I don't think I've ever had such a vivid picture of the suffering Jesus endured until I heard you mention why Jesus would have had lacerations on his chest and stomach. That was just the beginning. Thank you, Jesus.
He went through GREAT suffering to save us from sin. Unfortunately, there is still far too much hatred and wars. We are ALL equal. Let's make PEACE instead of war.
So a picture of a dead man is evidence of resurrection? The man could literally be any man from whatever time period this is from. No scientific method ever would be able to verify the identity of this man, since there are no known descendants from whoever the man is. Another thing that’s really funny to me about this whole thing, is the way these people cling to the scientific evidence they think speaks in favor of their religion. However when it comes to fact of evolution they dismiss scientific evidence. So science is wrong about evolution but right about the shroud of Turin? You people baffle me….
You Sir have my utmost respect. Read your books and have seen some of your presentations. I believe you are the Son Christ wants us all to be. Be blessed and thank you so much for all your fine works.
It was a linen burial cloth. It was not photoreactive in any way. The 'radiation' noted happened in an EXTREMELY intense but very brief burst of energy DURING the moment of RESURRECTION. That's what makes this artifact so special, it is a 'photographic' record of the RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ.
Is it not just incredible in this day and age that there are still people out there, poor souls, that are clueless enough to actually call the Holy Shroud a fake? Amazing. I hope that they get the help that they need very soon!
@captainobvious2435 I don't know of anyone that needs the burial shroud of Jesus to believe in him. But a little bit more proof just brings us even closer to him. And that's not a bad thing.
@captainobvious2435 Jesus said we will know his disciples by their love for one another. Don't be so quick to condemn. There might be someone out there on the fence and having physical evidence might be what brings them to faith in this modern world that is obsessed with science. God is revealing things all over for the greatest harvest. Show the fruits of the Spirit.
Dr. Habermas, I read your book "Verdict on the Shroud" in 1980 and I came to believe the Shroud was the burial cloth of Christ. I never let the C-14 results dissuade me, even when the news came out. Thank you after all these years.
@@vladtheemailer3223 More like, don’t be too quick to completely abandon a position based on trivial or incomplete data. Today the evidence is staggering that the shroud is authentic. He was right to be patient.
@vladtheemailer3223 pithy, misrepresentive, and contemptuous rhetoric really does expose those who seem to just be out to have a dishonest fight. Shame.
@vladtheemailer3223 considering that a new dating test has placed the shroud at about 50 AD, and the scientists who worked on the shroud in the 80s didn’t believe the carbon dating test was reliable, I would hesitate to call that a “fact”
Dr. Habermas brings arguments for authenticity of the Shroud I’ve never heard before. I am a believer in its authenticity already. There are manifold reasons to believe in Christ as Redeemer and Savior and Lord, as the same God who raised Jesus from the dead, still answers prayers in Jesus’ name!
@@tobias4411There is no evidence of forgery. There is a claim by a medieval Bishop to have known the forger but no one can make a plausible guess how. Everything else points to the Shroud being a lot older than medieval.
@@tobias4411 ok make a similar fake then. Should be easy for you as the forgery is hundreds of years old right? Should have better technology to do it.
R.I.P. Barrie and God bless you for all that you have done for Jesus. I hope that you have come to Jesus Christ, as your Saviour, before you've passed away.
@@Herp234 He was the official photographer of the original STURP team. An Orthodox Jew who has given us the incites in the burial customs of the 1st century Jews. About why the face cloth was separated from the Shroud and put apart from it (John 20: 6-7) ... He confirmed that, from what he saw in the data and writings in the Gospels, Jesus was buried according to the Jewish customs. Check out any of his videos and interviews - Barrie was an excellent guy.
Num 6:24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: Num 6:25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: Num 6:26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.
@ If not, then why are you watching this,, AND taking the time to comment? You might want to sit down and REFLECT , but then again, you’re probably just a BOT 🤖
@@rationald6799 It would seem that this particular piece of evidence is disputed based on false premises. Besides, the hiddenness of God is necessary for us to be able to freely choose between accepting Him or rejecting Him. Because God wants genuine love - not worship robots - we need to be able to freely choose. Genuine love requires free will. Atheists are like a man standing at the beach claiming there are no seashells because his metal detector cannot find any! "There are no evidence!" Yeah, because you reject it all a priori, without being able to rationally justify your beliefs.
@@mirandahotspring4019 uhm you do realize that OP is correct and independent experts and labs continue to confirm that statement. The original test took ONE strand of the shroud and cut it into three pieces and sent that off to three separate labs. This is *NOT* how you carbon date, not only do you not use the same strain for three seperate test (you would use 3 seperate strains), you also wouldn't use an area that you know is not the original. There's a reason that those who collected the original data for this "carbon dating" spent 20 years fighting against releasing the data and had to be forced to by the courts. But Im sure that's just perfectly normal or perhaps it's you that just needs to cope harder.
"Whoever is ashamed of me before man, before him will I be ashamed on the day of judgement." Closet believers are not something to look up to. God bless him still.
One piece of possible evidence to disprove it as Jesus burial cloth showing his resurrection would be if it can be duplicated. I haven't seen someone duplicate it yet.
His death was announced on the Shroud website. I spoke to him in May and he told me then that his kidneys were shutting down due to his leukemia and that he did not have long to live and asked me to keep him in my prayers. And of course, I told him that I would and I did. After that, I could never get him on his home phone or cell phone again. I sent some emails but got no response. Then a few weeks later he was gone. I was so sad and still am. We really lost a great one with Barrie. 😞
You should contact Father Robert Spitzer about this topic. He is a Brilliant man and can be of great assistance communicating the truth about the Shroud of Jesus.
Father Spitzer is great and so is Fr Andrew Dalton‘s presentations. They go into detail about the radiation, the 3-D encoding, the pollen grains ,the weave of the linen ,the probable blood type and more. Gary’s talk here is a good introduction.
Catholicism has been a lie from the very beginning. Jesus never founded a state run religion. Jesus also wasn't catholic and Mary never prayed the rosery. Peter is not the Rock, Jesus is. The Shroud is real. But the Shroud is Jewish not catholic.
The fingers look long because the shroud is an image created over tenths of a second during the resurrection/ The fingers moved slightly during the resurrection thats why they appear longer. Same reason why the arm is longer, it was dislocated and the shadow created is the shoulder being put back into place during the resurrection.
I think the shroud was one of the major things that made me go from "I think christianity is conceptually true and it's values are good for society" to "no, actually Christianity is just flat out true and Christ is Lord and if Christianity's true, catholicism is true and if that's the case a while lotta crazy things you see in the world snap into place and make sense."
Jesus Christ is true. However, Catholicism is not Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ hasn't changed whereas Catholicism has changed several times over. Don't claim conclusions beyond the evidence.
More and more I am of the opinion is that the Shroud was intended for us, for our time, and for the future. In the past people possessed easy belief in God and Jesus; nowadays, people are more cynical, less inclined to believe in God and the existence of Jesus. The figure contained within the Shroud was not that obvious to people in the past; however, with modern Science, the image is properly revealed and the mystery of Jesus' resurrection made clear.
So you're saying that there is an another cloth applied around the jaw after the Suderium of Oviedo is removed. Every time l watch something on the Shroud there is something new to be learned! ❤
Brethren please pray for me. I am trapped in some weaknesses that causes me to me to win against our Lord. I want to become his instrument for evangelism.
I think the conclusion can only be 100% certain: it is indeed Jesus. You made a great presentation and provide no way to conclude otherwise, which baffles me a little as to why you only assign an 80-90% on the probability that it is Jesus. By your own testimony, it can ONLY be Jesus. Either way, I enjoyed this.
Great talk, I deeply value Dr Habermas' research and presentation of conclusions. Could opponents argue, though, that the shroud was also copied from the same image as those early depictions? Would the painters be able to see the negative image centuries ago?
God Bless! And, whomever's book that is giving it out for free, that is a person who should be honored as a true Follower of Christ! Thank you all for spreading truth and faith in this time and place of great deception, manipulation, and evil!!! May everyone who has fallen for the lies of Satan, and his spiritual and earthly minions (the government, main stream scholars, atheists, and those too ignorant or brainwashed to understand the truth!)
To add to information: On June 8, 1973, in Globe, Arizona (about 100 miles north of the University of Arizona where the shroud was analyzed) this was spoken by spiritual messengers of God through a man (Ray Elkins) in prophecy. "And now we should answer this question you have had within your minds of the shroud. First, we should answer in this manner, as the body of the one known as Jesus was taken, therefore, from the cross, that those who bare him and the bearers who carried him brought for the body, and there, both of the first wrappings were taken place, but the ointments were first applied to the body. This was done very soon after the death itself, as the oils and the ointments of the chemicals within the same were used to cleanse the body, and then the body was wrapped much, as you would know, in a mummified state. After this was done, cloth that was soaked in the same ointment was used in such a manner as you would cover a body with a blanket.
"Now, as we have said before, as those who would come upon the morn, therefore they found within the tomb both shrouds, as you would know it. The true shroud would be that into which the body was wrapped of cloth. Yet, the second was also true, and this is which you have spoke about.
"The wrappings themselves were never recovered from the tomb.
"They were passed from living disciple to living disciple, yet there to stay with John in exile. But the impression, or the picture form, which should show upon this shroud was a distorted, at best. Yet, if you should mix the same chemicals, secreting that which come from the body as the soul should leave the body and make ready for the resurrection, you shall find that it should give you picture form, much of the manner unto which you have.
"But you must understand, from boyhood to manhood, this one known as Jesus was touched by God, and therefore, as the scars of life should show upon each man and woman, so should the scars of goodliness, that which should become the blessed one, the Lamb of God."
