“The Wrong Way to Put Out a Fire” | My Hero Academia Season 6 Episode 17 Reaction!
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I’ve been saying this a lot, but “The wrong way to put out a fire” is honestly a perfect way of looking at what Endeavor did to Touya. Endeavor sparked the fire, and instead of giving it calm and gentle water or something to put it out, he basically poured gasoline and paint thinner on it, and then proceeded to ignore the fire and let it build, not realizing that he was not only the root of the problem but also the main one making it worse.
And by the time he did realize it, it’s all just too little too late.
It's crazy how the salvation of todoroki family starts with deku. That's why their fight is shown.
it could be said that Deku is the flame of the todoroki family
Yee they are sad 💔 the mom is cute
@@user-uu1hv8nv6i rei is a baddie👌
@@alexgaming99 l hate the dad
@@alexgaming99 at almost 50
she's almost gokus age and Gohan already has a kid and his own family and career
these anime girls don't be aging fr
And now you know, how Endeavor’s ever consuming obsession combined with frustration of not knowing what to do led to him become the person we met at the start of the story.
A very human and complicated situation. Horikoshi’s best writing.
I’m sure you’re wondering how Toya survived and became Dabi, that answer will come next season… as well as one final reveal about Endeavor.
Ive read the manga so spoilers are fine, i forgot about that thing that got revealed. What was it again pls?
@@Curtis._.Alpha. SPOILERS
That when he was young, Endeavor watched his father die trying to save a little girl from a villain. It was after that he vowed never to be weak again, that he would become superhuman like All Might. Taking the name Endeavor as a representation of his menial nature.
Minus Enji’s arc I would also say it’s the best-written
Remember when they said that endeavor tried to visit her in the hospital but he wasn’t allowed to so he just gave her flowers because he knew these were her favs and those are the ones she brought to see him in hospital too
Which according to her when shoto was with her in the room she admitted she told him just once and he remembered. And we got shown that scene in this episode.
The todoroki family storyline is one of the best things in mha
Yes your right they're are badasss too me
Well if you like child beaters and wife beaters yeah it's the best ever 😒
I hate that the war has gotten so bad that the whole family (plus Hawks and BJ) have to get together to support Endeavor. I get that he's doing his best to make things right, but this is the first time we've seen him cry over the past, while his whole family has been living with that trauma this entire time. He only made things worse for them, but now they have to be there to support him so Japan doesn't fall apart. I get that it's necessary, but I hate that they have to do it. If you ask me Endeavor doesn't deserve their support.
I'm btw so proud of Rei. The way she walks in and takes responsibility for her actions. Even the fact that she faced her abuser (after all these years) despite just learning that their son is alive and has killed people. And she remained strong the entire time. What a badass🙏🏻
People in Japan are often discouraged or hesitant to seek professional treatment for their mental health concerns due to stigma.
There's something deeply upsetting about the fact that Endeavor understood that it was okay for Toya to not be #1 but couldn't see the same obsession in himself
i would say "disturbing" not upsetting.
Most people i real life are quick to see a wrong path in others but not be able to look within themselves
Well. Family troubles aside, every time he stepped out of the house, he had to wear the mask of the #2 hero. Nothing he did was ever good enough to be #1. He saved less lives, defeated less villains, even sold less merchandise. It wears down on you.
Right, I love how blunt that hypocrisy is. Endeavor telling his son that there's a world outside of being a hero, while he himself is 4 children into his backyard eugenics program. And through it Touya ultimately becomes all of Enji's flaws exemplified despite being born with the intention that he would supersede them.
@@tenebrescent uhm he actualldy did more hero work than all might
@@jasonblack2477 yup first thing we ever hear about Endeavor was that he solved the most crimes out of all the heroes
Imagine a 13 year old child saying things like this to their parents - "You'll be glad that I was born" or in the manga version - "You'll realize that I wasn't a mistake"… Pathetic and depressing. This episode demonized Endeavor for me even more.
Orijinal translation was "you will be glad that you created me" which is more messed up.
The problem is when you're a first child. You don't exactly know how to treat them because they're your Experiment. So making mistakes is pretty common especially when you have one. But it is evident that these mistakes just keeps growing more and more as the family keeps increasing. Toya is heavily misguided and whilst their parents are neglecting to him, he should receive the love that he needs and help to overcome his feelings
Enjis thoughts (which are incredibly flawd) were that once a successfull child happens, TOuya would for sure give up...I have no idea how one comes out with that idea but hey, he never claimed to be a great father.
