Maybe word that a little differently because there are injuries in almost every sport that are having career ending injuries and even death like soccer is a sport I don't really watch much very rarely only when my dad's watching his team and you see these soccer players going up for the ball and you see them hitting each other in the heads and they're both going like as fast as they can cuz they're hustling to get to that bowl and they both knock each other's brains her heads and then you see football players in the NFL American football which is my favorite sport that the helmet doesn't protect the players enough or the padding that they use on certain limbs or anything doesn't protect enough because of the way that a hit forces up specific body part so like if you're coming 100 miles an hour to tackle somebody and you make contact just on their head and neck like you could paralyze the guy you could kill the guy and there was even a case in the NFL where someone died on a special teams play a play where a team kicks the ball to the player and he has to run with it and follow his blockers to try to get as many yards or touched on as you can and someone came down 100 mph in like spear the guy in the head or just contacted his head and neck and he died during that play or later that night or whatever because of it so I would just say like word that a little different maybe say boxing is the only sport that you get your brain shook more than any sport because they're literally taking blows to the face and head like you have one person literally during a whole fight trying to punch you in the face and trying to punch in the head to create damage! I know that is a quote apparently from Joe Frazier so just edit something after that quote
A good story I heard was from michael Bisping after Dan henderson knocked him out cold at UFC 100. Bisping says that he was in the back room after the fight and didn’t know he’d already fought. He thought he was getting ready for the fight and his team had to tell him about 5 times that he’d just been knocked out. If that’s not brain damage then I don’t know what is 🧠 💣
Former K1 champion Tetsuya Yamato told the exact same story, he got knocked out by the legendary Saenchai and the memory of that fight just gone, he ended remember nothing about it and thought he haven't fought yet. ruclips.net/video/K-vdEI3jiuI/видео.html ruclips.net/video/b9E48kUca6s/видео.html
Honestly, that sort of reaction is not that concerning. The scary stuff is all long term. People wake up from surgery (none of which was on their brain) and they are often just as confused. I've been knocked out in a car crash (don't know how long I was out but it wasn't more than a minute or so). I still don't remember the crash or the 5min or so before. I was just as confused waking up in a car that was now in a corn field... I tried turning the car off (it was certainly not running). I had tons of tests run on me and had no long-term impact on my brain at all. Your brain deals with trauma often times by suppressing the memory of the trauma (at least this is what many professionals told me).
@@Telthar that’s an interesting perspective. Being knocked out like that can’t be too good for the old melon 🍈 Good to hear you’re doing well tho now mate 👍🏼
If you get concussion in F1 they won't let you drive for 3 months because a second concussion in that time can cause irreversible damage. American contact sportsmen just seem to dive back in right away(e.g American Football). It's pretty horrific when you think about it.
I think the scariest concussions happen from pop warner through college. I’ve seen some disgusting knockouts in football but half the time you don’t feel anything after taking a break so you go back in I remember high school was a little more strict on concussions but back during them 10 to 13 age you got kids getting blasted it’s insane.
@@mcseedat I remember reading in MMA forums a lot of denial, saying that because they don’t have long rounds, more grappling, and rarely have true knockouts, that CTE would be rare and not an issue. This was in 2010 or so; now people talk openly about mma fighters having CTE.
After I got my first concussion from sparring, I seriously backed off from sparring for months. Used to do it 3-4 times a week, now I do it once every couple months, and I go light. It's not worth your future health. Once you feel that fuzzy, dumb concussed state, you realize how serious it is.
Well they believe now the most important factor is recovery. So you're going about it the right way. The worst way to go is when you're concussed to take repeated hits and pile on. It's the equivalent of going running with a broken leg. I believe that's why Chris Benoit was in such a bad state because he'd get a concussion and continue to wrestle taking hits all the time.
@@hgod7329 I used to spare heavy and not care what I took because for my lightweight I had one hell of a jaw from growing up being stomped out and jumped and never got knocked out or even dazed. Then I took shrooms and me and 3 other men through a 350lbs metal gate and the 2 last bars wacked me back to back to the part of my skull where it curves out. and I felt that closing tunnel vision and you literally clench your fists to stay up (I heard it from karate and kickboxing to do that to prevent yourself from going completely out) I was barley able to stand and fell over to prevent myself from falling down that cliff and I legit couldnt stand. From then on i realized how bad a head injury can be (i was lucky to just get that concussion) and have been actively against any kind of striking or slamming hard because if you're not being paid or in a life or death situation theres absolutely no need to potentially ruin your brain.
How hard do you have to be hit for brain damage/CTE to occur? I’ve just started sparring in Muay Thai and most people go light but occasionally a few “hard hitters”. Is mild discomfort when getting hit enough to cause it? Do you have be be knocked out for brain damage to occur?
It took me more than 10 years to overcome a concussion I had when I was 17. I couldn't even speak a sentence immediately after like my mouth and brain were out of synch.
I started boxing 3 months ago and have recently had a couple of sparring sessions against my coaches/guys who have been training for between 5 and 10 years. Yesterday, I pretty much got beat up by one of them. And at the end of the session I took a fully loaded straight right. It was the first single punch I've ever taken that actually had an effect on me. I wasn't seeing stars or confused as to where I was but my left eye was going in and out of focus for about 30 minutes after the punch and I had a light headache for about two hours after. Do you think there is any chance whatsoever that I could have suffered any permanent brain injury from this? I love boxing but I will absolutely quit sparring/fighting if things like this are going to give me permanent brain injuries.
@@jacobbehm5941 I do sparring and the same happened to me but I went to a doctor in thi end it was OK buy if is hurt you so much you should go to a med
I've been doing it for almost 2 years now and I wouldn't get immediately discouraged if I were you. If you just want to be "competent" at MMA (NOT an Amateur Fighter) then you can do that in a relatively safe manner. But it depends on A) your sparring partners B) your instructor and C) your commitment. So naturally a lot of it comes down to finding the right kind of Gym and there are a lot of gyms that do it the wrong way as Joe Rogan explains it (especially back in the day). But I think many MMA coach's today understand that most people are not trying to become professional fighters and just want to understand basic self defense. So be vocal with your coach as to what your goals are and if he thinks you need to get knocked unconscious a few times to get better then walk away. Of course you should expect to get smacked across the head a few times but so long as these are not knockout punches then you should be relatively okay. But on the off chance you run into an asshole or a training accident then STOP, RELAX, Listen to your Body and Return to the Octagon when you're ready. This is what I've personally done and I've never suffered a concussion or anything overly traumatic. And I don't want to gloat too much but I've definately learned a lot. There is no rank in MMA but I did get my blue belt in BJJ and I'm not a badass or anything like that but I do feel as if I could take out the average asshole in a 1v1 situation.
Try to find a gym that does light sparring. And tbh, the threshold for each person is different when it comes to head trauma. For me, a few light strikes in quick succession during sparring is enough to give me a light headache for a few days. Others can take multiple full-power blows without feeling anything the next day.
I talked to a neurologist and he said sometimes people can take up to a few years to recover from a head injury. This can be reversed with eating fats, sleep, and doing something like dance lessons to improve neuron connectivity. TBI and CTE are two different things but can be POTENTIALLY related. It's weird because you have guys like Joe (and my 60yo uncle who has over 50 kickboxing fights) and they're very cognitive, healthy, and smarter than the average person. xD Anyways, I think grappling will become much more popular because of the knowledge we have about brain damage lol
Joe definitely has damage if you listen closely. He forgets a lot of basic things and his ability to recall accurate info is really poor. Gets things muddled a lot. He def took a lot of damage.
@@Basethagod THe brain heals, our bodies heal... CTE is actually not common even among combat athletes, having said that of course there will be an increased risk of it when you box or spar really hard. Some people basically are walking around no problem like mike tyson or holyfield. But CTE is the least of you concern they have better health care and treatment available now than even 5 years back, even without illegal punches you can end up like prichard colon and be bed bound and unable to move. One wrong collision of the brain can lead to swelling or if worse bleeding...
My brother got knocked out when he was 23 or 24 by 3 mma fighters ganging up on him. When he was down they kept kicking him in the head over and over like 20 or 30 times when he was uncontious. Got staples in his head and everything. Started having seizures shortly there after. He's 32 now and has been battling it for a long time now. He gets a really bad episodes every 6 months, but they haven't been accuring as much as they used to, thank god. But he is slower mentally than he used to be and sleeps alot more bc of the pills he takes and rest is good for his brain. Brain damage over time from repeated head injury is real!! To this day I wish I was older back then, and would have been able to do somthing about the situation. Take care of ur brain. Most important organ.
@@John-kk8gi they each got like 1 month in the county or less. Which is bullshit. Justice hasn't been served yet. I guess we can sue em. But it's more likely that ima take justice into my own hands if u get what I'm sayin.
@@robloxgod6945 GSP might. Hes taken a lot of hits despite his wrestle fucking lmao. But for real I hope everyone comes out ok, I'm sure they'll all have a slight slur but probably nothing real serious for the most part. Aka guys... idk man they spar hard and alof
@@CALIFORNIAsGAMER exactly. That's why a lot more boxers have died in competition than mma fighters. The knockdown rule fucks people with heart over if you really think about it. They're just gonna keep on getting back up until they actually die or it's been 3 times in one round
That’s why boxing is more dangerous then MMA for head trauma. Yes, MMA knockouts are more severe. But once your wobbled your usually KOed so it’s not that bad. In boxing you get more head shots and get wobbled for frequently.. but you keep fighting until you drop
Like someone else said. In Mma the rules are if you get TKO'd they call it of. Whilst in boxing if you don't throw in the towel and or get taken down 3 times in one round and the 10 secound count then you can continue. In the ring you turn of higher brain functions. Just fighting. No thought of your well being or so.
Yeah i was just watching that Tyson vs Holyfeild 1 fight, and jesus christ, holyfeild was beating the shit out of mike right before the stoppage, and all i was thinking was in Boxing, this is what getting the shit beat out of you is, just taking incredible damage to the head by great punchers, there probably isn't any fighting sport that is consistently worse in regards to long lasting damage than Boxing.
oh man I'm going to BJJ class in 30 minutes lol. I think relatively safer than striking because of the lower frequency of hits to the head. But then also, one giant head slam could end everything@@disqid6121
This is absolutely true. I didn't develop specific and most extreme symptoms until about 10 years after having a severe Traumatic Brain Injury. Now life has become a challenge I never would have imagined could have come about
Sorry to hear it mate .. I had brain injury in 2015 an had a couple of concussions since an feel fine at moment ..I guess I will get back tonu in a few years
I was in a car accident nearly 20 years ago where I rolled my vehicle 8 times, and my head hit on the grass field separation between interstate lanes at least 5 times. I still feel the effects today, and now and then they are horrible. I can't imagine what boxers go through...I have terrible hours or days...they must have terrible weeks or months.
@@JamieD247 Irritability, short term memory loss, headaches, information overload, and then feeling like it got erased like a dry erase board. There are things I know, for example, watching Jeopardy....that I can't bring forward. It's all very frustrating. Also, Joe mentions more and more concussions. The post effects get progressively worse with each concussion.
