1:51 No surprise Trek had a bike with something wrong with it, this bike had issues with chain drops, this bike bike came with 5mm spacer instead of 7mm spacer behind the ISCG bash guard with Sram Transmission, and 6 mm with Shimano. Also angle was wrong on the lower guide. I don't know if this really fixed the issue, but I hope it did. The Loam Wolf has a video on it: QUICK SERVICE BULLETIN - Trek Slash Fix? High Pivot MTB Repair
Its the dumbest thing ever internal routing in general is pants specially for brakes so you have to detach either the caliper or lever to get them off then you need to bleed brakes etc i always pull the cables out the frames and zip tie them to the outside of the frame so you can take them off in seconds and dont need to rebleed them
@@francisdee9955 yeah i voted on there poll for fully external its just easier to work on and ive never burst a hose or ruined a cable from crashes but if i did have any issues it would be fixed in seconds 🤷🏻♂️ just my opinion of course
My future Trek Slash gen 5 (I don't want high pivot on first 29er mountain bike) and Trek Emonda ALR are going to enjoy internal routing but only the brakes (Trek Slash only get rear), nothing external as both will have budget groupsets, Trek Emonda ALR I'm looking at SRAM red etap axs and Trek Slash I'm looking at SRAM eagle XX1 though as enduro wonder to weigh it down with XO1 instead
3:03 Looking at the seat tube, it seems like the new trek bikes have long insertion depth on the seat tubes now. It took way too many years before Trek caught up.
You forgot to mention that you can configure your propain with different parts. From budget to high spec. Unfortunately they don't offer Shimano drive trains anymore.
3:28 The design is very different to how Meta was for years, I hope these won't have issues, as previous Meta bikes could have issues with bearings being pushed out and pivots rubbing. I think I saw a post on Facebook where an rider had this issue, but he did not catch it early so he ruined the bearing bore bearing was loose.
Enduro all the way have you ever tried pedaling a dh bike up a hill 🤮 no thanks plus most modern enduro bikes will smash down a downhill track no problem
6:08 Definitely an interesting bike and interesting way of making bikes. Their custom fit is a great idea too. I'm curious how Carbon Titanium mix would handle taking the bike out in super low sub zero temps. As it uses two different materials. So what I'm curious about is thermal shrinkage and expansion. I know carbon frames with Alu BB shell had issues with BB shell coming loose, so I'm curious how it is with titanium and carbon. I know carbon has a great thermal stability. Do anyone know? So lets say I take the bike out from room temp to -10C will it do damage? what about -20C?
I think the main problem with aluminium BB shells in CF frames is corrosion. Titanium will likely have less a problem here, since it's also used for medical implants because it's corrosion resistant. However you may get the same with a stainless steel BB shell, with very little more weight.
@@lefthorse1 titanium is not that simple to work with - and welding it is not trivial, the welds can get brittle and crack later if the welder makes mistakes. Contrary to automated aluminium frame production lines the TI frame would be likely hand made since nobody has ever made these frames in an automated production.
@@simonm1447 ... and that would justify the actual price .. i like the printed titanium parts , i like round section pipes , i just don't like carbon and glue ... compared to a Stanton frame , this Atherton frame would be an easy job for a welder
@@lefthorse1 I like metal frames too, I use aluminium however since it's hard to get something else without paying a fortune for the frame. I don't have a CF bike
Everyone is told they need a enduro bike, in fact almost nobody but enduro racers or accomplished freeriders needs a enduro bike. You see my local advert sections are filled with 1 or two years old "brand new" enduro bikes... Wonder why someone wouldn't use it 😂
Depends on the terrain you ride, I live in Norway, so most of the country has areas where enduro bike is useful. I mostly use 150mm travel where I live, but on the gnarlier and rougher trails I do use up 170mm travel. But an enduro bike will make harder trails easier, more room for error. But if you are in a flatter area without any gnar or very rough trails, or do big hits, then it's overkill. Yes second hand market can have really nice bikes.
