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Vital's 2023 Enduro MTB Test Session
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Welcome to Vital's 2023 Enduro Test Sessions!
After a two-year hiatus, we are back with another Enduro Bike Test Sessions! We gathered six of the most popular enduro bikes, some with long-standing track records and some promising newcomers. All bikes were size XL with between 160-170mm of rear wheel travel. Two bikes were mixed-wheeled, two had high pivots, and two carried Enduro World Series titles.
To cover a wide variety of terrain as efficiently as possible, we headed to Snow Summit Bike Park in Southern California for five days of chairlift-accessed bike park smashing. The goal: uncover the strengths and weaknesses of each bike, and ultimately, decide which we would take home on the spot and which we would buy with our own money.
Read our full review, live on our site now - www.vitalmtb.com/features/vit...
We stayed right at the base of the mountain, courtesy of Visit Big Bear, and couldn't have asked for a more convenient way to spend the week testing bikes. With our condo less than a minute from the Snow Summit village, we could easily head back to our unit between laps and had plenty of space to work on our bikes. If you'd like to explore Snow Summit or Big Bear, California for yourself, check out Visit Big Bear - book.bigbear.com/search.php
Thanks to these brands for supporting the test!
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1UP USA - 1up-usa.com
Feedback Sports - feedbacksports.com
Snow Summit Bike Park - www.bigbearmountainresort.com...
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#MTB #mountainbike #enduro
0:00 Intro
1:33 Bike Introductions and First Impressions
6:11 Vital’s Tall Testers
7:05 What makes a good enduro bike?
7:58 - $5,899 Nukeproof Mega 290 Carbon Review
16:29 - $9,675 Deviate Claymore Review
25:51 $9,499 Trek Slash 9.9 Review
35:51 $7,000 Specialized Enduro Expert Review
44:29 $6,000 Intense Tracer 297 Review
53:26 $4,800 Canyon Strive CFR Underdog Review
1:03:29 Final Impressions
Impressive how the Specialized Enduro is still up to date against newer bikes. Well designed bike! 🎯
2022 comp is on sale for 3800. not many people need more performance than that. I love mine, from dowhill parks to hillside flow trails in AK.
@@LB-kg2xh bought one this summer at that price. I a my selling my all-mountain bike because of how well this bike peddles.
@@LB-kg2xh 3800!!! that's nice for such a bike. I just bought a used enduro frame on PB for 1400, I guess I should have waited.
Bought mine 2021 still going strong over 4,000 hard miles if your racing that bike is fast af
Except it’s a Specialized bike. Nothing wrong with the bike, but everyone and their Mom has one. So if you’re someone like me, who likes to be different, we tend to stay away from big name brands.
The Trek's chain drop seems to be a legit deficiency. Other reviewers are experiencing the same issue. Shame.
yeah, its now out for me.
This was such a great review & video for me!
I'm 191 cms and about 100-105 kgs kitted-up to ride....so to have these talented guys test all-XL bikes, and then talk about bikes in the context of a taller rider, was a bit of a dream.
Bike reviews never really talk about XL bikes & riders. Stack height & reach are such a big deal for us tall guys.
And the chosen field of bikes was a really good mix of the new designs with high pivots.... and the tried & tested frames. I also appreciate the honesty about some of the things that were not so good - too many reviews are just glowingly positive.
Thank you Vital, this one was fantastic.
Same here - 100kgs and 6'2" and I have a real issue with most trail bikes making me feel super hunched over. This was a dream come true.
I'm such a sucker for the Deviate. Freaking bike is incredible! 13 months on it now and I've yet to go on a ride I'm not impressed like day one. We'll done team!
Sounds like the Nukeproof would suit a lot of people.. let’s hope they will find an investor and continue making great bikes for great prices!
I ride one and it’s an absolutely legendary bike!
They’ll survive, the products and following are too good not to
The are ending North American operations. Vitus too.
I believe it's "nuclear proof"
great bikes, but the bearings are poor and custom to the frame
This didn't age the way we would have liked😢.
It's so nice to see XL bikes being reviewed! It's hard to find anywhere to get an opinion on XL sized bikes and how they ride or fit. Sick!
Really like how you guys weren’t afraid to change the bars if needed.
Some of the short travel/XC shootouts could learn a thing or two about this.
Don’t just say you’d think the bike would handle better with a longer stem, change it and let us all know.