@@aalekhine5109 i got all this too but it was because of drugs when i was 17, 18... now im 23 going to my first muay thai fight but im scared to get hit in the head cant even lie
@@ryancairns2099 It was....got my wheels off the road just a bit and drove back on to the interstate. My wheels caught the side of the road and sent me into the spin.
@@bradleyrobinson7552 That's true, it's accumulative too. Slick box and move fighters fair better, as while caught on occasion, they don't accumulate so much.
Retired BoxingRef Wilder rocked the kid? The kid or Wilder have cumulative damage? I think Wilder is showing signs in his speech now. A friend of dads who was NZ lightweight champion , lived down rd ended up with alzeimers before he died at about 68 .His wife reckoned it was his boxing yrs. It was sad, he was a good man, good to us as kids and a hard worker in fruit and vege trade.
I once saw a guy get one punched in primary school. He waddled back and then dropped like a bag of potato's. It was shocking. My primary school was a toxic shark tank.
If you think the boxing 8 count's bad. Reminder that in Lethwei when a fighter gets ko'd, his corner is allowed 2 minutes to revive him to keep fighting and it gets marked as a knockdown. Could you imagine the ramifications of that happening multiple times over dozens of fights sometimes multiple times in under 30 minutes
Those corner men are just like the cockfighting guys. They put a fighter in and keep him active as long as they can knowing it will likely die after the match. Those fighters are disposable
I remember seeing our running back after a high school football game. He was obviously concussed and thought that we were on our way to prom. He played the next week. It was the first game of the season.
Yeah football can really mess up your brain at any level. I think the head to head collisions is something that you don't really see in other sports, but it can happen multiple times in one football game. Its a great sport but the dangers of it are very real
I genuinely think most people in contact sports love the fact that they're squarely responsible for the pain they've caused to the other people. If you cared one bit about human life, you wouldn't want to be responsible for causing that kind of damage.
@@woosh2055 If someone asks you to pummel their face in and cause irreparable damage to their brain and body, are you going to do that just because they asked you to or because you wanted an avenue to do that kind of thing? Either way is stupid.
@@fahadbutt1104 Except muscle cells and brain cells are entirely different in thers function and make up. Muscle cells are specialised for endurance, our brain cells are not!!
My eye doctor was looking into my eyes and said "You've had had some serious head trauma" Amazed me she could see that thru my eyes. I've been knocked out twice in motorcycle accidents.
@@vlsr71 I can’t remember what tool she was using when she told me. I think it was that very bright, blinding light, that looks like a light Sabre (or light bar) She runs it back and forth inch’s from your eyeball. It’s hard to keep your eyes open because it’s so bright. It lets them see the back of your eyeball. That’s where she saw the damage. I have floaters also but that’s from old age. I’m 61. I’d have it checked out and ask them to check for that out for you. I was just in for new glasses. She replaced my old optometrist who’ve I’ve had since the early 80s after he retired. He never mentioned that I had head injuries in all those years I’ve seen him. Maybe she’s a better doctor? Ive been knocked out fighting multiple bouncers in bars also. Oh those younger years 🤕 They don’t play buy the rules and fight one on one.
Prichard Colons was a boxer who fought Terrell Williams, who used rabbit punches to hit Prichard at the back of the head a total of 45 times during the fight. After the match, Prichard collapsed in his room, vomited, and went into a coma for 221 days. Sadly, he has remained in a vegetative state since then, and it's been seven years since the incident. This was a devastating event for Prichard and his loved ones. Terrell Williams is widely regarded as one of the most disliked boxers due to the harm he caused Prichard.
I think the main issue is hard sparring. If you’re getting concussed infrequently - maybe once or twice a year when you fight that’s probably not the end of the world. Getting rocked every other week in sparring however… Make sure you find the right gym. If you’re getting encouraged to spar hard - especially if you’re just a hobbyist - it’s time to leave
@@raidiohead44 are you a fighter? If you are doing it as amateur there is no reason to spar, dont fight, if you wanna fight do grapling, it's not worth getting punched for no reason man. Fight for something that's worth it, get punched for something that's worth it otherwise it's too dangerous even light sparring is dangerous. People also think it is okay getting kicked in the head in sparring, well it's not lol sparring is not worth it at all.
@@yavuz9038 i agree bro, i want to learn martial arts but without sparring, cause i only use it as a hobby to keep me in shape, i dont want to risk my brain health.
man u are right i fought 4 fights in mma but i was only once rocked in the gym and my coach called my spaaring partner a dickhead he tells us to go fast not hard and thats the thing we do yeah man if in one year u get 4 fight and get rocked 10 times or so then its damaging but not killing
@@pratik1568 I was a big Liddell fan, but that Rashad Evans punch took off 20 years. Thought he was dead when it landed. Sounded like a gun shot when it landed.
@@killergreek55 when you train, you gotta simulate a real fight, in this case you could get more that few hits just to learn. Otherwise, your training is useless.
I had a close friend who was sucker punched at the top of a hill, falling back from a punch AND hitting his head from a 7ft backwards drop. Total change in personality for about a year, finishing in suicide. I strongly suspect his brain injury leading to his suicide. The glory of combat is strong but the implications of brain injury is just too much
Ye i got sucker Palm punched like those slap contest where people get knocked out but it was more like a rlly strong Palm Strike to the side of my head. Been battling suicide ever since, no1 truly understands the Gravity of Brain damage until they go through it. i couldnt walk a straight line for a week since my right side of Brain got so messed up, kept falling to the left side. But the worst has to be the Extreme fatigue and 24/7 stress you get from it. If its serious enough you get so weak that just to be standing or in sit position becomes a chore.
@@justindailey7488 i have been getting help but the real help was when i got married and had kids, now i have something to work hard for and the drinking got alot less, but still shifting between xanax, valium and lexotanil
@@nareeeely that’s good to hear man. You should get a brain scan. Or if you’re pretty sure you have a TBI(brain injury) try taking Fish Oil as it’s been proven to help repair those types of injuries.... also drugs like psilocybin and ayahuasca(DMT is the active ingredient) have had very positive effects for some
The most important thing in combat sports especially boxing is learning to hit and not get hit, alot of people become hesitant after hearing the effects of getting knocked out, so am I, sometimes I actually become hesitant and say to myself if it's worth going into boxing to save my little brothers the pain of being poor or bullied but the difference is it's about head movement and footwork even if it doesn't give fight fans the spectacular fight everyone wants to see, it doesn't matter, because they're not the ones putting their life on the lines to fight and make money, so it DOES not matter if you don't base your combat strategy on just wild or power shots, it's ok to fight more defensively and not just throw a mass amount of punches to look more threatening because at the end of the day you're a fighter putting your life on the line and no one can tell you how to fight, it's better to fight in way that suited YOU and your health, not some fat fuck who watches fights and expects to see bloodshed in each fight. I do hope this comment can spread awareness or get some attention so people can know that head movement and footwork is what will prevent brain damage the MOST and that you should fight the way it suits you, not other people.
Alejandra Mendez bro totally agree with everything you said ✊🏾💯🙏🏾 that’s style I use a defensive hit and don’t get hit even though I have power in both hands I don’t rely on knockouts I just box and don’t get hit
Learn to roll punches, train footwork and head movements, and build up your speed, stamina and reflexes. Anything, ANYTHING you can do to minimise and prevent damage. These are some suggestions from a random person on the internet, stay safe out there and look after yourself, it's a cruel sport.
These guys know what they are getting into. These guys love what they do and would not be happy doing something else. I loved to box when i was a kid but i ended up being a laborer. I wished i had pursued boxing
I remember seeing a video about Troy Aikman. He was playing a playoff game vs the 49ers and in one of the last quarters he got knocked out. They took him to the locker rooms to get checked out and everything and he asked what happened, they told him he was at the game and got hit hard. He asked if they won. They told him they did. Then he asked if he played good. They told him they did. But they said the same conversation was repeated about five times. Scary stuff.
Sports are different these days. If they were this obsessed over brain injuries when I played soccer, I probably would have had to sit out my entire high school career on concussion protocol. The amount of times I went up for a header and collided with another guy or hit the ball with my temple trying to direct it... I'd love to have my brain scanned to see what the impact has truly been. I'd get super dizzy and/or my ears would be ringing, coach would look at me and ask "You okay?", I would say yeah I'm good coach and go right back to playing lol.
Watched a documentary about Gerald McClellan last night...former boxing champ whos now blind and mostly deaf. Has almost no memory of his past or career and struggles to understand simple sentences. Truly tragic. So sad how people forget about these guys. Was a Don King promoted fighter and he earned millions. He's broke and barely getting by now...
my dad did boxing in communist Romania from the age for 14 to around 29,today he is 68 years old. he struggles with memory loss and confusion,sometimes he does things without actually knowing what he is doing. grandpa also did boxing in his youth,died at 86 and had dementia. i never did boxing ´,but the point is a lot of people I've been speaking with about my dad and grandpa`s conditions,all said to me that boxing is to blame. Our general physician told us that dad will only get worse as he will age because of the hits he took to the head.
3:31 one of the scariest moment of my life was getting knocked out. I was sparring my friend and he kept saying he wasnt into it so I made a joke about his girlfriend, put my hands down, and he hit me..all I remember is going board stiff and my vision closing like elevator doors. I still remember the look of horror my friend had as he grabbed me to help me onto the ground.
I was in a parking lot and slipped on snow or ice trying to get in my car. The next thing I know is the cashier from store was asking me if I was OK. I assume I knocked my self out because when I said yes, he looked at me crazy. He said he wanted to call for an ambulance. I told him no and drove away. I was embarrassed at first. As I started driving I knew who I was but had absolutely no clue where I lived. It took 15 minutes of driving before I remembered. That scared the shit out of me. I called my dad (I lived alone) and told him to make sure to check on me that night. Was afraid to go to sleep.
@@gabago0l Yes, it was honestly the scariest moment of my life! No BS, I was in a suburb that I lived near for 40+ years but for the life of me, could not remember where I lived!!! If anyone who reads this EVER gets a head injury, please call 911 or a loved one or friend and tell them exactly what happened! Seriously, Bob Saget from "Full House" was found in his hotel room deceased and had head trauma. Now it is possible that he was murdered, but at the time was completely healthy and could have just slipped in the shower, hit his head, and figured that he would be OK. Please, don't EVER go to sleep or brush off a fall where you hit your head, especially if you lose consciousness!!! Embarrassment is NOTHING, your life and welfare is what ultimately matters.
When I was in the 8th grade, me and my friends rode our bikes to school, which was about 5 miles away. On the way there I tried to do a trick by jumping over something and knocked myself out cold. We still had about 3 miles to the school. I remember various parts. I went from jumping my bike to being inside a mcdonalds trying to buy breakfast, like I fast traveled there, I spilled my change all over the floor of the mcdonalds trying to pay. Then I remember telling my friends while we were riding through a neighborhood "Look at that apple house", "its a big apple" and they were very confused. Then I remember being in front of my locker and I couldnt remember my code and just stayed there staring at my locker and a teacher called my dad and I went to the hospital to get a brain scan. And the worst part was my dad didnt want me riding my bike to school that day because he had a bad feeling but i begged and begged and he reluctantly let me go.