Yes poor boy
His absolutely HORRENDOUS emotional control lead to all of this. Touya is the golden child. Not Shoto. Shoto was the mask that it wasn’t all for nothing. It’s SO messed up. This doesn’t absolve Endeavor but it does logically explain his actions. And at the end of the day, only a victim can forgive an abuser. And based on the story, I think the Todoroki’s are going to bring him back into the family. Rei’s flower I interpreted as “Let’s start over.” Not with the whole family but her specifically.
Shoto has been working towards accepting the Endeavor who TRIES to empathize and lets himself BE vulnerable. Which is what he needed all along. And while Natsuo is the MOST resentful, I don’t foresee him letting that ending up complete disconnect with Endeavor.
I think the idea was if Touya was faced with someone who outclassed him as thoroughly as All Might did Endeavor, he'd give up like Enji did. Of course there's a lack of self awareness there, because Enji didn't REALLY give up, he just made a radical shift in tactics (I can't beat All Might? Fine, I'll make a kid who can beat All Might)
What he's actually doing is running from the problem- he can't stop Touya and hates the helplessness that comes with that, so he pivots to a different goal which he can at least do SOMETHING about
This show is special, it's easy for the big battle episodes filled with action and awesome music to score highly with me, but for this dialogue and backstory episode to score as high as some other classic episodes really helps cement this as one my favorite anime
It's a joy to get your reaction and to read the comments, it's a nice community you're building.
Enjoy and be well, maybe we can win with kindness :)
Nice to see people still loving this anime, otherwise now a days I just see people shitting on it. Love the world building
15:42 my baseball dream ended with a rotator cuff tear and it lead me into depression for awhile, you are spot on!
Tbh, I don’t think there is a way to save Dabi. I don’t think he wants to be saved either. You’re right about one thing though, people are complicated.
i love how when Shoto's Mom said "He have friends at U.A. School" the next frame is how Izuku beat the shit out of Shoto lol, this is actual good friendship between boys
Unfortunately therapy is not really that prevalent in Japanese culture. I’m sure it is more complicated than I can explain, but from what I have looked up, choosing to endure in silence is seen as a virtue, so going to a therapist would go against that belief.
Yeah from what I’ve heard, getting mental help in any way shape or form is looked down upon and a one way ticket to being ostracized.
Therapy is trash common Japan W honestly
Yes. As a person who is in Japan, it's not that common for people to speak for themselves in a situation or get help when they need it, because in Japan's society, we are expected to blend with the crowd, to be independent to the point where it almost gets toxic. It's a sad reality.
@@enola6284 how fitting that MHA deals with such issues like not fitting into society’s mold…
I really like how fire is such a passionate element and it's portrayed so well with Endeavor, and Dabi and how too much passion can be a bad thing. Endeavor initially tried to do the right thing but his obsessive passion (or ambition is more like it) to surpass All Might always ended up overshadowing any good thing he tried to do, Dabi also has stronger flames than Endeavor and is shown to have more of a obsessive passion to the point where it literally drives him insane.
It's just my opinion, but I believe that Dabi and Endeavour share one similarity which is their obssessive personalities, an inability to see beyond their obsessions. Nevertheless, the whole situation is just sad and a lot complex than I thought
Endeavor is hated so much for the shit he put his family through, but before he became the person we first meet him as we see that despite his wrong doings, at one point there was a man there who genuinely cared deeply for his family. When he found out Toya was being hurt by his own quirk, he tried to stop him from ever using it again. Granted, that only made the problem worse, but it’s nice to see how he would have preferred Toya live a healthy and safe life rather than push him to become the number one hero at the risk of killing him in the process.
One thing you might've missed- Endeavor's decision to focus so much on Shoto was because he was hoping that showing Toya that Shoto was "better" would convince Toya to give up on trying to become the top hero.
Endeavor's descent into this madness wasn't solely because of his ambition, it was also because he saw it as something that might save Toya from the self-destructive path he was going down.