Nowhere in Scripture did any speech of this sort get recorded, as God's words. Why on earth would you believe this is God's words now. The entire style, and lack of directness makes it fraudulent.
I saw a video many yrs ago where a female PhD showed places on the shroud that recorded, in at least three distinct pulses of radiation, the movement of some metal item, worn by Jesus, as the radiation, and I believe, the resurrection, and His first few moments, occurred. (Would you please direct me to that video, if you know of it? TIA.) I wonder how strong the radiation was that emanated from the body, and how long it lasted? Did it have any directionality? Did it emanate equally thru the body in all directions from a central point? Can we produce radiation that strong for that duration?
Question Why do the hands and teeth appear like they are xray images where you can see the bones But Other sections show the flesh for instance Why is there a obvious nose And no lips ? Whip marks but also the bones in the fingers I’m not grasping this..
He should study the Bible more accurately. The fascination for the IMAGE obviousely makes blind. According to the GOSPELS' CONTEXT the Shroud of Turin CANNOT BE the authentic burial cloth of Jesus Christ: The Shroud cult starts with misleading biased Bible translations of the Greek word SINDON as "a linen shroud/sheet/cloth". But there is no indefinite article "a" in the original Greek texts of Matthew 27:59, Mark 15:46 and Luke 23:53, e.g.: Mark 15:46 ESV "And Joseph bought a linen shroud ..." In this case there are 3 Greek words only: "KAI AGORASAS SINDONA ..." This literally translated: "And having bought linen cloth ..." So, the CONTEXT is decisive and the correct unbiased translation/interpretation of SINDON must be "linen cloth" as general material description because Joseph of Arimathea bought ALL the needed burial linen cloth: bandages/strips (OTHONION) and the head cloth (SOUDARION). And the apostle John didn't mention SINDON in his gospel because he also didn't mention the all-inclusive purchase of Joseph of Arimathea. Also the apostle John focused more on the burial and resurrection details and there is nothing described like the Shroud. John 19 39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. 41Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. John 20 5And stooping to look in, he [JOHN] saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, but he did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, 7and the face cloth [SOUDARION], which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths [OTHONION] but folded up in a place by itself. Nicodemus organised about 32 kg burial spices. He was a leading Rabbi who knew WHAT was needed, HOW MUCH and that there was ENOUGH TIME to do the burial spicing that later should suppress the smell of decomposition. Jesus died around 3 pm and Sabbath started around 6 pm. Enough time to take the body from the cross, to wrap/bind the body in linen cloths (OTHONION) W I T H the spices between those bandages/strips according to the burial custom of Jews at that time. Jesus was transported to the nearby rock-tomb and laid in there. Nothing else was done in the tomb. As described by the apostle John, the burial wrapping/spicing was completely done according to burial custom of Jews at that time. This was observed by the women. After Sabbath the women intended to anoint Jesus. ANOINTING is something completely different than the BURIAL SPICING and according to the New Testament it concerned mainly the head/hair, as an act of honour. Mark 16 1When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint [ALEIPSOSIN] him. The head cloth (SOUDARION) fully covered the head and the rest of the body was wrapped/bound in linen cloths (OTHONION]) with the spices between those bandages/strips. The head cloth was part of the burial custom of Jews at that time. Once added, it remained on the head, as we can see in the gospel of John as well: John 11:44 44The man [Lazarus] who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with linen strips, and his face wrapped with a cloth [SOUDARION]. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.” Some commentators are mentioning a Jewish tradition that a master, when leaving a dining table, either left his napkin (SOUDARION) unfolded to say: "I am finished", or he folded it to say: "I will come back!" I couldn't verify this tradition but it's a central pillar of Christian faith that Jesus will come back to establish His kingdom of peace. As shown above, there is linguistically and logically NO EVIDENCE for something like the Shroud in the gospels. It clearly contradicts the burial custom of (rich) Jews at that time and it didn‘t play any role from the beginning of the real church of Christ/God. No Shroud was and is needed to believe in the resurrection and overall in Jesus Christ. There are more details in a video presentation/description and comments when clicking icon W to the left-top of this comment. Be blessed - SHALOM! 1 Corinthians 15 1Now, brothers [siblings], I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, and in which you stand firm. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. 3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that He appeared to Cephasa and then to the Twelve. 6After that, He appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8And last of all He appeared to me also, as to one of untimely birth. All you have to know about Jesus Christ and for faith is in the Scripture. Read and trust the Bible: John 1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life,and the life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. John 3 16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 36Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. John 8 31Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 1Joh 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 2 Timothy 3:16+17 ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN [Old and New Testament] by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. John 14:26 (gospels) But the Helper [comforter, PARACLETOS], the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 15:26+27 (acts) “But when the Helper [comforter, PARACLETOS] comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning. John 16;13 (epistles and revelation) However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. Hebrew 4:12 For the WORD OF GOD is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. There are more details in a video presentation/description and comments when clicking icon W to the left-top of this comment. Be blessed - SHALOM!
@@wipo3654 These days with all we know about the Shroud of Turin, only the morbidly stupid or the incredibly ignorant are those that wish to call it a fake. You have done a fine job and proving this to be true several times.
And a question … the Bible states Jesus told his disciples he’s of flesh not spirit, ate & drank.. how could this be possible if not an NDE .. survived crucifixion miraculously
The face cloth of Jesus was wrapped around his head after he died. After Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus brought Jesus's body into the tomb it was removed and set aside. Jewish law states that anything with the blood of the deceased on it has to be buried with the body. That's all. No one ever put it back on Jesus again.
This is the first explanation for the image of the face being on the Shroud when the facecloth covered his face. It makes sense. It does not affect my faith whether the Shroud is Jesus's burial cloth. My faith is based on eye witnisses accounts. The Gospels. The Shroud may have been used to bury a man crucified in the ist century in Jerusalem. That does not prove that it was Jesus's Shroud. If it was or if it wasn't artifacts are just things. Luther said that in his day there were enough "pieces of the true cross" to build a ship. My faith is not in dead Jesus. My faith is in Resurrected Jesus, my living God. Edit:fixed a misspelled word.
Your faith should be in the dying and dead Jesus because it is the death that saved you, the resurrection comes later , impressing the resurrected Jesus while running away from the suffering and dead Jesus is hypocrisy and cowardly .
@@balukuroben7458 As God said through Paul if Christ has not been resurecterd my faith is in vain. If Jesus was not Ressurected He would be just another dead victim of the failed Roman attempts to end Jewish rebellion. Jesus died one of the most horrible deaths possible to atone for my sins, mine personally, and everyone else's. Only because Jesus sacrificed Himself can I escape the eternal punishment I truly deserve. You too But Jesus is not still on the cross. He is not still in the tomb. The cross, symbol of faith in Him, is empty. Jesus is alive! Not just as the Eternal God who cannot die. He is alive as a man and can never die again. He is risen! Just as, in the appointed time, so will I. Not by my doing but by His.
@MarkHorton-n3t Your mistaken Jesus's death on the cross is beyond time , as the book of revelation reveals : Revelation 5:6 [6]And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. ( John here sees Christ as a crucified one ) ,besides what does Paul teach ,whom you referred to: Galatians 3:1 [1]O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? ( Galatians here we're not at Calvary - but Paul alludes to a crucifixion like image made for them to reveal the truth to them). Paul Adds else where : 1 Corinthians 1:18-20,22-24 [18]For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. [19]For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.” [20]Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? [22]For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; [23]but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, [24]but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. ( We preach Christ Crucified - okay the cross is at the centre of the gospel Paul was preaching ,Christ crucified - the crucifix is a sign of that gospel ), what else do you say Saint Paul: 1 Corinthians 11:23,26 [23]For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; [26]For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes. ( What did you say Paul : in the Eucharist we proclaim the LORD'S death until he returns !! God bless you Paul). What then shall we say : The cross of Jesus Christ is the way and the means of our redemption , his resurrection is the hope we have for our resurrection ,so the Apostolic church finds grace and peace in the death of Jesus Christ on the cross and look forward to His resurrection as the crown at the end . NO CROWN WITHOUT THE CROSS.AMEN)
@@balukuroben7458 Revelation is John relating a vision sent to him by God. Do you really think Jesus is spending eternity in the shape of a sacrificed lamb. Or speaks with a double edged sword sticking out of his mouth. The images in a vision are symbolic not literal. Jesus is fully human as well as fully God. Jesus appears in heaven as he appeared to more than 500 people after His Resurrection and before His assention as an ordinary man able to eat and drink, with the wounds of His crucifixion visible or as He appeared at the transfiguration in His glorified, incorruptible human body. John saw Him as a lamb because Jesus is the Lamb of God. Both the model for the sacrifice of lambs for the atonement of sins and the last, and only effective, blood sacrifice for atonement. Your other references refer to the cross and Jesus's death on it as an event that happened ONCE for all. Jesus atoned for my sin by dying on the cross once for all. He is not still dying. He died and is alive. Yes no one could be saved without the Crucifixion. God's justice requires blood and a price we cannot pay. Jesus paid for us. But the Resurection is the proof. Jesus did not stay dead and either will we. The Apostles and other believers thought the Crucifixion was the end, that all was lost. That Jesus, the Messiah, had failed. Until the Resurection. Remember the disciples Jesus walked with on the road away from Jerusalem. When they recognized Jesus they ran back to Jerusalem with the joyous news. Jesus IS the Messiah. Jesus IS alive. He IS who He said he is. If they were mistaken about the importance of the Resurection, they would not be in the Bible. That is why Good Friday is importance as a memorial of the Crucifixion but Easter is more important as the celebration of the Resurection and the Gospel.