Mega is one of the best bikes I've ever had for do it all, mullet with the extra 5mm on a coil has so much rear grip and it's so playful just picks up off of any little lip you find on a trail, climbs really well as well! Hopefully they sort their cash issues out and carry on as I'll be gutted if they go also their wheels are the only wheels I've had that haven't died on an Alps trip!
100% I have a mega but I have an alloy frame because idk how much I trust carbon 😂 but yeah I absolutely love my bike. completely eats up steep and face rough sections. Always outrunning my mates on the fast trails
Mega 297 owner here. Love it. Damn, though. The company is over and warranty is too
Thanks for discussing "size up vs size down". At 5' 10" it's been a confusing issue for me as I consider a new bike in M/L. Depends on the brand or the model or my style or the intended terrain... sheesh! It's a great reminder to test ride any bike I'm serious about buying.
This. The same reach can feel quite different on multiple bikes.
If you ride more tight technical trails and focus on cornering you can size down. If you ride fast downhill tracks and want more stability size up. Not that hard to figure out.
Totally agree bro
I Need a medium/large bike with short cranks and low standover ✅
If you know what length reach you prefer, then start there. I am also 5’10”, and normally prefer a mid 400mm reach. After trying a few different models in the 450-475mm range, ended up with an S4 Stumpy Evo.
Honestly even demoing you're not going to be able to tell awhole lot.
Good to include the Enduro as it is still relevant and available.
riding a mega with an ext coil shock and a zeb. its a monster
I've been running the Canyon Strive CFR for a few months now and have been blown away with how good it is. Lucked out and nabbed one on sale for $4199, which was nuts for full XTR and Fox Factory kit. Previously had a Propain Tyee and Evil Wreckoning and I feel more at home on the Strive. I am 5'10" and generally ride a Large, but sized down to the M with the strive and it was the right choice, as the bike is LONG. It can get reasonably light as well replacing the heavy alloy bar and wheels with carbon bits (OneUp bar and i9 carbon wheels), it got down to 33.5lbs (without pedals). I also replaced the dropper with a 200mm wolf tooth, as 170mm is not enough. The shapeshifter is slick, although I have accidentally left it engaged on some a fast and rooty tech trail and paid the price (physical beat down), the rear for sure is stiff in that setting (although I funnily enough set a PR). The Deviate for sure looks good to me, but that price tag....ouch.
How is the durability of the bike? Any headset creaking or broken parts?
@@BenSch100 No issues to date, bike has been rock solid other than me breaking a spoke. No bolts have even worked loose in my about 500 miles of riding so far (I check before every ride). I did get a little weird behavior with the shapeshifter at first before I got the pressure set correctly for my weight, but it has been problem free since.
Great video guys! Love the format and feedback from experienced riders. I learned a lot.
Finally a review for us tall people that ride XL bikes. Love the long format video and the guys doing the review. Very informative too. Great job!
A review for the lanky lads is appreciated
Yes, mega test ! Had both the Enduro (S4) and the Nukeproof (XL). Insane ammount of performance for (now used) amazing value. The enduro is suuuper potent and the nukeproof is the same but insanely good on climbs and very playful. Nice jov VitalMTB!
yep, hurts to see a brand like that die because of other biz money issues...@@pebbleinspector
Congrats guys! 👏 Bike tests&reviews are getting better and better! Simple and honest opinions…the opposite of Pinkbike that are getting worst, elitist and boring, specially since Levy left and that english guy arrived!! Keep it going…
Vital MTB, I know its too much to ask, but there is a lot of Urban rider out there. When i used to live in Algeria, there were no bike parks. And any bike we bought used to break very fast under urban environments. It would be cool if you could review which bikes perform best jumping stairs, flat drops constantly…
Thanks.
Love my Claymore, and as far a reliability, it s been close to a year and haven't done bearings yet. Johnny knows what i ride!
Thats awesome to hear it's been worry-free considering what it costs!
Great review guys thanks for show the things as they are , and simplicity.
Jonathon I saw you review test of the status and the stumpy evo , wish one descend better of steep terrain, the status or the Enduro . Thanks for your videos.
Cheers
Great reviews, I enjoyed every second of this video
Thanks Charlie! Great analysis of the enduro bikes that you guys tested.
the chain drop lives on! This bike will have a refresh within two years to fix it I think it's time to hold off until that is done.
