This is no joke! I’m all for letting people be aware of this. Someone very close to me had concussions and died of suicide. He played lacrosse since middle school and passed his sophomore year 4 weeks after a concussion. If only we knew about this maybe we could have helped him. Our lives are forever changed. Hopefully this helps someone anyone because it’s REAL and I wish I wasn’t writing this. But I am so no one has to go thru the heart break or suffering that CTE can cause not to just the athlete but everyone in their life.
I played highschool football, and the team, that I played on, was always the best in the tri-county area. We did insane drills, where players got rocked hard every week. There is NO WAY my teammates don't have CTE. Many times, guys were puking and could barely walk straight, and the coaches always said, "Walk it off." Anything to beat the rival schools. GO PANTHERS!!!
Of the 35ish people in my high school football/soccer team: 7 became straight-up drug addicts, mostly heroin, some are homeless, 3 of them died of drug overdose and/or alcohol poisoning 2 are jailbirds (low-level assault, theft, etc.), 1 is always homeless 2 guys committed suicide (of which one disfigured his pregnant fiancee before he did it) 2 are in mental institutions getting the help they need 1 guy is on bail for some rape/pedophilia-related stuff 1 guy changed his name, got weird plastic surgery, and became a crappy conceptual artist 1 guy joined ISIS, he's probably dead 1 guy became a highly successful attorney (yay!) 1 guy became a local Craigslist scammer 1 guy steals money from his mom to gamble 1 guy built his own million-dollar education company and is my best friend (yay!) 1 guy thinks he's a prophet of God, he's also kinda homeless And the rest are either leading mundane lives or I can't find them. Many go to therapists, get medicated, etc. But, hey, we got 3rd in divisionals (for soccer, we stunk at football), so definitely worth it! I'm just glad I was only the guy who controlled the scoreboard computer.
True but how often will an MMA fighter get a concussion? Definitely not in training unless an accident and actually rarely in fights, whereas football players get head trauma once or twice a week
@@anthonyf3960 Are you serious? You obviously never went to a gym if you think they don't get hit in the head when they train. Sparring = getting hit in the head. Getting hit in the head = brain damage. It's literally that simple.
Hurling would be less violent. The padding in lacrosse let’s you keep throwing head-to-head hits, because the helmet prevents any sort of cuts/bruising on the person initiating the hit. You would be more likely to leave a hurling match, after a bad hit, than a lacrosse game. Even with the hit being slightly muted by the padding, you are around for longer, so you take more serious hits overall. My buddies son played lacrosse for 1 year. At one point, 16 out of the ~25, 12-14yr olds players, were out with concussions. Lacrosse is a crazy violent sport, and the padding just makes it appear civilized.
In hurling you have to be going for the ball. It's not non-contact, but you can't take out the guy to get the sliotar (ball). You don't swing the hurl at the other guy. The helmet hasn't been turned into an offensive weapon like in American Football. Also the player tackling you is usually running in the same direction as you as it's very hard to take a tennis ball size target from someone you're running directly at.
Better than sticking to the same opinion just to save face even though new information exists 😊 Imagine being in a world where changing your opinion is a bad thing. Just shut up lol.
I used to play full contact with no pads when I was a kid. I was playing with kids much older than me too. I remember a time in my life when I was a kid when I suffered from migraines and stuff too and I wonder if that was why. The worst part of it is that I didn't even like to play, but that's what all the other kids did so I played.
As a sport and an industry soccer is in denial about the risks of head trauma. ALS has been shown to be massively more common in soccer players in Italy, but there's never been a cohort study done on this in the UK. Dementia is also far more common in soccer players but again there's a shocking lack of research. In truth, the sport doesn't want to know. It's probably worried about the inevitable tsunami of lawsuits.
I feel bad for players like Austin Collie. His hit against the Eagles was the only time I actually thought someone died on the field. He had 4 severe concussions in 2 years and was told the next time he gets one it will kill him.
This is why baseball is the way to go. You have 40 year olds with multimillion dollar contracts that will actually be able to enjoy their retirement because they don’t have brain damage
@@oven88 I´ve seen clips where a guy blows his pitching arm, like really fucks it up. Torn muscles, tendons ripping off the bone, ligaments torn, snapping a slice off the tip of your elbow type of stuff. That shit has got to be painful as hell because you don´t have the same type adrenaline and mindset in a baseball match that you do in football or combat sports, so it´s gotta be even worse. I mean like in a boxing match you know you´re gonna get hurt coz you´re about to fight and your body will try to minimize that, but snapping all of the shit in your arm at once when you think you´re just gonna throw a good pitch? Damn. That experience+the recovery has got to be a pain in the ass(or arm in this case) but I would take that any fuckin day over getting a shin in the head from a professional, that shit can change you completely, forever.
Too bad it's literally the most boring sport and it's completly unwatchable unless you're passed out drunk and don't give a shit about what's happening. Even god damn soccer is less boring to watch with those 0-0 games...
I remember my dad asked me what my dream job was when i was like 9 or 10, and i replied "2nd string right fielder for the red sox". He was so surprised and asked why so i said "I don't have to do much and I get paid a lot." I still stick by that.
Tiramisu #1P4PGOAT Indeed, but that's not what we were talking about. Just about head injuries and career longevity. How can yanks find american football fun when theres like 13 seconds of actual playing every few minutes, and then they say soccer is boring because it's hard to score goals? I've never understood that.
I think I'm going to retire from Muay Thai fighting and sparring. I've only trained for the last 3 years but my memory and moods have begun to change. I've had 2 panic attacks in the last year and I've never even remotely showed symptoms before I started training. I originally thought it was from my excessive drinking binges but now I feel this is something that I also have to take seriously
Dude im in the exact same boat. Is this not extremely hard for you to do? Im reallt struggling with making this decision. Ive invested so much time into it
@@1594simonsays It's a very hard decision to make. I haven't trained since November and since then I've made a lot of changes in my life to stop what was happening. I feel much better now, I don't think I have CTE but something wasn't right. It's tough, I was usually sparring 3-4 times a week. There is no exercise like it and I was developing, it's a way of life. I realised something was wrong when my short term memory started to go, I used to have really irrational thoughts and then I would have spells of feeling depressed/ anxious. Eventually I started having panic attacks. I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy and my advice to you is if you have any doubts, get out. You don't want to experience these symptoms, to know that they could get worse in time and that they are self inflicted.
