One reason I like the theory that the Emperor called a hit on himself is that the book that describes how to contact the Dark Brotherhood can be found in his ship’s bedroom.
@@p_tient I figure the guard captain guy wouldn't let him go to the tasting and Meade couldn't argue too much without seeming suspicious. The line where he says "And once again I prove [guard captain] the fool." made me think that.
I feel like that’s a coincidence. I’ve noticed that locations that are relevant to certain quest lines leave relevant books. Like throughout the main quest “The book of the Dragonborn” can be found in many locations.
I just like the way Nate refers to the hit on the Emperor as a "horrifying assassin accident." He makes it sound like the Emperor tripped and fell on an assassin.
You can reseal notes like that, you just need the same seal, which has already been imprinted on the note itself. You can use that seal to create a mold which can be used to create a proper wax seal and metal one dipped into wax.
I like the "Titus assassinated himself" theory because a disgraced emperor abdicating in favor of one of his heirs does nothing to improve faith in the throne but an emperor assassinated *in Skyrim during its rebellion* would do wonders to unify a fracturing society under the imperial banner, regardless of who the heir might be.
@@_argurios8253 If the emperor put the hit on himself, then it makes sense to have Amaund--his conspirator--killed to ensure that the truth never comes out.
@@_argurios8253 Of course it does, he doesn't want anyone to be able to torture motierre and find out what really happened. And the Thalmor were FAMOUS for torture, even for seemingly useless information about important enemies' childhood or something of that nature. Much less being in skyrim at the time of the Emperor's assassination as one of the most powerful families in Cyrodiil that isn't even Imperial blood.
The nightmother can be less trustful than you think, in oblivion she literally let a traitor destroy the brotherhood even tho she had a listener because she thought they were weak, she may be ubdercovering that too for her own purposes.
@@AndrewIHanna sithis does, he is the father of Lorkahn. and Lorkahn is the one who fooled the other Aedra to make Mundus. That has been fact since eldar scrolls Morrowind
I actually think the Emperor is one of the best written characters in the entire game. He’s far more memorable than almost any follower and genuinely interesting to talk to. I skip through a lot of dialogue but i never skip his. I usually avoid joining the brotherhood specifically because i don’t want to kill him.
The encounter with the Emperor was one of my favourite moments in Skyrim. There's something so poetic about a man coming to terms with death and having a friendly chat with his assassin.
now if you have inigo then what you said about memorable and followers would be wrong hopefully in the next elder scrolls inigo or his descendants will be cannon
Honestly I think the Dragonborn should become the next emperor. He could literally just walk into the capital and demand the throne due to divine right, and if anyone tried to stop them... well we all know what happened to Alduin.
I don't think it would be quite enough to just be born a Dragonborn, but would also need proof of blood ancestral lineage to the monarchy itself in order to legitimize the claim to the throne and subject to the approval of the council if the family lineage claim could be proven satisfactorily. Otherwise, a civil war amongst the nobilities could ensue over who can or cannot claim the throne...
@@wv1swlamatswl523 I mean the lore says that the Septim lineage was given the right of being the emperor due to them being linked to Akatosh. Dragonborn has this same link, so thus he is divinely linked to the Septim line. Also I doubt civil wars would be too big of a deal, since we did handle the civil war of Skyrim.
Yeah, but you know how it goes. You need the Dragonborn to do something for the Empire, and he's gone to save some random guy in some random ruin to get some random loot.
Just a reminder, Astrid didn't just ask you to finish killing the Emperor, she turned herself into a makeshift Black Sacrament, which basically binds you to carrying out the assassination by order of the Night Mother.
The way the emperor behaved when you’re assassinating him definitely made me think this will somehow play a role in the story of the next elder scrolls game.
You heard it here first I’m calling that the next game will be about the war between the empire and the dominion because the replacement emperor will break the white gold concordant and then when the game is set in an aldmeri setting-I’m leaning valenwood- it will make more sense
I think that changes in Motierre's appearance could've been intentional. The guy thought that his plan to take out the Emperor was ruined with the DB, and he had all reasons to think that Penitus Oculatus would come for him next. So, the logical thing to do in this position is to hide. We also know that there's a certain "face sculptor" who lives in the Ragged Flagon, and changing your appearance certainly can help with hiding from the Emperor's intelligence service.
I totally agree. This is what I believed happen. Why wouldn't you change your appearance so the assassin cannot identify him because he doesn't look the same.
That makes a lot of sense. But idk why, I kind of like the idea of Motiere sending a body double to get assassinated and I have absolutely no proof of this
Or it could be a another oxhorn case where their mods fucked up the details and it actually was originally identical with a few changes but the mod screwed that up
What is it with Emperors in Tamriel. Uriel VII was at peace with his imminent death in oblivion and in Skyrim Titus Mede II is too. How depressed are the Emperors ffs.
Probably because they both knew their deaths were coming. Uriel VII saw his death in a vision decades before and probably got done angsting about it. Titus 2's chillness is a bit more notable, though.
Imagine going to a well populated city to mourn a person that you probably had no relationship too just to die to a professional assassin posing as a chef that poisoned your food just to realize that he wanted to kill someone else.
If they're smart, the guy was simply a convict condemned to death either way, who they offered something - possibly a reduced sentence - in return for acting like the decoy. If he is indeed killed, he was supposed to die anyway. If he survives, no harm no foul.
He and his family had no right to rule anyway. Going by the lore, it'd be more accurate to say he is committing assisted suicide out of fear of what awaits him at home. Worse, regardless if he hired the hit himself or not he simply surrendered to death, itself a behavior unbecoming of any Emperor, especially one who's lineage came to rule through force.
@@mattmark94 same. I also use a mod that allows me to destroy the thieves guild, so my character is a good person with amazing morals. Except with nazeem.
My theory for Amaund Motierre's change in appearance is, he visited the Face Sculptor due to a bounty being placed on his head. therefore he's been on the run and needed to hide from the empire.
Maybe mautierre was a member of the emperor’s council (it was his amulet) then he staged his death and went to the sculptor to change his entire identity.
I mean if his assassination failed he could've been found out and subsequently executed, so he might've wanted to go to the face sculptor to enter into hiding for his own safety and what better way than to change your face?
That's if the sculptor can even do NPCs. If he's just player convenient or actually in the world. I personally don't think it was an oversight so either fake person or yeah face sculptor
If Bethesda doesn't add an npc called "Nate" that tells you a bunch of random facts OR have mai'qq mention some guy named Nate that knows as much as him
For me, the dude just waited to die in his boat for weeks after the first attempt. I went off to do other storylines and he just wanted to die still and waited
A detail that I noticed when you give Motierre's letter to Astrid: She says something to the effect of "Oh Motierre you naughty naughty boy! Using the Dark Brotherhood to rise above your station."
So maybe he killed a council member, stole his amulet, and arranged the death of current emperor. He wanted to fill the empty seat in the council when the new emperor was elected.
@@ktbrunner1862 That's assuming he's not a council member himself. After the Oblivion crisis the council briefly took control of the Empire, so that would make any council members the powerfullest people in tamriel if Mede had no children (or if his children were too young to rule)
11:08 Delvin: "This is an amulet of the Emperor's Elder Council!" Sapphire: looks surprised, listens to Delvin's explanation on how difficult it is to even lay your hands on the amulet. She stands up to leave because she couldn't get it for herself anyway. Delvin: "Look, it ain't my business to tell the DARK BROTHERHOOD its business..." Sapphire to herself: "wait, THE Dark Brotherhood? The Dark Brotherhood is involved in this? Our leader KILLED a member of an Elder Council? I gottta hear this tea." Delvin: "BUY? THIS? AN ELDER COUNCIL AMULET?? Sapphire and Vekel: *surprised pikachu face*
What if Amaund Motierre's facial changes are the result of a fading transformation spell and that he's really a Thalmor deep cover infiltrator sent to destroy the Empire from within?
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 That's what I think. It'd be easily accessible to someone like him and he does seem to still have the same voice. It would also explain why he'd so easily part with the Elder Council Amulet (assuming its his) - he never intended to go back to his old life.
I like the line about assassins and emperors. It is definitely a reference to the beginning of oblivion and seems to suggest his death would bring about some positive change. It would be interesting to think that this event could usher in some sort of plan to save the kingdom. Loved the video
Fun fact, in oblivion you get to lead 2 emperors to their death. Uriel and Martin both die because you led them somewhere whether its the end of the tunnel or to light the dragonfires.
@@flamethagod1220 Uriel was going to die anyway (the opening narration makes it clear he knows that); Martin's death was an act of self-sacrifice. Either way, the player didn't lead them to it.
Guess what, In Oblivion we see the 2nd to last Septim emperor be assassinated and the last Septim emperor sacrificing himself. And in Skyrim we see the last Meme emperor sacrifice himself to an assasin. Who happens to be dragonborn. Like the Septim dynasty. It went full circle and we'll see the dragonborn take the throne.
I agree. It's the polite thing to do to fulfill the dying wish it a man doomed to die, especially when they're not fighting back and are asking politely
"Upon my honor I do swear undying loyalty to the Emperor." I will always honor my Emperors commands. "Yes, I must die. And you must deliver the blow." - Emperor Titus Mede II
@@angleofshadow9818 "Yeah, you were in hot water for a bit there but you got a point, I'll let you off the hook for now, Dragonborn. Now hurry up and get me that fort." - General Tullius
Funny Story: When I first played Skyrim and did the dark Brotherhood Questline seeing the emperor sitting in his desk actual startled me causing me to Kill him with a firebolt before he could talk and request his favour so I didn't know you could talk to him until my 2nd playthrough
Oh same, I thought he would alert the guards if he saw me and i had a really high sneak score, so I just sort of sniped him as soon as I entered the room before he could talk, lol.
The whole quest was about killing the fucking emperor lmao how could you be startled? That's like saying you stabbed yourself and was surprised when it made an ouch
in my defence i was like 14 and I was expecting him to be in his bedroom or something so when I saw him sitting there my brain went into instinct mode and I threw a firebolt at him
The thing that immediately tipped me off that there was something especially weird about this was Mede's specific wording: "Yes, I must die. And you must deliver the killing blow. It is simply the way it is." He didn't say 'I will die', he said 'I ^must^ die.' At that point, I went back over *everything* I'd learned, heard and done over the course of the questline, applied some logic from what I knew of recent Tamrielic history, and came to the conclusion that this sneaky bastard ordered his own assassination in order to put a new emperor on the throne and rally the Empire for the inevitable second war with the Thalmor. Of course, it wasn't until Camelworks' video came out in 2018 that I realized that we might have actually met Mede's successor ourselves...I mean, It ^was^ kind of conspicuous that Amound's 'bodyguard' didn't lift a finger to help him when we stuck an arrow in his gob. 'Rexus', in Latin, translates to 'New King'. Then there's Amound's proclamation of 'We had a deal..!' when you kill him. Who says he's speaking to ^us^? What I now personally believe is that 'Amound Motierre' is, in fact, not a member of the Elder Council at all, but is in fact a body double himself, presumably a criminal or more specifically a conman promised a pardon to either portray himself as the real Motierre, or is simply playing a character that does not actually exist with the name 'Motierre' picked for him because of the name's history with the Dark Brotherhood and plots and controversy within Cyrodiil. The Amulet you receive is either one crafted for this specific mission by order of the Emperor to give him legitimacy, or it belongs to 'Rexus', the REAL councilmember, possibly even the real Amound Motierre himself, and/or Mede's chosen heir to the throne, who came to Skyrim disguised as 'Motierre's bodyguard in order to make sure he keeps up his end of their 'deal'. It certainly adds another layer of intrigue when you think about it, no?
