signers would be a powerful change. Add how we see Crow introduced, robbing Sector Security, him being a sort of "Anti-Hero" is rather interesting. The Story itself seemed to be setting up for that route for Crow to be a major Anti-Hero of the Group, someone who is basically on the side of the Good Guys, but achieves the goals through questionable methods. For Crow to join the Dark Signers (Especially after Kallen's defeat) would have added a unique intrigue to the overall 5D's story, too. Would Crow stick to his guns after coming back from being a Dark Signer? Or would he regret that and actually begin to show remorse for his actions and grow? Basically, the gigantic "What If?" idea remains relevant because there's already legitimate in-story beats that lean in that direction. Even if Rex Goodwin was literally wearing the "Foreshadowing" on his attire, it could have been a massive Red Herring to throw people off. Not to mention how up until his own turn, Rex has been a Reasonable Authority Figure for the Good Team. Yes, his initial actions were very questionable from the start, he couldn't just go "Hey, I think you're part of a group of people who can save the world!" and expect the people to believe him. He needed the ones he suspected to actually prove it by revealing their Marks before saying "Yeah, that mark is proof of your involvement with this situation, and you can't deny it." Also compound that Akiza was a part of the Arcadia Movement and basically under Sayer's personal watch, that's another situation to deal with. On the topic of Rex's turn to Evil, that in and of itself feels rather last-minute tacked-on. He had been the Reasonable Authority Figure, then just goes off and says "Yeah, I want to be Evil now." That's another reason why people tend to latch onto the "Crow being a Dark Signer" theory a lot: Rex's actions were completely out of left-field. Or rather, it wasn't properly foreshadowed well enough. Rather, it felt like Rex was going to be the Surprise 5th Signer at the last second. Arguably, that's what a lot of the Season seemed to be leaning on, too. ....I suppose basically, it's just furthering just how messy 5D's as a Yu-Gi-Oh anime really fumbled the story in a lot of ways that the "What If?" ideas seem much more appealing than what we actually got.
Crow's design is kind of annoying looking to me. I find his English voice to be grating. He has piles upon piles of pointless duels. They made him a Signer out of nowhere. His backstory is inconsistent. He took away screen time and relevance from Aki. His character was rushed to be important. He survived a wave of darkness by hiding in a fridge. There is no real character development for him. The way he gets his Singer dragon is wacked. His appearance in Arc V was unnecessary. His character in Arc V was needlessly different. He claimed that he could beat Jack at the end, but lose to Luca. He beat Jack in a filler episode relatively easily. Uhh... If anyone else has any other reasons to hate Crow, add to the list!
I like the guy, he's bold but caring and sweet and is skilled. Issues are what the writing has done with him, biggest one is making him a Signer which kinda screwed the whole show in many ways. And this is my personal problem but I dislike Blackwing as a deck, but then Black Winged Dragon happen that came out of nowhere and the later supports are sorta forced to make it works along with the deck, worst thing is the friggin' Tax Dragon. Again, I like the guy but hate what they done with him and the deck. So with all that said.... F* YOU CROW !!
The whole Crow and Rua buddy-cop route sounds like an idea that would have worked well! You could have Lucciano be the big rival for the Crow and Rua, as his Meklord Skiel, looks like a giant robot bird which is a nice foil to Power Tool/Morphtronics and Blackwings. The big character arc for them would be realising they don't have to be just like Yusei or Jack and can fight in their own way, special only to them.
Plus, they could've made them a combined 5th Signer if Crow and Leo became the "so we're not special, we'll still keep fighting!" duo. Have Rex's Signer mark vanish, then shuffle the late-stage duels around so that they're going up against someone (maybe Paradox, since he was one of Z-One's flunkies) in the end. Their backs are against the wall, and _that's_ when the missing mark appears with one half on each of them.
I didn’t like him replacing Aki as the third of the 5Ds power trio at all or him retroactively becoming a signer and I could care less about blackwings both in and out of universe though I warmed up to black winged dragon over the years not because of the relation to Crow or the oddly out of place relationship to the signer dragons mostly its effect I didn’t mind him showing up in Arc-V but the whole tournament arc and subplot and his involvement just dragged the story on even longer than it needed to all in all
22:37 Even though I completely agree with you in most if not 99% of the points, I unironically believe that the only plot point of Crow that makes sense is to become a sector security, and the reason is simple. He didn't just hate the institution of sector security but what it does to people. For Crow, his main objective as a character is to protected the people from satellite and he just hates the disparity of society. So when that disparity is almost gone in 5Ds, then in order to protect the people he loves, makes a lot of sense to become a cop. Basically, he hates cops because of corruption, but without corruption, he doesn't only have no more reason to hate cops, but he can also be a good cop himself.
Cept the problem is we never saw him express that, nor was there any actual set up for him to do that. You can make all the theories you want, which is fine, but that's not enough to justify that nor does it explain how he would accept that part.
@@Mangakamen I have to disagree here. While it's not said directly Crow just dislikes the abuse of power, the only reason we are ever given for anyone in the satellite disliking Sector Security is the way they are actively held back. We also know Crow isn't a might makes right person based on how he cares for the orphans with Martha. It seems to me Like Crow believes in looking after the little guy, which is something cops would do in a good system but aren't doing because it's a bad system. Crow becoming Sector Security could even be seen as a subtle nod to the viewer about how things really are getting better after the time skip.
"the only reason we are ever given for anyone in the satellite disliking Sector Security is the way they are actively held back." I mean, Security also trapped them on the island as essentially slave labor, and that people who were born in Satellite can't become members of Security... "Crow becoming Sector Security could even be seen as a subtle nod to the viewer about how things really are getting better after the time skip" Too bad that's never foreshadowed.
As an Arc-V fan, I would like to talk about Crow in that show. In my opinion, he's not good in 5D's, but he's flat-out bad in Arc-V. Why, you ask? Well... First off, he's out of character. Now, it can be argued that the legacy characters of Arc-V have some leeway when it comes to characterization because it's a full AU and their backstories are different, but Crow is just a complete jackass when that wasn't part of his characterization before. In context? Yes, it makes sense _logically_ that he would be angry at Yuya for endangering the kids, but it just doesn't _feel_ right, and it also doesn't flow well (especially because Yuya was the reasonable one of the team and actually tried to lay low). Then later on, he and his kids basically dismiss Shay outright because "you can't be sad about losing everything if you never had anything to begin with" or some BS like that. And this brings me to my single biggest problem with Crow in Arc-V: his duel with Shay. While I like the _concept_ of Shay dueling against someone he comes to understand and thus spurs his character development, the fact that he _loses_ after his character development is spurred feels anticlimactic and needlessly punishing. Doubly so since that's the duel in which he first summons Ultimate Falcon - the symbol of his resolve and his drive to protect his loved ones, the physical representation of his character arc made manifest. (And he goes on to lose EVERY SINGLE DUEL in which he summons a monster higher than rank 8. Including Ultimate Falcon. But I digress.) What should have been a triumphant moment for an established original character of Arc-V, who's been around since the start and has been struggling to trust even his own teammates, turns into a triumphant moment for _a cameo character._ There was no reason Crow had to win that duel. It's thematically inappropriate, forced, and... need I mention that the card he won the duel with isn't even played in most Blackwing decks because it's bad? Meanwhile Ultimate Falcon is practically mandatory in Raidraptors? That's just bad advertising and blatant favoritism. I could go into how Crow is the first person to come back from being carded, for no apparent reason other than blatant favoritism, but I think I've made my point. If you want to listen to me ramble about Crow some more, by all means, ask and I will provide. But in short: Crow ruined a perfectly good moment for one of my favorite Arc-V characters who got done severely dirty in general, and I'm still salty about that.
PREACH!!! I didn't even think about that when he dueled Shun. TBH, the whole Synchro Dimension Arc was boring, frustrating, and way too long for me... Shinji made me hate it, which is a whole other thing... What is Crow doing being friends with that morally corrupt jerkass...? Seeing his duels against Tsukikage and Yuya was infuriating to say the least...! But back to Crow... I absolutely agree with you on him taking away Shun's potential further character development. The fact that he could've been the one facing off against Berserk Yuya in the semifinal round would've been him saving both Yuya and Yuto, which would've made the duel MUCH more iconic! But nooooo, they just had to have Crow be the one to do it to hype up those damn Blackwings (and these new ones weren't even good except Raikiri (I believe? The one that destroys cards) and that freakin' Gofu that broke the game for a short while). If you ask me, they should've brought back Akiza instead of Crow. At least then, Yuzu could've interacted with her during her time in the Synchro Dimension, and heck, Akiza could've been the one to save her (instead of Sora) after Sergio sent her flying, using her Psychic Powers to do so! Yuzu could've had her own side story in that arc stretched out more instead of being a freakin' Damsel in Distress. Let's face it, ARC-V Crow was a mistake from start to finish. All we got from him were more broken and busted Blackwings, a Hate Sink character in Shinji, and further wasted potential all around.
@StarWolfDragon Shinji... oh God, that's a whole other rant on its own. I can't properly put into words how much I despise him LOL I would have loved to see that version of the semifinals. Definitely more poignant than "Crow is still an unreasonable jerk for no good reason"... sigh. Also I would've taken Akiza over Crow as a legacy character in a heartbeat. I mean, we had Alexis for GX, why not Akiza for 5D's?
Him (or anyone) being used to help develop Sawatari was really welcome If he didn't just break his duel disk and remove him from the plot until the Zarc duel Shingo deserved so much more
All the legacy characters in arc-v are different than their original counterparts. Arc-v jack is such a different beast that’s he’s a new character with some paint coated on. This isn’t a crow problem
@Cyberas-jet It is, kind of, because a lot of the problems with Arc-V also stem from Crow and Katsumi Ono's blatant favoritism toward him. He was a lot more prominent than he should have been, and won duels he absolutely shouldn't have, which is my complaint.
Black-Winged Dragon's situation is still weird, and probably worse so, even factoring in how due to the World Championship video games revealing the existence of the Heart mark while Dark Signer arc was still airing as it meant two Signer dragons were sealed away and the second one was just...hidden inside a motorcycle instead of being in a special sealed form, sealed like the final Earthbound Immortal or held by the final villains. Like while the commonly believed amount of writing impact over his popularity is clearly exaggerated due to development time it does feel like the signer arcs were moved around and pushed back forced Rua to wait longer than he needed and made one of the Signer dragons not fit its owner as they ended up phoning it in since that kind of change can make sense over dozens of episodes and over a season change instead of just 1 dozen and clearly be worse written than the stuff at the beginning. Feels like Crow would have gotten Heart sign at very end, this time coming because of him fighting fate so much he rescued last Dragon so Crimson dragon give him mark as boost instead of how it was done impying he was always a chosen in a similar way to the video game mcs (who at least have excuse of being self-inserts), if pace was better done. And the Crow Rua connection you mention does also feel like it would have fit that pace this time showing himself worthy by mentoring a signer into his destiny. Making the marks instead fit the good chosen one trope of those who raise to the occasion are then chosen for the power to succeed.
I disliked Rua at the beginning, but he really had growth and became one of my favorite characters. Then Crow appeared and the plot did bend itself to put him on a pedastal. I was so pissed of. The ultimate battle against Aporia is still my favorite part of 5Ds. Love Lifestream Dragon and fuck you Crow! Also RIP poor Aki. Mrs. Benchwarmer.
