So, we should allow China to takeover Bhutanese Territory......wow no wonder we got such Intellectual people who doesn't understand modern warfare and its consequences.
Didn't know until now that what we do resolutely held onto at Doklam was surrendered to China at the Wuhan meeting. China then went back to building that road in Doklam. Hope this is a lesson for India. Meetings with Xi can hurt India bad.
China requested for disengagement at Ladhak few a week ago. Today we are beginning to hear from China that they demand that India move back out of the Kailash Ranges and it is obvious for me to tell you that China will demand India’s pull back with threats and consequences if India do not apply. My view is that India should remain where you are now and simply reject the proposal from China with the truth that India can not trust China any more. As a Tibetan, I care for India and want the best for India. Therefore my earnest request is to make no more Himalaya Blunders like the once happened in the past.
From13:28 to 13:30 Abhijit meant Bhutanese territory and not Sikkimese, slip of tongue. Just correcting because it's about the facts, for that's what Abhijit is all about! For strategically and geopolitically the implications of both the statements are significantly astoundingly different in scale. One is our territory and the other is that of our ally and de-facto quasi protectorate. Please keep on doing the great work Abhijit, your analysis and research based on data and facts is superb. Kudos!
Abhijeet's quote about a 10 minute discussion between world leaders ruining 10 years of backdoor spadework is actually taken from "Yes Prime Minister". But in our case, both the Prime Minister and the External Affairs Ministry babus are equally inept, and frankly calamitous, at international diplomacy. Together, they are very well capable of turning every tactical victory on ground achieved on the backs of the blood & sweat of our Armed Forces into strategic defeat, just to earn some non-existent brownie points from their enemies. So India's enemies are very happy to bring India at the negotiating table, because they know they've won even before the talks start.
Please note that on time stamp 13:18 - the speaker Abhijit said that:"territory was not Indian territory but sikkimis territory " I would like to remind the speaker that host that Sikkim is a part of India and, also question the host is he also thinks that Sikkim is not a part of India?
Abhijit has clearly explained in many of his earlier posts the digitalized and networked nature of American and NATO fighter planes and military equipments. Still if we ask a naive q to him that US has offered 100+ military planes to India as support, looks like the q was not thought through. Surprised Abhijit was not annoyed with such a casual q in this forum. Jai Maha Kali
What does Abhijit mean by "there is no paucity of planes"? IAF is short 12 squadrons of fighter aircraft , almost 200 fighters. Our last six MiG-21 squadrons will be decommissioned next year. I do support him on Diwali crackers though. One automobile ban day will give us enough carbon credit for 10 years of Diwali crackers.
Well said Abhijit, fire crackers in moderation and keep up the deepavali spirit. As he rightly said production of micro-chips, gasoline, cars, and following western lifestyle pollutes environment all round the year, unfortunately the poor, domestic fire-cracker industry which doesn't have a lobby in the capital is victimized.
How is Abhijit getting his understanding and expertise on these defense issues? is he a military strategist through education, experience or self-study? I tried to find out what his credentials are, but the initial search did not yield anything. What he says seems to be very thoughtful and something only a very experienced military strategist might know? but how does he know these things? how did he acquire those skills?
Can you please get Avijit to talk about the conflict of Armenia and Ajarbizan. What really happed and what turned the table in favour of Azarbizan. What India can learn from this mini fight!
Dear Abhijit ! If the PM does not acknowledge the fact that it is China PLA sitting around the LAC and not the spirits of the mandarin overlords, We cannot maintain the farce any longer. The Indian bureaucracy had better say so too. We are still continuing the Nehruvian blunder. So let not the BJP play the cat and mouse with the public. I agree keep talking. But complete the infrastructure. Disengage with them from face to face but please study their tactics and psyche, Do not give up your advantage. Nothing will happen at present. Retd prof. of psychology!
Sivakasi is not dependant solely on Deepawali, by the way. They know how to manage things better. But for the sake of protecting our own religious rights-Hindus- we need to celebrate our festival with fervor and not be cow down by any body trying to regulate us.
There should be no practical disengagement before the end of winter as a strategic perspective. The Chinese will suffer a lot of casualties automatically due weather.