"New King" in Latin is _Rex Novus,_ genitive _Regis novi._ "Rexus" is a name which superficially resembles _rex_ but is not meaningful: it's like a character who is named "Kung" and asserting his name is clearly related to "king." That being said, the second Motierre does look like a patsy when you correctly point out that his own bodyguard does not guard his body...
The Septim in Akavir is a good theory. Because also, the Nerevar went to Akavir as well and never came back. There's something going on there that we aren't being told. And I highly doubt they killed the Nerevar over there. And considering how old Divayth Fyr and other mages have lived, it's plausible the Nerevar is still alive. Hopefully we'll find out when ES:6 comes out.
@@robertgray1791 That would be sick. But them coming back together in general would be badass. The Thalmor would be caught with their pants down and mouth open.
Likely the Nerevar taught the Tiger King how to turn into dragons and unified the tiger and monkey people against the snake Taiscii Empire. Tosh Raka is likely his protege and he likely ascended to godhood in whatever religion rules over akavir
Report: Disaster at Ionith makes it pretty clear just how badly the Empire got bodied at Akavir. I doubt there could be anyone carrying the Septim line alive on that continent. And I always was skeptical of the Nerevarine in Akavir thing, I do not believe that is based on anything deeper than overheard gossip in Oblivion(?)...
I think two things. Firstly, I think the Elder Council has decided that having a bad emperor is worse than having no emperor at all, and that the Empire would be better off with a steward than with a Meade on the throne. After all, Councillor Ocato was probably the best ruler the Empire has had since the loss of the Septims; it's plausible that the Empire would do better by following the Gondor method. Secondly, why did he so calmly accept his death at the hands of the Dark Brotherhood? Simple. I think there was a prophecy. Presumably from an Elder Scroll. Just like Uriel Septim VII at the beginning of Oblivion, who knew his death was coming from the moment he saw the player, I think Titus II had a prophecy that he would be killed by the Dark Brotherhood. This is probably why he cancelled his earlier trip to Skyrim in the first place. I think the prophecy stated that he would be killed by the Dark Brotherhood, and that if he tried to avoid it others would die. At first he didn't take it that seriously, so he just cancelled his trip and thought no more of it, but then people started dying. First his cousin, then the Gourmet, then his body double. He decided that he wouldn't let others keep dying in his place, and just came to Solitude to put an end to it.
makes me wonder if the Ragged looking Amon is his true face then? and the first meetings face a disguise to throw off anyone who might've witnessed him entering the crypt? though that's assuming the Face sculptor is considered canon.
I love the conversation we have have with Delvin in this quest. He is such an interesting character and one of the few times we see guilds cross over in Skyrim. It makes since that they would all interact, the Companions, College, Thevies Guild, even the Bards College! All of em..
And considering that the Dragonborn can become the leader (or at least a leading member) of all of them at the same time, I bet there is room for some more overlap after the story concludes. I thought the same about the factions in Fallout 4, we either become leader or a high member in them, at a point where all of them still exist. So it shouldn't be impossible to get them to talk, just like the big round table in Skyrim, where we negotiate a deal to suspend the civil war for a bit and focus on the dragons first.
22:42 I understand where you're coming from, but I feel like when creating "raggedy Amaund", the easiest way to go about it would be to duplicate his model and then add the changes, instead of just creating him from scratch. With this procedure, someone would have to go out of their way to give him different features, so I find it hard to believe it was a mere oversight.
Id like to point out that the emperor and his body double were almost if not entirely identical models and the only difference ive noticed was the voice
Sometimes you find evidence that a character was redesigned relatively late in development. Raggedy Amaund could be a copy of a previous version of Amaund’s design that was rejected for some reason, and the person who implemented the new design didn’t notice that they should also have updated the copy.
Whoever Amaund Motierre was, he certainly was a very skilled ventriloquist in his dying breath because despite being decapitated he uttered his final words "but we had a deal..."
@@zeropolicy7456 I've heard of the eyes still bein open and looking around after decapitation, but never heard of actual talking after the blade comes down tho, that's pretty damn wicked
It's pretty obvious: Motierre is donning a "Mission: Impossible"-style mask in the post-assassination meeting. As the engineer of the assassination of the Emperor, a significant portion of the Empire's law enforcement/military will be searching for him. If Motierre wishes to remain in Tamriel, he MUST don a new identity.
@@nataliealphonse4634 besides the custom crafted Elder Council amulet suddenly up for sale on the black market? and even without that a missing Elder/Elder missing his Elder Amulet showing up right after an assassination that would've cost a small fortune to enact is pretty damn suspicious.
@@essexclass8168 He could always claim a thief stole it, and likely just get another one made, and probably some added security to his place of residence. There's nothing to support that, other then that's what I would do. Still, there's the problem of Motierre disappearing from Cyrodil for a couple days.
I find it weird that I can walk around in the emperor's clothing and then everyone will just be like "geez I wonder who killed the emperor it's do weird" when I talk to em like hello?? I am wearing the biggest "I killed the emperor it was me" sign on my back lmao
Maybe they are to afraid to say anything, you are the one that killed the literal emperor and all his men on his own boat , not to mention you are the champion of multiple God like beings, the figure head of multiple clans, and have slain the word ender himself, and oh can't forget the armory that you the player probably are with all your magic and weapons, would you want to make somebody like that mad just by saying the wrong thing to him/her.
To be fair, the Emperor's Robes share the exact same model as some other clothes in the game. I was checking out some of the clothes recently in Anniversary Edition while considering giving some extremely rare/unique clothes to my character who is crown princess of Wayrest, and IIRC the model used for Emperor's Robes is just a palette swap of the clothes Jarl Elisif the Fair and the ghost of High King Torygg wear. You would certainly stand out as a noble, but not necessarily as specifically the Emperor. Well, at least as long as nobody with some meta ability to read item names and a certain Pickpocket perk were to examine your inventory...
Money has always been wildly inconsistent in the TES series, in terms of what a Septim is worth. I think there was something in Oblivion where some guy said something like 5 septims was a years pay, but regular people would pay you hundreds for silly little rat-killing jobs. 20,000 seems to be meant to be a lot of money in Skyrim, because it's more money than you ever get in one lump sum for anything else IIRC. I think house prices are the aberration because the devs priced them to drain the player's pockets and give them big-ticket luxuries to save up for. My head-canon to explain it is that the Holds really don't like "wanderers" moving in and becoming citizens, so property is priced absurdly high so they won't buy unless they're serious.
13:15 I always assumed that the amulet belonged to Amaund Motierre himself, or a family member's. The Motierre family is, after all, an old and powerful one. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that he or someone in his family is a member of the Elder Council and wanted the Emperor out of the way for... whatever purpose. 19:20 I would imagine that the Emperor would have been prepared since the day he was crowned that assassination was a possibility. You don't rule an entire land without that possibility in the back of your mind. I suppose he might have been expecting it too if there were challenges to his rule because of an unpopular decision? Hence the need for a "policy change". I'm actually of the mind that it's business as usual when it comes to politics, leaders, and assassins.
Hey Nate! Astrid knows you read the letter because it's initially sealed, and opening it breaks the seal. The image of the item changes in your inventory as well if/when you break it. Edit: pretty sure the name changes too
I am a firm believer in the "he placed a hit on himself" theory and I think something that is never mentioned but actually MAKES sense. He asks you to kill the person who put the hit on him, but if he had requested Amaund Motierre to make the offering, and knew to get the payment started he would have to give up such a unique artifact as an elder council amulet Then he knows that Amaund would have to die as to explain how the amulet vanished or wound up being traded around on the black market likely to make its way into the hands of a collector somewhere.
Yep, and the "But we had a deal..." that Amaund gasps out with his last dying breath seems to match up pretty well with the idea that the Emperor specifically requested him to conduct this whole affair.
Also in real world history monarch have basically nullified treaties written after death of previous rulers. They reason that the treaty was signed by certain ruler and now that it him/her is gone treaty is no longer valid. Mede ll gets killed by unknown entity and killing the only person who knows (motierre) would be great premise for his successor to nullifie Medes treaty with the thalmor on basis that it was thalmor who orchestrated his assasination, bringing back worship of Talos, uniting Skyrim and empire against thalmor.
I mean, if he put the hit on himself, than killing him is killing the person who put the hit on him. That makes zero sense. He also said it in a way that makes it clear he doesn't know who that is. He never mentions him by name or acts like he knows who it is. I also doubt he'd bother with a decoy if he wants to die anyway, nor would he want you to murder his cousin or quite a few other innocent people you have to kill to get to him. Sorry, not buying it.
@@troodon1096 Maybe he doesn't mention them by name because, if someone was listening in they would know who it was and he wanted this person killed so that it wouldn't get out that the emperor put out a hit on himself.
Cutting off some lose ends. Motiere was practically the only one who actually knew the fine details. And the Emperor axing off his cousin and the decoy might be sort of a test to see of the brotherhood really has the guts and skills needed. Besides that, getting rid of Vittoria Vici might ensure she and her husband (or their kids) wouldn't take the throne in a coup. Besides that, it might also be useful to put the blame for the assassination on the Stormcloaks (who her husbands family supports) or the Thalmor (that are pretty much universally hated).
Few things to keep in mind. It is said the item given to you by montier is hand crafted for each member. It is not the same for each member making it even more impossible to replicate or find it unless you killed the person or it was given to you. I also somewhat remember hearing specifically that in ESOs brotherhood they keep the montier girl because her family is so powerful and that her family knows what she joined/ has a little bit of pull with the brotherhood. You can find poems and letters directed to her family.
The emperor is such a badass tbh he was one of my favorite NPCs and I did his dying wish just due to how cool and calm he is. He is one of the only NPCs in Skyrim I’ve felt bad about killing and he only shows up once
@@_d-- Well I was about to say to anyone feeling bad about killing the emperor that german supplexing his head through the wood of his chamber take off the weight a little bit.
Maybe the "real" emperor you kill at the end was another decoy, and his last request was a part of a plan to take out his hidden enemy who set the plot in motion.
Maybe, but it doesn't exactly fit in with the Oath to join the Imperial Legion. He sounded defeated, unmotivated, like a general that lost his fire when telling you the Oath and doesn't mention Titus Mede II in the Oath, instead referring to just "The Emperor". You would think one of the Imperial Legion's highest officers would know if it was just a decoy or not. It's also interesting that the Titus Mede II on the ship had a totally different voice actor and different dialect than the decoy, one that sounds like nobility instead of a snobby aristocrat. Further, Motierre mentions that the news of the death exploded all over the Empire. The death of an emperor already puts the morale and civil peace at jeopardy, especially considering the Elves almost destroyed the Empire to begin with. Faking the death of a figure that big would cause more problems than it would solve.
Maybe, but that doesn't explain the fact that all the Imperial and Stormcloak guards and stuff mention the Emperor's death. Plus, if talking to a guard wearing Penitus Occulatus armor, the guards will mention that 'you're not very good at your job are you?', thus indicating that the Emperor *did* actually die.