Rua is such a nice character The fact his fragility is so apparent (he is baby tbf) and yet he keeps putting himself in harm's way to protect his sis screams courage There's so many little things to appreciate about him too like his summoning chants
Rua is such a nice character The fact his fragility is so apparent (he is baby tbf) and yet he keeps putting himself in harm's way to protect his sis screams courage There's so many little things to appreciate about him too like his summoning chants
In terms of 5Ds aside from Yusei, Crow is my favourite male character. However I do understand your point but that’s not going to change my mind. I acknowledge your point of view on the character and I respect your opinion but my I still love Crow as a character. I do however wish they didn’t just make him a signer out of nowhere. That much I’ll whole heartedly agree with you on.
All it would have taken is maybe a half an episode of Ylliaster doing time travel shenanigans to cause the existence of Crow himself. Because not only would that foreshadow the time travel plot heavily, it would create an amazing set of themes and existential issues for all of the characters. Like, how real are the memories of the main characters at this point?
While I wouldn’t say that he ruined Yugioh, Crow did a lot of damage to 5D’s. Especially in regards to both Akiza and Leo, Akiza more so as it really did feel like she should’ve been the third main member of Team 5D’s rather than a benchwarmer, and in regards to Leo it really did feel like he was supposed to get a rematch against Greiger where he would’ve gotten Life Stream Dragon, and would’ve probably become the official fifth signer after the final duel against Rex. Instead both of them got shafted hard by a character that honestly got way too much focus than he should’ve gotten.
Crow Hogan is if the writers have a favorite charater, can't make em the main charater, don't wanna change em, but dangit they want to put em in as much as possible. This one thing anyother charater could have? GIVE IT TO CROW! ..This one scene? GIVE IT TO CROW! ...Oops we pushed Crow too much, have another charater take over, but have them loose so that you can give YUSEI the PROTAG the win and make Crow look better by default. But you know what Crow is in 5DS? Joey Wheeler... but introduced way later and slotted in like nothing. You heard me. Crow was written to be 5DS's Joey. Jusei is Yugi. Jack is Kaiba. That's not how I see it.. but if you look at how everything gets treated..it makes sense. But insted of keeping him in a "Joey status" as in.. "Not one of the chosen ones." They were like: "But what if they were." And that's why Crow is Crow. They wanted to put in Joey, then they pushed him foward a lot and well... you get it.
Yeah that team duel is probably the worst written one i think every duel in that arc aside for team taiyo was whatever but the team unicorn one was just outright bad.
20:46 You must be blinded by Rage. The Garage scene in the final episode was a fanservice to all the Yuki shippers unequivocally confirming Yusei and Aki became a thing. You can tell by the way she closes her eyes while close to him and then they disembrace to the fingertips like they did something off camera.
10:24 I mean it's more like if Indiana Jones used a fridge to escape the literally face-melting power of the Arc of the Covenant, as an atom bomb is scientific while this is supernatural.
Your reasons aren't something you out right hate a character for. You blame the people behind it. Crow didn't hurt Yu-Gi-Oh. Konami hurt Yu-Gi-Oh, they tried to fix it messed everything up and, the community didn't make it better. For those asking Crow was introduced during the 5ds era when the Konami was releasing the first sets for Yu-Gi-Oh during Synchro era. They didnt expect for blackwings (Crow's archetype and deck of choice) to have popped off the way it did. So they originally had it set for Crow to come in be corrupted by the dark signers (like carly) and be wrote off. Once the conflict with dark signers and the earthbound immortals was set and everyone was to de returned back. Well the fandom love for Blackwings their instant tier 1 statues and, love for them. Caused the story to change as Leo (Rio) was gonna be a signer and get his dragon seen in the cut scene where the crimson dragon + 5 signer dragons clash with the earthbound immortals. You see Livestream dragon but later on it's removed for Black winged Dragon. Then they add both into a cut scene together. As well they dropped him smack dab into a major conflict to connect him to the other main characters basically make him the Joey of the group.
I kinda hope at some point Yugioh re does the older 3 anime. I’m sure they won’t but it would be cool to see an updated version of the old art style of yugioh and a retelling of DM, GX and 5D’s. Fixing errors or even using the mangas for each.
Can we put arc v, and vrains into it too, those can benefit hugely from remakes, in fackt while I LOVE all the six yu gi oh series (not counting the rush duels anime’s) the one among them I have the least grips with is Zexal, as it told it story in the best way, wich is ironic because of the slander, parts of the yu gi oh community gives it.
The manga for GX does relate more to the Egyptian past but I think they would avoid adapting those manga...because of stuff like 5Ds one basically confirming Z-one was really future Yusei and they'd rather pretend that Yusei can't be evil.
@@Masterblader158 honestly I think it could work for a remake. Z-one could have been maybe an alternate yusei that never beat jack in the first tournament, or saved Aki.
The manga for all but the original are separate from their anime counterparts. DM was an adaptation of the manga, while all the others are their own thing. The manga for each are just different stories with similar characters and setting, which all came out _after_ their anime started.
It's like if they tried to make Joey Wheeler have an Egyptian backstory to make the last season of Duel Monsters work. I think Joey works as a character because HE DOESN'T have fate or destiny on his side. He just has his sheer will. And that was what was likable about Crow, he wasn't "special" or a chosen one. Until they gave him the mark. Granted the argument could be made "he earned it" despite not being "a chosen one". But I personally like how they handled Joey more.
They could have easeley made Crow a more competent version of Joey. Yuseis trusty right hand man thats there fore him when he needs it but dosnt hav much inpact on the plot. Just a Badass Duelist that aint needing no stupid Dragon mark!
The one thing I "love" about Crow is how he never had an established surname when he was first introduced. It wasn't until halfway into the WRGP that we learned it.
FU Crow! But specifically because it feels like Leo/Rua got shafted out of the Signer role early so that he could get it instead. Him becoming a late Signer makes sense for all the reasons justified onto Lua/Leo later.
Tldwr: Crow could’ve been a good mentor for Leo and Akiza In my idealized version of 5D’s Crow is present from episode 1. We don’t see Crow but he’s mentioned as the reason why Rally was able to get his hands on the d wheel upgrade for Yusei. We wouldn’t see Crow until Yusei gets sent to prison. Yusei, being the new guy, gets targeted by a prison gang. Crow helps to get the heat off of Yusei’s back in exchange for grabbing extra cards for the gang leader. He’s able to help Yusei get his hands on a deck to make their escape easier. When presented with their opportunity to leave, Crow chooses to go back to the Satellite to keep an eye on things for Yusei. Crow in the satellite prevents sector security from kidnapping Yusei’s friends at the cost of his jackals. Crow would then be motivated to go to New Domino to try to free his underlings. Crow’s role in the plot from then on is being a mentor to Akiza and Leo. He himself was never a prodigious duelist so he understands their struggles more than Yusei. He’ll still get his chance to take out a dark signer, but beyond that point he’ll leave a tuner monster with Leo to help him unlock lifestream dragon later on.
Yep you got it one instead of hating the concept of crow we should be thinking of what couldve been to make him a better character than what we originally got im sick and tired of Crow was ment to anti hero antagonistic rival to yusei why there is nothing wrong with crow normally it the fact he was elevated to Main character status too quickly and out of nowhere is the problem and that all there is too it no offense to mangakamen outtakes here
I think a lot of people tend hate Crow due to revisionist history instead of paying attention to what actually happened. I disagree that Crow replaced Aki in the trifecta.The thing is her arc was finding and fitting in a family which she did throughout the show,the 5Ds crew,Crow already had a role with the family.From the moment he is introduced to Crow we are drip fed info that Yusei,Jack and Crow are foster brothers and have fought forever in Satellite culminating in the fight to save not just the world but their hero as well while restoring their bonds as brothers. For the rest of the show he keeps Yusei and Jack in check while grinding for money and we see their bond as strong as ever as they carve out a new future.Essentially Crow is what Katsura is to Yusei’s Gintoki and Jack’s Takasugi.He is the brother that will back them up even if they aren’t on good terms especially when it matters.
"The thing is her arc was finding and fitting in a family which she did throughout the show" No, it was done in the second half of the first season of the show. Afterwards, she didn't have that issue. "From the moment he is introduced to Crow we are drip fed info that Yusei,Jack and Crow are foster brothers and have fought forever in Satellite culminating in the fight to save not just the world but their hero as well while restoring their bonds as brothers." Which is why he's never mentioned before his introduction and not properly introduced to have a connection with them until AFTER he's seen on screen.
@@Mangakamenfrom what I’ve been alluding to Yugioh 5Ds is structured like Gintama where the relation to the main character carries the story as well as how certain characters are introduced, later in the story but still very important to the main character.He may not have had significant impact until the Benizakura arc but after Takasugi was important till the end the same with Crow and the Dark Signer arc.
@@Mangakamen basically to clarify what I’m trying to say is that although he wasn’t foreshadowed,Crow and his relation to Yusei and Jack is why story wise he has priority over other characters and I’m using Gintama as a comparison. To end this hopefully on good terms I’ll concede that we needed more Aki,as a gearhead it would have been awesome to see her learn and actually build a motorcycle and duel for parts and have her and the twins swap with the bros during the WRGP arc.As for an Arcadia arc hard pass which is a whole other can of worms so I’ll just say it’s cool seeing other view points of why characters are goated or hated.
23:15 THIS! Looking back to all of this now it made me remember just how everything about this guy looks like it was thought of at the last minute. His debut, out of nowhere. His friendship with Jack and Yusei, out of nowhere. His move to 3rd MC, out of nowhere. His mark, out of nowhere. His Dragon (ffs, that makes them 6D's now), out of nowhere. I'm so annoyed at all the decisions that were made with this character and all the character colateral damage.
Glad there’s someone in the yu gi oh community besides me, that can see how perfect fore the best friend role Shark is, that he choses to see him as the best friend, rather that Bronk the nothing character.
@@lassegrotkjr6326He doesn't have the best friend role, that was moreso Kite if anything. Tons of merchandise that features only rivals features Shark and Yuma, even the duel Opera a Japanese event where the voice actors for the rival and main character duel only has Shark and Yuma and never once Kite.
@@Honest_Mids_MasherShark was an interesting middle ground between best friend and rival, which is probably why you could label him as either. Yuma outright calls Shark his best friend during the Nasch duel. Kaito was more of a minor rival/benchmark for Yuma to try and reach, and after the WDC he was more of a friend than anything else.
One thing I personal think didn't help the character or much of the series was that certain events/plot points happened off screen (Like crow becoming a cop) or forgotten (Like Leo & Luna's friend, who seemed like he was going to try to steal at least stardust dragon.)
I had a theory about Crow. That Aki was never intended to be part of the main trio. The fifth signer was supposed to fill that role before this idea was reworked into Crow for season 2. But due to how she was written in season 1, it gave the impression that she was going to be important. Or at least more important than intended.
@@disconcerningcitizen2224Never truly gave Crow one. If that's the reasoning, falls apart when they didn't give Crow something proper. Oh, and lest we forget, it TOTALLY slipped their minds to properly resolve Ruka. Talk smack about Aki or hype up the birdbrain all you want; the writers still sucked.
@disconcerningcitizen2224 her arc wasn't completed, it got choke-slammed. Sayer, her personal villain, just _vanished_ along with his cult of superhuman cronies with zero explanation until a book revealed years later that he just reappeared next to some security officers and got arrested. Heck, just giving her a mini-arc around the Blood Mefist/Hook Knight cards (maybe make them the result of some Arcadia loyalists with a hate-on for Team 5Ds) would've been better than what actually happened.
@nicholasfarrell5981 Arcadia purpose in the story was twofold. Introduce Aki and link a dark signer to her (misty). They were never set up to be anything more, having to go back and deal with the Arcadia movement would have ruined the pacing.
