"STORMCLOACKS are RACIST" from a White Chick who never plays Skyrim and other ELDER scrolls, Meanwhile The Thalmors insults every RACE and Calls for ELVEN SUPREMACY😓
The only part of the game, that slightly refers to a Stormcloak possibly being racist is, when Brunwulf Free-Winter tells the Dragonborn that, Ulfric doesn't do anything to help anyone else that isn't a Nord. But, that is only 1 character.
@@ronaldnelson6692 hes also kind of lying since ulfric welcomed the dunmer refugees from morrowind to his city with open arms. he welcomes you to his rebellion against the empire no matter what race you are including even high elves as long as theyre not thalmor obviously. the only time i remember nords ACTUALLY being racist is the 2 assholes bullying the nice dunmer lady when you first enter windhelm. i do give those 2 a good beating for it every time though. stormcloaks ive never seen being actually racist though. "skyrim belongs to the nords" isnt exactly racist in any way. god forbid they want to be in control of their own homeland.
I really really hope that Bethesda doesn’t get scared by people like her. They are the vocal minority, most people want an interesting story that doesn’t shy away from difficult topics.
I am a 67 year old granny and have been playing since 2012, I pre ordered the game. Still playing it still loving it but then I never look at life or a game through the prism of race. What a sad person and she is so young.
6:11 I love that you made this point, as a black person. I'm sure it really does hold real life parallels because to go off on Skyrim about how it's racist just gives so much chronically online virtue signaling. And we all know the true nature of most of those virtue signalers.
Its funny too me because the Nords are mostly complaining about the Dunmer refugees for Morrowind. Meanwhile Hammerfell is literally right over a Skyrim border and the Nords are so used to the RedGuards that when a whole host of Ali'Akir cross the border together, it isn't some kind of International incident. It's literally "Oh wonder what those guys are up to/need". They also let several tribes full of Orcs build holds no complaint. Meanwhile If you play a Nord in Morrowind you get crapped on by the locals more than any other race. Because the history between the two peoples is not the best. God forbid, we have some flavorful history with our Fantasy mush.
Skyrim isn't nearly as racist as Morrowind, in Morrowind they would legit call you slurs while fighting lmao. I think that as time has gone on, and Bethesda has gotten more lazy and risk averse, so too have they gotten less willing to portray fully fleshed out worlds, with all the good and bad that comes from that. Morrowind had a lot of racists, it had slavery and xenophobia, but that's part of what made it seem so real, while also being so alien. Skyrim on the other hand is really surface level, and Oblivion is downright generic, which is probably why the shivering isles is seen as the best thing about it.
Love how people always try to make the nords sound like white supremacist when elves that are far worse across the board exist in that world. Like if I had to rank them nords would be more towards the center of the rankings with high elves and dark elves fighting for 1st spot. The beast races hate each other with a passion lol. I completely agree with you I want more racism in elder scrolls games.
@ProcyonDei honestly with that encounter their accusation really turn out to be true all around. Not only is one a spy they don't contribute to the city. The high elves are treated way better cause they actually live as part of the nord society instead of isolating themselves like the dark elves there. That one high elf merchant that works with the thieves guild really points that out. Also look how well the alchemist is treated by the nords there. The cities stable master is a high elf lol. They some shitty racist lol so accepting of elves they supposedly hate with a passion.
i find nords to funnily enough be one of the least racist of all the races in the game. argonians are incredibly racist towards the dunmer, dunmer are just generally extremely racist, altmer are the most racist of all the races in elder scrolls BY FAR and its not even close. to my knowledge khajiit and imperials are probably the least racist of all. could be wrong about khajiit tho. when it comes to nords, they only really hate the aldmeri dominion and the thalmor, and even thats mostly because they hate nords and definitely treat them accordingly. but if youre high elf and not affiliated with the dominion, most nords dont mind. bosmer i have no clue if theyre racist or not
one thins a lot of people miss about the Windhelm scene is that dark elf lady is racist to the Argonians calling them lazy and useless, and she their boss at the docks.
All i can do is laugh at those type of people 😂😂 it's just an insane delusional take to have without knowing anything. This is why LORE is important ladies and gentlemen
Yeah, some guy who was just good at fighting. He didn't have a gift from one god, and attain his own godhood through mantling the sphere of a dead god.
All the races in the game display some racism. It is debatable what race Talos even was and may have been three different men. Probably the most racist faction is the Thalmor as they view everyone inferior to them including other elves, even other altmer. It is just a game and we don't get to make decisons on a grander scale even though we know the backstory of the underside of the game as both sides of the civil war are being played by the Thalmor. We can't tell anyone that Torryg was considering joining Ulfric and he did worship Talos as well or Ulfric is a damaged man by his journal we can find that shows the Thalmor are playing both sides against each other. Just the same we can't argue facts with Delphine that the Greybeards don't want you to follow their ways because they worship Kyne while you are there under the guidance of Akatosh. The choice just isn't there. The game wants you to have shades of grey with most choices as that is how they roll with this game. In the end both sides have good points and bad. I believe that Ulfric's worst polices come from Galmor talking in his ear all day as that is his brother bulying the dark elves. Ulfric's father welcomed the Dark Elves with open arms and hospitality because of Red Mountain.
