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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- League of Legends is changing again after Worlds2022, this next pre-season is going to be dominated by 2 main factors. Tank champions and Tank killing champions.
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If only the Obesity meta was at worlds, then NA would have for sure won!
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Stop it, they're already dead xD
A whole video to make this joke? :D
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Reminder that my boy Cho'Gath used to lose stacks on death because infinitely stacking health was "too oppressive"
until riot made every new champ an anti tank
Damage used to be super tame back then so a tank could realistically tank some carries and live through a teamfight. Not so much after they made flat and % penetration stack in a favourable way. Not to mention everyone can get % hp damage these days and penetration stats are widely available to all types of damage dealers.
Riot has powercreeped their game massively over the past 10 years. Not sure if its a bad thing necessarily but seeing fiora with a deaths dance have more tanked and mitigated damage than a full tank ornn will never not be weird to me.
@@Lilybun champions now has %hp dmg for existing :) very cool, Riot.
@@taitrinh8650 noob opinion
@@cxbarren4528 🤡
In season 11 teamfights lasted 3 seconds, now they will last 13 years and 3 seconds.
200 years worth of team fights in a game...
Tanks will continue fighting...The rest of the team will die and walk back to lane to rejoin the fight
Do you even remember season 3 and 6?
Believe it or not, tanks used to be more unfair in Season 1-2. Back then there were more hp regen items along with resistance items with less balanced stats.
@@imhong28 back in S1 and 2, there was Madred's Bloodrazor, which did % max healt TRUE damages on hit (4% by memory). Yes tanks were overall, tankier than they have been in the past few years, but they were generally less mobile and dealt less damages and did not have as much tenacity (except Mundo, who could get to like 90%). This mean that tanks, while tankier got kited much more easily and generally did less damages, unless they were Atma's Impaler users, then they might have had stupidly high AD (again Mundo, there is a reason why the fucker was meta). More significant than all of those things though, were aura items and team buffing spells, whicb tanks often built or had. Remember Mao who would reduce damage his team mates take by up to 40%, as far as I remember, if they stayed in his ult? Nunu abd WW, while not exactly tanks, would give attack speed to their team, Sion would heal it for a portion of the damage he dealt, etc.. Same with some items, ome gave lifesteal and AD to nearby team mates and it was built on enchanters and tanks, an other gave like 20 mr and armor to nearby team mates, etc..
All this to say, the difference in what made S1 and 2 tanks sooooo strong is not their raw power in the form of tankyness and damages, but how much stronger they could make their team mates, which is why most were played support (in S2). This is also true for enchanters, which were also more dominant. This combined with ADCs like Kog and Vayn being really good, people being shit at the game (we were sooo fucking bad back then), items like Madred's Blood Razor, stacking Blood Thirster and IE being 50% extra damages on crit made for a buff the carry meta, much more than a tank meta. In my opinion, S2 is the most fun time in LoL, people were not taking themselves as seriously (baron 1v1s in ranked were the most fun shit ever) and it is before DFG breaking the game for 2 years. Not to forget the custom game finder, which Riot removed (worst change ever made to the game)...
as a sion main who can already get 7000 hp a game by simply playing the game while also doing the most dmg i think this item it a great addition for the game especially because he didn't mention grasp also does percent max of your hp damage and you can buy titanic hydra.
cant wait for sion to kill me even faster by only autoattacking!
As a sett player that does more true damage based on my max health I couldn't agree more. This item is a fantastic addition to the game
@@Numb_ Yeah, its especially fun in RGM modes were gold comes by quicker.
I uninstalled LoL a year back. But as a Sion user, I may come back.
You want this preseason because you desire obesity meta. I want this preseason because ROA + Seraph Revert means Ryze meta. We are not the same.
FINALLY Ryze gets the antifreeze buff he desperately needed for years
The funny thing is: On some champions this does mean infinite Scaling. Sett and Cho are really good examples. Sett especially can easily oneshot any non-Heartsteel user with W damage and Cho can eat said carry via the power of demonics conversion.
But I agree that stuff like vayne or Kayn, who can easily dodge stuff like this, heal up AND do more damage will also make a massive comeback :D
Sett can one shot Enemies by throwing the Tank with the heartsteel on to them
@@Zenith07 well... Basically sett will feel nice.