Yeah, they didn't intend for the Arcadia stuff to be relevant past season 1. Their biggest mistake was not keeping Sayer dead. Or at least wrapping up the aftermath of the cult's collapse during the epilogue for the Dark Signer Arc.
We need a Fanfiction that rewrites the series without crow as a signer and as a Dark signer. Akiza would duel Goodwin with Jack and Yusei, Leo would become the 5th signer with him Akiza and Luna having bigger roles.
Not like they ever told us, but I always suspected that the reason we didn’t see Crow until later on was because he might have had run-ins with law enforcement. We learned from Yusei that the marks on their faces were only given once they were imprisoned in this dystopian future, so Crow bearing so many marks made me think he must have gone to jail quite a number of times before the series began.
I've been rewatching 5ds as of late, and I have been able to notice the points you've brought up. Heck I even skipped a few of his one off duels with random one off characters like the dude who had Time Wizard. Was Crow my favorite 5ds character? No he just gave me a few good laughs thanks to the dub and in Tag force
Personally I like Crow as a character even as a kid I liked him in the dub. I found his deck to be fun and I liked the episode with old man junk. Though the dub dise make him a bit dumber. He was also my favorite tag partner tag force 4 and 5. I think he'd have been a better character if he wasn't a signer
20:49 I KNOW! It was RIGHT THERE! Fixing Aki was half the reason I decided to rewrite 5D's. Also, thanks for doing this video. There were a few things I forgot.
I miss Tohru and Misaki the player's best friends and team from YuGiOh 5DS Into The Nexus. The original wielders of the Scrap archetype and Watt archetype.
i feel like it would have made more sense to write crow out of the show during his dark signer duel. they could have ended it in a mutual kill giving yusei and the rest of the main cast a more personal reason to care about the whole situation by losing a friend. it also would have prevented aki and the twins from becoming background characters for the rest of the show.
15:40 he could've died in the process of building it, and Crow finished it, or maybe the guy just built a stock duel runner for Crow and crow added modifications to it
Not going to lie, I was sort of saddened that Leo didn't become a signor when he was in his duel with Devack. Like he was struggling but he was putting his heart into his duel along with trying to think of some strategies that helps him survive longer. But I still have a sour taste when I see Aki's first WGP riding duel and she lost to BS plot written things so Yusei can defeat all of them. Aki should have won that duel in the WGP and she should have lost to the 2nd team member to show she is capable of holding her ground and not just a sacrificial maiden for Stardust, I mean she literally has traps that reflect effect damage. As for Luna she got the short end of the stick too out of all of them, she was just a stepping stool for her brother when she has an interesting power out of the signors since they found her more threatening since Earthbound Immortals need field spells to stay on the field. She could have had a filler ep about her dueling prowess ,that was told literally in the show that she was gifted in dueling and her getting upgrades since she can go to the Spirit world. The spirit world has not really been explored and we never hear about Dark Sage ever again. Heck he doesn't even get to have an alternate form to suit Luna's deck or even BE in Luna's deck despite her deck primarily being spirits she has gone into contact with.
While i can see your points, i disagree with you about him getting his sign. His situation is similar to Link from Wind Waker, where he wasn`t a Chosen One, but earned it. I would argue he should have gotten his sign right after defeating Bomber to demonstrate that destinies are not set in stone. Again, i agree that it is poorly executed, but if he legitimately earned his sign he could have had the dynamic with Rui, where he was a bit of a mentor to him. Also Kamen, are the clickbait titles really necessary? Is the algorithm screwing you over that hard?
@@Mangakamen Ah, my bad. I am partially stationary hospitalized right now and only have internet access at weekends when i visit my home. I had no clue about you being hacked.
A lot of what you said about Crow reminds me of why I hate Zexal‘s last arc, and especially what they did with Shark. They basically reset his entire character arc of learning to trust in his friends, and made him a Barian for no other reason than needless melodrama (not to mention that this causes…just…a whole hecking lot of inconsistencies). None of this has any setup either (in fact, I feel like Shark and Rio were originally planned to be connected to Astral World somehow, which would have been a really cool twist actually). They essentially took what could have been a pretty neat concept for a character, and squandered it by shoving it onto an already existing character (which, to be fair, is not an issue Crow has at least). I know Yu-Gi-Oh! already suffers from cast bloat, but had…let‘s call him Barian Shark been introduced as a new character at the start of Zexal 2 alongside the other Barian emperors (and someone to take Rio‘s place as an emperor I guess), it would fix sooooo many of the writing issues of the Barian Emperors‘ War arc. (although it wouldn‘t fix how Vector is shoved aside after being set up as the main villain for more than an entire season‘s worth episodes, so it’d probably be best to just keep it to the five emperors they had in Season 2) I still don‘t get how it is so beloved by the way, even if you take the probably better executed emotional bits in the japanese version into account.
See I think Shark and Rio and Nasch and Marin could have worked if they were double agents and just didn't tell Yuma(and if Rio/Marin got to do things). You'd get the same Astral and Yuma drama without the random drama of Shark backtracking on his friendship with Yuma. Like you wouldn't even have to change that much cuz the one who tried pulling the "I'm your friend" card was freaking Quattro, the guy who put Rio in the hospital and Shark has hated since the start of the series. Have Shark backstab Don Thousand and Vector because they're the villains, give Yuma a smug grin as he reveals his and Rio's brilliant plan and then after the Don Thousand duel Astral points out the Numeron Code needs to be fully formed to destory it or something and boom the Final Duel with Shark goes unchanged
@@TheWizardMus To be fair, Quattro didn‘t know the card he played against Rio would do what it did, and helped save Rio in a tag duel with Shark that is framed as resolving the issues between them, only for that to be completely shoved aside as well… The Barian Emperors‘ War arc just can‘t stop messing things up, can it?
It was set up excellently, I’m just saying. There were already two missing Barian Emperors, some of the other Emperors recognized him, and then there was the duel against Rio when she was possessed by Abyss Emperor, showcasing off the flashback of their previous human lives. And Don Thousand was already set up almost immediately to be the final boss as the Emperors discovered their past human lives that were warped by him.
@@riotkitty And all of that happened in Season 3, after the first duel with Vector. The point I’m trying to make is that it should have been set up right after the WDC Arc at the latest. We only learn of Nash and Marin right at the start of season 3, and up until that point, it never feels like there should be more Barian emperors. Hell, when Rio senses the Barians invading in the second half of season 2, she’s afraid of them. Considering this, it seems kind of odd that she turns out to be one of them some thirty episodes or so later. Plus, we also have to watch Shark mope around not wanting to be a Barian for like fourteen more episodes after the Abyss Emperor duel, which is quite annoying imo, only for him to turn around and join them after one conversation with Dumon that amounts to “but you were our king tho.” “Huh, guess I was. I’mma betray my friends for a group of people the viewers are supposed to think I care about but I’m never actually shown interacting with in any positive way, nor do they seem to like each other very much, also, the guy who ruined one of my lives is there too.” This just doesn’t make any sense to me, largely because I feel it ignores a lot of established character dynamics.
why would you take the dub seriously? the ENTIRE series is bad in english as it’s written as a comedy first for kids and shounen anime for young adults and teens in japan lmao yugioh gx and 5ds probably had it the worst too omg
I personally think Crow is auper chill and I love what a big bro he is to all the Satellite kids, but I will never forgive him for stealing Akiza's spotlight. Not only the best Yugioh girl but my favorite 5D's character in general.
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I am totally agree with you. I still don't understand why shonens refuse to do romance. Yusei and Aki are litteraly one of the few romance who made everyone agree. The scenarists knew they were in love , the fans knew , the others character knew it , even the endings of the serie showed this😂. They clearly kissed eachother in the end . At this point , it is like the writes though a relationship in Yu-Gi-Oh would be bad. 5 minutes where they are boyfriend and girlfriend even if they are in different cities would be perfect
And also it is true. Crow shouldn't be the only character responsible of all the problems. It is like SNK. People say Mikasa is the responsible of all the problems of writing when clearly not
@@ConstantinDOSSOU-vy1zo From the research I did, Zexal is only one where the main character and main female hook up.
There is actually a Blackwing card that synergizes with the Dragon that was printed a year before it: Against the Wind, an Archtypal Warrior Returning Alive that dealt you damage equal to the attack of the returned monster. They're still so bad though, and they aren't even "Blackwing" monsters to benefit from card like Kalut.
Hey I blame the developers also I don't agree crow should have been a arch rival and yusei hater I kind like the idea that yusei actually had friend outside of Rally Tank and Blitz & Nervin and also someone who can challenge like Jack also love how crow has inspiration finish the legendary bridge to connect the Satellite to New Domino and the fact that Red Goodwin is the Legendary Rider that the traverse to New Domino set up something that could involve crow into the story without being connect to the signers and how we can have aki involved have her aid crow in the duel after he injured in battle with Dark Signer Gregor and Aki can silent her self as the third Signer while hinting Crow is Ally or future Signer
So what I'm getting from this isn't so much "Crow ruined 5DS", but more so "5DS ruined itself in the later half, and Crow is a token of many of those problems."
How did 5D's ruin itself when its one of the most beloved series in the franchise
@@stampoulisrafael5262 The video itself talks about how 5DS' writing took a massive nose dive in quality in it's second half. Sure, "ruin" might be an over exaggeration since 5DS is still enjoyable to watch, but the difference between season one and afterwards is very noticeable.
@@esteban8471 Yeah, I'd say the writing quality managed to rebound for its final act with the Arc Cradle and everything involving Z-ONE and because of that got to end on a high-ish note.
Much how like the majority of politicians are symptoms of larger problems within the system and not truly problems themselves. Some exceptions like the Turtleman and Benedict Donald aside.
@@RandoGrunt A high-ish note that's only in the sub, to add extra salt in wound.
One small scene i think they could have done to make Crows introduction make a LOT more sense would have just been a scene with him getting out of prison and thrown back on satellites streets. Sets up that he has beef with sector security and explains quickly why he wasn't around in the earlier parts of the show. Which considering his multiple marks then shows that he's done this multiple times before and so it's not just a one time happening but a relatively regular pattern of behavior, fitting for a rogue.
Or, like Kamen said, have him distract a majority of sector security in episode one to buy Yusei time to escape and say he has to lay low for a while
Crow showing up when he did in 5Ds really bothered me a lot. Yusei went through so much crap to reach Jack and get his Stardust Dragon back and then Crow just pops up claiming to be friends to both of them.
Not even a single line to explain it. Like, "Yeah, I knew Jack screwed you over, but I decided to stay out of it because it was between you two" or something. I guess he was just asleep the whole time and Yusei is too polite to yell at him for not even trying to help.
What was he suppose to do. Jump out and tag along with yusei as a third wheel while he left the orphans behind?
Crows fine, his concern was on children that needed help more than his friend that he knew could handle it
@@Cyberas-jetwhy do ppl not think about this. The dude has a family to look after!
@@Cyberas-jetyou don’t even need to show him, if Yusei had just a throw away line like “a friend bought me time to get away, so he has to lay low”, then that would help
Lalalala i can't hear you, Crow is cool. Good character, has a cool ass deck, the coolest dwheel.
Some of the points u made are also just stupid. Like how black-winged dragon doesn't have synergy with blackwings. Yeah but stardust has synergy with yuseis junk/synchron deck...? Or ancient fairy dragon with whatever luna's deck is.
Why does it matter that he is only introduced 30 episodes in? I guess there is going to be a video on soulburner too then? Characters in one piece get introduced god damn 450 episodes in, join the crew and everybody likes them, but nooo, crow joining 10 episodes after someone suddenly isn't good.
