Great video. I have a 2015 Citroen C3. 80 000 on the clock. Just booked mine in for this exact job. Done well to have it last that long! The car started to burn oil, which alerted me to the problem.
Ι have a citroen c3 1,2 82 12/2017. 90000 km the half with lpg gas, still no problem. I changed oil sooner. Every 10-12k km. Burn one liter oil every time.
Hi mate, do you have the same engine as this fitted?.. This one cost nearly 2k to do the job, however I did a clutch on it and service at the same time. I would to be honest want to supply the parts as I cannot warrant parts I do not supply, irregardless of where they are bought from.
Exactly the same happened to my 2019 c3 back in November, 38k miles so pretty much the same mileage . Same error messages same issue with car having to stop immediately and throwing all errors. Took to citroen and they said it was an issue with belts and that they had changed them since but makes me not really trust the car even if mine has been fixed.
Soglad i have a old pushrod v8 with hydralic lifters and a external oilpump and a very short double row timing chain that last the life of the engine.....What i spend more on fuel i save on repair bills...
that system looks a proper retrograde step ,apparently 30% less friction but only 1% fuel efficiency improvement ....gimme the friction anyday ,thanks for the film
I just had the same problem on my c4 cactus 2015. Timing belt was rotten and had to replace the oilpump and oil pressure sensor. After 7 years and 55k Kilometer.
@@yungsunchan9906 had to do two cleaning runs on the engine with fresh oil. Timing belt got changes obviosly, the "flatbelt" (dont know the english Word for it), also new oil pump. Cleaned out one magnetvalve and changed to other, changed to oil sensor since it was clogged. Overall around 2000€. About 5000km later had ro change crankshaft sensor but no idea if thats connected. Also the engine uses a less viscid oil now since thats needed for the new timing belt.
What is the current situation with the new Citroen C4 PureTech 1.2 100HP engine regarding known issues in the past, are they better now? I really appreciate any help you can provide.
Hello, I’m just wondering how to time one of these back up after having the head off because the timing belt got shredded and lost timing and I’ve never timed an engine up before with variable timing
I know that when you buy the replacement belts they are of different materials so they are “supposed” to not break up, I am not sure if they fit the updated belts to the new engines or have stuck with the old type.
Hi mate, oil pump was changed due to the pump would of been running basically dry due to the pickup being blocked, I didn’t (and nor did the customer) want to as the chance of it having premature failure.!
Without warranty, how much did it cost for replace oil pump and timing belt like you did above? Does changing oil to PSA specs regularly help mitigate the issue? I change engine oil for 2018 plate every 3-5k and visually check the timing belt via oil cap place.
I think from memory it was around 2k for the job. However we did a clutch kit and a few other bits to the car while it was all in bits so it may be a bit cheaper, it really just depends on the place you take it, some will be 40 an hour, some can be 80.. ! Oil in theory you want to keep to spec, however any oil is going to degrade a rubber belt over time. Inspection of the belt through the hole is all well and good however you cannot see the front toothed side of the belt, so makes it difficult to see what’s going on. Best way is probably to remove the sump and take a look at the pickup tube for the oil pump.
Faced same problem wiht my 2015 citroen c elysee 1.2 vti in 96 km.pump cleaned and problem solved. But not changed timing Belt. Do you think need to be changed?
I have a 66 plate C3 with a 1.2 pure tech engine. I am losing half a tank of oil a week. Oil is being pushed out via oil cap but I have replaced oil cap. Could back pressure be caused by a similar issue to what you are highlighting? The oil pump was changed about 3 years ago under warranty?
Hi there, it sounds like you have high crank case pressure, possibly caused by a worn out engine, if you have oil being forced out oh the cap it must be under some serious pressure. Or potentially a breather isn’t connected properly. Without looking at the vehicle it is difficult to diagnose over message! 🤦🏼♂️
@@Chris_CDB can you show us the breather part. Im diagnosing my wifes car and i found a very strange air puff if i remove the dipstick or the oil cap. Im familiar with breathers messing up on e46 and braking turbos but in this case does it use some membrane or just a simple pipe?