Great point, the lore is extremely important although I don’t think this women has even cared for the lore clearly😂 she doesn’t even know where Skyrim is on Tamriel. It’s people like her that ruin new games by scaring spineless devs into ruining lore and immersion by implementing bullshit political agendas into games. It’s actually unhinged to be offended by a god damn fantasy game😂
I play as a white nord, and guess what argonians and orcs say to me. Argonions in the windhelm docs: "we dont have much love for your kind" Orcs in the stronghold:" your kind isn't welcome here" There is racism and prejudice in almost in ALL the races in skyrim but she immediately goes after white men as if only they can be the perpetrators of racism. Isn't that racist itself? To assume someone must be racist just cause they are white? That they must think a certain way or act a certain way because of their race? That IS racism.and also how the thalmor ARE supremacists themselves, Cleary this woman doesn't have a clue about what she's talking about,
since im too young to have seen the 1940s, every single one of the absolute most racist people ive seen or met in my life have been the so called "anti-racists" and dei-pushing woke cultists. most vile, hateful and racist people that i know of. the only more racist stuff than the vitriol the woke cultists spew out of their mouths is probably edgy 7th graders (13-14yo) who arent even racist but they just say super racist shit because they think its funny. when i was 13 we used to call each other the n word all the time with our black friends too and we all had fun
The girl looks and talks like a naive high-elf citizen who has never visited anywhere other than Summerset Isles-her home country. And doesn't know anything about Skyrim other than what she has heard from Aldmeri dominion sources. Back to real life from fantasy scenario: it is clear that she has played Skyrim only few hours or maybe just watched some gameplay videos. Edit: ”I'm a fan of skyrim gameS” Wow!!! Thanks for making us good laugh.
She'd be right alongside a Thalmor patrol, throwing rotten eggs at the poor Nord farmer being hauled off to torture, for the crime of wearing a Talos necklace.
snow elves tried genociding the nord fleeing Atmora so even tho their not native the Nord have more right to it then at least the still living races. as for dwemer they could care less about who lives on the surface, plus Dwemer are not native either dwemer orginated in Morrowind and spread across to Skyrim then Hammerfell.
Outstanding. YES, Skyrim is racist and not in a small way... The Thalmor ae racist to anyone who isn't a Thalmor. the high Elves are racist to anyone who isn't a High elf, the Redguard ae racist to the Thalmor invaders of Hammefell, the Ancient Falmer were racist to the Nord refugees from ice covered Atmora, the Dwemer were racist to the Ancient Thalmor and used them for mad science experiments, Bosmer kill and eat non Bosmer in their woods, Nords hate the pointy ears, because of the war that lead to the ban on Talos, Imperials are racist to Nords for being Talos worshiping rebel scumt, NOBODY Nord or Imperial trusts Bretons because of the High Elf taint in their blood. The least problematic ae the Orcs, they will fight for anyone who can pay, and the Khajit, who will sell to (and steal from) anyone who isn't a Khajit. Just imagine how DULL Skyrim would be if everybody just got along, and sang Kumbaya around the campfire while holding hands. I wouldn't have spent 1600 hours in a Skyrim that this pseudo-intellectual Social Justice Worrier wants.
These people are killing both roleplay and worldbuilding, my god. Cant have anything that's slightly insensitive because you arent allowed to make up your own mind on fictional topics. Skyrim has racism because that's the world they wanted to set. If you as the player don't like the racism against the bretons for example then that's good, that's what they wanted to show. Its so tiresome, and whats worse is that bethesda will probably take this "feedback" when they make ES6 just based on how they handled worldbuilding in Starfield.
Skyrim has racism, because it has multiple races. You cannot legitimately create a believable world, without conflict. Utopia is boring. If you create a believable world with multiple races, you must allow for interracial conflict, because outside of a boring, unbelievable "utopia", it's going to happen. In an all white British Isles, there was racism against Welsh people. Humans (and humanoids written by humans) are a cantankerous lot.
....Are the people who are saying this trying to compare the actual different races of Tamriel who all have different mystic origin stories and do not necessarily share common ancestors, with Earth Humans? because that would be Idiotic.
Unfortunately to a certain group of people, pretty much anything that their krazy-kommie-kult hasn’t officially deemed as “not ray-cyst,” they’ll cry that it’s wray-sis-um. And I’m not joking or exaggerating in the least when i refer to them as being in a cult. That is precisely what these Rae’s-is-mmm criers are involved in.
“Pro-colonization???” I remember a wildly different theme with the empire and the rebellion, a theme that would have you think the opposite of “pro-colonization.”
Well the game has every right to be considering it has actually different races in which to fight amongst one another with. It's also fantasy so if you (the lady) are going to take it so close to heart. Don't. Dummy.
Morrowind: play as a racist Dark Elf Oblivion: Play as a racist Imperial Skyrim: Play as a racist Nord I can't wait to play as a racist Red Guard in Hammerfell
As a Redguard supporter, there are no racist Redguards, only based and Chad Redguards and lower races like Weak Sellout Imperial or Drunk Illiterate Hooligan Nord. 😀
They did make the Dunmer pretty ugly, but they also made the game moddable. Fix your "ugly elf" problem with Ethereal Elven Overhaul and many others, that make the elves look better, but aren't over the top. Yeah, not to mention that the Empire wanted to look the other way with regards to Talos worship. Without the Markarth Incident things would have been fine. You really have a point about some of the things some mods contain. If she doesn't like the game she shouldn't play it, or she should mod it to her liking. If she thinks the Nords are racist, she should look further into the Dunmer and Altmer.
