Panasonic S5 | Worth upgrading from the GH5?
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One of the main reasons why me and many others love the GH5 and GH5S is because the lenses are so much less then full frame and more compact. I hope they carry on making M43 as I love the format
I will stick to my GH5.
Nowadays people worry to much about specs and not about what you can do with the things you have.
totally agree :) just got S5 and had gh5 for years and a bit confused :) the codecs maybe better 4.2.2 on S5 but it has a lower bitrate on S5. Then 4k 60p its croped so that means you could not use FF and for wide shots you need super wide lens. Lenses are limited on L mount (wide collection on old lenes like m42, but no native affordable prime lenses) I have plenty 1.4 / 1.8 lenses on M43 and size its just more than half from FF L mount lenses. Quality of the image I would not say its a big step up. From GH5 and right lens you could get decent image. Button layout on s5 looks like panasonic G80 entry level comparing to GH5 whit much more extra buttons and better dieals. Dials I prepefer more on GH5. Also the menu on S5 is too small for my eye and I got 20/20 vision so prefer on GH5. Slow motion on S5 its on different dial mode S&Q and only records in MP4 WTF??? So whanted to move to FF but now now Im confused.... S1 & S1H not for me too heavy will consider to move to iPhone 13 pro max instead of S5 :)
Yup, totally worth it, sell all your GH5s, flood the market so I can get a couple of used bargains :)
Maybe I have something in my eyes. but I think the GH5 had slightly better image than S5... S5 wins on autofocus...
@Zack Darce It´s a bit stressful situation. (we have an "old" Canon C2000), old in the sense it only records full HD, and has no IBIS, focus is bad ... it has all kinds of small issues... so I would like to get some next gen, still, new cameras are so expensive that my heart stops.
New stuff is coming out, but prices are very high. The GH5 seems to have many good things, the thing I am a little unsure of is the autofocus (in those cases you need it). Another smaller issue is filming in dark... where SONY shines (but in some test, the Sony IBIS was jerky), and the new a7s III will be around 4.400€ - GOD OF MERCY, I get a car or MC for that price. Then is the question if GH6 will come out, when and at what price?
@@PjotrII I thought so too
The GH5 set a new standard, and the only thing that would make go FF is for low-light and shooting with my vintage glass without a Speed Booster.
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I'll continue with the GH5 and wait for a GH6. Maybe an S version with stabilizer?
I have 7 mft lenses and the low light performance isn't the most important thing for me.
Same here
How much gh5
Agreed. I honestly think it would make more sense to fuse the S version with the GH line for the GH6.
It probably doesn't need the fancy larger m43 sensor of the GH6, but a 10-12mp sensor that's stabilized would be awesome.
And the G9/upcoming G10 can just retain the hybrid function.
Panasonic needs to develop their own sensors though. It looks like they're at the mercy of Sony who doesn't want to sell them PDAF enabled sensors.
Same here
I really want to get the GH5 but I keep seeing its not good for photography and I really want to be able to do both filmmaking and photography. What's your experience with the GH5 for photography if u have any?
You are a legend that was great help!💪💪 thank you very much!
Can't believe this channel only has 42k subscribers. ProAV TV content is awesome.
I agree, this is one of the channels I always check if I'm interested in something because they're likely to notice something that no one else does, and to put things into useful perspective
Agreed
Gh5 with a speed booster using fast lenses plus good manual focus practice experience is still a joy,..did we miss the L mount section of this review? 😃
Hey Carl. I upgraded from the GH5 to the S5 and i cannot be happier. The still image quality is far superior and so is the AF compared to the gh5. I have got around the micro hdmi issue with a cage and micro to full hdmi adapter ensuring minimal disturbance of the micro port itself. Also the full Vlog is considerably better to use than the VlogL. I loved using the GH5 but the small sensor and poor low light capability was always an issue. Not with the full frame sensor and dual native ISO this camera is now a worthy A cam to my bmpcc4k. In addition, given that I previously owned a Ninja v with my gh5 it's perfect as I now will be recording 4k prores HQ on both the S5 and bmpcc4k as I don't at present want to use up all my drive space with 5.9 k prores raw. All in all I was in no way interested in waiting for the GH6 rumoured to be listed at about £2500, for the price it's hard to beat the S5. . Sort for the long post
Very helpful vidéo, thank you ! I got a gh5 and will obviously upgrade to a s5.
You finely answer to all of my concerns in this video. I’m tired of low light situation with my Gh5 and don’t want to record with a sigma Stone!
So as long as the autofocus is a bit Better than gh5 and i fix my low light troubles with à kit lens I will propably mode to a s5 ! Thank you for this efficent vidéo!
This is an informative comparison.
Very interesting information. Thank You!
No problem thanks for watching
Carl
I use the GH5 primarily for documentary style work, and if you go native, there is nothing quite like it. It works, through snow, rain and heat without a single hitch. And paired with lenses like the Olympus 12 mm f2, 45 mm f1.8, Pana Leica 25 f1.4 etc you have a solid performer in all situations (except full fledged night-time, but for that nothing except A7S line holds up)... My camera bag on the road weighs under 2 kg with camera, 4 lenses, 3-4 batteries etc and even with a gimbal, stays under 3 kg.
That said, I might look at Panasonic S5 as my A-Cam (and stay with GH5 as B-Cam), since paired with Prores RAW it seems to be the most promising stable cinema-quality camera in the range... Plus (fingers crossed) I am hoping for some solid Panasonic firmware updates for S5 in the coming year or two.
ps. This is a fairly long post, but wanted to thank you. Superb content, always!
