Mike Cameron apologized to me for not signing my hat when I was a kid. Dude had to go do fielding drills when I was next in line. That "Sorry bro, I gotta run!" while pointing at me as if to say "I got you" (all while jogging backwards) is, oddly, one of my favorite baseball memories.
Genuinely appreciate content like this. There’s so many guys I look back on or “forgot about” that could make up a legendary roster themselves. As soon as I saw Troy Glaus, I knew I needed to sit down and watch.
I remember when the Braves signed him and I was so stoked. He played one year in Atlanta. He was only 33. That was his last year in MLB. And I forget he played in Atlanta until I see his name brought up. Fucking Troy Glaus
Jim had two handfuls of Gold Gloves (8), .504 slugging % and a 60.4 WAR. .903 career OPS, 393 HRs Yet he did not get any serious consideration for the HOF.
I will never forget watching the highlight of that catch for the first time on SportsCenter. It was the morning after the game, just before school and it was number 1 on the Top 10. That catch was a really big deal when it happened. Might be the first time I've ever seen a baseball player do something that I never thought possible
dude this is crazy but i’m in the photo of mike cameron signing autographs. i’ve never seen that photo before but the second it popped up i recognized myself and my childhood best friend. WILD
Rafael furcal has to be one of my favorite players of all time. His arm was INSANE!. Bullets to 1st base. Probably could have been a pitcher. Problem was injuries. Solid video here!
I think the most overlooked is Johnny Damon to be honest. Dude has a ton of hits and played on two World Series champs, all while doing a lot of great seasons in all else Kansas City. As for Lankford I think he was on the juice too, his teammates all were.....
Jason Kendall also deserves a mention. He had 9 seasons of 10+ stolen bases as a catcher and leads the position in career stolen bases with 189, is 5th all-time on the hit-by-pitch leaderboard, is one of only 8 catchers with 2,000+ hits (and is behind only Ivan Rodriguez for the most hits at the position), was great defensively having put up nearly 14 dWAR, and made 3 All-Star appearances, but he never won a major award, not even a Gold Glove or Silver Slugger since he was overshadowed at the position in the NL by Mike Piazza for hitting and Charles Johnson for fielding in the late 90s-early 2000s (in fact the only time he recieved votes was when he finished 3rd in 1995 NL ROTY voting), and he only received two votes on the 2016 ballot.
I wasn't a fan of any of his teams but bro literally was so above average offensively, he might not be putting up all them dingers but like you said he could steal and he usually had a high average at least for catchers standards
I wanted you to be wrong because I was thinking of terrible Pirates teams, but, his BR page shed light on him. A couple more years and he has 2,500 hits, 200 steals, 400 doubles, and a near .300 average. Pretty fucking good for a backstop.
@@billybaugus1249 No. The HOF is already tainted by players getting backdoor elected by the Veterans Committee. Marginal players should not be getting in.
Props for The Strokes in the background. Also for shedding some light on my guy Reggie Sanders. He was a lone bright spot on an awful Pirates club. Glad to see him and these other guys from my childhood get some recognition. Great video
Not sure if you mentioned him in a different video, but Jermaine Dye probably deserves a shout out as well: Averaged 27 homers and 91 RBIs for a solid decade on .280/.345/.506 splits, bashed 30+ homers on 4 different occasions and even logged a Top 5 MVP season in ‘06. Dude was legit.
Dye was a casualty of McGriff wanting to stay in Atlanta. The braves offered him a lowball salary never expecting him to take it. The plan was to move klesko to first base. Since mcgriff accepted the deal, dye was buried behind grissom, klesko, Justice, and Andruw Jones. The braves would trade justice and grissom for Lofton and trade Dye to KC for bench players.
@@whitedeion598 if I recall correctly, he got his first shot as a rookie filling in for Justice in ‘96 after Justice went down with a dislocated shoulder and did at least a serviceable job with it. You are correct though that the Braves were loaded with outfield talent back, plus they just kept luring in marquee players via trade or free agency (Lofton, Galaragga, Brian Jordan, etc). It’s actually kind of insane they only won 1 World Series in that era.
I am legitimately shocked Becket got ao little respect, his 6 year peak run from 05 with the Marlins through 2011 with Boston, he was 99-55, with over 1000 ks, and 5-1 in the playoffs. He also carried the sox in 07, going 20-7, although he lost the CYA to Sabathia.
Great pull with Lankford. I watched him play as a kid and loved the guy. Big lefty wearing my favorite number. Glad he made the StL HOF and we get to see him with a red jacket every year. Awesome that you gave him mention because he was definitely a fan favorite!
As a Braves fan, I appreciate the love for a lot of Braves from the era I first remember watching (I was born in 1995 so my earliest memories were of the early-to-mid-2000's teams). Also, as a Braves fan, I can't ignore the fact that, even though he was too injury-prone and inconsistent to be eligible, that Brian Giles's brother Marcus was always one of my favorites as a kid and it's good to see that he's turned out better in the long run.
6:31 this man is beloved in Anaheim an absolute legend to Angels fans The 2002 World Series MVP and probably the greatest hit in franchise history with his double in Game 6 of the 2002 World Series to complete the greatest comeback in World Series history being down 0-5 to 6-5 winning the Game 6 forcing Game 7
Funny how you had Giles in this video as I am going thru my card collection and have 3 different mint 9 and one 10 rookie cards of him. He was like a copy of my all time favorite player Howard Johnson and a mention to another player Ron Gant. I really enjoyed this and thx for the memories. Have a great holiday season.
thanks for the trip down memory lane, as a kid who religiously watched the braves and baseball in general from 95- 2006 all these guys were something to see (even Brian Giles) on the diamond. Furcal had an amazing arm Andres Galarraga 1st base (Nicknamed Big Cat) had a plastic protector installed in his glove to handle the heat from furcal. Ryan Klesko had always flown under the radar. I dont remember much about Beckett. Glaus rookie card surged when it came out and was a very solid 3rd /1st baseman. I hated when the braves played Ray Durham that guy was a tough out. JD drew had all the clout and talent but he was just always hurt and wasnt willing to play hurt. I think at one point he turned down signing with the phillies and they threw batteries at him on the field when he visited with the cardinals.
@@Rockhound6165 I was about to mention him. Deserves his spot in the hall for sure, but it’s crazy that he’s the first (only?) player to get 100% of the votes. Griffey was a once in a generation player and still didn’t get 3 people (made up number) to vote for him. Insane….
If general consensus is that someone doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame then 0 votes is the correct number. You can't say he doesn't belong in the hall of fame but he deserves a few votes. If you wouldn't vote for him why should someone else?
@@mm6461 Totally. When I was growing up in the 80s your second baseman was a great infielder and you were lucky if he hit above.270. Then all of a sudden, in the 90s, you had guys like Boone hitting.330 with Popeye forearms, blast 30+ homeruns
He was pre-steroid era but...Dale Murphy, man. 398 career homers, back-to-back MVPs, one of the best defensive outfielders of his era. But by the time he got on the ballot in '99, 398 homers all of a sudden seemed like chump change. He and Roger Maris are the only non-cheaters with multiple MVP awards not in the Hall.
Murphy was strange in that he had as good a #'s as anybody for about a 5 year stretch but hit a wall around age 28 when he couldn't catch up with high hard fastballs and pitchers just wore him out. There was no reason for it for he was notoriously straight laced and never drank or used drugs and in great shape and was a good model citizen.