"So long as the Blood of the Dragon runs strong in her rulers, the glory of the Empire shall extend in unbroken years." - from the liturgy of the Re-Kindling of the Dragonfires "The Blades are sworn to the service of the Emperor, as the mortal representative of the Dragon Blood of the divine Talos." - Jauffre, Grandmaster of the Blades "A very long time ago, the Blades were dragonslayers, and we served the Dragonborn, the greatest dragonslayer. For the last two hundred years, since the last Dragonborn emperor, the Blades have been searching for a purpose. Now that dragons are coming back, our purpose is clear again." - Delphine, Grandmaster of the Blades "But regardless of your path through life, I sense in you a certain... ambition." - Titus Meade II "Dov wahlaan fah rel. We were made to dominate. The will to power is in our blood. You feel it in yourself, do you not? - Paarthunax EDIT (for the comments I remembered this one): "We spoke the traditional words of greeting to a Dragonborn who has accepted our guidance. The same words were used to greet the young Talos, when he came to High Hrothgar, before he became the Emperor Tiber Septim." - Arngeir, Greybeard. I think that points somewhere...
I think the reason why Amaud Motierre looks different the second go-round is that he visited the Face Sculptor in Riften. After the plot to kill the Emperor was revealed, Motierre was probably planning to go on the run.
Dang, I didn’t even realize Montierre looked different in Whiterun. You know, I think I agree with the theory that it’s not actually him. The first time we see him, he’s in a cave in the middle of nowhere, and then you find him in one of the most important cities in some inn? I always thought that was weird. Plus it wouldn’t be the first time there was a decoy in the DB questline.
And so the Dragonborn was executed on orders of the High Chancellor for assassinating the Emperor and trying to usurp the Empire. Ulfric reading the newspaper: Ha! Pathetic! I could do it and I'm not even Dragonborn!
Would have been so great if they made a dlc where you as Dragonborn ride down to the Imperial City on a dragon being followed by the faction you supported in the Civil War and take out Thalmor that are against your rise to the throne. Further lets remember that even if the Dragonborn destroys the Dark Brotherhood (most likely scenario) the remaining members may have still found a way to take out Mede II.
I think the idea of him calling the hit on himself makes perfect sense, as it doesn't just crate a national panic (having the Emperor assassinated while there is a civil war going on) but also because it would be like a wakeup call. All the people who hated Titus would suddenly see what happens when their thinking/wishing comes true, how it throws everything into chaos and just makes things even worse. The majority of people don't think logically or sensibly, but with their emotions, and want nothing more than to have a calm peaceful life. They grumble when things are not the way the want, but when faced with an even worse prospect...well, their opinions change.
Yeah I think so too it's not just an unpopular emperor who gets killed often time it's the whole family if he planed it to look like the thalmor were in league with the dark brotherhood that may create a wave of national sentiment around Titus's heir.
The emperor gets assasinated by someone who is literally blessed by Akatosh. The last big emperor assasination was on an emperor who was also blessed by Akatosh. Almost as if the Mede dynasty kept the throne warm until someone with Talos' might can return to it.
5:25 "In the year 3E 41, Emperor Pelagius Septim was murdered (...) His killing ushered in, shall we say, a necessary change in Imperial policy." In 45 minutes, I thought you were going to allude to what happened after Pelagius Septim's death in order to figure out what the conspirators' aim was, but you never really went anywhere with it. Is there simply no information in the lore?
@@yawnos That was Pelagius III, who died in the loony bin. Pelagius I is the guy who got assassinated. We don't know anything about the character other than his short reign and his murder, so we don't know what "policies" he had that needed to be changed.
Looked it up and Pelagius was followed by Kintyra Septim whose rule was "prosperous". She was followed by her son Uriel I who also had a successful reign. So it could simply be a reference to assassinating the emperor resulting in a quarter of century of prosperity and strength. Or more specifically Uriel I is credited with strengthening the imperial rule and unifying the empire by establishing rule of law and imperial organizations. With the empire falling apart and the emperor being wildly unpopular, the idea could be simply getting an emperor who can unify the humans against the Thalmor threat. Additionally, the peace treaty is also wildly unpopular and having the imperial dynasty collapse might result in a new emperor not bound by its terms. This has actually been done in the real world. President of Finland signed a deal with Germans during WW2 where he promised not to make a separate peace with the soviets (in exchange for food deliveries), but it was a "personal" guarantee so when it became relevant he simply resigned and the Finnish government was free to sign a deal with the soviets. So if the emperor is in on it that is probably why.
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When you discuss the reasons for face changes with Amaund Motierre, maybe its a possibility he went to the face sculptor in case the dragon born snitched to the empire? To try and change his face to go into hiding better?
I know I’m replying to this a year late, but I believe the face sculptor was added in the dawn guard dlc so it’s in a weird space between canon because mechanically, players wanted to change their face of their long time characters and dawn guard was the first dlc, but dawn guard is also canon so… it’s weird to consider the face sculptor
@@noahclayman6943 That’s true, imo though with a family as rich as the Motierre’s he probably definitely had access to face sculptors outside of skyrim, since we know that they exist in tamriel. Interesting theory though and more interesting than just saying it was developer over sight
I thought this too. Came here to see if anyone else did. Especially since the Face sculptor in Riften says she worked for high ranking Imperials in the city, if i remember right.
When I first played Skyrim, I just assumed that Amound Mottiere was on the Elder Council and gave you his own amulet, and he wanted the Emperor dead so he could make himself the new Emperor.
I'm not so sure about the making himself emperor part, but it is an interesting speculation and I always believed Amound was a member of the council too.
@Crow Yeah I'm actually wondering if both of them were stand-ins. If the real Motierre is as rich as we think and from the distant land of Cyrodil, then maybe both NPCs are just messengers.
I'd propose the possibility that the emperor called the hit on himself, but only to fake his own death without even the dark brotherhood knowing so he could step down as emperor and live out his life in peace (how he manages to survive the hit, I don't know). This would explain why he requests you kill motierre, as it would satisfy sithis and the night mother's policy of dealing in blood; in oblivion, motierre gives his own mother's life for the same reason, only in this case he wouldn't mind the dark brotherhood knowing he's still alive since it's a rather localized issue.
None of the comments I saw mentioned this, though some got close, so I'm going to leave this here. If Titus Mede abdicates, anyone who takes over after him will be tainted by his infamy. If he dies, the new ruler will be seen as having little to no ties to that infamy. That is true, however, what people are missing is why that would happen (and no, it isn't just because "people rally behind national patriotism when leaders are killed"). If TMII abdicates, the majority of commoners (the ones who actually riot and rebel rather than pull strings for a secondary or tertiary agenda) would see the situation as TMII choosing his successor. By proxy, all of the future emperors decisions are tainted by TMII's judgement. I.E. "Titus Mede II trusted him, so this must be something that Titus Mede II would have done." If TMII dies, at least the argument can be made that "He just inherited a bad hand from Bu-... his predecessor." q.q p.p =} ;}
This line of thinking makes sense, but it would have been significantly easier for him to just fake his death, and wouldn't have involved killing his head of security and cousin (at, iirc, her own wedding).
@@Vaelosh466 True. He already had people fooled and a duplicate murdered. If he had gone into exile instead of revealing that it was a con, he could have gotten away with it
I think that the "Emperor" aboard The Katariah was a second double that was arranged personally by Titus Mede II because he suspected that The Dark Brotherhood wouldn't stop until it believed that it had succeeded and fulfilled it's contract. The "Emperor" clearly stated that he had no faith in the Penitus Oculatus and so he took arrangements into his own hands. The second double was supposed to both convince the assassin that he was real and convince the assassin to kill the original conspirator to end the threat to the Emperor.
Could it be possible that Rune, the Imperial who is a member of the Thieves Guild, and wears a strange amulet that has a language nobody can read be a Septum who attempted to return, but doesn't remember due to the ship wreck?
Thats a good theory. I have never done the Theives Guild till recently and was wondering about that guy. Nobody knows what the rune means, not even the mages guild. It could be because the rune is in the Akaviri language. Good eye.
I don't think so, seeing as he took the stone to the college of winterhold and they couldn't translate it, and yes we know they likely knew some akavir, the reason is at one point the akavir invaded northern skyrim, and some stayed and founded the blades so yeah, also there were some survivors of the akavir campaign, it might seem like a stretch but consider that we can translate dwemer texts despite them being gone for thousands of years, or as a real world example we can translate even tablets from the summerians that are so old there were still living mammoths when they were written... or carved i dont know the correct term, they were made from pressing a reed into a clay tablet.
The Skyrim Secret Bethesda's Still Hiding There's a Todd Howard AI in the game waiting to activate so it can take over your computers and consoles and then dominate the world, it's why Skyrim is on every console ever made.
Agreed. That's politics for you. In 1863 newspapers in the North openly printed stories of wanting a Brutus to deal with Lincoln By 1865 the entire mood had changed, and Lincoln wasn't seen as a Caesar and Booth was universally condemned for his actions
"Believe it or not, Astrid will know if we read it before hand" Not that hard to believe since the letter was sealed and you had to break the seal to read it...
The answer was simple: Amaund Motierre was trying to vie for the throne. Its what happens when you get the amulet appreciated. Which is validated by Titus Mede 2nd right before you kill him. Requires you talk to the Emperor. He is a part of the council. Its implied that Amaund is a member of the council that reigns when there isn't an Emperor. Usually, the head of said council is the defacto leader. That would be Amaund Motierre.
I have a theory for the changes in his face, he may have gone to the face sculptor from the ragged flagon and changed his appearance as a way to I guess escape anyone who was tracking him down for that assassination he ordered, I have nothing to back it up other than that's what just came to my mind once you pointed it out, but that's my theory
You said you don’t think he called the hit on himself, but in my eyes it makes a lot of sense. His empire hated him, the dragons were back, and he likely knew that there might be a possibility that the septum bloodline survived. And considering the fact that we already killed a dud emperor, it wouldn’t be crazy to assume that he didn’t actually die, and we just killed another decoy. Even the man who hired us to kill the emperor is still alive. The dirt on his face was to hide the fact that it was a different person. When he said a lot of planning went into this, he wasn’t kidding. They came up with a way to kill the emperor, making it seem like it was all the dark brotherhoods idea. And the emperor no longer has to deal with the dragons, and the Thalmor, and the scorn of his people. Win-win.
@@whiskizyo2067 He said, "and he likely knew" as in that the dragons being back doesn't imply that the septim bloodline survived, but rather it is yet another reason.
@@Dymetreus Its a fair assumption to say that the emperor knew of the dragonborn legand, given he was emperor and all, Id say its not a stretch to say he would assume the dragonborn would arise with the dragons, Possibly even calling the hit on himself so the dragonborn emperor bloodline could return. (He wouldnt know its the last dragonborn)
Fools! He was not dead because of this theory! I will say. He was not as " Mede " as his name says. He was scared. He WAS the last Septim. And he told the Empire and the hated him for being a liar. He wanted death. And he called upon the Dark Brotherhood. But Maro the fool was too protective. As he was just trying to stall. So the decoy was set up! Then as you progress you finally end his Septim life. He feared the gates would open again and now he did not have the Amulet of Kings he was murdered in a graceful way. But right as you pierced his heart he remembered that the Gates of Oblivion were already closed forever. So as he turned around with your Blade in his chest he couldn't even say what he wanted to say " Wait! I remember! Don't kill me! I will give you as much coin as you need! " ( groans and lies down dead.)
