The intro was my first attempt at trying to make a cinematic intro so I hope it was not too long. Please let me know if this video gave you some inspiration to try out the Mirage. Please like and subscribe if you would like to support the channel. Thank you. My discord server can be found here: discord.gg/RFJXX9XhYe
bc I LOVE the M200C, I was excited to watch your vid but that intro really pulled me in ! GIMME MOAR PLZ, also thank you for listing the song, you'd be surprised at how many ppl don't
The Mirage is deadly in the mountains, but my favorite thing is to hunt Tomcats in open flat terrain with it. It's excellent at notching, and usually bandits come from the same bearing as their AWACS, so you can notch them both at the same time. I literally just wait for them to fly over me, and hit them from below. Works great on Vipers and Hornets too, although they're more difficult to notch. There's nothing finer than wiping out a 3-ship who were up in the contrails, headed supersonic towards their nearest datalink contact. I've never had a Mirage do that to me when I'm in one of those planes, but I can only imagine it's like getting attacked by a Nile crocodile at the water's edge.
@@Enigma89 not to mention in a dogfight if you do the merge right you almost always will get the missile off the rail first and if it goes to guns with some altitude you are inside their turn circle all the time keeping them very defensive I've done dogfights in mobettametas dogfight server and against a dude only using the mirage. absolutely saw the dominance in a 1 circle and in general. only thing i could do is su-33 cobra in the fox 2 realm to try and beat his nose position and same in the hornet. he won most the matches but in guns I couldn't get him unless were on the deck and low energy
My confession is that I have not used it for a2g but based on your comments and the others I will try it out. Thx for sharing. Please consider subbing if you haven't already! ✌✊🤞
I really want more Redfor aircraft, Soviet, Chinese even Indian. Su-30MKI's for example I think would be an awesome addition, I'm keen for the Mig-23 buy id also really like MiG-25's/31's. Balance it out and also still give a level of asymmetry to the fight.
I agree with you 100%. MP isn't very interesting on some of the MP servers because they try to match the planes up and it deletes the asymmetry of the fights. They need more redfor planes.
I wish there was more early bluefor aircraft. There are enough redfor aircraft to recreate any conflict pre 1980 but a stunning lack of corresponding bluefor aircraft.
@@cyberpunkalphamale No god just no. Not in DCS. It needs to focus more on the Late cold war. There were alot more planes that could be simulated. LAOMAC had the era right. I don't really know what happened with DCS in 2018 till now. But there are a ton of late cold war jets coming. Razbam needs to start on there Mig-23MLA. If ED gets to do the Mig-29 we can have some realistic balanced fights.
@@cyberpunkalphamale If you want to play fake aircraft then play War Thunder or Ace combat. I do hear VTOL VR is pretty fun. DCS started out as a place to collect the most realistic study simulations of combat aircraft ever made. For the most part it has managed to stay true to that. There are places like the F-16 flight model that still need some work, but I would bet good money that ED will get it right some year. Also there are some concessions made to realism, the Groma on the Mig-21, or the TGP on the Cat. But those basically have an asterisk next to them saying for game play purposes only. Fake aircraft would ruin DCS completely. There is no way it could compete against other arcade Sims, and the fan base it's spent over a decade building up would abandon it, myself included.
I find that the 2K has a very satisfying flight model. Something about just feels right. It's great at maneuvering, yet doesn't feel like it's on rails.
Re: INS Alignment time: If the server allows it you can perform a 90s stored heading alignment. Simply move the INS Mode selector to ALCM, press VAL on the INS panel, and it'll be done in 90s
I’ve been getting into the Mirage recently after starting on the F-15 and Viper, without a lot of multiplayer success. I’m around the 200 hours logged stage across DCS in general and still feel like a noob because I struggle to find people due to not knowing where to look on the map, not being able to tell where the front line is, which runways are friendly and that sort of thing - the gameplay dynamics are more of a hurdle than controlling the plane or it’s systems, but I’m like you in that I much prefer the ACM, close range manoeuvring fights than the Fox 3 stuff. The Mirage is either perfect for me in difficulty, management and capability, or I’ve just reached that point in game hours where things click, it’s a dream to fly and I managed to kill another player on my first solo PvP flight, which can’t be said for any of my FC3 planes, and I’m still yet to have what I would call a “good” fulfilling flight in the Viper. As it happens, I’ve been flying the M2C on BlueFlag 80s - regarding the INS, there is a short version. You input all the info, but then instead of turning the dial to ALN, I think it’s called C-ALN instead, takes probably 2/3 minutes, I didn’t time it, but it’s basically the same as using stored heading in the Viper rather than doing a full alignment, by the time you’ve got everything else ready you’ll be ready to roll. I arm up first, whilst inputting my knee board data, then whilst I’m refuelling I’ll start the alignment and sort out everything else. Nice video, fully agree, and subbed 👌🏼👍🏼
One thing I Forgot to respond earlier, your general sense of being 'lost' or 'unsure' with the state of the DCS map and where the enemy are and where the frontlines are is super common. One thing I can maybe suggest and it feels really lame to do this but you just gotta do it until you are a regular on a server - look at where people are spawning. The first time I spawn on a new mission/server, I look at where everyone is spawning then look at the map and then you can kind of piece together where action should be happening. It doesn't help that Requesting a Picture from the AWACS annoys everyone on your side. It feels really 'gamey' to look at where people are spawning but everyone is doing it. In an ideal world, there would be a way to represent areas of ownership on a map to better illustrate the scenario set up to players.