So, the fantasy genre (as a whole) has recently been grappling with it's connections to racism. No one is saying that that fantasy is inherently racist, or anyone who writes fantasy is, but the genre has predominantly pulled on human history for reference and when you look back at all human history: it's fraught with racism. As a result, many fictional fantasy writers dive face first into this topic as a cheap excuse to explore modern day politics. It's definitely a trope of the genre, and Skyrim is a great example of it. Skyrim- like many fantasy stories- doesn't handle it's racism particularly gracefully, it doesn't impact the story or gameplay, and there really is no point to it other than to somewhat halfheartedly justify a player picking the imperials and add a pretty shallow attempt at narrative/world depth (see: no impact on story or gameplay). All this said, the debate online right now is: if you're not going to have anything meaningful or nuanced to say about racism, why make people role play it? Just keep it out of your stories and stop using a messed up part of history as an excuse to sneak edge-lord racist content into your bad narrative to try to make them seem deeper than they are. I don't think this influencer is necessarily hitting on this point though, she seems to be glossing over that and just trying to put Skyrim on blast to an audience who've all already agreed about this online.
I understand where you are coming from, but I have to disagree. The reason why prejudice is so prevalent in fantasy worlds is because it makes sense. If humans are so shallow that just a shade darker skin color of someone that looks almost exactly like you can make you hate them, then it would make sense for races that are not even the same species would be prejudice against one another. If you see how racist and bigoted the Nords are towards the dark elves and it doesn't turn you off to them, you are not grasping the concept. In Morrowind, if you do not see how horrible races that are not Dunmer are treated (like literal enslavement of Argonians), and do not see the injustice of that then it is your fault. We are not in contact with alien civilizations, so we just have to assume that fantasy and sci-fi cultures would act the same as us. It creates tension in these fantasy worlds, but it is not the main focus. It adds to the world building of the game, since it would make zero sense if everyone loved each other and sang Kumbaya. As you mentioned, however, Skyrim kinda sucked at portraying this. Yes the prejudice affects NPCs, but not the player character. Like the OP of this video points out, if you played a Khajit and they would not allow you to come into Hold cities, then you would realize, "Hey, maybe these Stormcloaks ARE bigots and I should not side with them." Then you could compare this situation to that of real life. "I got so mad at my video game character experienced racism, I cannot imagine people in real life that had to go through this same thing." This helps people grasp this concept people still experience today when otherwise they would not have cared.
Half of your points are wrong. They never used it to talk about modern politics at all. So that is false. Secondly, Racism has always been apart of the Elder Scrolls. So how are they suddenly using it here, when it is just a poor continuation of it in this installment. How does that make it cheaply used, as if they just threw it in there, and if wasn’t already baked in from previous titles. Honestly you sound just like her. Trying to sound smart, and mature, but utterly missing reality.
While I agree that most of her arguments are ragebait nonsense, saying "that's just what they look like" is *not* a good counter argument. They're not real people, these races were designed by humans so those designs can absolutely be criticised.
How did this girl get to the point of swearing fealty to Ulfric Stormcloak without clocking onto the fact that there's an assload of racism in the Stormcloaks? STORMCLOAK PLAYERS, SETTLE DOWN FOR A SECOND! I have more to say on the matter... Yes, there's racism in the Stormcloak ranks, AND you can still feel it's the better choice without being a villain worth verbal slaughter, because that's just their draw back. The Empire's main drawback is imperialism, because duh. The Stormcloaks have some incredibly kind and welcoming characters involved with them. The Empire has some incredibly racist and nasty characters involved with them. But over-all, the Stormcloaks lean heavy into the themes of being racist, and the Imperials lead heavy into the imperialism. If either side was entirely good, it wouldn't be much of a choice once you were clued in, would it? In fact, the entire game makes you choose what kind of butthole you want to lick, and nobody has washed their nethers in years. If you can't accept the drawback of your pick, I fear you may be missing something incredibly poignant and you should try to replay the quests under the impression you're making a flawed decision, but it's the best one you can make. Really changes how things hit you when you stop trying to validate your decision beyond that.
I went to this person's account (I wanted to see what the comments were like at the source, I don't actually have an account with which to harass anyone, and also I'm not a creep) and I could not find this particular video. I hope she realized how her take was reductive and removed it of her own accord, and she wasn't harassed over this and felt the need to remove the content from that. She is clearly passionate about her fandoms and is unapologetically enjoying fan-created content, she doesn't seem like a bad person, she just seems like she didn't pick up Elder Scrolls as one of those fandoms and is only the most mildly aware of Skyrim itself after looking at some of her content. Which is a shame. Because from what I see, she would LOVE some of the things that are actually in Skyrim.