Save all the hassle buy a Japanese car our suzuki old 61 plate swift got 152,000 miles never needed a spanner just passed MOT No jobs to do cost peanuts to run
Yea unfortunately that’s when it seems to show itself after you have disturbed oil filter ect! Unfortunately these cars are becoming more and more common in the workshop !
@@Chris_CDB Chevrolet is using a version of this engine in their new Trax SUV. The 1.2 engines use 2 wet belts. Chevy says the belts should be changed at 150K. I will not be looking at one of these.
Hello, I drive a citroen ds3 with this problem. After replacing the oil pump, belt kit etc. It still consumes all the available oil after about 1000km. Anyone who has experienced this? I would greatly appreciate some advise🙏😭
my wifes car has been sitting on my parents drive for 4 weeks now due to this problem, its a ds3 puretech 1.2 engine on a 2016 plate with 73k miles, it sounds like a ww2 tank, we are gutted we cant use it cos we are still bloody paying for it, rang ds company which is a seperate company to citreon since 2013, and he told me they are repairing the problem as they know about it but they have stopped investigation work for a few months now, so cant even use it till they start up again, im thinking of just getting someone out to have a look and see if they can just clean up the oil strainer on the oil pump for now so we can use the car till ds company books it in, but in all honesty we dont know what else to do as we certainly havent got £2k to spend on it thats for sure, any help with this matter would be greatfully received cdb mechanics.
Hi mate, right there are other options you have here, the reason that the oil pump was changed on this particular car is because it was still under the manufacturers warranty and it had to be changed as matter of course., however just last week I had another one in wit the self same issue, we managed to clean the oil strainer, flush the system, and fit a new belt for less that half the cost. Where are you based mate? As we may be able to help out.
Yea im based in Kent, about 3 and a half hours away. Would be a fair treck to recover it to me!, you would probably spend as much on the recovery to me as it would to do the actual repair!
@@Chris_CDB yeah it probably would, kents a long way away lol, i will have to ask garages around my area i think, thanks for your video and help, atleast i know whats wrong with it now :)
Yea mate, sump off clean strainer, replace timing belt kit, clean vacuum pump strainer too. If you really do get stuck then send me a post code, I can always get a quote from recovery to see how much for arguments sake!
GOD! SAME AS THE BLOODY 1.0 FORD ECOBOOST(BOOM). ENGINE DESIGNERS ARE NUTS!!! DISGRACEFUL. Nice fix, but I understand Fords give no warning and the engine is suddenly destroyed.
Yes unfortunately it is becoming more and more common place in a lot of engines now days!.. main cause is people not using the right oil when servicing.
This engine is used in lots and lots of PSA cars, yeah various other companies use a similar design as well... That being said I have this 1.2 82hp Vti engine and it has 170k km's without any issues, the belt was replaced once at 90k km's, I guess apart from the belt issues this is a pretty stout little engine
What a terrible design imagine thinking that a wet belt was a good idea!!! the stuff mechanics have to deal with these days is just stupid designs engineered to fail it has to be done on purpose to make profit in aftercare cause theres no way they are that stupid
The most stupid idea ever thought of and who thought of it? The Italians. I'm not a mechanic just a do it your selfer and was told by an old timer mechanic when changing a timing belt /cambelt never to get oil on it.
Yes unfortunately this is an idea that is not ideal, the belt is supposed to be oil resistant, however as you can see it doesn’t seem to live up to the task
@@Chris_CDB Yep, My Daughter has 2018 plate Peugeot pure tech oil warning light light on and has been called in for a check by dealer I told her to tell them to change the belt free of charge. Only done 40k.
Puretech family engines were engineered by Peugeot (PSA), so the stupid idea is french. To "resolve" the problem they changed timing belt material and shortened mileage between timing belt replacement.
Great video. I have a 2015 Citroen C3. 80 000 on the clock. Just booked mine in for this exact job. Done well to have it last that long! The car started to burn oil, which alerted me to the problem.
Ι have a citroen c3 1,2 82 12/2017. 90000 km the half with lpg gas, still no problem. I changed oil sooner. Every 10-12k km. Burn one liter oil every time.