Honestly never rly cared that he became a singer because the symbol is useless anyways. It just means that whenever yusei is loosing he will topdeck majestic dragon and thats it
After all these years, Mangakamen finally goes fully in-depth regarding his hate for Crow. Interesting....🤔
Crow and Joey are the best characters in Yu-Gi-Oh because theyre funny 😂
Honestly another thing thqt ruined the series was it switching from fantasy to science fiction and ignoring the psychic duelists.
I still think Crow had potential with Arc-V... problem is that he started beating guys like Shun and Gongenzaka and getting more screen time even after the time in Synchro came to an abrupt end, even if he lost his duels in the end...
I stand by I would have had any reason to care about the Battlewasp guy IF Crow wasn't there right next to him. Because Crow is a far more balanced version of him and has good reason to be mad at our protagonist, I'm not going to care about the guy who's antagonistic toward Yuya from practically day one.
@@TheWizardMus Yeah, I'm surprised "FUCK YOU SHINJI!" hasn't been a thing. The guy recruits Yuya to help get the Commons to glory... then blatantly accuses him of trying to screw over the Commons once he wins? Along with the Commons themselves not acting much better than the Tops sometimes, and you wonder if it's really worth helping them with the Friendship Cup at all...
@@TheWizardMus Yeah, I'm surprised "Fuck you, Shinji!" hasn't been a thing. The guy recruits Yuya to fight for the Commons... then _blatantly accuses him of trying to screw over the _Commons_ just because he won against him? Add in the Commons not acting much better than the Tops at times, and you wonder if it's really worth trying to get them their freedom through the Friendship Cup.
I assume RUclips removed my original comment because it had Fuck you Shinji in all caps.
@@TheWizardMus
Shinji is just a complete asshole like his wasps. He should disappear for being a worthless asshat.
@@TheWizardMusI like shinji too
Crow joining sector security is like shadow from sonic joining G.U.N
The similarity between the two is that their initial beef isn't with the authority in general but the corruption of that authority. By the time both of them join those organizations, that corruption is mostly removed and their involvement helps to remove the last of it and prevent it from coming back so they become forces of good for society rather than oppression.
Edit: I should clarify that I don't believe it makes those decisions 'great' decisions but they are at least understandable. Shadow and Crow at least realize that there are things they can do to help people as part of a greater organization than they can do themselves and at the same time they are keeping a close watch on them to make sure they don't abuse their authority.
@@kylepessell1350I didn’t mind Shadow joining GUN actually
Let’s break it down a bit, and yeah most of this is implied offscreen rather than shown, but still.
Shadow’s issue with GUN was what they did to Maria and Gerald. Yes Maria died and Gerald was executed and Shadow’s head was rewired beforehand
At the end of Adventure 2 if you recall, Shadow remembered Maria’s true wish, which was protect Earth. He then died and is revived later by Eggman, then Rouge finds him and the amnesia arc begins until the end of Shadow the Hedgehog
Now that game is a mess story wise but it had some major implications. First off, at the end of the Last Story, Commander and President say they’d pay homage to Gerald and his efforts to save the planet, couple that with Maria’s wish earlier, and you get a pretty good motivation for Shadow to join GUN, in addition to the fact that Rouge, who was his best friend at the time (before the SEGA mandates came in) was already a GUN agent.
Now you may think that the commander would be a big blockade in Shadow’s way to join GUN, but he actually realized his mistake. This is shown in Expert Mode, where characters have random dialogue with Shadow, one of which the Commander apologized for wrongly accusing him of Maria’s death and asked him to join in on a picnic he had with his grandchildren. After that, you could see that both Commander and Shadow shared a goal and that is protecting mankind as per Maria’s wish.
So it technically makes sense for Shadow to join GUN even if the reasons to do so are only implied or are in extra content most people won’t have access to because Shadow the Hedgehog doesn’t have the best game design
Crow’s issues are way more apparent because he was a criminal, and judging by his marks, he was apprehended at least twice. Ok no matter criminals can be redeemed under the correct circumstances except the fact that Crow as a character couldn’t possibly fit in Sector Security, not because of his criminal record but because of his free spirit way of thinking. Crow is the type of guy to do things his own way, so having him belong to Sector Security contradicts how he thinks as a person.
Toph Herr!
NGL, the idea of the Pierce being a Signer whose will was passed on to Crow through would work wonders. Yugioh hasn't ever tackled the inherted will and it would raise a lot of questions about Signer magic and what Crow should do now that he has a power which wasn't meant for him.
signers don't die, the crismson dragon saves them. just like how dark signers are dead but revived
@@yamizakygo5869 Which is bullshit, has been and always will be.
@@colt1903 it makes sense for why the security don't just use weapons against them instead of card games
@@yamizakygo5869Wasn't 5DS supposed to be good?
@@lpfan4491 it is good.......
The reason why Crow has an anti burn card is due to his vendetta with fire
That makes a lot of sense, it is a shame the dub never really taught us about that but it does make sense in a story aspect. Just a shame that an anti-burn card really really sucks in Yugioh cause besides Trickstars and I guess S.K.Y F.I.R.E we didn't have much in anime burn department
@@reidmoore8754 At least today it protects you from a bit of damage if you're playing BW now.
700 from Zephyros
700 from Shamal
700 from Sudri
1600/2100/2300 from Zonda (depends on what you want to special summon with his effect. Mostly Common: Simoon, Kunai or Kogarashi)
700 from Assault Synchron
Also, there are a lot of blackwings with abilities that burn the user...
I will never forgive that Aki got shelved. I don't care what backstory is true or bogus. Aki had the setup, the build up, and then she got shelved. I shall not forgive that. And for some reason Crow got suddenly popular when Aki got _less_ important, hmmm.
Sexism? In my card game? PREPOSTEROUS! 😂
I would of loved that, and I'm not just saying that cause I met her VA a few days ago at Too Many Games. Erica was super fun to meet and she deserved more time to shine in the show
Coincidence? I think NOT!
Yea and all the possible plant synchro / black rose upgrades we could have gotten
Because girl doesn't sell cardboard to teenage boys apparently. But it was also they wanted a Joey for the Yugi and Kaiba.
If I were to rewrite the series
I would introduce Crow earlier and have him be a member of Yusei's friend group in Satellite
Have him assist in distracting sector security in the beginning and help Yusei escape to New Domino
Have Yusei and Crow meet up again in the prison it could then be revealed that he was captured by sector security whilst making that distraction that helped Yusei.
Whilst in the prison he could help Yusei get a handel of things there, and assist him in getting enough cards to build a deck to duel the warden and eventually help with his escape whilst choosing to staying behind in the prison to slow down the gaurds, against Yusei's wishes
This gives Yusei a window of time without Crow to let him meet the twins
Then the villians could use Crow as a sort of hostage to get him to participate in the tournament they set up to try to get Yusei to show his Signer mark
I'd prefer it if he was a central part of the story earlier on instead of being shoe horned in
You could even give him a little arc where he realises he keeps satisfying himself to help his Friends and he has to learn to strive for a solution where he and all his friends win.
This reminds me of my opinions of the new characters from GX season 3.
I don’t dislike them, just the fact that the existing characters get shafted so the new guys can shine.
While I do like Johan, he was the first of several Canon Sues that always drag their respective shows down. That they recovered like they did in the eleventh hour with Soulbirner is miraculous.
Akiza should have been the one to take Crow’s place as the character that should have had a lot more screen time and support in both the anime and the actual deck archetype in the real game.
Perfectly. Black rose dragon could have a so great archetype . Litteraly the majority of the problems of 5Ds would be fixed if Crow didn't become a signer
Not necessarily
They could try to strike a balance where both get enough screen time
Sidling crow for Akiza is just as bad as Akiza getting sidelined for Crow
@@ConstantinDOSSOU-vy1zohilarious how the guys that made the DS game agrees with that, making the Player character the Signer in Crow's spot
@@John-StarkGood times!
@@John-Stark Ok, but where was our own OC Signer Dragon do not steal?
Hot take, the second half of 5ds is just bad. It got saved by a good ending but it mishandled every character along the way. Why did yusei need to end every duel during the tournament, why was jack and carly destroyed, actually why was jack dumbed down so much. Why the overemphasis on crow, why did he become a signer, why wasn't Luna and the spirit world used pretty much at all, why did it take so long for Leo to get any pay off. Its funny because black crow dragon is the only signer dragon to be basically unplayable even his deck works bettee without the signer parts.
First half great, second half not great!
That’s the same reaction I hear people say about death note!
@tarikkash4282 I am not a major death note fan, but to its defense , part two was decent, and people are just mad because a fan favourite died
@@IfrloveCoCoMelon Yeah but you gotta admit, we all knew L's death was coming!
@@IfrloveCoCoMelon Eh, it's a bit deeper than that. First, the fan favorite died, and then someone who isn't nearly as likable took his place.
Narratively, someone like Near was necessary. L would have never been able to beat Kira, because he put Kira on a pedestal. Meanwhile, Near saw Kira as nothing more but a mere murderer, supernatural means and God complex or not.
Not a hot take at all, if it wasn't for Arc Cradle, 5ds would have been the black sheep Yugioh fans choose to ignore
If there was ever a remake of the show (which will likely never happen), Ruddy Rose Dragon should be a must, due to its Stardust Dragon-like effect, this would represent how Yusei made an impact in Aki's life
* *BLOOD*
And possibly be Aki's trump card in some Arcadia Movement resurgence arc which ends with her dueling and defeating Divine to finally close that chapter in her life for good.
@@730Flare that's exactly how I think Aki would use Ruddy Rose Dragon, to get back at the man who saw her as nothing but a tool
@@puppetmon9687as long as it isn't innocents. But come on why do we need it to be about yusei
@@Diamondr11Bluebecause he had the most positive impact on her life, helping her change for the better? It’s not even like it would be about him necessarily, he’s just the catalyst for it
I think you could have teased Crow in a similar to well... Qrow. Have him be this mysterious Robin Hood like figure early on that does help Yusei from the shadows. He creates a distraction early on with Sector Security, with him sending Yusei a message thats basically, "Go get em". Then the audience can be held in suspense over this mysterious bad ass.
I am begging anyone to rewatch the scene with yusei and aki in the last episode. They ABSOLUTELY kissed. It’s funny how oblivious you can be when you’re a teen.
I still wish Kiryu would have been in more episodes after Crash Town
I agree, along with showing us the actual duel between him and Jack. But alas....:(
Akiza this akiza that... what about kalins disappearance
I wouldn't usually hate that Aki vs Andore duel because not only was that her first real turbo duel going against a team of seasoned professionals but also because she started with an overwhelming disadvantage thanks to Jack's earlier fuck-up. But I do in fact hate it a lot because that's her ONLY real turbo duel in the series, she never has another turbo duel again. It would be very interesting to see her progressively getting better at it with each one, but we never get that.
Not only that, she had alot on her plate. Yusei handed her his most cherished monster making her go out of her way to Summon it like shes hopelessly ineffective in Riding Duels so she must pass the buton to him if they want to try and win this...
Not as if Aki might have tricks up her sleeve and can defeat at least one Team Unicorn member. They had everything planned out for Jack, Crow and most of all Yusei but Akiza could've put a huge dent in their strategy if she played competitively like herself out there.
She deserved another turbo duel win that wasn't Trudge. Saying you beat Trudge in a duel isn't much of a flex.
Hell they even made up that one time nonsensical rule that allowed Andre to add up more Speed Counters so he could screw her up with those speed spells later. That stupid rule never appeared again in any times later. The writers wanted her to lose to make WRGP feel challenging but understood how strong she was and how impossible it is to defeat her without giving her rivals a shit tons of advantages. And even with all that she was the real MVP of that duel saving Yusei a lot of troubles later having to summon Stardust and avoiding those unfair amount of Speed Counter damages that she already took herself.