I'm pro-Empire, but I don't think Stormies are racist (some are, but the leaders aren't). What I do think is that Ulfric is massively incompetent and a moron and Galmar can barely speak considering how stupid he is. I remember in a playthrough him saying he'd rather fight as a soldier than do all the general stuff, like planning and commanding. And I was thinking: by the 9, these morons wouldn't stand a chance without me. The only time it felt racist-ey, besides that Windhelm entrance scene, was when one guy in Falkreath, the guy with the mill, told me something like "I don't know why we let foreigners like you come here." THIS after I had won the Civil War, single handedly, for his precious Ulfric. I mean, my character did the work and this human dumpster has the nerve to act like he owns the place, when all he did was what? Cut logs? He mysteriously died in unspecified circumstances later that evening. To this day, investigators can't explain how anyone can commit self-murder with 40 stab wounds in the back. It's a mystery. 😀
Do generally agree with what you had to say, a few points at which I dont though. Imo (and certainly for the causal player) the Thalmor are not present enough in persecuting Talos worship in the game world. Of course there are the interactions the player can have, but there is otherwise (and even including player interaction) little evidence of their persecution. It appears as a secondary element of the world rather than the central pillar of existing political conflict. Also, I do think there is "political discourse" in Skyrim (as you mention when talking about expectations). It would be incredibly difficult to build a compelling story which had no political content and further it would be very difficult to construct such a story which had no parallel (even vague) to the real world. It is, in my opinion, absurd to imagine Skyrim manages this. It does deal with political themes and that is fine. (At the very least, by your own admission, it deals with themes of race and religion both of which are highly political). (Also also genuinely interested as to what real parallels you mention at 6:25) Just to reiterate, enjoyed (and agreed with the majority of) the video thanks
I think there is enough evidence of persecution, BUT the important thing is to make it subtle. It makes sense that whatever persecution there is, it's hidden from the public eye. Consider this: Skyrim is still part of the Empire and they are foreigners enforcing a treaty, so they can't be seen openly imposing their will on the population. They're already pushing the boundary with what you see, their troops escorting prisoners. But they need to act covertly. This is why that Gray Mane old lady doesn't know where her son is. This is why Ondolemar in Markarth asks you to investigate a Talos worshipper and find his amulet. This is why there are characters who disappear if you side with the Empire during the Civil War or at least they stop doing what they were doing. I think this is a better choice, in terms of atmosphere, to have this uncertainty of being watched by the Thalmor, this uncertainty who's next to disappear. This uncertainty leads to fear and that's how dictatorships operate. I've lived in a dictatorship (I'm Eastern European) and the terror wasn't visible, it was covert. It was a general sense of unease, even though on the surface everything could look normal. It was the unspoken, not what was said openly that caused that fear. It wasn't Militia or secret police troops marching in parade, but a knock on the door that kept you up in the middle of the night.
Always looking for racism in the wrong place, yes nords are light skinned who don't alwways trust other racists, and some nords are racist, doesn't make the Game racist, although even when I played the Nord I couldn't support the Stormcloaks, also there is a brutal History of what the elves did to all the humans, the red guards ae still fighting the aldvaeri dominion, they are not trusted in skyrym and it's not about Race, there is a Blacksmith in Dawnstar who married a Female Red guard, Nords have trouble trusting outsiders.
The game itself isn't racist and nor do I think Stormies are racist. At least not Ulfric. However, Ulfric is massively incompetent and a moron played by the Thalmor like a fiddle. He can't even manage a city, but wants to be High King. And Redguards are my favourite race (so I don't know what she's talking about when she mentions rendering, it looks great to me). I love their lore and their ethos. Unlike the weak sauce Nords and Imperials, Redguards actually beat the Thalmor.
I don’t think the game on itself is racist. As a matter of fact you can roleplay the way you want. However you made a mistake as the nord are not even indigenous to Skyrim. The natives are the snowelves and to some extend the forsworns
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No it is NOT racist. The game portrays racism but does NOT promote it. There IS a difference you know.
There's nothing wrong with a bit of raccism anyway.
That's too much nuance.
Lmao tell me you've never played Skyrim without saying you've never played Skyrim, ok lady
My big boobied dunmer character would disagree would disagree that darker skinned characters look good
If you think Skyrim is rcist, then you haven't played Morrowind..
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@@sit-insforsithis1568 N'wah
Even fellow Dunmer are not safe from those island dwelling Dunmer those Dunmer be spiting fire.
In Oblivion a guard called me "pond scum"
"STORMCLOACKS are RACIST" from a White Chick who never plays Skyrim and other ELDER scrolls, Meanwhile The Thalmors insults every RACE and Calls for ELVEN SUPREMACY😓
They do? I didn't know that. In my game Thalmor scum don't live enough to open their mouths. 😀 I'm a simple man, I see Thalmor, I kill.
Not to mention the Dunmer aren't exactly innocent. Just ask the farm too... I mean Argonians 😂
The only part of the game, that slightly refers to a Stormcloak possibly being racist is, when Brunwulf Free-Winter tells the Dragonborn that, Ulfric doesn't do anything to help anyone else that isn't a Nord. But, that is only 1 character.
@@ronaldnelson6692 hes also kind of lying since ulfric welcomed the dunmer refugees from morrowind to his city with open arms. he welcomes you to his rebellion against the empire no matter what race you are including even high elves as long as theyre not thalmor obviously. the only time i remember nords ACTUALLY being racist is the 2 assholes bullying the nice dunmer lady when you first enter windhelm. i do give those 2 a good beating for it every time though. stormcloaks ive never seen being actually racist though. "skyrim belongs to the nords" isnt exactly racist in any way. god forbid they want to be in control of their own homeland.
I really really hope that Bethesda doesn’t get scared by people like her. They are the vocal minority, most people want an interesting story that doesn’t shy away from difficult topics.
I hate scum bags like this. This is why games have turned to shit.
Oh look, another person offended by a game in 2024. Anyway
Yeah, especially a game from 2011. Some people need time to process things :D
Racism? In my fantasy game? It's more likely than you think.
I am a 67 year old granny and have been playing since 2012, I pre ordered the game. Still playing it still loving it but then I never look at life or a game through the prism of race. What a sad person and she is so young.
when that gender studies degree isn't landing you a job
6:11
I love that you made this point, as a black person. I'm sure it really does hold real life parallels because to go off on Skyrim about how it's racist just gives so much chronically online virtue signaling. And we all know the true nature of most of those virtue signalers.
