Overwatch 2 Director Apologizes For Cancellation Of PVE Hero Mode & It Goes Down Poorly...
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Blizzard needs to stop trying to push the narrative that they're changing directions for PVE when they're plain and simply cutting content and features.
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Gotta love those soulless PR statements...
At this point these things are pretty much just piling up like garbage at a dump.
Yknow what this reminds me of? That other game that was overshadowed by Overwatch's initial launch, that thing that Overwatch 2 was trying to market as a feature. Let's face it- people were led to believe that Overwatch 2 was basically going to have a Battleborn-styled campaign. Maybe it's time for a Battleborn revival.
Aaron literally did say in that blog post what they cancelled and what they didn't. I don't even want an apology from Aaron, he inherited a mess that wasn't even his fault. I want an apology from higher ups that actually made these decisions and drained resources after Diablo Immortal's success.
Agreed
Please cover the war thunder steam bombing. It really needs attention from big name CCs
I love the way all Blizzard apologies really boil down to accusations of audience wrongdoing.
Other part of it is that they “promise” to do better when they dont
They're right, the audience keeps enabling them by buying and playing their games. Consumer negligence and ignorance is a corrupt corporation's favorite thing
"It's not me, it's you"
man between this and the warthunder dev statement shit is popping off and really retarded
I mean the antagonism towards their fans is obvious even in their announcements. Remember "Do you guys not have phones?" Blizzard sees fans as just fleshy bags of money for them to squeeze, and hates when those bags don't thank them for the squeezing.
Hope the community can actually band together and just do a mass uninstall
BIG HELLA FACTS!!!!! 💯👊
Ha!! The day that happens I'll eat my left shoe
It's kind of depressing that they won't but I guess we're at a point of no return now, so there's no helping it
@@odinwhoknowstoomuch8589 very true
Don’t watch any of the creators either, make sure the game gets nothing
Blizzard doesn't make apologies. They make PR statements. An apology would imply they care.
@@iqbaalannaafi4944 not to mention they r sexual predators
@@Nytrusdeathcydewhat’s they gotta do with the removal of pve?
literally every company working in entertainment and technology does that. Can't say that I'm surprised.
"YOU didn't buy enough loot boxes yesterday so we're canceling the project cause YOU'RE poor" is what i got from that apology.
They dont even have loot boxes? Where you been?
@@martinkarleskind8697
You missed the point of the comment.
@@iqbaalannaafi4944 This isn't a Ubisoft game my guy.
@@Hawkeye83627 hes a little confused but hes got the spirit
@@iqbaalannaafi4944 ubisoft?
I’m starting to believe this is the real reason why overwatch was free to play. If people had paid money for this game with the promise of a campaign and then they pulled out the last second, they would have the fattest false advertising lawsuit in gaming history
But the boxed buy to play game market is smaller than the free to play game market. Pluss loot box controversy. This was actually a monetization change with $20 skins to make up for no boxes. It was also, a misdirection from Hong Kong, booba malk thieves, and other minor things.
It's a conspiracy and I believe it to be true!
I mean some people DID spend money on certain editions apparently, so I'm fully expecting lawsuits
Say hello! Fortnite
@@luisarturobartlettcuevas3941 😂 ummm no.. just no.
It's been incredible watching a beloved company destroy it's entire reputation in less than a decade
watching a *dozen beloved companies destroy their entire reputations
Hopefully when they finally sell out, the franchises go to companies that actually care about making good games.
@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 not under Microsofts wings, thats for sure
I'm curious if the consumers will reward them for this by continuing to buy their stuff if if they'll actually sober up and not buy future releases. At least until the game has been out a while and they can see good honest reviews and gameplay. The fact this was the main selling point of OW2 and it didn't ship with this should've been the red flag lol
@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 Highly doubt that. Greed is rampant nowadays. Nobody is safe.
Don't forget that overwatch 2 was supposedly only needed BECAUSE of the PvE part ... and we know that's a lie - they just wanted to reset the monetization. Screw this company. They're not who they used to be, and they haven't been for a VERY long time.i hope someone sues them for false advertising.
Now?! NOW?! Hahaha good one
Deserved
Why would they get sued for false advertising?
It's a free game, so there was no fraud there. Blaming for intent, I don't think, would work either.
Products / cosmetics on their game are basically "licenses" users have... users don't actually own the items they possess in their virtual inventories.
@RedTrooper DoesGaming / RTDG I'm sure someone somewhere can argue that they only purchased the cosmetics due to the initially promised gameplay mode ... I'm sure there's something there lol
Hahahahaha, now you realized?!? Lol, Blizzard earned more money via Chinese Diablo Immortal, ahahahaha 🤣🤣😂🤣😂
I laughed as soon as it said “put the game and community first” because that is the biggest lie I’ve heard from them yet
It's crazy that a company as big as Blizzard can't even finish a game anymore.
and the otherside is activision. they're also doing the exact same thing. WTF is going on with gaming
Not to me when you realize that the lion's share of the profits are going to the peak of the company to purchase golden fountains for their backyards and luxury cruise ships... not going on vacations mind you, LITERALLY buying ships.
@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 pillage the rich, yarr!
On a serious note - really sad how blizzard ended up like this.
Small indie company
There's not a reason to. They know the can Squeeze people dry with very little effort
It blows my mind that people are still choosing to support this company at all.
They like taking it u--- nah I better stop...
The moment news broke i unsinstalled Overwatch and going forward I refuse to buy anything Act/Blizz.
Its really a shame because they had great games before they turned to shit like Crash Bandicoot. But now if I want to play Crash I have to support a scam company.
Still, I'm never buyinf anything published by Act/Blizz again unless the Microsoft deal goes through ans leadership changes.