I do feel like aki should have beat andore and then lost to the 2nd wheeler due to deckout or beat the 2nd wheeler and lost to the last wheelever via burn cheese. aki using yusei's stardust and her black rose in tandem. yusei uses crow's black feather dragon to counter the burn strat by aki using a desynchro card to split stardust dragon. yusei comments that it was a good plan ans instantly goes into black wing dragon, a card specifically built to counter burn strats.
Like I am legit fine with jack losing because the entire team got completely finessed and jack losing by being caught lacking badly makes sense.
@@nekoluxuria7721no? She was totally inexperience
Im Crow's defense, he probably was smart enough to know that even if Yusei got kidnapped he could plot armor himself out of the situation
I hate the fact that because Crow got pushed into the spotlight Rua didn't get the true form of his dragon until late in the show. The show was literally screaming that Rua was supposed to be the true 5th signer but nooo, it had to go to Crow instead.
You can tell how shoe horned in he was because they retconned Black-Winged dragon into the "5" Dragons flashback later on. Let's not forget that Black-Winged Dragon was completely non-synergistic with the Black Wings archetype when it came out!
They made my girl Aki a benchwarmer for this loser... ugh.
THIS! ALL OF THIS! Thank you BOTH so much for bringing this all up! This is exactly why I hate Crow (as a main character). Had they made him into a supporting character, that would be perfectly fine, but adding him in last minute when the Signers and the Dragons were already established just ruined the overall plot for me, with benching Akiza (who was supposed to be the tertiary character from the start), adding in Black-Winged Dragon (who honestly sucks IMHO) into the Signer Dragon story just to force Crow into the already solidified plot, waiting to finally give Leo Life Stream Dragon when the show was nearing the end (when the dragon was first revealed in the very first season alongside the other dragons), and giving him a Mark of the Dragon that wasn't even on the Crimson Dragon's initial design. And for what... to hype up a damn archetype and make more money at the cost of the plot and wasting perfectly good character potential overall. And what makes this reason even worse is that most of the Blackwing cards we got after his character was established SUCKED compared to the first wave we got when he was introduced, and we still could've gotten Blackwings via Legacy Support, like how we got more of Carly's Fortune Ladies, Kalin's Infernities, etc. There was absolutely no need to make Crow a main character. Sure, he was a cool guy with a nice design, and he still could've joined the group later in the show like Bruno did, but how they went about it instead just ruined the show for me. Akiza, Leo, and Luna all got royally screwed over. We should have seen much more of them and their development alongside Yusei and Jack.
Making Crow a Signer (and the new tertiary character) was the worst mistake they ever made in 5Ds. Bringing him back to ARC-V just twisted the knife as he brought absolutely nothing to that show either other than just to hype up Blackwings again.
@@StarWolfDragon I will agree with you on pretty much everything, bar the last point
Considering his character, he and yusei were the only ones who were from the slums AND wanted to change it for the better which he did try to do in arcV
@@default9314 True. They just should've done a LOT better with writing him in both plots. They didn't have to go and make him a Signer out of nowhere in 5Ds, and I guess I just hated the direction they went with for the Legacy characters in ARC-V as a whole, by having them be counterparts of the originals instead of the actual characters (I mean what was the point? They may as well have just made whole new characters in their place who would've been affiliated with each of Zarc and Ray's respective counterparts, like Shun). I also still don't get why he would affiliate himself with a morally corrupted jerk like Shinji... But that's a topic for another day...
Yeah it was forced
I will never stop making the same joke about this situration. Powertool effectively just said "hey, I am the 5th dragon of legend. But I will sit on my butt for 95% of it all, the new guy can take care of it."
What a lazy coward. It's your duty dude! You can't just not show up to the fight because someone with no official stake decided to join the club and can fight in your slot! Or well, I guess one actually can just not show up since that is exactly what happened, I would give it heck for that stunt if I were the Crimson Dragon.
Genuinely I think Crow would have been better liked if he dueled with Rex against Roman in a 3 way duel, but Rex basically forces him to leave through shadow game & card combo shenanigans. That way you can have another good duel with Crow facing against a Dark Signer while also working with his 'hero' only to be ultimately pushed away for a 'rematch' with Rex at the end of the season. Showing that while Crow is a late arrival, he does have a reason for being there at the end of the dark signers arc.
*tImE tO TURbO DUeL!*
(Pulls out a snail)
Card games on motorcycle.
His cards were too strong in comparison to everyone else and that pushed the production to do other things with him, without thinking. The firewall dragon syndrome, if you will.
Gale the whirlwind on his own is stronger than jack's entire deck. If bro had an evolved signer dragon, the entire cast would've looked pathetic by comparison.
I adore 5Ds and all the main characters but i also love to see suggestions how this show could have been improved. Aki and the twins really needed more spotlight, some of my favourite episodes are literally just fun little filler ones with the whole gang bonding and playing a family. Like you tell me we never actually got an honest talk from Rua and Ruka about their parents who leave their children completely alone? How this influenced them?
Akzia: Im gonna be one of the most important characters
Crow: Thats not gonna work for me brother!
That's why he's more prominent.. he's their brother
17:44 It infuriates me the OP just relegates Aki to "Benchwarmer" like it's not the writing staff's fault they fucked her up and mismanaged her.
Her JP actress got married and started a family and asked for her role to be reduced to accommodate her newly reduced availability for recording. Short of recasting the character they did the best they could with what they had to work with.
@@TenebraeXVIIdeclan also had this problem with a VA! For both characters it seems they didn't get new VA, thus having less screentime
@TenebraeXVII did you not watch the video? That was debunked, the timeliness of her pregnancy and the show being aired doesn't line up
I agree with you about the disservice to Sherri LaBlanc. It's bad enough that in the Japanese version she's erased from existence by the Big Bads as a demonstration of their new power, but that episode, as well as 10 more, were completely cut from the English dub so we have no idea what happened to her and she isn't even mentioned for the rest of the season. We go from the Future Trio revealing themselves as the Big Bads to everyone to the middle of a feud between Team 5Ds and a team that uses the Nordic Gods, and those guys didn't even have an introductory episode!
OK that makes no sense on why his dragon card was in his bike, since he would’ve noticed the card when he was repairing his bike.🐱
"Crow Is Dumb" count: close to 5 at the time
XD
I'm guessing in a hidden compartment/container, so it wouldn't just fly out on its own. Maybe they weren't sure what the compartment was for. That still doesn't explain how or why Pearson set up the blackbird to recognize the tail mark, considering that Crow wasn't a signer until after Pearson died, and the tail mark was originally Yusei's, and he didn't have it when Pearson was alive either
@@Ramsey276onehe's not.
@@BrandonSwinney-j2vmaybe it’s reversed? The Tail mark sensed the card’s presence (and perhaps it didn’t specifically have to be the Tail mark) and willed the bike to give it up because Crow needed it, like how Majestic Dragon gets drawn out of the deck when needed? Idk, the Crimson Dragon is functionally a deity, it can do what it wants.
I mean from what I understand is "fuck you, Crow" is just easy to say, but what you really wish to say is "fuck you, writers of 5D's who are more interested in making characters look cool than writing a good story".
Ono couldn't even do THAT right when he was shilling his birdbrained golden boy _again_ in the fifth show.
Doesn't quite roll off the tongue
@@christopherb501wah
I think everyone's too harsh on Crow "ruining" the series
The anime production ruined the series, that is because after takashi go away started the pre world grandprix arc. But can be worst, i tries to watch yugioh vrains and in 17 i screamed with angry because watch playmaker and ai its torture, and yes after episodio 15/16 have a new recap ep after 6 episodes
@@Paulo-Gabriéden Thank you.
@@orangeslash1667 you re welcome
English is not my native language, and its strange use "you're welcome" after a thank you, because looks like i'm saiyng "you're welcome to enter in my house"
@@Paulo-Gabriéden Are saying that the production was rushed, that the writers didn't have enough time to properly develop everyone???
@@orangeslash1667 half that, because after takahashi leaved the production, the writters team started to write filler episodes, than only occuped time, the important episodes is the arc of kalin redemption, and the aparition of sherry, in one of the first episodes of pre world grandprix have two charcaters saying than now had a ned organization to control all, but only in the true world grandprix arc that become important, and had the crow part, black wing was the deck to go for the meta exactly equal with the anime cards, not had one card of blackwing than changed the effec and a bonus, blackwing winned a tournament(i don't know exactly but probably is the world championship), that only happened again with salamngreat from soulburner, so crow becomed more popular than the normal, had the rumor of crow being a dark signer but its fake, the truth is than probably the popularity influenced the production like the firewall dragon being banned.
And you can see how takashi make fault, in the the world grandprix the write team destroyed a lot of characters, jsck become a comic character, not returning the relationship with carly, akiza become another joke entering in a school with a lot of kids(she has 16 years only to remenber) and that continues. You can see again in the fact than the final looks a little rushed, from nothing now leo had the signer mark, crow and akiza had the final duel in doubles. The story starts with a social plot and ends with a time travel plot.
Its not so impactfull like vrains being developed in the same time with arc v final arc and darkside of dimensions, but becomed more a gx first season
So who here agrees that 1. Crow should've been appeared in episode 1, and 2. Kamen should make a video re writing Yu-Gi-Oh 5ds.
Ep 1? He was busy tho
@@Diamondr11Bluemaybe for a brief moment/in a flashback
I never really hated Crow, my only real problem with him is that he's just kind of...There.
When Honda and Hayato and Tetsuo and Reira are all less off-putting by their continued yet ancillary presence, something is wrong here.
@@christopherb501Tristan/Honda literally carries the group. He's always seen picking people up when they fall unconscious.
Yeah the biggest problem with crow is that he doesn’t really fit in with the rest of the cast and even in the setting as a whole it’s like the virtual world arc in the 3rd season of the duel monsters yugioh anime what whould have changed if that spontaneously didn’t happen all you really get for the greater whole of the story is kaibas backstory and the events that happen within the arc scarcely get mentioned afterwards even season 4 which is apparently a filler season still gets more callbacks later on then the virtual world arc they must have known that because at the end of that kaiba him self said in exact words alright forget all that ever happened this changes nothing and just like that he gas lights the first half of the season it’s fucking hilarious
"It's all your fault, Crow!" - Shingo Sawatari
The fault lies with you, Crow!
Sylvio is his friend chill out
Good grief. Crow really wasn't treated kindly by the writers.
Not to mention the fact that it really felt like he could've been shown at the beginning.
I feel like you missed the point. The problem is he was treated TOO KINDLY by the writers. Either against their will or not, it doesn't really matter. The favoritism he received killed the show, plain and simple.
@colt1903 I see. I agree here he got favored by the writers. But given that it dragged down and even affected other characters. Looking onward as someone who hasn't seen the 5D anime personally,I can feel a lot of ways to include Crow in without damping other characters development.
But really, like Mangakamen said here,even if we tweak the structure and or placement of Crow's involvement with the main case it wouldn't really make a difference in Crow as a character.
@@colt1903there was none it was all for yusei
@@montyturner6511no he didn't
@Diamondr11Blue What? I don't know what you mean by this bud.
So, as an Amateur writer, I want to provide a potential reason for why the "Crow was supposed to be the Main Dark Signer Antagonist" theory likes to remain relevant.