@MarkHorton-n3t Interesting to say that the Apocalypse is symbolic ,I thought you did not know , so if in heaven Jesus's death is still portrayed in visions after 60yrs ,then truly the message of his death is our power we who are saved ,so nothing should stop us from symbolizing and proclaiming his death. Notice that , the only thing we have been instructed by the Master is to remember his passion and death , during the Eucharistic celebration we precisely do so, but why this ? Because ,each time we profess his death ,we activate calvary ,and the power thereof sends Satan into oblivion, SATAN hates the crucifixion ,that is why he desires that people forget about it ,because that is the power that defeated him .
@19:25 sample not from the original shroud? Really? You can look at the shroud and see where they removed the samples. Looks like it was original to me. Which patch is he talking about.
It's amazing to me how man can love and accept love from one another, filthy as we are, and yet not accept true love from our Creator? Yet I understand the plight of the Jew. There are many Pharisees that accept the plan of Salvation. And these are men who obey the Torah down to the letter and perform their convictions better than most of us Christians do. Myself included. God bless.
If you had grown up in India, living with Hindu parents, what would you say about Jesus? I doubt you would say much about the Christian God. Does my assertion make sense? If not, why?
The imprint caused by "an immense amount of light" could have been during the "healing" process for all we know - still plenty of damage evident in the image!
@Standing.W.Israel Yes. I looked at his and related book covers at the time. Didn't see a cover resembling the book he showed. I'll have to look again.
This is what God Says: Isaiah 52:14 14 Just as there were many who were appalled at him - his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being and his form marred beyond human likeness- Does the face on the shroud look like this?
Begin with revelation, not with the science used on a relic in order to confirm the resurrection, not any material thing. The SoT could be an elaborate, science-vetted but revelation-unfounded "sign or wonder" out to blindside many. Remember that an angel of light works tirelessly to delude even the chosen of Yah. Beware!
GLORY TO THE LORD, thank you dear Dr.. John 6:27-29 English Standard Version 27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.” 28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
I don’t believe for a moment he thinks it’s legit 80 percent on a bad day and 90 percent on a good day, he’s convinced 100 percent that it’s the Shroud of Christ.
Why send out your only Son and let him be murdered so cruelly to bring The Message to the world only to have the Resurrection be so ambiguous ? Why let him only appear to so few followers that it places doubt about this Resurrection ? Why not appear at mass gatherings so there would be no doubt about said Resurrection ? It shouldn’t be hard to realize that all this is obfuscation, if any Almighty Being would want to bring a clear Message to the world would not Clarity and Straightforward be the only way to do it. ? To not leave any doubt, to convince each and everyone in a simple and easy-to-understand Way ? How come none of the most important faiths have had any clear proof of their respective Godheads since their inception ? Absolute silence on Their part….
I wonder if God wants something from us that is far more than our rational ascent to facts…. Maybe stop and think about what you are worshipping… The religion of scientism and rationality is so thin… There is so much transcendental reality that you are experiencing everyday that mere rational thinking cannot grasp… don’t ask your spouse to prove their love for you… just love her back.
John 20:29 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
@@Timothythebrave So I can claim to have seen a unicorn ? You’d have to take my word for it ? When you, dear sir or madam, buy a fish do you buy it unseen ? When looking to buy a new house do you choose it unseen ? I do hope you use your senses in daily life and don’t believe in fairy tales so why believe in a tale that never has had any proof ?
@@markharrington5515 I could ask you to believe in gnomes or elves and claim transcendence too ? Just because we “feel” things does not make them real. You know when Titus looked behind the veil where Jehovah was supposed to be in the Temple there was absolutely nothing there ? The whole Jewish nation was absolutely sure their God dwelt behind that veil. ( I both mean the literal veil and the metaphorical veil )
@ you could claim whatever you like but unlike Jesus of Nazareth, there is no proof of the existence of a unicorn. There are eyewitness accounts substantiating the claims that Jesus Christ was indeed crucified and put to death by the Roman authorities and then rose from the dead a few days later. Scripture has been verified so many ways and many prophetic writings have come to pass. There is evidence for the claims of the Bible. If you want to understand God and how He operates, you must first have faith (which means trust) in His word and seek Him diligently. What God offers the world is salvation and that is an excellent gift beyond measure. I pray for you on your journey. 🙏❤️💪
@@beverlyhurd8556 what do the majority of "Good Shepard Roman Catacombs" images show you? What does the BLK Madonna image show you? Also "Catacombs of Priscilla Christ" The Da Vinci ... Cesar Borgia(Christ) images don't match All I can do is lead you to water...
i recently have been drawn to my Jewish roots as a believer of Yeshua. it is very upsetting when i hear the word christianity in the same sentence with Judaism. so anyone listening to this who is of Jewish heritage please don’t be offended. and yes i Love your Messiah!!!!
Oh, c'mon Gary! Constantine didn't declare the empire "a Christian nation"! He just made Christianity legal, and its practice protected from persecution. It was Theodosius, several decades after Constantine's death, who made it the official religion of the empire.
See? Jesus wasn’t afro/colored. This was a common burial practice of people there of that era. All shrouds would look similar, Jesus or not. Non-afro/colored images.
I can't even take skeptic videos on the shroud. If you know the evidence on the shroud, it's about a sure a thing to be legit as the resurrection of Christ. End of story. Anybody have any arguments for it being a fake? If you do you have no idea what you're talking about and you make me cringe. 😂
It sure is. One of the greatest Shroud experts on Earth and one of the very few surviving STURP team members. I will miss watching new videos with him in them. 😞
Nobody has answered my question yet. If God is all knowing and all powerful, and he put the tree of knowledge in the garden of Eden, he knew Adam and Eve were going to eat the fruit. Then when they did, he curses humanity with death. Then he sends his son to be murdered as an atonement for Adam and Eve's disobedience so humanity can get back into his good graces. My question is, are you people INSANE to believe this is a deity of LOVE? Reading the Bible, this deity doesn't sound like a deity of love AT ALL. Either I'm insane or you are. We both cannot be sane and think this is somehow okay. Now, the official position is God's son is God himself. So, you're telling me the Jesus is Yahweh? Well, how come he didn't simply tell Moses his name is Jesus? The only answer you can give is speculative, because you don't know, and you can't know, because there's no reason why given in the Bible, so any answer you give is purely your own speculation - because NOBODY knows. The Trinity is a speculation and doctrine of Man, it is not found in the Bible. It was derived many, many years after the life and death of Jesus. The 4 gospels begin with Mark being the first written (which wasn't even written by Mark). Mark's premise is that Jesus was a preacher who preached a return to the law and that the kingdom of Heaven is at hand and to repent. John is the last book, written around 100 AD. It's premise is that Jesus is God. So, Christianity's narrative went from a man preaching the return to the law in Mark, to that same man is now God himself in John (which like Mark, wasn't even written by John), around 100 years later. All of the gospels start embellishing Jesus. But to go from a humble preacher in Galilee preaching a return to the law to said preacher being God himself in the span of around 100 years is quite a stretch. Imagine somebody today started writing that Billy Graham was a humble preacher who preached repentance. Then subsequent a couple of books are written about him that embellishes him. Then around the year 2100, somebody wrote a book that claimed he was God. The actual deity. The creator of everything. This is the most confusing Pantheon in the world. Where's Ashera? Why were women demoted? "Thou Shalt Not Kill" How many times did God kill people in the Bible? How many times did God command people to kill other people in the Bible? How many times did God command his angels to kill people in the Bible? I suppose in the minds of the INSANE that its somehow justified as long as God did it or command it be done. And this is your idea of a God of love? Are you out of your minds? It's a serious question. Look at the weapons you're providing for the MASS MURDER going on. I suppose in a few years somebody is going to write a book called "Deus Vult" that's going to put lipstick on that pig. And it'll be justified as an act of that God.
@@earthisasphere Really? Actually, I was a student at a small Bible school located on an old Air Force base in the Judith mountains smack in the middle of Montana 50 years ago. During my time there Dr. Habermas came on board for his first teaching gig fresh of his Ph.D. He was an instant hit with the students, and everyone called him Doc. I took several of his classes and he became my Advisor for my thesis project required for graduation. His wife Debbie offered her services to type it up for me. Haven't spoken to him since this time but I think he might be surprised and pleased to hear from me. In addition, I think it might be a good idea for you to find a quiet place and rethink your thoughts and attitudes about things you know nothing about.
The biggest question is : why not test the dna and see his genes? Perhaps he was not Judean but Israelite. H Judah being one tribe (not including benjamin) and Israel being 10
Actually, an Italian team spent five years using the world’s most powerful eximer laser, and could not reproduce the image. They estimate it would take a pulse lasting one *forty billionth* of a second of uv radiation on the order of several billion watts of power. Clearly, obviously supernatural. Cannot be done by modern man. Probably the single most amazing part of the shroud. It broke the carbon bonds of the top layer of the fibrals, turning them into double-bonds. Journal Article: “Coloring linens with excimer lasers to simulate the body image of the Turin Shroud” Giuseppe Baldacchini, Paolo Di Lazzaro, Daniele Murra, and Giulio Fanti
The Middles Age race for relics certainly produced some unique items. Dozens of shrouds, countless true cross wood fragments, and pieces human remains galore. Just know that the Vatican considers the Turin Shroud a fake from the very late 1300’s, but allows reverence for what it represents. The truth of Carbon-14 dating has not been kind to these claimed holy relics.
"Just know that the Vatican considers the Turin Shroud a fake from the very late 1300’s, but allows reverence for what it represents." Source? Here in 2024, there is virtually _no one_ that is both intelligent and has plenty of common sense that will call the Holy Shroud a fake. That is simply impossible.
YOU CAMT CARBON DATE A GARMENT THAT HAS HEAVY SMOKE DAMAGE. Smoke contains carbon deposits and those deposits will be absorbed into the material. Think about it.