But there's also full tank grasp sions...
That gray boy is gonna be big af if game drags past 20-25 min mark...
Zenix Vampirchik@ demonic embrace for massive w shield
Cass will be a fucking monster.
The issue is ghost will probably deal with those characters, no matter how gosu you are with vayne a tank with ghost on will always out play you unless you have peel there to help you, meaning the new support meta will be heavy peel, this means one less damage to help you with the tank. If anything this meta probably will be again one of the most boring metas since old tank meta and ardent meta.
As a bruiser player, i will gladly lane vs tanks, as opposed to ranged champions.
As a tank player I will gladly take place of those stupid ranged laners for you
bro the bruiser meta has been dominated top lane for 2 years now since the item rework. Riot definitely has to change something to make the game less boring and not let darius aatrox spam more in rank. But tbh the new tanl item seem broken af, just like the sunfire aegis pre-nerd
@@tamemon6848 Idc, i will play vs tanks all day, fuck ranged tops.
@@tamemon6848 u realise that bruisers have almost no items aatrox rely on lethality% armour pen build to be even viable thats how much riot nerfed shitdrinker and the other mythic and lets not even mention divine how much that item got nerfed because they refuse to nerf wukongs abilities but i do agree darius is literaly full build with tabi and nobody is crying about it he is still not nerfed from 3 paches ago and beside aatrox having the highest pickrate at words meanwhile we forget the free stat giver healing jumping parasite that is yuumi she is still not nerfed
@@jenokrivanszki7762 darius has been op for a year but people dont give a fuck and that because he has no dash. that is his only weakness he tanky and deal as much damage as a adc if he get 5 stack which very easy to get in solo queqe environment.
As an ARAM enjoyer I can't confirm anything, I particularly liked in the past decade how Riot said "It's Summoner's Rifting time" and Summ Rifted all over the game, this is going to be one of the seasons of all time.
I dont know what you just said but as a girl who loves tuna pizza I have to agree with you.
You said it best!
@@Nako3 eww disgusting
@@plague0 What about banana pizza?
It's season 10 all over again.
Him saying green sucks made my chest hurt
Just want to say sunfire isnt really nerfed. The aoe damage is so high now exacerbated by the huge hp increase for tanks now. You lose out on the on hit but jesus that damage ramps up fast.
Mr and armor ?
No mythic passive
AH ?
That’s the nerf
@@omarvalencia8863 In terms of just plain stats yes but compare the damage/power of current sunfire to the one with the new items and you get better damage numbers out of it and unless you're vs like 3 ap champs you pretty much always take more ad dmg so armor is usually worth more than mr.
Tell me you never tried using the new sunfire without telling me
Yeah fr, i could easily get 8k+ hp if these updates come through with my sion tank. No problem at all. The sunfire will do like 150 dmg per proc if a fight lasts long enough
It loses 20 AH, 50 HP and trades 35 MR for 15 Armor and all of that for -400g. That is a decent nerf (the AH alone is worth more than 500g).
On top of that it doesnt have the full stacked dmg anymore on AAs.
For its AOE dmg it is still strong, but in terms of stats it is meh. You pay 2.8k gold for 2k stats and the passive.
It's old Sunfire (S10) with less Armor and HP but also higher cost and a lower AOE range. More dmg over time, but less dmg upfront.
Here to clown on Dong Huap for being every bit as wrong about this as I said he was the first time, 3 weeks ago when I called him clueless. I'm pretty sure there are iron players who had a more cogent take than this.
Curious how Jak'Sho and Radiant Virtue turned out as the really good tank mythics while Heartsteel is only good on like Mundo and Sion... and Sett for the true damage W lols
This is another buff to enchanter, speciffically moonstone. Enchanters who can choose between shurelya's and moonstone usually choose moonstone if teams are beefy. If tanks become more popular moonstone will become the default option for enchanters too.
Idk, as an enchanter main I believe it will make them rather irrelevant. We don't have %HP shields/healing or dmg. Healing and shielding only benefit from Armour & Magic Resist by increasing their efficiency. Tanks will swamp the team and if you can't get them off or away you're not going to out last them. But I get where you're coming from in a prolonged fight it may become a mandatory item.
well that basically make league feel more like a rpg game with actual role now instead of oneshot game.