He goat
@@user-uu1hv8nv6i abusers arnt goats
@@L-W-ko1hn yes
@@L-W-ko1hn not really mean the bad guys
Yeah. I think the piece people miss is that Enji and Touya probably had the strongest bond/love in that family. But Enji’s ambition was almost like a drug. Like an addiction that poisoned his relationships. That he couldn’t shake even for the sake of his family.
He was aware of it though. Frustrated by it and afraid of it-looking at Touya, the way he burned himself out of a desperate desire to prove himself… it was looking into a mirror. Even if the damage wasn’t physical for Enji, he was “burning” himself metaphorically by being unable to let go of this desperate need to be the best. (There’s reason for that too, trauma that will come to light later).
But really how do you tell a kid “hey Billy stop smoking it’s terrible for you” if you’re ripping through two packs a day nonstop?
How do you say “there’s more to life than hero work” to a kid who has been following in your footsteps like a duckling all his life, believing your path to be his birthright, who knows you better than anyone else and KNOWS you’re being a hypocrite by trying to set him on any alternative path…
Touya manifested all of Enji’s worst qualities and reflected them right back in his face.
Well the only reason all might never told people what his quirk is, was that he believed the people would be better off thinking he is a natural born hero. But now that society is going to shit and the way heroes are seen right now, i dont think it really matters anymore if people know about it especially this way the top heroes can make a plan against shigaraki/all for one 🤔
Really love that they are going to a different path, as an actual family now to face Dabi. Love the redemption for endeavor to stand up on his feet ro face dabi along side his family
Deku had such a pivotal role in saving the Todoroki family, along with others he's encountered with
Imagine being born just to fulfill your dads dream
But when you cant do that ypu are deemed worthless/failure and tossed aside and gets replaced
And all you want to do is proving you werent a mistake
Man that hurts
Yes your right 💔😭
But Endeavor didn`t toss Toya aside and saw him as a mistake. That is just in Toyas head
This didn't even happen you're making shit up Endeavor didn't see him as a failure or toss him aside he wanted him to stop because he was hurting himself. He told him being a hero isn't everything go make friends have fun find a dream but Toya wouldn't listen it was literally in the episode
@@F4Jd *This didn't even happen you're making shit up Endeavor didn't see him as a failure or toss him aside*
Weird, so why did he stop taking care of him and giving him attention from the moment Toya turned out to be disabled by his quirk ?
*he wanted him to stop because he was hurting himself*
Intentions and actions (or lack of them) are two different things.
*He told him being a hero isn't everything go make friends have fun find a dream but Toya wouldn't listen it was literally in the episode*
Of course he wasn't going to listen, Enji himself didn't believe it for a second. If he did, he wouldn't actively try to replace Toya with another child and train his successor to surpass All Might. Why would Toya listen to his father if he sees that the latter is a hypocrite who will continue to neglect him until he gets good enough ?
@@colourless_fox7048 Oh so Endeavor never stopped taking care of Toya from the moment he found out he was disabled and he didn't replace him with other children while almost openly admitting that it's because he will never be good enough to surpass All Might ? Nor did he run away every time he was confronted with his son's self-destructive behavior ? What we saw in this episode was just a collective hallucination of Toya and Rei ?
Have you watched Vinland Saga? I'm following the manga and it doesn't stop surprising me with each chapter. Its amazing!!
He is so mean
Woman they gave birth to him knowing what their quirks could do but they still did
Toya is right ....his dad and mom are villains
im starting to enjoy mha again 😭👍
great episode, charged with deep emotions, good analysis, and nice shirt you got there ma'am
a very interesting secundary story and its just starting
I'm glad to see Endeavor's character development.
What I'm curious about is how Toya found out Rei's reason for marrying Endeavor? I don't think that's something you tell your child.
He probs found out either through digging arounbd or talking to family members like grandparents, etc. Toya was a smart kid so he probably deduced it by some meeans like that
@@MilleniumKage I think someone (out of stupidity) told him. Parents normally don't share financial situations.
I bet he investigated it during his "why was I born?" stage.
It's super obvious his parents don't love each other. He knows that his Dad wants to create a kid who can surpass all might.
So that would leave him wondering what his mom got out of that deal- money is the obvious choice, and I can see him intuiting from there.
I don't know that he ever confirmed it, so much as guessed, and it was close enough to the truth that Rei reacted, thus further cementing it in his mind.
