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You should do the Jon Bois video about Doc Ellis the pirates pitcher who threw a no hitter while under the influence of LSD lmfao
Been requesting that for a while! There’s a few good docs to choose from too!
When I saw the name, "Jon Bois" I thought it was an auto-correct version of "Jomboy". Glad I double checked before mentioning it🫢🤣
Also the "222-0" and "the kicker who kicked a touchdown to himself"
My favorite part of that story is his name is “Ellis, D.”
Glad to see Jon Bois getting big. Some of the most creative sports coverage ever.
Yes! Jon Bois is great, and this is one of my favorite videos that he's done. Of course, his crown jewel is the Mariners documentary, which is basically 3.5 hours of this type of thing plus incredible stories and phenomenal production value
Yes. I know it's super long compared to most individual videos DN reacts to, but boy, oh boy, what a phenomenal treat it would be to see them react to that Mariners dorktown video series.
There isn’t a need to do the Supercut version by the way. It’s IS a super cut, meaning that there are shorter (still 30 minutes per vid but shorter anyhow) videos that are strung together to create the 3.5 hour supercut behemoth. You can react to each individual part like a TV episode instead! Thais I how it’s supposed to be reacted to anyway.
(God that player’s reveal is gonna bang so hard, trustttttt)
A bases loaded walk is indeed an RBI. And it is an earned run.
Now time for The History of the Seattle Mariners: Supercut Edition!
It's a quick video and doesn't get too in-depth but I think you'd enjoy it.
Oh, and it's also probably the greatest piece of sports media ever created.
Lol hope they react to that. One of the best videos I've ever seen
I cannot emphasize how much better than everyone else Bond was. His eyes alone should be in the HOF. He would see one pitch a game to hit, sometimes only 1 per week and he NEVER missed it.
This. It's the most impressive thing about Bonds. You give him 1 pitch, and he made you regret it.
One of the few pitchers to challenge Bonds every time they faced and someone who earned Bonds respect was HOF pitcher John Smoltz. Smoltz was a power pitcher with a FB, slider, Change, and had a devastating Splitter he developed through his career and was one of the best if no the best split FB in MLB late in his career when he went from a SP to Closer. After he retired, Smoltz said whether he got an out or not, everyone he ever faced would take swings at his splitter. Everyone except Bonds. Smoltz said Bonds never took a swing at any splitter he threw at him.
@@Crazyhorrse I always respected the pitchers who weren't afraid to go after him. That epic battle he had with Eric Gagne is still one of my all time favorite at bats. There was even one lefty specialist guy who pitched for the Yankees and Red Sox who Bonds had trouble with. Can't remember his name though.
@@jameshurley9551Mike Stanton comes to mind, no idea if it’s him.
Better at cheating
Whether you got a base hit, hit by a pitch, or walked by a pitcher with the bases loaded, the runner scores from 3rd base and the hitter EARNS AN RBI. EVERY TIME. PERIOD.
jon bois and jomboy, saving baseball
Jon Bois/Secret Base is a treasure trove. The Mariners documentary, the highest scoring basketball game ever, Georgia Tech v. Cumberland, Punting, and The Bob Emergency are all classics
The Vsauce of sports.
Can't forget about Scorigami! Probably the most impactful Jon Bois video, as the majority of NFL fans, players, coaches, broadcasters, etc. know about Scorigami now.
This is an amazing mental exercise that really demonstrates the fear factor Bonds brought to opposing pitchers. Yes it's all theoretical and makes the supposition that his real life stats and situations were imported into this simulation as the sole factors in pitching decisions. These types of video game numbers are relatively common through high school (the leader this year is over .900!), fairly rare in college, and unheard of against the top baseball talent in the world!
This is Jon Bois' masterpiece in my opinion.
I'd go with 17776 and 20020, but those aren't just straightforward videos
The ricky henderson is my vote for his best
I loved Barry as a SF Giants fan, he will always be my hero. I hate all the crap when so many have done things to enhance their sports acumens. I was always sensitive to his personal background, his relationship with his Father and how that effected him inward emotionally.
7:10 IBB that forces in a run counts as an RBI
Another 🔥 video. Barry Bonds hater here. I remember how feared he was. It was usually the right decision to walk him.
After watching these Chart Party's and loving them, you guys have no excuse not to watch the Mariners Documentary Series now lol. I promise you guys will love it!
Just FYI - they were only counting the Walks to start. But since some of the walks involved a foul ball and he didn't have a bat so they had to randomize it. The 335 AB's they added in after that brought it up so high just added more walks in the remaining AB's where his bat came into play.
It was a privilege to watch Bonds play. You knew you were watching greatness. His eye for pitches was unreal. He never swung at a bad pitch. He was so much better at the plate than everyone else.
You got it, at the end there the on base went up so much because it was counting every ball in play as a strikeout.