The fact that Murphy isn't in the hall is criminal. I remember how great he was and the 1982 Braves do not go to the playoffs without him. Not to mention he's a 2X mvp, 7X all star, 4x silver slugger, and he has 5 gold gloves. I think his last few years sinks him as his numbers really fell off. Maris on the other hand with the exception of 1961 had a pretty pedestrian career.
I always liked Cameron, he was a great player for the Mets. That collision he had in the outfield with Beltran was tough to watch, glad they were both able to recover and continue their respective careers.
Looking back at the 2001 Diamondbacks team is crazy that they were the underdogs to win it all. That team was stacked by this kind of players. Look into it
Why is it crazy to be underdogs against a team that had had won 3 World Series in a row? Are you serious? Of course they had a great shot throwing out the 2 best pitchers in the game 2 out of every 3 games. That will always give you an awesome shot but they had to beat a dynasty.
i find this premise to be stupid. If youre giving a vote and you have a generational talent along with Troy Glaus, the right thing to do is give Glaus a vote just for fairness? What is that? Baseball is supposed to be a meritocracy. You want to give guys participation awards? A vote. what does that do, nothing.
As a cardinals fan I love the representation of 2 solid but under loved redbirds both those guys were so fundamental to many playoff runs I hope furcal is enjoying his travel days!
He didn't get votes because his peak was so short. He was good from like '04-'08, that's it. You typically need more than like 5 impressive seasons to get real HOF consideration.
I started watching baseball in 2003 and playing All-Star Baseball and MVP baseball around 2004 and this vid just took me back to my childhood lol. Miss guys like Ryan Klesko and Troy Glaus.
Josh Beckett in playoffs... 93ING, 3.07ERA, excellent4.7K/W... in '03 Shut Out Cubs with Marlins down 3-1 in elimination game, THEN threw 4 ING of relief in game 7, THEN won World Series MVP with Game 6 legendary performance at Yankee Stadium... in Game 6 Beckett opens with 2 inside fastballs to dead fastball hitter Derek Jeter even though Jeter nailed the first pitch just foul down the 3rd base line, i'm not sure how many MLB have the balls to throw a 2nd fastball inside knowing Jeter probably is not expecting it but could hit a HR if things go wrong... in '05 i sat behind home plate and it looked like Beckett's curveball went Shoulders-to-Shins when he wasn't throwing 98mph fastballs at 6 foot 5 inches... fax!!!
Awesome video! Definitely had multiple "oh shit I remember that guy, he was pretty good" moments. I'm a Sox fan and remember Josh Beckett's time with the team. I think his attitude in Boston sank him and ruined his relationship with the media. The "chicken and beer" flop down the stretch in 2011 was all anyone was talking about here that year. And he was CONSTANTLY ridiculed by the local media for his perceived lack of work ethic. His matter-of-fact, apathetic attitude he took with them didn't help either. He gained a reputation for being lazy and a bad clubhouse guy here, I wonder if that followed him into retirement and ultimately onto the HOF ballot.
Furcal was one of the first guys to catch my eye as a kid. I was a fan when he was a Brave, happy for him when he won the world series, and even saw him play in Miami.
Every single guy on this list was a top prospect at one point and for the most part, underwhelmed exponentially. Thats really why they got no votes. Good, but nowhere near great.
Ron Gant and Doug Drabek were both from my hometown and should have gotten at least a single vote....Gant played for 16 years with Atl and StL, hit over 300 HRs and went to multiple WS. Drabek, a Pirate, won a Cy Young and had a 22 win season. Both had a career WAR above 30.0
@@jasonmgomez I know Horner did I thought Gant did as well but it was another Cardinal Mark Whitten. Incidentally, Horner and Gant never played together. Gant's first season with the Braves was 1987 and Horner's last season with them was 1986.
Ray Lankford for some reason is a guy I always remember from that era lol Reggie sanders too,I love this list ,that era was def my favorite era of baseball steroids or not it was pure theater from bonds ,Sosa,Maguire to Yankees vs Red Sox in the playoffs there was always something
You've one-upped me (and probably everybody else) highlighting good players from the steroid era with zero HOF votes. But I think there are still several other underrated guys from that period who are pretty much forgotten now who also deserve some mention as well (although they may have received a HOF vote or two). Guys like Bobby Abreu, Travis Hafner, Derek Lee, Carlos Lee, Elis Burks, Javy Lopez, and Brian Jordan (almost near identical to former teammate Ray Lankford who you've listed) just off the top of my head. Anyhow, great list.
The only era of baseball I liked. Mark, Sammy and Griffey Jr in the home run race of 98 was crazy. I think Griffey hit high 30’s, low 40’s in home runs that year which is sad cause he was clean and was clearly the best of the 3.
Awesome video! Ray Lankford was the star for the cards in the early 90s when I was growing up!! I always had the number 16 on my jersey!! I was at the game in 1991 when he hit for the cycle!! Plus Brett Hull was the number 16!!
Glad to see guys like Furcal and Cameron mentioned enjoyed watching them play a lot. I’m actually not familiar with Durham or sanders so it’s cool to learn about someone new.
I would last-pick Durham every year for my fantasy baseball second baseman and he’d always do like 90% as well as 2Bs who were like the third or fourth 2B drafted.
I feel Juan Pierre was very underated. Juan Pierre had no power, but was super consistent throughout career with his career batting average at .295 and over 600 career stolen bases. Not to mention a decent glove in the outfield.
He had season WAR totals ranging from -0.9 to 3.9, not exactly the definition of consistency. With Pierre you may get slightly below replacement level production or you may get borderline all-star level production, season to season he was a total crap shoot.
@@Trumpisscum-420 Fair to say, however Juan pierre is in select company having over 600 stolen bases and over 2000 hits in his career. I'm not making a case for him in the hall of fame. However I would definitely put him in the hall of very good. If my team needed an outfielder, I would not hesitate to have someone similar to his level of play on the team. IMO he is underated.
We live in an era where EVERY hitter is hitting 20+ HR's but the HR leaders usually finish with 45ish 30 years ago it was the opposite. If you hit 20+ HR's you were seen as having decent power and the HR kings were hitting 50+
Great video sir! Yeah Ray Lankford is severely underrated man... St. Louis folks remember him but not many else... It's funny that you had Mike Cameron on the list as he was slept on also but the guy he rated just below (#37) was Willie Wilson who had an even weirder career arc and also slept on.. both player until they were 38 but Willie had 2 more years on Mike but numbers very similar.. just opposite type of players that played the same position.. Willie was super speedy (like 600+ s), more average (won a batting title) and defense..
I've said it before & I'll say it again: as a Braves fan, I'll never stop being angry that we traded Adam Wainwright to the Cardinals in exchange for J.D. Drew for one year
I've been following the Hall of Fame vote for about 25 years now, and once thing I've noticed is that the number of players to go without a vote seem to increase in the past 15 years or so. In the 2000s it seems that a few writers were likely to throw candidates they like a vote. I looked at the vote dating back to 1999, and from 1999-2010 there were never more than four players that failed to get a vote. However, beginning in 2011 there was an eruption of players that failed to get a vote. In fact, there were more players that failed to get a vote in the five years from 2011-2015 than there were from 1999-2010! 1999 - 2010: 34 2011 - 2015: 36 2016 - 2019: 35 The 0-vote problem seem to be dying down as there were only 21 of those in the four ballots since 2020. Nevertheless, there does seem to be a distinct rise in the number of players to receive 0 votes. There are probably a lot of factors behind that. The steroid controversy is probably one issue, as writers have shown they generally don't want to vote for anybody with any connections to steroids, but that probably isn't the only factor or even the biggest one. The year of the big leap in number of players to get 0 votes is 2011. It just so happens that the year before, there were four players that debuted on the ballot that are now in the Hall of Fame (Roberto Alomar, Barry Larkin, Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff), the same number as those that failed to get a vote (including Ray Lankford). The thing is none of them got in on their first try, which meant they carried over to the 2011 ballot. Then the 2011 ballot added Jeff Bagwell and Larry Walker, both of whom are in, but neither of them got in on their first try. Even though Alomar was elected in 2011 and Larkin in 2012, you had a backlog of Hall worthy players that grew exponentially with the Great Ballotgeddon of 2013, when guys like Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Mike Piazza, Curt Schilling and Sammy Sosa got 5% but none of them were elected. This backlog only continued over the next several years that finally died down after the BBWAA elected an unprecedented 20 players in six years from 2014-2019. Consequently, it probably isn't surprising to see the courtesy vote fall to the wayside. Throw on top of that the increasing transparency, and you might expect voters to be find it easier to withhold a vote for a guy like Brian Giles than try to explain why they are voting for a wife-beater like him. Anyways, for the tl;dr, there are a lot more players that didn't get a vote if they debuted between 2011-2019 and it was probably because the ballot was full of Hall worthy candidates.