U forgot about to mention cyber domain and space domain in both sector China is way ahead maximum mobile we use are chinise they have huge data ,we want to enhance our cyber security
In the above above video it was described China's building of infrastructure. One date was 1998. Vajpayee was PM from about there on. It is surprising that he did not give emphasis, though he must be credited with the courage to do atomic tests and make India nuclear-armed. Manmohan Singh regime's role on infrastructure and nuclear arms needs to be explored. The Korean war made clear how strong PLA is. Nehru, if he had been less of an idealist and more of statesman, should have built the military and infrastructure. China, especially Chou En-Lai may have inferred that Nehru's creation of Pakistan and handling of Kashmir can be exploited, China did it!
Speaking of infrastructures, what is your take on the new dams that are being built by the Chinese that could potentially divert the water from Brahmaputra??? Also since you frivolously mentioned that communists build infrastructures for no reasons may I ask when will India capitalize on the rare earths it sits on?
comparing heights of airfields and thousand targets, war is electronic now not based on height of airfields, ECM ECCM jamming, surface to air weapons, China has gained leaps and bounds in electronic warfare, directed energy weapons, and is producing more drones than all of NATO combined, India may upgrade their economy, gain financial power then you can negotiate better
I want to hear Abhijit about possibility of chinese withdrawal from Depsang , Chusul and Galwan and about comprehensive border settlement. Modi must be watchful let him not aim at Nobel Peace Prize at cost of superior blunder , his first one being Wuhan Spirit aka DOKHLAM . Chineese constuction continue unabated at Indian - Bhutan border ...
As much I respect Abhijeet, when it comes to LAC positioning, he starts talking non-sense about accepting Google maps as the LAC as it was allegedly discussed with Google by Indian officials. Who knows what idiots from India, even compromised at the hands of China would have discussed it with Google. China has been constantly intruding into India, and Abhijeet says they are doing whatever they are on 'their' side. Why doesn't he talk about the Mcmahon line? Not an inch more compromise than that line which already is a compromise. China has entered thousands of KMs inside the Mcmahon line. Next time when you discuss China, please bring Dr Swamy for discussion, not someone who is weakening the Indian stand.
I lost respect for him when he sermonised Hindus to “get over it “ when Ma Kali was portrayed as a sexy woman by an ex(!!) Islamist. He is another garden variety secular Hindu!
@john doe we already lost Aksai Chin to China didn't we? Not only that we under UPA have been allowing Chinese incursion little by little. Even the PPs from 1 to 4 they occupy is an intrusion, coz you cannot 'occupy' a patrolling point. And you should listen to Dr Swamy's interview he clearly mentions how Modi Govt has not acknowledged Chinese incursion.
I dont agree with AIM..it seems he changes his version with each talk talk show..sometime in july in another talk show with Jaipur Dialogues sanjay Dixit just after Galwan, he said Modi wanted to build trust at Wuhan but had subsequently learnt his lesson quite fast and that's why he ordered the fast pacing of border infrastructure ..Now he says Modi will squander all the diplomatic effort of the last 10 years..it is the reverse actually..The mandarins of MEA have a mental block with the Chinese thats why we always lost the advantage..I have no doubt we squandered the gains of Doklam at Wuhan because of this attitude of the MEA and Modi was "too new" in the words of AIM to take an independent stand at the time..As AIM says Modi is a fast learner and he won't make the same mistake twice
I hope Abhijit was being sarcastic about bursting crackers and bursting people's balls but alternative employment for people involved in the firecrackers industry needs to be looked at
What are the chances of something serious coming after the end of winter? Communist regime employed clever strategies to gain their objectives. For example, admission to UN. Then denuclearisation of North Korea did no tget anywhere.Even the KMT Government did not ratify the 1914 Simla pact.
Hi, I think Abhijit meant to say Bhutanese territory but by mistake said Sikkimese territory.
Correct, He meant Bhutan. Sikkim is India anyway!
complicated topics small mistakes do happen
So, we should allow China to takeover Bhutanese Territory......wow no wonder we got such Intellectual people who doesn't understand modern warfare and its consequences.
Bhutanese territory Abhijit, not Sikkimese, Sikkim is india, it's been about 5 decades 🙏
India is supposed to protect Bhutan
what is your real name Mr Slumdog?
@@soheil527 certainly not jihadi ahmed
अभिजित भाऊ , श्री दादा , दिपावली च्या शुभेच्छा!