@@ingrogies1 i agree man. Like you i havent trained for about 6 months now. Same stuff panic attacks, depressive moods, low energy etc. I have had some head injuries that i know of (car accident with subdural hematoma, *blood re-obsorbed back into brain* thank god, and a couple of known concussions) what gets me indecisive about continuing on is the fact that so many thai's have 200+ fights and i wonder if i have depression and anxiety from early trauma from bullying and other events not just the head injury stuff ive been tryinf to pray and have been contemplating this for months now. Truly stressful stuff ... Thats my story to a degree this is one of the toughest decisions I've honestly had to make man because i put my eggs in one basket. Im glad everything is working out on your end...oss
@@1594simonsays Well actually I went up training tonight but I'm only hitting pads from now on. No more sparring. Man, it sounds like you are in a bad place. If you go back training, even if you don't have an injury from sparring you don't need the hassle of having that worry in your head. Maybe take up Ju Jitsu? That has a similar team culture. To be honest I seeked professional help. My issues boiled down to either my excessive drinking (which I also stopped) and head injuries from training.
@@ingrogies1 yeah man ive got some sorting out to do. Im glad to hear you back in the gym though. Im a blue belt in bjj so i might just go that route fulltime but we both know that comes with its fair share of injuries aswell in the long run. But hey thats life. All the best to you man
So maybe this is the reason human history is so violent. They have found bog bodies hundreds/and thousands of years old with healed skull fratures. Massive damage.
Played running back from elementary school through high school. By my senior year even the smallest hits to the head would cause me to get light headed and “see stars”
Thank you for talking about this. I've set my share of water impulse charges to open a door, and been up close and personal with IEDs. Paul Stamets research into Lion's Mane has been helpful.
It’s amazing how many injuries that seemed minor at the time (like a concussion or knee injury) slowly exacerbate over time and really affect you at an age where you should still be healthy to the point where you stop being able to do stuff
My husband plays rugby league here in New Zealand and the big hits are what people love to see but I always have in the back of my mind about cte hes been playing for years hes had loads of hard head knocks he had a xray once and part of his neck and spine have fused together from the knocks and his head going back
I was a 2nd string high school athlete on a good football team. I would play in garbage time when we were so for ahead i couldn't screw it up too bad. I distinctly remember getting knocked the hell out on a kickoff. I remember being on the sideline asking what the hell just happened.
“This hits you don’t see coming” when I was 7th grade I was playing contact football pads and all. As the ref blew the whistle ending the play, somebody charged me head down from behind hitting me in the back of the head with his head. I have never been so mad. No penalty, no nothing
shit man i played soccer my whole life, played collegiately for 4 years and semi pro for a couple years. I've had more than ten concussions and they definitely have effected me. If soccer can do it i'd hate to think about the damage mma football and lacrosse guys go through
i used to play lacrosse and most of the people weighed 50 pounds more than me. nearly every time i got bodychecked i would fly 6-8 feet back. lacrosse armor works very well to keep you from getting injured, but holy hell is it dangerous if you are strawweight and nearly everyone else is welterweight.
Top 10 active fighters to get CTE: 1. Alistair Overeem 3. Eddie Alvarez 3. Justin Gaetje 4. Diago Sanchez 5. Chuck Liddell 6. Wanderlei Silva 7. Robbie Lawler 8. Mark Hunt 9. Chris Leben 10. Michael Bisping
Glad I only played full pads 8th and 11th grade. Hard though, because I was obsessed for the longest time with FB more than anyone. Got bell rung once. Til end of junior year, if I ever had any contact to helmet at all, it got sore again in the same spot, middle on top of brain. Through winter and spring, and summer, I noticed it healing for good, not sore anymore. Decided not to play as a senior. Got neck and spine problems anyway from work, bulging discs, occipital neuralgia. Glad I didn't play anymore.
i’ve had 5 concussions from motocross and football combined. Don’t regret a thing, most incredible experiences of my life and so many life lessons learned that i don’t believe you can learn anywhere else. Many things come with sacrifice. If it means my memory becomes shotty and other side effects show up in later in life so be it.
When i was in high school during football practice I got hit by to senior lineman so hard that I could not get up and could not feel my legs for about 5 minutes.
I was boxing this one dude on his 30s...got caught as I was tossing a hook....got a crazy head rush, felt dizzy, my legs felt like I was drunk, saw stars and heard ringing for the rest of the rd...shits a crazy feeling
I joined my local lacrosse team and just played my 1st game, I heard how rough it was so I was ready. When it started I took out the 3 closest people to me and everything went quiet, then a shuttlecock landed next to my foot.
Makes sense when you think about it, considering lacrosse has always been a less competitive sport. Nothing against it but if you take the best athletes from the best college lacrosse program and compare them to bama/Clemson football players it'll be night and day
@@bennyhath1789 football players have to be more athletic than their opponent to win while some lacrosse players can be slower and get good production based off iq and experience.
As a D1 FBS defensive lineman that started playing my freshmen year in high school, you were spot on about the college aspect being more physical. You practice every day full speed and work too hard to let your opponent out physical you. You don't even think about those head collisions that occur play after play in the moment. I know I have CTE lol but I realize how much this sport has helped me and can continue to help me that I just don't care
@@fireforce9706 not necessarily. We dont understand cte much. Can be caused by seeing stars and not necessarily concussions. Some guys brains end up being fucked and others are fine.
Former female boxer here, diagnosed with Traumatic Brain Injury. Now in my 50's, life is not good. Thank you Jesus that I have a great pension, because My symptoms are so severe I am no longer able to work.
Box lacrosse is more violent, field lacrosse which is more streamline has probably one to two large hits per game. There is a way higher chance of getting concussions in football
I had a completely different picture of lacrosse in my head. Didn't think at all that it could be a contact sport. I'd thought it was more like floorball.