I've been diagnosed with CTE stage 2. I rode horses and bulls my whole life and can't tell you how many times I've had to gather my chickens and I go through hell daily. Noone can imagine what it's like. All I can say is wear a helmet no matter what you are doing. I can't remember shit. But I can tell you everything till I turned 19 then it's like dreaming only way I can explain it. Everyday is a challenge not to snap
@@twondagreat8893 doesn’t matter now really. Doesn’t matter if I was playing football or a Jokey in the Kentucky Derby fact is I have it and I’m 48 now and can’t leave home can’t get any help to have insurance or anything like that. So going to a doctors office is out cause I can’t afford it. I’m screwed till something bad happens. And it’s going to happen matter of time.
@@brianwilliams2906 you're right my bad....I've suffered from depression and ADHD so I'm always kinda sad, angry or impulsive, so I can't imagine what you're going through
The main issue is the accumulated collisions, effectively like having thousands of mini car crashes. So actually contact sports (while less brutal) will have a far increased risk of long term brain injuries than combat sports. So basically playing Rugby, American Football or Hockey etc. Yet you would have never thought this when playing as a kid.
I got my first concussion yesterday during boxing sparring. At the beginning of the sparring, the teacher made it clear that it was supposed to be light and not strong, after doing the first sparring, everything went well, I was just taking some strong punches to the stomach. The second sparring was with a veteran who had had amateur fights... it was clear that I wasn't hitting to hurt and not with all my strength, however, the first punch he hit me knocked me down, he threw a very strong left cross. strong. He saw that he had hurt me and asked for forgiveness for hitting me so hard... I was naive and believed that it might not have been intentional... and then he hit me even harder with a right to the temple. My legs buckled, everything started spinning and I couldn't breathe. To date, I still feel a bit of headache, confusion, the urge to vomit, and a lot of anger at myself for being so naive. I didn't tell my girlfriend, family and friends. Combat sports are no joke, don't spar hard if you don't intend to become a professional fighter, don't take brain damage for nothing.
I packed up boxing because they discovered after every fight I had concussion. Then horse riding accident , then motor bike accident when I lost the feeling on the right hand side of my head. I’m now 76 and am fine so every case is different
I remember in middle school playing football a teammate got absolutely rocked on a slant route. They took him out for a concussion, this is 12 years ago so there was protocols set. I went to ask him how he was and what he said made no sense. It was like he wasnt even there. I quit after that season lol
@@paulgreengod the guy can speak 5 languages with a college degree and still one the best in his sport and retired young without taking that much damage i would say hes one of the smartest fighters in mma history
I got knocked unconscious from hitting my head on the ground, after 5 to 10mins of being awake again I went blind and was rushed to hospital. I was awake but completely unable to see anything for what seemed like a long time (probably ~15mins). I had a broken collar bone as well as concussion. Definitely lost a few brain cells that time. My dad fell out of a car when he was a kid which caused a head injury, my grandparents reckoned he was never quite the same afterwards.
@@prodrt1 he doesn’t have a single one? He probably has way less than everyone else in his profession but I don’t see how he can’t have a single one. Especially if he fought for so long
A blood test reveals brain damage nowadays, though not to what extent the damage is. There's a particular protein created when a person takes trauma to the brain, and the blood test detects that particular protein.
I doubt boxing 46 amateur contests helped, But I have deteriorated in the past decade after being kicked unconscious and stamped on until my head was blue. Depression Anger and dizziness and headaches. Gonna see those 3 dudes in the next life
This is crazy I done a lot of amateur boxing but I got jumped by 4 guys walking home from a club with a girl.. I got knocked out cold and repeatedly kicked in the head on the floor.. since then I’ve suffered from severe anxiety attacks.. depression.. mood swings.. headaches, dizziness.. long life to you bro
This makes sense as to why Shane Mosley just randomly had a hard time talking and whatnot like he was punch drunk. One moment he was all good, then I seen an interview with him talking like that out of nowhere.
It ain’t just knockouts..it’s when you get your bell rung when you spar that does the damage. It’s a weird feeling to describe unless you’ve felt it. Boxing is the worst..transitioning from Muay Thai to boxing did damage
Rogan talks about boxing and I had the same experience. In college, I'm part of this martial arts club and I think I'm the S__t. But the University Boxing team worked out in the same gym and when they would come in, we got kicked out. However, I started to stick around and eventually i was able to get in the ring. Now, martial arts, where you could kick the legs, sweep, I was pretty good. Boxing? I got my butt kicked constantly. I sucked. It was a big wake up call. Thankfully, I was a girl and a few years later, I just quit because the boys I was sparing with got too big, too strong, too fast. I was like ok, this sucks, I'm out. lol.
i had always went light with girls even if they go 80% i need to go 10% or they get hurt.but i had heard of some gyms that dont care if its a girl or not its war lmao
I’ve put off getting any scans because I’m really terrified of hospitals and the thoughts of this getting worse as I get older but I’ve had a couple of what I call really minor issues ever since me and my Dad was jumped by a load of thugs. One of the thugs smashed me around the back of the head with a Lambrini bottle and I remember it being so hard that it felt like my eyes popped. Apparently I managed to carry on trying to defend me and my dad. I don’t remember that at all. It was hours after the whole thing I felt like my body was shutting down. I remember that bit like yesterday. Really strange feeling. Thankfully my Dad was ok and managed to get hold of a couple of them. I’ve been hit in the head many times with generally being an adventurous kid. I now have long hair to cover the disgusting scars. There’s so many horrible and currently incurable diseases that worry me but ironically I’ll happily go and do my job testing and developing vehicles without any fear at all.
The Spencer Fisher story brought me here, it is sad what happened to him, I wish the best for him and his family, he is going through a rough time right now, if anybody wants to know what I'm talking about read the article, it's called the price of being the king and it's about Spencer fishers fighting career and the head trauma he's dealing with
George Foreman took so many punches in his comeback , because he was too slow to dodge punches, that he by all rights should have scrambled eggs for brains. Instead he's sharp as a tack ,a great boxing analyst and public speaker who lectures at universities and he's an extremely wealthy and successful businessman
Your point is? Are you honestly dumb people can smoke cigarettes and live till 70 with no lung cancer It doesn't change the fact that it's bad for you just cause one person happens to be lucky
@@brotothewilliams9890 my point was pretty clear , shitwad. Nobody is suggesting that boxing isnt dangerous and can cause dementia. I just said it didn't affect George Foreman that way , which is odd because he was in some of the hardest battles ever fought in the ring. Looks like you're the one who is dumb
@Geovany Franco I guess it does. But I can't think of any other heavys who have been in battles like Foreman who don't at least show some sign of motor skill decline or something. Tyson is pretty sharp still , Lennox got out while his brain was still in good condition. But those are exceptions and neither of them fought nearly as many rounds as GF
It’s probably came down to genetics in foreman’s case that beast of a fighter definitely had some genetic luck it’s either that or he just had steel plates implanted in his skull
Rugby and rugby league players i watched in the 80s and 90s are all coming out with dementia etc The amount of times their head got smashed when they were playing is astounding. Its so sad.
Guys if you wanna do fight sports with no risk: Do the whole training, including bag training just without the sparring. You only miss 20-25% of the training. Its ok. U will still be fit as f*ck with hard punches and incredible stamina. Fuck the risk, believe me. A nice guy broke my nose in training sparring. I was 24. Got operated the next day. Since then I got worse memory. I finished my law studies, (but learning felt harder after the incident), I hope I wont have any major problems with my head/brain in the future. I am 32 right now.
Seetsa Molapo Yea I know what u mean but you know as good as me that the LIGHT sparrings become full skill sparrings within seconds too often Dont get me wrong I love boxing and sparring and the skills instincts you learn while sparring
@@HA-no3jh Sure. But that's why you need a coach who can control the intensity of sparring between students. Ego trips don't help anyone. Sparring is all about learning but yea there are some pricks who can't it through their minds and try to spark gym wars
That's EXACTLY why that final hammer blow to guys who are already knocked out should be illegal! The 1st knock out blow is one thing. But when the head slams on the floor on the fall is a whole other type of rock in the brain. But to then have a guy come down and hammer your head on the ground one more type while you're defenseless and already out is straight up attempted murder in my opinion. There is absolutely no reason for that.
There is a reason for that. Sometimes fighters who have been knocked down somehow recover and come back to defeat their opponent who knocked them out. Nobody wants to lose that way. Maybe they are all brain damaged to participate in that insanity.
@ArcoZakus I was in boxing, sir. I go by a different set of rules. No WIN or "embarrassment" is worth taking a persons life. It's chicken shit. There is a reason fighters get so much praise when they show restraint in situations like that. But it's horrible seeing fighters in handicap situations for the rest of their lives for a fight worth a few thousand dollars.
Damn when I think about it there's a chance Ngannou might have given Overeem brain damage and the power his punch had it's most likely Overeem might feel it in just 5 or less lol.
Yeah, not just Ngannou but overall.. Overeem is impressive man, that's all I can tell you, some ko'es that guy experienced and so "little" instant damage (acute injuries). Anyhow.. that guy fights professionally since he is 19. I think he might be the worst case of any fighter ever in max 2 decades from now on.
There is a martial art organization where if you get knocked out cold but beat the count you can still fight. Literally watched a man get KO’d in a scary way and come back like a zombie and nearly knock out the other guy to death. That fighting organization most likely has numerous deaths tagged to it
@@brothertheresa still to this day ive been trying to find it. It was just before youtube Shorts became a big thing a couple years ago but I’ll keep you posted if I find it still
Joe Rogan is a good man. He knows what he is talking about. This is why we need anti-bullying laws. İ went into boxing to defend myself against bullies. Now, I fear that I have brain damage.
Our brains are very fragile. Life without grand mal seizures How lucky I am to be alive. The danger of alcoholism. How lucky I am to have a loving family. How lucky I am to have the things some people will never have.
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Yes, life is rally honest and fair... 😏 More and more and more young people are dying even sooner than their parents nowadays! Life is SHORT, so WHY are they all in such a big hurry to DIE??? 🤔 Better to be OLD, than to NEVER even grow old at all. Being older, simply means that you'll at least be able to reflect back on all of the things and experiences you had in life... At least you can say: "Hey man, I was there at the party! Where was YOU?" Can't really say the same about these youngsters; all dying in like their 20s, and 30s. These days? YOUNGER you are, just means the LONGER you'll SUFFER!!! 😝
Another thing about boxers is half the time they get TKOd or KOd and they stay in the fight so basically they’re fighting after being dazed/flash KOd. Insane, good example in MMA would be what happened to kevin Holland recently with that headbutt.
I 100% agree with joe on developing your childrens fighting skills young even if they do not fight someone it just makes more sense than waiting until later
A concussion is when your brain slams against your skull and causes it to swell and press against the part of the brain cutting off oxygen there are sooooooo many permanent effects to this and I hate when people don’t acknowledge the existence of head trauma and concussions. I have 3 on paper but I know I have more but you get told to “ tough it out I’m sure you just got hit a little hard but you’re ok” so anytime you get hit hard you think that you should just keep going and that you’re overreacting but sometimes you’re not and I appreciate the awareness that is being brought to it now and I understand there’s a gray area with all injuries and stuff but head trauma is the most serious to me.