Very tempted... The micro HDMI is really putting me off. Like the 14+ stops, low-light and full VLOG features of the camera
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What about the Gh5S for clean image? Surely with dual ISO would be cleaner at higher ISO. Could you do Gh5s vs S5 comparison asap please?
You NAILED it sir!
I'm a GH5/GH5s user. Can I jam sync timecode to the S5 like I can with the GH5s? *might* be a dealbreaker for me as I use multiple cameras that I sync using timecode.
Are you planning on making a new video for the S5 and or S1 with the latest FW updates, record bitrates, raw output etc upgrades they have received?
Sorry for being months late to the party, however, I really don’t see how any of the examples makes the GH5 footage unusable. For pixel peepers, sure they are a finicky bunch. But realistically, anyone using the GH5 in a perceived professional capacity is not going to use kit lenses.
Trust me when I say, no one is looking at footage on RUclips decrying about the image quality. Most content is going to be viewed over the internet. 75% of it will be consumed on a device that can barely handle 4K well. Besides a wedding couple, and maybe the parents, no one is downloading that video...
Most people that create content need to be more realistic as to how their footage is being consumed and longevity of its viewing potential.1% might be Citizen Kane, 3% maybe Clerks, none of it will be Star Wars...
Just saying...
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Good point, but what about the future? I remember 5 years ago in my life almost nobody was talking about 4K. Sure it was there but it was meant for 'Movies or way too professional people' .Nowadays high resolution playback devices are growing and de difference is going to be noticed if we don't change to 4K. Sure, right now it is not that important, but lets see in 5-10 years.
So I only shoot with manual vintage glass on speedboosters and I light my videos properly every time & expose protecting highlights, is the S5 still better than the GH5 in my case?
Hi Carl, you are right, but I use my GH5 & GH5s with metabones speed boosters and some really fast panasonic lenses and I generally don't get much issues. I never shoot with AF because I shoot video manually always. I would love to try the S1H though. :). Looking forward to the GH6 in 2021.
If you do lots of 4k60 it doesn't really make sense to me to upgrade from the GH5 at all. The S5 crops into S35 mode while I still get the wider x1,3 Crop on a GH5 using a Metabones Speed Booster XL!
Would you recommemd the camera for outdoor wildlife-video? Currently own a G7
If I buy the S5 can I use lenses like the Rokinon 85M-C 85mm F1.4 Aspherical Lens for Canon that is modestly priced. I am afraid of getting trapped into only being able to use very expensive lenses.
not in a million years, i love the light weight of gh5 + 15mm leica, happy with iq and low light already, only camera i would trade gh5 is a phase detect gh5, the rest is perfect
Merhaba Kerem Ogretmen, Do you recommend Leica 15mm f1.7mm for GH5 Videos? I am thinking to purchase a Leica 15mm or Loawa 12mm F1.8.
Note: I own a 25mm Leica 1.4 mm it is a bit narrow for my video requirements. (I pretty much use 13-35mm F2.8 all the time and looking for a small portable walk around lens)
@@mssapmaz Merhabalar :) yes because the focusing is very direct that you couldn't even tell its focus by wire, personally I can't use 12 mm as the only lens for being that wide, but 15mm is the perfect balance for this,
@@mssapmaz Sigma 16mm 1.4 is a great option as well!
Dear Carl, Your review is lucid and easier to understand for those whose mother-tongue is not English like me. Excuse me what do you think about Gh5m2 over S5. Please kindly make a comparison between GH5m2 and S5. I'd like to buy one in the near future. Thank you.
What's your opinion about indoor sports photography for the S5?
My Sigma 18-35 1.8 and 50-100 1.8 with the speedbooster give me the FF equivalent of f 2.4 constant. To achieve this with FF lenses would be probably double the price. And then I would lose All-I and unlimited record time. So for the moment I'm fine continuing with MFT.
My S5 arrives tomorrow! Selling my GH5 and lenses.
There is an upgrade path from the GH5, and that is the GH5S. The S5 has the problem of limited lens choices. MFT has more lens choices that any other system. Eventually the L-mount will catch up, but for now the most creative options are found in MFT. There is also the issue that full frame lenses are bigger and heavier. One of the joys of MFT is that it is possible to carry an incredible kit into very out of the way places. I think the best thing Sony ever did was put a 12Mp sensor in a video centric camera, and the best thing Panasonic did was put a 10Mp sensor into a GH camera. As a result I will happily stay with MFT and let others deal with heavy bags of equipment, and keep the Sony for the full frame stuff when that is appropriate.
This is me exactly as well, I really don't like the S5 being looked at as an upgrade to the GH5 as it is no more an upgrade than moving to the E-Mount for the A7S III or RF mount for the R5. It is the video capabilities of a camera body that is driving my interest in upgrading. The S5 is a decent enough camera it seems, but in no way would it be convincing me to buy into a lens system with limited choice that is also predominantly very expensive.