Be aware of headset cable routing , its such a nightmare to work with , AND the cables create an internal steering friction, just enough to be not able to drive the bike with no hands on the handlebar . And secondly , the alloy frames (ex Commencal) comes with a LARGE cut out (30 mm ) hole near the bottom bracket , its the weakest point of the frame , they need to stop doing this ... i know that hole its for dropper post cable managing , but its wrong , that DP cable should exit at the upper part of the down tube , just where the brake and shift cables exit
Add me to the no/never headset cable routing. Drastically stupid idea. My wife rides a Bronson v2.1 & my son a Sentinel v2. Both awesome bikes. Both have the rear brake external. (Note on the Bronson: its geo is a little antiquated now-a-days and it’s not the smasher of the current generation…but it’s still one of the best all around trail bikes I’ve ever ridden.)
Why always 29ers? Where's the 27.5 love? Not very inclusive or smart. Hype up both sizes so people will buy more bikes sustaining the bike industry more and get different experiences. Point being, you missed the Commencal Clash on your list.
Someday we will be riding bikes that's one frame with capabilities from trail to freeride to DH. no more derailleurs and no more inner cable routing😂😂😂😂
This video was a couple of days ago (Jan 24). Enduro bikes have been around ages. And ages 😂 and oh my god if I hear that stupid trek joke again, looks like a v10 or any other bike! Man
5:27 Waki Designs predicted this years ago.with his ''Shimano Sainten'' concept drawing in his WAKi-leaks series. Focus bikes released a bike with a stem like this in 2020. Now it's Propain. But his silly concept included built in cycling computer.😆Two bolts at the top, cables coming out. It looked like some sort of mask. 5:33 What a mess, no thx, this makes working on the bike harder, more complicated than it has to.
Ok, stop it! Internal cable routing for headsets? No. For you guys to compliment and endorse internal cable for MTB is what’s wrong with the bike media. Mountain bikers don’t need the hassle of internet headset cables. Also, the Propain? C’mon guys. The suspension may ride ok, but all that clutter for the shock and for it to work is the brands gimmick to attract buyers. Just look at the old Giant suspension where they sunk it down at the same level as the crank. Now they got rid of that trash and have a simpler design. Propain is doing the same. Why do you bike media folks feed into this fluff and push it out to the public? Out of all the engineers and suspension minds/experts out there that they couldn’t think of this design before Propain did? Stop it. You guys are turning in GCN and pushing out fluff material for viewers. 👎🏼
1:51 No surprise Trek had a bike with something wrong with it, this bike had issues with chain drops, this bike bike came with 5mm spacer instead of 7mm spacer behind the ISCG bash guard with Sram Transmission, and 6 mm with Shimano. Also angle was wrong on the lower guide. I don't know if this really fixed the issue, but I hope it did.
The Loam Wolf has a video on it: QUICK SERVICE BULLETIN - Trek Slash Fix? High Pivot MTB Repair
Sorry guys, but the is nothing good or cool about headset cable routing, please don't encourage manufacturers to make these by praising it
Its the dumbest thing ever internal routing in general is pants specially for brakes so you have to detach either the caliper or lever to get them off then you need to bleed brakes etc i always pull the cables out the frames and zip tie them to the outside of the frame so you can take them off in seconds and dont need to rebleed them
Yeah keep headset cable routing to roadie, not mountain bikes. In fact internal routing is dumb in general
its catastrophic! go the pinkbike way on that subject
@@francisdee9955 yeah i voted on there poll for fully external its just easier to work on and ive never burst a hose or ruined a cable from crashes but if i did have any issues it would be fixed in seconds 🤷🏻♂️ just my opinion of course
My future Trek Slash gen 5 (I don't want high pivot on first 29er mountain bike) and Trek Emonda ALR are going to enjoy internal routing but only the brakes (Trek Slash only get rear), nothing external as both will have budget groupsets, Trek Emonda ALR I'm looking at SRAM red etap axs and Trek Slash I'm looking at SRAM eagle XX1 though as enduro wonder to weigh it down with XO1 instead
Banshee's Titan and Raaw's Madonna.