You seem to be an expert. Are you a physicist? From which scientifically recognised and accessable source you have got this info? So, smoke contains C14 atoms that are inseparably incoroperated into the grown molecular fibre structure of linen - right!? And could you describe shortly and with simple words the main relevant analysis steps of C14 dating? Thanks!
@ The steps for carbon dating, also known as C14 dating, involve: collecting a sample from the organic material, cleaning it to remove contaminants, converting it to a measurable form (like carbon dioxide), measuring the ratio of Carbon-14 to Carbon-12 using a specialized instrument like an Accelerator Mass Spectrometer (AMS), and then calculating the age based on the known half-life of Carbon-14 (5,730 years).
@@joliver81 And those fire contaminants couldn't be cleaned in case of the Shroud? Or those 3 university labs respectively the executing people must have been laymen.
@@wipo3654 have you ever seen smoke damage? On a thin garment? I’m sure there is some process that could remove some, but not all, that why performed wide angle X-ray scattering tests, (waxs testing). Which showed the material matched the age of other factually known garments from that region and period, 30 ad, Israel region.
@beverlyhurd8556 I know the time. I also believe in the written word. A personal document of Leonardo himself. He worked for the church and the church used him to help bring faith back to the church as they have done many times over. The cloth could be old, doesn't mean the image is. Imagine you go outside and grab a rock, that rock itself may be very old. Now you carve it,..does that mean the carving is as old as the rock? Let me state one thing, I do very much believe in the man called Jesus. I know that is in no way his name for it is impossible. Yet, I do believe he existed and do believe he did spread knowledge. Ancient knowledge. Closer to agnostic teaching.
@@extremepsych Oh my goodness. Do you really and truly believe, for real now, that someone held onto a 3/1 herringbone weave 14' long linen cloth for _1400_ years just so someone could make a fake image of Jesus Christ on it??? Tell me where is this 'written word' that says that Leonardo da Vinci put the image on the Shroud. And (how funny!) if he did, then how did he do it? Are you not aware that the Shroud has been examined by several dozens of scientists for thousands of hours and they _know_ that it was not made by the hand of man? I really hope that you are just making a joke and that your brain really and truly does not work like this.
@@dw8134Red ochre (iron oxide) and vermilion (mercury sulfide) pigments were found on the fibers. Watch the video 'The mystery of the Shroud of Turin with Walter C.McCrone'. He was a highly respected and influential microscopist, often referred to as the 'father of modern microscopy' due to his extensive work. McCrone analyzed fibers from both the edges and the image itself. Watching the suggested video will reveal his analysis papers, showing results and values from the image areas. He believed that iron oxide was used for the body image and a mixture of iron oxide and vermilion was used for the "blood" marks. The assertion by some proponents of the Shroud's authenticity that he did not examine the image is false, as they wish to maintain its genuineness. McCrone explained that the only colored materials he found on the Shroud, including in the image areas, were inorganic pigments (not blood) and the yellowing of the medium. This evidence clearly shows that the Shroud of Turin is a medieval artwork used as a forgery. If you want to dig deeper into this; see the research paper 'The reddish color of bloodstains on the Shroud of Turin: investigation of two hypotheses.' Found at MedCrave under journals. Name: Journal of Historical Archaeology & Anthropological Sciences.
Here is something to throw at the naturalist. What are UAPs? They are intelligent and do things that are beyond our abilities and are proven to exist. So what is the naturalists explanation of those?
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) are intriguing but do not prove anything supernatural or the existence of a deity. Although difficult to explain, theories include visits from extraterrestrial civilizations for exploration or observation on Earth, secret advanced human technology, autonomous drones by sophisticated AI systems from our own world, or psychological and cultural influences. Media portrayals and historical contexts, like Cold War tensions or shows like "X-Files," can lead to misinterpretations of ordinary objects as UAPs. While pilots report UAPs, adding credibility, many are later identified as mundane objects like drones or balloons. The psychological impact of sightings can also transform witnesses' perceptions and beliefs.
@JohnSmith-pl5te Is it supernatural? Could UAPs be our god in the mind of the naturalist? We knwi they are real right? We have proof of them right? Supernatural proof. Now we also have proof of the real God from the Shroud of Turin, Sudarium of Oviedo, WAXS dating method. Is this faith or science?
@@tobias4411That's not how belief works. But given that consciousness is defined differently in materialism and theism, ultimately there will be disparities in belief, faith, and practically everything else.
No one on earth knows whose image is on that cloth. No one. You can believe that its Jesus image all you want. And it still doesn't make it the image of Jesus. And it never will. Salvation is all about what Jesus did for our sins. His sacrifice has nothing to do with what he looked like. And anyone who claims something is God and it isn't well that's called Blasphemy. Be very careful of what or who you make your God out to be.
New data on blood etc.. you arnt adressing that. Think you should explain plus the different effects that cause same image, the ones from rat pups... you haven't explained any of that new information
Today, no intelligent person with even a smattering of common sense is going to call the Holy Shroud a medieval fake. That's just impossible. A new study overseen by Dr. Liberato de Caro of Italy’s Institute of Crystallography of the National Research Council, in Bari has concluded that the Shroud of Turin dates to the first century. In a report published on the website of Italy’s Department of Chemical Sciences and Materials Technologies, de Caro outlined the “Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering” or WAXS method they used, which measures the structural degradation due to natural aging of the cellulose that makes up the fibers of the linen threads. This process, which is non-destructive, was used on a variety of historical textiles which have well-documented ages, and then compared to the Shroud of Turin; the best match was with a piece of fabric from ca. AD 55-74 known to have come from the siege of Masada in Israel. The new dating contradicts the 1988 carbon-14 test of fabric threads from the shroud, which dated the relic to the Middle Ages. Critics have long pointed out that that test was flawed, as it came from an area of the fabric that was repaired in the Middle Ages. The new study also notes that ancient textiles can become contaminated with substances over time that could distort carbon-14 results. The new findings show that the fabric of the Shroud of Turin originated at the time of Christ.
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Thank you, dr. Habermas for all of your work and your inexhaustible evangelism.
God bless you. 🙏
Please get Gary on the JRE/Rogan podcast.
Yes!
I was just about to comment this exact thing
I don't think I've ever had such a vivid picture of the suffering Jesus endured until I heard you mention why Jesus would have had lacerations on his chest and stomach. That was just the beginning.
Thank you, Jesus.
He went through GREAT suffering to save us from sin. Unfortunately, there is still far too much hatred and wars. We are ALL equal. Let's make PEACE instead of war.
Brother and sisters this is the cloth of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour God left it so we can all look at it. Praise God only amen.
This is God's gift to HUMANITY
NO ONE csn reproduce it, because we can't reproduce the process.
@@peterraymond1853 “I don’t know, therefore GOD!”
Brilliant logic Einstein!
Wow! I’m looking at the blood that saved me! Thank you Jesus my King!
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No you don't
So a picture of a dead man is evidence of resurrection?
The man could literally be any man from whatever time period this is from. No scientific method ever would be able to verify the identity of this man, since there are no known descendants from whoever the man is.
Another thing that’s really funny to me about this whole thing, is the way these people cling to the scientific evidence they think speaks in favor of their religion. However when it comes to fact of evolution they dismiss scientific evidence.
So science is wrong about evolution but right about the shroud of Turin?
You people baffle me….
I thank Christ for His sacrifice and the incredible gift of the Shroud 🙏
Thanks also, Dr. Habermas for your continued research ✝️
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You Sir have my utmost respect. Read your books and have seen some of your presentations. I believe you are the Son Christ wants us all to be. Be blessed and thank you so much for all your fine works.
Barry Swartz...😢 Love That Guy. Prayed For His Salvation For Years. We Love You Gary.
It was a linen burial cloth. It was not photoreactive in any way. The 'radiation' noted happened in an EXTREMELY intense but very brief burst of energy DURING the moment of RESURRECTION. That's what makes this artifact so special, it is a 'photographic' record of the RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ.
No, it’s been admitted by the church to be fake lol. It’s not a photograph of the resurrection just a clever fake.
@@bigmike7385 🤣🤣🤣
@@bigmike7385 That's a lie. No church ever said that the Shroud of Turin is a fake. No one likes a liar. Especially an atheist liar.
Its never been reported by the Church to be fake. Why are you lying 😢@bigmike7385
Your just trying like the devil to mix truth with lies
So many have eyes yet do not see.
Thank you and may God Bless.
Absolutely no doubt this is the Lord's cloth! My goodness, how much more do people need?
Is it not just incredible in this day and age that there are still people out there, poor souls, that are clueless enough to actually call the Holy Shroud a fake? Amazing. I hope that they get the help that they need very soon!
@captainobvious2435 I don't know of anyone that needs the burial shroud of Jesus to believe in him. But a little bit more proof just brings us even closer to him. And that's not a bad thing.
@captainobvious2435 Hmmm.....not exactly sure I know what you mean by "we and he don't know you". Care to clarify?
@captainobvious2435 Jesus said we will know his disciples by their love for one another. Don't be so quick to condemn. There might be someone out there on the fence and having physical evidence might be what brings them to faith in this modern world that is obsessed with science. God is revealing things all over for the greatest harvest. Show the fruits of the Spirit.
@captainobvious2435 what is a lie?
Dr. Habermas, I read your book "Verdict on the Shroud" in 1980 and I came to believe the Shroud was the burial cloth of Christ. I never let the C-14 results dissuade me, even when the news came out. Thank you after all these years.
Never let facts get in the way of your beliefs.
@@vladtheemailer3223 It depends on whose facts they are.
@@vladtheemailer3223 More like, don’t be too quick to completely abandon a position based on trivial or incomplete data. Today the evidence is staggering that the shroud is authentic. He was right to be patient.
@vladtheemailer3223 pithy, misrepresentive, and contemptuous rhetoric really does expose those who seem to just be out to have a dishonest fight. Shame.