AIM was referring to Bhutanese territory and not Sikkimese territory, at around 13:41, in context of the Dolam standoff.
Jai Hind!
I see Abhijit Iyer Mitra's name pop up, I click the video.
No questions asked
So true. Same here🙂
But dont blindly follow him
Didn't know until now that what we do resolutely held onto at Doklam was surrendered to China at the Wuhan meeting. China then went back to building that road in Doklam. Hope this is a lesson for India. Meetings with Xi can hurt India bad.
We cannot beleive china even a wee bit should not back from the present posts
Sree and Abhijit, both of you are doing fabulous job. You both are true Sanatani and working for making it more and more stronger.
Pranam
ABSOLUTELY L O V E D the last comment by AIM!!!!
Love and Respect for Abhijit Iyer Mitra
Last sentence, love it!! Typical Abhijit style!
Interesting ending remark...Please burst firecrackers and help families in shivakashi
You two duo are just awesome
Abhijeet probably meant Bhutan when he was referring to Sikkim in his talk.
Always good to see Abhijit...and listen to him with our mouths open in aww
Happy Kali pujo.
Happy Kali Pujo Abhijit
I really follow you whenever opportunity comes.
Thanks.
Hurrah.. Abbhi is back.. Jai Maa kali
Informative indeed !
I always love this Sree-Abhijit discussions. It helps me with food for thought into unexplored relams. Keep up your exploration Sree & Abhi.
Pretty good analysis thanks both of you. This is actual a cutting the clatter than those who sell themselves in the name of cutting the clatter.
Im a simple man.... I see Abhijit Iyer Mishra, I click on the video.
Mitra
China requested for disengagement at Ladhak few a week ago. Today we are beginning to hear from China that they demand that India move back out of the Kailash Ranges and it is obvious for me to tell you that China will demand India’s pull back with threats and consequences if India do not apply. My view is that India should remain where you are now and simply reject the proposal from China with the truth that India can not trust China any more. As a Tibetan, I care for India and want the best for India. Therefore my earnest request is to make no more Himalaya Blunders like the once happened in the past.
Abhijeet ji n iyer ji jai sri ram
From13:28 to 13:30 Abhijit meant Bhutanese territory and not Sikkimese, slip of tongue.
Just correcting because it's about the facts, for that's what Abhijit is all about!
For strategically and geopolitically the implications of both the statements are significantly astoundingly different in scale. One is our territory and the other is that of our ally and de-facto quasi protectorate.
Please keep on doing the great work Abhijit, your analysis and research based on data and facts is superb. Kudos!
Great work Sree 👌👌👌👌👌
Greetings from Sydney Abhijeet!
The last line of abijit was a punch 🤜
wow. the last statement made my day.
Abhijeet's quote about a 10 minute discussion between world leaders ruining 10 years of backdoor spadework is actually taken from "Yes Prime Minister".
But in our case, both the Prime Minister and the External Affairs Ministry babus are equally inept, and frankly calamitous, at international diplomacy. Together, they are very well capable of turning every tactical victory on ground achieved on the backs of the blood & sweat of our Armed Forces into strategic defeat, just to earn some non-existent brownie points from their enemies.
So India's enemies are very happy to bring India at the negotiating table, because they know they've won even before the talks start.
Abhijeet ke jaanai Kali Pujor onek Shubhechha
Please note that on time stamp 13:18 - the speaker Abhijit said that:"territory was not Indian territory but sikkimis territory " I would like to remind the speaker that host that Sikkim is a part of India and, also question the host is he also thinks that Sikkim is not a part of India?
शुभ दिपावली🎉🎉🎉
Happy kalipuja to everyone..
Well spoken
India should build air bases inside mountains with hidden multiple exits.
Unnecessary expenditure!
To Abhijit, what is your opinion/thoughts on the RCEP being signed by 14 countries with China, and India staying out of it?
India will benefit, indian manufacturers will be benefitted
I don't know why iove to hear AIM - his knowledge or his sense of humour 😀
Sir What about kailash Mansarovar Ranges.