Dominic Ryan I am sure the S5 is a great camera for those with L-mount lenses, but an upgrade to the GH5 it is not. The GH5S and the upcoming GH6 range are far more interesting potential upgrades.
ojoaoefixe Why continue making MFT? Because there is a need for it. This is exactly like back in film days. Certain projects, mostly artistic creations such as feature films were shot on 35mm (and 35mm movie meant APSC format. However, 35mm had too shallow a depth of field for other kinds of motion picture. This included almost all documentary and interview footage, and that would always be shot on 16mm (which was around the size of 1 inch sensors. Where greater depth of field was required, 8mm was used, although that format was also used for family type footage. You don’t seem to understand that at a professional level there is often a need for a smaller sensor, and while 1 inch is a great format, MFT is a step up in quality while still maintaining a useful depth of field. Unfortunately a lot of the RUclips conversation is dominated by well meaning amateurs who have convinced themselves that full frame is somehow “better”. That is sometimes true, but not always. Sometimes MFT or 1 inch is “better”. This is why a studio like mine has cameras with a wide range of sensor sizes from 1/2.5 to full frame. Camera sales figures reveal that there are a lot more smaller sensor cameras sold than larger sensors. You should perhaps check out professional video equipment. APSC Super 35 exists, as well as MFT, but the majority of professional broadcast cameras have sensors 1 inch or less.
@@joaocorreiamedia What did @artistjoh say exactly that was crap? My take away was they were just saying that different needs are best served by different cameras. I completely agree with this.
My main use is landscape & nature videography, this can involve hiking for hours. The lens size and weight discrepancy you seem to be palming off as no big deal is in fact a very big deal for this. The high end M43 telephoto options are a fraction of the size, weight and cost of FF options.
I have have FF cameras too, in fact most of my camera bodies are Sony FF. They are definitely what I reach for any time low light is a factor. For low light applications the FF advantage is night and day. However I have yet to reach for them for thin DOF as the DOF from M43 is perfectly suitable for all useful scenarios I've encountered to date. People seem to forget that the GH5s is a 1.8x crop factor. Put a Metabones 0.64 speedbooster in front of that and you have FF equivalent crop of just 1.15. I mean you could put one of the f/1.2 EF lenses on there for a maximum effective aperture of f/0.77 or something, I just can't think of an application where that sort of razor thin focal plane would be useful for video (I expect it exists though).
Dominic Ryan I suspect that ojo whatever has never used a GH5s for work. He appears to buy certain cameras due to low price rather than practical needs. He apparently can’t imagine, for example, needing to use a wide open aperture due to light conditions yet maintain as deep a depth of focus as possible. And if he doesn’t personally experience that need, then anything we might require is just crap. I tried to enlighten him on the bigger world beyond his personal experience, but he meets that with rudeness so I wouldn’t give him the time of day.
I am glad you liked the S5, as we are Currently working on the GH6 and the GH6-T. Hopefully you won't be disappointed.
What? Who are you? Do you work for Panasonic? Please tell us when [exactly] will the GH6 will be released...
i want the GH6-S
i got the gh5, is that enough for like good cinematic videos. for like fitness vlogs and pictures?
The biggest issue with this type of upgrade is that a new set of lenses is also required. What seems strange is that Panasonic is adding features to this that aren't in the S1. Features that seem to be firmware, not hardware. I get that an entry-level camera may not have the same level of heat management, and therefore must have time limits on certain modes. But I'm not sure why an entry level camera will get vectorscopes and RAW output when the higher-level camera doesn't.
Yup, I'm an S1 owner that's not super happy about this at all. Especially since those features were left out to get us to consider the S1H. I really dont see why Panasinic can't add these features into the S1 at this point. Most notably, 10 bit 4:2:0 at 4K 60p, and shutter angle.
It is because this is clearly targeting existing GH5 users who expect those features when making the switch
@@nwpgunner As long as they also add these firmware features to the S1, that's okay. Otherwise, I feel a lack of integrity with current customers.
@@nwpgunner I was one of those GH5 users expecting these features when I bought the S1. I wouldnt be so irritated by this if they dodnt price it cheaper than the S1. The G9 is the photo focused camera from their M43 systems, and it's cheaper tham the GH5. I dont even expect ALL the features from the S5, I'm not unreasonable. But come on, what is shutter angle really costing them to just add in? 10 bit 420 at 4K 60 actually makes 4K 60 useable with V-LOG. I don't expect anamorphic support, raw output, or anything else the S5 has. Hell, I couldn't care less about the S1 getting the S5 autofocus upgrade. Those two features would satisfy me as an S1 early adopter, and there's no reason they can't be added in now that they've cannibalized the S1 in the market. They were clearly left out to drive people to the S1H to get those features, but now the game has changed.
As someone going from the GH5 to the S5 I found that the grip size definitely took some getting used to. I found it more difficult to hold the S5 comfortably after having used the larger GH5 grip for so long.
That's a great way of looking at these two cameras, GH5 = top of the MFT line. S5 = entry level FF line. With the GH5s being a low light monster variant.
I've seen the gh5 dip under 800 now so I'll be looking to get one maybe when the gh6 comes out since my mft lens collection is just about filled out. I miiight look into s1, which i've seen dip 1400, once the upgrades come out and prices drop even further.
Gh5 under $800 Where?
Does it really make sense to compare ISO performance for cameras with different sensor sizes? If we are trying to record the same image - with the same depth of field and shutter speed - a GH5 will be operating at two stops lower ISO than the S5.
I'd say the image quality looks almost identical other than the SDOF of the S5.
I keep thinking of 'upgrading' but I actually think the better option (and is what I'm planning) is to buy the 10mm Voigtlander lens and the DJI RS2 with it's 3D focus adapter. Using the Voigthlander will give a very similar DOF at 1.8 or even .95 and the 3D focus of the gimbal (which uses Lidar) will allow me to auto focus far better and quicker while still using the voighlander. So basically this set up (in theory) should eliminate the two main issue people have with the GH5.