Good to hear you mostly chose Mega, that's exactly why I built one for 3,5 grand back in July and it's fenomenal bike and bargain!
To address the deviates linkage longevity concerns, the bikes made to be ridden in Scotland. A few friends of mine have it up in Scotland, the linkage is make to be greases and has loads of protection for the bearings. He’s been running the same bearings for over a year now 🤙
Thanks for this! It’s a shame you are unable to have the correct size for each of you. It makes it really hard to work out exactly what you guys think. But honesty must come first and you were honest. I’m being honest too. 😊
The intro is so fun! Not saying you compete with pink bike, but this is much more fun to watch.
I ride the Mega 275 with 165mm rear and a coil shock , it’s magical
Watched the whole thing! You guys have a good repoire and discuss alot of relevant things. I would have liked to see 2021s "winner" be put up as a control bike. It just helps keep it in perspective.
Thats a great idea, I think we’ll try to do that for the next one or pick our favorite enduro bike of the year to include.
I rate the intense tracer! I have owned once since they were released with the ohlins coil at the back. Extremely fun. I race occasionally but otherwise just like those progression days looking for gnarly features. I guess it's not the smoothest at high speed compressions but I don't think it's completely out of place. What it lacks in the compartment it excels in generating speed and playing around on fun side features you might find on the trail. Super low stand over height too. I've got tiny legs and was able to accommodate 175mm drop (adjustable post from 180mm) on size MD which I was quite surprised with :).
Pedals well enough too!
The deviate's got grease ports on the idler and frame bearings - so if you stay on top of that, you can ideally need to the invasive /expensive bearing maintenance less (I own a highlander).
Great review. These guys really know what they are talking about; makes others seem like amateurs.
Thanx. That video helps a lot. I’ll buy the Rode. Thanks
Nice vid
Great comprehensive test! Funny that you would size down on most bikes! Nice shredding! 🤟
Probably cause they're planning on throwing it around more since it's an enduro, and it's easier to make a smaller bike feel bigger than vice versa.
I see the Sprindex coils in use. Ive found mine to have very little difference between 610-690. Was hoping for more variance
At last a comprehensive review video we can actually get an idea on what these bikes are like to ride and have.
Agree 100% Need all bikes tested this well
Vital usually has the best reviews out of the major media companies
Glad you all liked the review and our feedback on the bikes! Credit to Logan Brown for editing our ramblings down into a coherent format. I think we had about 3000 hours of us talking by the end of the week@@durrantmiller8810
What would make sense would be a test of the 2023 EDR bikes the teams ran (in the closest public available spec) - maybe the top five at the end of the season?
The thing about sizing down is then the stack is even lower, and you guys were complaining the stack was too low on all but one of the XL bikes already. Then to compensate you have to run a super long steer tube, which shortens the reach even more than you probably want. Give us more 480mm reach XL bikes.
🎯Yup, or really tall weird looking handlebars. It's weird out there for tall guys trying to fit on bikes. I take comfort in knowing that other industries are also awful and catering to bigger and smaller customers (like the car industry, which is a much, much, much bigger industry).
As a 186cm (6'2) rider I really appreciate this video. What can you say about Propain Tyee though? True and tested choice? I was looking to buy one.
Love summit what a dream testing bikes lapping one of the best bike parks
It did not suck. Big thanks to Snow Summit and Visit Big Bear for hosting us!
all are very good, id go for the one that has most space in triangle
Totally in love of Mega, true do it all machine
What is your recommendation on suspension setup for the mega? Im 6'2 and 85kg...
I wanna see the new Propain Tyee 6!
Love these compassion videosz
That rear end on the Intense 😮😳
Specialized S-WORKS Enduro LTD
Where's the other big dogs like the SB160, Mega Tower and Firebird ex. ? Id love to see comparison to these bikes also
I know the video was good but was missing a good chunk of bikes
Love this. At 6'4" its great to get larger bikes reviews. Charlie and Lear said they would size down on the Enduro to an S4. Article says they are 6'3". What about Jonny? Would he also size down at 6'4". Stack seems quite low on the S4 for taller riders?
Jonny liked the S5. I think in terms of sizing, Jonny liked longer reaches, I liked shorter ones, and Lear was in the middle. I also think Lear was oversprung on the shock when he was riding the Enduro, but he disagrees. Obviously I'm right.