I think sadly the protection used in American Football actually facilitates this long term brain damage. The sparse rules on tackling rarely change but the padding and protection does - the dangerous nature of the tackles themselves do not change. Compare this to rugby union, legal tackling is constantly changing, the hits are just as big as American football, but the risk of brain damage is far lower.
He's actually pretty sure he already has it. He's talked in depth about how he would go home and couldn't sleep due to how bad his headaches were from getting head kicks.
@@stepheneldridge3637 Is that really true? I know he said he stopped fighting when he was like 20 so it wasn’t a long stretch of time. Then again that was his life so i’m sure he took enough blows to the head and possibly had at least one concussion.
Played football from 4 grade through high school. Decided not to try out for the community college team. Said I’m done having headaches after like every practice
Field lacrosse is different, you can still hit other players but to a lesser degree, box lacrosse is a lot more contact plus it’s a smaller area you have to play, but even then it’s mostly hard cross checks and slashes, youll still definitely see people get laid out but because that’s not the main objective of the game
Joe just ruined that poor kid's life. He was gonna be a lacrosse player in high school, popular, high self-esteem, get into a good school and join a frat or maybe the club lacrosse team, use his connections to get some type of lucrative finance or business job and have a happy life. Instead he'll try basketball, never see a lick of playing time over Hakeem or Jamal, quit, have low self-esteem, develop a drug problem in college and drop out, and still be waiting tables at 30. Also I'm only projecting a little bit
I was a bit shocked when Bazooka Joe Valtelieni didnt or wasnt allowed to spar for a while after his title fight (he explains it better in his jre ep i reccomend)
i feel like CTE is mainly the lack of oxygen in the brain. In this case the brain isʻnt functioning well. Try holding your breath while putting together a dresser. The longer you hold your breath the more shifty your thoughts gets and you cant think straight. That is EXACTLY💯 how CTE feels like, but it’s all day every day. I believe i have significant CTE i played football 3 yrs in high school 3 yrs in college as a Linebacker and i was the starter all those years. My idols were zach thomas and bill romonowski. As you know thomas and romo tackles a lot with their helmets. Their style embedded in my game and that’s how i played. Iʻve been laying dudes out through my playing days and a good percentage of that were helmet to helmet hits. I just learned about CTE when i first experience the symptoms and that was after my first college football season. Out of nowhere i felt like i didnt wana be in school, didnt wana be near my friends, felt guilty but didnt know why. I suffered from a kazillion of migranes it felt like through out all these years. I didnt understand what i was going through until i watched the will smith concussion movie in my dorm room. Then i thought to myself maybe i have CTE. I researched more about CTE and i found out that everything iʻm going through are CTE symptoms. Since then ive been thinking A LOT how to deal with it. Iʻve never went to the doctors, i feel like im ashamed of it. Ive always tried to handle it myself and so far i believe it has gotten better. And it has been 7 years since i felt strong sypmtoms of CTE. I started my recovery by changing my diet even though still today i eat cheeseburgers and hot dogs. But i cut down my eating 50% and and more vegetables and fruits to my diet. A TON of water. Minimize SUGAR. Im not a super vegan hero but thatʻs kind of where im heading. I cut 40lbs after i thought i was going to lose it all. Im not doing this just to impress others about my diet and body but im doing it because my life literally depends on it. Again so far my memory improved but still sucks, thinking kind of stabling, i make my loved ones laugh again now, a lil bit. Overall im glad i can find a little happiness. Thatʻs all i asked for is a sign a little light and iʻll gravitate towards it. The main thing is oxygen, i can breathe so much better now after i change my diet and lose some weight. Most of the foods we eat are the PROBLEM. This is the reason why iʻm searching for the best diet for my body so it can produce more oxygen cleanly and narurally. Please if you read this understand that people are going through things dont judge them by their actions but help find light to the root of their problems. If you have CTE know that youʻre not alone. DO NOT GIVE UP to the mediaʻs portrat of CTE believe that you can erase it and get back HOME. Your diet, wellness, your good habbits, your happiness i believe theyʻre the keys to help with CTE. May the power of the creator be with you the courageous one. Fight on.
I was dropped on my head when i was 4 months old. I dont know if i have CTE but my memory is weak. I have depression. I get mood swings all the time. I i have migran also
Whenever I use to hear people say “I’d never let my child play football, it’s dangerous” I’d always think to myself “Jesus Christ, get a fucking grip” but not anymore after all this stuff we now know about concussions and CTE
Lacrosse and football are not comparable in terms of head trauma. Joe's watching a highlight tape of lacrosse hits misrepresenting the game. A normal game has one or two big hits at most, it's not like the repetitiveness of football, unless you're watching a compilation tape. They've also made the rules restrictive in terms of body checking. NCAA lacrosse in 2019 will probably have fewer concussions than soccer
Idk man I got 12 thru lax, playing over like 7 years. Your right it's not comparable. But it takes one bad one and any knock on the head could potentially give you another one
Gay ass field lacrosse doesn't have much contact but arena lacrosse(the only lacrosse people actually watch) has ALOT of hits and they even fight like in hockey but they're not on skates. There's just as much CTE in arena lacrosse.
Youth tackle football scares the shit out of me bc I really do love the game - everyone in my family does. I live in Longview, Texas. Longview HS is ranked 1st in Texas 6A and eleventh in the nation right now. They’ve gone to the playoffs every year since 2003. There are 85,000 ppl, a 6A and 5A high school, Longview HS alone has produced 26 NFL players. They currently have 5. Like, nationwide, 1 in 20,000 people will make it to the NFL. 1 in 3000 from here go on to the NFL. So, I can say “I’m not going to let my son play until middle school” all day, but... he’s only 18 months old now. It’s going to be a little harder to argue that point when he’s 7 and he is begging to play bc every other kid he knows is out there running the fucking Oklahoma drill or the gauntlet... bc they do that shit. It’s pretty stupid. I don’t know why kids don’t play flag and then 7 on 7 instead of tackle. Seems like learning a pass heavy fast offense at a young age would be more beneficial. It’s just crazy here though. Patrick Mahomes Jr is from this area. He started working with these conditioning coaches when he was 11 I think. Pretty much all the college players going into the pros get ready for the combine with the same coaches, but they have programs starting for 5 year olds - strength and conditioning for 5 year olds, and it’s like.. like, the competition to get your kids into the best private schools in LA or NYC... we’re getting our 5 year olds ready for the NFL combine. LOL...