They should remove the baseball from the hall of fame because even though it performed during the dead ball era it has of late been juiced. Zero votes for the baseball. The difference being that the juiced players, especially Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire, saved MLB post strike. Not letting some of these players into the HOF (even Pete Rose) is a joke.
I get where you are going here. Beckett and Zambrano, OK... These are realistic suggestions. Some of these are just average. You can't look at average and say "Oh, maybe HOF?" The real crime of the HOF is paying way too much attention to what chemicals people were ingesting. It is a big media hype. Press any 'fan' on why steroids are bad and the best you will get out of them is "It's cheating." Then ask them "why?" The real answer is "Because media told me it was bad."
Thank you for standing up/speaking out against cowards that beat & abuse women. Too much of that goes on, and seems to be ignored. Great list of players, such as LANKFORD, & SANDERS, two of my favorite players, & criminally underrated. Awesome video, my friend, thanks for sharing!!
Agreed. He fits the criteria. Broken down in his mid 30s after great years. Just because he want big like bonds. Neither was Brian roberts or Alex Sanchez .
@@alwillk how does Griffey fit the criteria of a steroid user because his body broke down in his mid 30s? One of the clear sings that a Guy used peds is that they were still in their primes in their mid 30s . That's the exact opposite from Griffey
Beckett is a perfect fit for a list like this. Gun to my head, not a lot of guys I would rather give the ball to in a do or die game. I'm pretty biased as a Sox fan, but absolutely loved watching him.
I love the fact that MLB The Show used 90% of these guys on Diamond Dynasty, helping to keep their careers from fading away entirely and allowing newer generations learn who they were and what they did in the league.
WAR isn't perfect but usually use 50 as my cutoff for HOF cases. They are a little earlier than this, but just under 50, Brett Butler and just over, Tony Phillips are two guys I always think of who I watched as a kid. I love perusing Notinhalloffame. I liked Dwight Evans too. Kenny Lofton, David Cone, Mattingly doesn't make the cut by WAR because his back went out, but he was one of the best. His defense was amazing, and for his short prime he was an amazing offensive force. I think the fact that the Yankees sucked most of his tenure there and then the steroid guys came along and changed our perception of what a hitter should do. (Edit, those aren't 0 vote guys, just guys who dropped off the ballot.)
Been a die hard Phillies fan for 41 yrs now, so I hated the Braves my entire life, and I especially hated the Braves as a teenager in the mid-‘90s. But growing up I was very fortunate to be in a position to meet many players (mostly on the East Coast) thanks to so many being clients of my old man’s company. Ironically, one client that I got to meet was Tom Glavine, and he was generous enough to give us tickets to that nights game. That night I’m not ashamed to say I became a huge Ryan Klesko fan. Klesko went 2-4 with 2 monster HR’s, a walk, and 3 RBI’s. He was an absolute beast! And even tho my two younger brothers still give me crap for liking a Braves player, I feel no guilt, dude was so much fun to watch…
Did you seriously just compare steroid body transformations using Bonds and Tiger Woods lol??? I get what ur saying about it not helping you see the ball better, but that extra strength/power/bat speed helped turn warning track power into home runs. Balls coming off the bat harder, etc… I totally agree it helped them recover and stay on the field more, but it massively inflated numbers.
Nice video! I always maintain that anybody who appears on the HOF ballot at least belongs in the Hall of Very Good automatically. You had to have something to last 10 years!
Today was the *1* year anniversary of when "The Most Underrated Players of MLB's Steroid Era" was uploaded! I recognized some of these players' names but knew nothing about any of these players until now. This was interesting! 🤓
I don't understand how Josh Beckett isn't in the HOF. The fact that he hasn't received a single vote is mind-blowing. What he did in 2003 was nothing short of remarkable.
I feel like you did a very good job unpacking this topic. If there were a catcher in this video, this lineup of guys would have made a dominant team! Bits of why these folks are underrated and unloved: Giles... you mentioned it, an awful human putting up good numbers on awful teams. Zambrano ... would probably be a Hall of Famer if he'd wanted to keep caring about baseball, but he didn't. Lankford ... the only other solid bat in that Cards lineup other than Big Mac and passaround Reggie when he was there. And the toughest end of the stick on this list has to be Mike Cameron ... The dude gets traded for Konerko, then Junior, then has his biggest breakout season in '01 when Ichiro showed up and broke baseball. He still put up good offensive numbers in spite of playing home games in Cinergy, Safeco, Shea, and Petco, finally putting up home run numbers compatible with his actual power when he played at Miller Park towards the tail end of his career ... and gosh, he just looked like he was having fun playing baseball and that was worth idolizing. p.s.: If I never have to watch Ryan Klesko's stupid batflip or godawful defense ever again, I'll be happy.
I'm going to say this before the video starts FRED MCGRIFF - that man was clean & hit a HR in EVERY BALL PARK!! (AL & NL). Tied with Lou Gehrig just shy of 500 bombs. The fact he isn't in the HoF is a crime. As to other guys I'd say Kevin Brown comes to mind. Super dominant but his injuries dragged his numbers down. Still - in todays advanced metrics war, but would have been valued more. Jose Rijo is another what if... made a nice comeback later on but didn't have the length of career. Josh Beckett. Johan Santana lead the decade in strikeouts but played mostly out of the era. His earlier seasons kind of crossed with it. AJ Burnett. A poor mans Randy Johnson. Jeff Kent should be in the HoF. Best offensive 2B ever, people forget his Mets years too. Kevin Mitchell - played every position well & was a bonafide stud. Andy Van Slyke - deserved better than he got. Mo Vaughn - such power Juan Gonzalez - Juan Gone was a freak. Ron Gant - 5 tool player for the Reds Bret Saberhagen - could win every other year. David Cone Dwight Gooden (Both pretty much the same careers for different reasons) Greg Vaughn - see Mo Vaughn but worse Tim Salmon - this dude could RAKE Glenn Anderson - another Angel like Tim - that was MR CONSISTENT. .285 25 HR 120 RBIs... but didn't produce in the WAR/JAWS Juan Guzman - there was a time this guy was ace material Vince Coleman - the OTHER fastest guy in the league next to Ricky Henderson Chris Sabo - could hit .350 with 15 HRs... Kent Hrbek - Minnesota's power guy Darren Daulton - Phillies power guy Jon Kruk - a much better hitter than anyone gives him credit for. Bob Wickman - great closer - actually had a bobblehead night for him in Cleveland the day AFTER they traded for him Joe Franco - Mets fan know... best closer they ever had Rod Beck - San Diego remembers those sprints to the mound. Marquis Grissom - clutch CF who OWNED the World Series. (Also now that I've seen the video Furcal... yes nice pick) I could have gone on forever with this list but had to stop somewhere. Shame I left him off. I'm sure I'll see others. YESSSS Ray Durham. Absolutely one of those 5 tool players who it actually where all 5 of those tools are sorta 4 1/2 tools. Reggie Sanders is also my Ron Gant clone. Love it.