@vladtheemailer3223 considering that a new dating test has placed the shroud at about 50 AD, and the scientists who worked on the shroud in the 80s didn’t believe the carbon dating test was reliable, I would hesitate to call that a “fact”
Dr. Habermas brings arguments for authenticity of the Shroud I’ve never heard before. I am a believer in its authenticity already. There are manifold reasons to believe in Christ as Redeemer and Savior and Lord, as the same God who raised Jesus from the dead, still answers prayers in Jesus’ name!
Gary is an important scholar. Get his new volumes on the resurrection . A must have for any believers library.
That is all he cares about. Watch the video and buy the book. $$$ in his pocket.
Scholar? He's far from that.
The most amazing archaeological artifact in the world. Gloria in excelsis Deo and Ave Maria.
Yes, but it's still a medieval artwork used as a forgery.
But Mary is dead and in the grave awaiting the resurrection...
@@tobias4411hahahah no its not.
@@tobias4411There is no evidence of forgery. There is a claim by a medieval Bishop to have known the forger but no one can make a plausible guess how.
Everything else points to the Shroud being a lot older than medieval.
@@tobias4411 ok make a similar fake then. Should be easy for you as the forgery is hundreds of years old right? Should have better technology to do it.
God is Truth.There is nothing false in Him
R.I.P. Barrie and God bless you for all that you have done for Jesus.
I hope that you have come to Jesus Christ, as your Saviour, before you've passed away.
I didn't know he died till now... 😢
Who is Barrie?
@@eldin14 Yes, he died end of June. I was really sad.
@@Herp234 He was the official photographer of the original STURP team. An Orthodox Jew who has given us the incites in the burial customs of the 1st century Jews. About why the face cloth was separated from the Shroud and put apart from it (John 20: 6-7) ... He confirmed that, from what he saw in the data and writings in the Gospels, Jesus was buried according to the Jewish customs. Check out any of his videos and interviews - Barrie was an excellent guy.
@@Herp234 He was a specialist in a rare type of photography.
I don’t need anymore evidence, Jesus Christ is the Son of God and it’s a fact. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ 🙌
Num 6:24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
Num 6:25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
Num 6:26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.
Far from a fact
@ If not, then why are you watching this,, AND taking the time to comment? You might want to sit down and REFLECT , but then again, you’re probably just a BOT 🤖
@Ciskokid1970 show it's a fact that there even is a god.
Being scourged from behind can easily leave wounds on the front. It wraps around the victim.
Very cool that God would leave forensic evidence of the resurrection for us.♥✝♥
Shroud of Turin is a medieval artwork used as a forgery.
@@tobias4411 Your bias and ignorance is astonishing. Unless you'd like to tell us how it was made.
You would think that god would be able to provide indisputable evidence for the resurrection. Not very impressive.
@@rationald6799 It would seem that this particular piece of evidence is disputed based on false premises. Besides, the hiddenness of God is necessary for us to be able to freely choose between accepting Him or rejecting Him. Because God wants genuine love - not worship robots - we need to be able to freely choose. Genuine love requires free will.
Atheists are like a man standing at the beach claiming there are no seashells because his metal detector cannot find any! "There are no evidence!" Yeah, because you reject it all a priori, without being able to rationally justify your beliefs.
@@rationald6799 I hope you can eventually get over your anger issues.
I don't think they were "silly enough" to carbon-date the patch.
I think they were devious enough to carbon-date the patch.
The Cardinal at the time said that it was a Masonic plot.
Exactly.
God Bless
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Cope harder!
My thought exactly.
@@mirandahotspring4019 uhm you do realize that OP is correct and independent experts and labs continue to confirm that statement. The original test took ONE strand of the shroud and cut it into three pieces and sent that off to three separate labs. This is *NOT* how you carbon date, not only do you not use the same strain for three seperate test (you would use 3 seperate strains), you also wouldn't use an area that you know is not the original. There's a reason that those who collected the original data for this "carbon dating" spent 20 years fighting against releasing the data and had to be forced to by the courts. But Im sure that's just perfectly normal or perhaps it's you that just needs to cope harder.
Brother Gary, I enjoy all your work on the resurrection.
Your presentation is fantastic i was rivited to your seminar
"Whoever is ashamed of me before man, before him will I be ashamed on the day of judgement."
Closet believers are not something to look up to. God bless him still.
Praise Jesus ❤❤❤❤
One piece of possible evidence to disprove it as Jesus burial cloth showing his resurrection would be if it can be duplicated. I haven't seen someone duplicate it yet.
Didn't know Barry died, I'm very thankful for his work, RIP
RIP Barrie Schwortz. I had no idea he passed until it was mentioned here.
His death was announced on the Shroud website. I spoke to him in May and he told me then that his kidneys were shutting down due to his leukemia and that he did not have long to live and asked me to keep him in my prayers. And of course, I told him that I would and I did. After that, I could never get him on his home phone or cell phone again. I sent some emails but got no response. Then a few weeks later he was gone. I was so sad and still am. We really lost a great one with Barrie. 😞
You should contact Father Robert Spitzer about this topic. He is a Brilliant man and can be of great assistance communicating the truth about the Shroud of Jesus.
Fr. Spitzer is both a Genius and a Saint. Knows a lot about the shroud and the physics it took to create it!
Father Spitzer is great and so is Fr Andrew Dalton‘s presentations. They go into detail about the radiation, the 3-D encoding, the pollen grains ,the weave of the linen ,the probable blood type and more. Gary’s talk here is a good introduction.
Catholicism has been a lie from the very beginning. Jesus never founded a state run religion. Jesus also wasn't catholic and Mary never prayed the rosery. Peter is not the Rock, Jesus is. The Shroud is real. But the Shroud is Jewish not catholic.
The fingers look long because the shroud is an image created over tenths of a second during the resurrection/ The fingers moved slightly during the resurrection thats why they appear longer. Same reason why the arm is longer, it was dislocated and the shadow created is the shoulder being put back into place during the resurrection.
I think the shroud was one of the major things that made me go from "I think christianity is conceptually true and it's values are good for society" to "no, actually Christianity is just flat out true and Christ is Lord and if Christianity's true, catholicism is true and if that's the case a while lotta crazy things you see in the world snap into place and make sense."
Jesus Christ is true. However, Catholicism is not Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ hasn't changed whereas Catholicism has changed several times over. Don't claim conclusions beyond the evidence.
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More and more I am of the opinion is that the Shroud was intended for us, for our time, and for the future. In the past people possessed easy belief in God and Jesus; nowadays, people are more cynical, less inclined to believe in God and the existence of Jesus. The figure contained within the Shroud was not that obvious to people in the past; however, with modern Science, the image is properly revealed and the mystery of Jesus' resurrection made clear.
Have you ever seen how the KJV Bible is mathematically encoded by God
So you're saying that there is an another cloth applied around the jaw after the Suderium of Oviedo is removed. Every time l watch something on the Shroud there is something new to be learned! ❤
To think, all of those who protected this shroud all of these centuries never saw what we see
Brilliant video
Brethren please pray for me. I am trapped in some weaknesses that causes me to me to win against our Lord.
I want to become his instrument for evangelism.
Thank you ❤🙏🏼✝👑📖🇮🇱
Split Beard..
Could that be because the scripture says "they tore out his beard"
That was Barrie Schwortz assessment.
Question: How could people see the image in the days before photographic technology?
Good speech. too bad it had a lot of background noise
I think the conclusion can only be 100% certain: it is indeed Jesus. You made a great presentation and provide no way to conclude otherwise, which baffles me a little as to why you only assign an 80-90% on the probability that it is Jesus. By your own testimony, it can ONLY be Jesus. Either way, I enjoyed this.
Great talk, I deeply value Dr Habermas' research and presentation of conclusions.
Could opponents argue, though, that the shroud was also copied from the same image as those early depictions? Would the painters be able to see the negative image centuries ago?
God Bless! And, whomever's book that is giving it out for free, that is a person who should be honored as a true Follower of Christ! Thank you all for spreading truth and faith in this time and place of great deception, manipulation, and evil!!! May everyone who has fallen for the lies of Satan, and his spiritual and earthly minions (the government, main stream scholars, atheists, and those too ignorant or brainwashed to understand the truth!)
To add to information: On June 8, 1973, in Globe, Arizona (about 100 miles north of the University of Arizona where the shroud was analyzed) this was spoken by spiritual messengers of God through a man (Ray Elkins) in prophecy.
"And now we should answer this question you have had within your minds of the shroud. First, we should answer in this manner, as the body of the one known as Jesus was taken, therefore, from the cross, that those who bare him and the bearers who carried him brought for the body, and there, both of the first wrappings were taken place, but the ointments were first applied to the body. This was done very soon after the death itself, as the oils and the ointments of the chemicals within the same were used to cleanse the body, and then the body was wrapped much, as you would know, in a mummified state. After this was done, cloth that was soaked in the same ointment was used in such a manner as you would cover a body with a blanket.
"Now, as we have said before, as those who would come upon the morn, therefore they found within the tomb both shrouds, as you would know it. The true shroud would be that into which the body was wrapped of cloth. Yet, the second was also true, and this is which you have spoke about.
"The wrappings themselves were never recovered from the tomb.
"They were passed from living disciple to living disciple, yet there to stay with John in exile.
But the impression, or the picture form, which should show upon this shroud was a distorted, at best. Yet, if you should mix the same chemicals, secreting that which come from the body as the soul should leave the body and make ready for the resurrection, you shall find that it should give you picture form, much of the manner unto which you have.
"But you must understand, from boyhood to manhood, this one known as Jesus was touched by God, and therefore, as the scars of life should show upon each man and woman, so should the scars of goodliness, that which should become the blessed one, the Lamb of God."
Nowhere in Scripture did any speech of this sort get recorded, as God's words.