Same thoughts to be honest, But what can we expect from the general consumerism?
@@Kirivera if blizzard made a big poop and told their brainwashed and brain dead canine loyal fans to eat it and bathe in it they would do it in a damn heartbeat
For real. They suck so many other games worth playing
We were promised a big, juicy burger, but we're getting served a grilled bun with ketchup. That's all. And Blizzard keep saying "But you're not going hungry, you paid for a burger and we're giving you food, don't worry"
Not even a grilled bun. Just one bun and water with red food coloring.
I'm waiting for someone to file a class lawsuit for false advertisement pretenses.
I just want to see Blizzard burn. We gave them more chances than anyone deserve but they just kept failing harder and harder. The time for forgiving and understanding has long passed.
People really crying for a free game Lmao 💀
@@kerlowsc3397 who said free game? How about the game that was actually promised. What ActivisionBlizzard did is fraudulent there's no two ways about it.
@@kerlowsc3397 not free, people paid for ow1 and got all the skins, which were free removed and put them behind a paywall, so no, its not free.
@@kerlowsc3397 I paid for Overwatch 1 and people spend money on Ow2 expecting what was promised.
@@kerlowsc3397 Obvious troll
Blizzard apologies in recent years: “we’re sorry that YOU’RE disappointed that we can’t fulfill our promises
"Sorry you took it the wrong way, I guess."
The people working at Blizzard now are not capable of making things happen.
More like we sorry that, you caugh on our bullshit and we will try to spew even more bullshit in the future.
“We both said a lot of things you’re going to regret.”
@@Circuitssmith "Like when you said 'trust us' and we said 'absolutely!'?"
Blizzard: Hey kid, for your birthday we are gonna make you an amazingly delicious cake for your birthday.
Fans: REALLY? That's amazing, thanks
*Day of Birthday*
Blizzard: So we made the decision to not make the cake because it was difficult for us, and we did it on your behalf because we appreciate you
Fans: But... You promised for my birthday
Blizzard: That's your fault for being excited for it.
Forgot the part where they confiscated your birthday cards and put out new ones for you, they're the same cards but they added extra gloss and the contents can be bought for a minor premium.
It's one thing if it was just an empty promise. Blizzard takes your current cake away while promising you a better cake for your birthday, and reneges.
@@tlst9999 That is literally illegal. Talk to a Lawyer and sue them for it. It would mean you have to refund your game and never play it again. So I know you won't, and continue to support them breaking the law.
The cake is a lie
@@satzbau9185 I see what you did there.😉
What concerns me the most, is that if they really wanted to make PvE, they could've taken the PvP approach of releasing it early, with all the characters that have a talent tree ready, all the missions that were ready and work on the rest over time. They spent so much time creating tools and reworking the engine to allow the team to work on this content. I think the real reason they are canceling is because, of course, leadership outside of the overqatch team said "gimmi money", and made the team work on the shop and skins rather than real meaningful content.
If they were smart they would have made the PvE character a custom character you play as and have you team up with the cast. Would have saved them so much more time as they wouldn't need to make talent/skill trees for every character. Just you, the player.
@@richardshiflett5181 The irony is that I always said their biggest problem was locking themselves into the tank, healer, dps system. If they were going to make this custom character in PvE, they'd need to do at least 3 of them, one dps, one healer and one tank. Because they built all around it.
They could just release the PvE early and the stupid talent tree later even... No, just axe the entire section to scraps...
Freaking hell... First, heroes of the storm, now this
OW2 is a cautionary tale of what happens when "making money" is valued over making a fun game.
Shame on Blizzard for not standing up to the suits on this one.
NO. BLizzard has been doing this for years. Dont whine now, Special Snowflake when its your turn in the gas chambers
You make money by making better games.
Diablo Immortal is able to make stupid amounts of money because they are burning the goodwill created by past good Diablo games.
Now, Overwatch will never reach the point where they can pull an Immortal.
People still buying D4 like crazy, I don't see any goodwill tarnished here
20 years ago, imagine being told Blizzard will go down one of the most infamous downward spirals in gaming history.
The bigger they are, the harder they fall
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain...."
The same can be said of many other big name studios like Rockstar and Bioware.
@@belyayevsfox4753 not rockstar
I'd believe it if I was told they were acquired by Activision🤣
"we're sorry you feel this way"
Like that "We're Sorry" meme by President of BP in South Park episode.
What's really disgusting is how management keeps using their devs as a shield against criticism and consumer rights.
Yet nobody is doing something about it 😉 that's why that corporate filth keeps doing shit like this. Just quit buying their games and especially stop buying microtransactions, gang up on whales with the entire server to ruin their fun and make sure these corporate sharks and the investors feel the hurt in the only thing they care about: their profit margins.
Never expect a big company to truly apologize... it just opens themselves up to law suit. Plenty of companies should apologize, but never truly will for that reason. (EA, blizzard ectc.) Unless they're on the verge of collapse or losing millions...
Losing millions is not a big deal for these behemoths
Why would they get sued?
It's a free game, so there was no fraud there.
Products / cosmetics on their game are basically "licenses" users have... they don't actually own them.
Doesn't matter, even when you give something away for free, same reason most grocery stores won't give they're waste away to shelters and what not, too much potential liability.
And when a company apologizes, its an admission that mistakes were made, which all it takes to open the door to litigation many times. A judge is likely to ask, if you didn't do anything wrong, what did you apologize for?
Nintendo and Metroid Prime 4
@@RedTrooperDoesGaming this is like the eighth time I've seen this and I just want you to know like the other seven that it's entirely incorrect and if I may ask, where are you guys getting this incorrect information from?