Its funny too me because the Nords are mostly complaining about the Dunmer refugees for Morrowind. Meanwhile Hammerfell is literally right over a Skyrim border and the Nords are so used to the RedGuards that when a whole host of Ali'Akir cross the border together, it isn't some kind of International incident. It's literally "Oh wonder what those guys are up to/need". They also let several tribes full of Orcs build holds no complaint. Meanwhile If you play a Nord in Morrowind you get crapped on by the locals more than any other race. Because the history between the two peoples is not the best. God forbid, we have some flavorful history with our Fantasy mush.
Skyrim isn't nearly as racist as Morrowind, in Morrowind they would legit call you slurs while fighting lmao. I think that as time has gone on, and Bethesda has gotten more lazy and risk averse, so too have they gotten less willing to portray fully fleshed out worlds, with all the good and bad that comes from that. Morrowind had a lot of racists, it had slavery and xenophobia, but that's part of what made it seem so real, while also being so alien. Skyrim on the other hand is really surface level, and Oblivion is downright generic, which is probably why the shivering isles is seen as the best thing about it.
What actually makes the magnifying glass? Is it manually inserted or does RUclips do it?
Love how people always try to make the nords sound like white supremacist when elves that are far worse across the board exist in that world. Like if I had to rank them nords would be more towards the center of the rankings with high elves and dark elves fighting for 1st spot. The beast races hate each other with a passion lol. I completely agree with you I want more racism in elder scrolls games.
@ProcyonDei honestly with that encounter their accusation really turn out to be true all around. Not only is one a spy they don't contribute to the city. The high elves are treated way better cause they actually live as part of the nord society instead of isolating themselves like the dark elves there. That one high elf merchant that works with the thieves guild really points that out. Also look how well the alchemist is treated by the nords there. The cities stable master is a high elf lol. They some shitty racist lol so accepting of elves they supposedly hate with a passion.
i find nords to funnily enough be one of the least racist of all the races in the game. argonians are incredibly racist towards the dunmer, dunmer are just generally extremely racist, altmer are the most racist of all the races in elder scrolls BY FAR and its not even close. to my knowledge khajiit and imperials are probably the least racist of all. could be wrong about khajiit tho. when it comes to nords, they only really hate the aldmeri dominion and the thalmor, and even thats mostly because they hate nords and definitely treat them accordingly. but if youre high elf and not affiliated with the dominion, most nords dont mind. bosmer i have no clue if theyre racist or not
I love how that girl is talking about the “white” characters not knowing that khajiit is probably one of the most chosen races 😂
one thins a lot of people miss about the Windhelm scene is that dark elf lady is racist to the Argonians calling them lazy and useless, and she their boss at the docks.
As a morrowind fan Skyrim isn’t racist the nords are fighting the colonizers but not using farm tools for what their for
These are the types of people why companies now don't take risk is narrative of video games and go safe. Because racism made Skyrim a lot more fun.
Her first piece of evidence just sounds more like a skill issue
All i can do is laugh at those type of people 😂😂 it's just an insane delusional take to have without knowing anything. This is why LORE is important ladies and gentlemen
Sad to say, this young lady screams tourist.
It has less racism than previous games these damn nwah
She deleted the video LMAO
Yeah, some guy who was just good at fighting. He didn't have a gift from one god, and attain his own godhood through mantling the sphere of a dead god.
All the races in the game display some racism. It is debatable what race Talos even was and may have been three different men. Probably the most racist faction is the Thalmor as they view everyone inferior to them including other elves, even other altmer. It is just a game and we don't get to make decisons on a grander scale even though we know the backstory of the underside of the game as both sides of the civil war are being played by the Thalmor. We can't tell anyone that Torryg was considering joining Ulfric and he did worship Talos as well or Ulfric is a damaged man by his journal we can find that shows the Thalmor are playing both sides against each other. Just the same we can't argue facts with Delphine that the Greybeards don't want you to follow their ways because they worship Kyne while you are there under the guidance of Akatosh. The choice just isn't there. The game wants you to have shades of grey with most choices as that is how they roll with this game. In the end both sides have good points and bad. I believe that Ulfric's worst polices come from Galmor talking in his ear all day as that is his brother bulying the dark elves. Ulfric's father welcomed the Dark Elves with open arms and hospitality because of Red Mountain.
Great point, the lore is extremely important although I don’t think this women has even cared for the lore clearly😂 she doesn’t even know where Skyrim is on Tamriel. It’s people like her that ruin new games by scaring spineless devs into ruining lore and immersion by implementing bullshit political agendas into games. It’s actually unhinged to be offended by a god damn fantasy game😂
I play as a white nord, and guess what argonians and orcs say to me.
Argonions in the windhelm docs: "we dont have much love for your kind"
Orcs in the stronghold:" your kind isn't welcome here"
There is racism and prejudice in almost in ALL the races in skyrim but she immediately goes after white men as if only they can be the perpetrators of racism. Isn't that racist itself? To assume someone must be racist just cause they are white? That they must think a certain way or act a certain way because of their race? That IS racism.and also how the thalmor ARE supremacists themselves, Cleary this woman doesn't have a clue about what she's talking about,
since im too young to have seen the 1940s, every single one of the absolute most racist people ive seen or met in my life have been the so called "anti-racists" and dei-pushing woke cultists. most vile, hateful and racist people that i know of. the only more racist stuff than the vitriol the woke cultists spew out of their mouths is probably edgy 7th graders (13-14yo) who arent even racist but they just say super racist shit because they think its funny. when i was 13 we used to call each other the n word all the time with our black friends too and we all had fun
The "2 Races"she refered to are Redgaurd and Breton i believe. I always pixk Breton and make them look like redguard.