Why on earth would you believe this is God's words now.
The entire style, and lack of directness makes it fraudulent.
I saw a video many yrs ago where a female PhD showed places on the shroud that recorded, in at least three distinct pulses of radiation, the movement of some metal item, worn by Jesus, as the radiation, and I believe, the resurrection, and His first few moments, occurred. (Would you please direct me to that video, if you know of it? TIA.)
I wonder how strong the radiation was that emanated from the body, and how long it lasted? Did it have any directionality? Did it emanate equally thru the body in all directions from a central point? Can we produce radiation that strong for that duration?
Question
Why do the hands and teeth appear like they are xray images where you can see the bones But
Other sections show the flesh
for instance Why is there a obvious nose And no lips ?
Whip marks but also the bones in the fingers I’m not grasping this..
Dr. Habermas. Would you like to do some Fall fly fishing in the BC Interior after visiting our church?
When is he coming to BC and where? Thanks
Professor
You need to bring a Shroud Course to Liberty University
He should study the Bible more accurately. The fascination for the IMAGE obviousely makes blind.
According to the GOSPELS' CONTEXT the Shroud of Turin CANNOT BE the authentic burial cloth of Jesus Christ:
The Shroud cult starts with misleading biased Bible translations of the Greek word SINDON as "a linen shroud/sheet/cloth". But there is no indefinite article "a" in the original Greek texts of Matthew 27:59, Mark 15:46 and Luke 23:53, e.g.:
Mark 15:46 ESV
"And Joseph bought a linen shroud ..."
In this case there are 3 Greek words only:
"KAI AGORASAS SINDONA ..."
This literally translated:
"And having bought linen cloth ..."
So, the CONTEXT is decisive and the correct unbiased translation/interpretation of SINDON must be "linen cloth" as general material description because Joseph of Arimathea bought ALL the needed burial linen cloth: bandages/strips (OTHONION) and the head cloth (SOUDARION).
And the apostle John didn't mention SINDON in his gospel because he also didn't mention the all-inclusive purchase of Joseph of Arimathea. Also the apostle John focused more on the burial and resurrection details and there is nothing described like the Shroud.
John 19
39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. 41Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there.
John 20
5And stooping to look in, he [JOHN] saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, but he did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, 7and the face cloth [SOUDARION], which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths [OTHONION] but folded up in a place by itself.
Nicodemus organised about 32 kg burial spices. He was a leading Rabbi who knew WHAT was needed, HOW MUCH and that there was ENOUGH TIME to do the burial spicing that later should suppress the smell of decomposition. Jesus died around 3 pm and Sabbath started around 6 pm. Enough time to take the body from the cross, to wrap/bind the body in linen cloths (OTHONION) W I T H the spices between those bandages/strips according to the burial custom of Jews at that time. Jesus was transported to the nearby rock-tomb and laid in there. Nothing else was done in the tomb.
As described by the apostle John, the burial wrapping/spicing was completely done according to burial custom of Jews at that time. This was observed by the women. After Sabbath the women intended to anoint Jesus. ANOINTING is something completely different than the BURIAL SPICING and according to the New Testament it concerned mainly the head/hair, as an act of honour.
Mark 16
1When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint [ALEIPSOSIN] him.
The head cloth (SOUDARION) fully covered the head and the rest of the body was wrapped/bound in linen cloths (OTHONION]) with the spices between those bandages/strips. The head cloth was part of the burial custom of Jews at that time. Once added, it remained on the head, as we can see in the gospel of John as well:
John 11:44
44The man [Lazarus] who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with linen strips, and his face wrapped with a cloth [SOUDARION]. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.”
Some commentators are mentioning a Jewish tradition that a master, when leaving a dining table, either left his napkin (SOUDARION) unfolded to say: "I am finished", or he folded it to say: "I will come back!"
I couldn't verify this tradition but it's a central pillar of Christian faith that Jesus will come back to establish His kingdom of peace.
As shown above, there is linguistically and logically NO EVIDENCE for something like the Shroud in the gospels. It clearly contradicts the burial custom of (rich) Jews at that time and it didn‘t play any role from the beginning of the real church of Christ/God. No Shroud was and is needed to believe in the resurrection and overall in Jesus Christ.
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1 Corinthians 15
1Now, brothers [siblings], I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, and in which you stand firm. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. 3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that He appeared to Cephasa and then to the Twelve. 6After that, He appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8And last of all He appeared to me also, as to one of untimely birth.
All you have to know about Jesus Christ and for faith is in the Scripture. Read and trust the Bible:
John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life,and the life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
John 3
16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
36Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 8
31Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
1Joh 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
John 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
2 Timothy 3:16+17
ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN [Old and New Testament] by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
John 14:26 (gospels)
But the Helper [comforter, PARACLETOS], the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 15:26+27 (acts)
“But when the Helper [comforter, PARACLETOS] comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
John 16;13 (epistles and revelation)
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
Hebrew 4:12
For the WORD OF GOD is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
Test all things; hold fast what is good.
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@wipo3654 Amen....The Fact of the Shrouds Truth
As the Burial Cloth of Christ Jesus
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It's no fact - it's wishful thinking!
@@wipo3654 These days with all we know about the Shroud of Turin, only the morbidly stupid or the incredibly ignorant are those that wish to call it a fake. You have done a fine job and proving this to be true several times.
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And a question … the Bible states Jesus told his disciples he’s of flesh not spirit, ate & drank.. how could this be possible if not an NDE .. survived crucifixion miraculously
What difference is it if this is the shroud or not
I believe Jesus died, was buried and rose again. What would the shroud prove or disprove?
It proves YEC's are liars....
It can prove this: ruclips.net/video/GHYoXHYZZ9A/видео.htmlsi=MX3mbhhWAxkOzlqy
As you ponder this shroud,, consider John 20: 6-7 the head was bound sperately.
The face cloth of Jesus was wrapped around his head after he died. After Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus brought Jesus's body into the tomb it was removed and set aside. Jewish law states that anything with the blood of the deceased on it has to be buried with the body. That's all. No one ever put it back on Jesus again.
At 36:33, on the right side (body left) under the ribs, is that a hole in the cloth, or in the body?
This is the first explanation for the image of the face being on the Shroud when the facecloth covered his face. It makes sense.
It does not affect my faith whether the Shroud is Jesus's burial cloth. My faith is based on eye witnisses accounts. The Gospels.
The Shroud may have been used to bury a man crucified in the ist century in Jerusalem. That does not prove that it was Jesus's Shroud.
If it was or if it wasn't artifacts are just things. Luther said that in his day there were enough "pieces of the true cross" to build a ship.
My faith is not in dead Jesus.
My faith is in Resurrected Jesus, my living God.
Edit:fixed a misspelled word.
Your faith should be in the dying and dead Jesus because it is the death that saved you, the resurrection comes later , impressing the resurrected Jesus while running away from the suffering and dead Jesus is hypocrisy and cowardly .
@@balukuroben7458 As God said through Paul if Christ has not been resurecterd my faith is in vain.
If Jesus was not Ressurected He would be just another dead victim of the failed Roman attempts to end Jewish rebellion.
Jesus died one of the most horrible deaths possible to atone for my sins, mine personally, and everyone else's.
Only because Jesus sacrificed Himself can I escape the eternal punishment I truly deserve. You too
But Jesus is not still on the cross. He is not still in the tomb. The cross, symbol of faith in Him, is empty.
Jesus is alive! Not just as the Eternal God who cannot die. He is alive as a man and can never die again. He is risen! Just as, in the appointed time, so will I. Not by my doing but by His.
@MarkHorton-n3t Your mistaken Jesus's death on the cross is beyond time , as the book of revelation reveals :
Revelation 5:6
[6]And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. ( John here sees Christ as a crucified one ) ,besides what does Paul teach ,whom you referred to:
Galatians 3:1
[1]O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? ( Galatians here we're not at Calvary - but Paul alludes to a crucifixion like image made for them to reveal the truth to them).
Paul Adds else where :
1 Corinthians 1:18-20,22-24
[18]For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
[19]For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
[20]Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
[22]For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom;
[23]but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness,
[24]but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
( We preach Christ Crucified - okay the cross is at the centre of the gospel Paul was preaching ,Christ crucified - the crucifix is a sign of that gospel ), what else do you say Saint Paul:
1 Corinthians 11:23,26
[23]For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread;
[26]For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes. ( What did you say Paul : in the Eucharist we proclaim the LORD'S death until he returns !! God bless you Paul).
What then shall we say : The cross of Jesus Christ is the way and the means of our redemption , his resurrection is the hope we have for our resurrection ,so the Apostolic church finds grace and peace in the death of Jesus Christ on the cross and look forward to His resurrection as the crown at the end . NO CROWN WITHOUT THE CROSS.AMEN)
@@balukuroben7458 Revelation is John relating a vision sent to him by God. Do you really think Jesus is spending eternity in the shape of a sacrificed lamb. Or speaks with a double edged sword sticking out of his mouth. The images in a vision are symbolic not literal. Jesus is fully human as well as fully God. Jesus appears in heaven as he appeared to more than 500 people after His Resurrection and before His assention as an ordinary man able to eat and drink, with the wounds of His crucifixion visible or as He appeared at the transfiguration in His glorified, incorruptible human body.
John saw Him as a lamb because Jesus is the Lamb of God. Both the model for the sacrifice of lambs for the atonement of sins and the last, and only effective, blood sacrifice for atonement.
Your other references refer to the cross and Jesus's death on it as an event that happened ONCE for all. Jesus atoned for my sin by dying on the cross once for all. He is not still dying. He died and is alive.
Yes no one could be saved without the Crucifixion. God's justice requires blood and a price we cannot pay. Jesus paid for us. But the Resurection is the proof.