Not the teams are beefier, but tanks, and tanks dont really need these insane 300 hp soraka heals when they have 6k+. But do they need movespeed?Hell yeah
K'Sante isn't a tank he is a Duelist/Bruiser that scales off of Tank Stats.
Yes and No. In his base form, he's pretty much objectively a tank. He has two hard CC (3 if you count ult) abilities, a shield and a damage reduction ability, and piss-poor damage on all of them (even his passive). But, yes, in his ult, he transforms into a duelist (which was kind of the entire point of the champion). No way you can call base K'Sante a bruiser, though.
It's time to bring back my "tanky Vlad/Veigar 1 V 9 one shot carry" lol
ah, remember warmogs veigar QR anyone
green sucks did not age well lmao was the only jg pet worth building for like 5 months after this video came out
Player: Riot we cant play tanks anymore because every ad champ rush BoRK please help us
Riot: So you saying you need a new item that make BoRK 100% obligatory because evey tank is a 8k wall?
Funny comment, but the reality is that these items are going to make tanks completely unplayable unless they build iceborn. Think about it. You are a tank, you are down 20 CS in lane. Enemy builds 2.5s CD Sunderer or 10 second CD Gore. You have a 30 second CD item that gives you 1/2 the damage of Divine on essentially ~15x the cooldown.
Then think about the 60 and 90 second CD items. You get like 80 damage on a 60 second CD and you're almost dead by the time it activates, or maybe your enemy just pops it and walks away and you just have 3200 wasted gold. Radiant (90 second CD small team buff item) is even worse, to the point it will probably never see play.
@@Derploop tbh I just ignore the possibility of tanks playing top lane...it's sup or jg because you absolutely can't deal with fighters right now
Think you got the colors wrong.
Blue: sucks
Red: good
Green: broken
i mean its literally broken right now. ornn, sej, maokai, zac get to build full tank and still oneshot u lol
there is no way you said green smite suck
HP is still HP. So many abilities and items shred HP stacking strats.
Fiora and Gwen will be good options in this meta due to their health % based damage...
They will nerf Gwen... Again....
Or orn, who has a lot of %max hp and can abuse the items as well
Gwen doesn`t deal health % based damage (or I missed something)
@@nobodylol4111 her passive
Gwen isnt that good vs tanks as she used to be
Tank are weak now look at stats
I have the feeling people say this sort of things every year since quite a long time.
Tanks are still not dominating, ADCs are still relevant, hell, they even had to give a Big and complete tanking increase.
I love how players are just complaining 24/7, never recognising that they were wrong, over and over.
"Akshan can revive teammates, that's too OP" Character is basically irrelevant and was never really strong.
"OMG, Belveth is so OP, RITO fix" No she ain't
Yep, it's AP Varus time.
Mr
@@Tlafsiy doesn't help.
there, I finished your sentence
@@plasmodius9449 ): fr
can't wait to play the new season and say "it's tankin' time" and tank all over them.
truly one of the pre-season patches ever.
Actually do any thinking about the new tank mythics and you'll realise this is a completely clueless video that never should have been made. They're so unbelievably terrible.
@@Derploop explain.
another season? more dogshit elo inflated junglers with a bronze level in diamond?? the most unskilled champions about to be the most broken? thanks riot!!
400 hp isnt alot. Anyone that builds anti tank deletes 400hp on tanks without issue. People just like to bitch
Time to try out tank Vlad again
Some tanks dont actually need bamis to wave clear. Sion with his q and w, orn with his... everything, sej with her w, etc... a lot of tanks have good aoe to shove walls quickly on the ability they max first. And we already see a lot of tanks skip it over an early warden's mail, so it should be no different from that
Yeah, but that's not every tank case, and it's gonna be hard for tanks that don't have good waveclear to keep up. Maokai for example would love that item, but since his sapplings don't deal empowered damage to minions anymore, he will struggle to clear waves withouth bami's.
Shen is another example of a tank who lacks waveclear. He has 0 AoE against waves. And the sad part is that Shen usually is good to fight other tanks, but if all tanks are going to be using an OP item that he in particular wouldn't be able to build, he could lose that, but we'll have to see.