On another note, I wish the S5 supported 24 cinema frequency, something else the GH5 does.
The only problem would be the 3D focus currently only works for centre point focus. But I think in a couple of years time, we should see one that has at least 9 or maybe even 45 point AF like DSLRs.
I guess it could work if you shoot everything wider and just crop to the point of focus.
@@professionalpotato4764 Yeah I do wonder if they'll fix that in a firmware update.
I have the 25 mm Voigtlander and just ordered the 10.5mm. This is an awesome pair that works for many many situtations. For lowlight I also bring my 2 aputure M9 lights. Compact, small and great imag quality.
Fantastic overview, that shocking the difference between the GH5 and S5 . Looking to upgrade to this from both the GH5 and G9. however the A73 is similarly priced so Sony is a really tempting option still and none of the AF issues.
Those who buy sony A73 are those who are not into videography/cenematography but for those vloger depend on Autofocus.
I own both the GH5 and the A7III. Believe me, for video options, stick with the GH5. You can work around focus issues but you can't improve 8bit to 10bit, stabilisation, shutter angle over shutter speed, all-i recording, unlimited record time, smaller and greater lens options... the list goes on. The S5 looks like a great camera but there's still so much the GH5 can do that the S5, and other similarly priced cameras, can't do.
If I can record Pro Res out of the HDMI port the lack of internal All-i is negated. The high cost and limited suppliers of compatible SD cards that persisted long after the GH5 was released made Atomos a straightforward option for high bit rate recording to SSD's.
What is the best wireless microphone set to use with this camera?
What do you think of the new GH5II vs the S5? Both are $1700 right now on the US market. Which do you think is a better value to filmmakers
Thank you for a very informative video.
I myself used to be a Nikon user, had a D7100 with a 70-200 F2.8 lens. It wasn´t really good for video and I have always enjoyed doing both, so I sold all my gear and upgraded to the GH5 in 2017. I have been happy with it, but felt that in some ways it was a step back when taking photos, even with my 12-35 F2.8 II and 35-100 F2.8 V1 I just couldn't get the nice shallow DOF and bokeh that I got with my Nikon system. Video quality has always been fantastic though.
As someone with limited budget and always on all trips and projects spending 50/50 on photos as well as videos I would like to switch to a "Holy Grail" sort of camera that excels with both. I am not convinced that the S5 is that camera. I think it is crystal clear as the next step for a videographer going from GH5, but I am now more inclined to at least dream of affording to switch to the Sony A7S III. When looking at RUclips reviews of that camera it seems to be perfect for both video and stills. But the price is, well for a happy amateur like me, paying some 5 500 USD for a camera with a kit-lens is not realistic. Maybe I stay with my GH5 and be happy with it for another decade or so?
I am also this type of photographer/videographer with a 50/50 demand. Therefore I decided to go for the Lumix G9. For me the perfect decision. I think the genes of the S5 are closer to the G9 than to the GH5. Because I like the Panasonic system so much, in case of an upgrade I would stick to the S5 instead of choosing the much more expensive (but also capable) Sony A7SIII with its horrible user interface. Because I am absolutely satisfied with my two G9s I'm also not waiting impatiently for a MFT upgrade like a G9 MkII or a GH6.
@@frankthoma6764 I agree with you Frank. But after watching Tony & Chelsea's review of the S5 I maybe change my mind again.
ruclips.net/video/XNNW_JAsGgQ/видео.html
They do actually talk quite a lot about the S5's capability for photos and what they say about it is very positive, it being a Full frame camera and all. I think I will put the immature thought of trying to sell my GH5 together with the 12-35 and 35-100 lenses in the oven, bake it for a couple of weeks and see what comes out, maybe it will be too irresistible to not try do that?
12MP is underwhelming for stills IMO. I need at least 20MP without AA filter tonget stills I find satisfyingly sharp to watch on my 4K screen
The thing stopping me from buying this is the 10-25mm f/1.7 lens for M4/3. There is no equivalent option for S5 or any other system I can find.
As far as GH5 noise concern - use faster glass.
I'm not there with this one yet... I'd rather get the S1H. Unless you get an external recorder.
The Panasonic gh5s and Panasonic S5 would compliment eachother nicely
Speedbooster with sigma 18-35 f1.8. You never need to worry about low light.
What speedbooster are you using? Do you know what place has the best price on the booster and lens?
MgelinFilms Cheap Vitrox speedbooster is good enough for video use. But if you have money, 10-25 is better overall. I owned both.
@@waynecake5867 10-25...? Viltrox? Metabones? Or are you referring to a 10-25 lumix stabilized lens? Forgive me not knowing what you mean... I am new to all this. I never even owned a DSLR. Whatever I get will be my first [real] camera.
@@mgelinfilms7344 I mean Panasonic Leica 10-25mm f1.7 lens.
@@waynecake5867 Thank you.
I am surprised these camera makers do not use an extra smartphone chip and processing and computational photgraphy to help with low right and other things.
deal breaker for me is 4k 60 record limit. 30 minutes? i record live music performances. they don't stop at 30 minutes. I assume it's a heat thing. too bad. otherwise? i'd buy it tomorrow.
No, it's for tax avoiding/legal purpose, due to EU regulation beyond 30 min that would be recorder/hdv territory range
@@franchocou Not really, the GH5 and GH5s sold in Europe were different from the other ones in the world that did not suffer from this limit. Panasonic has done it for a long time. I am sure the problem reside elsewhere.