Me: Uriel was in Akavir and there's an extremely high chance one of his descendants may be alive you say??? Rogvir: You were caught trying to cross the border.
Huh... Never thought of it that way. And the reason why you can be any race is because you take that from your mother. This way your father could be a Septim descendant and your mother could be of any playable race.
TheEpicNate315 you are the reason I decided to give Skyrim and Fallout 4 another chance after becoming a more competent gamer. Got my butt kicked when I was younger and thought it just wasn’t for me. But the stories are so good and I never would have known without you.
My pretty simple really-just-played-Skyrim-and-nothing-else mind screaming at me since the amulet was mentioned that he might be simple and plainly member of the council because that seems far easier then assuming he somehow intermingled with them, was given one of their amulets or paid of by the emperor with one of those very specific, easy to trace pieces of jewelry - unless he really just had it and confident enough we'd be in on his plan. The possibility was brought up 43:00, leaving me listening very closely up to this point. Well played, well played
@@Oakang an even better way not to kill the emperor is kill grelod the kind but then when you're in the abandoned Shack and Astrid is sitting on top of the bookcase just kill her with your arrows or spells and then go tell the Imperial legion that you just killed the leader of the Dark Brotherhood
@@David-ud9ju yeah nah people make good money doing this stuff if they do it right And then they also don't have to worry about dying a painful fire death. Y'know like how firemen have to worry about that.
I seriously love skyrim history. It's so fascinating that Bethesda has put so much into the game that it feels like actual history. Or maybe people have made all this shit up. Either way, it's fun to dive into. Plus, you do an excellent job at explaining and researching
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No
I hate elves.
One reason I like the theory that the Emperor called a hit on himself is that the book that describes how to contact the Dark Brotherhood can be found in his ship’s bedroom.
That should have been in the video, thats a huge clue
but why would they have a decoy be killed if he wanted to be killed
@@p_tient I figure the guard captain guy wouldn't let him go to the tasting and Meade couldn't argue too much without seeming suspicious. The line where he says "And once again I prove [guard captain] the fool." made me think that.
I feel like that’s a coincidence. I’ve noticed that locations that are relevant to certain quest lines leave relevant books. Like throughout the main quest “The book of the Dragonborn” can be found in many locations.
True but why not fake his assassination instead? Live out the rest of his days in the country side rather than die brutally.
"Please give me a quick death"
*dragonborn readies fire spells*
Well, fire does do extra damage if the opponent is already on fire, so it is a rather hasty death.
At least it aint thunder or frost magic.
Prepares poisoned coated arrow with paralysis for 4578997668 seconds
Qff Qff Wbhjob The Spiffing Britt would know lmao
Readies the wabbajack
i used my fists
Emperor: "In my helm, none will know who you are."
Me: "You really think nobody will notice the emperor suddenly grew a tail?"
This one is good at tricking people, but not that good.
Or loses a beard.
@@Leto85 Suddenly losing a beard is the easy one, it'd be growing way too much more of a beard that would stand out.
@@Glomoro True. But I imagine emperors with beards seem to be fond of them.
If I'm about to fight an army of elves the emporer could be a dragon for all I care
I just like the way Nate refers to the hit on the Emperor as a "horrifying assassin accident." He makes it sound like the Emperor tripped and fell on an assassin.
I was just showing him my knives, and he tripped and fell on them. Totally an accident.
he forgot to tie his shoes smh
That's not how it happened in your playthrough? Hmm I must be doing something wrong.
He just walked onto my sword officer, I swear!
considering how incompetent of an Emperor he was, I wouldnt rule that out
My wife called me ratchet for taking the emperor's shoes and robes. I mean, where else am I gonna get emperor clothes, right?
Yeah, you're right
@@alendurr1033 exactly! Thank you! Although you can obviously get a set from the decoy emperor but time is a little short there
@@captaincriticize8050 ye, you're already kinda in a hurry to not die, and it really isn't on your mind atm
I was the same with the wedding clothes, i needed them!
@@adminaccess8713 of course, can't leave without it
Something to keep in mind is that the game files list Amaund as “Chancellor.” That amulet might have been his own.
I mean, I always assumed it was.
I always thought he was a member of the council himself
@@trissfaris5717 same
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he IS the senate.
The reason why Astrid knows you looked at the note is because it was a sealed note and if you opened it you would have to break the seal
noooooo- I didn't read it... the wax must have gotten warm in my pocket and melted a little.
After a few skooma's I break the seal...
"Bark bark bark!"
Watch out ya fool! You nearly broke the Seal!
You can reseal notes like that, you just need the same seal, which has already been imprinted on the note itself. You can use that seal to create a mold which can be used to create a proper wax seal and metal one dipped into wax.
I hate you
I like the "Titus assassinated himself" theory because a disgraced emperor abdicating in favor of one of his heirs does nothing to improve faith in the throne but an emperor assassinated *in Skyrim during its rebellion* would do wonders to unify a fracturing society under the imperial banner, regardless of who the heir might be.
Yes, but then Titus' last wish doesn't seem all that logical
@@_argurios8253 If the emperor put the hit on himself, then it makes sense to have Amaund--his conspirator--killed to ensure that the truth never comes out.
@@_argurios8253 Of course it does, he doesn't want anyone to be able to torture motierre and find out what really happened. And the Thalmor were FAMOUS for torture, even for seemingly useless information about important enemies' childhood or something of that nature. Much less being in skyrim at the time of the Emperor's assassination as one of the most powerful families in Cyrodiil that isn't even Imperial blood.
@@_argurios8253 tying up loss ends
@@_argurios8253 he could have wanted someone else on the throne
If the Nightmother said the Emperor is dead then I mean, he’s dead. Sithis would know if we were deceived and the Nightmother would tell us.
The nightmother can be less trustful than you think, in oblivion she literally let a traitor destroy the brotherhood even tho she had a listener because she thought they were weak, she may be ubdercovering that too for her own purposes.
No...
The Face Changer in the Ragged Flagon
Sithis doesn't even exist as sn entity in the tes universe, the night mother is just boethiah and she lies to the brotherhood at least sometimes
@@inaciobarbosa9396 Yep, that is Mephala for you.
@@AndrewIHanna sithis does, he is the father of Lorkahn. and Lorkahn is the one who fooled the other Aedra to make Mundus. That has been fact since eldar scrolls Morrowind
I actually think the Emperor is one of the best written characters in the entire game. He’s far more memorable than almost any follower and genuinely interesting to talk to. I skip through a lot of dialogue but i never skip his. I usually avoid joining the brotherhood specifically because i don’t want to kill him.
The encounter with the Emperor was one of my favourite moments in Skyrim. There's something so poetic about a man coming to terms with death and having a friendly chat with his assassin.
Loved the voice actor they got to read for him, too. Same guy did Lucien Lachance and Gray Fox in "Oblivion" and Fawkes in "Fallout 3"
@@EarlyOwOwl I've never skipped his chats and always felt kind of bad about offing him and looting the place afterwards. =(
I hear ya! I like him. And I don't like anyone in the Dark Companions OR the Thieves' Guild.
now if you have inigo then what you said about memorable and followers would be wrong hopefully in the next elder scrolls inigo or his descendants will be cannon
Honestly I think the Dragonborn should become the next emperor. He could literally just walk into the capital and demand the throne due to divine right, and if anyone tried to stop them... well we all know what happened to Alduin.
This needs more likes. This idea is awesome! I would love it if the Dragonborn could just become the Emperor like that
If he is the Dragonborn, then he should very much have a legitimate claim to the throne due to ancient history.
I don't think it would be quite enough to just be born a Dragonborn, but would also need proof of blood ancestral lineage to the monarchy itself in order to legitimize the claim to the throne and subject to the approval of the council if the family lineage claim could be proven satisfactorily. Otherwise, a civil war amongst the nobilities could ensue over who can or cannot claim the throne...
@@wv1swlamatswl523 I mean the lore says that the Septim lineage was given the right of being the emperor due to them being linked to Akatosh. Dragonborn has this same link, so thus he is divinely linked to the Septim line.
Also I doubt civil wars would be too big of a deal, since we did handle the civil war of Skyrim.
Yeah, but you know how it goes. You need the Dragonborn to do something for the Empire, and he's gone to save some random guy in some random ruin to get some random loot.
18:21
*has a civil conversation with the emperor,*
Me “I bet he’ll end him quickly since he’s cool”
Dragonborn *pulls out fire spells*
Me “JESUS!!”
I love how in that clip it cuts to him dead, body smoking on the floor, lmao
Let's pull out telekinesis and off the emperor by throwing random plunder around.
Just a reminder, Astrid didn't just ask you to finish killing the Emperor, she turned herself into a makeshift Black Sacrament, which basically binds you to carrying out the assassination by order of the Night Mother.
I just realized this. Bruh
"How is Astrid doin' these days, eh? Tell her to stop by sometime. We can have a drink. Ketchup." 10:43
Imagine the players who don't use subtitles.
Delvon confirmed to be Ketchup from Animal Crossing
Delvin Mallory is sans confirmed! Add that to the spaghetti plate of speculations about who is sans!
@@NWolfsson it was already confirmed that Brynjolf was Sans and Mai'iq is Papyrus come on dude get with the times
@@SophieHesper Wait, so Delvon's going to be in the MK11 Kombat Pack 3?
The way the emperor behaved when you’re assassinating him definitely made me think this will somehow play a role in the story of the next elder scrolls game.
You heard it here first I’m calling that the next game will be about the war between the empire and the dominion because the replacement emperor will break the white gold concordant and then when the game is set in an aldmeri setting-I’m leaning valenwood- it will make more sense
dalton quilty bruh, it’s been all but confirmed that ES6 will be in either High Rock, or Hammerfell.
@@hypeninja4786 they already have elder scrolls redguard so either high rock or valenwood
I think (since we had relative big time jumps between each game) it would at least be referrenced in some form in a future Game
I think he was using the Voice of the Emperor racial ability on you to get revenge on the one who called his hit.
I think that changes in Motierre's appearance could've been intentional. The guy thought that his plan to take out the Emperor was ruined with the DB, and he had all reasons to think that Penitus Oculatus would come for him next. So, the logical thing to do in this position is to hide. We also know that there's a certain "face sculptor" who lives in the Ragged Flagon, and changing your appearance certainly can help with hiding from the Emperor's intelligence service.
I totally agree. This is what I believed happen. Why wouldn't you change your appearance so the assassin cannot identify him because he doesn't look the same.
Ohhhh that makes so much sense
That makes a lot of sense. But idk why, I kind of like the idea of Motiere sending a body double to get assassinated and I have absolutely no proof of this
Or it could be a another oxhorn case where their mods fucked up the details and it actually was originally identical with a few changes but the mod screwed that up
@@TheNephilimofEmpireCity honestly i never noticed he looked different at all and i play unmodded so its definetly possible they are the same
What is it with Emperors in Tamriel. Uriel VII was at peace with his imminent death in oblivion and in Skyrim Titus Mede II is too. How depressed are the Emperors ffs.
Likely about as depressed as the old man in the pit from Waterworld.
Synth Wendigo water world?
Justin Chipman.k it’s a movie
When they hear that someone wamts to kill them they say: "My time has come" Like Master Oogway
Probably because they both knew their deaths were coming. Uriel VII saw his death in a vision decades before and probably got done angsting about it. Titus 2's chillness is a bit more notable, though.