The girl looks and talks like a naive high-elf citizen who has never visited anywhere other than Summerset Isles-her home country. And doesn't know anything about Skyrim other than what she has heard from Aldmeri dominion sources. Back to real life from fantasy scenario: it is clear that she has played Skyrim only few hours or maybe just watched some gameplay videos.
Edit: ”I'm a fan of skyrim gameS” Wow!!! Thanks for making us good laugh.
In the Lore, Yes
But it’s not Racist or Pro-Colonialism
She sends hate to us, but we gotta be the better people and not return it?
Happy almost ten k good job
Some people’s kids.
She is so wrong it’s embarrassing
Thanks to the skyrim modder for making other character than white men look good, now white women also look good... A bit too good... Oh god no...
Of course this silly woman would be anti Stormcloak lol
She'd be right alongside a Thalmor patrol, throwing rotten eggs at the poor Nord farmer being hauled off to torture, for the crime of wearing a Talos necklace.
@@keithsavagelives Oh for sure. She'd be all "Talos isn't even a real divine, bro".
I would just like to point out that the Nords aren’t native to Skyrim… Snow elves and the Dwemer are native
snow elves tried genociding the nord fleeing Atmora so even tho their not native the Nord have more right to it then at least the still living races.
as for dwemer they could care less about who lives on the surface, plus Dwemer are not native either dwemer orginated in Morrowind and spread across to Skyrim then Hammerfell.
skyrim belongs to the nords
I think it is rage bait, if so it's bury funny desu
Outstanding. YES, Skyrim is racist and not in a small way...
The Thalmor ae racist to anyone who isn't a Thalmor. the high Elves are racist to anyone who isn't a High elf, the Redguard ae racist to the Thalmor invaders of Hammefell, the Ancient Falmer were racist to the Nord refugees from ice covered Atmora, the Dwemer were racist to the Ancient Thalmor and used them for mad science experiments, Bosmer kill and eat non Bosmer in their woods, Nords hate the pointy ears, because of the war that lead to the ban on Talos, Imperials are racist to Nords for being Talos worshiping rebel scumt, NOBODY Nord or Imperial trusts Bretons because of the High Elf taint in their blood.
The least problematic ae the Orcs, they will fight for anyone who can pay, and the Khajit, who will sell to (and steal from) anyone who isn't a Khajit.
Just imagine how DULL Skyrim would be if everybody just got along, and sang Kumbaya around the campfire while holding hands.
I wouldn't have spent 1600 hours in a Skyrim that this pseudo-intellectual Social Justice Worrier wants.
Skyrim isn't racist, it depicts racism. The game doesn't promote it. If anything it uses it to present a moral decision to the player.
"We're not worthy!" 😂 Preach.
Thanks for you opinions on racism in a fantasy game, white woman wearing white sitting on plain white bed sheets in an undecorated white room
"He united Tamriel under the Imperial flag is what he did! And in this house Tiber Septim is a hero, END OF STORY!"
These people are killing both roleplay and worldbuilding, my god. Cant have anything that's slightly insensitive because you arent allowed to make up your own mind on fictional topics. Skyrim has racism because that's the world they wanted to set. If you as the player don't like the racism against the bretons for example then that's good, that's what they wanted to show.
Its so tiresome, and whats worse is that bethesda will probably take this "feedback" when they make ES6 just based on how they handled worldbuilding in Starfield.
Skyrim has racism, because it has multiple races. You cannot legitimately create a believable world, without conflict. Utopia is boring. If you create a believable world with multiple races, you must allow for interracial conflict, because outside of a boring, unbelievable "utopia", it's going to happen. In an all white British Isles, there was racism against Welsh people. Humans (and humanoids written by humans) are a cantankerous lot.
Makes me wonder why I even bother using the internet. The more I learn about the world, the less I want to be a part of it.
....Are the people who are saying this trying to compare the actual different races of Tamriel who all have different mystic origin stories and do not necessarily share common ancestors, with Earth Humans? because that would be Idiotic.
Funny, you don't see Nords hauling Thalmor off to torture rooms, even after they win the civil war... ! Yet it's the Nords she calls racist.
She knows nothing of my Dunmer Supremacy would never acknowledge it, the S'wit.
Unfortunately to a certain group of people, pretty much anything that their krazy-kommie-kult hasn’t officially deemed as “not ray-cyst,” they’ll cry that it’s wray-sis-um. And I’m not joking or exaggerating in the least when i refer to them as being in a cult. That is precisely what these Rae’s-is-mmm criers are involved in.
Man I can’t wait for Skyrim VI: The Elders where all the races are exactly the same and there is no lore difference or tension between any of them!
Racism isnt a problem in this game. It's a *feature.*
“Pro-colonization???” I remember a wildly different theme with the empire and the rebellion, a theme that would have you think the opposite of “pro-colonization.”
Now the adults are in charge, can we cancel these mental cases now?
Well the game has every right to be considering it has actually different races in which to fight amongst one another with. It's also fantasy so if you (the lady) are going to take it so close to heart. Don't.
Dummy.
Where's this lady's steam account? I wanna see the hours put into Skyrim just to make s TikTok crying about "muh' isms" in a fantasy video game.lmao.
alternate title: Gigachad clowns on woman
Sounds like she is a real life High Elf. She is part of the Altmer.
Crazy how confident she is in the bs she is spitting out.