Great stuff so many good ones with solid numbers. Players like Rodríguez, Ramírez just to mention a few should never be on a list of so many good players. Andrew Jones if I recall was also a user.
I love Reggie Sanders. Bunch of these guys are the best 2nd best guy on the best team types but still elite like Scottie Pippen. Sometimes, though, i need someone like you remind me of a player for me to remember how much i liked their game.
Great list. Langford was solid. He probably didn’t get votes because he was verbally quiet. He never mouthed off. He was never the go to interview. As for JD Drew, he was a total head case. He was all about JD as well. That’s why St Louis traded him. He never became the IT player for Atlanta or Boston either despite the obvious talent.
As a Phillies fan I have two players I’m going to mention, one of which I’m not saying he’s Hall of Fame worthy (cause he’s definitely not), BUT Mike Lieberthal was a very good defensive catcher who could hit for power at times, and he rarely struck-out. Lieberthal had his injury issues but he was basically the main draw on some bad Phillies teams. The other player, Bobby Abreu, has been getting some votes the last couple of years but not nearly what he deserves. A career .291 hitter in his 18 seasons, Abreu was a 2 time all-star, a gold-clover, a silver slugger, a hr derby champ, and a 7 time top-25 mvp finalist. He also rarely missed a game, twice playing all 162 games in a season, once leading the league with 50 doubles, and another time leading the league with 11 triples. 8 times he had over 100 plus RBI’s in a season, 4 of those seasons Abreu did it on some really bad Phillies teams. Bobby Abreu did this during the steroid era, without the help, and absolutely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame…
The problem with being too lenient on steroid players is we have no idea how many prospects/players missed out on opportunities because they were at a disadvantage
Another crazy thing about Carlos Zambrano is that he prefers football (or Soccer in the US), he even had some great anecdotes with Real Madrid players.
While she didn't know him super well, my mom was classmates with Mike Cameron at LaGrange HS (LaGrange,GA). The only thing that subdued just how great of a player he was then was playing baseball at a school with a historically great football program. They won state and then a national title in 1991.
In the early 2000's I saw Mike Cameron pre-game in Cincinnati (he was with the Mariners). I told my wife, now there's a man amongst men. Then Reuben Sierra walked out. Made him look like a toothpick. I don't think either should be in the hall though. Just my opinion.
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Mike Cameron apologized to me for not signing my hat when I was a kid. Dude had to go do fielding drills when I was next in line. That "Sorry bro, I gotta run!" while pointing at me as if to say "I got you" (all while jogging backwards) is, oddly, one of my favorite baseball memories.
That's really cool. Hope u still have the hat autograph or not. Love from NH bro.
@@K37-h1z His story is literally about how he didn't get an autograph
We loved him as a Brewer in Milwaukee
I have so many random fond memories of Mike Cameron. I was like passionately committed to him as a kid. He’s the best.
It was genuine, pal.
Mike Cameron is a G for being a legit CF Gold Glover that has a 4 HR game.
Genuinely appreciate content like this. There’s so many guys I look back on or “forgot about” that could make up a legendary roster themselves. As soon as I saw Troy Glaus, I knew I needed to sit down and watch.
Yeah like ray Durham and lankford 😂😂 both very skilled though
I remember when the Braves signed him and I was so stoked. He played one year in Atlanta. He was only 33. That was his last year in MLB. And I forget he played in Atlanta until I see his name brought up. Fucking Troy Glaus
Best Angel third- baseman of ALL Time!... not even close...how we let him get away , was a joke on the front office!
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Jim Edmonds hit almost 400 home runs with a .280 average, won a handful of Gold Gloves and made perhaps the finest catch ever recorded in baseball.
He also had a career .900 OPS.
This video was about Zero votes. Not snubs.Jim got votes.
Jim had two handfuls of Gold Gloves (8), .504 slugging % and a 60.4 WAR. .903 career OPS, 393 HRs Yet he did not get any serious consideration for the HOF.
I will never forget watching the highlight of that catch for the first time on SportsCenter. It was the morning after the game, just before school and it was number 1 on the Top 10. That catch was a really big deal when it happened. Might be the first time I've ever seen a baseball player do something that I never thought possible
He was such a great player.
dude this is crazy but i’m in the photo of mike cameron signing autographs. i’ve never seen that photo before but the second it popped up i recognized myself and my childhood best friend. WILD
very cool !
Can I get your autograph?
The red head with the sun glasses?
Don’t forget Aramis Ramírez who hit 380 homers and 2300 hits in his career
Clutch Cubby
Thank you, Pittsburgh
ARam is better than every guy in this video.
@@michaelnavarra6360and some HOFers
Shawn Green is another one for this list.
One of my favorite cubbies.
Rafael furcal has to be one of my favorite players of all time. His arm was INSANE!. Bullets to 1st base. Probably could have been a pitcher. Problem was injuries. Solid video here!
1st player i got to see steal home.....absolutely loved his rookie year but that arm was special for sure 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Played hard. Fun to watch. Made the game interesting. Miss seeing guys like him.
He would get doubles and triples off bunts. Crazy speed and arm strength
5 tool player for sure. Threw smoke to first base but aim was a little sketchy sometimes
As a Mets fan, I hated furcal. Also got slap hits against us. Hard nosed. Good arm.
I think the most overlooked is Johnny Damon to be honest. Dude has a ton of hits and played on two World Series champs, all while doing a lot of great seasons in all else Kansas City. As for Lankford I think he was on the juice too, his teammates all were.....
235 home runs, .284 batting average, playing his entire career during the Steroid Era. Two all star teams.
I don’t think so, champ. 🤦🏻♂️
Jason Kendall also deserves a mention. He had 9 seasons of 10+ stolen bases as a catcher and leads the position in career stolen bases with 189, is 5th all-time on the hit-by-pitch leaderboard, is one of only 8 catchers with 2,000+ hits (and is behind only Ivan Rodriguez for the most hits at the position), was great defensively having put up nearly 14 dWAR, and made 3 All-Star appearances, but he never won a major award, not even a Gold Glove or Silver Slugger since he was overshadowed at the position in the NL by Mike Piazza for hitting and Charles Johnson for fielding in the late 90s-early 2000s (in fact the only time he recieved votes was when he finished 3rd in 1995 NL ROTY voting), and he only received two votes on the 2016 ballot.
I wasn't a fan of any of his teams but bro literally was so above average offensively, he might not be putting up all them dingers but like you said he could steal and he usually had a high average at least for catchers standards
Never wanted CC Sabathia to leave Milwaukee because of Jason Kendall. People overlook how well someone works with pitchers.
My favorite catcher aside from Molina!👍
If he'd played his entire career with the Yankees, he would probably be a hall of famer😅
I wanted you to be wrong because I was thinking of terrible Pirates teams, but, his BR page shed light on him. A couple more years and he has 2,500 hits, 200 steals, 400 doubles, and a near .300 average. Pretty fucking good for a backstop.
Paul Konerko didn't make it out of the first voting and he has 440 home runs. Hall of the very good.