Imagine going to a well populated city to mourn a person that you probably had no relationship too just to die to a professional assassin posing as a chef that poisoned your food just to realize that he wanted to kill someone else.
Redacted so it is with emperors and assassins
Not to mention they knew the whole time and just let him die
If they're smart, the guy was simply a convict condemned to death either way, who they offered something - possibly a reduced sentence - in return for acting like the decoy. If he is indeed killed, he was supposed to die anyway. If he survives, no harm no foul.
She was his cousin.
@@Great_Cthulhu That was a body double, used to setup the Dragonborn, by Astrid. So no, it wasn't the body double's cousin.
I always felt bad about killing Titus...he seemed like a good guy, especially for an emperor of such a world.
Same
You know the feeling you get, like...you heart gets heavier when he just accept the destiny and say he wont fight you
He and his family had no right to rule anyway. Going by the lore, it'd be more accurate to say he is committing assisted suicide out of fear of what awaits him at home. Worse, regardless if he hired the hit himself or not he simply surrendered to death, itself a behavior unbecoming of any Emperor, especially one who's lineage came to rule through force.
@@mattmark94 Huzzah! A man of quality!
@@mattmark94 same. I also use a mod that allows me to destroy the thieves guild, so my character is a good person with amazing morals. Except with nazeem.
My theory for Amaund Motierre's change in appearance is, he visited the Face Sculptor due to a bounty being placed on his head. therefore he's been on the run and needed to hide from the empire.
That's what I thought too.
That explains the missing bodyguard.
If I remember right it’s just his nose maybe he got in a fight and it got broken
My theory as well
And that's how you are able to track him, the face sculptor is part of the Thieves Guild and they are known to work with the Dark Brotherhood as well
there is a third option for the face change: mautierre went to the face sculptor because he plans to stay hidden for some reason
That's what I thought. :)
Maybe mautierre was a member of the emperor’s council (it was his amulet) then he staged his death and went to the sculptor to change his entire identity.
I mean if his assassination failed he could've been found out and subsequently executed, so he might've wanted to go to the face sculptor to enter into hiding for his own safety and what better way than to change your face?
That's if the sculptor can even do NPCs. If he's just player convenient or actually in the world. I personally don't think it was an oversight so either fake person or yeah face sculptor
I was thinking the same thing but he did it to not get caught, maybe guilt led him to it is what I was thinking
-"What the heck happened to your ears?!"
-"I've been under a lot of stress."
Well, I hear there is this guy in Riften who can change your face.
Didn't Little Red Riding Hood also notice the change to ears, nose, and hair? Is Motierre her grandmother?
Nate : "Stress isn't going to give you a new pair of ears."
Van Gogh : ...
Technically it wasn't a pair
Underrated
The best Elder Scrolls quote is the Dragonborn to Amaund: “You have opened the door to darkness, little man.”
Say fellas, did someone mention the Door to Darkness?
I never heard the Dragonborn speak before….only shout…
“YOU HAVE OPENED THE DOOR TO DARKNESS, LITTLE MAN!!!!”
@@spurkellz Gwarsh, I hope donald does something fucking useful for once 😂
@@mayravixx25 TRUE
If Bethesda doesn't add an npc called "Nate" that tells you a bunch of random facts OR have mai'qq mention some guy named Nate that knows as much as him
Nazeem: Have you tried cloud district ?
Skald Nate the Epic.... has a nice ring to it. =)
Somebody with modding skills should create this.
Loverslab would have a field day with that NPC.
Luzur you are why this world burns.
For me, the dude just waited to die in his boat for weeks after the first attempt. I went off to do other storylines and he just wanted to die still and waited
"the power of depression, baby! lol
A detail that I noticed when you give Motierre's letter to Astrid: She says something to the effect of "Oh Motierre you naughty naughty boy! Using the Dark Brotherhood to rise above your station."
So maybe he killed a council member, stole his amulet, and arranged the death of current emperor. He wanted to fill the empty seat in the council when the new emperor was elected.
@@ktbrunner1862 That's assuming he's not a council member himself. After the Oblivion crisis the council briefly took control of the Empire, so that would make any council members the powerfullest people in tamriel if Mede had no children (or if his children were too young to rule)
Astrid doesn't know for sure, she is just guessing at the reason he is using the brotherhood
The night mother is the one who gives us his name. All hail the glory of sithis
11:08 Delvin: "This is an amulet of the Emperor's Elder Council!"
Sapphire: looks surprised, listens to Delvin's explanation on how difficult it is to even lay your hands on the amulet. She stands up to leave because she couldn't get it for herself anyway.
Delvin: "Look, it ain't my business to tell the DARK BROTHERHOOD its business..."
Sapphire to herself: "wait, THE Dark Brotherhood? The Dark Brotherhood is involved in this? Our leader KILLED a member of an Elder Council? I gottta hear this tea."
Delvin: "BUY? THIS? AN ELDER COUNCIL AMULET??
Sapphire and Vekel: *surprised pikachu face*
3:42 "I'd like to hit 800K sometime soon".
Not even 10 Hours later: 800K! Congrats Dude, you really deserve it!
What if Amaund Motierre's facial changes are the result of a fading transformation spell and that he's really a Thalmor deep cover infiltrator sent to destroy the Empire from within?
What about that face changing person in Riften? Hes changed his facial structure and her presence is pretty well known.
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 That's what I think. It'd be easily accessible to someone like him and he does seem to still have the same voice. It would also explain why he'd so easily part with the Elder Council Amulet (assuming its his) - he never intended to go back to his old life.
Ghutts McKenzie *She
@@thecatfather857 alright good job for that.
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 That person is 100% part of the Dawnguard DLC, I personally wouldn't consider her presence canonical on base game content...
10:47
"we can 'ave a drink. Ketchup."
wow really classy there Delvin.
I like the line about assassins and emperors. It is definitely a reference to the beginning of oblivion and seems to suggest his death would bring about some positive change. It would be interesting to think that this event could usher in some sort of plan to save the kingdom. Loved the video
Fun fact, in oblivion you get to lead 2 emperors to their death. Uriel and Martin both die because you led them somewhere whether its the end of the tunnel or to light the dragonfires.
I dare say the death of Uriel Septim VII didn't bring about any positive changes.
@@flamethagod1220 Uriel was going to die anyway (the opening narration makes it clear he knows that); Martin's death was an act of self-sacrifice. Either way, the player didn't lead them to it.
Guess what, In Oblivion we see the 2nd to last Septim emperor be assassinated and the last Septim emperor sacrificing himself.
And in Skyrim we see the last Meme emperor sacrifice himself to an assasin. Who happens to be dragonborn. Like the Septim dynasty.
It went full circle and we'll see the dragonborn take the throne.
I always take out Motierre for the Emperor. It is a condemned man’s final wish, he gave a convincing reason, and he asked really nicely.
I agree. It's the polite thing to do to fulfill the dying wish it a man doomed to die, especially when they're not fighting back and are asking politely
Facts i almost didnt kill him
"Upon my honor I do swear undying loyalty to the Emperor." I will always honor my Emperors commands.
"Yes, I must die. And you must deliver the blow." - Emperor Titus Mede II
@@angleofshadow9818 "Yeah, you were in hot water for a bit there but you got a point, I'll let you off the hook for now, Dragonborn. Now hurry up and get me that fort." - General Tullius
Same, the attitude of Motierre is what really sold his own fate tho tbh.
Funny Story:
When I first played Skyrim and did the dark Brotherhood Questline seeing the emperor sitting in his desk actual startled me causing me to Kill him with a firebolt before he could talk and request his favour
so I didn't know you could talk to him until my 2nd playthrough
Oh same, I thought he would alert the guards if he saw me and i had a really high sneak score, so I just sort of sniped him as soon as I entered the room before he could talk, lol.
this so funny, litterally lol'd. thank you
you saw a door named emperors room and got startled when the emperor was in it
The whole quest was about killing the fucking emperor lmao how could you be startled? That's like saying you stabbed yourself and was surprised when it made an ouch
in my defence i was like 14 and I was expecting him to be in his bedroom or something so when I saw him sitting there my brain went into instinct mode and I threw a firebolt at him
The thing that immediately tipped me off that there was something especially weird about this was Mede's specific wording:
"Yes, I must die. And you must deliver the killing blow. It is simply the way it is."
He didn't say 'I will die', he said 'I ^must^ die.' At that point, I went back over *everything* I'd learned, heard and done over the course of the questline, applied some logic from what I knew of recent Tamrielic history, and came to the conclusion that this sneaky bastard ordered his own assassination in order to put a new emperor on the throne and rally the Empire for the inevitable second war with the Thalmor.
Of course, it wasn't until Camelworks' video came out in 2018 that I realized that we might have actually met Mede's successor ourselves...I mean, It ^was^ kind of conspicuous that Amound's 'bodyguard' didn't lift a finger to help him when we stuck an arrow in his gob. 'Rexus', in Latin, translates to 'New King'. Then there's Amound's proclamation of 'We had a deal..!' when you kill him. Who says he's speaking to ^us^?
What I now personally believe is that 'Amound Motierre' is, in fact, not a member of the Elder Council at all, but is in fact a body double himself, presumably a criminal or more specifically a conman promised a pardon to either portray himself as the real Motierre, or is simply playing a character that does not actually exist with the name 'Motierre' picked for him because of the name's history with the Dark Brotherhood and plots and controversy within Cyrodiil. The Amulet you receive is either one crafted for this specific mission by order of the Emperor to give him legitimacy, or it belongs to 'Rexus', the REAL councilmember, possibly even the real Amound Motierre himself, and/or Mede's chosen heir to the throne, who came to Skyrim disguised as 'Motierre's bodyguard in order to make sure he keeps up his end of their 'deal'.
It certainly adds another layer of intrigue when you think about it, no?
I find this hard to believe considering i killed rexus after i killed amaund. Like if it wasnt supposed to be done make him essential
woah
The Fish In My Sea true, Bethesda should’ve really thought this through and In the re release make him essential if this is true
Drink for the dirty! Food for the Monkey! Skooma for the junkie!
"New King" in Latin is _Rex Novus,_ genitive _Regis novi._ "Rexus" is a name which superficially resembles _rex_ but is not meaningful: it's like a character who is named "Kung" and asserting his name is clearly related to "king."
That being said, the second Motierre does look like a patsy when you correctly point out that his own bodyguard does not guard his body...
The Septim in Akavir is a good theory. Because also, the Nerevar went to Akavir as well and never came back. There's something going on there that we aren't being told. And I highly doubt they killed the Nerevar over there. And considering how old Divayth Fyr and other mages have lived, it's plausible the Nerevar is still alive. Hopefully we'll find out when ES:6 comes out.
Nerevar + Septim collab? 😳 Imagine them returning to Skyrim riding dragons
@@robertgray1791 That would be sick. But them coming back together in general would be badass. The Thalmor would be caught with their pants down and mouth open.
Likely the Nerevar taught the Tiger King how to turn into dragons and unified the tiger and monkey people against the snake Taiscii Empire. Tosh Raka is likely his protege and he likely ascended to godhood in whatever religion rules over akavir
@@Ogoseaux >implying Nerevar didn't become Tosh Raka himself
Report: Disaster at Ionith makes it pretty clear just how badly the Empire got bodied at Akavir. I doubt there could be anyone carrying the Septim line alive on that continent. And I always was skeptical of the Nerevarine in Akavir thing, I do not believe that is based on anything deeper than overheard gossip in Oblivion(?)...