Sion goes OOM if you're spending 150+ mana to clear a wave. Bamis is still crucial.
Even then, what Sion isn't going to get solo killed if he wastes his W to stand in front of a bruiser and charge a Q that just gets cancelled?
Riiiight, like it was supoosed to be a tank meta for the last 3 years, bruisers will still dominate
Lmao @ "green sucks". Have you seen the win rate of that item on junglers rn
5:13 Can anyone enlighten me why is Cassio an anti-tank? like what items and runes?
Its so funny that tanks are CONSTANTLY the most broken champs and still nobody wants to play them everyone insta locks assassins and high damage champs it’s hilarious
tanks are superior
Riot smoking too much crack. What's new?
Your videos are crazy good bro
Keep up the good work
I can't wait for team mates to be removed from the game only to get flamed by the jungle monsters
This video aged like milk
I knew it all along goffy af people See tank item and go ogga bugga Tank op
All the Vayne and Fiora players in the world are jumping in joy right now.
i will re learn fiora with graps + heartsteal riot created tank meta with tank items so i create cancer meta with their items fiora bann rate will rise to 70% im sure
The worst is that they are doing this on purpose…thats how riot wants the game to be, otherwise they wouldn’t release 5 broken tank items
just a freindly reminder that rammus and mundo will become s tier champs next update, mundo will become one of the healthiest champs in game while rammus will have some of the higher health and armor values you will ever see
Honestly any Tank will be good.
Shen looks like a very solid pick, since he has a lot of items to choose from.
He can either go agressive with Heartsteel/Jak’Sho + Titanic + Sunfire or go more supportive with Radiant Virtue + Knight's Vow + Sunfire.
What’s gonna happen to mundo?
As a katarina player . The katarina on screen misplayed, when a tank with 4K hp and is 2lvls ahead of you approaches you need to Q > E > Esc> *left lick exit game OR surrender and flame ppl* :)
rather broken tanks than broken assasins
Please, Riot, STOP GIVING US DAMAGE. All tank players want is more crowd control and more survivability. We don't want to deal damage, we want to be able to force everyone on the opposing team to hit us and never die from these hits. Basically, we want Shens' taunt, but AoE and on every tank champion in the game. Idk, get introduced to Mountain Giant from Warcraft3.
The fuck are you complaining about? You're literally getting that next season.
CC - Iceborn Gauntlet.
Survivability - Jak’Sho/Radiant Virtue.
Scaling - Heartsteel.
I swear people will complain even if they get what they asked for...ridiculous.
@@walkelftexasranger fr
When I started playing this game I picked cho’gath to be my main and one trick. He’s cool and eating squishies is fun. While this isn’t a cho’gath rework, it’s close enough, can’t wait.
I honestly really love Cho gath as he is right now, with Sunfire Aegis > Demonic's Embrace, it's like the true Juggernaut of the game, extremely tanky with really really high damage but absolutely 0 mobility. I hope he stays that way.
I like to go HoB with an ap build for assassin cho gath. This might bring me back to tank for a while tho
Off topic Dong but do you think they'll ever unban the perma banned accounts from the pbe bug? Lost a 12 year old account to that and really kills motivation to play anymore.
That hasnt happened to me since I didnt play on the PBE but I heard about the news and am very surprised it hasn't been fixed. That's actually insane.
Why compare the item to Demolish and not Grasph of the Undying?
Literally the same thing. Item is just a LOT stronger.
nah this is perfect. I am tired of the same meta
ngl I built it on Vlad and got to 8k hp and 1.2k Ap, gonna be some silly times next season.
Just remove jungle
one thing to note is that they doubled the health of jungle monsters now for next season. Laners will have a hard time counter jungling
i remember in preseason 11 when everyone said tanks would be trash (then preseason released and sunfire was the most broken mythic
anything can happen tbh, lets see what happens in 12.22 :)
It's not fat, it's big bones.
the biggest issue with heart steel is that it's a power spike. It's a scaling item that also has immediate relevancy when you buy it. Something like ROA, even if it scaled infinitely, is at least bad when you first pick it up: it forces you to play for lategame. But heart steel is both a mid and lategame powerhouse.
They literally tried putting an ability on Mundo that permanently increased his max health during his rework but decided against it because it was too OP...