@@goldenage773 every concussion has permanent damage there are small ones where the damage is fairly unnoticeable but after a few or a major one then yes you will start to have more lasting effects like that getting slower reaction speed and after some major ones you might have a hard time keeping a focus and start zoning out or you’ll have a hard time remembering certain things. Every concussion has an impact that is permanent, the sleep problems vary depending on the level of severity of it may hurt some standard things down the road that you used to be pretty good at. In sports it’s extremely hard to avoid especially in contact sports and it doesn’t necessarily mean you should be scared to play but when you do get one treat it properly with minimal screen time and if any lasting affects are noticeable then speak with someone about it express your concern and research what you can do for yourself. Not that most of us already don’t have it but a very common symptom of last damage from concussions is severe depression and there’s numerous figures in sports that struggle with depression because of concussions
@@coreyway1349 Yeah I think I'm definitely messed up then..I got knocked out a year ago and had a headache for a week. After that I didn't notice anything different but recently I quit smoking weed and now I notice I have to sleep more and if I don't I'm very groggy. I also constantly feel like I have brain fog. I still speak the same and still remember most things. I just don't feel the same. When I got knocked out I wasn't out cold, I just got hit and got up right away and didn't get a headache until the next day. I still remember the whole thing. But yeah, feels like no matter how much rest I get I still feel tired. Probably need to drink way more water as well. Man this sucks.
@@goldenage773 it’s possible there are doctors who can look at it for you but I highly recommend looking up some of the long lasting symptoms and comparing and seeing if you’ve had more problems to compare with
Joe you just made my day,i have had so many people argue with me that Ali's neurological disorder was not Brain damage,well i agree with Joe when he said Ali had Parkinson induced by brain damage disorder.
If you chose to get involved in anything that involves head trauma as an acceptable norm. Whatever happens down the road is your own self induced problem.
I personally take two to three weeks off when I have a headache from sparring and eat fat fish (canned sardines) 2/3 times a week. It's good for the brain. You can use fish oil supplements as well. I will probably transition back to BJJ/judo when my knee heals again in some time because I don't wanna risk CTE. Kickboxing feels good though.
Pretty much if you play any contact or combat sport then your at risk for CTE. Especially in sports like Football, Rugby, Hockey, Boxing, MMA, UCF, and even Lacrosse.
Shit actually haunts me, all the garbage training I’ve been doing. It’s literally “pay to get brain damage” moto. Fucking stupid and you just keep going there because you wanna look like a man, you don’t want to look like a pussy. A whole new appreciation for the pitter patter tippity tappity karate style which i do now
Had to learn to fight, because of the amount of brain damage I’ve taken as a kid. 16 years later i got slammed by my father fresh out of bed. And it took me eight weeks to even just get out of bed, head aches, all my nerves hurt all over my body, I might have been the victor but I took that much damage my body wouldn’t work the way it did. My legs got weaker, my hands now shake all the time, my depth perception went to shit I now experience vertigo everyday snd it was All because he doesn’t know how to cry and has to be violent In order to express himself. but now my body doesn’t work the way it did only eight weeks before. I love to fight but I hate aggression!
Jesus Christ. So you learned to fight because of brain damage your acquired from childhood, then 16 years later your father slammed you fresh out of bed? What the fuck are you trying to say? Try again, this time use basic grammar and sentence structure to make a clear, concise, timeline of events and state dates and times VERY clearly. Frankly, there's no excuse for typing so stupidly, brain damaged or not. You clearly will never recover from this brain damage if you don't atleast try to be literate and eligible. You can sit typing like this all day if you want, it will only make your condition worse, and frankly I really hope it does. See idiots like you allllll day long at my doctor's office. Take it from a neurologist, you are a blooming idiot and deserve whatever slow death is approaching you. You're just another idiot who wastes everyone's time getting advice you'll never use. I've seen this over and over again. You'll whine and pout that you gave yourself head trauma all the while ignoring any advice drs give you, instead you just make it about yourself and your pity. Goodbye.
Being choked unconscious can also cause brain damage. The same for getting slammed on the mat. Any combat sport can be dangerous. Train safe. No need to go 100% during sparring and tap before the snap. Don't try to prove how tough you are.
One of my mom’s friends got a serious concussion during her hockey game. It’s been several years and she still has issues with semi bright lights, loud noises, and sporadic headaches
I graduated high school in a boot camp program called YCP and the first fight I got in was the first time I ever got knocked out in a fight and it was so weird. Felt like I was out for hours but apparently I bounced right back up and kept fighting. Don’t remember anything until we were standing outside the cadres offices
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"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book."
-Smokin Joe Frazier
Ethan Pelland he has one got put up a few years back
No, football, Mma, Soccer, Rugby, Every sport almost
Uh american football has the highest percent of athletes with CTE but sure
Maybe word that a little differently because there are injuries in almost every sport that are having career ending injuries and even death like soccer is a sport I don't really watch much very rarely only when my dad's watching his team and you see these soccer players going up for the ball and you see them hitting each other in the heads and they're both going like as fast as they can cuz they're hustling to get to that bowl and they both knock each other's brains her heads and then you see football players in the NFL American football which is my favorite sport that the helmet doesn't protect the players enough or the padding that they use on certain limbs or anything doesn't protect enough because of the way that a hit forces up specific body part so like if you're coming 100 miles an hour to tackle somebody and you make contact just on their head and neck like you could paralyze the guy you could kill the guy and there was even a case in the NFL where someone died on a special teams play a play where a team kicks the ball to the player and he has to run with it and follow his blockers to try to get as many yards or touched on as you can and someone came down 100 mph in like spear the guy in the head or just contacted his head and neck and he died during that play or later that night or whatever because of it so I would just say like word that a little different maybe say boxing is the only sport that you get your brain shook more than any sport because they're literally taking blows to the face and head like you have one person literally during a whole fight trying to punch you in the face and trying to punch in the head to create damage!
I know that is a quote apparently from Joe Frazier so just edit something after that quote
Your wrong and stupid all combat sports including mma will give you brain damage
“How many times did you get hit and know it damaged your brain ?”
Joe: “oh 100% percent”
Haha I know that was funny when he said that
That’s when you knwo you got it
CTE confirmed
Lmao that part almost felt like a sketch
Explains a lot! lol
A good story I heard was from michael Bisping after Dan henderson knocked him out cold at UFC 100. Bisping says that he was in the back room after the fight and didn’t know he’d already fought. He thought he was getting ready for the fight and his team had to tell him about 5 times that he’d just been knocked out. If that’s not brain damage then I don’t know what is 🧠 💣
Yep, I've talked to kids who kept asking me why I won't let them continue to fight? They had no idea I stopped the bout a minute ago!
@@retiredboxingref7620 your name is very fitting
Former K1 champion Tetsuya Yamato told the exact same story, he got knocked out by the legendary Saenchai and the memory of that fight just gone, he ended remember nothing about it and thought he haven't fought yet.
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Honestly, that sort of reaction is not that concerning. The scary stuff is all long term. People wake up from surgery (none of which was on their brain) and they are often just as confused. I've been knocked out in a car crash (don't know how long I was out but it wasn't more than a minute or so). I still don't remember the crash or the 5min or so before. I was just as confused waking up in a car that was now in a corn field... I tried turning the car off (it was certainly not running). I had tons of tests run on me and had no long-term impact on my brain at all. Your brain deals with trauma often times by suppressing the memory of the trauma (at least this is what many professionals told me).
@@Telthar that’s an interesting perspective. Being knocked out like that can’t be too good for the old melon 🍈 Good to hear you’re doing well tho now mate 👍🏼
If you get concussion in F1 they won't let you drive for 3 months because a second concussion in that time can cause irreversible damage. American contact sportsmen just seem to dive back in right away(e.g American Football). It's pretty horrific when you think about it.
Craig Sips NHL hockey is usually pretty good about treating concussions
Muhammad Baig I hope you are not joking
I think the scariest concussions happen from pop warner through college. I’ve seen some disgusting knockouts in football but half the time you don’t feel anything after taking a break so you go back in I remember high school was a little more strict on concussions but back during them 10 to 13 age you got kids getting blasted it’s insane.
They didn't used to be though.
Yea thats why UFC fighters dont fight more than 3 times per year
After hearing off these head traumas and brain damages I'll probably just settle for ju jitsu
Conor McGrath combat jiu jitsu ;)
Wrestling is also pretty safe.
Conor McGrath Jujitsu is boring though. Knowone wants to watch that shit.
You may think that, but it's incredibly effective, even in real life situations.
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Same with a good skill in wrestling. Grappling itself is a great art to know in physical situations.
In the next 40 years we'll see the true effects of brain damage in MMA
Why does it need to be so long. Sometimes common sense is all that is needed.
@@mcseedat Common sense is pretty uncommon.
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@@mcseedat I remember reading in MMA forums a lot of denial, saying that because they don’t have long rounds, more grappling, and rarely have true knockouts, that CTE would be rare and not an issue. This was in 2010 or so; now people talk openly about mma fighters having CTE.
It’s already there in boxing
After I got my first concussion from sparring, I seriously backed off from sparring for months. Used to do it 3-4 times a week, now I do it once every couple months, and I go light. It's not worth your future health. Once you feel that fuzzy, dumb concussed state, you realize how serious it is.
Same situation here bro. Gonna skip a few sparring sessions and start taking my defense seriously.
Well they believe now the most important factor is recovery. So you're going about it the right way. The worst way to go is when you're concussed to take repeated hits and pile on. It's the equivalent of going running with a broken leg. I believe that's why Chris Benoit was in such a bad state because he'd get a concussion and continue to wrestle taking hits all the time.
@@hgod7329 I used to spare heavy and not care what I took because for my lightweight I had one hell of a jaw from growing up being stomped out and jumped and never got knocked out or even dazed. Then I took shrooms and me and 3 other men through a 350lbs metal gate and the 2 last bars wacked me back to back to the part of my skull where it curves out. and I felt that closing tunnel vision and you literally clench your fists to stay up (I heard it from karate and kickboxing to do that to prevent yourself from going completely out) I was barley able to stand and fell over to prevent myself from falling down that cliff and I legit couldnt stand. From then on i realized how bad a head injury can be (i was lucky to just get that concussion) and have been actively against any kind of striking or slamming hard because if you're not being paid or in a life or death situation theres absolutely no need to potentially ruin your brain.
Young Insperation it can be awhile man, I’ve been recovering from my 2nd concussion for a little over a year now
How hard do you have to be hit for brain damage/CTE to occur? I’ve just started sparring in Muay Thai and most people go light but occasionally a few “hard hitters”. Is mild discomfort when getting hit enough to cause it? Do you have be be knocked out for brain damage to occur?
It took me more than 10 years to overcome a concussion I had when I was 17.
I couldn't even speak a sentence immediately after like my mouth and brain were out of synch.
so sorry to hear how did the concussion happen did you have to do physical therapy?
I had one and couldn't do simple math for 3 m
I started boxing 3 months ago and have recently had a couple of sparring sessions against my coaches/guys who have been training for between 5 and 10 years.
Yesterday, I pretty much got beat up by one of them. And at the end of the session I took a fully loaded straight right. It was the first single punch I've ever taken that actually had an effect on me.
I wasn't seeing stars or confused as to where I was but my left eye was going in and out of focus for about 30 minutes after the punch and I had a light headache for about two hours after.
Do you think there is any chance whatsoever that I could have suffered any permanent brain injury from this?