I think two things. Firstly, I think the Elder Council has decided that having a bad emperor is worse than having no emperor at all, and that the Empire would be better off with a steward than with a Meade on the throne. After all, Councillor Ocato was probably the best ruler the Empire has had since the loss of the Septims; it's plausible that the Empire would do better by following the Gondor method.
Secondly, why did he so calmly accept his death at the hands of the Dark Brotherhood? Simple. I think there was a prophecy. Presumably from an Elder Scroll. Just like Uriel Septim VII at the beginning of Oblivion, who knew his death was coming from the moment he saw the player, I think Titus II had a prophecy that he would be killed by the Dark Brotherhood. This is probably why he cancelled his earlier trip to Skyrim in the first place. I think the prophecy stated that he would be killed by the Dark Brotherhood, and that if he tried to avoid it others would die. At first he didn't take it that seriously, so he just cancelled his trip and thought no more of it, but then people started dying. First his cousin, then the Gourmet, then his body double. He decided that he wouldn't let others keep dying in his place, and just came to Solitude to put an end to it.
35:43 all I can see is that dammed windmill chopping hell out of that nice thatched roof...
For someone who went into the Ragged Flagon, I'm amazed you didn't mention the Face Sculptor. Changing someone's appearance is her entire career.
I know this is an old comment but watching this I was astounded at the oversight of this key detail
I doubt the face changer will be considered cannon or lore friendly in future elder scrolls even if the feature Is in future games
Ooh true 🤔
It makes no sense still. If he's changing his identity its so he can hide how would a different face help him in the Empire
makes me wonder if the Ragged looking Amon is his true face then? and the first meetings face a disguise to throw off anyone who might've witnessed him entering the crypt? though that's assuming the Face sculptor is considered canon.
I love the conversation we have have with Delvin in this quest. He is such an interesting character and one of the few times we see guilds cross over in Skyrim. It makes since that they would all interact, the Companions, College, Thevies Guild, even the Bards College! All of em..
And considering that the Dragonborn can become the leader (or at least a leading member) of all of them at the same time, I bet there is room for some more overlap after the story concludes.
I thought the same about the factions in Fallout 4, we either become leader or a high member in them, at a point where all of them still exist. So it shouldn't be impossible to get them to talk, just like the big round table in Skyrim, where we negotiate a deal to suspend the civil war for a bit and focus on the dragons first.
22:42 I understand where you're coming from, but I feel like when creating "raggedy Amaund", the easiest way to go about it would be to duplicate his model and then add the changes, instead of just creating him from scratch. With this procedure, someone would have to go out of their way to give him different features, so I find it hard to believe it was a mere oversight.
It is bethesda we're talking about. Always been buggy and had things in their games that make you go "why?"
Id like to point out that the emperor and his body double were almost if not entirely identical models and the only difference ive noticed was the voice
Sometimes you find evidence that a character was redesigned relatively late in development. Raggedy Amaund could be a copy of a previous version of Amaund’s design that was rejected for some reason, and the person who implemented the new design didn’t notice that they should also have updated the copy.
@@bfrobin446 ohh that makes sense
@@HaplessOne Nope. We give Bethesda shit but their games lore always had purpose. Made you think for yourself.
Whoever Amaund Motierre was, he certainly was a very skilled ventriloquist in his dying breath because despite being decapitated he uttered his final words "but we had a deal..."
maybe HE was a decoy!
Funny af lol
People have been known to be able to talk after decapitation for a few moments. Depends on where on the neck the decapitation happens.
@@zeropolicy7456 I've heard of the eyes still bein open and looking around after decapitation, but never heard of actual talking after the blade comes down tho, that's pretty damn wicked
@@zeropolicy7456 It takes air. Air is in the lungs. Not the neck. But I suppose their vocal cords, if not severed, could weep during rigor mortis.
It's pretty obvious: Motierre is donning a "Mission: Impossible"-style mask in the post-assassination meeting. As the engineer of the assassination of the Emperor, a significant portion of the Empire's law enforcement/military will be searching for him. If Motierre wishes to remain in Tamriel, he MUST don a new identity.
You jest, but the Face Sculptor is a canon character.
... why? No one knows he did it other than the dark brotherhood and his "associates" theres no way people could find out about it
@@nataliealphonse4634 besides the custom crafted Elder Council amulet suddenly up for sale on the black market?
and even without that a missing Elder/Elder missing his Elder Amulet showing up right after an assassination that would've cost a small fortune to enact is pretty damn suspicious.
@@essexclass8168 He could always claim a thief stole it, and likely just get another one made, and probably some added security to his place of residence. There's nothing to support that, other then that's what I would do. Still, there's the problem of Motierre disappearing from Cyrodil for a couple days.
I find it weird that I can walk around in the emperor's clothing and then everyone will just be like "geez I wonder who killed the emperor it's do weird" when I talk to em like hello?? I am wearing the biggest "I killed the emperor it was me" sign on my back lmao
funny
@@cedricmichaud552 funny
Maybe they are to afraid to say anything, you are the one that killed the literal emperor and all his men on his own boat , not to mention you are the champion of multiple God like beings, the figure head of multiple clans, and have slain the word ender himself, and oh can't forget the armory that you the player probably are with all your magic and weapons, would you want to make somebody like that mad just by saying the wrong thing to him/her.
@@nooternootey9666 in my playthrough I only killed the Emperor on the boat.
To be fair, the Emperor's Robes share the exact same model as some other clothes in the game. I was checking out some of the clothes recently in Anniversary Edition while considering giving some extremely rare/unique clothes to my character who is crown princess of Wayrest, and IIRC the model used for Emperor's Robes is just a palette swap of the clothes Jarl Elisif the Fair and the ghost of High King Torygg wear. You would certainly stand out as a noble, but not necessarily as specifically the Emperor. Well, at least as long as nobody with some meta ability to read item names and a certain Pickpocket perk were to examine your inventory...
12:05 what I'm really wondering is how can Delvin live in a bar and still be so god damn thirsty.
Most underrated joke in this comment section
Alcahol makes you more thirsty and dehydrated
0:37 "offers us a fortune" HA! 20,000 septims is a travesty. Honestly when I first played through I was insulted by the offer.
That's not even enough to buy Proudspire Manor, let alone furnish it
Yeah till they give you 100 gold coins to kill an elder dragon. I almost killed everyone in the room
Money has always been wildly inconsistent in the TES series, in terms of what a Septim is worth. I think there was something in Oblivion where some guy said something like 5 septims was a years pay, but regular people would pay you hundreds for silly little rat-killing jobs.
20,000 seems to be meant to be a lot of money in Skyrim, because it's more money than you ever get in one lump sum for anything else IIRC. I think house prices are the aberration because the devs priced them to drain the player's pockets and give them big-ticket luxuries to save up for. My head-canon to explain it is that the Holds really don't like "wanderers" moving in and becoming citizens, so property is priced absurdly high so they won't buy unless they're serious.
Well Mehrune's plane is fire and ashland so we can say "Everything was fine in the Empire till the fire nation attacked."
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No one ever expects the Spanish Inq.... Ehm Ehm I mean the Fire nation
@@npdeathknight "We are Dagon's finest inq- Erm I mean DREMORA"
Fire Dimension*
And when they needed him most, Talos dissapeared.
18:25 the comedic timing on this cut was legendary
Me: Saving an old man with some guards when I'm doing a side quest to fetch item.
Emperor: Now take my armor and go conquer a city for me!
Me: ???!
Me: Alright what awesome loot do I get for this!
Emperor: You have done me a great service, here is your reward.
Me: .....
to have played the story of Elder Scroll Legend..the player is a former Blade..so...
"Everything changed..." my mind: when the fire nation attacked!
"When the fire nation attacked!....." my mind: A hundred years passed, and my brother and I discovered the new Avatar, an airbender named Aang,....
@Tiber Septim shhhhhhhhhhj
By Talos my autism just peaked when I read this lol
I always assumed Motierre was a member of the Elder Council and he was giving you his amulet.
18:20 the cut from Titus saying “now onto the business at hand” and the magic coming up to a smoldering corpse on the ground makes it more brutal
13:15 I always assumed that the amulet belonged to Amaund Motierre himself, or a family member's. The Motierre family is, after all, an old and powerful one. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that he or someone in his family is a member of the Elder Council and wanted the Emperor out of the way for... whatever purpose. 19:20 I would imagine that the Emperor would have been prepared since the day he was crowned that assassination was a possibility. You don't rule an entire land without that possibility in the back of your mind. I suppose he might have been expecting it too if there were challenges to his rule because of an unpopular decision? Hence the need for a "policy change". I'm actually of the mind that it's business as usual when it comes to politics, leaders, and assassins.
How did you get verified?
@@mbici6969 same question
They're made especially for a member, this could mean an ancestor of Amonds was a member, and he inherited the amulet
@@hafiyidzham9899 We may never know why
How the hell are u verified
Hey Nate! Astrid knows you read the letter because it's initially sealed, and opening it breaks the seal. The image of the item changes in your inventory as well if/when you break it.
Edit: pretty sure the name changes too
Jokes on her I read it and then immediately reloaded.
@@zacharyhawley1693 calm down, Satan
Medellinin lol
I just blamed it on Cicero.
I am a firm believer in the "he placed a hit on himself" theory and I think something that is never mentioned but actually MAKES sense.
He asks you to kill the person who put the hit on him, but if he had requested Amaund Motierre to make the offering, and knew to get the payment started he would have to give up such a unique artifact as an elder council amulet
Then he knows that Amaund would have to die as to explain how the amulet vanished or wound up being traded around on the black market likely to make its way into the hands of a collector somewhere.
Yep, and the "But we had a deal..." that Amaund gasps out with his last dying breath seems to match up pretty well with the idea that the Emperor specifically requested him to conduct this whole affair.
Also in real world history monarch have basically nullified treaties written after death of previous rulers. They reason that the treaty was signed by certain ruler and now that it him/her is gone treaty is no longer valid. Mede ll gets killed by unknown entity and killing the only person who knows (motierre) would be great premise for his successor to nullifie Medes treaty with the thalmor on basis that it was thalmor who orchestrated his assasination, bringing back worship of Talos, uniting Skyrim and empire against thalmor.
I mean, if he put the hit on himself, than killing him is killing the person who put the hit on him. That makes zero sense. He also said it in a way that makes it clear he doesn't know who that is. He never mentions him by name or acts like he knows who it is. I also doubt he'd bother with a decoy if he wants to die anyway, nor would he want you to murder his cousin or quite a few other innocent people you have to kill to get to him. Sorry, not buying it.
@@troodon1096 Maybe he doesn't mention them by name because, if someone was listening in they would know who it was and he wanted this person killed so that it wouldn't get out that the emperor put out a hit on himself.
Cutting off some lose ends. Motiere was practically the only one who actually knew the fine details.
And the Emperor axing off his cousin and the decoy might be sort of a test to see of the brotherhood really has the guts and skills needed.
Besides that, getting rid of Vittoria Vici might ensure she and her husband (or their kids) wouldn't take the throne in a coup. Besides that, it might also be useful to put the blame for the assassination on the Stormcloaks (who her husbands family supports) or the Thalmor (that are pretty much universally hated).