At 6’5” I love this review 💯 and all the new bikes I was looking at and one I already own
Glad you're stoked on the review. Thanks for the kind words!
Which one do you own?
@@kleinkurti enduro 170/170 love that bike it’s a race bike have a 134 Kona also for xc shit but I got like 5,000 hard miles on that enduro and it’s still my fastest bike every time I think about getting something new this bike is better haha only thing is no udh but I’m waiting for the new model enduro probably depending on what they pull out
I swear the new sram clutch is still not strong enough. I put the new transmission on my bike and the chain slaps against the derailleur body constantly. Shimano still makes a better clutch system as you can dial it in and rebuild it! Wireless is nice but it’s got me thinking of going back to cables
We think that mightve been the reason for the dropped chain, curious if a Shimano clutch would do better or maybe a larger chainring for more chain wrap.
I'm 6'2 but some of these larges are getting too long even for me. 475mm reach is the sweet spot for me but hey I'm not that big of a tech guy
Yeah I’m 6’6 and on a 505 reach, I had a 520 reach and it was way too long to be any fun or have any real control and accuracy
The Slash having a short stem isn't why there isn't enough weight on the front end it is the short chainstays that causes that.
The Nukeproof looks like it would make a perfect slope-duro tbh.
That kook stare is gold
its the ohlins suspension, really needed to have a commencal in this mix with there new enduro
I think it's safe to say a used Specialized Enduro is the weapon of choice for a privateer on a budget. Years later it's still holding up every time it gets re-reviewed.
@@pebbleinspectorbeen riding LTD since 2020 no cracks if you service her!
I'm about to trade my all mountain bike for a used enduro - fingers crossed it treats me well
The Walmart brand just like the trek. Both are crap and I don’t understand why people buy used? Broke people problems
Yeah that's very true. I love to hate Specialized, but results....and dozens of positive reviews don't lie. It's obviously a very, very well designed bike. (stack height is crazy low though...)
Im about buying the canyon but im 2m and idk if it is too small for me 😅😅
I‘m missing a Santa Cruz Nomad here!
You haven't lived until you try a Mega paired with the fast coil.
Trek definitely have chain problems with that bike.
So the Intense Tracer has a weirdly stiff rear suspension, and 27.5 rear wheel doesn’t help when it gets really rough. However, in the Impossible Climb video the Intense Tracer won everything because it was so zippy up the hill.
@vitalMTB Can you give me the height and weight of the riders. Do they usually ride XL bikes?
It seems like the Trek dropping chains is showing up in more and more ride reviews. I'd guess the chain is coming off between the idler and chainring.
It'd be interesting to investigate this more. Maybe a gopro mounted to the bike or a high speed camera to see what exactly is happening when the chain is coming off. According to Trek, derailments can be due to the lower guide wheel being out of alignment from the factory and adding a 2mm spacer to the ISCG tabs can fix it. We weren't aware of that possible remedy during the test so we can't say if that fix works, but it'd be great if it did. Kinda crazy to be dropping chains with so many chain retention doodads involved (narrow/wide ring, two chainguides, clutch derailleur, idlers to correct chain growth, etc).
@charliesponsel5091 A lot of the high pivot DH bikes have a surprising amount of chain slack between the idler and the chainring as the suspension compresses. It's easy to see on the Vital slow motion bike abuse videos from the World Cup. I'm assuming something similar is happening here. If there is any misalignment between the idler and the chainring + slack chain = dropped chain. If the chain comes off between the idler and chainring, the tensioner pulley behind the chainring can't do anything.
What bars were you guys using for some of your test bikes? I chipped my carbon renthal 40’s and am in the market for a new bar
Great question- we were mostly on Deity handlebars on the bikes, although I think Lear rode a 40mm rise Enve bar once. The two Deity bars we used were the 35mm clamp/50mm rise Highside bar and the 31.8mm clamp/38mm rise Blacklabel. Both bars were great and have similar bends. Pretty similar bends to the Renthal, so they should feel familiar. My personal bar is an FSA 40mm bar with 9 degree of backsweep and 5 degrees of upsweep, which is exactly the same dimensions as the Deity bars, so I got along swimmingly. And yeah, you gotta get those carbon bars off your bike! Chipped carbon bars are a hard no no.
I run the Renthal 40mm rise alum bars on all my bikes here at home, I like the lower degree of backsweep.