In the anime proper, after the Crow vs. Lazar duel, we see the gigantic Shadow Cloud gather over Satellite and afterwards we see no people remaining, including Crow. Compound how Crow would have a solid motivation for his undeath (While 4Kids did what they could to censor how Dark Signers come to be, they couldn't avoid Carly still, so odds are, even kids would understand how that happened) in that he'd want to do anything to protect the ones he cares about, including the orphans he cares for, Crow joining the Dark Signers would be a powerful change. Add how we see Crow introduced, robbing Sector Security, him being a sort of "Anti-Hero" is rather interesting.
The Story itself seemed to be setting up for that route for Crow to be a major Anti-Hero of the Group, someone who is basically on the side of the Good Guys, but achieves the goals through questionable methods. For Crow to join the Dark Signers (Especially after Kallen's defeat) would have added a unique intrigue to the overall 5D's story, too. Would Crow stick to his guns after coming back from being a Dark Signer? Or would he regret that and actually begin to show remorse for his actions and grow?
Basically, the gigantic "What If?" idea remains relevant because there's already legitimate in-story beats that lean in that direction.
Even if Rex Goodwin was literally wearing the "Foreshadowing" on his attire, it could have been a massive Red Herring to throw people off. Not to mention how up until his own turn, Rex has been a Reasonable Authority Figure for the Good Team. Yes, his initial actions were very questionable from the start, he couldn't just go "Hey, I think you're part of a group of people who can save the world!" and expect the people to believe him. He needed the ones he suspected to actually prove it by revealing their Marks before saying "Yeah, that mark is proof of your involvement with this situation, and you can't deny it." Also compound that Akiza was a part of the Arcadia Movement and basically under Sayer's personal watch, that's another situation to deal with.
On the topic of Rex's turn to Evil, that in and of itself feels rather last-minute tacked-on. He had been the Reasonable Authority Figure, then just goes off and says "Yeah, I want to be Evil now." That's another reason why people tend to latch onto the "Crow being a Dark Signer" theory a lot: Rex's actions were completely out of left-field. Or rather, it wasn't properly foreshadowed well enough. Rather, it felt like Rex was going to be the Surprise 5th Signer at the last second. Arguably, that's what a lot of the Season seemed to be leaning on, too.
....I suppose basically, it's just furthering just how messy 5D's as a Yu-Gi-Oh anime really fumbled the story in a lot of ways that the "What If?" ideas seem much more appealing than what we actually got.
No. Rex has the condor symbol
So the reason you hate Crow is because of the writers shoving him into the plot
Ok that’s fair
Crow's design is kind of annoying looking to me.
I find his English voice to be grating.
He has piles upon piles of pointless duels.
They made him a Signer out of nowhere.
His backstory is inconsistent.
He took away screen time and relevance from Aki.
His character was rushed to be important.
He survived a wave of darkness by hiding in a fridge.
There is no real character development for him.
The way he gets his Singer dragon is wacked.
His appearance in Arc V was unnecessary.
His character in Arc V was needlessly different.
He claimed that he could beat Jack at the end, but lose to Luca.
He beat Jack in a filler episode relatively easily.
Uhh... If anyone else has any other reasons to hate Crow, add to the list!
I like the guy, he's bold but caring and sweet and is skilled. Issues are what the writing has done with him, biggest one is making him a Signer which kinda screwed the whole show in many ways. And this is my personal problem but I dislike Blackwing as a deck, but then Black Winged Dragon happen that came out of nowhere and the later supports are sorta forced to make it works along with the deck, worst thing is the friggin' Tax Dragon. Again, I like the guy but hate what they done with him and the deck.
So with all that said.... F* YOU CROW !!
The whole Crow and Rua buddy-cop route sounds like an idea that would have worked well! You could have Lucciano be the big rival for the Crow and Rua, as his Meklord Skiel, looks like a giant robot bird which is a nice foil to Power Tool/Morphtronics and Blackwings. The big character arc for them would be realising they don't have to be just like Yusei or Jack and can fight in their own way, special only to them.
Plus, they could've made them a combined 5th Signer if Crow and Leo became the "so we're not special, we'll still keep fighting!" duo. Have Rex's Signer mark vanish, then shuffle the late-stage duels around so that they're going up against someone (maybe Paradox, since he was one of Z-One's flunkies) in the end. Their backs are against the wall, and _that's_ when the missing mark appears with one half on each of them.
I didn’t like him replacing Aki as the third of the 5Ds power trio at all or him retroactively becoming a signer and I could care less about blackwings both in and out of universe though I warmed up to black winged dragon over the years not because of the relation to Crow or the oddly out of place relationship to the signer dragons mostly its effect I didn’t mind him showing up in Arc-V but the whole tournament arc and subplot and his involvement just dragged the story on even longer than it needed to all in all
Aki just had terrible chemistry with jack or yusei though.
@disconcerningcitizen2224 she didn't have anything for Jack and was only crushing in yusei. Crow is their brother ofc she ain't shi compared to them
@@Diamondr11Blue exactly. Aki position wasn't stolen by Crow.
@@disconcerningcitizen2224 the whole Stolen arguement overlooks these facts and is just a decades long cope. Luna did get shafted by leo tho
@Diamondr11Blue fanboy thirst is a strange thing. Luna has no development in all 4 seasons of 5ds.
22:37 Even though I completely agree with you in most if not 99% of the points, I unironically believe that the only plot point of Crow that makes sense is to become a sector security, and the reason is simple. He didn't just hate the institution of sector security but what it does to people. For Crow, his main objective as a character is to protected the people from satellite and he just hates the disparity of society. So when that disparity is almost gone in 5Ds, then in order to protect the people he loves, makes a lot of sense to become a cop.
Basically, he hates cops because of corruption, but without corruption, he doesn't only have no more reason to hate cops, but he can also be a good cop himself.
Cept the problem is we never saw him express that, nor was there any actual set up for him to do that. You can make all the theories you want, which is fine, but that's not enough to justify that nor does it explain how he would accept that part.
@@Mangakamen I have to disagree here. While it's not said directly Crow just dislikes the abuse of power, the only reason we are ever given for anyone in the satellite disliking Sector Security is the way they are actively held back. We also know Crow isn't a might makes right person based on how he cares for the orphans with Martha. It seems to me Like Crow believes in looking after the little guy, which is something cops would do in a good system but aren't doing because it's a bad system. Crow becoming Sector Security could even be seen as a subtle nod to the viewer about how things really are getting better after the time skip.
"the only reason we are ever given for anyone in the satellite disliking Sector Security is the way they are actively held back."
I mean, Security also trapped them on the island as essentially slave labor, and that people who were born in Satellite can't become members of Security...
"Crow becoming Sector Security could even be seen as a subtle nod to the viewer about how things really are getting better after the time skip"
Too bad that's never foreshadowed.
As an Arc-V fan, I would like to talk about Crow in that show. In my opinion, he's not good in 5D's, but he's flat-out bad in Arc-V. Why, you ask? Well...
First off, he's out of character. Now, it can be argued that the legacy characters of Arc-V have some leeway when it comes to characterization because it's a full AU and their backstories are different, but Crow is just a complete jackass when that wasn't part of his characterization before. In context? Yes, it makes sense _logically_ that he would be angry at Yuya for endangering the kids, but it just doesn't _feel_ right, and it also doesn't flow well (especially because Yuya was the reasonable one of the team and actually tried to lay low). Then later on, he and his kids basically dismiss Shay outright because "you can't be sad about losing everything if you never had anything to begin with" or some BS like that.
And this brings me to my single biggest problem with Crow in Arc-V: his duel with Shay. While I like the _concept_ of Shay dueling against someone he comes to understand and thus spurs his character development, the fact that he _loses_ after his character development is spurred feels anticlimactic and needlessly punishing. Doubly so since that's the duel in which he first summons Ultimate Falcon - the symbol of his resolve and his drive to protect his loved ones, the physical representation of his character arc made manifest. (And he goes on to lose EVERY SINGLE DUEL in which he summons a monster higher than rank 8. Including Ultimate Falcon. But I digress.)
What should have been a triumphant moment for an established original character of Arc-V, who's been around since the start and has been struggling to trust even his own teammates, turns into a triumphant moment for _a cameo character._ There was no reason Crow had to win that duel. It's thematically inappropriate, forced, and... need I mention that the card he won the duel with isn't even played in most Blackwing decks because it's bad? Meanwhile Ultimate Falcon is practically mandatory in Raidraptors? That's just bad advertising and blatant favoritism.
I could go into how Crow is the first person to come back from being carded, for no apparent reason other than blatant favoritism, but I think I've made my point. If you want to listen to me ramble about Crow some more, by all means, ask and I will provide. But in short: Crow ruined a perfectly good moment for one of my favorite Arc-V characters who got done severely dirty in general, and I'm still salty about that.
PREACH!!! I didn't even think about that when he dueled Shun. TBH, the whole Synchro Dimension Arc was boring, frustrating, and way too long for me... Shinji made me hate it, which is a whole other thing... What is Crow doing being friends with that morally corrupt jerkass...? Seeing his duels against Tsukikage and Yuya was infuriating to say the least...! But back to Crow... I absolutely agree with you on him taking away Shun's potential further character development. The fact that he could've been the one facing off against Berserk Yuya in the semifinal round would've been him saving both Yuya and Yuto, which would've made the duel MUCH more iconic! But nooooo, they just had to have Crow be the one to do it to hype up those damn Blackwings (and these new ones weren't even good except Raikiri (I believe? The one that destroys cards) and that freakin' Gofu that broke the game for a short while).
If you ask me, they should've brought back Akiza instead of Crow. At least then, Yuzu could've interacted with her during her time in the Synchro Dimension, and heck, Akiza could've been the one to save her (instead of Sora) after Sergio sent her flying, using her Psychic Powers to do so! Yuzu could've had her own side story in that arc stretched out more instead of being a freakin' Damsel in Distress.
Let's face it, ARC-V Crow was a mistake from start to finish. All we got from him were more broken and busted Blackwings, a Hate Sink character in Shinji, and further wasted potential all around.
@StarWolfDragon Shinji... oh God, that's a whole other rant on its own. I can't properly put into words how much I despise him LOL
I would have loved to see that version of the semifinals. Definitely more poignant than "Crow is still an unreasonable jerk for no good reason"... sigh.
Also I would've taken Akiza over Crow as a legacy character in a heartbeat. I mean, we had Alexis for GX, why not Akiza for 5D's?
Him (or anyone) being used to help develop Sawatari was really welcome
If he didn't just break his duel disk and remove him from the plot until the Zarc duel
Shingo deserved so much more
All the legacy characters in arc-v are different than their original counterparts. Arc-v jack is such a different beast that’s he’s a new character with some paint coated on. This isn’t a crow problem
@Cyberas-jet It is, kind of, because a lot of the problems with Arc-V also stem from Crow and Katsumi Ono's blatant favoritism toward him. He was a lot more prominent than he should have been, and won duels he absolutely shouldn't have, which is my complaint.
Black-Winged Dragon's situation is still weird, and probably worse so, even factoring in how due to the World Championship video games revealing the existence of the Heart mark while Dark Signer arc was still airing as it meant two Signer dragons were sealed away and the second one was just...hidden inside a motorcycle instead of being in a special sealed form, sealed like the final Earthbound Immortal or held by the final villains. Like while the commonly believed amount of writing impact over his popularity is clearly exaggerated due to development time it does feel like the signer arcs were moved around and pushed back forced Rua to wait longer than he needed and made one of the Signer dragons not fit its owner as they ended up phoning it in since that kind of change can make sense over dozens of episodes and over a season change instead of just 1 dozen and clearly be worse written than the stuff at the beginning.