Any apology from Activision/Blizzard is both insincere and essentially boils down to victim-blaming. They don't care. They'll make half-hearted attempts to feign caring for the purposes of damage control and public relations, but they really, really don't care. They view their customers as pinatas they beat with a stick until the money falls out.
There is no Activison, only Bobby Kotickk. Remember HE is the one who created the Bill Cosby room yet for some reason Bobby Kotick, head abuser of Activision Blizzard, was the one who went unpunished. Blizzard apologies are the equivalent of the South Park BP oil spill apology "We're sorry" (rubs nipples intensely) But hey, how else are they gonna pay Bobby Kotick the 250 MILLION dollars his contract entitles him to when he finally decides to leave the company no matter how much money he loses it in the name of filling his own pockets, right? Just change Mcree's name to that of a pornstar and pretend like Bobby Kotick didn't cause that problem, right?
Crazy how it’s 3 games from them in 1 year, COD OW and maybe Diablo 4… Xdefiant has literally no competition lol Elden ring dlc might get it GOTY 2nd year in a row if all these games keep being shite.
people throw still money at them, play their games, even that cheap imitation of overwatch instead of staying away from it and showing how nuch they meased up
Acti-Blizz will never be better as long as the suits in charge remain their penny-pinching selves while ignorant gamers continue to pour money into their coffers.
@@codym5352 beat me to it. I was gonna say it's hardly surprising that a company with such a bad abuse history as to have a room named the "Cosby Room" is probably all about victim blaming.
Worst part is no matter how bad it goes, they wont stop. Too many blind followers of the game to make a big enough difference
That's why they went F2P. Angry fans will be replaced by free players.
Stockholm syndrome
Believe it or not, some people enjoy the pvp
100% agree, too many people will still play it, they're not worried..
The more you perpetuate this, the less change you're able to make. The reality is that it only takes one person, every time. Each time ONE person makes a decision that enough is enough, that's closer to our goals.
In some Diablo IV promo video the other day, someone said "With Diablo IV you're watching a tragedy unfold"... That is true for every single thing Blizzard have been doing in the last several years.
Blizzard then: gaming is our life
Blizzard now: even if it’s a good game, we aren’t going to develop it if it doesn’t make us money
That's why you don't get buyed by Actifailision
I want Microsoft to pull out of the Activision blizzard deal
I can't express this enough. People need to point out what was lost from the change from OW1 to OW2, and what we got. We essentially got a big patch, and in return, we lost our free skins via lootboxes, and a ton more monetization, including locking heroes behind a season pass.
Not just the tangible things that we "lost" -- remember, they effectively stopped adding heroes and maps to OW because the resources were supposedly going to OW2. That's years worth of content that never showed up.
Also we lost a gamemode for an equally bad new gamemode BUT the new mode only has 2 maps while the old one had a handful. So that was a net loss also lmao
@@d.n4203 it’s actually baffling they worked on this game for so long only for the game to have less content then ow1
i paid for OW1, cant say i *liked* it but i had a good time, OW2 is just the same thing but shit
@@XxGamer42069xX if you did a OW2 - OW1 reutilized content it really is kinda baffling💀💀💀
There is no Blizzard, only Activision.
It’s a “ There is No Dana, There is Only Zuul” situation
Correction, only Bobby Cottick
@@FoxHoundUnit90 "What a lovely singing voice you must have"
Try that again with a bit more zazz:
"tHeRE IS nO bLiZZaRD, oNLy *AcTIViSiOn!!!"*
I think Activision’s corporate soullessness would make even Zuul blush.
Blizzards apology: "It's too much work!"
Blizzards actual apology: "It doesn't make enough buck for the bang!"
It's just bad, it ONLY the devs have passion for a game, but not the suits.
i’m sick of blizzard failing to meet expectations while raising prices. their apologies never feel truthful, i want the people who made this decision to release a genuine apology, acknowledging their failings, beating themselves up. it shouldn’t be the communities job to point out these things
HAVE MERCY 😂
Would a genuine appology make stealing people's money on lies ok? I don't think so.
@@GetterRay no it wouldn’t but it’d at least be slightly better than ‘making a game is too hard for our multi billion dollar company :(‘
Now explain to me: why would anything they say be genuine? Those corporate sharks aren't sorry at all because this is exactly what they were intending to do! They merely released this so called new game to reset everyones microtransactions purchases and make people respend on the same old shit, it is the same bullshit EA pulls with the FIFA lootbox mode. Why do people STILL not see what these corporate dirtbags are really doing???
I love that basically *every time* that Blizzard has released an "apology" , its just a series of thinly veiled accusations towards their own audience and/or promises to do better.
Its like trying to reason with a pathological liar at this point.
@Ethreix sure, but it would be incorrect to ignore a company's culture and how that helps shape how said company behaves.
There are *plenty* of companies out there that don't outright *cheat* their customers or try to milk them for every penny at whatever the reputational cost.
This pattern if behaviour comes from *really greedy people* enforcing scummy practices so that even when they leave the practices stay.
Why they just say cancel overwatch2 and revert back to overwatch 1 since totally no different between 1 and 2
@@filipvadas7602 I'd bet every penny that the companies you're talking about aren't anywhere near successful as Acti-Blizz and that's why they, unlike acti-blizz, can't tell their consumers to go fk themselves and that everything is their fault and still make billions a year.
Or a gaslighter...
@ethreix800 Indeed. Corporations are inhuman entities designed to seek profit at all costs--but somehow, people still keep clapping their hands to their cheeks in horror when they seek profits at all costs.
This along with "tough esports moment" shows how poorly Activision Blizzard handles bad publicity.
If they can still sell CoD they can literally package turds and someone would buy them and enjoy their smell.
I mean, don't you guys have phones??