3:03 Looking at the seat tube, it seems like the new trek bikes have long insertion depth on the seat tubes now. It took way too many years before Trek caught up.
What about the new Bird Aeris AM?
Umm… no mention of the actual winning bike ? Also released with an updated model this year ?😮
Atherton is my dream bike 🚴♀️!
It might be a good bike, but I think it is ugly.
It might be a bad bike, but I think its beautiful@@dinunclv
I agree i would love one so much just a bit pricey still
Great bikes!
Pivot?
You forgot to mention that you can configure your propain with different parts. From budget to high spec. Unfortunately they don't offer Shimano drive trains anymore.
Yeti SB160 should have been on the list, considering it won the EDR series this year. Ibis HD6 would have been another good addition to this list.
The SB 160 was released in 2022
GMBN Tech haven't heard of Yeti......😒
3:28 The design is very different to how Meta was for years, I hope these won't have issues, as previous Meta bikes could have issues with bearings being pushed out and pivots rubbing. I think I saw a post on Facebook where an rider had this issue, but he did not catch it early so he ruined the bearing bore bearing was loose.
We Are One Arrival 170
What about Giant reign advanced pro
I went for a ransom, lovely bike
Or the Merida one sixty
I would have went for the propain if it wasn’t for the £300 plus postage
Got the tyee this year. Such a great bike. Bought it for 3279€ with Magura MT5 breaks, GX Transmisson, Lyrik and a RS Shock
Well what’s better enduro bikes or downhill?
I‘d say enduro bikes. I think they are more of an allrounder when it comes to usage.
What's better hammer or screw driver?
@@plainuser48596hammer all day 😀
Enduro all the way have you ever tried pedaling a dh bike up a hill 🤮 no thanks plus most modern enduro bikes will smash down a downhill track no problem
Depends what you're riding!
Best Enduro bike, is the one I custom built myself with 164-180mm travel
What frame did you use? Would love to hear about your build! 🤘
IBIS Ripmo V2
With that propane how the hell is the gear cable gonna work with the angle through all that headset mess, die now headset cable routing
6:08 Definitely an interesting bike and interesting way of making bikes. Their custom fit is a great idea too. I'm curious how Carbon Titanium mix would handle taking the bike out in super low sub zero temps. As it uses two different materials. So what I'm curious about is thermal shrinkage and expansion. I know carbon frames with Alu BB shell had issues with BB shell coming loose, so I'm curious how it is with titanium and carbon. I know carbon has a great thermal stability. Do anyone know?
So lets say I take the bike out from room temp to -10C will it do damage? what about -20C?
I think the main problem with aluminium BB shells in CF frames is corrosion. Titanium will likely have less a problem here, since it's also used for medical implants because it's corrosion resistant.
However you may get the same with a stainless steel BB shell, with very little more weight.
I wonder why they did not make with titanium tubes instead of carbon ? And with real welds
@@lefthorse1 titanium is not that simple to work with - and welding it is not trivial, the welds can get brittle and crack later if the welder makes mistakes.
Contrary to automated aluminium frame production lines the TI frame would be likely hand made since nobody has ever made these frames in an automated production.
@@simonm1447 ... and that would justify the actual price .. i like the printed titanium parts , i like round section pipes , i just don't like carbon and glue ... compared to a Stanton frame , this Atherton frame would be an easy job for a welder
@@lefthorse1 I like metal frames too, I use aluminium however since it's hard to get something else without paying a fortune for the frame. I don't have a CF bike
Everyone is told they need a enduro bike, in fact almost nobody but enduro racers or accomplished freeriders needs a enduro bike.