I play lacrosse and I can confirm people get rocked, all the time. Also you're not wearing pads like in football, and the pads you do have are small and thin.
Joe if you want to blow the doors off of an issue that's kind of being sat on you need to look into amount of paratroopers, thousands of paratroopers we're going with CTE undiagnosed. Will not connect Anythink CTE related unless there is a roadside bomb attached to it. These men women braids look as you said like walnuts. My doctor for instance told me I've had over 30 concussions from just four years. Something to think about. If you are reading this get your head checked. It could be the reason why you've been fighting depression lack of focus many many many other issues
Last year i passed out and gave myself a concussion smacking my head on a metal chair. Got in a car accident a couple weeks later. Not bad but another gnarly concussion. I also train so i was getting hit and choked real good nothing too bad tho. Combine all that i could tell very much my functioning was waay down. And i smoke a lot of weed so that helps and makes it worse at the same time lolol thats my story folks
I play both lacrosse and football and football is way way worse I’ve had some rly bad hits in football and have struggled to walk before after a hit but I’ve never had anything close to that in lacrosse and bad head injuries aren’t nearly as common in lacrosse as football
Joe "CTE is the devil but mma should allow headbutts tho" Rogan
Mauro Benedito omg LoL
Lol omg
Dam, he did. But that's not the point he was meaning. This topic is different my boy.
I mean, ufc fighters are fucked anyway so it ain't like headbutts change that
R Nasty some are fucked, not all
This is no joke! I’m all for letting people be aware of this. Someone very close to me had concussions and died of suicide. He played lacrosse since middle school and passed his sophomore year 4 weeks after a concussion. If only we knew about this maybe we could have helped him. Our lives are forever changed. Hopefully this helps someone anyone because it’s REAL and I wish I wasn’t writing this. But I am so no one has to go thru the heart break or suffering that CTE can cause not to just the athlete but everyone in their life.
CTE - When you get cracked at the 50 and wake up workin' at Denny's.
LOL
fuck dennys bro - theo von
*Wake up with apple sauce and coloring books
"Brendan Schaub's brain looks like a walnut"
-Joe Rogan
If he doesn't have cte, its bc of joe
That explains it.
sofa king cool he definitely has CTE. It will really start showing itself in 15-20 years
Jo Po that was before he got into contact sports
I feel bad for that guy. He was all happy for his kid and they just shat on him. Oh well though they were telling him to inform him not to be pricks
Lmfaoo wtf does he have to say about mma??? What if his kid does mma, Joe would be like "oh hell yeah can't wait to see him in da octagon" Lol
oscar soto lol it’s true it’s like joe doesn’t think mma is dangerous when look at chuck liddel. That boy has CTE
@@modaflockur Chuck Liddel is a straight up vegetable these days
He doesn't want to upset big daddy Dana
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I played highschool football, and the team, that I played on, was always the best in the tri-county area. We did insane drills, where players got rocked hard every week. There is NO WAY my teammates don't have CTE. Many times, guys were puking and could barely walk straight, and the coaches always said, "Walk it off." Anything to beat the rival schools. GO PANTHERS!!!
Wow
thats literal brain damage. wow
Damn, that's insane 🤮😳😳
bhs panthers?
I'm suffering bro
This is why a lot of Jocks from Highscool end up being losers. Al Bundy style due to head trauma and being unstable
Very interesting theory.
Of the 35ish people in my high school football/soccer team:
7 became straight-up drug addicts, mostly heroin, some are homeless, 3 of them died of drug overdose and/or alcohol poisoning
2 are jailbirds (low-level assault, theft, etc.), 1 is always homeless
2 guys committed suicide (of which one disfigured his pregnant fiancee before he did it)
2 are in mental institutions getting the help they need
1 guy is on bail for some rape/pedophilia-related stuff
1 guy changed his name, got weird plastic surgery, and became a crappy conceptual artist
1 guy joined ISIS, he's probably dead
1 guy became a highly successful attorney (yay!)
1 guy became a local Craigslist scammer
1 guy steals money from his mom to gamble
1 guy built his own million-dollar education company and is my best friend (yay!)
1 guy thinks he's a prophet of God, he's also kinda homeless
And the rest are either leading mundane lives or I can't find them. Many go to therapists, get medicated, etc.
But, hey, we got 3rd in divisionals (for soccer, we stunk at football), so definitely worth it! I'm just glad I was only the guy who controlled the scoreboard computer.
If you are listening and play high impact sports. Protect your head, make sure you rest after a head knock. Trust me, down the line the problems suck.
Joe Rogan " Brendan Schuabs brain is a walnut"
Tom Segura " yeah and if you talk to him, you know "
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I got lacrosse from head trauma CTE
MrJDP327 aww
MrJDP327 naw you’re fine
So simple yet so effective 😂
Joe "I criticize football, but promote a sport where the objective is kicking and punching to the face" Rogan
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The thing is football tries to masquerade itself through the helmets and padding.
I never got blindsided by a guy who has 100 pounds on me when I did MMA and boxing...
True but how often will an MMA fighter get a concussion? Definitely not in training unless an accident and actually rarely in fights, whereas football players get head trauma once or twice a week
And what impacts are harder? Entire body weight into a heavy helmet or fists and feet?
@@anthonyf3960 Are you serious? You obviously never went to a gym if you think they don't get hit in the head when they train. Sparring = getting hit in the head. Getting hit in the head = brain damage. It's literally that simple.
Joe is amazed at lacrosse.. imagine if he saw hurling!
YurManDavid there’s a video of him watching it
Hurling would be less violent. The padding in lacrosse let’s you keep throwing head-to-head hits, because the helmet prevents any sort of cuts/bruising on the person initiating the hit.
You would be more likely to leave a hurling match, after a bad hit, than a lacrosse game. Even with the hit being slightly muted by the padding, you are around for longer, so you take more serious hits overall.