Panasonic has made some new solid cameras, but the GH5 still wins with the unlimited recording with all codecs. The S5 seems to have been potentially crippled on purpose to make way for a GH6 or to encourage GH5 owners to upgrade to the S1H. If they could fit a full size HDMI port on the GH5, they could have done the same with the S5.
An IBIS system for a full frame sensor is much larger than the one for a m4/3 sensor. I imagine that is why we see a smaller hdmi port. It’s not like Panasonic to put a smaller one on such an otherwise well featured camera unless they had too.
Carl
Unlimited records time is available in 1080p 10 bits as well 8 bit 4k. So in 4k 10bit it not a big deal , better to be save than sorry.
@@enuapame7223 Also the 10-bit 30min limit was implemented in cases of operation at 43 degrees Celsius, so it can be restarted many times under most conditions.
Hi Carl, what VFR options does the S5 have and can you record VFR in 10bit?
Up to 60fps in 4K and 180fps in 1080
All S&Q options are 8 bit though.
Carl
@@ProAVTV can all the youtuber recommend atleast 10bit in 1080p upto 120fps in future firmware updates. That will be fabulous.
Three days before I got my GH5s. More to say...? No need for bigger lenses, same quality, smaller form factor... I'm absolutely satisfied. So why should I turn over to the S5?
If there were more lenses available, and if I were 40 years younger so I could heft all those huge lenses around, if I had lots of money for that pricey glass, if it had phase detect AF, if it had a full size HDMI slot, if I needed the low light performance, and if it had a two USII SD slots and... Well, you get the message. Then I would consider the S5. Still love my GH5. May replace my second G85 as a second camera with the GH5 when the GH6 arrives. I have big hopes for that:)
Doesn't the gh5s have the same low light capability as the S5? Also... the S5 will shoot 4k 30 videos with unlimited time. Will it shoot everything below 4k 30 unlimited, as well? Does the GH5s have better specs regarding video? I thought the GH5s will shoot 4k 60 (and everything below) video, with unlimited time...?
I was thinking about getting a Panasonic gh5s (I will do more video than photography). Should I get an S5 instead?
Or should I wait until the GH6 is released, so I can see if the GH6 has better features/specs for the price?
Any idea when the GH6 will be released, and what the price and specs on it will be?
Does the S5 have better color science?
The record limit is a no no for me.
Plus I love how I can buy cheap vintage lenses and adapt them for mft.
Canon FD glass is so inexpensive and converts easily in MF mode. (The AF is poor anyway, so I mainly shoot MF)
I'm am a Lumix G9 user and would like to know if it would make sense to upgrade to the S5? I feel like the S5 is kind of the G9 just in FF, good for Video and photos. I do both so I need a camera that can do both well.
I’m not as familiar with the G9 as it’s not as commonly used for video. But the stills from the S5 are great. I think the G9 has much faster stills FPS though.
Carl
@@ProAVTV Thanks. That's good to know. I have a second question, with the G9 you can press and hold any button and assign any function to it (I don't know if you can do that with all Lumix cameras). Is that still possible with the S5? Can you test it or do you have a pre production model?
I am a G9 user as well. I love its ability to deliver high-quality photo and video. Even the S5 is tempting, I will stick to my two G9 because I have lovely manual-focus fast lenses for video: two T2.2 Cine Meikes and four 0.95 Noktons that are just wonderful. I don't feel the necessity of upgrading to ff because low-light filming is pretty seldom. In this case I can grab a Fujifilm X-T3 that will do the job. :-)
I would like to upgrade from my G6 and a few lenses. So which one should I choose? The GH5 or the S5?
Only (or hands down best) option for you is GH5 as S5 will require NEW lenses. You will not be able to use any existing lenses you own for G6.
All lenses on G6 GH5 are fully compatible and interchangeable between the two. S5 cannot use third party lenses with a speed-booster, only if the are L-mount or natively compatible. It's quite a downside of S5´s full-frame sensor, actually.
@@glasfactor Thank You so much. Best regards.
Welcome! I have G6 to and I love it. I bumped to GH5 exactly because I could share the lenses between both. Have in mind that GH5 is much bigger and heavier than G6 though too, same goes for S5. They are heavy and bulky, coming from G6 that is really really tiny for the specs it has, just have it in mind - I was kind of surprised how different they are. I love GH5 though for sure and is a leap ahead in terms of what it can do. It has unique features no other camera has that are not talked about. Like 4K cropping to name one.
BTW i see you film “Bienen” (bees) is this the case? I made this summer pretty amazing honey bee gathering Nektar shots in my garden which I have not used which if you need I can forward you the video if you find a better use for - or I misunderstood...😊
Can u tell me gh5 camera ?
Why the AF performance is dependant on what video format you set? This doesn't make sense to me.
I guess this AF system is very reliant on processing power and how much information it has to work with. Hence why the 50p crop mode has the best performance.
Carl
@@ProAVTV oh thanks
I have also heard that the higher frame rates give the camera more information for the AF to read from.
Ok but what about the GH5-S?
Is the GH5S a better buy than the new 5S -- it is certainly cheaper ?
Tempted by the specs of S5 I have been watching every day videos taken with this camera and uploaded to RUclips. And... I haven’t found any example footage which could convince me to upgrade from my G9. In this comparison I also prefer the footage out from the GH5. I really like it much more! The only reason why I would say the S5 is better than G9/Gh5 is a slightly better DR, but again, only if V-Log(L) is applied. But I prefer authentic colors and I see absolutely no benefit in DR if Standard profile (the only profile providing authentic colors) is set. Shallow DOF is great for stills but looks (for my taste) rather odd in videos. I‘d better wait for the GH6!