This video was about Zero votes. Paul got votes
How many Gold Gloves did Konerko have?
He should be in. Like Edmonds and A. Jones and that list could go on
@@billybaugus1249 No. The HOF is already tainted by players getting backdoor elected by the Veterans Committee. Marginal players should not be getting in.
@@nattydesignstudio5102 i didn't name any marginal players
Props for The Strokes in the background. Also for shedding some light on my guy Reggie Sanders. He was a lone bright spot on an awful Pirates club. Glad to see him and these other guys from my childhood get some recognition. Great video
Not sure if you mentioned him in a different video, but Jermaine Dye probably deserves a shout out as well: Averaged 27 homers and 91 RBIs for a solid decade on .280/.345/.506 splits, bashed 30+ homers on 4 different occasions and even logged a Top 5 MVP season in ‘06. Dude was legit.
no doubt great player!! consistent numbers!.
I wanted the Orioles to sign him before the White Sox gobbled him up in the FA Market.
The image of his leg breaking on a foul tip lives rent free in my head to this day.
Dye was a casualty of McGriff wanting to stay in Atlanta. The braves offered him a lowball salary never expecting him to take it. The plan was to move klesko to first base. Since mcgriff accepted the deal, dye was buried behind grissom, klesko, Justice, and Andruw Jones. The braves would trade justice and grissom for Lofton and trade Dye to KC for bench players.
@@whitedeion598 if I recall correctly, he got his first shot as a rookie filling in for Justice in ‘96 after Justice went down with a dislocated shoulder and did at least a serviceable job with it. You are correct though that the Braves were loaded with outfield talent back, plus they just kept luring in marquee players via trade or free agency (Lofton, Galaragga, Brian Jordan, etc).
It’s actually kind of insane they only won 1 World Series in that era.
I am legitimately shocked Becket got ao little respect, his 6 year peak run from 05 with the Marlins through 2011 with Boston, he was 99-55, with over 1000 ks, and 5-1 in the playoffs. He also carried the sox in 07, going 20-7, although he lost the CYA to Sabathia.
carlos zambrano destroying things with a bat was always fun
He walked so Chris sale could break tvs
Not for the stadium custodial staff 😟
@DrAnarchy69 or dugout Gatorade tanks :( I did always thought he was hilarious in his way though.
@@thomasguglielmo1509Drake LaRoche dislikes your comment.
@@robbiearroyo2292 Or Michael Barret.
Alphonso Soriano. 7x all-star, 4x silver-slugger, 40-40 club, 412 homers.
He got one vote.
Almost 50/50 pretty darn close one year
And horrible defense
I was gonna say him too
Soriano get a better look in veterans committee down the road.
Great pull with Lankford. I watched him play as a kid and loved the guy. Big lefty wearing my favorite number. Glad he made the StL HOF and we get to see him with a red jacket every year. Awesome that you gave him mention because he was definitely a fan favorite!
Ray Lankford was one of my favorite Cardinal Icons! He was lethal as a hitter if he didn’t strike out!!
As a Braves fan, I appreciate the love for a lot of Braves from the era I first remember watching (I was born in 1995 so my earliest memories were of the early-to-mid-2000's teams).
Also, as a Braves fan, I can't ignore the fact that, even though he was too injury-prone and inconsistent to be eligible, that Brian Giles's brother Marcus was always one of my favorites as a kid and it's good to see that he's turned out better in the long run.
6:31 this man is beloved in Anaheim an absolute legend to Angels fans The 2002 World Series MVP and probably the greatest hit in franchise history with his double in Game 6 of the 2002 World Series to complete the greatest comeback in World Series history being down 0-5 to 6-5 winning the Game 6 forcing Game 7
Funny how you had Giles in this video as I am going thru my card collection and have 3 different mint 9 and one 10 rookie cards of him. He was like a copy of my all time favorite player Howard Johnson and a mention to another player Ron Gant. I really enjoyed this and thx for the memories. Have a great holiday season.
Omar vizquel won 11 gold gloves from 1993-2001, 2005-06, 3x all star with 2800+ hits. Most underrated player I ever saw. Defensive enforcer
Agreed.
Any era before the 90s he's a HOFer. No question in my mind.
thanks for the trip down memory lane, as a kid who religiously watched the braves and baseball in general from 95- 2006 all these guys were something to see (even Brian Giles) on the diamond. Furcal had an amazing arm Andres Galarraga 1st base (Nicknamed Big Cat) had a plastic protector installed in his glove to handle the heat from furcal. Ryan Klesko had always flown under the radar. I dont remember much about Beckett. Glaus rookie card surged when it came out and was a very solid 3rd /1st baseman. I hated when the braves played Ray Durham that guy was a tough out. JD drew had all the clout and talent but he was just always hurt and wasnt willing to play hurt. I think at one point he turned down signing with the phillies and they threw batteries at him on the field when he visited with the cardinals.
Griffey had 99.3% vote for HOF. I just want to know who the .7% were that didnt vote for him
A Yankee fan for sure
And yet Mariano Rivera got 100% of the vote even though he lost game 7 of the 2001 World Series.
@@Rockhound6165 I was about to mention him. Deserves his spot in the hall for sure, but it’s crazy that he’s the first (only?) player to get 100% of the votes. Griffey was a once in a generation player and still didn’t get 3 people (made up number) to vote for him. Insane….
@@CharlesFlo305 Pure speculation.
@@johnharris8191 he spoke bad about Steinbrenner. I’m sure that cost him
If general consensus is that someone doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame then 0 votes is the correct number. You can't say he doesn't belong in the hall of fame but he deserves a few votes. If you wouldn't vote for him why should someone else?
Exactly. Anyone voting for these guys is not doing their job properly.
Mike Cameron's 4 homerun game for Seattle was amazing. Dude went back-to-back with Bret Boone TWICE in the SAME INNING.
Crazy. I miss those years
Boone did roids
@@mm6461 Totally. When I was growing up in the 80s your second baseman was a great infielder and you were lucky if he hit above.270. Then all of a sudden, in the 90s, you had guys like Boone hitting.330 with Popeye forearms, blast 30+ homeruns
And Mike Cameron Now Has An Signature Card In MLB 24 The Show Now That's Ironic In Itself Looks Like Cameron Is Getting His Respect
I feel Carlos Delgado doesn't get enough love. He at least got some votes though.
Yup I think he should definitely be in
That man hated the Yankees
He was very good
@@Phoenix-pm2qr Don Mattingly also
He was pre-steroid era but...Dale Murphy, man. 398 career homers, back-to-back MVPs, one of the best defensive outfielders of his era. But by the time he got on the ballot in '99, 398 homers all of a sudden seemed like chump change. He and Roger Maris are the only non-cheaters with multiple MVP awards not in the Hall.
Murphy was strange in that he had as good a #'s as anybody for about a 5 year stretch but hit a wall around age 28 when he couldn't catch up with high hard fastballs and pitchers just wore him out. There was no reason for it for he was notoriously straight laced and never drank or used drugs and in great shape and was a good model citizen.
The fact that Murphy isn't in the hall is criminal. I remember how great he was and the 1982 Braves do not go to the playoffs without him. Not to mention he's a 2X mvp, 7X all star, 4x silver slugger, and he has 5 gold gloves. I think his last few years sinks him as his numbers really fell off. Maris on the other hand with the exception of 1961 had a pretty pedestrian career.
Murphy not being in is a sin also Al Oliver.
I literally clicked on the video hoping Mike Cameron would be here. Then I screamed ‘that’s my boy!” When you brought him up.