Feels like Crow would have gotten Heart sign at very end, this time coming because of him fighting fate so much he rescued last Dragon so Crimson dragon give him mark as boost instead of how it was done impying he was always a chosen in a similar way to the video game mcs (who at least have excuse of being self-inserts), if pace was better done. And the Crow Rua connection you mention does also feel like it would have fit that pace this time showing himself worthy by mentoring a signer into his destiny. Making the marks instead fit the good chosen one trope of those who raise to the occasion are then chosen for the power to succeed.
Aki was sacrificed.... for mr bland.. smh lol
As if the YGO anime writers ever need an excuse to throw an interestingly written female lead in the garbage.
Is is just me or do most modern anime can’t write good characters!
But……BUY BLACKWINGS!
It's only you since 5D's is not a modern YGO anime @@tarikkash4282
@@darksword0928Sevens is just basic on its female rep, yet it comes off like a feminist _masterpiece_ compared to the garbage Gallop kept pulling.
I disliked Rua at the beginning, but he really had growth and became one of my favorite characters. Then Crow appeared and the plot did bend itself to put him on a pedastal. I was so pissed of. The ultimate battle against Aporia is still my favorite part of 5Ds. Love Lifestream Dragon and fuck you Crow! Also RIP poor Aki. Mrs. Benchwarmer.
#AkiDeservedBetter
Rua is such a nice character
The fact his fragility is so apparent (he is baby tbf) and yet he keeps putting himself in harm's way to protect his sis screams courage
There's so many little things to appreciate about him too like his summoning chants
Rua is such a nice character
The fact his fragility is so apparent (he is baby tbf) and yet he keeps putting himself in harm's way to protect his sis screams courage
There's so many little things to appreciate about him too like his summoning chants
@@Rar-u2f #AndRuaToo
Cringe
In terms of 5Ds aside from Yusei, Crow is my favourite male character. However I do understand your point but that’s not going to change my mind. I acknowledge your point of view on the character and I respect your opinion but my I still love Crow as a character. I do however wish they didn’t just make him a signer out of nowhere. That much I’ll whole heartedly agree with you on.
All it would have taken is maybe a half an episode of Ylliaster doing time travel shenanigans to cause the existence of Crow himself. Because not only would that foreshadow the time travel plot heavily, it would create an amazing set of themes and existential issues for all of the characters. Like, how real are the memories of the main characters at this point?
Ok first of all how fucking dare you…
While I wouldn’t say that he ruined Yugioh, Crow did a lot of damage to 5D’s. Especially in regards to both Akiza and Leo, Akiza more so as it really did feel like she should’ve been the third main member of Team 5D’s rather than a benchwarmer, and in regards to Leo it really did feel like he was supposed to get a rematch against Greiger where he would’ve gotten Life Stream Dragon, and would’ve probably become the official fifth signer after the final duel against Rex. Instead both of them got shafted hard by a character that honestly got way too much focus than he should’ve gotten.
Crow Hogan is if the writers have a favorite charater, can't make em the main charater, don't wanna change em, but dangit they want to put em in as much as possible.
This one thing anyother charater could have? GIVE IT TO CROW! ..This one scene? GIVE IT TO CROW! ...Oops we pushed Crow too much, have another charater take over, but have them loose so that you can give YUSEI the PROTAG the win and make Crow look better by default.
But you know what Crow is in 5DS? Joey Wheeler... but introduced way later and slotted in like nothing. You heard me.
Crow was written to be 5DS's Joey.
Jusei is Yugi.
Jack is Kaiba.
That's not how I see it.. but if you look at how everything gets treated..it makes sense.
But insted of keeping him in a "Joey status" as in.. "Not one of the chosen ones."
They were like: "But what if they were."
And that's why Crow is Crow. They wanted to put in Joey, then they pushed him foward a lot and well... you get it.
Team 5ds vs Team Unicorn is my least favorite duel of the entire second half because it's Yusei soloing Team Unicorn.
Yeah that team duel is probably the worst written one i think every duel in that arc aside for team taiyo was whatever but the team unicorn one was just outright bad.
20:46 You must be blinded by Rage. The Garage scene in the final episode was a fanservice to all the Yuki shippers unequivocally confirming Yusei and Aki became a thing. You can tell by the way she closes her eyes while close to him and then they disembrace to the fingertips like they did something off camera.
If pokemon does a better scene than that, you know you messed up.
now its 6d's instead of 5d's ...
6Ds nuts
10:24 I mean it's more like if Indiana Jones used a fridge to escape the literally face-melting power of the Arc of the Covenant, as an atom bomb is scientific while this is supernatural.
Your reasons aren't something you out right hate a character for. You blame the people behind it. Crow didn't hurt Yu-Gi-Oh. Konami hurt Yu-Gi-Oh, they tried to fix it messed everything up and, the community didn't make it better. For those asking Crow was introduced during the 5ds era when the Konami was releasing the first sets for Yu-Gi-Oh during Synchro era. They didnt expect for blackwings (Crow's archetype and deck of choice) to have popped off the way it did. So they originally had it set for Crow to come in be corrupted by the dark signers (like carly) and be wrote off. Once the conflict with dark signers and the earthbound immortals was set and everyone was to de returned back. Well the fandom love for Blackwings their instant tier 1 statues and, love for them. Caused the story to change as Leo (Rio) was gonna be a signer and get his dragon seen in the cut scene where the crimson dragon + 5 signer dragons clash with the earthbound immortals. You see Livestream dragon but later on it's removed for Black winged Dragon. Then they add both into a cut scene together. As well they dropped him smack dab into a major conflict to connect him to the other main characters basically make him the Joey of the group.
I kinda hope at some point Yugioh re does the older 3 anime. I’m sure they won’t but it would be cool to see an updated version of the old art style of yugioh and a retelling of DM, GX and 5D’s.
Fixing errors or even using the mangas for each.
Can we put arc v, and vrains into it too, those can benefit hugely from remakes, in fackt while I LOVE all the six yu gi oh series (not counting the rush duels anime’s) the one among them I have the least grips with is Zexal, as it told it story in the best way, wich is ironic because of the slander, parts of the yu gi oh community gives it.
The manga for GX does relate more to the Egyptian past but I think they would avoid adapting those manga...because of stuff like 5Ds one basically confirming Z-one was really future Yusei and they'd rather pretend that Yusei can't be evil.
@@lassegrotkjr6326 they can but I just see more value out of the first 3 getting remakes due to bonds beyond Time and dark side of dimensions movies
@@Masterblader158 honestly I think it could work for a remake. Z-one could have been maybe an alternate yusei that never beat jack in the first tournament, or saved Aki.
The manga for all but the original are separate from their anime counterparts. DM was an adaptation of the manga, while all the others are their own thing. The manga for each are just different stories with similar characters and setting, which all came out _after_ their anime started.
"Only to survive by... hiding in a fridge"
Ah yes! The Indiana Jones way of surviving something that shouldn't have worked at all!😆
Are you rlly applying reality to fiction ?
He also took too much screentime in Arc-V as well. All my homies dislike Crow's abundant screentime.
Crow is the one symptom of a bunch of other major issues with 5Ds both production and writing
My dude is looking too deep into this. The writing (dub) did no favors but that can be overlooked.Crow is a lovable character with an awesome deck.
Crow wasn't a bad character, but he's one of those characters that got on your nerves whenever he tried to drive home a point about whatever.
It's like if they tried to make Joey Wheeler have an Egyptian backstory to make the last season of Duel Monsters work. I think Joey works as a character because HE DOESN'T have fate or destiny on his side. He just has his sheer will. And that was what was likable about Crow, he wasn't "special" or a chosen one. Until they gave him the mark.
Granted the argument could be made "he earned it" despite not being "a chosen one". But I personally like how they handled Joey more.
They could have easeley made Crow a more competent version of Joey. Yuseis trusty right hand man thats there fore him when he needs it but dosnt hav much inpact on the plot. Just a Badass Duelist that aint needing no stupid Dragon mark!
Joey was already pretty competent. The dubbisms and anime gags might have pbscured that, but most of his opponents used trickery that he overcame.
The one thing I "love" about Crow is how he never had an established surname when he was first introduced. It wasn't until halfway into the WRGP that we learned it.
Yeah, just keep piling on the evidence he's a Sue. Gotta convince those stragglers somehow.
@@christopherb501how is this evidence? It's just a name. God yallcare copin
FU Crow! But specifically because it feels like Leo/Rua got shafted out of the Signer role early so that he could get it instead. Him becoming a late Signer makes sense for all the reasons justified onto Lua/Leo later.
Luma got shafted bc Leo. Blame him too
Tldwr: Crow could’ve been a good mentor for Leo and Akiza
In my idealized version of 5D’s Crow is present from episode 1. We don’t see Crow but he’s mentioned as the reason why Rally was able to get his hands on the d wheel upgrade for Yusei.
We wouldn’t see Crow until Yusei gets sent to prison. Yusei, being the new guy, gets targeted by a prison gang. Crow helps to get the heat off of Yusei’s back in exchange for grabbing extra cards for the gang leader. He’s able to help Yusei get his hands on a deck to make their escape easier. When presented with their opportunity to leave, Crow chooses to go back to the Satellite to keep an eye on things for Yusei.
Crow in the satellite prevents sector security from kidnapping Yusei’s friends at the cost of his jackals. Crow would then be motivated to go to New Domino to try to free his underlings.
Crow’s role in the plot from then on is being a mentor to Akiza and Leo. He himself was never a prodigious duelist so he understands their struggles more than Yusei. He’ll still get his chance to take out a dark signer, but beyond that point he’ll leave a tuner monster with Leo to help him unlock lifestream dragon later on.
Yep you got it one instead of hating the concept of crow we should be thinking of what couldve been to make him a better character than what we originally got im sick and tired of Crow was ment to anti hero antagonistic rival to yusei why there is nothing wrong with crow normally it the fact he was elevated to Main character status too quickly and out of nowhere is the problem and that all there is too it no offense to mangakamen outtakes here
Clicked merely to see “Why would anyone have hate boner against Crow?”
Bc silly
I think a lot of people tend hate Crow due to revisionist history instead of paying attention to what actually happened. I disagree that Crow replaced Aki in the trifecta.The thing is her arc was finding and fitting in a family which she did throughout the show,the 5Ds crew,Crow already had a role with the family.From the moment he is introduced to Crow we are drip fed info that Yusei,Jack and Crow are foster brothers and have fought forever in Satellite culminating in the fight to save not just the world but their hero as well while restoring their bonds as brothers. For the rest of the show he keeps Yusei and Jack in check while grinding for money and we see their bond as strong as ever as they carve out a new future.Essentially Crow is what Katsura is to Yusei’s Gintoki and Jack’s Takasugi.He is the brother that will back them up even if they aren’t on good terms especially when it matters.
"The thing is her arc was finding and fitting in a family which she did throughout the show"
No, it was done in the second half of the first season of the show. Afterwards, she didn't have that issue.
"From the moment he is introduced to Crow we are drip fed info that Yusei,Jack and Crow are foster brothers and have fought forever in Satellite culminating in the fight to save not just the world but their hero as well while restoring their bonds as brothers."
Which is why he's never mentioned before his introduction and not properly introduced to have a connection with them until AFTER he's seen on screen.
@@Mangakamenfrom what I’ve been alluding to Yugioh 5Ds is structured like Gintama where the relation to the main character carries the story as well as how certain characters are introduced, later in the story but still very important to the main character.He may not have had significant impact until the Benizakura arc but after Takasugi was important till the end the same with Crow and the Dark Signer arc.
He was transplanted into the Dark Signer arc - This comment doesn't really explain in response to my comment.