I love boxing but I will absolutely quit sparring/fighting if things like this are going to give me permanent brain injuries.
@Espada kurosaki You thinking about stopping sparring/fighting?
I love sparring but I know the smart choice would be to stop.
@@jacobbehm5941 I do sparring and the same happened to me but I went to a doctor in thi end it was OK buy if is hurt you so much you should go to a med
God. I want to learn MMA, but the brain damage stories and studies are making me hesitant
I've been doing it for almost 2 years now and I wouldn't get immediately discouraged if I were you. If you just want to be "competent" at MMA (NOT an Amateur Fighter) then you can do that in a relatively safe manner. But it depends on A) your sparring partners B) your instructor and C) your commitment. So naturally a lot of it comes down to finding the right kind of Gym and there are a lot of gyms that do it the wrong way as Joe Rogan explains it (especially back in the day). But I think many MMA coach's today understand that most people are not trying to become professional fighters and just want to understand basic self defense. So be vocal with your coach as to what your goals are and if he thinks you need to get knocked unconscious a few times to get better then walk away. Of course you should expect to get smacked across the head a few times but so long as these are not knockout punches then you should be relatively okay. But on the off chance you run into an asshole or a training accident then STOP, RELAX, Listen to your Body and Return to the Octagon when you're ready. This is what I've personally done and I've never suffered a concussion or anything overly traumatic. And I don't want to gloat too much but I've definately learned a lot. There is no rank in MMA but I did get my blue belt in BJJ and I'm not a badass or anything like that but I do feel as if I could take out the average asshole in a 1v1 situation.
life short, just say fck it and go for it
Try to find a gym that does light sparring. And tbh, the threshold for each person is different when it comes to head trauma. For me, a few light strikes in quick succession during sparring is enough to give me a light headache for a few days. Others can take multiple full-power blows without feeling anything the next day.
the disappointed koala with smart training and controlled training partners you should be able to learn without taking major damage
@@jtomczak100 yeah, make it even shorter
Joe "I have the most minor of brain damages" Rogan
This comment so underrated
This explains his support towards Brennan Schwabb
Why did i read this comment exactly at the moment Joe said this? 😆
Wow I read this exactly when he said this
Artur Spilka and Dominic Brezeale for sure have brain damage from Wilders ko’s
I talked to a neurologist and he said sometimes people can take up to a few years to recover from a head injury. This can be reversed with eating fats, sleep, and doing something like dance lessons to improve neuron connectivity.
TBI and CTE are two different things but can be POTENTIALLY related. It's weird because you have guys like Joe (and my 60yo uncle who has over 50 kickboxing fights) and they're very cognitive, healthy, and smarter than the average person. xD
Anyways, I think grappling will become much more popular because of the knowledge we have about brain damage lol
The old guy's have a good defense that's why they're still good
i think it has too do with who takes more damage
Joe definitely has damage if you listen closely. He forgets a lot of basic things and his ability to recall accurate info is really poor. Gets things muddled a lot. He def took a lot of damage.
@@jamieldn To be honest Joe also smokes weed and does Dmt. And there is a big difference between being brain damaged and dumb.
@@Basethagod THe brain heals, our bodies heal... CTE is actually not common even among combat athletes, having said that of course there will be an increased risk of it when you box or spar really hard. Some people basically are walking around no problem like mike tyson or holyfield. But CTE is the least of you concern they have better health care and treatment available now than even 5 years back, even without illegal punches you can end up like prichard colon and be bed bound and unable to move. One wrong collision of the brain can lead to swelling or if worse bleeding...
My brother got knocked out when he was 23 or 24 by 3 mma fighters ganging up on him. When he was down they kept kicking him in the head over and over like 20 or 30 times when he was uncontious. Got staples in his head and everything. Started having seizures shortly there after. He's 32 now and has been battling it for a long time now. He gets a really bad episodes every 6 months, but they haven't been accuring as much as they used to, thank god. But he is slower mentally than he used to be and sleeps alot more bc of the pills he takes and rest is good for his brain. Brain damage over time from repeated head injury is real!! To this day I wish I was older back then, and would have been able to do somthing about the situation. Take care of ur brain. Most important organ.
What happened to these people?
@@John-kk8gi they each got like 1 month in the county or less. Which is bullshit. Justice hasn't been served yet. I guess we can sue em. But it's more likely that ima take justice into my own hands if u get what I'm sayin.
@@wyattfields6896 incredibly stupid idea, dont ruin your life over misguided revenge.
Why did they gang up on him? Getting your ass kicked by one would be bad enough, but 3?!
Get your brother on high dose fish oil. Google Barry Sears, fish oil, tbi
some of the UFC fighters are going to have a lot of brain trauma.
Not the wrestle fucks. Jk in all seriousness hopefully very little of them do.
@@robloxgod6945 GSP might. Hes taken a lot of hits despite his wrestle fucking lmao. But for real I hope everyone comes out ok, I'm sure they'll all have a slight slur but probably nothing real serious for the most part. Aka guys... idk man they spar hard and alof
I think theyll be ok because theres no ten count if youre in danger its over im mma boxing you get chances
@@CALIFORNIAsGAMER exactly. That's why a lot more boxers have died in competition than mma fighters. The knockdown rule fucks people with heart over if you really think about it. They're just gonna keep on getting back up until they actually die or it's been 3 times in one round
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That’s why boxing is more dangerous then MMA for head trauma. Yes, MMA knockouts are more severe. But once your wobbled your usually KOed so it’s not that bad. In boxing you get more head shots and get wobbled for frequently.. but you keep fighting until you drop
TJay Enterprises Yea this has been proven already
Like someone else said. In Mma the rules are if you get TKO'd they call it of. Whilst in boxing if you don't throw in the towel and or get taken down 3 times in one round and the 10 secound count then you can continue. In the ring you turn of higher brain functions. Just fighting. No thought of your well being or so.
A K.O. is a K.O. A boxing glove of a kick to the head?
Yeah i was just watching that Tyson vs Holyfeild 1 fight, and jesus christ, holyfeild was beating the shit out of mike right before the stoppage, and all i was thinking was in Boxing, this is what getting the shit beat out of you is, just taking incredible damage to the head by great punchers, there probably isn't any fighting sport that is consistently worse in regards to long lasting damage than Boxing.
@@BigAssNigga311 Legs are stronger than arms, F**k kicks to the head! But if you like that....
My PhD work is on traumatic brain injury. Brain injuries are 100% real from combat sports. Even the small hits add up
Andrew I had one concussion with LOC 2 mins. Is this a lifelong thing?
Hey dude i have a question about tbi
opinion on bjj and brain injuries ?
oh man I'm going to BJJ class in 30 minutes lol. I think relatively safer than striking because of the lower frequency of hits to the head. But then also, one giant head slam could end everything@@disqid6121
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taylad how high were you when you decided to post this lmao 😂
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This is absolutely true. I didn't develop specific and most extreme symptoms until about 10 years after having a severe Traumatic Brain Injury. Now life has become a challenge I never would have imagined could have come about
Sorry to hear it mate .. I had brain injury in 2015 an had a couple of concussions since an feel fine at moment ..I guess I will get back tonu in a few years
@@beestonpoet how you feeling today man? How bad was your brain injury if you don’t mind me asking
@@beestonpoet2024 almost 10 years
I was in a car accident nearly 20 years ago where I rolled my vehicle 8 times, and my head hit on the grass field separation between interstate lanes at least 5 times. I still feel the effects today, and now and then they are horrible. I can't imagine what boxers go through...I have terrible hours or days...they must have terrible weeks or months.
Please can you explain the horrible days?
@@JamieD247 Irritability, short term memory loss, headaches, information overload, and then feeling like it got erased like a dry erase board. There are things I know, for example, watching Jeopardy....that I can't bring forward. It's all very frustrating.
Also, Joe mentions more and more concussions. The post effects get progressively worse with each concussion.
@@aalekhine5109 i got all this too but it was because of drugs when i was 17, 18... now im 23 going to my first muay thai fight but im scared to get hit in the head cant even lie
@@ryancairns2099 It was....got my wheels off the road just a bit and drove back on to the interstate. My wheels caught the side of the road and sent me into the spin.
This means Wilder has ruined 40 lives even if they don't know it yet
Yeah definitely. You don't play boxing or kickboxing.
I Ref'd a Wilder fight
in Cincinnati in 2009, and he rocked the kid...
Even now I'm sure there was cumulative damage.
Wilder is damaged himself. He gets hit a lot until he scores the big fight-ending right hand.
@@bradleyrobinson7552 That's true, it's accumulative too. Slick box and move fighters fair better, as while caught on occasion, they don't accumulate so much.
Retired BoxingRef Wilder rocked the kid? The kid or Wilder have cumulative damage?
I think Wilder is showing signs in his speech now.
A friend of dads who was NZ lightweight champion , lived down rd ended up with alzeimers before he died at about 68 .His wife reckoned it was his boxing yrs. It was sad, he was a good man, good to us as kids and a hard worker in fruit and vege trade.
"People knocked each other out all the time" now thats some serious sparing
Yep. Some gyms were like that. Some probably still are.
Googlar
Many are in SoCal
I literally saw this comment as he said it
Seems like a lot of boxing gyms are like that tho jus spartan mentality
I give out cte for breakfast lmao. all out sparring is the only way to become great. conquer those beneath you or end up a vegetable
I once saw a guy get one punched in primary school. He waddled back and then dropped like a bag of potato's. It was shocking. My primary school was a toxic shark tank.
nice fellas
If you think the boxing 8 count's bad. Reminder that in Lethwei when a fighter gets ko'd, his corner is allowed 2 minutes to revive him to keep fighting and it gets marked as a knockdown. Could you imagine the ramifications of that happening multiple times over dozens of fights sometimes multiple times in under 30 minutes
yeah those bastards are crazy
Those corner men are just like the cockfighting guys. They put a fighter in and keep him active as long as they can knowing it will likely die after the match. Those fighters are disposable
I remember seeing our running back after a high school football game. He was obviously concussed and thought that we were on our way to prom. He played the next week. It was the first game of the season.
Yeah football can really mess up your brain at any level. I think the head to head collisions is something that you don't really see in other sports, but it can happen multiple times in one football game. Its a great sport but the dangers of it are very real
And his LAST... 💀
Actually competing in combat sports you'll have to not only accept you'll take damage but realize you'll be inflicting damage.
I genuinely think most people in contact sports love the fact that they're squarely responsible for the pain they've caused to the other people.
If you cared one bit about human life, you wouldn't want to be responsible for causing that kind of damage.
@@classydays43 ignorant comment
@@classydays43 >If you cared one bit about human life, you wouldn't want to be responsible for causing that kind of damage.
That's nonsense.
@@woosh2055 If someone asks you to pummel their face in and cause irreparable damage to their brain and body, are you going to do that just because they asked you to or because you wanted an avenue to do that kind of thing? Either way is stupid.
@@classydays43 You clearly know nothing about combat sports and the people who participate in them. You're just rationalizing your assumptions.
Who'd have guessed:
brain trauma leads to brain damage?
just died
NO WAY!?!?
yea but muscle microtrauma leads to strengthening of it.
@@fahadbutt1104 Except muscle cells and brain cells are entirely different in thers function and make up. Muscle cells are specialised for endurance, our brain cells are not!!