Few things to keep in mind.
It is said the item given to you by montier is hand crafted for each member. It is not the same for each member making it even more impossible to replicate or find it unless you killed the person or it was given to you.
I also somewhat remember hearing specifically that in ESOs brotherhood they keep the montier girl because her family is so powerful and that her family knows what she joined/ has a little bit of pull with the brotherhood. You can find poems and letters directed to her family.
The emperor is such a badass tbh he was one of my favorite NPCs and I did his dying wish just due to how cool and calm he is. He is one of the only NPCs in Skyrim I’ve felt bad about killing and he only shows up once
I felt the same. It's why I obliged his last request.
I almost want to just leave and let him live... Almost
I punched him to death and then his corpse for a while... The boxing gloves are op.... I need therapy....
@@_d-- Well I was about to say to anyone feeling bad about killing the emperor that german supplexing his head through the wood of his chamber take off the weight a little bit.
A man with the courage to face his death should have his last request honoured.
Maybe the "real" emperor you kill at the end was another decoy, and his last request was a part of a plan to take out his hidden enemy who set the plot in motion.
Ohh. I like this.
Good theory but I'm pretty sure citizens and guards around Skyrim will mention that he's dead
maybe the real emperor are the friends we made along the way ; )
Maybe, but it doesn't exactly fit in with the Oath to join the Imperial Legion. He sounded defeated, unmotivated, like a general that lost his fire when telling you the Oath and doesn't mention Titus Mede II in the Oath, instead referring to just "The Emperor". You would think one of the Imperial Legion's highest officers would know if it was just a decoy or not. It's also interesting that the Titus Mede II on the ship had a totally different voice actor and different dialect than the decoy, one that sounds like nobility instead of a snobby aristocrat. Further, Motierre mentions that the news of the death exploded all over the Empire. The death of an emperor already puts the morale and civil peace at jeopardy, especially considering the Elves almost destroyed the Empire to begin with. Faking the death of a figure that big would cause more problems than it would solve.
Maybe, but that doesn't explain the fact that all the Imperial and Stormcloak guards and stuff mention the Emperor's death. Plus, if talking to a guard wearing Penitus Occulatus armor, the guards will mention that 'you're not very good at your job are you?', thus indicating that the Emperor *did* actually die.
"So long as the Blood of the Dragon runs strong in her rulers, the glory of the Empire shall extend in unbroken years." - from the liturgy of the Re-Kindling of the Dragonfires
"The Blades are sworn to the service of the Emperor, as the mortal representative of the Dragon Blood of the divine Talos." - Jauffre, Grandmaster of the Blades
"A very long time ago, the Blades were dragonslayers, and we served the Dragonborn, the greatest dragonslayer. For the last two hundred years, since the last Dragonborn emperor, the Blades have been searching for a purpose. Now that dragons are coming back, our purpose is clear again." - Delphine, Grandmaster of the Blades
"But regardless of your path through life, I sense in you a certain... ambition." - Titus Meade II
"Dov wahlaan fah rel. We were made to dominate. The will to power is in our blood. You feel it in yourself, do you not? - Paarthunax
EDIT (for the comments I remembered this one): "We spoke the traditional words of greeting to a Dragonborn who has accepted our guidance. The same words were used to greet the young Talos, when he came to High Hrothgar, before he became the Emperor Tiber Septim." - Arngeir, Greybeard.
I think that points somewhere...
Excellent point!
You were meant to become Highking of Skyrim then conquer all of Tamriel, and reform the Septim Empire
(Proving that DB actually was a reincarnation of Talos/Tiber Septim)
Filip Dujkovic Only High King of Skyrim? Why not Emperor? My character Mai Butthurts would start the Butthurts dynasty
The Dragonborn shall dominate in one shape or another just like their predecessor before them
I think the reason why Amaud Motierre looks different the second go-round is that he visited the Face Sculptor in Riften. After the plot to kill the Emperor was revealed, Motierre was probably planning to go on the run.
Dang, I didn’t even realize Montierre looked different in Whiterun. You know, I think I agree with the theory that it’s not actually him. The first time we see him, he’s in a cave in the middle of nowhere, and then you find him in one of the most important cities in some inn? I always thought that was weird.
Plus it wouldn’t be the first time there was a decoy in the DB questline.
Me, walks into Solitude wearing emperor's robes: "..."
Guard: "He killed the emperor!"
Me, an Imperial Dragonborn: "I am the emperor."
And so the Dragonborn was executed on orders of the High Chancellor for assassinating the Emperor and trying to usurp the Empire.
Ulfric reading the newspaper: Ha! Pathetic! I could do it and I'm not even Dragonborn!
Would have been so great if they made a dlc where you as Dragonborn ride down to the Imperial City on a dragon being followed by the faction you supported in the Civil War and take out Thalmor that are against your rise to the throne.
Further lets remember that even if the Dragonborn destroys the Dark Brotherhood (most likely scenario) the remaining members may have still found a way to take out Mede II.
This gives me “I am the senate” vibes.
@@metetural9140 proof that being dragonborn aint jack, its all about tonal manipulation
@@salamilid7615 I thought it more that "The Dragonborn has no claims to become Emperor, stop circle jerking yourselves."
3:04 - 3:14 me after being with my first girlfriend for the first time.
😳
Hey you gotta figure it sometime
Wut
I had an ad for Cialis pop-up, so this made me laugh for a whole other reason.
I’m very disappointed you didn’t go with the name COOKIE WOOKIE.
I think the idea of him calling the hit on himself makes perfect sense, as it doesn't just crate a national panic (having the Emperor assassinated while there is a civil war going on) but also because it would be like a wakeup call. All the people who hated Titus would suddenly see what happens when their thinking/wishing comes true, how it throws everything into chaos and just makes things even worse. The majority of people don't think logically or sensibly, but with their emotions, and want nothing more than to have a calm peaceful life. They grumble when things are not the way the want, but when faced with an even worse prospect...well, their opinions change.
Yeah I think so too it's not just an unpopular emperor who gets killed often time it's the whole family if he planed it to look like the thalmor were in league with the dark brotherhood that may create a wave of national sentiment around Titus's heir.
Except it would, as you said, create fucking national panic and chaos.
The emperor gets assasinated by someone who is literally blessed by Akatosh.
The last big emperor assasination was on an emperor who was also blessed by Akatosh.
Almost as if the Mede dynasty kept the throne warm until someone with Talos' might can return to it.
I called Astrid "Mom" during the Dark Brotherhood questline because of how much she scolded me.
Well she IS the Matron of a Sanctuary
This reminds me of Archer
Don’t think that’s a good thing but ok
With the right mods she might not become your mom but she can definitely become your mommy if you catch my drift
Mike alpha what mod I want to download it right now for comedy
on my deathbed 40 years from now
Nate: The Skyrim Secret Bethesda's Still Hiding
60 years* :) ❤
@@kingofnorthumbria 4 years for me i hope
5:25 "In the year 3E 41, Emperor Pelagius Septim was murdered (...) His killing ushered in, shall we say, a necessary change in Imperial policy."
In 45 minutes, I thought you were going to allude to what happened after Pelagius Septim's death in order to figure out what the conspirators' aim was, but you never really went anywhere with it. Is there simply no information in the lore?
Pelagius was entirely crazy and I'm pretty sure they killed him to solve that particular problem for the empire.
@@yawnos That was Pelagius III, who died in the loony bin. Pelagius I is the guy who got assassinated. We don't know anything about the character other than his short reign and his murder, so we don't know what "policies" he had that needed to be changed.
@@Durwagon Ah, makes sense, rulers have tendency to re-use "powerful" names. I apparently forgot about the other ones.
Looked it up and Pelagius was followed by Kintyra Septim whose rule was "prosperous". She was followed by her son Uriel I who also had a successful reign. So it could simply be a reference to assassinating the emperor resulting in a quarter of century of prosperity and strength. Or more specifically Uriel I is credited with strengthening the imperial rule and unifying the empire by establishing rule of law and imperial organizations. With the empire falling apart and the emperor being wildly unpopular, the idea could be simply getting an emperor who can unify the humans against the Thalmor threat.
Additionally, the peace treaty is also wildly unpopular and having the imperial dynasty collapse might result in a new emperor not bound by its terms. This has actually been done in the real world. President of Finland signed a deal with Germans during WW2 where he promised not to make a separate peace with the soviets (in exchange for food deliveries), but it was a "personal" guarantee so when it became relevant he simply resigned and the Finnish government was free to sign a deal with the soviets. So if the emperor is in on it that is probably why.
@@villeniemi7754 that makes the most sense to me.
Just found this page today. Yes, I'm a grown man, but I love Skyrim lore. I listen to it in my car while driving or even at home whole working out. You Sir, have gained a new subscriber.
You miss out on a lot if you don't see the visuals during these videos, and I definitely don't recommend watching the screen while driving. 💀
@@LibraritheWizardOfficial I do.
When you discuss the reasons for face changes with Amaund Motierre, maybe its a possibility he went to the face sculptor in case the dragon born snitched to the empire? To try and change his face to go into hiding better?
I know I’m replying to this a year late, but I believe the face sculptor was added in the dawn guard dlc so it’s in a weird space between canon because mechanically, players wanted to change their face of their long time characters and dawn guard was the first dlc, but dawn guard is also canon so… it’s weird to consider the face sculptor
@@noahclayman6943 That’s true, imo though with a family as rich as the Motierre’s he probably definitely had access to face sculptors outside of skyrim, since we know that they exist in tamriel. Interesting theory though and more interesting than just saying it was developer over sight
I thought this too. Came here to see if anyone else did. Especially since the Face sculptor in Riften says she worked for high ranking Imperials in the city, if i remember right.
I think it was just a fuck up by Bethesda and doesn’t mean anything
Its a brown face bug from his texture mods. Happens a lot when a facegen file is missing.
When I first played Skyrim, I just assumed that Amound Mottiere was on the Elder Council and gave you his own amulet, and he wanted the Emperor dead so he could make himself the new Emperor.
I'm not so sure about the making himself emperor part, but it is an interesting speculation and I always believed Amound was a member of the council too.
I thought that too, especially since Astrid assumes he's ordering the hit to help himself move up in rank.
Just posted a comment similar to this, minus the Emperor thing, I don't think he wanted that.
I don't think it was his _own_ amulet. I always thought he nicked it from another's possessions so he wouldn't turn up at court without his.
A viable option. But i hope not. Way too generic
I never noticed that amaund's appearance changed after you killed the emperor. The more you know 😉
I never noticed, either
@Crow Yeah I'm actually wondering if both of them were stand-ins. If the real Motierre is as rich as we think and from the distant land of Cyrodil, then maybe both NPCs are just messengers.
@@marhawkman303 or he just went to the Flagan and got his facial reconstruction surgery. 😂
Honestly always killed him just after quest updates, so i never knew this
@@hopegaming867 TBF most guards state that she is bad at her job because she apparently butchered their faces, but maybe they didn't pay too much.
I'd propose the possibility that the emperor called the hit on himself, but only to fake his own death without even the dark brotherhood knowing so he could step down as emperor and live out his life in peace (how he manages to survive the hit, I don't know). This would explain why he requests you kill motierre, as it would satisfy sithis and the night mother's policy of dealing in blood; in oblivion, motierre gives his own mother's life for the same reason, only in this case he wouldn't mind the dark brotherhood knowing he's still alive since it's a rather localized issue.