Bro that backstory man
Amazing episode
in japan therapy is considered good.
if the doctor diagnosis you with a mental illness, the nurses will directly come to your home for a check up, and the japanese government covers most of the check so it's basically free.
They cut stuff in this episode. They try to mitigate Endeavors story in the manga by showing Rei happy/on dates. Her being happily married right up until Toya started having issues with burning himself. They show her suggest their second child. Thinking it would be good for Toya to have someone to play with when he couldnt hero train anymore. More with Endeavor trying to stop Toya. Made little Dabi out to be more psycho too.
Damn even though Endeavor and Rei didn't do anything to stop Dabi. In the end, Dabi did choose to go down a path of self-destruction all on his own.
Sure, it's the fault of the abused kid if he develops self-mutilation tendencies and certainly not that of his parents who neglected him for years.
Yeah, it was a tragedy, I feel bad for Toya, it could have all been avoided with better parenting and therapy. But the moment he became Dabi and started hurting innocent people, that's when my sympathy ended, Dabi needs to be stop and go to prison.
AAAA the new to your eternity episode was very good!! i hope to see u react to it! :)
Endeavor tried to live out his failed dreams through his family. And once that didn't work, he kept trying to create a powerful child. So focused on his own ambition that he had tunnel vision and didn't see the damage he was doing to his family. Even after traumatizing his family and losing Touya, he didn't become better for years. Which is why I think he's one of the most complicated characters in the series. Because we see the progress he's made now, but we also see how horrible he used to be. We saw that what he did was truly the wrong way to put out the fire he lit under Touya
You show look into the show buddy daddies! its very wholesome!
As soon as Endeavor found out that Toya's body would just burn itself out he stopped training him, apart from Toya the other kids didn't even seem bothered by the alleged lack of attention and Toya even tried to kill a baby, he was crazy
First born syndrome
crazy based and valid
Endeavor made him belive that he was the one who will suprass All Might, he put his ALL thoughts in him and suddenly stopped training with him. He only told him its for his good and nothing more. He didnt even gave him any attention and didnt care about him anymore after shoto was born.
You are really stupid to think that is touya's fault
Yes but his mentality was drilled into him since birth by endeavor. He was a kid who just wanted to be accepted and loved by his father, just like any kid who looks up to their dad.
@@urmomshot9321 he’s still crazy
Endeavor is a great hero, that is a fact, he is also a terrible father and husband, the moment he decided to have a quirk marriage he dooms his family to suffering. Even if he was not all bad in the beginning, he continues to make bad decisions, he could have saved his family if he had tried hard enough, but unfortunately his obsession was more important to him at the time. What a great episode, I have no complains for these past few episodes, there so much care in them, it's a great time to be an MHA fan right now, both the anime and manga are really good so far.
It's unfathomable that someone as down to earth and gorgeous as you can put yourself down ever. You're the main character!
The thing is Endeavor didn't want Touya to get hurt but Endeavor himself didn't give up on his selfish dreams. Instead of making more kids, he should've given Touya more time, sat down and talked to him like how a real father should. Maybe even taken him to a psychiatrist or something. But, no. He didn't do that. Endeavor just pushed Touya to the side and kept on having more kids.
Rei was the one that wanted more kids, and he did talk to him it was literally in the episode
@@F4Jd Rei wanted kids and that resulted of them having only Fuyumi. Natsuo and Shoto's birth happened wasn't because of Rei wanting more kids; it happened because Touya was a failed experiment and Endeavor wanted more kids to replace him.
@@F4Jd No. That's not what "talking" is. Endeavor didn't talk to him; he yelled and scolded him. By the definition of "talking", it means, Endeavor should've given more time to Touya instead of chasing his selfish dreams and having more kids. Kept on talking to him until he finally comes to a realization- not yelling, not scolding - just talking, with love, care and understanding.
@@iffatbushrasuhi2860 No that was not the first time clearly because when he was yelling at him he said “How many times do I have to tell you?”
@@F4Jd Yeah and that's why I said Endeavor should've taken him to a psychiatrist or something when he noticed Touya wasn't listening to him, instead of wasting time of having more kids. Endeavor should have given him more time. Once it was proved that Touya was a failed experiment, Endeavor went on having more kids while Touya kept on training to prove his worth as a child to his father. By saying - "oh, please, stop" - wouldn't work. Touya is a smart kid. He knew the reason he was born wasn't because Endeavor wanted family or kids - he was born to surpass All Might. This isn't just about Touya wanting to get back his dad's love, time, and attention. This is a matter of his whole existence as a human being; the reason of his birth.