Jesus did not stay dead and either will we. The Apostles and other believers thought the Crucifixion was the end, that all was lost. That Jesus, the Messiah, had failed. Until the Resurection. Remember the disciples Jesus walked with on the road away from Jerusalem. When they recognized Jesus they ran back to Jerusalem with the joyous news. Jesus IS the Messiah. Jesus IS alive. He IS who He said he is. If they were mistaken about the importance of the Resurection, they would not be in the Bible.
That is why Good Friday is importance as a memorial of the Crucifixion but Easter is more important as the celebration of the Resurection and the Gospel.
@MarkHorton-n3t Interesting to say that the Apocalypse is symbolic ,I thought you did not know , so if in heaven Jesus's death is still portrayed in visions after 60yrs ,then truly the message of his death is our power we who are saved ,so nothing should stop us from symbolizing and proclaiming his death. Notice that , the only thing we have been instructed by the Master is to remember his passion and death , during the Eucharistic celebration we precisely do so, but why this ? Because ,each time we profess his death ,we activate calvary ,and the power thereof sends Satan into oblivion, SATAN hates the crucifixion ,that is why he desires that people forget about it ,because that is the power that defeated him .
@19:25 sample not from the original shroud? Really? You can look at the shroud and see where they removed the samples. Looks like it was original to me. Which patch is he talking about.
There are no arguments against miracles but there is scientific groundwork for them, which put miracles as highly improbable but not impossible!!
Any chance we can get the slides? Google drive share or drop box? 😊
How about resurrection radiation?
Lot’s of good arguement for this being of Jesus, but why doesn’t Vatican accept it? It accepted many “miracles” but not this?
Ask Jesus if this is Him.
Dr Habermas, maybe an 'addendum' of sort? The recent 'Wide angle X Ray scattering' test results in Italy?
It's amazing to me how man can love and accept love from one another, filthy as we are, and yet not accept true love from our Creator? Yet I understand the plight of the Jew. There are many Pharisees that accept the plan of Salvation. And these are men who obey the Torah down to the letter and perform their convictions better than most of us Christians do. Myself included. God bless.
If you had grown up in India, living with Hindu parents, what would you say about Jesus? I doubt you would say much about the Christian God. Does my assertion make sense? If not, why?
Christianity isn't something you do, it's something that's done to you by the Holy Spirit. Never mix law with grace or you will have neither.
Jesus was marred more than any man. This doesn't look like a marred Jesus.
The imprint caused by "an immense amount of light" could have been during the "healing" process for all we know - still plenty of damage evident in the image!
Haters gonna hate
Rip, Berry.
I gotta think he was seeing the face on that cloth in his last moments.
He mentioned 2 books at the beginning of the lecture. I heard the name of one, Trustworthy. What is the other book?
He didn't say a title for the other one.... I'd just research Habermas books.
@Standing.W.Israel Yes. I looked at his and related book covers at the time. Didn't see a cover resembling the book he showed. I'll have to look again.
This is what God Says:
Isaiah 52:14
14 Just as there were many who were appalled at him - his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being and his form marred beyond human likeness-
Does the face on the shroud look like this?
Don't worry about shroud man - worry about doubting thomas
RIP: Barrie Schwortz. No idea he had passed away.
Begin with revelation, not with the science used on a relic in order to confirm the resurrection, not any material thing. The SoT could be an elaborate, science-vetted but revelation-unfounded "sign or wonder" out to blindside many. Remember that an angel of light works tirelessly to delude even the chosen of Yah. Beware!
GLORY TO THE LORD, thank you dear Dr..
John 6:27-29
English Standard Version
27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.” 28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
I don’t believe for a moment he thinks it’s legit 80 percent on a bad day and 90 percent on a good day, he’s convinced 100 percent that it’s the Shroud of Christ.
You are not alone. All intelligent people that have given any time at all to studying the Shroud know that it's 100% real. 👍
Why send out your only Son and let him be murdered so cruelly to bring The Message to the world only to have the Resurrection be so ambiguous ? Why let him only appear to so few followers that it places doubt about this Resurrection ? Why not appear at mass gatherings so there would be no doubt about said Resurrection ? It shouldn’t be hard to realize that all this is obfuscation, if any Almighty Being would want to bring a clear Message to the world would not Clarity and Straightforward be the only way to do it. ? To not leave any doubt, to convince each and everyone in a simple and easy-to-understand Way ? How come none of the most important faiths have had any clear proof of their respective Godheads since their inception ? Absolute silence on Their part….
I wonder if God wants something from us that is far more than our rational ascent to facts…. Maybe stop and think about what you are worshipping… The religion of scientism and rationality is so thin… There is so much transcendental reality that you are experiencing everyday that mere rational thinking cannot grasp… don’t ask your spouse to prove their love for you… just love her back.
John 20:29 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
@@Timothythebrave So I can claim to have seen a unicorn ? You’d have to take my word for it ? When you, dear sir or madam, buy a fish do you buy it unseen ? When looking to buy a new house do you choose it unseen ? I do hope you use your senses in daily life and don’t believe in fairy tales so why believe in a tale that never has had any proof ?
@@markharrington5515 I could ask you to believe in gnomes or elves and claim transcendence too ? Just because we “feel” things does not make them real. You know when Titus looked behind the veil where Jehovah was supposed to be in the Temple there was absolutely nothing there ? The whole Jewish nation was absolutely sure their God dwelt behind that veil. ( I both mean the literal veil and the metaphorical veil )
@ you could claim whatever you like but unlike Jesus of Nazareth, there is no proof of the existence of a unicorn. There are eyewitness accounts substantiating the claims that Jesus Christ was indeed crucified and put to death by the Roman authorities and then rose from the dead a few days later. Scripture has been verified so many ways and many prophetic writings have come to pass. There is evidence for the claims of the Bible.
If you want to understand God and how He operates, you must first have faith (which means trust) in His word and seek Him diligently. What God offers the world is salvation and that is an excellent gift beyond measure. I pray for you on your journey. 🙏❤️💪
Theology and science are like oil and water.
That's the Cesar Borgia image. Which is not Yeshura
Really? And who told you that whopper? A fellow student in your middle school??
@beverlyhurd8556 look up the "Good Shepard Roman Catacombs". Look up the BLK Madonna.
Look up>>cesare borgia christ image
@@MCfact1827 And _that's_ your evidence? Well, better you than me that's for sure! 🤦♂
@@beverlyhurd8556 what do the majority of "Good Shepard Roman Catacombs" images show you?
What does the BLK Madonna image show you? Also "Catacombs of Priscilla Christ"
The Da Vinci ... Cesar Borgia(Christ) images don't match
All I can do is lead you to water...
Logically its more likely real than not, even for sceptics
Why?
@@tobias4411 Because they need it to be. There is no logic behind the OP.
Is the shroud that important to mess up everything?
You can’t have good content like this with lousy audio. It’s frustrating.
i recently have been drawn to my Jewish roots as a believer of Yeshua.
it is very upsetting when i hear the word christianity in the same sentence with Judaism. so anyone listening to this who is of Jewish heritage please don’t be offended. and yes i Love your Messiah!!!!
Learned some things I didn't know before about the shroud.
Oh, c'mon Gary! Constantine didn't declare the empire "a Christian nation"! He just made Christianity legal, and its practice protected from persecution. It was Theodosius, several decades after Constantine's death, who made it the official religion of the empire.
I have never heard this about Theodosius. Thanks for posting something else to research.
See? Jesus wasn’t afro/colored. This was a common burial practice of people there of that era. All shrouds would look similar, Jesus or not. Non-afro/colored images.
I can't even take skeptic videos on the shroud. If you know the evidence on the shroud, it's about a sure a thing to be legit as the resurrection of Christ. End of story. Anybody have any arguments for it being a fake? If you do you have no idea what you're talking about and you make me cringe. 😂
He looks like Mike Huckaby!
Sad Barry passed away
It sure is. One of the greatest Shroud experts on Earth and one of the very few surviving STURP team members. I will miss watching new videos with him in them. 😞
Nobody has answered my question yet.
If God is all knowing and all powerful, and he put the tree of knowledge in the garden of Eden, he knew Adam and Eve were going to eat the fruit. Then when they did, he curses humanity with death. Then he sends his son to be murdered as an atonement for Adam and Eve's disobedience so humanity can get back into his good graces.
My question is, are you people INSANE to believe this is a deity of LOVE? Reading the Bible, this deity doesn't sound like a deity of love AT ALL.
Either I'm insane or you are. We both cannot be sane and think this is somehow okay.
Now, the official position is God's son is God himself. So, you're telling me the Jesus is Yahweh? Well, how come he didn't simply tell Moses his name is Jesus? The only answer you can give is speculative, because you don't know, and you can't know, because there's no reason why given in the Bible, so any answer you give is purely your own speculation - because NOBODY knows.
The Trinity is a speculation and doctrine of Man, it is not found in the Bible. It was derived many, many years after the life and death of Jesus.
The 4 gospels begin with Mark being the first written (which wasn't even written by Mark). Mark's premise is that Jesus was a preacher who preached a return to the law and that the kingdom of Heaven is at hand and to repent. John is the last book, written around 100 AD. It's premise is that Jesus is God. So, Christianity's narrative went from a man preaching the return to the law in Mark, to that same man is now God himself in John (which like Mark, wasn't even written by John), around 100 years later.
All of the gospels start embellishing Jesus. But to go from a humble preacher in Galilee preaching a return to the law to said preacher being God himself in the span of around 100 years is quite a stretch. Imagine somebody today started writing that Billy Graham was a humble preacher who preached repentance. Then subsequent a couple of books are written about him that embellishes him. Then around the year 2100, somebody wrote a book that claimed he was God. The actual deity. The creator of everything.
This is the most confusing Pantheon in the world. Where's Ashera? Why were women demoted?