@@MrRuano825god I still like this joke 🤣
“You think you do but you don’t.”
@@MrRuano825 And yet apparently Diablo Immortal is a huge success, despite all of its flaws and scams
I feel for the people who have put so much of their time into the game, let alone the money they have spent. This is an unforgivable act…
I have a friend who foolishly kept playing. After the announcement he quit overwatch.
I'm just pissed that I spent 40 bucks on OW1 and I can't play that anymore.
@Wouter de vries that really sucks. I forgot that was a thing
i'm shocked no one seen it cumming lol rip blizz 2008
"Unforgivable "
Lol, the average blizzard fan is perpetually stuck at the mentality of a 5yr old
If they didn't stop supporting blizzard after a worker hanged herself for being molested one too many times, they are not gonna stop now
Not only is it poorly done, it's VERY clear it's not actually the director "apologising", he's reading out the script Bobby gave him.
I expected nothing and I was still disappointed.
Same lol
Lol
Facts
My expectations went straight into the shitter after Jeff Kaplan left
I expected precisely this, and I'm amazed. :-) Don't forget, Blizzard DID this dance before. Overwatch came from the bones of Project Titan; a failed MMO that was supposed to succeed World of Warcraft, which I now firmly believe was meant to sunset around 2016 to clear the deck for whatever Project Titan would become. But when that game fizzled, Blizzard just took the assets and slapped them into a first person shooter game format(that again, isn't even original).
Ever since, they've been treading water, trying to decide how to deal with the WoW problem they made. They can't kill WoW, cause it makes so much money...but it also COSTS so much money to keep developing art, content and technical upgrades for. But, they don't have anything that could REPLACE WoW at the same level, so they keep trying to dole out expansions to keep the merry-go-round spinning for another few years.
This isn't anything new. When I worked for a certain bank in one of their check=processing departments, they still had a check sorting machine that was so old, it had no computerized controls. EVERYTHING was run off dials and buttons and switches. It was housed in a big clear case, because whenever there was a jam or something got stuck in one of the belts, you had to go in with tools to manually dislodge the paper, reset the belt, and get the machine running again. The only reason it was still there? "Cause it was cheaper to operate that machine at a fraction of what it would cost to get a state-of-the-art sorting system put into place." For 11 years while I worked there, that machine ran day and night. Meanwhile, we didn't get computerized check sorting stations until early 2015....
This needs to be the final lesson learned by consumers. These companies are not our friends and only want our money. Stop putting trust in whatever they say, because it WILL change.
If that were true then everything would be fine by now since Diablo Immortal’s announcement in Blizzcon of that year. They’re idiots.
Tell that to thousands of people that STILL giving them money for skins and other shit
Say that to whales.
There are helpless people that no matter what lesson, they won't learn. I saw that with many games, nothing changed for the last 10 years. Some people just doesn't fookin care or they are whales with too much money.
tbh, i dont even know why so many ppl still play AAA company games. indie games are far better these days and not filled with political bs
Looking back on this ive got a disgusting feeling in my stomach that from the start they never planned on PvE. Looking at how they treated the PvE as a scapegoat to not work on their game for years! And the final cashgrab of overwatch 2 and one final promise of pve before they know that the audience will forsake them after this. So absolutely vile
I want to be wrong, but I feel the 'Story Missions' will just end up being the new Map with slight tweaks and a couple of cut scenes, just like the Story missions in Overwatch 1. Reason I think this, is the video showing the Rio mission clearly have ability's (Tracer putting down a turret for example) that would have been in the Hero Skill tree. With that scrapped, all you have are hero's with their PvP abilities.
Cutscenes might be too generous for these penny pinching fuckwads. At this point the chances are you'll get a VO telling you whats going down over a few still-shots and they'll spin that as an 'upgrade.'
It genuinely made me laugh yesterday when I saw someone say they were still gonna go to Blizzcon. Our OW community doesn't learn.
Need some more "Don't you have phones?" And "Is this a late out of season April Fools joke" moments, and they ain't gonna make themselves
Gotta go see a stand up show at some point, right?
It takes a minute for the pain to reach their brains... sometimes it takes years.
@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 I genuinely believe that some of you may just be participating in this rage culture, but reasons there are alright
@@AsteroSloth Warcraft 3: Refunded was the final nail in the coffin for me. I'm not mad. I was mad long ago. Now I'm just here to laugh at Blizzard's constant string of failures.
This, sadly, isn’t the worst thing. The worst thing, is knowing that a lot of us, are upset, and rightly so, but that a number of us, upset or not, are immediately going to rush out and throw money at this company when something like Diablo four comes out. The level of hypocrisy is downright enormous. Of course, they’re not going to “learn anything” because those people keep throwing money at them!
Diablo 4 is looking like a steaming port o potty at a midwest state fair in the hot month of July at just around 4pm in the afternoon. Asmongold has been playing it a bit with the beta and watching every class get nerfed into the dirt to the point that it's a grind fest, and they already announced a shop and a battlepass and it's not even out yet. They're basically letting the "shareholders" who are just stuffy old farts in suits who don't play video games dictate every single game design choice, they're not making games anymore.
Yep. Just waiting to watch Blizzard rake in even more cash off of nostalgia-blinded fans when D4 drops, even though it looks like cold ass.
I have Diablo II, I have Grim Dawn, I have Borderlands 2, I have Torchlight, heck I could even throw The Division 2 into the mix.
Why do I even need Diablo IV? Easy for me to ignore that game.
I'll throw money at them every time they make a good and fun game.
At least Diablo 4 is a standalone game. I think it’s more important that we don’t support their live-service games.
Thanks for such good compilation of PvE footage.
It's painful to see what could have been.
The problem is... there is no plan to have PvE in the first place, they're saying that they "scrap" it, but its not the case, essentially they lied from the start.