Jokes on her, im pro clean water 💧🚰🚿
Anybody know the name for the background music he used?
From the beginning of the video
Morrowind: play as a racist Dark Elf
Oblivion: Play as a racist Imperial
Skyrim: Play as a racist Nord
I can't wait to play as a racist Red Guard in Hammerfell
As a Redguard supporter, there are no racist Redguards, only based and Chad Redguards and lower races like Weak Sellout Imperial or Drunk Illiterate Hooligan Nord. 😀
They did make the Dunmer pretty ugly, but they also made the game moddable. Fix your "ugly elf" problem with Ethereal Elven Overhaul and many others, that make the elves look better, but aren't over the top. Yeah, not to mention that the Empire wanted to look the other way with regards to Talos worship. Without the Markarth Incident things would have been fine.
You really have a point about some of the things some mods contain. If she doesn't like the game she shouldn't play it, or she should mod it to her liking.
If she thinks the Nords are racist, she should look further into the Dunmer and Altmer.
So, the fantasy genre (as a whole) has recently been grappling with it's connections to racism. No one is saying that that fantasy is inherently racist, or anyone who writes fantasy is, but the genre has predominantly pulled on human history for reference and when you look back at all human history: it's fraught with racism. As a result, many fictional fantasy writers dive face first into this topic as a cheap excuse to explore modern day politics. It's definitely a trope of the genre, and Skyrim is a great example of it.
Skyrim- like many fantasy stories- doesn't handle it's racism particularly gracefully, it doesn't impact the story or gameplay, and there really is no point to it other than to somewhat halfheartedly justify a player picking the imperials and add a pretty shallow attempt at narrative/world depth (see: no impact on story or gameplay).
All this said, the debate online right now is: if you're not going to have anything meaningful or nuanced to say about racism, why make people role play it? Just keep it out of your stories and stop using a messed up part of history as an excuse to sneak edge-lord racist content into your bad narrative to try to make them seem deeper than they are. I don't think this influencer is necessarily hitting on this point though, she seems to be glossing over that and just trying to put Skyrim on blast to an audience who've all already agreed about this online.
I understand where you are coming from, but I have to disagree. The reason why prejudice is so prevalent in fantasy worlds is because it makes sense. If humans are so shallow that just a shade darker skin color of someone that looks almost exactly like you can make you hate them, then it would make sense for races that are not even the same species would be prejudice against one another. If you see how racist and bigoted the Nords are towards the dark elves and it doesn't turn you off to them, you are not grasping the concept. In Morrowind, if you do not see how horrible races that are not Dunmer are treated (like literal enslavement of Argonians), and do not see the injustice of that then it is your fault. We are not in contact with alien civilizations, so we just have to assume that fantasy and sci-fi cultures would act the same as us.
It creates tension in these fantasy worlds, but it is not the main focus. It adds to the world building of the game, since it would make zero sense if everyone loved each other and sang Kumbaya. As you mentioned, however, Skyrim kinda sucked at portraying this. Yes the prejudice affects NPCs, but not the player character. Like the OP of this video points out, if you played a Khajit and they would not allow you to come into Hold cities, then you would realize, "Hey, maybe these Stormcloaks ARE bigots and I should not side with them." Then you could compare this situation to that of real life. "I got so mad at my video game character experienced racism, I cannot imagine people in real life that had to go through this same thing." This helps people grasp this concept people still experience today when otherwise they would not have cared.
Half of your points are wrong. They never used it to talk about modern politics at all. So that is false. Secondly, Racism has always been apart of the Elder Scrolls. So how are they suddenly using it here, when it is just a poor continuation of it in this installment. How does that make it cheaply used, as if they just threw it in there, and if wasn’t already baked in from previous titles. Honestly you sound just like her. Trying to sound smart, and mature, but utterly missing reality.
I’m Indian and I like Skyrim.
While I agree that most of her arguments are ragebait nonsense, saying "that's just what they look like" is *not* a good counter argument. They're not real people, these races were designed by humans so those designs can absolutely be criticised.
Always has been 🔫
...as racist on alt as he was on main....
It is racist but it’s white peoples (nords) native land so it’s different than Americans being racist because it’s not native white land
Racism in Skyrim is a problem? I thought it was a feature.
To me this looks like a rage bait
Skyrim isn’t racist just the storm cloaks. And it’s very obvious they aren’t the bad guys neither side is, but they are definitely in the wrong.
Yes it is and that's one of the reasons why is so good
This gotta be ragebait man. Even my brother who never played Skyrim can disprove some of her claims
this has to be satire, surely.
Makes me want to play it .
100% Entitlement and feeling
0% Facts
People need to stop making everything political. Just be quiet and enjoy a good video game.
How did this girl get to the point of swearing fealty to Ulfric Stormcloak without clocking onto the fact that there's an assload of racism in the Stormcloaks?
STORMCLOAK PLAYERS, SETTLE DOWN FOR A SECOND! I have more to say on the matter... Yes, there's racism in the Stormcloak ranks, AND you can still feel it's the better choice without being a villain worth verbal slaughter, because that's just their draw back. The Empire's main drawback is imperialism, because duh. The Stormcloaks have some incredibly kind and welcoming characters involved with them. The Empire has some incredibly racist and nasty characters involved with them. But over-all, the Stormcloaks lean heavy into the themes of being racist, and the Imperials lead heavy into the imperialism. If either side was entirely good, it wouldn't be much of a choice once you were clued in, would it? In fact, the entire game makes you choose what kind of butthole you want to lick, and nobody has washed their nethers in years. If you can't accept the drawback of your pick, I fear you may be missing something incredibly poignant and you should try to replay the quests under the impression you're making a flawed decision, but it's the best one you can make. Really changes how things hit you when you stop trying to validate your decision beyond that.