Happy Diwali (belated) to all
Abhijit has clearly explained in many of his earlier posts the digitalized and networked nature of American and NATO fighter planes and military equipments. Still if we ask a naive q to him that US has offered 100+ military planes to India as support, looks like the q was not thought through. Surprised Abhijit was not annoyed with such a casual q in this forum. Jai Maha Kali
Best part 15:50
What does Abhijit mean by "there is no paucity of planes"? IAF is short 12 squadrons of fighter aircraft , almost 200 fighters. Our last six MiG-21 squadrons will be decommissioned next year. I do support him on Diwali crackers though. One automobile ban day will give us enough carbon credit for 10 years of Diwali crackers.
Please share your views on directed energy weapons of India and china
Sikkim is a part of india.....hw cn it b sikkimese territory exclusive from india...
Bhutanese territory
He is a fake expert
2021 March you meant. Anyways, great insigths in terms of the situation and predications of further event.🙃🙃🙃
Jai Maa Kaali 🙏🙏🙏
👌👌👏👏
India🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳India
Well said Abhijit, fire crackers in moderation and keep up the deepavali spirit. As he rightly said production of micro-chips, gasoline, cars, and following western lifestyle pollutes environment all round the year, unfortunately the poor, domestic fire-cracker industry which doesn't have a lobby in the capital is victimized.
Avijit ji jai ma kali
How is Abhijit getting his understanding and expertise on these defense issues? is he a military strategist through education, experience or self-study? I tried to find out what his credentials are, but the initial search did not yield anything. What he says seems to be very thoughtful and something only a very experienced military strategist might know? but how does he know these things? how did he acquire those skills?
He's studied for his skills, which are considerable.
Can you please get Avijit to talk about the conflict of Armenia and Ajarbizan. What really happed and what turned the table in favour of Azarbizan. What India can learn from this mini fight!
If Air Power is the key, can't drones play a part instead of pilots driving combat aircrafts ..
Dear Abhijit ! If the PM does not acknowledge the fact that it is China PLA sitting around the LAC and not the spirits of the mandarin overlords, We cannot maintain the farce any longer. The Indian bureaucracy had better say so too. We are still continuing the Nehruvian blunder. So let not the BJP play the cat and mouse with the public. I agree keep talking. But complete the infrastructure. Disengage with them from face to face but please study their tactics and psyche, Do not give up your advantage. Nothing will happen at present. Retd prof. of psychology!
Sivakasi is not dependant solely on Deepawali, by the way. They know how to manage things better. But for the sake of protecting our own religious rights-Hindus- we need to celebrate our festival with fervor and not be cow down by any body trying to regulate us.
Pl. Ask abhijit are we going to vacate kailesh heights?
Sri and Abhijeet, Doklam is Bhutanese territory. Not Sikkimese. Sikkim is not under dispute. Cheers.
just a minute , does dept of agriculture mean these cold desert areas are actually arable?
💐💐💐👌👌👌
They will come back in 2027. Now they sent kids to fight a war , hoping kids will become soldiers in 2027.
What about depsang
India is in a strong position in Ladakh by taking over the heights in kailash range we should maintain status quo and not go back to status quo ante
Sikkim is a part of India.
There should be no practical disengagement before the end of winter as a strategic perspective. The Chinese will suffer a lot of casualties automatically due weather.
U forgot about to mention cyber domain and space domain in both sector China is way ahead maximum mobile we use are chinise they have huge data ,we want to enhance our cyber security
This chap called our troops canon fodder and now he calls himself a sanaatni.
In 1962 USA was busy in Cuban missile issue, and China exploited it leading to the Sino-Indian war.
This takal is a fake expert! He knows nothing about what he is talking!!
In the above above video it was described China's building of infrastructure. One date was 1998. Vajpayee was PM from about there on. It is surprising that he did not give emphasis, though he must be credited with the courage to do atomic tests and make India nuclear-armed. Manmohan Singh regime's role on infrastructure and nuclear arms needs to be explored.
The Korean war made clear how strong PLA is. Nehru, if he had been less of an idealist and more of statesman, should have built the military and infrastructure. China, especially Chou En-Lai may have inferred that Nehru's creation of Pakistan and handling of Kashmir can be exploited, China did it!
Is it necessary to disengage from the china border?