Excellent video! Will you be able to change my belt in my Peugeot 108 if I supply it? How much would it cost?
Hi mate, do you have the same engine as this fitted?.. This one cost nearly 2k to do the job, however I did a clutch on it and service at the same time. I would to be honest want to supply the parts as I cannot warrant parts I do not supply, irregardless of where they are bought from.
Exactly the same happened to my 2019 c3 back in November, 38k miles so pretty much the same mileage . Same error messages same issue with car having to stop immediately and throwing all errors. Took to citroen and they said it was an issue with belts and that they had changed them since but makes me not really trust the car even if mine has been fixed.
Yea it’s difficult to imagine it not repeating the fault!
Thanks your share! My C3 PICASSO is same, Can you tell me how much you pay to fixed?
Great video cheers sandy
No problem!
Tengo un motor puretech 60.000 km y todo muy bien eso si el mantenimiento al dia
de que año es?
@@xkais487 2021 abril
great job and filming was spot on...where are you based mate?
Based in north Kent (sheerness)
Soglad i have a old pushrod v8 with hydralic lifters and a external oilpump and a very short double row timing chain that last the life of the engine.....What i spend more on fuel i save on repair bills...
Technology isn't all it's cracked up to be.
That is true
that system looks a proper retrograde step ,apparently 30% less friction but only 1% fuel efficiency improvement ....gimme the friction anyday ,thanks for the film
No problem,
I just had the same problem on my c4 cactus 2015. Timing belt was rotten and had to replace the oilpump and oil pressure sensor. After 7 years and 55k Kilometer.
Thanks your share! My C3 PICASSO is same, Can you tell me how much you pay to fixed?
It will be a high price due to the labour involved in fixing it properly.
@@yungsunchan9906 had to do two cleaning runs on the engine with fresh oil. Timing belt got changes obviosly, the "flatbelt" (dont know the english Word for it), also new oil pump. Cleaned out one magnetvalve and changed to other, changed to oil sensor since it was clogged. Overall around 2000€. About 5000km later had ro change crankshaft sensor but no idea if thats connected.
Also the engine uses a less viscid oil now since thats needed for the new timing belt.
55000 kilometers in seven years is the main problem. Many short distance and cold starts ruins the belt more.
did you change the vacuum pump have you seen the sevice bulletin
What is the current situation with the new Citroen C4 PureTech 1.2 100HP engine regarding known issues in the past, are they better now?
I really appreciate any help you can provide.
Did you bought the car?
Hello, I’m just wondering how to time one of these back up after having the head off because the timing belt got shredded and lost timing and I’ve never timed an engine up before with variable timing
You will need the engine timing kit to lock the head / cams and bottom end
Does the new timining belts have that problem, which they put in the new 2022 Puretech engines?
I know that when you buy the replacement belts they are of different materials so they are “supposed” to not break up, I am not sure if they fit the updated belts to the new engines or have stuck with the old type.
I’ve got a 70 plate with exact same issue
Why to change the oil pump? If you clean the filter is not ok? it was damaged ?
Hi mate, oil pump was changed due to the pump would of been running basically dry due to the pickup being blocked, I didn’t (and nor did the customer) want to as the chance of it having premature failure.!
Without warranty, how much did it cost for replace oil pump and timing belt like you did above?
Does changing oil to PSA specs regularly help mitigate the issue? I change engine oil for 2018 plate every 3-5k and visually check the timing belt via oil cap place.
I think from memory it was around 2k for the job. However we did a clutch kit and a few other bits to the car while it was all in bits so it may be a bit cheaper, it really just depends on the place you take it, some will be 40 an hour, some can be 80.. ! Oil in theory you want to keep to spec, however any oil is going to degrade a rubber belt over time. Inspection of the belt through the hole is all well and good however you cannot see the front toothed side of the belt, so makes it difficult to see what’s going on. Best way is probably to remove the sump and take a look at the pickup tube for the oil pump.
I'm paying £450 to replace mine.
@@johnnyslow4887can I ask which county you are in?
Uk.
Uk, England.
Faced same problem wiht my 2015 citroen c elysee 1.2 vti in 96 km.pump cleaned and problem solved. But not changed timing Belt. Do you think need to be changed?