"DoN't U GuYz LiKe MuLtiPlAyER?" Never giving this company another dollar of my money has been both the easiest and one of the most rewarding promises I've ever made of myself.
Honestly, same. It feels good to put my wallet where my mouth is... indie games are on the rise because of triple a shitting itself.
Good thing you don't have to, to play
@@mycelia_owKiriko pfp lmao
I am never giving them any money ever since 2018. They ruined Warcraft 3 and made it into overpriced abomination while taking away the original version...(and dubbing for non english versions)
I just straight up abandoned ship with Overwatch entirely, game and fandom. I spent $70 on Tears of the Kingdom. $70 that Nintendo will get, instead of like, 80% of that lining Bobby‘s pockets.
I always found it weird that in overwatch we are fighting heros and not the robots. Which robots are portrayed as the villains of overwatch yet I’m fighting a copy of myself.
It's 2023, discrimination isn't allowed anymore.
@@revolverswitch What?
I mean it does go back to the early days of playing Halo or CoD. Everyone had the same character model killing each other. Halo 3 multiplayer for example was literally just a team of Masterchiefs fighting another team of Masterchiefs lol (unless there was an elite player)
Yes and no, the omnics aren't evil lol, but that's just the complicated plot of OW. Some think they're evil, and some heroes actually are evil. Regardless the game's story deserved to be told in PvE fashion, even entertainment media like a show or something.
@@preenisgreen apes, hamsters, robots, Australians, if any of those things were on the enemy team, you would kill them equally right?
It's so crazy to think it was 4 years ago that we watched XQC play the PVE demo and now it's 2023 and nothing.
I was a hard Overwatch 1 beta player, which was PvE focused. Somewhere after release, PvE got buried in some sort of training menu, so few people knew about it let alone played it. My first re-install became a near-immediate uninstall when I saw what they did.
Overwatch 2 looks exactly the same as 1. They're not even trying to present it differently.
The PvE features they scrapped really aren't hard at all to implement. They must have downsized their development staff and the new people are struggling to release anything at all.
It's sad that Blizzard doesn't know how to make games purely from an interface viewpoint. I've seen this elsewhere, most notably Heroes of the Storm. Basic successes become weak because of simple opening / game mode selection weaknesses.
Also, if you've read the stakeholder reports, their basic goal statements reveal they really don't want to understand or cater to their players; it's odd.
This whole PvE promise that was canceled just sums up the current era of gaming we now live in…
Yup, it sucks. No fun, lack of depth and no future to expand.
This is why I refuse to play multiplayer games anymore (besides Smash, Mario Party, and Mario Kart). Single player games will always reign supreme
Oh no. It isn't like this has been happening in gaming for well over 40 years. Stop crying about it.
@@darkstalkerknight63 Dumbest take in this thread
And then game devs that work on all these shit games and broken promises get angry when a game like Elden Ring, that respects its players, does very well.
Actions speak louder than words
Blizzard apologizes A LOT.
Saying sorry is easier than actually doing something about it.
@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71bcoz some people are still buying whatever words that came out from corporation's mouths. Which is sad..
Still not apologizing enough 😂
And changes nothing.
They apologize now more than your average Canadian.
There is only one thing that can justify the 2 in Overwatch 2. That players will have to pay for heroes for an OLD, FULL PRICE game that they already payed for and that new players will have to pay for ALL the heroes. That is the change Blizzard wanted, another avenue for $$$$$
They didn't even have to go as far as "100s of hero missions" because honestly Starcraft II's co-op doesn't have that many missions but it's quite enjoyable and if you spent 2 years worth of development surely you could have produced like "Season 1 Co-op" or something. They didn't even have to release it all at once or deliver 100% on that promise just DELIVER.
“As a multi billion dollar company we’re very sorry we can’t deliver on expectations WE SET”
Well if they make a billion dollars
and bobby's paycheck is a billion and one dollars...
My favourite part was when Ramattra said "Suffer as I have" and destroyed the PvE
I read it in his voice😂
@@anti-roxas850 .. me too.. LOL
So here is an idea that they could have tried. Start the PVE part with just a few characters i.e. the ones from the cinematic trailer. Tracer, Winston, Mei, Reinhardt, Echo, Mercy, Genji, and Brigitte. Have that going while having another team focus on another part of the story and characters.
This is exactly why I don’t care or get excited about anything anymore until it’s fully been released. Shame on Blizzard for lying to their fans and trying to hide their failures.
Blizzard disappointing its community is about the only thing i have confidence in them doing
Bait and Switch ….. the ultimate company superpower .
Predictable knew this was gonna happen when all those allegations came out. Should have had talent to replace the people that were booted
You can't be surprised by this. Blizzard is a company in decline. Many years ago I used to love their games and eagerly await the next Blizzard game, because they were always top quality and fun games. Now I couldn't give a shit about anything they do.
I’m confused how a giant corporation with so many game devs at their disposal can’t put together a PVE game mode. Like small teams and even solo devs have achieved greater things.
Multiple seniors left, a lot of junior devs got in, and also it isn't profitable in the short term.
@@vane909090 basically this - which really sucks, because they are literally saying “we don’t care if it’s a good game if it doesn’t make us money”
Blizzard don’t care if Overwatch is a good game. They only care about making money from battle passes.
Most of its talent left for obvious reasons.
Let me give you this simple truth about game development: What is Fun for players is expensive for the development, so if you see blizzard cutting features that are fun for the players it just goes to show how much more they put greed over passion.
Any apology they had was meaningless, they basically cancelled the one thing that would have justified making this a sequel instead of rework of the first game. Activision-Blizzard is one of the biggest falls of a game studio I've seen.