You see my local advert sections are filled with 1 or two years old "brand new" enduro bikes...
Wonder why someone wouldn't use it 😂
Depends on the terrain you ride, I live in Norway, so most of the country has areas where enduro bike is useful. I mostly use 150mm travel where I live, but on the gnarlier and rougher trails I do use up 170mm travel. But an enduro bike will make harder trails easier, more room for error. But if you are in a flatter area without any gnar or very rough trails, or do big hits, then it's overkill.
Yes second hand market can have really nice bikes.
Yt capra 💪
No pivot switchblade what?
We only had space for 5 unfortunately! 🤙
Wouldn’t shorter people benefit from a longer dropper post/ lower seat tube height? So they can get the seat lower and out of the way on descents?
They wouldn't need one as they are shorter. The bigger you are the longer your legs so the higher you will sit.
Be aware of headset cable routing , its such a nightmare to work with , AND the cables create an internal steering friction, just enough to be not able to drive the bike with no hands on the handlebar . And secondly , the alloy frames (ex Commencal) comes with a LARGE cut out (30 mm ) hole near the bottom bracket , its the weakest point of the frame , they need to stop doing this ... i know that hole its for dropper post cable managing , but its wrong , that DP cable should exit at the upper part of the down tube , just where the brake and shift cables exit
I will never buy a bike that has headset cable routing
what you see at 5:33 is called hot shit
Propain bikes are so good looking ... but, I just can't with the name "propain" to be honest
Haha I think it's awesome, I can't help but say it with a Machoman Randy Savage accent 😂😂😂
Is it cus you read it as Pro Pain, or you don't like Propane.😝
@@mtbboy1993 Both to be frank 😅
Tyee is not a brand guys. Propain is.
Add me to the no/never headset cable routing. Drastically stupid idea.
My wife rides a Bronson v2.1 & my son a Sentinel v2. Both awesome bikes. Both have the rear brake external.
(Note on the Bronson: its geo is a little antiquated now-a-days and it’s not the smasher of the current generation…but it’s still one of the best all around trail bikes I’ve ever ridden.)
very unclever cable routing garbage. hate it.
yes.
Why always 29ers? Where's the 27.5 love? Not very inclusive or smart. Hype up both sizes so people will buy more bikes sustaining the bike industry more and get different experiences. Point being, you missed the Commencal Clash on your list.
Someday we will be riding bikes that's one frame with capabilities from trail to freeride to DH. no more derailleurs and no more inner cable routing😂😂😂😂
Infinite adjustability! 📏
Don't pretend like enduro bikes are a new thing or that brands are only just coming onboard
This video was a couple of days ago (Jan 24). Enduro bikes have been around ages. And ages 😂 and oh my god if I hear that stupid trek joke again, looks like a v10 or any other bike! Man
5:27 Waki Designs predicted this years ago.with his ''Shimano Sainten'' concept drawing in his WAKi-leaks series. Focus bikes released a bike with a stem like this in 2020. Now it's Propain.
But his silly concept included built in cycling computer.😆Two bolts at the top, cables coming out. It looked like some sort of mask.
5:33 What a mess, no thx, this makes working on the bike harder, more complicated than it has to.
Ok, stop it! Internal cable routing for headsets? No. For you guys to compliment and endorse internal cable for MTB is what’s wrong with the bike media. Mountain bikers don’t need the hassle of internet headset cables.
Also, the Propain? C’mon guys. The suspension may ride ok, but all that clutter for the shock and for it to work is the brands gimmick to attract buyers. Just look at the old Giant suspension where they sunk it down at the same level as the crank. Now they got rid of that trash and have a simpler design. Propain is doing the same. Why do you bike media folks feed into this fluff and push it out to the public? Out of all the engineers and suspension minds/experts out there that they couldn’t think of this design before Propain did? Stop it. You guys are turning in GCN and pushing out fluff material for viewers. 👎🏼