I went to this person's account (I wanted to see what the comments were like at the source, I don't actually have an account with which to harass anyone, and also I'm not a creep) and I could not find this particular video. I hope she realized how her take was reductive and removed it of her own accord, and she wasn't harassed over this and felt the need to remove the content from that. She is clearly passionate about her fandoms and is unapologetically enjoying fan-created content, she doesn't seem like a bad person, she just seems like she didn't pick up Elder Scrolls as one of those fandoms and is only the most mildly aware of Skyrim itself after looking at some of her content. Which is a shame. Because from what I see, she would LOVE some of the things that are actually in Skyrim.
The stormcloaks arent racist though
@@leonrussell9607 I'm so sorry you've decided to sooth yourself over everything else. You could have so many new experiences if you let that go.
@@YourWaywardDestiny I'm gonna pound you
I'm pro-Empire, but I don't think Stormies are racist (some are, but the leaders aren't). What I do think is that Ulfric is massively incompetent and a moron and Galmar can barely speak considering how stupid he is. I remember in a playthrough him saying he'd rather fight as a soldier than do all the general stuff, like planning and commanding. And I was thinking: by the 9, these morons wouldn't stand a chance without me. The only time it felt racist-ey, besides that Windhelm entrance scene, was when one guy in Falkreath, the guy with the mill, told me something like "I don't know why we let foreigners like you come here." THIS after I had won the Civil War, single handedly, for his precious Ulfric. I mean, my character did the work and this human dumpster has the nerve to act like he owns the place, when all he did was what? Cut logs? He mysteriously died in unspecified circumstances later that evening. To this day, investigators can't explain how anyone can commit self-murder with 40 stab wounds in the back. It's a mystery. 😀
So what’s if it’s racist.
I don’t see the problem 😌
The wrong side of the right side
I love all the races but the Breton is the best I love the imperials better armor is the best
I love Redguards and Bretons the most.
yes thats kind of the point of the game
Did she even play the same game 🤣?
Its a fantasy game ffs!
Do generally agree with what you had to say, a few points at which I dont though.
Imo (and certainly for the causal player) the Thalmor are not present enough in persecuting Talos worship in the game world. Of course there are the interactions the player can have, but there is otherwise (and even including player interaction) little evidence of their persecution. It appears as a secondary element of the world rather than the central pillar of existing political conflict.
Also, I do think there is "political discourse" in Skyrim (as you mention when talking about expectations). It would be incredibly difficult to build a compelling story which had no political content and further it would be very difficult to construct such a story which had no parallel (even vague) to the real world. It is, in my opinion, absurd to imagine Skyrim manages this. It does deal with political themes and that is fine. (At the very least, by your own admission, it deals with themes of race and religion both of which are highly political).
(Also also genuinely interested as to what real parallels you mention at 6:25)
Just to reiterate, enjoyed (and agreed with the majority of) the video thanks
I think there is enough evidence of persecution, BUT the important thing is to make it subtle. It makes sense that whatever persecution there is, it's hidden from the public eye. Consider this: Skyrim is still part of the Empire and they are foreigners enforcing a treaty, so they can't be seen openly imposing their will on the population. They're already pushing the boundary with what you see, their troops escorting prisoners. But they need to act covertly. This is why that Gray Mane old lady doesn't know where her son is. This is why Ondolemar in Markarth asks you to investigate a Talos worshipper and find his amulet. This is why there are characters who disappear if you side with the Empire during the Civil War or at least they stop doing what they were doing.
I think this is a better choice, in terms of atmosphere, to have this uncertainty of being watched by the Thalmor, this uncertainty who's next to disappear. This uncertainty leads to fear and that's how dictatorships operate. I've lived in a dictatorship (I'm Eastern European) and the terror wasn't visible, it was covert. It was a general sense of unease, even though on the surface everything could look normal. It was the unspoken, not what was said openly that caused that fear. It wasn't Militia or secret police troops marching in parade, but a knock on the door that kept you up in the middle of the night.
Don't care. Not playing along anymore.
A little bit
Need way more though
Always looking for racism in the wrong place, yes nords are light skinned who don't alwways trust other racists, and some nords are racist, doesn't make the Game racist, although even when I played the Nord I couldn't support the Stormcloaks, also there is a brutal History of what the elves did to all the humans, the red guards ae still fighting the aldvaeri dominion, they are not trusted in skyrym and it's not about Race, there is a Blacksmith in Dawnstar who married a Female Red guard, Nords have trouble trusting outsiders.
The game itself isn't racist and nor do I think Stormies are racist. At least not Ulfric. However, Ulfric is massively incompetent and a moron played by the Thalmor like a fiddle. He can't even manage a city, but wants to be High King. And Redguards are my favourite race (so I don't know what she's talking about when she mentions rendering, it looks great to me). I love their lore and their ethos. Unlike the weak sauce Nords and Imperials, Redguards actually beat the Thalmor.
I don’t think the game on itself is racist. As a matter of fact you can roleplay the way you want. However you made a mistake as the nord are not even indigenous to Skyrim. The natives are the snowelves and to some extend the forsworns
storm cloaks Arnt indigenous they were absolutely colonizers in the lore. i don't think its racist but storm cloaks are definitely colonizers.