You don’t say
My eye doctor was looking into my eyes and said "You've had had some serious head trauma" Amazed me she could see that thru my eyes. I've been knocked out twice in motorcycle accidents.
How can they tell? I have difficulty concentrating visually after some head injuries is that a sign?
@@vlsr71 I can’t remember what tool she was using when she told me. I think it was that very bright, blinding light, that looks like a light Sabre (or light bar) She runs it back and forth inch’s from your eyeball. It’s hard to keep your eyes open because it’s so bright. It lets them see the back of your eyeball. That’s where she saw the damage. I have floaters also but that’s from old age. I’m 61. I’d have it checked out and ask them to check for that out for you. I was just in for new glasses. She replaced my old optometrist who’ve I’ve had since the early 80s after he retired. He never mentioned that I had head injuries in all those years I’ve seen him. Maybe she’s a better doctor? Ive been knocked out fighting multiple bouncers in bars also. Oh those younger years 🤕 They don’t play buy the rules and fight one on one.
@@jamesbarron1202 if only we knew then what we know now🤷
A nice way to say your eyes are further apart?
Prichard Colons was a boxer who fought Terrell Williams, who used rabbit punches to hit Prichard at the back of the head a total of 45 times during the fight. After the match, Prichard collapsed in his room, vomited, and went into a coma for 221 days. Sadly, he has remained in a vegetative state since then, and it's been seven years since the incident. This was a devastating event for Prichard and his loved ones. Terrell Williams is widely regarded as one of the most disliked boxers due to the harm he caused Prichard.
using ChatGPT to write a comment about a vegetative boxer is crazy
@@3n3j0t4 I don't see anything wrong in it. This is not an essay writing competition. Why are you so salty about it?
@@Chaddest_Maximus he lazily copy and pasted an AI generated comment?
@@3n3j0t4 man you must live a miserable life
I think the main issue is hard sparring. If you’re getting concussed infrequently - maybe once or twice a year when you fight that’s probably not the end of the world. Getting rocked every other week in sparring however…
Make sure you find the right gym. If you’re getting encouraged to spar hard - especially if you’re just a hobbyist - it’s time to leave
well dont spar at all man lol
@@yavuz9038 bro you need some form of sparring to build timing and to use what you’ve learn against a moving target that fights bakc
@@raidiohead44 are you a fighter? If you are doing it as amateur there is no reason to spar, dont fight, if you wanna fight do grapling, it's not worth getting punched for no reason man. Fight for something that's worth it, get punched for something that's worth it otherwise it's too dangerous even light sparring is dangerous. People also think it is okay getting kicked in the head in sparring, well it's not lol sparring is not worth it at all.
@@yavuz9038 i agree bro, i want to learn martial arts but without sparring, cause i only use it as a hobby to keep me in shape, i dont want to risk my brain health.
man u are right i fought 4 fights in mma but i was only once rocked in the gym and my coach called my spaaring partner a dickhead he tells us to go fast not hard and thats the thing we do yeah man if in one year u get 4 fight and get rocked 10 times or so then its damaging but not killing
In 10 years Chuck Liddell won’t be able to walk
He is already starting to stutter
@@pratik1568
I was a big Liddell fan, but that Rashad Evans punch took off 20 years. Thought he was dead when it landed. Sounded like a gun shot when it landed.
Damn.
Robert Klein now look at rashad
The irony of learning martial arts is, in trying to protect yourself, you end up getting hit a lot more than people who never bothered to learn it
You dont have to get hit to get good at punching and kicking
@@killergreek55how would you learn to defend yourself if you do sparr
@@Qwxiq you don't have to get hit to train kicks and punches
@@killergreek55 when you train, you gotta simulate a real fight, in this case you could get more that few hits just to learn. Otherwise, your training is useless.
Joe spinning elk kick to the liver Rogan.
Haha spinning elk kick :)
I had a close friend who was sucker punched at the top of a hill, falling back from a punch AND hitting his head from a 7ft backwards drop. Total change in personality for about a year, finishing in suicide. I strongly suspect his brain injury leading to his suicide. The glory of combat is strong but the implications of brain injury is just too much
That’s scary and sad. Dam
Ye i got sucker Palm punched like those slap contest where people get knocked out but it was more like a rlly strong Palm Strike to the side of my head. Been battling suicide ever since, no1 truly understands the Gravity of Brain damage until they go through it. i couldnt walk a straight line for a week since my right side of Brain got so messed up, kept falling to the left side. But the worst has to be the Extreme fatigue and 24/7 stress you get from it. If its serious enough you get so weak that just to be standing or in sit position becomes a chore.
I’ve been training for 14 years. It’s just one of those unfortunate things that come with it. It’s playing with fire.
man, it is not worthwhile, going to BJJ
@@suzukisuzuki8176 or go max holloway way, saving the chickens
Yeargh, ribs SMASHED IN and teeth KNOCKED OUT!!! 👊
Me - Car accident at age 19, started to take anti-depressants at 28, now im 30 struggling with alcohol and anti depressions .. Fuk
Have you gotten a brain scan and treatment?
@@justindailey7488 i have been getting help but the real help was when i got married and had kids, now i have something to work hard for and the drinking got alot less, but still shifting between xanax, valium and lexotanil
@@nareeeely that’s good to hear man. You should get a brain scan. Or if you’re pretty sure you have a TBI(brain injury) try taking Fish Oil as it’s been proven to help repair those types of injuries.... also drugs like psilocybin and ayahuasca(DMT is the active ingredient) have had very positive effects for some
Yeargh, ribs SMASHED IN and teeth KNOCKED OUT!!! 👊
I agree with Joe, my grandfather used to be an amateur boxer and he landed up getting Parkinsons as well. Punch induced Parkinsons is real
The most important thing in combat sports especially boxing is learning to hit and not get hit, alot of people become hesitant after hearing the effects of getting knocked out, so am I, sometimes I actually become hesitant and say to myself if it's worth going into boxing to save my little brothers the pain of being poor or bullied but the difference is it's about head movement and footwork even if it doesn't give fight fans the spectacular fight everyone wants to see, it doesn't matter, because they're not the ones putting their life on the lines to fight and make money, so it DOES not matter if you don't base your combat strategy on just wild or power shots, it's ok to fight more defensively and not just throw a mass amount of punches to look more threatening because at the end of the day you're a fighter putting your life on the line and no one can tell you how to fight, it's better to fight in way that suited YOU and your health, not some fat fuck who watches fights and expects to see bloodshed in each fight.
I do hope this comment can spread awareness or get some attention so people can know that head movement and footwork is what will prevent brain damage the MOST and that you should fight the way it suits you, not other people.
Alejandra Mendez bro totally agree with everything you said ✊🏾💯🙏🏾 that’s style I use a defensive hit and don’t get hit even though I have power in both hands I don’t rely on knockouts I just box and don’t get hit
As a fighter I 100% agree with you
@Thelonious Coltrane actually, allthough I don't like him Floyd Mayweather didn't even go down less knocked out in all of his 50 fights
Learn to roll punches, train footwork and head movements, and build up your speed, stamina and reflexes. Anything, ANYTHING you can do to minimise and prevent damage. These are some suggestions from a random person on the internet, stay safe out there and look after yourself, it's a cruel sport.
“Combat sports”
Aka getting away with crimes
These guys know what they are getting into. These guys love what they do and would not be happy doing something else. I loved to box when i was a kid but i ended up being a laborer. I wished i had pursued boxing
J Bond how old are u m8?
@@jbond9637 you wouldnt have gone pro. sorry.
Jp not every boxer loved the sport. Suger ray Robinson said in an interview he didn't like boxing. He did it for the money
I remember seeing a video about Troy Aikman. He was playing a playoff game vs the 49ers and in one of the last quarters he got knocked out. They took him to the locker rooms to get checked out and everything and he asked what happened, they told him he was at the game and got hit hard. He asked if they won. They told him they did. Then he asked if he played good. They told him they did. But they said the same conversation was repeated about five times. Scary stuff.
But now Troy is a Color Commentator and does not to seem to have any memory loss.
Joe “KABLANGGGGGG” Rogan
He makes those weird noises all the time
you tried
@@davidignatiusanyaeche8101 my very best
Sports are different these days. If they were this obsessed over brain injuries when I played soccer, I probably would have had to sit out my entire high school career on concussion protocol. The amount of times I went up for a header and collided with another guy or hit the ball with my temple trying to direct it... I'd love to have my brain scanned to see what the impact has truly been. I'd get super dizzy and/or my ears would be ringing, coach would look at me and ask "You okay?", I would say yeah I'm good coach and go right back to playing lol.
When your young, your dumb enough to willingly endure the damage, when you get older your wise enough to realize the damage, and avoid it.
Watched a documentary about Gerald McClellan last night...former boxing champ whos now blind and mostly deaf. Has almost no memory of his past or career and struggles to understand simple sentences. Truly tragic. So sad how people forget about these guys. Was a Don King promoted fighter and he earned millions. He's broke and barely getting by now...
Oh well. The guy killed dogs.
@@floorbored3128 right...anyway. thanks for sharing.
It's still shocking that Brendan's came on almost immediately
my dad did boxing in communist Romania from the age for 14 to around 29,today he is 68 years old. he struggles with memory loss and confusion,sometimes he does things without actually knowing what he is doing. grandpa also did boxing in his youth,died at 86 and had dementia. i never did boxing ´,but the point is a lot of people I've been speaking with about my dad and grandpa`s conditions,all said to me that boxing is to blame. Our general physician told us that dad will only get worse as he will age because of the hits he took to the head.
Joe "they know, but I don't know how they know" Rogan
3:31 one of the scariest moment of my life was getting knocked out. I was sparring my friend and he kept saying he wasnt into it so I made a joke about his girlfriend, put my hands down, and he hit me..all I remember is going board stiff and my vision closing like elevator doors. I still remember the look of horror my friend had as he grabbed me to help me onto the ground.
trash friend if you ask me
You still having side effects from that a year later or what?
I was in a parking lot and slipped on snow or ice trying to get in my car. The next thing I know is the cashier from store was asking me if I was OK. I assume I knocked my self out because when I said yes, he looked at me crazy. He said he wanted to call for an ambulance. I told him no and drove away. I was embarrassed at first. As I started driving I knew who I was but had absolutely no clue where I lived. It took 15 minutes of driving before I remembered. That scared the shit out of me. I called my dad (I lived alone) and told him to make sure to check on me that night. Was afraid to go to sleep.
Thats not good dude, not good at all. Forgetting something like that is fucked.
@@gabago0l Yes, it was honestly the scariest moment of my life! No BS, I was in a suburb that I lived near for 40+ years but for the life of me, could not remember where I lived!!!
If anyone who reads this EVER gets a head injury, please call 911 or a loved one or friend and tell them exactly what happened!
Seriously, Bob Saget from "Full House" was found in his hotel room deceased and had head trauma. Now it is possible that he was murdered, but at the time was completely healthy and could have just slipped in the shower, hit his head, and figured that he would be OK. Please, don't EVER go to sleep or brush off a fall where you hit your head, especially if you lose consciousness!!!
Embarrassment is NOTHING, your life and welfare is what ultimately matters.