My buddies son played lacrosse for 1 year. At one point, 16 out of the ~25, 12-14yr olds players, were out with concussions. Lacrosse is a crazy violent sport, and the padding just makes it appear civilized.
I play hurling and there's barely any concussions in it
Joe Murray you don’t play it right that’s the only problem. Need at least 3 brawls per half.
In hurling you have to be going for the ball. It's not non-contact, but you can't take out the guy to get the sliotar (ball). You don't swing the hurl at the other guy. The helmet hasn't been turned into an offensive weapon like in American Football. Also the player tackling you is usually running in the same direction as you as it's very hard to take a tennis ball size target from someone you're running directly at.
Joe “I change opinions every week” Rogan
Better than sticking to the same opinion just to save face even though new information exists 😊 Imagine being in a world where changing your opinion is a bad thing. Just shut up lol.
I used to play full contact with no pads when I was a kid. I was playing with kids much older than me too. I remember a time in my life when I was a kid when I suffered from migraines and stuff too and I wonder if that was why. The worst part of it is that I didn't even like to play, but that's what all the other kids did so I played.
Tennis athletic sport no concussions
Tennis is tremendous for the body
You wear out your knees tho
@@johnsoapmactavish9921 if u retire early ur good n i guess everything has risks
Joe- the only NFL player i know is Hershel Walker -Rogan
Lmao right
As a sport and an industry soccer is in denial about the risks of head trauma. ALS has been shown to be massively more common in soccer players in Italy, but there's never been a cohort study done on this in the UK. Dementia is also far more common in soccer players but again there's a shocking lack of research.
In truth, the sport doesn't want to know. It's probably worried about the inevitable tsunami of lawsuits.
Dementia is far more common in soccer players than what? Tell me one famous soccer player with punch drunk sydrome
@@Ricardo-mr3bg Look up Jeff Astle. He’s not the only one by a long shot.
I feel bad for players like Austin Collie. His hit against the Eagles was the only time I actually thought someone died on the field. He had 4 severe concussions in 2 years and was told the next time he gets one it will kill him.
CTE is the clique that I claim
Loll jeezy was the fucking man
This is why baseball is the way to go. You have 40 year olds with multimillion dollar contracts that will actually be able to enjoy their retirement because they don’t have brain damage
Unless you get a baseball to the cranium
@@oven88 I´ve seen clips where a guy blows his pitching arm, like really fucks it up. Torn muscles, tendons ripping off the bone, ligaments torn, snapping a slice off the tip of your elbow type of stuff. That shit has got to be painful as hell because you don´t have the same type adrenaline and mindset in a baseball match that you do in football or combat sports, so it´s gotta be even worse. I mean like in a boxing match you know you´re gonna get hurt coz you´re about to fight and your body will try to minimize that, but snapping all of the shit in your arm at once when you think you´re just gonna throw a good pitch? Damn. That experience+the recovery has got to be a pain in the ass(or arm in this case) but I would take that any fuckin day over getting a shin in the head from a professional, that shit can change you completely, forever.
Too bad it's literally the most boring sport and it's completly unwatchable unless you're passed out drunk and don't give a shit about what's happening. Even god damn soccer is less boring to watch with those 0-0 games...
I remember my dad asked me what my dream job was when i was like 9 or 10, and i replied "2nd string right fielder for the red sox". He was so surprised and asked why so i said "I don't have to do much and I get paid a lot." I still stick by that.
Tiramisu #1P4PGOAT Indeed, but that's not what we were talking about. Just about head injuries and career longevity. How can yanks find american football fun when theres like 13 seconds of actual playing every few minutes, and then they say soccer is boring because it's hard to score goals? I've never understood that.
I think I'm going to retire from Muay Thai fighting and sparring. I've only trained for the last 3 years but my memory and moods have begun to change. I've had 2 panic attacks in the last year and I've never even remotely showed symptoms before I started training. I originally thought it was from my excessive drinking binges but now I feel this is something that I also have to take seriously
Dude im in the exact same boat. Is this not extremely hard for you to do? Im reallt struggling with making this decision. Ive invested so much time into it
@@1594simonsays It's a very hard decision to make. I haven't trained since November and since then I've made a lot of changes in my life to stop what was happening. I feel much better now, I don't think I have CTE but something wasn't right. It's tough, I was usually sparring 3-4 times a week. There is no exercise like it and I was developing, it's a way of life. I realised something was wrong when my short term memory started to go, I used to have really irrational thoughts and then I would have spells of feeling depressed/ anxious. Eventually I started having panic attacks. I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy and my advice to you is if you have any doubts, get out. You don't want to experience these symptoms, to know that they could get worse in time and that they are self inflicted.
@@ingrogies1 i agree man. Like you i havent trained for about 6 months now. Same stuff panic attacks, depressive moods, low energy etc. I have had some head injuries that i know of (car accident with subdural hematoma, *blood re-obsorbed back into brain* thank god, and a couple of known concussions) what gets me indecisive about continuing on is the fact that so many thai's have 200+ fights and i wonder if i have depression and anxiety from early trauma from bullying and other events not just the head injury stuff ive been tryinf to pray and have been contemplating this for months now. Truly stressful stuff ... Thats my story to a degree this is one of the toughest decisions I've honestly had to make man because i put my eggs in one basket. Im glad everything is working out on your end...oss
@@1594simonsays Well actually I went up training tonight but I'm only hitting pads from now on. No more sparring. Man, it sounds like you are in a bad place. If you go back training, even if you don't have an injury from sparring you don't need the hassle of having that worry in your head. Maybe take up Ju Jitsu? That has a similar team culture. To be honest I seeked professional help. My issues boiled down to either my excessive drinking (which I also stopped) and head injuries from training.
@@ingrogies1 yeah man ive got some sorting out to do. Im glad to hear you back in the gym though. Im a blue belt in bjj so i might just go that route fulltime but we both know that comes with its fair share of injuries aswell in the long run. But hey thats life. All the best to you man
So maybe this is the reason human history is so violent. They have found bog bodies hundreds/and thousands of years old with healed skull fratures. Massive damage.