They gutted the PvE before the update they called "Overwatch 2" even went live
They fell a long time ago 😔
I don't care
@@JayCross454 yeah, and yet they somehow keep finding more ways to go down.
@@Caffeinated-DaVinci oh you assumed it was a question or I was answering a question.
No it was about how none of ui seen this coming after well over 40 years of gaming showing this.
What will also suck with this is, that those story missions will be most likely limited to the current season and not available 24/7.
At this point Blizzard should be sued and forced to disclose certain information so we can know if the execs butchered this for the sake of money and slam them for it with false advertising.
My problem is that they keep telling us to be excited about things without giving us anything actually exciting.
The thing that I don't get is how this was such a challenging delivery. Talent trees? Character progression? *Those* are the sticking points? These have been features of games for decades. And even if they were incredibly challenging to implement... Blizzard is (was?) a premier studio, with top talent and top budget. If anyone should be able to crack this nut, it would be Blizzard.
I'm pretty sure it being "challenging" is just code word for "diverting resources towards more time/profit beneficial tasks", such as monetizing content or moving devs to other projects. An excuse to grab sympathy from their playerbase, especially partnered up with "leakers" pushing blame on the execs & the whole "developers are taking this hard" perspective.
The WoW team literally just created 3 talent trees for all of 12 of their classes, and 2 for one of them. They also have plenty of experience with character progression. The Diablo team also knows how to do these things. No one could have made a phone call to someone on the those teams to get some tips? Yeah, the Overwatch management needs to be fired.
It’s really odd to me that Blizzard, a very large and successful company, failed at being able to make a game that would’ve essentially been easier to create then any of the Borderlands games. So strange to me, In fact, that I’m actually thinking the real reason was that the CEO’s had instead found out that “sugar” prices had increased, and they said fuck the PVE, we want that powder, let’s just focus on charging micro transactions instead.
Instead of breaking it down into seasonal content and a manageable scope, it seems like they wanted every hero to be playable from the start. Each with their own unique talents and skill trees. Also, while the team has allegedly grown in size, it has mostly been through new talent, while veteran developers have either left ActiBlizzard or are working on other projects.
Battleborn came out alongside OW1 and had everything OW2 was promised to have.....and it was hard baked into the game. The Helix Band was the Gimmick of the game, letting you customize your character however you want both in PVE and PVP.
It was a fun polished game....and overwatch won because of "Blizzard Polish"
Blizzard... I have several questions to ask you constantly, but I'll stick to one in particular: HOW THE HELL DO YOU KEEP MAKING THESE GODDAMN FAKE APOLOGIES?! Then again, I guess they took their lessons from the BP Apology Message Committee.
I'm someone who has never played a second of this or the first game. I want nothing to do with an online only shooter, yet I love playing hero based shooters (the missus and I have played through borderlands 3 like 10 times, and that's despite the atrocious story/writing, and probably 20 runs of Borderlands 1).
So this was the one thing about this series that caught my interest. I was thinking the missus and I might really enjoy this game, looks fun as hell, and the single player coop campaign was going to be our introduction. But that's now as dead as the plans for this pve campaign.
if i ever enter a self destruction competition god forbid my opponent is blizzard
Anyone who has taken Business Communication in college knows that whenever you say "no" to someone, you always phrase it as you doing them a favor.
Instead of "No, we aren't holding up our end of this transaction," it is "We are focusing on what works and giving you the experience you want rather than a mish-mash of different features."
the reason they wont show it is that even these story missions, which do look cool imo, will most likely be heavily subsidised version of the expected fully fledged campaign we were also promised, that will be very monetized and try to rinse you, it will probably be like a 30-40 min mission once per season or every other season, overall its all a complete downgrade and underdelivery
Are you sure you aren't expecting too much from them? I wouldn't expect more than rehashed versions of the PvE missions from OW1 with some minor tweaks here and there
@@halofreak1990 damn even this is too much xD, I thought this was the bare minimum (this is still ass)
What a joke if a company
class action lawsuit. They said that the game would be one product and it turned out to be another. They took customer's money and did not deliver. This is fraud.
Only recourse we have is uninstalling. On top of the money, this is why so many games have shifted to “live service”, anything advertised is subject to change because you’re not buying a product anymore, even if that live service is a product you once bought
@@TrueGamer22887 People who bought digital items under the premise that the game would have a PVE mode 100% have a case against Blizzard.
@@giglioflex they don’t. That’s a very big reason it’s a “live service” read the ToS. Nothing revealed it guaranteed, or forever
@@TrueGamer22887 Their failure to meet their promises and players purchases as a result of those promises are outside the scope of such a document. As the name implies, Terms of Service only apply to your use of their service / product. TOS has nothing to do with promises made by the company. Mind you, not that you could legally release yourself of all liability via a TOS. Ultimately state and government laws take precedence over any TOS and that includes laws pertaining to misleading or lying to customers. Companies have been sued by both customers and shareholders in the past precisely because they lied to their customers and shareholders, including in instances where said companies had TOSs. Of course as pointed out earlier, TOS was never even brought up in those court cases because they are irrelevant to cases involving companies making false promises. In fact, Microsoft might even have recourse against Activision Blizzard and Overwatch 2 canceling PVE mode as part of the value of that company is staked in one of it's largest franchises, OW, and that value could drastically lower as a result of the cancelling of PVE.
@@giglioflex they’re not bro, I’m telling you this is why they use a live service model lmao. No one is stepping in, no one is suing, all you can do is uninstall
Yeah i don't think Blizzard can do anything right these days
havent for years imo
@@baflabies took the words right out of my mouth buddy
Diablo 4 looks fun. But whenever they seem to find their stride, they self own in the most epic ways. I think they really underscored just how big the blowback would be on the PVE cancellation
Most of the time they'll take credit from whatever third party studio did good that they hired but not absorbed like so many studios in the past... people still think EA for instance is less worse for doing just that despite the two decade worth of dozen's closed studios
The purchase from Activision killed it permanently.