This has to be this guy’s side-gig. He’s so good at conveying the meaningful information to be found in oceans of data in visuals that he has to do this full time in some corporate capacity.
Edit: so they’re saying they’re removing all events where contact was made on the last pitch of the at bat and then filling in the rest of the at bat by using randomly selected points on the pie chart of balls and strikes. This ultimately gives him an on base percentage similar to the he got in real life, but far fewer total bases.
This is a fun exercise in math and statistics. It's a fascinating example of how metrics can suggest some pretty wild strategies. But let's be real-reality doesn't always play nice with theory.
Advanced stats are amazing for understanding and improving performance, but they can't capture everything-especially the unpredictable human element. Momentum, emotion, and the strategic dance with other teams are things numbers just can't fully grasp.
This reminds me of that hilarious idea from hockey analytics where mathematicians suggest pulling the goalie and running 6 on 5 almost as soon as you're down a goal-no matter the period. On paper, when they show you the math, it sounds genius! But in reality? Players and coaches would quickly counter it. You'd see defensive shells and players practicing long-distance shots from their end of the rink in no time.
Similarly, if pitchers figured out, and they would, that Barry wasn't going to swing, they'd just throw strikes all day long. While it's a fun thought experiment, it shows how theoretical models often crash headfirst into the messy, wonderful chaos of real-life sports.
Walks and Hit by Pitchs do count as an RBI with the bases loaded.
The batter does get credited with an RBI if he walks or gets hit by the pitch with the bases loaded. If there is an error or a double play, then no RBI.
The jon bois on ricky henderson is possibly my favorite sports video on youtube.
Bases loaded walk is an RBI, the only times a run scores without an RBI being awarded are if the run scores on a double play, a run scores on a fielding error, or a runner steals home or scores on a passed ball or wild pitch. Basically a walk or even hit by pitch forcing in a run, it's considered that the batter getting to first is what caused the run to score.
Important note: Run scoring because of an error includes both cases where that specific runner would have stayed on third or been out if not for the error, and those where another runner would have been forced out for an inning-ending third out if not for the error. However, the latter category usually only applies with 2 out as an error cannot be charged on a play where an out is recorded ("you can't assume the double play") *except* when the ball reaches first base in time and the first baseman drops it.
I worked at McCovey's restaurant in Walnut Creek Ca.! I've met him a couple of times...Intimidating as hell!
Looking at Bonds' stats is truly mind boggling. I'd highly recommend checking out Bonds in 4 if you haven't already
He sure as hell did get the RBI!!!! You can get hit by a pitch and get an RBI. The Diamondback were down by 2 with 2 outs and they walked Bonds. It forced in a run and then next hitter got out and the Dbacks won. Wildest thing ever.
To put it in perspective, Ohtani is having an absolute monster of a season. His OPS is 1.022 as of July 25. 1.250 is bonkers.
If anyone gets an RBI on a walk with the bases loaded it should be the pitcher 😂
Love every bit of content by Jon Bois
I would highly recommend Jon's video on the 220-0 college football game
Barry had literal video game numbers
I would need to know how he handled multiplicative probabilities in the event that he had to simulate more than one pitch, presumably for ABs where Bonds flew or grounded out early in the count (he didn't really cover details there), but if he did that right, it could potentially be correct.
A walked in run is an earned run presuming he allowed the and runner on base in the first place.
A bases loaded walk, intentional or not, does count as an RBI, and does count against the pitcher's ERA (assuming that the runner at third is an earned runner, ie, he didn't reach on an error or something like that). The same is true of a bases loaded hit by pitch or catcher's interference.
Hits, walks, intentional or not, hits-by-pitch, sacrifice flies, sacrifice bunts, fielder's choices all give an RBI when the bases are loaded and a run scores. The batter does not get an RBI if he hits into a double play, but a run scores, if the pitcher or catcher balks, if the pitcher throws a wild pitch, the catcher allows a passed ball or if the player reaches base by the way of an error.
In the Autumn of 2000, I did a paper in my "Sports Reporting" class on the benefit of batting behind Bonds. The school of thought is that a batter provides "protection" for the hitter ahead of him, by making him work and implying that failure and getting to Bonds by letting the previous batter reach base, is potentially more costly because you have handed Bonds an opportunity to score run(s). I forget the exact numbers, but over his career with the Pirates and the Giants, there was very tangible benefit to hitting behind Bonds. Almost a player's offensive number vastly improved hitting behind Bonds.
I was SCREAMING at the TV. YES! If a batter is walked intentionally with the bases loaded, the run DOES COUNT, it counts toward the pitcher's ERA etc, etc, etc.!!!!!
As a giants fan, I will always have big love for Barry Bonds. With or without the steroids.
When you walk with the bases loaded you get an RBI
5:33 - Yes, same Craig Counsell.