I cant help but think its for the pro play scene. Its common knowledge RIOT heavily skews the game to big teamfights as they are more entertaining to watch and drag out; Having more hp on carries may encourage, this but as a lol player it sucks to see.
Feels like every game at worlds so far has jsut been different teams playing the same comps. Its getting boring
Dude worlds has had so many different stuff. Have you even been watching?
@@alex2005z the wildest pick I've seen so far has been Akali
@@alexchan4819 so teemo and heimer are more normal than akali?
@@alex2005z that teemo pick is wild, slipped past me. I didn't catch all the play in games unfortunately, hell even knockout games been busy. But the pick rates speak for themselves, let alone teemo lost hard
@@alexchan4819 so whats your excuse for the heimer pick, which DRX played against EDG in the quarters? And that wasnt 1 game, it was many. Also kayn, bel... there have been multiple unusual picks, and even for meta picks you got different styles. Some junglers are picking enablers, and some carries
Hot take: Boo fucking hoo? Tanks have always been shitty ever since the Mythic update. Divine has been OPPRESSIVE for tanks, BoRK isn't a Mythic, Eclipse keeps getting buffs, Kraken is still strong, Riftmaker is decent, Liandries easily burns and chips at tanks, Demonic exists... There are a TON of anti-tank items in the game.
Tanks are now VIABLE. This makes me THRILLED.
GOOD. I am beyond tired oif getting ONESHOT. with 300 armor. JUST NO that never ever should happen. But all you carries kept quiet. Kept building LDR third item and making tanks obscenely usless to the point where sions best build was lethlality. So what did the deves do? a Bandaid. Well whoop di freaking do boys you all did it. You made tanks so obscenely bad that sthis tuff is needed. You wanna know tank presence outside of Seju and Braum this worlds? 18%/ less than Varus. AN ENTIRE ROLE, was picked less than Varus. So we are gonna enjoy this, after the 3 year long hell we ahve been trhough
That's cool, I'm just gonna vibe with my gansta Lissandra and Sylas jungle with my pokemon that give infinite mana
Still Divine Sunderer, then?
The thing about every single one of these tank mythics is that they're STILL going to be fucking terrible to play with. Maybe they'll be really oppressive in pro play, but when you're matching a bruiser mythic in lane and your item is on a cooldown longer than your ultimate for negligeable benefit, it's going to be fucking terrible. Just sit in lane trading with this item with your mythic on 1/6 this items CD and you're going to cost him more gold by just beating his head in than you're going to give him from the ~340 HP he got from like 7 procs in a 60 second fight. You can even see it in K'sante's 105 cs at 25 minutes.
Reality of this item is, even at 5k hp it's giving you only 40 hp on a 30 second CD, but you get not resists from it, so it's bad unless the tank shits on your laner, in which case he deserves to win. Even using the 125+8% value, at 3k HP that's only 36.5 hp, barely above 30 with the 7%.
F u c k off Dong Huap, you're clueless. Even if you get 1k bonus HP, with way resistance scaling works, just having defensive stats on your mythic would be as good or better late game, even if you ignore all the problems with all the new tank mythics. You're really out here losing your mind over a tank version of Mejai's, when this will likely leave tanks in a worse place than ever. Now they'll just have no mythic, maybe be forced into jungling only.
Try it on shen....
~150(q)+300 heartsteel= 400-500dmg for first auto
On top of gaining infinite hp.....
Ever since Riot played with their core items, giving mythicals, introducing more and more and more bullshit Ive been dropping out of the game. Are you wiling to keep up with +30 new broken items each year on top of new broken champions invalidating everything that you previous beloved kit/champ/items were? Fuck that! If only they took intelligent decisions instead of throwing shit hoping it sticks
See, Im brand 9 times out of 10, so also long has I can output overwhelming amount of damage and get untouched Ill be find.
*gets ganked by gragas hecarim zed and sion*
Guys for the love of god protect your Brand and the enemy with disappear.
This shit is what ADC players deal with every season. Just more and more bullshit from other classes, while our items is nerfed into oblivion because some "melee ADC" and fighters (fuck you Irelia and Katarina) abuse the shit out of them.