I always liked Cameron, he was a great player for the Mets. That collision he had in the outfield with Beltran was tough to watch, glad they were both able to recover and continue their respective careers.
I absolutely loved Cammy on the Mariners. 💯 not a hof'er tho.
Looking back at the 2001 Diamondbacks team is crazy that they were the underdogs to win it all. That team was stacked by this kind of players. Look into it
Underdogs in the World Series maybe, but they had the second best record in the NL.
Why is it crazy to be underdogs against a team that had had won 3 World Series in a row? Are you serious? Of course they had a great shot throwing out the 2 best pitchers in the game 2 out of every 3 games. That will always give you an awesome shot but they had to beat a dynasty.
Lot of roids on that team
@@calinator51 hence the comment, looking back at it. Everything at the time seems different.
I mean, wasn’t the Yankees viewed as the best team in the MLB in 2001? Make sense they were the underdogs in that WS
i find this premise to be stupid. If youre giving a vote and you have a generational talent along with Troy Glaus, the right thing to do is give Glaus a vote just for fairness? What is that? Baseball is supposed to be a meritocracy. You want to give guys participation awards? A vote. what does that do, nothing.
As a cardinals fan I love the representation of 2 solid but under loved redbirds both those guys were so fundamental to many playoff runs I hope furcal is enjoying his travel days!
Klesko definitely took me by surprise because I just thought he was perfect on the Braves and unable to replicate
Love this video. I remember all these players growing up in the late 90s and early 00s
Jake Peavy won a pitching Triple Crown and he didn’t receive a Hall of Fame vote!
he’s in the video from last year that got mentioned at the beginning
Man, he carried those Padres teams hard. No wonder he mangled his rotator cuff.
He didn't get votes because his peak was so short. He was good from like '04-'08, that's it. You typically need more than like 5 impressive seasons to get real HOF consideration.
Love the use of strokes songs on the background especially considering their first album came out around the peak of the steroid era
What a great player selection. Fun video.
“Wins Above Replacement is a good stat”
Ok i’ve seen enough of this video. Moving on.
Beckett was one of the finest postseason pitchers ever, and that should really count for something.
He gets recognized for his post season performance. What, are you saying he should get in the HOF because of it? Cuz that's ridiculous.
Beckett was one of my favorite players growing up. Dude was lights out in the postseason.
I started watching baseball in 2003 and playing All-Star Baseball and MVP baseball around 2004 and this vid just took me back to my childhood lol. Miss guys like Ryan Klesko and Troy Glaus.
Josh Beckett in playoffs... 93ING, 3.07ERA, excellent4.7K/W... in '03 Shut Out Cubs with Marlins down 3-1 in elimination game, THEN threw 4 ING of relief in game 7, THEN won World Series MVP with Game 6 legendary performance at Yankee Stadium... in Game 6 Beckett opens with 2 inside fastballs to dead fastball hitter Derek Jeter even though Jeter nailed the first pitch just foul down the 3rd base line, i'm not sure how many MLB have the balls to throw a 2nd fastball inside knowing Jeter probably is not expecting it but could hit a HR if things go wrong... in '05 i sat behind home plate and it looked like Beckett's curveball went Shoulders-to-Shins when he wasn't throwing 98mph fastballs at 6 foot 5 inches... fax!!!
Not exactly sure what the voters were looking for but I think Beckett should at least should have gotten a few votes
Awesome video! Definitely had multiple "oh shit I remember that guy, he was pretty good" moments. I'm a Sox fan and remember Josh Beckett's time with the team. I think his attitude in Boston sank him and ruined his relationship with the media. The "chicken and beer" flop down the stretch in 2011 was all anyone was talking about here that year. And he was CONSTANTLY ridiculed by the local media for his perceived lack of work ethic. His matter-of-fact, apathetic attitude he took with them didn't help either. He gained a reputation for being lazy and a bad clubhouse guy here, I wonder if that followed him into retirement and ultimately onto the HOF ballot.
Furcal was one of the first guys to catch my eye as a kid. I was a fan when he was a Brave, happy for him when he won the world series, and even saw him play in Miami.
i remember him hitting a bunt double, never seen that b4
Every single guy on this list was a top prospect at one point and for the most part, underwhelmed exponentially. Thats really why they got no votes. Good, but nowhere near great.
Ron Gant and Doug Drabek were both from my hometown and should have gotten at least a single vote....Gant played for 16 years with Atl and StL, hit over 300 HRs and went to multiple WS. Drabek, a Pirate, won a Cy Young and had a 22 win season. Both had a career WAR above 30.0
Didn't Gant his 4HR in a game too? I remember him with the Phillies but he was a shell of his former self by then.
@@Rockhound6165 he never did but a guy he played with did. Bob Horner, for the Braves.
@@jasonmgomez I know Horner did I thought Gant did as well but it was another Cardinal Mark Whitten. Incidentally, Horner and Gant never played together. Gant's first season with the Braves was 1987 and Horner's last season with them was 1986.
@@Rockhound6165 good catch.
@jasonmgomez Victoria, TX.! I am from Goliad and I got a mini bat signed by Ron Gant at an autograph signing at the mall.
Ryan Klesko was my childhood! I freaking never missed a Braves TBS game from like 1989-2005. Ray Lankford has a sweet swing.
Ray Lankford for some reason is a guy I always remember from that era lol Reggie sanders too,I love this list ,that era was def my favorite era of baseball steroids or not it was pure theater from bonds ,Sosa,Maguire to Yankees vs Red Sox in the playoffs there was always something
They had the sweetest looking rookie cards, Especially Lankford
You've one-upped me (and probably everybody else) highlighting good players from the steroid era with zero HOF votes. But I think there are still several other underrated guys from that period who are pretty much forgotten now who also deserve some mention as well (although they may have received a HOF vote or two). Guys like Bobby Abreu, Travis Hafner, Derek Lee, Carlos Lee, Elis Burks, Javy Lopez, and Brian Jordan (almost near identical to former teammate Ray Lankford who you've listed) just off the top of my head. Anyhow, great list.
The only era of baseball I liked. Mark, Sammy and Griffey Jr in the home run race of 98 was crazy. I think Griffey hit high 30’s, low 40’s in home runs that year which is sad cause he was clean and was clearly the best of the 3.
He hit 56, which is incredible in its own right.
He was in the race for a little bit but then the other two guys blew past him in the last few months.
I mean 56 HRs is killer regardless.
Awesome video! Ray Lankford was the star for the cards in the early 90s when I was growing up!! I always had the number 16 on my jersey!! I was at the game in 1991 when he hit for the cycle!! Plus Brett Hull was the number 16!!
Glad to see guys like Furcal and Cameron mentioned enjoyed watching them play a lot. I’m actually not familiar with Durham or sanders so it’s cool to learn about someone new.
I would last-pick Durham every year for my fantasy baseball second baseman and he’d always do like 90% as well as 2Bs who were like the third or fourth 2B drafted.
@@jamesdrake142 sounds like a steal
Props for The Strokes in the background. Cool video as always too!
SRS on top!
I need someone who is like 35 years old making these videos that actually remembers watching baseball during the steroid era
I feel Juan Pierre was very underated. Juan Pierre had no power, but was super consistent throughout career with his career batting average at .295 and over 600 career stolen bases. Not to mention a decent glove in the outfield.
He had season WAR totals ranging from -0.9 to 3.9, not exactly the definition of consistency. With Pierre you may get slightly below replacement level production or you may get borderline all-star level production, season to season he was a total crap shoot.