На пежо 2008 2014г,я поменял на 140т, в поддон не заглядывал, открыл на 180т,мусор был но не критично.
YES!
I am thinking of purchasing this model citroen whats the actual mileage of this failed oil pump and the timeing belt please
I believe he said the vehicle had 40K miles on it.
I have a 66 plate C3 with a 1.2 pure tech engine. I am losing half a tank of oil a week. Oil is being pushed out via oil cap but I have replaced oil cap. Could back pressure be caused by a similar issue to what you are highlighting? The oil pump was changed about 3 years ago under warranty?
Hi there, it sounds like you have high crank case pressure, possibly caused by a worn out engine, if you have oil being forced out oh the cap it must be under some serious pressure. Or potentially a breather isn’t connected properly. Without looking at the vehicle it is difficult to diagnose over message! 🤦🏼♂️
@@Chris_CDB can you show us the breather part. Im diagnosing my wifes car and i found a very strange air puff if i remove the dipstick or the oil cap.
Im familiar with breathers messing up on e46 and braking turbos but in this case does it use some membrane or just a simple pipe?
Hola cuántos años tiene el coche y km .gracias
Do 2022- 2023 puretech 1.2 130cv engines still have this problem?
No - in fact the newest variant doesn't even have timing belt anymore, but a chain. Go for the 136 hp rated engine instead of the 130 hp.
@profermeritus, As I know officially Peugeot never didn't say that.
If that happened could you send me a link about that?
Save all the hassle buy a Japanese car our suzuki old 61 plate swift got 152,000 miles never needed a spanner just passed MOT No jobs to do cost peanuts to run
Got this fault now after a a full service and low milage car think il set fire to it
What a complete shit show 1500 £ at least junk car
Yea unfortunately that’s when it seems to show itself after you have disturbed oil filter ect! Unfortunately these cars are becoming more and more common in the workshop !
@@Chris_CDB Chevrolet is using a version of this engine in their new Trax SUV. The 1.2 engines use 2 wet belts. Chevy says the belts should be changed at 150K. I will not be looking at one of these.
Hello, I drive a citroen ds3 with this problem. After replacing the oil pump, belt kit etc. It still consumes all the available oil after about 1000km. Anyone who has experienced this? I would greatly appreciate some advise🙏😭
These engines unfortunately wear prematurely and do consume oil as they do.
my wifes car has been sitting on my parents drive for 4 weeks now due to this problem, its a ds3 puretech 1.2 engine on a 2016 plate with 73k miles, it sounds like a ww2 tank, we are gutted we cant use it cos we are still bloody paying for it, rang ds company which is a seperate company to citreon since 2013, and he told me they are repairing the problem as they know about it but they have stopped investigation work for a few months now, so cant even use it till they start up again, im thinking of just getting someone out to have a look and see if they can just clean up the oil strainer on the oil pump for now so we can use the car till ds company books it in, but in all honesty we dont know what else to do as we certainly havent got £2k to spend on it thats for sure, any help with this matter would be greatfully received cdb mechanics.
Hi mate, right there are other options you have here, the reason that the oil pump was changed on this particular car is because it was still under the manufacturers warranty and it had to be changed as matter of course., however just last week I had another one in wit the self same issue, we managed to clean the oil strainer, flush the system, and fit a new belt for less that half the cost. Where are you based mate? As we may be able to help out.
@CDB MECHANICS hi thanks for the reply, I'm based near Newport in Wales, not sure where your based too though.
Yea im based in Kent, about 3 and a half hours away. Would be a fair treck to recover it to me!, you would probably spend as much on the recovery to me as it would to do the actual repair!
@@Chris_CDB yeah it probably would, kents a long way away lol, i will have to ask garages around my area i think, thanks for your video and help, atleast i know whats wrong with it now :)
Yea mate, sump off clean strainer, replace timing belt kit, clean vacuum pump strainer too. If you really do get stuck then send me a post code, I can always get a quote from recovery to see how much for arguments sake!
Does the engine come out the top?