The guy who makes a living commentating people knocking each other out, is talking about high school sports being dangerous?
I think the perception of it is different.
Like with football you are taking a risk but with boxing and MMA you know you are getting it
Okay?
Played running back from elementary school through high school. By my senior year even the smallest hits to the head would cause me to get light headed and “see stars”
Damn man, i feel the same except from boxing and not taking enough time to heal. How are you holding up now a days? Any improvements?
Joe “there’s some brain damage” Rogan
Thank you for talking about this. I've set my share of water impulse charges to open a door, and been up close and personal with IEDs. Paul Stamets research into Lion's Mane has been helpful.
Lacrosse is the sport you try to play in the spring football offseason to stay in shape and break your collar bone lmao
Jermaine Taylor former Undisputed Middleweight Boxing Champ one of the most saddest situations of CTE damage for sure
What. I remember him. Sad ish.🙏
Ammar Z riddick bowe too
"...And you talk to him. You kinda know"
LOL
It’s amazing how many injuries that seemed minor at the time (like a concussion or knee injury) slowly exacerbate over time and really affect you at an age where you should still be healthy to the point where you stop being able to do stuff
My husband plays rugby league here in New Zealand and the big hits are what people love to see but I always have in the back of my mind about cte hes been playing for years hes had loads of hard head knocks he had a xray once and part of his neck and spine have fused together from the knocks and his head going back
Sorry to say but he has cte and will be hard to deal with as he ages
Is it a chiari malformation? Because thats very dangerous regardless
@@lildude2386 never heard of that before I just googled it and I hope not lol
I was a 2nd string high school athlete on a good football team. I would play in garbage time when we were so for ahead i couldn't screw it up too bad. I distinctly remember getting knocked the hell out on a kickoff. I remember being on the sideline asking what the hell just happened.
Gotta keep that head on a swivel bro
Joe (every sport is dangerous but MMA) Rogan
“This hits you don’t see coming” when I was 7th grade I was playing contact football pads and all. As the ref blew the whistle ending the play, somebody charged me head down from behind hitting me in the back of the head with his head. I have never been so mad. No penalty, no nothing
shit man i played soccer my whole life, played collegiately for 4 years and semi pro for a couple years. I've had more than ten concussions and they definitely have effected me. If soccer can do it i'd hate to think about the damage mma football and lacrosse guys go through
I’ve never played sports have had maybe 5 of them. I’m scared too but shouldn’t be more worried than you. Should I?
Both of you will be fine, Talk with a mental health specialists about it.
Affected
R.I.P Stan Lee 😢
I got CTE from watching idubbbztv
i used to play lacrosse and most of the people weighed 50 pounds more than me. nearly every time i got bodychecked i would fly 6-8 feet back. lacrosse armor works very well to keep you from getting injured, but holy hell is it dangerous if you are strawweight and nearly everyone else is welterweight.
Top 10 active fighters to get CTE:
1. Alistair Overeem
3. Eddie Alvarez
3. Justin Gaetje
4. Diago Sanchez
5. Chuck Liddell
6. Wanderlei Silva
7. Robbie Lawler
8. Mark Hunt
9. Chris Leben
10. Michael Bisping
Increase that to 90% of fighters
Why pick out those?
shit, whats your source? not saying I disagree
No source. Just think its highly likely based on their fighting style or the number of times they’ve been knocked out
Glad I only played full pads 8th and 11th grade. Hard though, because I was obsessed for the longest time with FB more than anyone. Got bell rung once. Til end of junior year, if I ever had any contact to helmet at all, it got sore again in the same spot, middle on top of brain. Through winter and spring, and summer, I noticed it healing for good, not sore anymore. Decided not to play as a senior. Got neck and spine problems anyway from work, bulging discs, occipital neuralgia. Glad I didn't play anymore.
I was a WR who couldnt catch in high school so I didnt take any hits ... Thank God. Sucks for the good players
Donald Wilson Why did the coaches put you at WR if you couldn’t catch lol?
Oleg Usherenko hell of an athlete. Horrid eyesight
I was a db whose nickname was "pbu" or "pass break up" because of how many easily catchable Int's I dropped
Benny Hath lmao same here. I did great at corner bc of my shit hands & eyesight
“BOOM”
-Joe Rogan
i’ve had 5 concussions from motocross and football combined. Don’t regret a thing, most incredible experiences of my life and so many life lessons learned that i don’t believe you can learn anywhere else. Many things come with sacrifice. If it means my memory becomes shotty and other side effects show up in later in life so be it.
Dude doesnt mean you ll get any damage later. Its more the small, repetitive head Traumata that are dangerous. Anyways wish you all the best. 😊
9:16 Savage
When i was in high school during football practice I got hit by to senior lineman so hard that I could not get up and could not feel my legs for about 5 minutes.
I was boxing this one dude on his 30s...got caught as I was tossing a hook....got a crazy head rush, felt dizzy, my legs felt like I was drunk, saw stars and heard ringing for the rest of the rd...shits a crazy feeling
I joined my local lacrosse team and just played my 1st game, I heard how rough it was so I was ready. When it started I took out the 3 closest people to me and everything went quiet, then a shuttlecock landed next to my foot.
Alberts stuff hahahaha excellent
Heard the other day that HOF Jim Brown as great as he was at Football he was an even better Lacrosse player.
Makes sense when you think about it, considering lacrosse has always been a less competitive sport. Nothing against it but if you take the best athletes from the best college lacrosse program and compare them to bama/Clemson football players it'll be night and day
@@bennyhath1789 football players have to be more athletic than their opponent to win while some lacrosse players can be slower and get good production based off iq and experience.
As a D1 FBS defensive lineman that started playing my freshmen year in high school, you were spot on about the college aspect being more physical. You practice every day full speed and work too hard to let your opponent out physical you. You don't even think about those head collisions that occur play after play in the moment. I know I have CTE lol but I realize how much this sport has helped me and can continue to help me that I just don't care
It's nerds trying to take away from what the winners have. Don't let it get to you.
You do your thing bro, you clearly have talent to have made it to where you are but always remember you only have one brain
I played football as WR and but I'm lucky to not get too many helmet to helmet hits. But its really rough for other positions like linemen and RBs.