You know... The contrast autofocus is a huge disappointment, but other than that, this is kind of the perfect camera and lens kit for my uses. I do lots of outdoor videos and the full frame, flip screen, small overall size, and great focal length (20mm is great) on that kit lens all make this a pretty appealing option for me. I'm definitely getting an A7s iii first and foremost, but I've never been super happy with the ergonomics of Sony cameras, so we'll see what happens. I could definitely see myself looking more closely at an S5 if I am still not happy with the usability of the A7s iii.
Absolutely agree, this would be a great camera for you by the sounds of things. The a7sIII is a much more capable camera though remember, that’s why it’s nearly twice the price.
Carl
It will be a great update to finally get FF , specially for the price etc but the main problem wont be autofocus but the line up of Lenses . In gh5 for 1500 € youcan have 3 -4 great lenses (18-35 sigma , 25 0.95 mitanon etc ) but for 1500 € you dont have that for S5 , we dont know wich good lense we might see upcoming , until people start releasing good lenses for it .
Problem is the lack of good lenses at some kind afforable price
Lenses will always be pricer for full frame than for micro four thirds. However with the Sigma MC21 you can use any EF lenses on this. There are some fantastic affordable EF lenses.
Carl
@@ProAVTV Yess im waiting to see if i fully switch to S5 or wait for GH6 (and keep my lenses) i have 35 1.4 art canon (for my 6D mk2 ) and 50 mm 1.4 sigma . But still the lense ive purchased for my gh5 are so good for the price (specially the mitanon 25 0.95 and SLR 8 mm (my best buy 160 €)
I have a GH5 and this looks like a good option for upgrading.
I agree!
I really enjoyed my time with the camera.
Carl
In as much as I agree with some fact here, there other areas where GH5 seems better that was not mentioned like EVF & LCD resolution, lack of dual UHS-2 card slot. also GH5s should be used for the low light compares to S5.
Hmm not sure how I feel about the Leica being called a kit lens. Sure you can buy options with the Leica, but the actual base kit lens is the Vario.
Is it me of the S5/GH5 comparison shot at the beginning is making the GH5 a clear winner in terms of image quality? Anyway, 60K Crop, 30 Limits, Micro HDMI, apparently a worse IBIS than the GH5 or S1H all bundled with an "In the future, we do not know when" RAW upgrade... Will push me to wait for the GH6 and keep on using both my GH5 and GH5s. And to make it worse, why FF? APS-C or Super 35 is the sweet spot for Video.
The S5 with the 20-60 has shallower DOF so there is more blur.
@@catattackcat8754 "blur" as you call it was not really the problem here. Look carefully and you will see
So can I record more than 30min externally in 10bit with the S5? Sorry in advance for asking this twice.
Yes
Yes you can, the HDMI port isn’t time limited at all and is 4K 10bit 4.2.2
Carl
@@ProAVTV Thanks!
How about the IBIS performance between them ?
I didn’t notice too much of a difference from a general first impression, but we didn’t really test it specifically. That would be a good one to do once we get a final sample.
Carl
@@ProAVTV thank you
I owned both Lumix FF S1R and mFT system (Olympus E-M1.2 and PEN F, with mFT lenses which cover from 7mm to 400mm. If one has not invested heavily in lenses for mFT system, S5 might be a better choice over GH5. But for me, I think a GH5 would be a better choice over S5, as I lenses for FF is too heavy, and more expensive.
Great review but Carl you forgot to mention that the Panasonic S5 can record unlimited in 1080HD in 10 bit in all frame rates without a crop. So that means anyone owning a Panasonic S5 can record in 10 bit HD 1080 non stop and upload it in a 4K timeline
...but for a switch. It is not upgrading where you need new lenses and everything. Both are not really compatible. Ton of Money.
Landscape Photography G9, GH5 or S5??
Personally I’d recommend the A7RIII if you can spare some extra change but the S5 sounds good too for landscape use. The slight bump in resolution and the huge bump in DR are worth it
Am I crazy, or did anyone else not really notice much of a difference between the footage of the two cameras? Mainly the depth of field and noise in high iso. Maybe it’s the RUclips compression.
Why most youtuber don't review/show auto focus in 1080p.
Cos Panasonic cameras don't have autofocus in video. I manual focus faster and more accurately with less wobbles than DFD in video.
I dont think S5 is enough for me to switch from my GH5. I still use a speed booster with my Sigma 18-35 lens and it's good enough for me to do low light works. Would be happy if they fix the auto focus, but the S5 is like a full frame GH5 that I don't feel comfortable upgrading for a censor size. I think I'll just wait to see GH6 offers and Sony A7sIII is pretty promising for me to save money for it. I might switch the Panasonic Lumix to Sony Alpha lines. I love Panasonic Lumix, they offering so much for the video but as a solo filmmaker myself, the auto focus really helps my work and I won't have to worry about loosing focus and have to reshoot cause of the focus. S5 is really good but its not enough for me to upgrade.
I'm using g9s for wedding video work and it's only me and my 17yr old daughter. 90% of the shots I get are from my camera. Not having AF has never been an issue for me. I prefer manual focus...even my daughter is good at focusing manually
Jorge Martinez I do manual focus but when I comes to run and gun shoots I dont have time to manually focus
Sony color science compared to Lumix is shit. seriously
@@martysender5539 Tony's survey of 1500 people say otherwise. Old sony colour is bad I agree. But the newer models are all pretty decent. Better than Canon.