Comes out the front mate. Front end has to come off, or you can drop it out the bottom if you have a ramp
@@Chris_CDB thanks for the info, much appreciated.
GOD! SAME AS THE BLOODY 1.0 FORD ECOBOOST(BOOM).
ENGINE DESIGNERS ARE NUTS!!!
DISGRACEFUL.
Nice fix, but I understand Fords give no warning and the engine is suddenly destroyed.
Nice job
This same thing ford 1.0 liter eco booms do
This is not a VTI engine, this is a Puretech engine
Hence the title
@@Chris_CDB did you check for oil dilution problem ?
@@michaelmeldhede3126 no need to, belt was replaced with new version which is not affected by the oil/fuel dilution.
Brilliant work. What a terrible design. Shall never buy a C3 with this engine.
Yes unfortunately it is becoming more and more common place in a lot of engines now days!.. main cause is people not using the right oil when servicing.
This engine is used in lots and lots of PSA cars, yeah various other companies use a similar design as well...
That being said I have this 1.2 82hp Vti engine and it has 170k km's without any issues, the belt was replaced once at 90k km's, I guess apart from the belt issues this is a pretty stout little engine
This engine is now used in many Vauxhall's too, with the formation of stellantis group
This engine is in Opels and Peugeots too
EB0 - 1.0 L (999 cc) Euro 5 50 kW (68 hp) (Used in early Peugeot 208 I)EB2FA - 1.2 L (1,199 cc) Euro 6 55 kW (75 hp) @ 5750 rpm, 118 Nm @ 2750 rpm (Used in Peugeot 208 II, Opel Corsa F, Opel Crossland X)EB2F - 1.2 L (1,199 cc) Euro 6 61 kW (82 hp 2017-2020) (83 hp 2020-present) (Used in Citroen C1 II (2014-2018), Citroën C3 III)EB2ADTD - 1.2 L (1,199 cc) turbo Euro 6 74 kW (100 hp) @ 5500 rpm, 205 Nm @ 1750 rpm (Used in Peugeot 208 II, Opel Corsa F)EB2DT / EB2ADT - 1.2 L (1,199 cc) turbo Euro 6 81 kW (110 hp) @ 5500 rpm, 205 Nm @ 1750 rpm (Used in Citroën C3 III, Opel Combo, Opel Crossland X)EB2DTS - 1.2 L (1,199 cc) turbo Euro 6 96 kW (130 hp) @ 5500 rpm, 230 Nm @ 1750 rpm (Used in Peugeot 208 II, Opel Corsa F, Opel Grandland X, Peugeot 308 II)EB2ADTS - 1.2 L (1,199 cc) turbo Euro 6 100 kW (136 hp) @ 5500 rpm, 231 Nm @ 1750 rpm (Used in Opel Combo, Peugeot 308 III, MPM Erelis)EB2ADTX - 1.2 L (1,199 cc) turbo Euro 6 115 kW (155 hp) @ 5500 rpm, 240 Nm @ 1750 rpm (Used in Peugeot 2008 GT, Citroën C4 (2020), Jeep Avenger, Fiat 600 (2023))
What a terrible design imagine thinking that a wet belt was a good idea!!!
the stuff mechanics have to deal with these days is just stupid designs engineered to fail it has to be done on purpose to make profit in aftercare cause theres no way they are that stupid
The most stupid idea ever thought of and who thought of it? The Italians. I'm not a mechanic just a do it your selfer and was told by an old timer mechanic when changing a timing belt /cambelt never to get oil on it.
Yes unfortunately this is an idea that is not ideal, the belt is supposed to be oil resistant, however as you can see it doesn’t seem to live up to the task
@@Chris_CDB Yep, My Daughter has 2018 plate Peugeot pure tech oil warning light light on and has been called in for a check by dealer I told her to tell them to change the belt free of charge. Only done 40k.
Puretech family engines were engineered by Peugeot (PSA), so the stupid idea is french. To "resolve" the problem they changed timing belt material and shortened mileage between timing belt replacement.
Idiot, the stupid idea is french!!!
@@poofighter3741 idiot, this is a Peugeot engine!! Gli Italiani fanno i motori migliori al mondo.
This is a PSA engine.