When I was in the 8th grade, me and my friends rode our bikes to school, which was about 5 miles away. On the way there I tried to do a trick by jumping over something and knocked myself out cold. We still had about 3 miles to the school. I remember various parts. I went from jumping my bike to being inside a mcdonalds trying to buy breakfast, like I fast traveled there, I spilled my change all over the floor of the mcdonalds trying to pay. Then I remember telling my friends while we were riding through a neighborhood "Look at that apple house", "its a big apple" and they were very confused. Then I remember being in front of my locker and I couldnt remember my code and just stayed there staring at my locker and a teacher called my dad and I went to the hospital to get a brain scan. And the worst part was my dad didnt want me riding my bike to school that day because he had a bad feeling but i begged and begged and he reluctantly let me go.
Joe Rogan: “I have no brain damage..”
“That’s good...”
Joe Rogan: “....Have I told you about quake? It’s a greeeaat game!”
I've been diagnosed with CTE stage 2. I rode horses and bulls my whole life and can't tell you how many times I've had to gather my chickens and I go through hell daily. Noone can imagine what it's like. All I can say is wear a helmet no matter what you are doing. I can't remember shit. But I can tell you everything till I turned 19 then it's like dreaming only way I can explain it. Everyday is a challenge not to snap
Did you fall off the horse and land on your head constantly
@@kennethxtam I was a professional bull rider from 94 till 08. Yeah I fell off a few times.
@@brianwilliams2906 not to mention all the shaken on the bull got your brain moving around the skull
@@twondagreat8893 doesn’t matter now really. Doesn’t matter if I was playing football or a Jokey in the Kentucky Derby fact is I have it and I’m 48 now and can’t leave home can’t get any help to have insurance or anything like that. So going to a doctors office is out cause I can’t afford it. I’m screwed till something bad happens. And it’s going to happen matter of time.
@@brianwilliams2906 you're right my bad....I've suffered from depression and ADHD so I'm always kinda sad, angry or impulsive, so I can't imagine what you're going through
The main issue is the accumulated collisions, effectively like having thousands of mini car crashes. So actually contact sports (while less brutal) will have a far increased risk of long term brain injuries than combat sports. So basically playing Rugby, American Football or Hockey etc. Yet you would have never thought this when playing as a kid.
Yep exactly. NFL has done a good job at managing concussions ~ 20% drop in them. But those regular sub concussive hits are the ones that does you in.
I got my first concussion yesterday during boxing sparring. At the beginning of the sparring, the teacher made it clear that it was supposed to be light and not strong, after doing the first sparring, everything went well, I was just taking some strong punches to the stomach.
The second sparring was with a veteran who had had amateur fights... it was clear that I wasn't hitting to hurt and not with all my strength, however, the first punch he hit me knocked me down, he threw a very strong left cross. strong. He saw that he had hurt me and asked for forgiveness for hitting me so hard... I was naive and believed that it might not have been intentional... and then he hit me even harder with a right to the temple. My legs buckled, everything started spinning and I couldn't breathe.
To date, I still feel a bit of headache, confusion, the urge to vomit, and a lot of anger at myself for being so naive. I didn't tell my girlfriend, family and friends. Combat sports are no joke, don't spar hard if you don't intend to become a professional fighter, don't take brain damage for nothing.
I packed up boxing because they discovered after every fight I had concussion. Then horse riding accident , then motor bike accident when I lost the feeling on the right hand side of my head. I’m now 76 and am fine so every case is different
How many fights did you have?
💯
I'll get my kid in to wrestling and BJJ. Hell no to football, MMA, Muay thai, boxing or any stricking/sparring martial art.
You should still get him Into a striking class of some sort, it's a myth that most fights go to the ground
ranger10301 its not a myth if its not a super fast fight it’s probably going to get to a grappling situation its just human nature
@Left on third base holding a catcher's mitt my survival instincts make me want to punch not grab
I'd definitely have them in Muay Thai classes for the pad/bag work. It would definitely be beneficial and there's no fear of any brain damage.
ranger10301 not a myth
There are 7 year olds in Thailand head kick koing each other all the time.
What the fuck man lmao
And then there's Lethwei where you get knocked out in a fight and continue the fight after 2 minutes
that's why thailand is a 3rd world shithole #MAGA
clycoo5276 Americas not much better😂 riots and people getting shot everyday
Thats why there country is still living in swamps brother.
I remember in middle school playing football a teammate got absolutely rocked on a slant route. They took him out for a concussion, this is 12 years ago so there was protocols set. I went to ask him how he was and what he said made no sense. It was like he wasnt even there. I quit after that season lol
Yeargh, ribs SMASHED IN and teeth KNOCKED OUT!!! 👊
Khabib is probably the only guy to be one of the GOATS and retire without minimal Brian damage
Was just thinking that lol
It'd okay, he was born with brain damage.
@@paulgreengod the guy can speak 5 languages with a college degree and still one the best in his sport and retired young without taking that much damage i would say hes one of the smartest fighters in mma history
@@chakir348 learn to take a joke muhammad
I got knocked unconscious from hitting my head on the ground, after 5 to 10mins of being awake again I went blind and was rushed to hospital. I was awake but completely unable to see anything for what seemed like a long time (probably ~15mins). I had a broken collar bone as well as concussion. Definitely lost a few brain cells that time. My dad fell out of a car when he was a kid which caused a head injury, my grandparents reckoned he was never quite the same afterwards.
Can you see now?
And that’s why Floyd mayweather jr is a genius
He has still taken hits to the face. Albeit not many and he wasn't knocked out ever.
@@thisguy976 hes undefeated, the richest athlete in the world, and has no signs of brain damage. Yet people still hating 😭
@@prodrt1 he doesn’t have a single one? He probably has way less than everyone else in his profession but I don’t see how he can’t have a single one. Especially if he fought for so long
He still can’t read
A blood test reveals brain damage nowadays, though not to what extent the damage is. There's a particular protein created when a person takes trauma to the brain, and the blood test detects that particular protein.
tau protein, its markers can be tested on blood levels and it has direct evidence of accumulating in blood after lot of hits in sparring or fights.
I doubt boxing 46 amateur contests helped, But I have deteriorated in the past decade after being kicked unconscious and stamped on until my head was blue. Depression Anger and dizziness and headaches. Gonna see those 3 dudes in the next life
This is crazy I done a lot of amateur boxing but I got jumped by 4 guys walking home from a club with a girl.. I got knocked out cold and repeatedly kicked in the head on the floor.. since then I’ve suffered from severe anxiety attacks.. depression.. mood swings.. headaches, dizziness.. long life to you bro
@@JamieD247 PTSD with Long lasting symptoms and injuries ✊❤️You are strong and stronger than you think xx
@@JamieD247 how you now Jamie? Ive heard great things about psilocybin.
damn i slammed the back off my head on cement a few years ago and i just got up so ima feel it in about the next 7 years prob
This makes sense as to why Shane Mosley just randomly had a hard time talking and whatnot like he was punch drunk. One moment he was all good, then I seen an interview with him talking like that out of nowhere.
I wonder how much damage I've done to myself in drunken fits
Yea me too. I wonder if when I passed out drunk if i ever slammed my head. Kinda scary to think about lol
You would probably have felt it after awhile. I’ve done boxing and that shit feels odd
Joe "6:29" Rogan
Hahahahahahaha
It ain’t just knockouts..it’s when you get your bell rung when you spar that does the damage. It’s a weird feeling to describe unless you’ve felt it. Boxing is the worst..transitioning from Muay Thai to boxing did damage
Just got rocked yesterday like that
Rogan talks about boxing and I had the same experience. In college, I'm part of this martial arts club and I think I'm the S__t. But the University Boxing team worked out in the same gym and when they would come in, we got kicked out. However, I started to stick around and eventually i was able to get in the ring. Now, martial arts, where you could kick the legs, sweep, I was pretty good. Boxing? I got my butt kicked constantly. I sucked. It was a big wake up call. Thankfully, I was a girl and a few years later, I just quit because the boys I was sparing with got too big, too strong, too fast. I was like ok, this sucks, I'm out. lol.
i had always went light with girls even if they go 80% i need to go 10% or they get hurt.but i had heard of some gyms that dont care if its a girl or not its war lmao
I’ve put off getting any scans because I’m really terrified of hospitals and the thoughts of this getting worse as I get older but I’ve had a couple of what I call really minor issues ever since me and my Dad was jumped by a load of thugs. One of the thugs smashed me around the back of the head with a Lambrini bottle and I remember it being so hard that it felt like my eyes popped. Apparently I managed to carry on trying to defend me and my dad. I don’t remember that at all. It was hours after the whole thing I felt like my body was shutting down. I remember that bit like yesterday. Really strange feeling.
Thankfully my Dad was ok and managed to get hold of a couple of them.
I’ve been hit in the head many times with generally being an adventurous kid. I now have long hair to cover the disgusting scars.
There’s so many horrible and currently incurable diseases that worry me but ironically I’ll happily go and do my job testing and developing vehicles without any fear at all.
The Spencer Fisher story brought me here, it is sad what happened to him, I wish the best for him and his family, he is going through a rough time right now, if anybody wants to know what I'm talking about read the article, it's called the price of being the king and it's about Spencer fishers fighting career and the head trauma he's dealing with
Prichard Colon brought me here.
"Save your chickens" "Brain" - Max Halloway. On hard sparing and full contact, before getting into the the actual fight.
George Foreman took so many punches in his comeback , because he was too slow to dodge punches, that he by all rights should have scrambled eggs for brains. Instead he's sharp as a tack ,a great boxing analyst and public speaker who lectures at universities and he's an extremely wealthy and successful businessman
Your point is? Are you honestly dumb people can smoke cigarettes and live till 70 with no lung cancer It doesn't change the fact that it's bad for you just cause one person happens to be lucky
@@brotothewilliams9890 my point was pretty clear , shitwad. Nobody is suggesting that boxing isnt dangerous and can cause dementia. I just said it didn't affect George Foreman that way , which is odd because he was in some of the hardest battles ever fought in the ring. Looks like you're the one who is dumb
@@abelincoln5698 lol
@Geovany Franco I guess it does. But I can't think of any other heavys who have been in battles like Foreman who don't at least show some sign of motor skill decline or something. Tyson is pretty sharp still , Lennox got out while his brain was still in good condition. But those are exceptions and neither of them fought nearly as many rounds as GF
It’s probably came down to genetics in foreman’s case that beast of a fighter definitely had some genetic luck it’s either that or he just had steel plates implanted in his skull
Rugby and rugby league players i watched in the 80s and 90s are all coming out with dementia etc
The amount of times their head got smashed when they were playing is astounding. Its so sad.
I've trained for my whole life but stopped wanting to compete when I realized how good looking I am
Being concussed feels like being drunk and high 24/7 but like not the fun drunk and high, like the hungover and dumb drunk and high
Sleep deprivated also, felt like I was high af
I was knocked out flipping a bike at fourteen. That explains all the problems I had in school for the next ten years :-)
@@joys8634 seems that being smart won't stop you from being a little bitch huh?
@@brotothewilliams9890 lmao, couldn't help but laugh at this
I never played football because I was afraid of losing my senses and having my brain deteriorate. Combat sports is even more risky!