@@Mangakamen basically to clarify what I’m trying to say is that although he wasn’t foreshadowed,Crow and his relation to Yusei and Jack is why story wise he has priority over other characters and I’m using Gintama as a comparison. To end this hopefully on good terms I’ll concede that we needed more Aki,as a gearhead it would have been awesome to see her learn and actually build a motorcycle and duel for parts and have her and the twins swap with the bros during the WRGP arc.As for an Arcadia arc hard pass which is a whole other can of worms so I’ll just say it’s cool seeing other view points of why characters are goated or hated.
im surprised people actually dislike crow tbh but hey blackwings are still cool.(ignore the long combos lol)
23:15
THIS!
Looking back to all of this now it made me remember just how everything about this guy looks like it was thought of at the last minute.
His debut, out of nowhere.
His friendship with Jack and Yusei, out of nowhere.
His move to 3rd MC, out of nowhere.
His mark, out of nowhere.
His Dragon (ffs, that makes them 6D's now), out of nowhere.
I'm so annoyed at all the decisions that were made with this character and all the character colateral damage.
Fortunely, they did make up for it with Shark in Zexal
I mean Shark was the actual Zexal rival
Glad there’s someone in the yu gi oh community besides me, that can see how perfect fore the best friend role Shark is, that he choses to see him as the best friend, rather that Bronk the nothing character.
@@lassegrotkjr6326He doesn't have the best friend role, that was moreso Kite if anything. Tons of merchandise that features only rivals features Shark and Yuma, even the duel Opera a Japanese event where the voice actors for the rival and main character duel only has Shark and Yuma and never once Kite.
@@Honest_Mids_MasherShark was an interesting middle ground between best friend and rival, which is probably why you could label him as either. Yuma outright calls Shark his best friend during the Nasch duel. Kaito was more of a minor rival/benchmark for Yuma to try and reach, and after the WDC he was more of a friend than anything else.
One thing I personal think didn't help the character or much of the series was that certain events/plot points happened off screen (Like crow becoming a cop) or forgotten (Like Leo & Luna's friend, who seemed like he was going to try to steal at least stardust dragon.)
I had a theory about Crow. That Aki was never intended to be part of the main trio. The fifth signer was supposed to fill that role before this idea was reworked into Crow for season 2.
But due to how she was written in season 1, it gave the impression that she was going to be important. Or at least more important than intended.
Pretty much, Aki character arc was completed after season 1. The fanboys are in deniel
@@disconcerningcitizen2224Never truly gave Crow one. If that's the reasoning, falls apart when they didn't give Crow something proper. Oh, and lest we forget, it TOTALLY slipped their minds to properly resolve Ruka. Talk smack about Aki or hype up the birdbrain all you want; the writers still sucked.
@disconcerningcitizen2224 her arc wasn't completed, it got choke-slammed. Sayer, her personal villain, just _vanished_ along with his cult of superhuman cronies with zero explanation until a book revealed years later that he just reappeared next to some security officers and got arrested. Heck, just giving her a mini-arc around the Blood Mefist/Hook Knight cards (maybe make them the result of some Arcadia loyalists with a hate-on for Team 5Ds) would've been better than what actually happened.
@nicholasfarrell5981 Arcadia purpose in the story was twofold. Introduce Aki and link a dark signer to her (misty). They were never set up to be anything more, having to go back and deal with the Arcadia movement would have ruined the pacing.
Yeah, they didn't intend for the Arcadia stuff to be relevant past season 1. Their biggest mistake was not keeping Sayer dead. Or at least wrapping up the aftermath of the cult's collapse during the epilogue for the Dark Signer Arc.
We need a Fanfiction that rewrites the series without crow as a signer and as a Dark signer. Akiza would duel Goodwin with Jack and Yusei, Leo would become the 5th signer with him Akiza and Luna having bigger roles.
Not like they ever told us, but I always suspected that the reason we didn’t see Crow until later on was because he might have had run-ins with law enforcement. We learned from Yusei that the marks on their faces were only given once they were imprisoned in this dystopian future, so Crow bearing so many marks made me think he must have gone to jail quite a number of times before the series began.
Konami: the blackwings are a pile of gold lets go brrrrr
I've been rewatching 5ds as of late, and I have been able to notice the points you've brought up. Heck I even skipped a few of his one off duels with random one off characters like the dude who had Time Wizard. Was Crow my favorite 5ds character? No he just gave me a few good laughs thanks to the dub and in Tag force
And all of that happened because Konami wanted to advertise and sell blackwing cards....Yep
Hating on Crow is actually insane 😭
They just so mad to the point thry don't see these 2 ppl are actually friends , not enemies.
Personally I like Crow as a character even as a kid I liked him in the dub. I found his deck to be fun and I liked the episode with old man junk. Though the dub dise make him a bit dumber. He was also my favorite tag partner tag force 4 and 5. I think he'd have been a better character if he wasn't a signer
Yeah, I agree with others that the title is overdramatic.
20:49 I KNOW! It was RIGHT THERE! Fixing Aki was half the reason I decided to rewrite 5D's.
Also, thanks for doing this video. There were a few things I forgot.
Looks like we finally get to see the whole reason for Kamen’s visceral hatred of this character!
I miss Tohru and Misaki the player's best friends and team from YuGiOh 5DS Into The Nexus. The original wielders of the Scrap archetype and Watt archetype.
Can we talk about things zexal did right cuz my gosh objectively it is the best series
Yess
i feel like it would have made more sense to write crow out of the show during his dark signer duel.
they could have ended it in a mutual kill giving yusei and the rest of the main cast a more personal reason to care about the whole situation by losing a friend.
it also would have prevented aki and the twins from becoming background characters for the rest of the show.
Can't blame the character for how bad yugioh dubs are.
GX has a good dub actually!
15:40 he could've died in the process of building it, and Crow finished it, or maybe the guy just built a stock duel runner for Crow and crow added modifications to it
I was always a Kaiba and Jack and I want this to be known before I say, I can't stand Crow in the English dub but in Japanese was bearable
As someone who was 10 during 5ds, Crow was cool af
Not going to lie, I was sort of saddened that Leo didn't become a signor when he was in his duel with Devack. Like he was struggling but he was putting his heart into his duel along with trying to think of some strategies that helps him survive longer. But I still have a sour taste when I see Aki's first WGP riding duel and she lost to BS plot written things so Yusei can defeat all of them. Aki should have won that duel in the WGP and she should have lost to the 2nd team member to show she is capable of holding her ground and not just a sacrificial maiden for Stardust, I mean she literally has traps that reflect effect damage. As for Luna she got the short end of the stick too out of all of them, she was just a stepping stool for her brother when she has an interesting power out of the signors since they found her more threatening since Earthbound Immortals need field spells to stay on the field. She could have had a filler ep about her dueling prowess ,that was told literally in the show that she was gifted in dueling and her getting upgrades since she can go to the Spirit world. The spirit world has not really been explored and we never hear about Dark Sage ever again. Heck he doesn't even get to have an alternate form to suit Luna's deck or even BE in Luna's deck despite her deck primarily being spirits she has gone into contact with.
While i can see your points, i disagree with you about him getting his sign. His situation is similar to Link from Wind Waker, where he wasn`t a Chosen One, but earned it. I would argue he should have gotten his sign right after defeating Bomber to demonstrate that destinies are not set in stone. Again, i agree that it is poorly executed, but if he legitimately earned his sign he could have had the dynamic with Rui, where he was a bit of a mentor to him.
Also Kamen, are the clickbait titles really necessary? Is the algorithm screwing you over that hard?
After I got hacked? YES. They are.
@@Mangakamen Ah, my bad. I am partially stationary hospitalized right now and only have internet access at weekends when i visit my home. I had no clue about you being hacked.
A lot of what you said about Crow reminds me of why I hate Zexal‘s last arc, and especially what they did with Shark. They basically reset his entire character arc of learning to trust in his friends, and made him a Barian for no other reason than needless melodrama (not to mention that this causes…just…a whole hecking lot of inconsistencies). None of this has any setup either (in fact, I feel like Shark and Rio were originally planned to be connected to Astral World somehow, which would have been a really cool twist actually).
They essentially took what could have been a pretty neat concept for a character, and squandered it by shoving it onto an already existing character (which, to be fair, is not an issue Crow has at least). I know Yu-Gi-Oh! already suffers from cast bloat, but had…let‘s call him Barian Shark been introduced as a new character at the start of Zexal 2 alongside the other Barian emperors (and someone to take Rio‘s place as an emperor I guess), it would fix sooooo many of the writing issues of the Barian Emperors‘ War arc. (although it wouldn‘t fix how Vector is shoved aside after being set up as the main villain for more than an entire season‘s worth episodes, so it’d probably be best to just keep it to the five emperors they had in Season 2)
I still don‘t get how it is so beloved by the way, even if you take the probably better executed emotional bits in the japanese version into account.
See I think Shark and Rio and Nasch and Marin could have worked if they were double agents and just didn't tell Yuma(and if Rio/Marin got to do things). You'd get the same Astral and Yuma drama without the random drama of Shark backtracking on his friendship with Yuma.
Like you wouldn't even have to change that much cuz the one who tried pulling the "I'm your friend" card was freaking Quattro, the guy who put Rio in the hospital and Shark has hated since the start of the series.
Have Shark backstab Don Thousand and Vector because they're the villains, give Yuma a smug grin as he reveals his and Rio's brilliant plan and then after the Don Thousand duel Astral points out the Numeron Code needs to be fully formed to destory it or something and boom the Final Duel with Shark goes unchanged
@@TheWizardMus To be fair, Quattro didn‘t know the card he played against Rio would do what it did, and helped save Rio in a tag duel with Shark that is framed as resolving the issues between them, only for that to be completely shoved aside as well…
The Barian Emperors‘ War arc just can‘t stop messing things up, can it?
It was set up excellently, I’m just saying. There were already two missing Barian Emperors, some of the other Emperors recognized him, and then there was the duel against Rio when she was possessed by Abyss Emperor, showcasing off the flashback of their previous human lives.
And Don Thousand was already set up almost immediately to be the final boss as the Emperors discovered their past human lives that were warped by him.
@@riotkitty And all of that happened in Season 3, after the first duel with Vector. The point I’m trying to make is that it should have been set up right after the WDC Arc at the latest. We only learn of Nash and Marin right at the start of season 3, and up until that point, it never feels like there should be more Barian emperors. Hell, when Rio senses the Barians invading in the second half of season 2, she’s afraid of them. Considering this, it seems kind of odd that she turns out to be one of them some thirty episodes or so later.
Plus, we also have to watch Shark mope around not wanting to be a Barian for like fourteen more episodes after the Abyss Emperor duel, which is quite annoying imo, only for him to turn around and join them after one conversation with Dumon that amounts to “but you were our king tho.” “Huh, guess I was. I’mma betray my friends for a group of people the viewers are supposed to think I care about but I’m never actually shown interacting with in any positive way, nor do they seem to like each other very much, also, the guy who ruined one of my lives is there too.” This just doesn’t make any sense to me, largely because I feel it ignores a lot of established character dynamics.
@@xeni6277 even as Bararin shark never trusted Don thousand if shark wants to live his life as a Bararin emperor he should of been a double agent.
why would you take the dub seriously?
the ENTIRE series is bad in english as it’s written as a comedy first for kids and shounen anime for young adults and teens in japan lmao
yugioh gx and 5ds probably had it the worst too omg
I will not tolerate this Crow Slander, I love him.
I personally think Crow is auper chill and I love what a big bro he is to all the Satellite kids, but I will never forgive him for stealing Akiza's spotlight. Not only the best Yugioh girl but my favorite 5D's character in general.
He didn't steal anything. Yusei was the sue