@@Trumpisscum-420 Fair to say, however Juan pierre is in select company having over 600 stolen bases and over 2000 hits in his career. I'm not making a case for him in the hall of fame. However I would definitely put him in the hall of very good. If my team needed an outfielder, I would not hesitate to have someone similar to his level of play on the team. IMO he is underated.
Lol. Loads of whitesox in the comments. Paulie, ray Durham, Mike Cameron, Jermaine Dye. All Hall of the very good candidates
That marlins ws winning play call was so bland lol dude sounded like he lost a bet
welcome to 2000s era joe buck
Great video. Well thought out and you showed your work. I’m gonna subscribe
We live in an era where EVERY hitter is hitting 20+ HR's but the HR leaders usually finish with 45ish
30 years ago it was the opposite. If you hit 20+ HR's you were seen as having decent power and the HR kings were hitting 50+
.. That's the same
Great video sir! Yeah Ray Lankford is severely underrated man... St. Louis folks remember him but not many else... It's funny that you had Mike Cameron on the list as he was slept on also but the guy he rated just below (#37) was Willie Wilson who had an even weirder career arc and also slept on.. both player until they were 38 but Willie had 2 more years on Mike but numbers very similar.. just opposite type of players that played the same position.. Willie was super speedy (like 600+ s), more average (won a batting title) and defense..
If Paul Konerko played for LA, NY, Bos, etc...He would be in the Hall for sure
If nothing else, I doubt he would have fallen off the ballot the first time he was eligible to be voted in like he experienced.
But this video is about Zero votes
I've said it before & I'll say it again: as a Braves fan, I'll never stop being angry that we traded Adam Wainwright to the Cardinals in exchange for J.D. Drew for one year
I've been following the Hall of Fame vote for about 25 years now, and once thing I've noticed is that the number of players to go without a vote seem to increase in the past 15 years or so. In the 2000s it seems that a few writers were likely to throw candidates they like a vote. I looked at the vote dating back to 1999, and from 1999-2010 there were never more than four players that failed to get a vote. However, beginning in 2011 there was an eruption of players that failed to get a vote. In fact, there were more players that failed to get a vote in the five years from 2011-2015 than there were from 1999-2010!
1999 - 2010: 34
2011 - 2015: 36
2016 - 2019: 35
The 0-vote problem seem to be dying down as there were only 21 of those in the four ballots since 2020. Nevertheless, there does seem to be a distinct rise in the number of players to receive 0 votes. There are probably a lot of factors behind that. The steroid controversy is probably one issue, as writers have shown they generally don't want to vote for anybody with any connections to steroids, but that probably isn't the only factor or even the biggest one.
The year of the big leap in number of players to get 0 votes is 2011. It just so happens that the year before, there were four players that debuted on the ballot that are now in the Hall of Fame (Roberto Alomar, Barry Larkin, Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff), the same number as those that failed to get a vote (including Ray Lankford). The thing is none of them got in on their first try, which meant they carried over to the 2011 ballot. Then the 2011 ballot added Jeff Bagwell and Larry Walker, both of whom are in, but neither of them got in on their first try. Even though Alomar was elected in 2011 and Larkin in 2012, you had a backlog of Hall worthy players that grew exponentially with the Great Ballotgeddon of 2013, when guys like Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Mike Piazza, Curt Schilling and Sammy Sosa got 5% but none of them were elected. This backlog only continued over the next several years that finally died down after the BBWAA elected an unprecedented 20 players in six years from 2014-2019. Consequently, it probably isn't surprising to see the courtesy vote fall to the wayside.
Throw on top of that the increasing transparency, and you might expect voters to be find it easier to withhold a vote for a guy like Brian Giles than try to explain why they are voting for a wife-beater like him. Anyways, for the tl;dr, there are a lot more players that didn't get a vote if they debuted between 2011-2019 and it was probably because the ballot was full of Hall worthy candidates.
They should remove the baseball from the hall of fame because even though it performed during the dead ball era it has of late been juiced. Zero votes for the baseball. The difference being that the juiced players, especially Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire, saved MLB post strike. Not letting some of these players into the HOF (even Pete Rose) is a joke.
I get where you are going here. Beckett and Zambrano, OK... These are realistic suggestions. Some of these are just average. You can't look at average and say "Oh, maybe HOF?" The real crime of the HOF is paying way too much attention to what chemicals people were ingesting. It is a big media hype. Press any 'fan' on why steroids are bad and the best you will get out of them is "It's cheating." Then ask them "why?" The real answer is "Because media told me it was bad."
It's Troy Glaus isn't it?
He retired at only 33 too.
Thank you for standing up/speaking out against cowards that beat & abuse women. Too much of that goes on, and seems to be ignored. Great list of players, such as LANKFORD, & SANDERS, two of my favorite players, & criminally underrated. Awesome video, my friend, thanks for sharing!!
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love that energy
A note about Klesko, he is on the list that leaked of players that tested positive for steroids in 2003. Javy Lopez was on that list too.
Maaaan listen how do WE know Griffey aint take roids? His HR's jumped exponentially!
Lol. Don't ever speak down on the Kid ever again
Agreed. He fits the criteria. Broken down in his mid 30s after great years. Just because he want big like bonds. Neither was Brian roberts or Alex Sanchez .
@@alwillk how does Griffey fit the criteria of a steroid user because his body broke down in his mid 30s? One of the clear sings that a Guy used peds is that they were still in their primes in their mid 30s . That's the exact opposite from Griffey
Beckett is a perfect fit for a list like this. Gun to my head, not a lot of guys I would rather give the ball to in a do or die game. I'm pretty biased as a Sox fan, but absolutely loved watching him.
Dont forget about Ron Gant
Ron Can’t wasn’t good
Great video about the Hall of Good.
This is the thing. Nowadays you can play with the statistics to make anyone look good. It's the Hall Of FAME. It's more about how famous they were.
I love the fact that MLB The Show used 90% of these guys on Diamond Dynasty, helping to keep their careers from fading away entirely and allowing newer generations learn who they were and what they did in the league.
WAR isn't perfect but usually use 50 as my cutoff for HOF cases. They are a little earlier than this, but just under 50, Brett Butler and just over, Tony Phillips are two guys I always think of who I watched as a kid. I love perusing Notinhalloffame. I liked Dwight Evans too. Kenny Lofton, David Cone, Mattingly doesn't make the cut by WAR because his back went out, but he was one of the best. His defense was amazing, and for his short prime he was an amazing offensive force. I think the fact that the Yankees sucked most of his tenure there and then the steroid guys came along and changed our perception of what a hitter should do.
(Edit, those aren't 0 vote guys, just guys who dropped off the ballot.)
WAR is a horrible stat
Mattingly had a 4-5 year run where he was probably the best hitter in the league.
@@yankees29 was sure fun to watch
Yes it was. I was a huge fan and a card collector
IMO Dewey Evens is HOF worthy.
Been a die hard Phillies fan for 41 yrs now, so I hated the Braves my entire life, and I especially hated the Braves as a teenager in the mid-‘90s. But growing up I was very fortunate to be in a position to meet many players (mostly on the East Coast) thanks to so many being clients of my old man’s company. Ironically, one client that I got to meet was Tom Glavine, and he was generous enough to give us tickets to that nights game. That night I’m not ashamed to say I became a huge Ryan Klesko fan. Klesko went 2-4 with 2 monster HR’s, a walk, and 3 RBI’s. He was an absolute beast! And even tho my two younger brothers still give me crap for liking a Braves player, I feel no guilt, dude was so much fun to watch…
Hall of fame, is not the hall of very good. Do not drop the bar.
Yet they let in Todd Helton and Scott Rolen smh.