You’re gonna thank yourself. I’m 18 and already having problems from playing football since I was 6
Guys if you wanna do fight sports with no risk: Do the whole training, including bag training just without the sparring. You only miss 20-25% of the training. Its ok. U will still be fit as f*ck with hard punches and incredible stamina. Fuck the risk, believe me.
A nice guy broke my nose in training sparring. I was 24. Got operated the next day. Since then I got worse memory.
I finished my law studies, (but learning felt harder after the incident), I hope I wont have any major problems with my head/brain in the future. I am 32 right now.
That's boxercise not boxing. Sparring is the most crucial part of combat sports bar none, that's where you learn about timing, defence etc
Seetsa Molapo Yeah but its the part which makes brain injuries
F**ck the risk, just do the non contact training you wont regret it
@@HA-no3jh but then you won't learn how to fight. The key is LIGHT sparring. Don't go to war in a gym session
Seetsa Molapo Yea I know what u mean but you know as good as me that the LIGHT sparrings become full skill sparrings within seconds too often
Dont get me wrong I love boxing and sparring and the skills instincts you learn while sparring
@@HA-no3jh Sure. But that's why you need a coach who can control the intensity of sparring between students. Ego trips don't help anyone. Sparring is all about learning but yea there are some pricks who can't it through their minds and try to spark gym wars
That's EXACTLY why that final hammer blow to guys who are already knocked out should be illegal! The 1st knock out blow is one thing. But when the head slams on the floor on the fall is a whole other type of rock in the brain. But to then have a guy come down and hammer your head on the ground one more type while you're defenseless and already out is straight up attempted murder in my opinion. There is absolutely no reason for that.
There is a reason for that. Sometimes fighters who have been knocked down somehow recover and come back to defeat their opponent who knocked them out. Nobody wants to lose that way. Maybe they are all brain damaged to participate in that insanity.
@ArcoZakus I was in boxing, sir. I go by a different set of rules. No WIN or "embarrassment" is worth taking a persons life. It's chicken shit. There is a reason fighters get so much praise when they show restraint in situations like that. But it's horrible seeing fighters in handicap situations for the rest of their lives for a fight worth a few thousand dollars.
Damn when I think about it there's a chance Ngannou might have given Overeem brain damage and the power his punch had it's most likely Overeem might feel it in just 5 or less lol.
Yeah, not just Ngannou but overall.. Overeem is impressive man, that's all I can tell you, some ko'es that guy experienced and so "little" instant damage (acute injuries). Anyhow.. that guy fights professionally since he is 19. I think he might be the worst case of any fighter ever in max 2 decades from now on.
There is a martial art organization where if you get knocked out cold but beat the count you can still fight. Literally watched a man get KO’d in a scary way and come back like a zombie and nearly knock out the other guy to death. That fighting organization most likely has numerous deaths tagged to it
What’s it called?
@@brothertheresa still to this day ive been trying to find it. It was just before youtube Shorts became a big thing a couple years ago but I’ll keep you posted if I find it still
@@pilotintraining2391 thanks bro appreciate it
@@pilotintraining2391 lethwei?
@@brothertheresa lethwei pretty sure it’s that pretty much Muay Thai no gloves on crack with headbutts
Between the hard punches to the head and the blunts ol Joe is a bubble off center with his mental abilities!
Joe Rogan is a good man. He knows what he is talking about. This is why we need anti-bullying laws. İ went into boxing to defend myself against bullies. Now, I fear that I have brain damage.
Depends on how much shots u took
Get yourself checked out
Life reminds me everyday of the shit I took for granted
Like what?
@@creativeape8994
Health
Value of time
Life is short
Family
Good friends
The things parents sacrifice for their kids
On and on
Our brains are very fragile.
Life without grand mal seizures
How lucky I am to be alive.
The danger of alcoholism.
How lucky I am to have a loving family. How lucky I am to have the things some people will never have.
@@creativeape8994
Grandparents
Supportive people
Loving counsel
The beauty of Ameria
Choices made
Money spent
Education
Clean water
Green grass
Pets
Being alive
Not needing medication
Being in love
Heat
HELMETS
Food
Hygiene
Rivers and streams
Rain
Sports
Candy
Flip flops
Faith
Morality
Kindness
Ranchers and farmers
Skillful tradesmen
Giving
Yes, life is rally honest and fair... 😏
More and more and more young people are dying even sooner than their parents nowadays!
Life is SHORT, so WHY are they all in such a big hurry to DIE??? 🤔
Better to be OLD, than to NEVER even grow old at all.
Being older, simply means that you'll at least be able to reflect back on all of the things and experiences you had in life... At least you can say: "Hey man, I was there at the party! Where was YOU?"
Can't really say the same about these youngsters; all dying in like their 20s, and 30s.
These days? YOUNGER you are, just means the LONGER you'll SUFFER!!! 😝
Another thing about boxers is half the time they get TKOd or KOd and they stay in the fight so basically they’re fighting after being dazed/flash KOd. Insane, good example in MMA would be what happened to kevin Holland recently with that headbutt.
I 100% agree with joe on developing your childrens fighting skills young even if they do not fight someone it just makes more sense than waiting until later
Damn he said they put a cold towel on them, and then they get up and keep going 😂😂😂
Pillow fight for 20 years and see the effects. Or just box mayweather for 20 years either way you will have effects
@trufiend138 I punch my jaw everyday and I'm stil alive but my eyesight just getting blur everyday wait oh It's cuz I have eye problem since I 3
James Arthur bro stop
@@direwolf9227 I'm good
A concussion is when your brain slams against your skull and causes it to swell and press against the part of the brain cutting off oxygen there are sooooooo many permanent effects to this and I hate when people don’t acknowledge the existence of head trauma and concussions. I have 3 on paper but I know I have more but you get told to “ tough it out I’m sure you just got hit a little hard but you’re ok” so anytime you get hit hard you think that you should just keep going and that you’re overreacting but sometimes you’re not and I appreciate the awareness that is being brought to it now and I understand there’s a gray area with all injuries and stuff but head trauma is the most serious to me.
So does every concussion leave you permanently brain damaged? Will you have brain fog forever and be slower? Sleep problems for life?
@@goldenage773 every concussion has permanent damage there are small ones where the damage is fairly unnoticeable but after a few or a major one then yes you will start to have more lasting effects like that getting slower reaction speed and after some major ones you might have a hard time keeping a focus and start zoning out or you’ll have a hard time remembering certain things. Every concussion has an impact that is permanent, the sleep problems vary depending on the level of severity of it may hurt some standard things down the road that you used to be pretty good at. In sports it’s extremely hard to avoid especially in contact sports and it doesn’t necessarily mean you should be scared to play but when you do get one treat it properly with minimal screen time and if any lasting affects are noticeable then speak with someone about it express your concern and research what you can do for yourself. Not that most of us already don’t have it but a very common symptom of last damage from concussions is severe depression and there’s numerous figures in sports that struggle with depression because of concussions
@@coreyway1349 Yeah I think I'm definitely messed up then..I got knocked out a year ago and had a headache for a week. After that I didn't notice anything different but recently I quit smoking weed and now I notice I have to sleep more and if I don't I'm very groggy. I also constantly feel like I have brain fog. I still speak the same and still remember most things. I just don't feel the same. When I got knocked out I wasn't out cold, I just got hit and got up right away and didn't get a headache until the next day. I still remember the whole thing. But yeah, feels like no matter how much rest I get I still feel tired. Probably need to drink way more water as well. Man this sucks.
@@goldenage773 it’s possible there are doctors who can look at it for you but I highly recommend looking up some of the long lasting symptoms and comparing and seeing if you’ve had more problems to compare with
Joe you just made my day,i have had so many people argue with me that Ali's neurological disorder was not Brain damage,well i agree with Joe when he said Ali had Parkinson induced by brain damage disorder.
If you chose to get involved in anything that involves head trauma as an acceptable norm. Whatever happens down the road is your own self induced problem.
Joe "I have brain damage" Rogan
I personally take two to three weeks off when I have a headache from sparring and eat fat fish (canned sardines) 2/3 times a week. It's good for the brain. You can use fish oil supplements as well.
I will probably transition back to BJJ/judo when my knee heals again in some time because I don't wanna risk CTE. Kickboxing feels good though.
Pretty much if you play any contact or combat sport then your at risk for CTE. Especially in sports like Football, Rugby, Hockey, Boxing, MMA, UCF, and even Lacrosse.
Shit actually haunts me, all the garbage training I’ve been doing. It’s literally “pay to get brain damage” moto. Fucking stupid and you just keep going there because you wanna look like a man, you don’t want to look like a pussy. A whole new appreciation for the pitter patter tippity tappity karate style which i do now
Had to learn to fight, because of the amount of brain damage I’ve taken as a kid. 16 years later i got slammed by my father fresh out of bed. And it took me eight weeks to even just get out of bed, head aches, all my nerves hurt all over my body, I might have been the victor but I took that much damage my body wouldn’t work the way it did. My legs got weaker, my hands now shake all the time, my depth perception went to shit I now experience vertigo everyday snd it was All because he doesn’t know how to cry and has to be violent In order to express himself. but now my body doesn’t work the way it did only eight weeks before. I love to fight but I hate aggression!
Jesus Christ. So you learned to fight because of brain damage your acquired from childhood, then 16 years later your father slammed you fresh out of bed? What the fuck are you trying to say? Try again, this time use basic grammar and sentence structure to make a clear, concise, timeline of events and state dates and times VERY clearly. Frankly, there's no excuse for typing so stupidly, brain damaged or not. You clearly will never recover from this brain damage if you don't atleast try to be literate and eligible. You can sit typing like this all day if you want, it will only make your condition worse, and frankly I really hope it does. See idiots like you allllll day long at my doctor's office. Take it from a neurologist, you are a blooming idiot and deserve whatever slow death is approaching you. You're just another idiot who wastes everyone's time getting advice you'll never use. I've seen this over and over again. You'll whine and pout that you gave yourself head trauma all the while ignoring any advice drs give you, instead you just make it about yourself and your pity. Goodbye.
Joe "I have taken the most damage of my life" Rogan
Guys What do u think about fighting in light contact division?
It's safer but won't be a big draw. People want blood guts and ko's
Watching this one after Tony Ferguson's recent trauma, there are going to be some sad days coming in MMA's near future.
Being choked unconscious can also cause brain damage. The same for getting slammed on the mat. Any combat sport can be dangerous. Train safe. No need to go 100% during sparring and tap before the snap. Don't try to prove how tough you are.
So how does Alistar Overeem has like 60+ pro fights and is still going?
A light punch and he goes to sleep, his chin is completely gone . Give it a few years , Overeem is going to be in bad shape .
Because he is not an over 60 vegetable --- yet.
@@kigrey3994 Deadass, all the money isn't worth it in the end when your brain and bodys all fucked up
Wanderlei Silva wants do donate his CTE brain
Ki Greene having a “poor chin” is a good thing
One of my mom’s friends got a serious concussion during her hockey game. It’s been several years and she still has issues with semi bright lights, loud noises, and sporadic headaches
I graduated high school in a boot camp program called YCP and the first fight I got in was the first time I ever got knocked out in a fight and it was so weird. Felt like I was out for hours but apparently I bounced right back up and kept fighting. Don’t remember anything until we were standing outside the cadres offices