You're saying Endeavor asked him to stop. Now I ask you - Why didn't Endeavor stop? The doctor told him that manufacturing kids like this is taboo. Rei warned him not to be cruel to Touya like this. But did Endeavor listen? NO.
👋😁✌️ I'm looking forward to your reaction to this 😋
Any live streams planned?
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Offering another perspective, it seemed like the point of this was to show that it wasn’t Toyas dream (like say Deku), it was his obsession. Because there’s something mentally wrong with Toya, what started out as his dream became his obsession and his family’s negligence or incompetence (like Endeavor thinking that having Shoto would break Toyas obsession) just caused it to deteriorate further. It’s also an easy argument that Endeavor actually cared more for Toya than any other kid (as is common in Asian families to favor the oldest son) which is why he pushed Shoto to be away and train, since Endeavor convinced himself that Shotos success would save Toya. This is further indicated when Endeavor turned abusive towards Rei cus Toya hurt himself again and she didn’t stop him. You could argue that the irony is Endeavor cared more for Toya than anyone else but how he went about it just contributed that much more to the ruination of his family further.
OFFTOP, why blue lock gone?
It's so messed up
The whole situation was much ambiguous than I expected, maybe it's another thing they've dramatically toned down from the manga. Rei is certainly a much less sympathetic character now, making Shoto even more of a saint for being able to forgive her. Hell, now I even feel like Endeavor was justified in having her committed.
Plss reaction shuumatsu no valkrie s2
Im sorry but im with touya in this , endeavor whats a awful father the family never give love to touya neither his brothers and endeavor only want to touya stop because he was just a broken tool for him 🤷♂️, at least shoto have the attention of his father a quirk that dont hurt him and a friend like midoriya and class 1, what a truly sad story for touya as a kid
Yes your right here
Well, Touya is to blame for not trying to make friends. Shoto did not try to make friends either, he was lucky that Midoriya turned out to be his class, after all, not all people like to get into problems and personal boundaries of others, but Midoriya was not like that
@@user-ku1hv7hk3y Of course he wasn't going to listen his father and try to make friends, Enji himself didn't believe that there was any other world than the heroes' one. If he did, he wouldn't actively try to replace Toya with another child and train his successor to surpass All Might. Why would Toya listen to his father if he sees that the latter is a hypocrite who will continue to neglect him until he gets good enough ?
@@maniac7452 You did not understand me. I meant that Shota also had such a problem, his father did not spare him and he received serious burns from his mother and a trace of trauma for life, he saw real cruelty and was able to get out of it thanks to Midoriya. Shoto never wanted to make friends because that student from Shiketsu (I don't remember his name, but he had a quirk to control the wind) hated Shota for being cold to everyone and having the same ferocious look as the Endeavor. It’s just that Shoto is lucky that Midoriya is the one who gets into the problems of others, if he wasn’t there, then Shoto would become like Dabi. So they both had a similar situation and they themselves are to blame for not looking for friends. Because of this, one was left alone, the other was able to get out of the hole
Endeavor try to stop Touya to train his power cuz he knows that power can destroy him but after watch this i just feel bad for Endeavor too and what Hawks say is right as well, you can continue laying in your bed crying and feel frustrated, number 1 hero is the one need to do something and that's the more reason why his family came there🥲 Next episode gonna be nice as well cuz they start to ask about Deku power👍
I don't like how the anime handled this episode and just glossed over Toya trying to kill Shoto. I'd suggest reading this part in the manga it explains better
What are you talking about? It’s exactly the same as it is in the manga.
@@omegashark1837 They didn’t talk about Toya trying to kill shoto at all. They took out the part where it was Rei that wanted more kids. They didn’t mention that they were actually happy in the beginning. They made Endeavor look way worse in the anime. Look whatever I’m not arguing about this bye
@@F4Jd your forgetting the previous flashback from dabi’s dance. Your combining the two in your head and forgetting they already did most of what your talking about earlier
@@kamronspencer4910 we’re they not part of the same chapter though?
@@F4Jd no they weren’t.