This 💯 boils down to the fact that we as gamers are not their customers, they give zero fucks about us, their customers are shareholders.
That Crawl - Walk - Run actually makes me so mad given that the FPS PVP in Overwatch was a thing that was always SO close to working but because of a massive lack of care towards the FPS landscape around them so many rookie mistakes were made, most notably failing consistently to proactively avoid pitfalls so many FPS games have had. Off the top of my head: Infinite ammo for all characters which heavily benefits spam heavy characters over accuracy while simultaneously allowing "Snipers" to spam freely, giving Widow extremely strong mobility and peak options while also giving her a decent enough SMG and refusing to put lots more cover in maps, Mercy - Torb as a whole where they ignored the god like design of Medic and the ample great sentry characters to a point where they need constant remakes, refusal to differentiate characters more ala speed, terrible map design overall that neccessitates shield upon shield upon shield, on and on.
And now i know why: They weren't thinking of Overwatch as a game in it's own right but a fucking stepping stone back towards the MMO they think they wanted. It's been a known secret for a while now that the leadership of Team 4 was not the best, but to have to it basically confirmed that they PURPOSEFULLY ignored many obvious warning signs is beyond insane. How do you even begin to justify anything you have to say going forward with Kotick and leadership screwing over devs and the community on the regular to enact a 3 part plan to w point where they will effectively kill a golden goose.
Can only imagine how Jeff feels about the whole thing
Why do you think he left?
Really love the fact they give us 3x xp for battle pass while they announced this
Truly a “good way to apologize”
It's 'free hour in the ball pit at Dashcon' tier
They sure know how to disappoint people. Give the audience an expectation, a promise, a vision, and then just slap their face.
And they still go back 🤣🤣
@@Chihiro-Kikuchi if the game wasn’t fun people would quit
when you have fanboys that will turn around and 6 months buy into BS again - no real down side.
@@lilwintery6434 Honestly, that's kinda the problem though. "Yeah, they broke every promise they've made and slapped us all in the face, but the game is still fun!" No wonder companies keep pulling these stunts, consumers are hopeless.
Blizzard apologies are the equivalent of the South Park BP oil spill apology "We're sorry" (rubs nipples intensely) But hey, how else are they gonna pay Bobby Kotick the 250 MILLION dollars his contract entitles him to when he finally decides to leave the company no matter how much money he loses it in the name of filling his own pockets, right?
This is the perfect moment for battleborn to come back, has just about everything that overwatch 2 is scrapping it'll be the comeback of the century
The saddest part about all this is that, all the scrapped PvE content was successfully being created, but they were literally being thwarted by the decisions of higher executives to change focus of OW2 development time towards random side projects, just for those other projects to get scrapped, too.
And that info was released by an ex-dev last year.
No, they are just making excuses. They are just bad devs. Every good dev at Blizzard left long ago for greener pastures. The only ones left are the bottom of the barrel scrubs who can't get hired elsewhere. The truth is that all of these devs are ass and Blizzard knew it too. They said "we can't do shit right, and we are admitting it, because we have no good devs on our team". Simple as that.
Exactly why I don't completely blame the devs at all. They were put in a resource chokehold between manpower (a lot of them quitting or being let go) and time (unrealistic deadlines), all the way to mandatorily having to move closer to the Blizzard campus and work from home (which also was a reason for a lot of quitting). It's really not that the devs didn't want to make this part of the game, it's that the higher ups were impatient and saw another way to get more monetary value quicker and more abundantly by scrapping PvE and pushing all the resources to PvP.
In summary corporate greed and bad management because of the lack of trust in their development team.
i don’t think it was too successful if it has been taking them 3+ years since it’s announcement
Its all Activision, they ruin everything, corporate companies like Activision,disney etc buys talented passionate companies and turns them into a money printing machine, its about time the consumers come forward to stop this exploitation
Reeks of "You guys dont have phones?"
Blizz, we just wanted the game to have a reason to exist, all you've done is prove to me that the 2 in the title is nothing more than a buzz word. Incredible sequel that really needs to exist, bravo
Can i ask are ya going to be interested in covering the situation involving the fighting game skullgirls would love to hear your thoughts on the situation
Loool Hulk u made it onto Yong's video
As someone who stopped playing during Overwatch 1, this was expected. I'm more interested in what the community is gonna do about it. See if this changes any attitudes or if they'll give them a reason to keep doing this stuff.
The entire community could quit and never buy another blizzard game, and it wouldn't matter, because all the mobile gamers with IQs at room temp spend $2 million per day on Diablo Immortal. Blizzard doesn't have to do literally anything else ever and be fine as long as the mobile gaming market exists.
The community will bend over and keep spreading their cheeks 🤣 they enjoy blizzard fucking them over. I however uninstalled because i was actually looking forward to it and since its not coming i have no more reason to play since they’ve handled pvp poorly
Unfortunately majority of the people don't follow the news on this and care enough to do anything about it.
I know a lot of people who knows about Blizzard games but have no idea about Blizzard as a company. They just keep buying whatever new game Blizzard is spewing out because their older games were good.
…nothing. The reality is, if you were still playing Overwatch 2, it’s because you like the PvP, not because you’re holding out on the release of the PvE mode.