"Thou Shalt Not Kill"
How many times did God kill people in the Bible?
How many times did God command people to kill other people in the Bible?
How many times did God command his angels to kill people in the Bible?
I suppose in the minds of the INSANE that its somehow justified as long as God did it or command it be done.
And this is your idea of a God of love?
Are you out of your minds?
It's a serious question.
Look at the weapons you're providing for the MASS MURDER going on. I suppose in a few years somebody is going to write a book called "Deus Vult" that's going to put lipstick on that pig.
And it'll be justified as an act of that God.
Hi Gary. How ya doing? We should talk. I have an interesting story to tell you.
He don't care about you. He just wants you to watch his videos and buy his books.
@@earthisasphere Really? Actually, I was a student at a small Bible school located on an old Air Force base in the Judith mountains smack in the middle of Montana 50 years ago. During my time there Dr. Habermas came on board for his first teaching gig fresh of his Ph.D. He was an instant hit with the students, and everyone called him Doc. I took several of his classes and he became my Advisor for my thesis project required for graduation. His wife Debbie offered her services to type it up for me. Haven't spoken to him since this time but I think he might be surprised and pleased to hear from me. In addition, I think it might be a good idea for you to find a quiet place and rethink your thoughts and attitudes about things you know nothing about.
The biggest question is : why not test the dna and see his genes?
Perhaps he was not Judean but Israelite.
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Judah being one tribe (not including benjamin) and Israel being 10
Because the shroud isn't real? That would be a good reason.
Actually, an Italian team spent five years using the world’s most powerful eximer laser, and could not reproduce the image. They estimate it would take a pulse lasting one *forty billionth* of a second of uv radiation on the order of several billion watts of power. Clearly, obviously supernatural. Cannot be done by modern man. Probably the single most amazing part of the shroud. It broke the carbon bonds of the top layer of the fibrals, turning them into double-bonds.
Journal Article: “Coloring linens with excimer lasers to simulate the body image of the Turin Shroud”
Giuseppe Baldacchini, Paolo Di Lazzaro, Daniele Murra, and Giulio Fanti
It's been reproduced
The Middles Age race for relics certainly produced some unique items. Dozens of shrouds, countless true cross wood fragments, and pieces human remains galore. Just know that the Vatican considers the Turin Shroud a fake from the very late 1300’s, but allows reverence for what it represents.
The truth of Carbon-14 dating has not been kind to these claimed holy relics.
"Just know that the Vatican considers the Turin Shroud a fake from the very late 1300’s, but allows reverence for what it represents."
Source?
Here in 2024, there is virtually _no one_ that is both intelligent and has plenty of common sense that will call the Holy Shroud a fake. That is simply impossible.
This video could have been a hell of a lot shorter without the fluff
If you were to apply the rule of law that is beyond all reasonable doubt have you made your case for the authenticity of this relic
I have to say no
YOU CAMT CARBON DATE A GARMENT THAT HAS HEAVY SMOKE DAMAGE.
Smoke contains carbon deposits and those deposits will be absorbed into the material.
Think about it.
You seem to be an expert. Are you a physicist?
From which scientifically recognised and accessable source you have got this info?
So, smoke contains C14 atoms that are inseparably incoroperated into the grown molecular fibre structure of linen - right!?
And could you describe shortly and with simple words the main relevant analysis steps of C14 dating?
Thanks!
@ The steps for carbon dating, also known as C14 dating, involve: collecting a sample from the organic material, cleaning it to remove contaminants, converting it to a measurable form (like carbon dioxide), measuring the ratio of Carbon-14 to Carbon-12 using a specialized instrument like an Accelerator Mass Spectrometer (AMS), and then calculating the age based on the known half-life of Carbon-14 (5,730 years).
Anytime Bro
@@joliver81
And those fire contaminants couldn't be cleaned in case of the Shroud?
Or those 3 university labs respectively the executing people must have been laymen.
@@wipo3654 have you ever seen smoke damage? On a thin garment? I’m sure there is some process that could remove some, but not all, that why performed wide angle X-ray scattering tests, (waxs testing). Which showed the material matched the age of other factually known garments from that region and period, 30 ad, Israel region.
Seems like the 1st photo ever taken by someone. Maybe DaVinci
Yup. And Leonardo must have jumped into the time machine that he invented to go back to the 1st century to make it.
@beverlyhurd8556 lol. I wouldn't go that far.
@@extremepsych Well, the Shroud is from the 1st century. Da Vinci was born in the 15th century. So how do you think that he could have done it?
@beverlyhurd8556 I know the time. I also believe in the written word. A personal document of Leonardo himself. He worked for the church and the church used him to help bring faith back to the church as they have done many times over. The cloth could be old, doesn't mean the image is. Imagine you go outside and grab a rock, that rock itself may be very old. Now you carve it,..does that mean the carving is as old as the rock? Let me state one thing, I do very much believe in the man called Jesus. I know that is in no way his name for it is impossible. Yet, I do believe he existed and do believe he did spread knowledge. Ancient knowledge. Closer to agnostic teaching.
@@extremepsych Oh my goodness. Do you really and truly believe, for real now, that someone held onto a 3/1 herringbone weave 14' long linen cloth for _1400_ years just so someone could make a fake image of Jesus Christ on it??? Tell me where is this 'written word' that says that Leonardo da Vinci put the image on the Shroud. And (how funny!) if he did, then how did he do it? Are you not aware that the Shroud has been examined by several dozens of scientists for thousands of hours and they _know_ that it was not made by the hand of man? I really hope that you are just making a joke and that your brain really and truly does not work like this.
In modern times, what race would that man's image reflect?
Regardless of the modern times, the blood type on the Shroud is AB negative, which is predominantly found among jews. Jesus is a jew.
King James human
@theylivewesleep.5139 😂
@@dw8134Red ochre (iron oxide) and vermilion (mercury sulfide) pigments were found on the fibers. Watch the video 'The mystery of the Shroud of Turin with Walter C.McCrone'. He was a highly respected and influential microscopist, often referred to as the 'father of modern microscopy' due to his extensive work. McCrone analyzed fibers from both the edges and the image itself. Watching the suggested video will reveal his analysis papers, showing results and values from the image areas. He believed that iron oxide was used for the body image and a mixture of iron oxide and vermilion was used for the "blood" marks. The assertion by some proponents of the Shroud's authenticity that he did not examine the image is false, as they wish to maintain its genuineness. McCrone explained that the only colored materials he found on the Shroud, including in the image areas, were inorganic pigments (not blood) and the yellowing of the medium. This evidence clearly shows that the Shroud of Turin is a medieval artwork used as a forgery.
If you want to dig deeper into this; see the research paper 'The reddish color of bloodstains on the Shroud of Turin: investigation of two hypotheses.' Found at MedCrave under journals.
Name: Journal of Historical Archaeology & Anthropological Sciences.
A Hebrew Jewish
The image on the shroud looks suspiciously like Willie Nelson!
Transfiguration of Christ after death
Here is something to throw at the naturalist. What are UAPs? They are intelligent and do things that are beyond our abilities and are proven to exist. So what is the naturalists explanation of those?
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) are intriguing but do not prove anything supernatural or the existence of a deity. Although difficult to explain, theories include visits from extraterrestrial civilizations for exploration or observation on Earth, secret advanced human technology, autonomous drones by sophisticated AI systems from our own world, or psychological and cultural influences. Media portrayals and historical contexts, like Cold War tensions or shows like "X-Files," can lead to misinterpretations of ordinary objects as UAPs. While pilots report UAPs, adding credibility, many are later identified as mundane objects like drones or balloons. The psychological impact of sightings can also transform witnesses' perceptions and beliefs.
Pointless question
@JohnSmith-pl5te Is it supernatural? Could UAPs be our god in the mind of the naturalist? We knwi they are real right? We have proof of them right? Supernatural proof.
Now we also have proof of the real God from the Shroud of Turin, Sudarium of Oviedo, WAXS dating method.
Is this faith or science?
Man the AI bots are removing my posts again
@@tobias4411That's not how belief works. But given that consciousness is defined differently in materialism and theism, ultimately there will be disparities in belief, faith, and practically everything else.
No one on earth knows whose image is on that cloth. No one. You can believe that its Jesus image all you want. And it still doesn't make it the image of Jesus. And it never will. Salvation is all about what Jesus did for our sins. His sacrifice has nothing to do with what he looked like. And anyone who claims something is God and it isn't well that's called Blasphemy. Be very careful of what or who you make your God out to be.
New data on blood etc.. you arnt adressing that. Think you should explain plus the different effects that cause same image, the ones from rat pups... you haven't explained any of that new information
Terrible sound quality unbearable.
It's from the 1300's, this hasn't changed.
Today, no intelligent person with even a smattering of common sense is going to call the Holy Shroud a medieval fake. That's just impossible. A new study overseen by Dr. Liberato de Caro of Italy’s Institute of Crystallography of the National Research Council, in Bari has concluded that the Shroud of Turin dates to the first century. In a report published on the website of Italy’s Department of Chemical Sciences and Materials Technologies, de Caro outlined the “Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering” or WAXS method they used, which measures the structural degradation due to natural aging of the cellulose that makes up the fibers of the linen threads. This process, which is non-destructive, was used on a variety of historical textiles which have well-documented ages, and then compared to the Shroud of Turin; the best match was with a piece of fabric from ca. AD 55-74 known to have come from the siege of Masada in Israel. The new dating contradicts the 1988 carbon-14 test of fabric threads from the shroud, which dated the relic to the Middle Ages. Critics have long pointed out that that test was flawed, as it came from an area of the fabric that was repaired in the Middle Ages. The new study also notes that ancient textiles can become contaminated with substances over time that could distort carbon-14 results. The new findings show that the fabric of the Shroud of Turin originated at the time of Christ.