With my Canon I'm always dropping saturation by 10 at least in post.
Panasonic's contrast based AF DFD is their Achilles heel.
I don't understand how such a big company who makes such a great camera, fail to listen their costumers (and potential costumers) and don't fix this issue.
People will say "I don't use auto focus".
Well good for you my good sir because I do.
Canon and Sony caught up with the picture profile and log and Panasonic's prominent advantage is not as obvious as it was before and both Sony and Canon have amazing AF systems so why Panasonic won't admit that it's time to move on?
This might be a great upgrade from my G85, I'm not sure how long we'll have to wait for the GH6...
They keep saying that they will keep development of micro 4/3s but to be honest it doesn't get any better than this camera thinking of the low light capabilities and the 5.9k raw output for about $2k this might be the gh6 people has been waiting for
I upgraded from the g7 then g85 and finally the g9. The g9 is amazing IMO.
AVICIIZ All expectations are that the GH6 will drop in last quarter 2020 or first quarter 2021. As there have also been rumors about advances with their new Time of Flight AF, I expect that we will get the GH6 as soon as the new AF is fully cooked. They got so much stick over the GH5 AF at launch I suspect they want to avoid a repeat of that.
@@artistjoh let's hope so ;)
fabian puello Nope Fabian. There is a place for full frame, but there is also a need for a crop sensor camera as well. For video we often need a greater depth of field, plus the smaller file sizes per frame allows more options. This is the practical reason the GH5 was so far ahead of the competition at launch. The engineers could implement new things that were simply not possible with larger sensors without fans and much larger bodies (as with cinema cameras). This is why Panasonic won’t be abandoning MFT any time soon - with MFT they can push the envelope, and then migrate new features to full frame a couple of years later when it becomes possible to do. But even if that wasn’t so, there would be plenty of videographers demanding MFT sensor cameras. Many are like me and shoot both full frame and MFT.
I watched this video now 5 times csnt decide if I want the S5 but I want the S5 so bad now lol
Same haha. What did you go with?
for now 4k 25 4.2.2 with the ninja is dont see any problems. also with the gh5 in low light yes it still has his own problems but i use lights at the moment and get bether results in those situations..... when everything is over to 6k or higher will go over to the next camera. the image quality is good for my for what i am shooting. beside that youtube is heavly still in 1080p and not 4k and the average consumer have 1080p screens instead of 4k..... its coming but for now. ill keep my gh5 and invest in lighting
Just got S5 and had gh5 for years and a bit confused :) The codecs maybe better S5 (4.2.2) but it has a lower bitrate on S5 then GH5. Then 4k 60p its croped so that means you could not use FF and for wide shots you need super wide lens. Lenses are limited on L mount (wide collection of old lenes like m42, but no native affordable prime lenses) I have plenty 1.4 / 1.8 lenses on M43 and size its just more than half from FF L mount lenses. Quality of the image I would not say its a big step up. From GH5 and right lens you could get decent image. Button layout on s5 looks like panasonic G80 entry level comparing to GH5 whit much more extra buttons and better dieals. Dials I prepefer more on GH5. Also the menu on S5 is looks too small for my eye and I got 20/20 vision so prefer on GH5. Slow motion on S5 its on different dial mode S&Q and only records in MP4 WTF??? So whanted to move to FF but now Im so confused.... S1 & S1H not for me too heavy will consider to move to iPhone 13 pro max instead of S5 :)
Waiting for GH6
Aside from sharing the same brand name, it's hard to see the S5 as an "upgrade" to the GH5. While the menus and recording features are similar, everything else about these two camera systems is mutually incompatible. Since MFT lenses obviously cannot be adapted to work on the S5, GH5 users would have to abandon MFT's panoramic world of adapted and speedboosted lenses in favor of the high-priced L-mount niche of the S5 system. For those interested in moving up to a full-frame system, what makes Panasonic more attractive than Sony, Canon, or Nikon's FF mirrorless line-ups?
BTW, thanks for your review. Clear, concise and on point, as always. No need to watch the Panasonic livestream, I wait always for your straight opinion ;)
Thanks very much! Glad the video helped
Carl
I am only interested to know its IQ comparison vs A7Siii. Thank you!
Really, the fair comparison would be a7s III vs S1H. But all the youtube reviewers are so focused on pretending Sony's only competition is the Canon R5.
@@nickharris5231 I have zero interest to know any IQ comparison on the R5, simply because it is not up to standard. Well, for other things such as AF and features set, then ok, R5 is quite impressive. As for S1H vs S5, I think their IQ is very similar from footages i saw so far. Well, bit rate etc. only makes a difference when doing in depth editing/coloring. I am more interested in the "general IQ look"....yes, the look, how it captures colors and lights (DR performance). These are the same at any bit rate, even at the lowest bitrate.
@@kp66udv IQ is similar, but the S1H has a lot more codecs and options. It's $500 more than the A7s III so Im interested in seeing long term usefulness of the complete feature sets between those two cameras... by someone that isn't obsessed with autofocus. It's a useful tool, but there are lots of us out there that have other features we'd trade it for and just manual focus like we have been since cameras were invented. The main attraction for me is the A7s III having 10 bit 4:2:2 at 4K 120p. That's pretty revolutionary for a small mirrrorless system. But I also love the practical, video focused layout and operation of Panasonic's cameras. In all likeliness, I'll probably hold onto my S1 until the next gen S1H releases and consider updating or trading out for Sony at that point.