Curious as to what pants you guys are wearing? I’m also 6’3 and struggle to find pants that cover the ankles for mtb
Two of us were wearing the Fox Ranger pants, Lear was wearing Rennen I believe. Another great option are the Troy Lee Skyline pants, they have a little more length than the Fox.
Dharco make long pants, and you can get extensions to sew onto the legs if required. I'm 34+" inseam and they fit very well.
could you find out the reason for the chaindrop? did you find a fix for it?
We had such a limited time during our test we weren't able to get too into the weeds sleuthing possible causes or solutions, but I'd love to know myself. According to Trek, derailments can be due to the lower guide wheel being out of alignment from the factory and adding a 2mm spacer to the ISCG tabs can fix it. We weren't aware of that possible remedy during the test so we can't say if that fix works, but it'd be great if it did. Kinda crazy to be dropping chains with so many chain retention doodads involved (narrow/wide ring, two chainguides, clutch derailleur, idlers to correct chain growth, etc). We also think the clutch on the AXS Transmission derailleur was basically gone by the end of the test, which obviously isn't ideal for chain retention.
Love my mega 290 al custom buid
Trek has a serious issue with the chain dropping...this is the third channel I've heard that from
Did you experience any issues with frame flex on the Tracer? I had a Tracer 29 for a brief period and ended up returning it because the rear end was moving nearly 1" side to side.
Tracer flexy rear end is deliberate for what I read elsewhere. That's what drives me to carbon wheels for first upgrade! Most annoying stuff is that small play in the concentric BB linkage, even if it's not sensible in real riding, on stop you feel it in your grips just by siting on the bike and doing little bounce on the saddle! This play comes very early in the Tracer life!
We didn't have any frame flex problems during our test time, not with the Tracer and not with any of the bikes, but YMMV. Having said that, Jonny aka Don Burl is a big boy at 6'4"/225 pounds and if anyone's going to flex a bike he's a pretty good candidate.
@@runrunrun51 I ran mine with carbon wheels but the flex was so much that the cranks were rubbing off the chainstays and there was no "fix" to this, at least not one that Intense provided me with.
@@downhilldonnie wow sounds bad! Looks like you were unlucky more than a "global" issue...
What handlebar width and rise do you guys use?
We were running 40mm and 50mm rise Deity bars cut to 790mm. Riders were 6'3" to 6'5". Loved it.
No commencal ?
I love that Nukeproof pre-wraps their bikes. I don't know why this isn't an Industry standard. Every company should do this. When spending $5K minimum on a bike anyone would want it protected.
Such an underrated detail they really did a good job with. Would love to see more companies do the same rather than the usual bits of coverage here and there.
With those sprindex adjustable springs, they are 20% progressive that may have impacted the ride on the intense.
Thanks for the feedback. FWIW Lear was testing the shock with the stock Fox spring that was provided with the bike, and his impressions lined up with Jonnys. Also, I'm aware that the Sprindex springs are progressive, but where did you see that 20% number? My understanding is that they're just a little progressive at the very end of the stroke, not significantly progressive and not throughout the stroke. 20% sounds like a lot when you consider that most suspension designs don't even provide a 20% increase in leverage rate.
The Tracer is known as a (very) progressive bike. Didn't known the sprindex has a progressive effect...
Dario setup is money
Funny that every time a reviewer brings up the Slash chain dropping issue, they try to balance it out with “but it’s my fav bike”. Dropping chains is worse than headset routing, small dropper, weird bars and stem, etc.
You need to size down on the Strive. Their sizing is whack. I feel they should have made an XS instead of an XL.
It's sick in the medium (large other brands) but i feel the front center would be too long on the xl which is what you were describing.
The bike is insane for the money.
I agree, based on our experience on the bike I think it's a pretty safe rule to size down one size from what the Canyon sizing chart recommends, i.e. think of the XL as an XXL, think of the large as an XL, etc. I think Jack Moir sized down two sizes when he got on the current Strive in 2022.
Question for @charliesponsel5091 …could you expand on the comment you made about being able to get an air spring to behave more linearly than a coil? Seems counterintuitive but the robot seems to know suspension well!