Namobharat VandeMataram
Jai Modi Ji🇮🇳Jai Bharath
Speaking of infrastructures, what is your take on the new dams that are being built by the Chinese that could potentially divert the water from Brahmaputra??? Also since you frivolously mentioned that communists build infrastructures for no reasons may I ask when will India capitalize on the rare earths it sits on?
wake up, sir!
comparing heights of airfields and thousand targets, war is electronic now not based on height of airfields, ECM ECCM jamming, surface to air weapons, China has gained leaps and bounds in electronic warfare, directed energy weapons, and is producing more drones than all of NATO combined, India may upgrade their economy, gain financial power then you can negotiate better
13:26 I think Mitra means Bhutanese territory here?
Naxalite is the future of India.
One correction Abhijeet : It’s NOT Chinese Tibet....it’s ChinaOccupiedTibet !!!
I want to hear Abhijit about possibility of chinese withdrawal from Depsang , Chusul and Galwan and about comprehensive border settlement. Modi must be watchful let him not aim at Nobel Peace Prize at cost of superior blunder , his first one being Wuhan Spirit aka DOKHLAM .
Chineese constuction continue unabated at Indian - Bhutan border ...
joy Ma Kali
As much I respect Abhijeet, when it comes to LAC positioning, he starts talking non-sense about accepting Google maps as the LAC as it was allegedly discussed with Google by Indian officials. Who knows what idiots from India, even compromised at the hands of China would have discussed it with Google. China has been constantly intruding into India, and Abhijeet says they are doing whatever they are on 'their' side. Why doesn't he talk about the Mcmahon line? Not an inch more compromise than that line which already is a compromise. China has entered thousands of KMs inside the Mcmahon line.
Next time when you discuss China, please bring Dr Swamy for discussion, not someone who is weakening the Indian stand.
I lost respect for him when he sermonised Hindus to “get over it “ when Ma Kali was portrayed as a sexy woman by an ex(!!) Islamist. He is another garden variety secular Hindu!
@@vish2553 really! That's terrible
@@richaneesh yeah, he and Sham Sharma. Watch the RUclips videos ( the sham sharma show) on this.
@@vish2553 Will check it out
@john doe we already lost Aksai Chin to China didn't we? Not only that we under UPA have been allowing Chinese incursion little by little. Even the PPs from 1 to 4 they occupy is an intrusion, coz you cannot 'occupy' a patrolling point. And you should listen to Dr Swamy's interview he clearly mentions how Modi Govt has not acknowledged Chinese incursion.
Dokalam, If it is Sikkim territory means it is Indian Territory. I think Dokalam is Bhutan's territory.
It's bhutan not sikkim...
No harm in day dreaming
Abhijit Iyer have u lost your marbles ! Sikkim is a part of India 🤨
👍🏽
Abhijeet that's Bhutanese territory.
It is a trap. They just want to know how much time does it take!!
Is it true that China used microwave weapons on India in Ladakh?
Did Modi's handling of Doklam at Wuhan encourage China to create the current problem in Ladakh? Tis question needs to be explored.
Modi / India never learnt a single lesson, I agree with Abhijit
Not Sikkimese but Bhutanese Territory please
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Butanese territory Abhijeet, not Sikkimese territory
Not Sikkim territory but Bhutanese territory.
I dont agree with AIM..it seems he changes his version with each talk talk show..sometime in july in another talk show with Jaipur Dialogues sanjay Dixit just after Galwan, he said Modi wanted to build trust at Wuhan but had subsequently learnt his lesson quite fast and that's why he ordered the fast pacing of border infrastructure ..Now he says Modi will squander all the diplomatic effort of the last 10 years..it is the reverse actually..The mandarins of MEA have a mental block with the Chinese thats why we always lost the advantage..I have no doubt we squandered the gains of Doklam at Wuhan because of this attitude of the MEA and Modi was "too new" in the words of AIM to take an independent stand at the time..As AIM says Modi is a fast learner and he won't make the same mistake twice
I hope Abhijit was being sarcastic about bursting crackers and bursting people's balls but alternative employment for people involved in the firecrackers industry needs to be looked at
CCP China can ease its burden by giving independence to Tibet
What are the chances of something serious coming after the end of winter?
Communist regime employed clever strategies to gain their objectives. For example, admission to UN. Then denuclearisation of North Korea did no tget anywhere.Even the KMT Government did not ratify the 1914 Simla pact.
dude doklam is Bhutanese territory not Sikkimese..which btw wud be Indian territory