Like don’t get me wrong, this isn’t a good look, but it’s also not something the vast majority of their existing playerbase will be directly affected by.
the community wont do shit except gaslight each other that they are just doomers and that the company did nothing wrong
Wasn't it already leaked by an insider who confirmed that this was cancelled because the suits didn't think it would make as much money as the pvp monetization, though? This just seems like a corporate move to try and deflect away from the real reason that this was cancelled; it wasn't that the scope was too big, it was that there was not as much profit in it.
Yep this would have brought me back, because I hate the stress of competitive overwatch, but love co-op teamwork missions
So the parts left intact are the pve events they've been doing since OW's release?
They probably lost a lot of potential players with this stunt. I was waiting until they added to PVE mode to start playing the game. There’s a good chance I’m not the only one.
No PVE was the reason why I never bought Overwatch up until now. This day my choice to ignore has been vindicated.
I waited for pve, glad i did and didn' buy the game with empty promises
I was actually hoping for an OW-type game that had more Borderlands-ish bite to it than just grinding for skins until you get bored. Oh well. Tears of the Kingdom just came out and Shadow of the Erdtree is slated soon so there's plenty to play besides this garbage lmao
the day before they announced this bs i was actually about to reinstall because i havent played since season 1.
First mistake was believing Blizz at face value.
I never did because of the well over 40 years of gaming. The fact that none of you learn from history shows.
At this point people should know better. Why don't they?
@@darkstalkerknight63 just wait until Diablo 4 comes out. The same people complaining about this will rush to spend 70$ on that and complain when it's inevitably a micro transaction, pay to win hellhole.
@@insectnipz That I blame on people with no patience. I will say this: modern gaming could teach a Master Class lesson, in how to use social media and the availability of opinion, to snare people into thinking they HAVE to play the latest game NOW, good or bad. There's plenty of people who buy games solely to hate on them when they don't measure up, or are so blinded by hype trailers and pre-release bullshit that they will go to their graves apologizing for the. I've got zero sympathy for them.
And now seems that they are considering adding the skill trees to pvp, which if is outside Arcade would be a balancing nightmare since every hero would have many more abilities that you need consider when you enter the fight.
In paladins the champs have 3 talents and a deep card system to customize, what it boils down to is kit of the character. But tbf i guess doing it for each character as they come out feels less daunting than doing it for every character youve already done at once
2019: PVE is coming!
2020: PVE is coming!
2021: PVE is coming!
2022: PVE is coming!
2023: PVE is canceled, but we're confident that we can do other stuff. Those other stuff won't be canceled too hehe
It goes to show that Blizzard will refuse to go above and beyond for their customers. It’s all about what Blizzard can take from us while giving us as little as they possibly can in return. Instead of love and good will towards fans, it’s lies and predatory monetization.
This! Right here. This is exactly it. What a fucking disgrace of a company I swear. How is it that small Devs like Rare and GhostShip Games can deliver way more content in a couple of years, and ask for next to nothing in return (Sea of Thieves, Deep Rock Galactic), than a huge company like Blizzard can do in almost a fucking decade, while they sit on their fat greedy asses releasing the BARE MINIMUM and yet have the gall to want so much from their players. $20 per skin?? Are you fucking serious? Shameful!
Then don’t play it ima enjoy what I want tho
@@wesker911 it’s my money lol il spend it how I want fuck y’all 🤷♂️
"Hero Missions are probably one of the hardest things to wrap your head around if you've never played one of them." Especially if they don't exist.
Im so jaded to all this sadly. hearing the constant flow of bad news in the gaming world and watching it continuously get worse and worse without any positive change in sight on top of the majority of people that play games basically enabling it is just so sad
And I was one of them. I was looking forward to buy this game for the PvE, but since it has been cancelled, I completely lost interest in Overwatch.
I think Overwatch is gonna be quietly abandoned by Blizzard, considering the sparse content rollout for the future, it just seems like Blizzard is ready to axe this franchise in the future.
Overwatch 2 has received/will receive more content updates than Overwatch 1 ever has.
Well there's a roadmap, but at this point we all how much that is worth...........they haven't even been able to deliver on the original selling point from freaking 2019.
Just like Heroes of the Storm.
@@MoralKombato How can you sue for damages on a FREE game?
@@BalkanGames Theoretically, of course.
I’ll say it again, ITS SO easy to be a indie only gamer in this day and age, abandon these broke AAA companies and support smaller studios who put actual love and care into their craft.
Btw unrelated but, can I get a rock and stone?
ROCK AND STONE! DRG is legitimately one of the best co-op games I've played in a very depressingly long time.
Did somebody say ROCK AND STONE?!
ROCK AND STONE YEEEEAAAAH
I love indie games and boomer shooters and deep rock but for multiplayer games there is no indie games that comes close to being a fast paced team based arena shooter
ROCK. AND. STOOooOOOoOOooOOOONE.
Whenever something is happening in the gaming world RUclips ignores whatever it is and recommends me: YongYea - Fallout 4 - Full E3 2015 Gameplay Presentation, without fail, every time.
Lol at 1:00 when they all nodded their heads in unison made it seem like there was someone on the other side of the camera holding up a fkn sign saying "nod your head or your family dies"
You can just tell how mad my man YongYea is when he had to say "They need to share the details right now, not in the coming few weeks..." Three times. 😆
I caught that too! 💀 I thought my wifi was messing up again!
I just wanted PvE because the characters and their backgrounds looked interesting. I'd love to experience their stories instead of just watching short videos.
Watching a character progress and grow through the course of playing a game is what makes a player want to continue to play a game... but that takes effort the company didn't want to utilize. That's why companies love PVP games, all you need to do is create goofy characters to fight each other without the need for backstories or purpose for the fighting.
Surprised they did not try to throw Jeff Kaplan under the bus for this, since he was project lead at the time of the announcement.
That Coop mission looked disturbingly close to borderlands, if anyone still remembers.