Vayne kog fiora and botrk stonks
"...In just a single teamfight" That's just dishonest man. Teamfights rarely last more than 1 minute, this was true even during previous tank focused metas. Great content otherwise
Cowsep's 10k Hp Chogath gets One shot by an Ap Varus. Yes Heartsteel is Broken but Max Hp % damage is.
I despise Ksante's design. He feels SO clunky. It's like if you slowed a Sett's animations by 50% but after ulting he instantly goes to 2.5 attack speed
well he was wrong no?
The tank meta is probably my favorite meta because i can just break out my favorite on hit sleepers/max hp killers... Basically vayne top.
I'd say it's good, but let's be real. Riot will nerf tanks as they always do and ADCs will find their way to cry about it until they become the best role in the game once again, just like every season. xD
After tanks being pisslow trash for so long , I don't mind the new tank meta type of approach . Although it won't really be a tank meta at all , bruisers will mostly dominate again and tanks will just become decent/good after being garbage
I don't even play toplane, but I guess I'll have to permaban mundo now. The guy deals dmg, is fast and tanky. If he starts building heartsteel the game is gg
Being in a server that is dominated by Assassins and stupid ego picking players, I honestly want them to suffer under tank mains lmao
Imma ban Vayne alot uwu
black cleaver jax darus every game next season to prevent insanity
sunderer is gonna be insane
@@kreeperkiller4423 sunderer bork cleaver every time i see something that can go tank
@@user-sz9vt4sd7y I would say "poor tanks :c" but the new item does seem super busted
Is the first K'Sante clip really a fair example of his tankiness, when all 4 champions hitting him suck at dealing damage to tanks?
Riot don't make tanks meta in preseason challenge (impossible difficulty)
Me hoping Collector gets fucking deleted from the game is my guilty pleasure. They'd be putting a lot of true damages to counter the tank meta in a few months
Good thing I just started selling iron accounts instead of playing, i don't think I could've taken another tank meta
lmao why everyone cry on that when Riot doesnt nerf the healing from Divine and makes it Grievous wound appliable on it ?
Looks like if you seen an enemy Cho'gath or sion or something, you're not playing league anymore, but instead a tower attack game.
I just hope games dont turn into everyone one-shotting eachother over and over again until the game ends
Dont worry tanks wont be the biggest problem. Its gonna be ap / ad bruisers that build full tank while still doing absurd damage
I switched to mid from ADC in season 9.
I might be switching back in season 12.
Playing tank nowdays:have 500 armor
Vi and any adc : bouta end this mans whole career
with all the max hp and current health damage in the game and the item not giving resistances it's balanced actually
E: 'kayn, cassiopeia and vayne are all going to be coming back'
yeah, like Rhaast hasn't been prevalent in soloq for the entire season, same with vayne. Cassiopeia hasn't been bad either
Why and how was cassio an anti-tank? like what runes and items?
What do you mean "new thing is you have a pet". Dont disrespect my boy feral flare like that
You know what im hyped for a tank meta its been way too long.Im probably going to hate it 2 weeks in but im hyped for now
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Higher elo players generally hate it. Lower elo players more commonly like tank metas and overall tankier game play.
you do not understand that the damage / life ratio of tanks is not proportional to the damage that a top fighters can have, that means that even if you are ahead in top sooner or later the aatrozz or olaf or darius are going to kill you and not only that they will kill everyone, you as a tank if you are lucky you could kill the adc, but the fighter will surely kill the adc, it simply not fair
i mean we're used to tanks being op at the start of each season, season 5-6 was peak teamfighting i feel, tanks were tanky and fights lasted just long enough
Bro your videos are always super fun to watch. I really appreciate all the puns that you put into it that most wouldn't understand unless they actually PLAY the game.
Could you make a documentary about the Garena (Southeast Asia) region?
ap varus laughing in the corrner of the class knowing that he dont give a fuck about enemy hp numbers
100% perfectly balanced system ready to esports
lets fucking stack
Well we're gonna see more Vayne tops now...
Vayne permaban
maokai top ftw
If it goes to tank meta, I'll be having another few years break, the broken ass bruiser items / meta is bad enough
My buddy and I have elected to just calling it "the item". It's even more busted in aram
One season they will go full Ham and swap everyones HP with AD or AP.
Red Champ fights blue champ. Is blue still broken?