7:06 - Yes, a walk with the bases loaded does, counterintuitively, count as an RBI for the batter but, more obviously, an earned run against the pitcher.
As for whether Jon was full of crap, it would be a lot more fun to know whether the hit balls were actually in the zone or not but I think he's kinda on to something. Problem is, bat or not, pitchers would stop pitching to him if he stopped swinging.
A walk with the bases loaded is an RBI
Right now they are treating Aaron judge like Barry they walk him till the last inning😂😂😂😂😂
Bonds was not always walked out of fear.
Yes, he would get an RBI if walked with the bases loaded... A player does not receive an RBI when the run scores as a result of an error or ground into double play.
Omg! The your/you’re thing kills me! lol
If Bonds get Intentionally Walked with the bases loaded, Bonds gets an RBI, doesn't get a recorded AB. The pitcher gets a higher ERA.
Walks do indeed count as an RBI/earned run. It isnt so much that its a hit, more that the pitcher could have prevented it, in theory. Baseball is quirky and that's the best part.
I love Bonds. I was a teenager during his insane peak and he was just so fun to watch.
Walk with bases loaded is an RBI
IDK? I'm not a Bonds fan per day, I did get wrapped up into who will break the record for homers in a season thing back in the early to mid 2000's
At his peak he's the greatest team athlete in sports history, even better than Gretzky.
Dylan Cease (Padres) just threw a no hitter!
JON BOIS REACTION LETS GOOOOOOOOO
Probably slightly off, because he was simulating pitches as either ball or strike. A small percentage of pitches will actually hit him. Would it make much of a difference in the long run? Probably not.
You could refine the simulation by changing the expected strike percentage to accurately reflect the count it was thrown in instead of it being a flat 58% chance of being a ball. A pitcher will throw more strikes in a 2-0 count than in an 0-2 count for example. But off the top of my head, Bonds' OBP would still be higher than Helton's and lead the league. Ridiculous stuff.
609 onbase in 04? Insane! You cant even do that in a video game...serious, go and try to have a 609 onbase in MLB the show. Insane!
It should be noted .608 is still above Barry Bonds' OBP in every other season... and the best anyone ELSE ever manager was Josh Gibson in the Negro Leagues back in 1943 with .560. If you don't want to count that as reliable due to mixed levels of competition and incomplete data on those leagues, the best in the AL and NL is .553 by Ted Williams on 1941, when he also became the last player to hit .400. Williams was ahead of his time in a sense: Taking walks wasn't highly valued by much of anyone until the Moneyball A's in the 1980s, which is why none of the old-time batters who hit .400 often make the top of the list. (That, or their walks were low for the same reason their averages were high, which is pitchers throwing pitches down the middle of the strike zone; modern day pitching wasn't really a thing in the 1800s)
Yes, you do get credit with an rbi if you made the pitcher walk you......
I'll never forget that era - Bonds would get booed mercilessly at other teams' stadiums due to the various allegations of steroid use (some founded) every time he stepped to the plate... And then they'd boo even louder when their own pitchers walked him.
Barry Bonds isn’t viewed as a baseball villain like he was when he play & when he was caught using PEDs. Alex Rodriguez, on the hand…
Of course, if Bonds never put a bat on the ball, the opponents’ fear would have dwindled quickly, and the pitchers would have thrown a lot more strikes. An interesting and entertaining video nonetheless.
Seems to me he can't justify using a random number generator which in the long run (in expectation) will produce .50 change of strike v walk for the fouled off pitch. Instead if he swings at pitches that are .80 strikes and .20 balls (as he said), he would need to use that probability for selecting whether the without-a-bat pitch would have been a strike or ball--thus .80 likelihood of being a strike on the fouled off pitches. Otherwise, the prior known probability information about his swings being strikes or balls is not used and he has inflated the OPS.
The goat 🐐!!!
This should be interesting
Secret Base...best sports channel on you tube
BB is an RBI
FINE! I’ll watch the video to see what this headline is trying to say. Y’all click baited me. 😂
Gotcha 😂😂
Your're...take that!
Fun video! I'm really confused how and why we got through a whole Barry Bonds video without discussing the glaring steroid-enlarged elephant in the corner. There's a reason he's not in the hall of fame!
We’ve done videos about his steroid use in the past
Bonds was definitely vaccinated
First one 🥇
His conclusion is technically wrong. He asserts at the end that "Bonds would've had a .608 OBP if he never swung the bat". That isn't true. The choices pitchers make aren't determined before the AB. A pitcher's decision making is decided by what the batter is taking and swinging at during the at bat. If Bonds never swings, then pitchers aren't going to throw him so many balls or intentionally walk him. If a player never registers hits, then just throw it down the middle every time
What John Bois actually proved is that "If Bonds never swung the bat, but could sometimes do jedi mindtricks and make pitchers believe he swung the bat, then this would be his OBP"