Did you seriously just compare steroid body transformations using Bonds and Tiger Woods lol??? I get what ur saying about it not helping you see the ball better, but that extra strength/power/bat speed helped turn warning track power into home runs. Balls coming off the bat harder, etc… I totally agree it helped them recover and stay on the field more, but it massively inflated numbers.
WAR makes you take too big of a logical leap to take seriuosly.
I love all the stroke songs in the back ground 🔥🔥🔥
Nice video! I always maintain that anybody who appears on the HOF ballot at least belongs in the Hall of Very Good automatically. You had to have something to last 10 years!
I watched that becket game and he threw a masterpiece. Walked into yankee stadium like he owned then.
He was a big game pitcher for Boston also.
Today was the *1* year anniversary of when "The Most Underrated Players of MLB's Steroid Era" was uploaded! I recognized some of these players' names but knew nothing about any of these players until now. This was interesting! 🤓
I like this video a lot, as a 80’s baby I remember and loved watching all of these guys play
I don't understand how Josh Beckett isn't in the HOF. The fact that he hasn't received a single vote is mind-blowing. What he did in 2003 was nothing short of remarkable.
138 wins
I feel like you did a very good job unpacking this topic. If there were a catcher in this video, this lineup of guys would have made a dominant team! Bits of why these folks are underrated and unloved: Giles... you mentioned it, an awful human putting up good numbers on awful teams. Zambrano ... would probably be a Hall of Famer if he'd wanted to keep caring about baseball, but he didn't. Lankford ... the only other solid bat in that Cards lineup other than Big Mac and passaround Reggie when he was there.
And the toughest end of the stick on this list has to be Mike Cameron ... The dude gets traded for Konerko, then Junior, then has his biggest breakout season in '01 when Ichiro showed up and broke baseball. He still put up good offensive numbers in spite of playing home games in Cinergy, Safeco, Shea, and Petco, finally putting up home run numbers compatible with his actual power when he played at Miller Park towards the tail end of his career ... and gosh, he just looked like he was having fun playing baseball and that was worth idolizing.
p.s.: If I never have to watch Ryan Klesko's stupid batflip or godawful defense ever again, I'll be happy.
Tino martinez, bernie williams, paul O' neil, jorge posada..basically the entire middle of the yankee lineup in the late 90's.
Great video! Couple other players that came to mind:
Michael Young
Garrett Anderson
Ben Sheets
Bobby Abreu
Mike Sweeney
Derrick Lee
I'm going to say this before the video starts
FRED MCGRIFF - that man was clean & hit a HR in EVERY BALL PARK!! (AL & NL). Tied with Lou Gehrig just shy of 500 bombs. The fact he isn't in the HoF is a crime.
As to other guys I'd say Kevin Brown comes to mind. Super dominant but his injuries dragged his numbers down. Still - in todays advanced metrics war, but would have been valued more.
Jose Rijo is another what if... made a nice comeback later on but didn't have the length of career.
Josh Beckett.
Johan Santana lead the decade in strikeouts but played mostly out of the era. His earlier seasons kind of crossed with it.
AJ Burnett. A poor mans Randy Johnson.
Jeff Kent should be in the HoF. Best offensive 2B ever, people forget his Mets years too.
Kevin Mitchell - played every position well & was a bonafide stud.
Andy Van Slyke - deserved better than he got.
Mo Vaughn - such power
Juan Gonzalez - Juan Gone was a freak.
Ron Gant - 5 tool player for the Reds
Bret Saberhagen - could win every other year.
David Cone
Dwight Gooden (Both pretty much the same careers for different reasons)
Greg Vaughn - see Mo Vaughn but worse
Tim Salmon - this dude could RAKE
Glenn Anderson - another Angel like Tim - that was MR CONSISTENT. .285 25 HR 120 RBIs... but didn't produce in the WAR/JAWS
Juan Guzman - there was a time this guy was ace material
Vince Coleman - the OTHER fastest guy in the league next to Ricky Henderson
Chris Sabo - could hit .350 with 15 HRs...
Kent Hrbek - Minnesota's power guy
Darren Daulton - Phillies power guy
Jon Kruk - a much better hitter than anyone gives him credit for.
Bob Wickman - great closer - actually had a bobblehead night for him in Cleveland the day AFTER they traded for him
Joe Franco - Mets fan know... best closer they ever had
Rod Beck - San Diego remembers those sprints to the mound.
Marquis Grissom - clutch CF who OWNED the World Series.
(Also now that I've seen the video Furcal... yes nice pick) I could have gone on forever with this list but had to stop somewhere. Shame I left him off. I'm sure I'll see others. YESSSS Ray Durham. Absolutely one of those 5 tool players who it actually where all 5 of those tools are sorta 4 1/2 tools. Reggie Sanders is also my Ron Gant clone. Love it.
Great stuff so many good ones with solid numbers. Players like Rodríguez, Ramírez just to mention a few should never be on a list of so many good players. Andrew Jones if I recall was also a user.
Andrew Jones wasn't a steroid guy and he was never even rumored to be .
Great video as always
I love Reggie Sanders.
Bunch of these guys are the best 2nd best guy on the best team types but still elite like Scottie Pippen.
Sometimes, though, i need someone like you remind me of a player for me to remember how much i liked their game.
Great list. Langford was solid. He probably didn’t get votes because he was verbally quiet. He never mouthed off. He was never the go to interview. As for JD Drew, he was a total head case. He was all about JD as well. That’s why St Louis traded him. He never became the IT player for Atlanta or Boston either despite the obvious talent.
As a Phillies fan I have two players I’m going to mention, one of which I’m not saying he’s Hall of Fame worthy (cause he’s definitely not), BUT Mike Lieberthal was a very good defensive catcher who could hit for power at times, and he rarely struck-out. Lieberthal had his injury issues but he was basically the main draw on some bad Phillies teams. The other player, Bobby Abreu, has been getting some votes the last couple of years but not nearly what he deserves. A career .291 hitter in his 18 seasons, Abreu was a 2 time all-star, a gold-clover, a silver slugger, a hr derby champ, and a 7 time top-25 mvp finalist. He also rarely missed a game, twice playing all 162 games in a season, once leading the league with 50 doubles, and another time leading the league with 11 triples. 8 times he had over 100 plus RBI’s in a season, 4 of those seasons Abreu did it on some really bad Phillies teams. Bobby Abreu did this during the steroid era, without the help, and absolutely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame…
Really great video. Love it
Love the strokes in the background
The problem with being too lenient on steroid players is we have no idea how many prospects/players missed out on opportunities because they were at a disadvantage
Good point
Perhaps because they weren’t good enough, even with PEDs you still have to be good to make it in the big leagues.
Wow, this video brings back memories!
Dude, I remember Darren Daulton tried to block the plate once against Ray Lankford.. omg total destruction!! Search it, you won`t be disappointed...
Another crazy thing about Carlos Zambrano is that he prefers football (or Soccer in the US), he even had some great anecdotes with Real Madrid players.
While she didn't know him super well, my mom was classmates with Mike Cameron at LaGrange HS (LaGrange,GA). The only thing that subdued just how great of a player he was then was playing baseball at a school with a historically great football program. They won state and then a national title in 1991.
In the early 2000's I saw Mike Cameron pre-game in Cincinnati (he was with the Mariners). I told my wife, now there's a man amongst men. Then Reuben Sierra walked out. Made him look like a toothpick. I don't think either should be in the hall though. Just my opinion.
😂😂totally made up story
Ray Lankford was my 2nd favorite player growing up (after Ozzie Smith) as a 90s Cardinal fan. Loved watching him play.