Slim Charles doesn't matter you still have a high risk of developing cte in the future.
@@ivnnruii7353
That's a possibility, but as science advances I think CTE will be more treatable.
He’s right, every tackle and hit causes at least a small amount of brain damage.
@@fireforce9706 not necessarily. We dont understand cte much. Can be caused by seeing stars and not necessarily concussions. Some guys brains end up being fucked and others are fine.
2010realitycheck Yep, at least a small form of it in their brain. That what I’m trying to say
Former female boxer here, diagnosed with Traumatic Brain Injury. Now in my 50's, life is not good. Thank you Jesus that I have a great pension, because My symptoms are so severe I am no longer able to work.
How long did you fight for
@@calimyellowface5614 about 5 years (although pension was from career as first responder)
@@bravefitchick7184 was the fighting career worth it.
@@calimyellowface5614 NO, but you could not have told me that at the time. Brain Injury was not talked about as much then
Joe"Two paper towels" Rogan
Hockey is where its at, people have died on the ice before.
Joe “ My kids go to a very nice school” Rogan 🤣
This vid needs to blowwwww uppppp
Box lacrosse is more violent, field lacrosse which is more streamline has probably one to two large hits per game. There is a way higher chance of getting concussions in football
I had a completely different picture of lacrosse in my head. Didn't think at all that it could be a contact sport. I'd thought it was more like floorball.
Watching this video gives me headaches and dizziness
Tom Segura is the type of acrobat you’d hire in a prison.
An interview with doctor house, dope.
I think sadly the protection used in American Football actually facilitates this long term brain damage. The sparse rules on tackling rarely change but the padding and protection does - the dangerous nature of the tackles themselves do not change. Compare this to rugby union, legal tackling is constantly changing, the hits are just as big as American football, but the risk of brain damage is far lower.
Yeah, I've heard that taking away the helmets and making the players stand up would change things dramatically.
There will only be more brain damage victims and suicides until it changes
American football players are also faster, bigger, stronger and blacker lol
David Duarte depends on position
@@theDavidChannel1They are definitely not bigger and stronger than rugby players
Rogan is so obsessed with CTE cuz deep down he’s concerned he’s gonna have it
He's actually pretty sure he already has it. He's talked in depth about how he would go home and couldn't sleep due to how bad his headaches were from getting head kicks.
@@stepheneldridge3637 Is that really true? I know he said he stopped fighting when he was like 20 so it wasn’t a long stretch of time. Then again that was his life so i’m sure he took enough blows to the head and possibly had at least one concussion.
Played football from 4 grade through high school. Decided not to try out for the community college team. Said I’m done having headaches after like every practice
THIS WHY I RATHER HAVE MY KIDS DO BALLET AND BE QUESTIONED ON THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION
🙌
What happened to the original podcast, can't find it anymore
You should have a lacrosse goalie on, 120 mph shots from hard rubber balls to the shins, those guys are NUTS
Field lacrosse is different, you can still hit other players but to a lesser degree, box lacrosse is a lot more contact plus it’s a smaller area you have to play, but even then it’s mostly hard cross checks and slashes, youll still definitely see people get laid out but because that’s not the main objective of the game
Next up: New study concludes getting out of bed causes the most common and extreme CTE.
Joe just ruined that poor kid's life. He was gonna be a lacrosse player in high school, popular, high self-esteem, get into a good school and join a frat or maybe the club lacrosse team, use his connections to get some type of lucrative finance or business job and have a happy life. Instead he'll try basketball, never see a lick of playing time over Hakeem or Jamal, quit, have low self-esteem, develop a drug problem in college and drop out, and still be waiting tables at 30. Also I'm only projecting a little bit
CTE- When you sneeze so hard your vision goes black
I was a bit shocked when Bazooka Joe Valtelieni didnt or wasnt allowed to spar for a while after his title fight (he explains it better in his jre ep i reccomend)
i want joe to come to australia and watch kids play rugby league hahaha he would have a fit, we different animals over here
i feel like CTE is mainly the lack of oxygen in the brain. In this case the brain isʻnt functioning well. Try holding your breath while putting together a dresser. The longer you hold your breath the more shifty your thoughts gets and you cant think straight. That is EXACTLY💯 how CTE feels like, but it’s all day every day. I believe i have significant CTE i played football 3 yrs in high school 3 yrs in college as a Linebacker and i was the starter all those years. My idols were zach thomas and bill romonowski. As you know thomas and romo tackles a lot with their helmets. Their style embedded in my game and that’s how i played. Iʻve been laying dudes out through my playing days and a good percentage of that were helmet to helmet hits.
I just learned about CTE when i first experience the symptoms and that was after my first college football season. Out of nowhere i felt like i didnt wana be in school, didnt wana be near my friends, felt guilty but didnt know why. I suffered from a kazillion of migranes it felt like through out all these years.
I didnt understand what i was going through until i watched the will smith concussion movie in my dorm
room. Then i thought to myself maybe i have CTE. I researched more about CTE and i found out that everything iʻm going through are CTE symptoms.
Since then ive been thinking A LOT how to deal with it. Iʻve never went to the doctors, i feel like im ashamed of it. Ive always tried to handle it myself and so far i believe it has gotten better. And it has been 7 years since i felt strong sypmtoms of CTE.
I started my recovery by changing my diet even though still today i eat cheeseburgers and hot dogs. But i cut down my eating 50% and and more vegetables and fruits to my diet. A TON of water. Minimize SUGAR.
Im not a super vegan hero but thatʻs kind of where im heading.
I cut 40lbs after i thought i was going to lose it all. Im not doing this just to impress others about my diet and body but im doing it because my life literally depends on it.
Again so far my memory improved but still sucks, thinking kind of stabling, i make my loved ones laugh again now, a lil bit. Overall im glad i can find a little happiness. Thatʻs all i asked for is a sign a little light and iʻll gravitate towards it.
The main thing is oxygen, i can breathe so much better now after i change my diet and lose some weight. Most of the foods we eat are the PROBLEM. This is the reason why iʻm searching for the best diet for my body so it can produce more oxygen cleanly and narurally.