@@nickharris5231 As IQ has quite a few perspectives that represented it, the one that most essential to me is "natural look" , which are color and light distribution (inclusive of highlight rolloff and shadows dynamic and clarity). Sony has been weak on the highlight rolloff department. Luckily, Sony has been improving its color department generation after generation, now has come to a much improved results. So far, I see S1H/S5 has better IQ than A7Siii on "natural look" department. You are right, 4K120p 422 on A7Siii is an amazing feature. In fact, A7Siii performs very well in almost all recording modes, that is a great achievement. AF, it's sad that Panasonic still insist to use only contrast based AF, wondering why so stubborn.
@@kp66udv honestly regarding AF... My guess is that because Sony is supplying sensors to Panasonic, they likely charge a premium for their phase detect patent. If Sony didn't have a hold on the best autofocus in the business, how much market share would they lose to Panasonic?
I shoot handheld 95% of the time so I can’t upgrade to the S5 even though I would like to. The S5 ibis is noticeably inferior to GH5 and S1(H)
Yep, saw that too, I was stunned to see how underperforming the IBIS on the S5 was.
@@GayBoucheryGonzague It can't be that surprising considering the extra size and weight of the sensor being in an even smaller body?
You keep talking about the lowlight performance of the GH5, but don't once mention the GH5s...?
Right!
They are in the business of selling cameras and lenses to go with...
Why would I switch from a GH5 to a camera that is not clearly better for video...? Also: if I decide to switch systems I will never choose a Panasonic full frame camera when there are plenty of other full frame cameras in the market far better than Panasonic.
That's the low light test I needed to see. Damn, there's no way in hell I can go with the GH5 since I mainly shoot weddings.
We use GH5 for weddings since years, even in low light conditions... With the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 there was never a need to go beyond ISO800 using the Viltrox Speedbooster...
@@mediacousticsmultimedia7359 I understand what you mean - I also don’t want to resort to a wide angle with a speed booster to hope to achieve results that I can achieve with a more expensive body and cheaper glass.
@@mediacousticsmultimedia7359 I know it can be done and it's possible...I would just rather spend a tiny bit more money and get incredibly improved results is all
As far as available lenses go, it is a major down grade.
Both both are great in their price range.
Only the autofocus terrible performance, keeps it from being basically perfect for almost everyone.
I will stay away from Panasonic because of that DFD. Sony Stomps it on AF. I have had great luck with Canon too. Why do I even bother commenting on this then. I love the interface and touch screen of the Panasonic. Nice sounding preamplifiers and nice 4K UHD video. I had a G7 and ran manual focus all the time because the DFD was mental. So Panasonic embrace PDAF and I am back for good, till then, Sony and Canon are my go too cameras.
And vlog should have a better dynamic range than vlog-l
I purchased the S5! It is so much better!!!!
I wish you had shot some faces, instead of just items.
Accessible mft lenses
Nice review as always, but as a GH5 filmmaker, I wouldn't upgrade based on the reasons given here. I never use autofocus for one thing, and I keep ISO as low as possible even if it's better on some cameras like the S5. Definitely not worth it for me to buy all new lens or depend on adapters for each lens either. I'd look at a GH6 though...
What lenses do you use on your GH5 out of interest?
Carl
@@ProAVTV I'm a low-to-no-budget filmmaker, so mostly low cost primes like Samyang 12mm/2, Sigma 16mm/1.4, Lumix 20mm/1.7 and 25mm/1.7, and Olympus 45mm/1.8
Same here, I'm sticking with the GH5. I might at some point upgrade to a Blackmagic Design camera. I use all EF glass with a focal reducer.
Same here. I use Olympus Pro prime lenses 17,25 & 45 f1.2. They almost make up for the cameras low light shortcomings and are much easier to use than full frame glass.
I will upgrade to a GH6 is they get just 3 things right... GH5S sensor with IBIS, 10bit 4K 60 internal, full V-Log.
Until they bring out a new autofocus system it isn’t worth upgrading a G5 or G9 in my view.
I'll take a Sony a7S III instead, please. It has better low-light performance and more reliable autofocus. I know the prices are wildly different, and the S5 offers more resolution for photography, but the a7S III is such a killer package for video.
In reality, I will probably just end up getting a used a7 III when the price comes down more. It's "good enough" for me.
Hell for less than the price difference between the two cameras you could get the sigma 18-35 and a viltrox version 2. And you neglect to say in the video that such a combo produces shallower dof than FF is capable of with any standard zoom. A 13-25mm f1.3 zoom. Slightly shallower dof than an f2.8 zoom. In fact that lens functions with the .64x metabones speedbooster so you could even go a bit wider to 11.5-22.4mm f1.15 (let's call that an f1.2) for a higher price point. So the GH5 plus a sigma 18-35 and viltrox that gives shallow dof than the s5 can get with any standard zoom, even if you shell out for the expensive f2.8 FF zooms, would give better lowlight performance than the s5 is capable of, still costs less than the s5 with it's kit lens. And if you wanted to get CLOSE to what the GH5 and sigma can do (just close, since the s5 could never match it) you would need to shell out 2000 dollars extra for the S lineup's f2.8 zoom bringing your s5 price up to about 4000 dollars for inferior results to the gh5.
How on earth did you develop such a ridiculous opinion?
OH and the sigma 18-35mm is lighter, even with the speedbooster attached, than the f2.8 zooms for FF.