Great question. Because air shocks are so inherently progressive, there are air shocks that have been designed with the singleminded goal of making them more linear, to the point that some air shocks almost feel less progressive than a coil shock. The Float X2, the old RS Vivid, and (I think) the new Vivid are great examples of this. Especially on the Float X2 or the old RS Monarch Debonair where you're able to add volume reducers to the negative spring as well as the positive spring, you can make an air shock more linear by adding volume reducers to the negative spring and taking them out of the positive chamber. This will allow you to run very low pressures while achieving the same sag and top end feel, while giving you essentially no bottom out resistance. So that's one potential way to overcome the effects of a frame that's "too progressive." Hope that makes sense.
That’s actually really interesting! I didn’t think there was a way to make a shock’s air spring digressive, since like you said, compressing air is an inherently progressive process. So would that partially be down to the ratio of positive to negative air volume that is affecting how linear an air spring is/feels?
Really like the video and commentary, one suggestion is to ease up on the slow Mo. It would be nice for reference to see what some of these shots and clips look like in real time, not just all in slow mo.
Still love my 21 patrol 🤷🏽♂️
Currently on a kenevo SL S4 at 6ft 2. I feel like 485 reach just isn't enough for me so I'm getting an S5. 35mm stem and 40mm rise bars plus I'm going to bump up the front tavel to 180 to match the over stroked rear. Race bike for next year
I'd still take my 2021 Pivot Mach 6 (full 27.5) over any bike that has been released since. Perfect for park days!
The chain kept coming off the trek in testing here off the lower idler
filling them hoops with water in the lake XD
Rad (you guys are)
now I'm sad big bear is closed
Us too
I’m leaning towards the Canyon
Nuklearproof duudes 😎🤘 Giga would beat them 😁
Why is there a factory shock on your Canyon?
Great question. The short answer is that's what Canyon shipped us. It's confusing because in the voice over Jonny says the bike has a Performance Elite shock (which is an all black shock), but in the video clip the bike clearly has the Factory shock with a Kashima shaft. The complete bike from Canyon really does come stock with the all black Performance Elite shock, but because the only difference between those two shocks is the color of the shaft, we didn't worry about it too much in our review. If you buy the bike, I believe it will arrive with an all black Performance Elite shock, and that was the point Jonny was trying to emphasize.
I think it had to do with the recent update Fox put out for the Float X2 to correct the reliability issues theyve been having.
Canyon either threw an updated shock on for us so we wouldnt have any issues, or they swapped their inventory for updated shocks and received Factory shocks in return.
Lewis Buchanan got rid of his Slash after two weeks because he couldn’t get the chain to stay on. Seems like a systemic problem and not just a one off.
Serious QC oversight in trying to rush the bike out and damaging the reputation of what was one of the best enduro bikes available.
Could we even see a product recall in the near future?
We tried adding more chain tension like Lewis did to try and solve the problem with no luck.
We’ve been told that the incorrect number of spacers were installed from the factory behind the MRP chainguide. We didnt have time to try it during the test but an additional 2mm of spacing from the iscg tabs seems to be the solution. Hopefully thats an easy and effective long term solution for those who have already bought one!
Don’t matter how fast the bike is if the chain falls off in race 🤬
no Nomad nor HD6?
love it when every bike on test is out of my budget 😥
Mine too! Luckily the best bike is often the one you already have.
We also have a budget bike test coming down the pipeline in the coming weeks!
@@JonnySimonetti sweet ✌
the mega has 160 in the rear according to nukeproof.
Mega 290s have 160mm
275/297 and you get 165mm
Yup our bad, Jonny said 170 in the voiceover but we corrected in the video by noting the 160mm travel in a text box. With 6 bikes on test and different travel numbers for different models in the manufacter's lineup, it's a lot of stats to keep track of!
Apparently, it comes in at 162mm when measured
May i know how tall are you
I'm 6'3", Lear is 6'4", and Jonny is 6'5".
Evil wreckoning for next review
Those bike expansive in my country can buy a car, I just own cheap Polygon Siskiu D7 and consider expansive in my country Malaysia.
if there is no dentist bike i would say it's not a real comparison. Enduro winning bike should be there. Last year RM and this year SB160...
and you put Spec enduro and even pro riders are going for Stampy EVO...
our sb160 review - ruclips.net/user/liveDuG757EqARs
where is the megatower
Charles failed the 180 challenge for the Indian giver.
I know, it doesn't count. I'm sorry. Lear pretty much killed me on the 180 challenge