Please if you read this understand that people are going through things dont judge them by their actions but help find light to the root of their problems.
If you have CTE know that youʻre not alone. DO NOT GIVE UP to the mediaʻs portrat of CTE believe that you can erase it and get back HOME. Your diet, wellness, your good habbits, your happiness i believe theyʻre the keys to help with CTE.
May the power of the creator be with you the courageous one. Fight on.
I was dropped on my head when i was 4 months old. I dont know if i have CTE but my memory is weak. I have depression. I get mood swings all the time. I i have migran also
@@user-ez4cp2vh5s I wouldnt call that CTE because CTE is chronic, but its probably head damage
@@roardinoson7 i think you ar right. Soon there will be neurogenesis. Every brain problem will be cured
TUAminator_666 good luck man, hope it all works out for you 👌
You idolize Romo? Yeah, you definitely have CTE
Whenever I use to hear people say “I’d never let my child play football, it’s dangerous” I’d always think to myself “Jesus Christ, get a fucking grip” but not anymore after all this stuff we now know about concussions and CTE
Ice Hockey, Lacrosse, Rugby and now MMA... my brain is potato mash at this point
Alternate title “Tom Segura denies CTE diagnosis”
Lacrosse and football are not comparable in terms of head trauma. Joe's watching a highlight tape of lacrosse hits misrepresenting the game. A normal game has one or two big hits at most, it's not like the repetitiveness of football, unless you're watching a compilation tape. They've also made the rules restrictive in terms of body checking. NCAA lacrosse in 2019 will probably have fewer concussions than soccer
Idk man I got 12 thru lax, playing over like 7 years. Your right it's not comparable. But it takes one bad one and any knock on the head could potentially give you another one
Gay ass field lacrosse doesn't have much contact but arena lacrosse(the only lacrosse people actually watch) has ALOT of hits and they even fight like in hockey but they're not on skates. There's just as much CTE in arena lacrosse.
SlenderFam 27 did you had any long term symptoms like attention or mood problems afterwards??
Tiramisu #1P4PGOAT only canadians watch that shit its all about college lax
@@AlejandroCab98 we watch hockey to u want to compare foot ball to hockey ? , foot ball is a joke next to hockey
Youth tackle football scares the shit out of me bc I really do love the game - everyone in my family does. I live in Longview, Texas. Longview HS is ranked 1st in Texas 6A and eleventh in the nation right now. They’ve gone to the playoffs every year since 2003. There are 85,000 ppl, a 6A and 5A high school, Longview HS alone has produced 26 NFL players. They currently have 5. Like, nationwide, 1 in 20,000 people will make it to the NFL. 1 in 3000 from here go on to the NFL. So, I can say “I’m not going to let my son play until middle school” all day, but... he’s only 18 months old now. It’s going to be a little harder to argue that point when he’s 7 and he is begging to play bc every other kid he knows is out there running the fucking Oklahoma drill or the gauntlet... bc they do that shit. It’s pretty stupid. I don’t know why kids don’t play flag and then 7 on 7 instead of tackle. Seems like learning a pass heavy fast offense at a young age would be more beneficial. It’s just crazy here though. Patrick Mahomes Jr is from this area. He started working with these conditioning coaches when he was 11 I think. Pretty much all the college players going into the pros get ready for the combine with the same coaches, but they have programs starting for 5 year olds - strength and conditioning for 5 year olds, and it’s like.. like, the competition to get your kids into the best private schools in LA or NYC... we’re getting our 5 year olds ready for the NFL combine. LOL...
well if Soccer has high risk of CTE then I guess I won't be coming out of my house ever again to eliminate any chance of CTE lol
Ha no chance of it bro
There is when you are heading the ball.
I think it’s a very small risk only known to cause it in players from back then
Sub concussive trauma is scary af
I play lacrosse and I can confirm people get rocked, all the time. Also you're not wearing pads like in football, and the pads you do have are small and thin.
Joe if you want to blow the doors off of an issue that's kind of being sat on you need to look into amount of paratroopers, thousands of paratroopers we're going with CTE undiagnosed. Will not connect Anythink CTE related unless there is a roadside bomb attached to it. These men women braids look as you said like walnuts. My doctor for instance told me I've had over 30 concussions from just four years. Something to think about. If you are reading this get your head checked. It could be the reason why you've been fighting depression lack of focus many many many other issues
After a KB tournament i always take a month off from sparring and just hit the bag hold pads u know
There’s kids in high school with sever ctw from playing since an early age, this shit ain’t a joke
Last year i passed out and gave myself a concussion smacking my head on a metal chair. Got in a car accident a couple weeks later. Not bad but another gnarly concussion. I also train so i was getting hit and choked real good nothing too bad tho. Combine all that i could tell very much my functioning was waay down. And i smoke a lot of weed so that helps and makes it worse at the same time lolol thats my story folks
bro u still alive?
Nobody’s talking about Bob Probert, the badest hockey enforcer.
I played lacrosse from 3rd grade through college. They really make lacrosse seem like a blood sport it’s pretty soft tbh.
You can definitely get fucked up in high school/college lax
I wish they teached/had moore martial arts and such in sports in highschool and collage!!!
I play both lacrosse and football and football is way way worse I’ve had some rly bad hits in football and have struggled to walk before after a hit but I’ve never had anything close to that in lacrosse and bad head injuries aren’t nearly as common in lacrosse as football
Its like shaken baby syndrome but with 1 hard shake a day. From kindergarten to retirement.
Joe "I'm talking out of my ass right now, but I think a doctor would agree" Rogan
Lacrosse has insane stats on CTE
That's how me and my friend talk about each other
Tom mentioned tennis and it's worth noting that, no, you won't get CTE in that sport, but the knees of a 50+ tennis player are an ugly thing.
Schmuddel
Shit I’d rather have him knees than have trouble forming a sentence
Ice hockey is the most violent
Thought that was dr.House for a sec 🤣🤣
Joe needs to see Rugby in New Zealand
Lacrosse is bad ass
That guy said cheerleading 💀💀
Lacrosse is sick it’s gonna be the next big sport