None of the comments I saw mentioned this, though some got close, so I'm going to leave this here.
If Titus Mede abdicates, anyone who takes over after him will be tainted by his infamy. If he dies, the new ruler will be seen as having little to no ties to that infamy. That is true, however, what people are missing is why that would happen (and no, it isn't just because "people rally behind national patriotism when leaders are killed"). If TMII abdicates, the majority of commoners (the ones who actually riot and rebel rather than pull strings for a secondary or tertiary agenda) would see the situation as TMII choosing his successor. By proxy, all of the future emperors decisions are tainted by TMII's judgement. I.E. "Titus Mede II trusted him, so this must be something that Titus Mede II would have done." If TMII dies, at least the argument can be made that "He just inherited a bad hand from Bu-... his predecessor." q.q p.p =} ;}
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His bu?
This needs to be recognized more. Camelwork also made a video about this matter a long time ago and I pretty much agree it.
This line of thinking makes sense, but it would have been significantly easier for him to just fake his death, and wouldn't have involved killing his head of security and cousin (at, iirc, her own wedding).
@@Vaelosh466 True. He already had people fooled and a duplicate murdered. If he had gone into exile instead of revealing that it was a con, he could have gotten away with it
I think that the "Emperor" aboard The Katariah was a second double that was arranged personally by Titus Mede II because he suspected that The Dark Brotherhood wouldn't stop until it believed that it had succeeded and fulfilled it's contract. The "Emperor" clearly stated that he had no faith in the Penitus Oculatus and so he took arrangements into his own hands. The second double was supposed to both convince the assassin that he was real and convince the assassin to kill the original conspirator to end the threat to the Emperor.
Kill member of the elder council: nono
Kill emperor: yesyes
Don't waste time on the _little_ fish =)
JoJo meme
What do you think Delvin thought when he found out the emperor had been assassinated after he gave you credit for that amulet?
@@joelpierce1453 .oO(Better 'im than me, I say.)
@@joelpierce1453 "Wait, those guys KILL people?!"
Oh Delvin, you adorably dense guy.
Could it be possible that Rune, the Imperial who is a member of the Thieves Guild, and wears a strange amulet that has a language nobody can read be a Septum who attempted to return, but doesn't remember due to the ship wreck?
Thats a good theory. I have never done the Theives Guild till recently and was wondering about that guy. Nobody knows what the rune means, not even the mages guild. It could be because the rune is in the Akaviri language. Good eye.
@@brosephbroman7564 cornpop was a bad dude
@@-lnsertNameHere- And he ran a bunch of bad boys.
@@brosephbroman7564 😂 he sure did
I don't think so, seeing as he took the stone to the college of winterhold and they couldn't translate it, and yes we know they likely knew some akavir, the reason is at one point the akavir invaded northern skyrim, and some stayed and founded the blades so yeah, also there were some survivors of the akavir campaign, it might seem like a stretch but consider that we can translate dwemer texts despite them being gone for thousands of years, or as a real world example we can translate even tablets from the summerians that are so old there were still living mammoths when they were written... or carved i dont know the correct term, they were made from pressing a reed into a clay tablet.
The Skyrim Secret Bethesda's Still Hiding
There's a Todd Howard AI in the game waiting to activate so it can take over your computers and consoles and then dominate the world, it's why Skyrim is on every console ever made.
Even amazons Alexa, I'm not joking.
Except The gamecube.
Jacob Cain Are you sure about that?
Does that also apply to gta 5 since it's also been released on EVERY CONSOLE SINCE THE PS3
Nearing 1mill just restarted this beautiful game I'm now level 100
Enjoy it :)
@@planexshifter nothings better than spending 1hour on character creation
@@whoshouldplay4833 you know that's right
Facts
I'm just gonna say that Abraham Lincoln wasn't the most liked guy in his time; then he was assassinated and there was an influx of love and respect.
Aye. The man thought he was going to be heralded as a hero for killing Lincoln. The exact opposite happened instead.
Theres a difference between not being liked and being so hated that literally everyone wants you dead, even on your own council.
General Lee and many others were fighting for their home, land, and Country/State. Respect can be shown even for those you battle against.
Agreed. That's politics for you. In 1863 newspapers in the North openly printed stories of wanting a Brutus to deal with Lincoln
By 1865 the entire mood had changed, and Lincoln wasn't seen as a Caesar and Booth was universally condemned for his actions
No
"Believe it or not, Astrid will know if we read it before hand"
Not that hard to believe since the letter was sealed and you had to break the seal to read it...
me: reads the title
Also me: this is incorrect the biggest question surrounding Skyrim is how was the dragon born born
Lol true
You're character (female) from TES 4 secretly made love to Martin Septim, who was dragon born, during the Oblivion Crisis and gave birth to you
@@Littlemiss_infp Now you're over 200 years old, by the time you enter skyrim
@@aleyoakenshield5384 maybe your grandparents?
@@bananalord6980 So now you're 170 years old xD
Nate I'm in love with this long form content pls don't stop
Me playing the quest when I was younger: this feels like a set up for something.
Me playing the quest now: defiantly a set up of the highest order
The answer was simple: Amaund Motierre was trying to vie for the throne. Its what happens when you get the amulet appreciated. Which is validated by Titus Mede 2nd right before you kill him. Requires you talk to the Emperor. He is a part of the council. Its implied that Amaund is a member of the council that reigns when there isn't an Emperor. Usually, the head of said council is the defacto leader. That would be Amaund Motierre.
I have a theory for the changes in his face, he may have gone to the face sculptor from the ragged flagon and changed his appearance as a way to I guess escape anyone who was tracking him down for that assassination he ordered, I have nothing to back it up other than that's what just came to my mind once you pointed it out, but that's my theory
That is actually a damn good theory. A GAME THE- that's copyrighted...
Makes more sense than what Nate offered =)
The face sculptor wasn’t in the launch version of Skyrim
@@seanstamper1459 well game wise yes, lore wise...she was always at the place, maybe she was on business?
Only issue is that you can do this quest without DLC content (no sculptor)
You said you don’t think he called the hit on himself, but in my eyes it makes a lot of sense. His empire hated him, the dragons were back, and he likely knew that there might be a possibility that the septum bloodline survived. And considering the fact that we already killed a dud emperor, it wouldn’t be crazy to assume that he didn’t actually die, and we just killed another decoy. Even the man who hired us to kill the emperor is still alive. The dirt on his face was to hide the fact that it was a different person. When he said a lot of planning went into this, he wasn’t kidding. They came up with a way to kill the emperor, making it seem like it was all the dark brotherhoods idea. And the emperor no longer has to deal with the dragons, and the Thalmor, and the scorn of his people. Win-win.
the emperor killed himself because dragons are back, so there "might be a possibility" that the septum bloodline survived? Lol
@@whiskizyo2067 He said, "and he likely knew" as in that the dragons being back doesn't imply that the septim bloodline survived, but rather it is yet another reason.
This is the best theory
@@Dymetreus Its a fair assumption to say that the emperor knew of the dragonborn legand, given he was emperor and all, Id say its not a stretch to say he would assume the dragonborn would arise with the dragons, Possibly even calling the hit on himself so the dragonborn emperor bloodline could return. (He wouldnt know its the last dragonborn)
Fools! He was not dead because of this theory! I will say. He was not as " Mede " as his name says. He was scared. He WAS the last Septim. And he told the Empire and the hated him for being a liar. He wanted death. And he called upon the Dark Brotherhood. But Maro the fool was too protective. As he was just trying to stall. So the decoy was set up! Then as you progress you finally end his Septim life. He feared the gates would open again and now he did not have the Amulet of Kings he was murdered in a graceful way. But right as you pierced his heart he remembered that the Gates of Oblivion were already closed forever. So as he turned around with your Blade in his chest he couldn't even say what he wanted to say " Wait! I remember! Don't kill me! I will give you as much coin as you need! " ( groans and lies down dead.)
Me: Uriel was in Akavir and there's an extremely high chance one of his descendants may be alive you say???
Rogvir: You were caught trying to cross the border.
Oof
BROOOOO THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE DRAGON BLOOD!!! Okay I stan this theory
I don't think Uriel V survives in Akavir, i think he just gonna get eaten by the tsaeci since he invaded their homeland
maybe the player has the bloodline of septim
Huh... Never thought of it that way. And the reason why you can be any race is because you take that from your mother. This way your father could be a Septim descendant and your mother could be of any playable race.
TheEpicNate315 you are the reason I decided to give Skyrim and Fallout 4 another chance after becoming a more competent gamer. Got my butt kicked when I was younger and thought it just wasn’t for me. But the stories are so good and I never would have known without you.
I absolutely adore this kind of video. These longer, more speculative videos, both for Skyrim, and for Fallout.
I would honestly love to see you just play through skyrim and hear all your input. I think it would be different and very interesting
Unless he sucks at improvisation.
I think that would be very cool to see a let’s play by him!
it'd be awesome, Skyrims very own tour guide haha. And here the emperor is assassinated, we aren't currently sure why, let me explain the story....
25:23 Avatar meme opportunity missed. Should have gone with "Everything changed when the Deadra attacked."
My pretty simple really-just-played-Skyrim-and-nothing-else mind screaming at me since the amulet was mentioned that he might be simple and plainly member of the council because that seems far easier then assuming he somehow intermingled with them, was given one of their amulets or paid of by the emperor with one of those very specific, easy to trace pieces of jewelry - unless he really just had it and confident enough we'd be in on his plan. The possibility was brought up 43:00, leaving me listening very closely up to this point. Well played, well played
What’s up, just started watching, love your content overall, keep up the good work and investigations
Welcome to the wonderful world of learning things you never knew you needed to know! =)
"Stress isn't gonna give ya a new pair of ears!" -Epicnate 2020
The emperor is actually extremely chill and kind I kinda regret killing him love looting the cabin tho 😂
Edit: thanks for all the likes😊👍
Ikr my inner thief is in heaven when i get there
Loot the cabin and leave
How not to kill the emperor?
Answer: Never join the dark brother.
Well, he let the Dovah atone for the crime.
Motierre always ends up poisoned with the jarrir root in my games.
@@Oakang an even better way not to kill the emperor is kill grelod the kind but then when you're in the abandoned Shack and Astrid is sitting on top of the bookcase just kill her with your arrows or spells and then go tell the Imperial legion that you just killed the leader of the Dark Brotherhood
31:50 can we just appreciate the voice acting right here
1992: 'I wanna be a fireman when I grow up"
2020: "I wanna be a Elder Scrolls RUclipsr when I grow up"
2020: I wanna be alive when I grow up
2021 I wanna never had existed.
That is the sad state of the western world. We are pretty much doomed.
@@David-ud9ju sure buddy
@@David-ud9ju yeah nah people make good money doing this stuff if they do it right
And then they also don't have to worry about dying a painful fire death. Y'know like how firemen have to worry about that.
I seriously love skyrim history. It's so fascinating that Bethesda has put so much into the game that it feels like actual history. Or maybe people have made all this shit up. Either way, it's fun to dive into. Plus, you do an excellent job at explaining and researching
Epic Nate content will always keep me coming back even if absent for a spell! One of the best!
Thanks Nate!