Interesting take on the mirage, a while ago I used to exclusively play the SU27/MiG29 and it always felt so demoralizing to know that you were always at a disadvantage in terms of systems and weapons and when I bought the F18/F14/F16 it felt really liberating knowing that you were now in an even playing field. However, what you said in the first part of your video resonated with me very well, MP has just turned into a spam fest of Aim120 and AIM54s all over the place and MP, in general, has lost its charm (at least in modern warfare servers). The mirage seems like a very interesting plane but I am afraid that it's just going to feel like a downgraded flanker even if it has its own systems that are in some ways superior to even the viper and the hornet.
I love the Flanker, before I started playing the Mirage, my default choice was the Flanker. The biggest advantage that the Flanker has over the Mirage is the datalink. Now you don't have a datalink in the Mirage but you do have a pretty decent radar, a ridiculous weapon warning system (it warns you about IR missiles too) and you are very nimble + maneuverable. I find the flying part and dodging enemy missiles to be much easier in the Mirage than the Flanker. The way I see it, the hard part is surviving the Fox-3 barrage until you can maneuver into range. With the acceleration of the Mirage, it's maneuverability, jammer and RWR, it is far easier to survive the Fox-3 barrages than the Flanker. So the hard part is much easier with the Mirage. Then once you are within Fox-2 range, the Mirage is going to essentially out maneuver everything in a single turn, so basically, if you get in range chances are is that you are going to win. That's my take on it so far. The jammer is really interesting on the Mirage, I wanted to talk about it in the video but I do not know all the nuances of it yet so I left it out as I did not want to give incorrect information. Thx for your comment.
My project file got boned so I could not make the last tweaks to this video. Some notes... 02:54 What I mean here is that different planes want to fight in different ways. 05:59 The line on the RWR is the direction the enemy missile is being fired from, this being detected by the MWS. It's very useful information/SA in a fight. 13:13 I want to clarify my comment here. There are some great players that can do BFM in DCS. My statement here is that in comparison to IL-2 where all fighting is BFM, DCS has a lot of players that stick to Fox-3 fighting only. So if you can catch them in a knife fight with the Mirage, you should be able to win out with just your maneuvering. Most of the fighting in growling isn't reliant on BFM and the Mirage excels at it. 13:45 These missiles are being fired too close as indicated by the range indicator (bottom right of HUD), so this is why they are failing to connect.
So the other good thing about the Mirage is it's strong ECM and the all altitude performance of the fighter. It has the fuel to stay low and fast... And it still performs extremely well at high altitudes. The MWR only works as long as you have Magic missiles. It also is a very effective air to ground platform. Probably one of the better bomb trucks.
@@brindevie22 I think the Mirage can be quite fast at high alt so the idea is you can just run away from Fox-3 missiles if you get shot at high up. I have not done extensive testing with it but I know Tempest does try to meme at high alt with it. He has surprised me with his success with it. I prefer flying low though. I tried flying a Mig-29 at like 11km altitude you can catch some people with your speed off guard because you can just dive into people once they have wasted their missiles and be in their face rather quickly. The issue is that on growling there are a ton of people flying so you get 3rd partied often =\
Thank you for vid enigma. I am exactly the same. After dominating the canyons with the su27, I’ve really enjoyed terrorising those same su27 pilots with the mirage. Silky smooth. It’s funny cos no one expects a mirage in their face and I actually love its guns too. The only downside is the fox 1 losing track of targets at times. I’m sometimes tempted to just run 4*magic, for the knife fight in a phone booth feel. You?
I've done the 4x Magic load and it's fun in a suped-up F-5 kind of way. But the Super 530 is still a really good missile if you treat it as a short-range weapon. Very often when I'm in the Mirage, I'm hooking Hornets and Vipers from below. There is almost nothing on this Earth more inevitable than a low-to-high 530 kill from 4nm. It's fast, very maneuverable, and against the empty blue sky never loses track or eats countermeasures. If I'm carrying Magics only, a couple flares and a quick 9X completely turn the tables on me. I find both missiles equally valuable. That said, one time there was an error in an 80s server's mission, where Tomcats were allowed AIM-54s but Mirages were heaters only. The Tomcats were harvesting all the poor Sparrow-armed Hornets. I took the Mirage, notched a Tomcat all the way to the merge, had a ~90 second dogfight, and got him with guns. Turns out he was with TAW and flew in SATAL. One of my proudest kills ever.
Absolutely. Well done man. I like the 530s but they are kind of short range too. I’d so love the mirage to have a real long range missile. Give us the Mica!
@@Owen-fn8ff Oh man. The Mirage with Micas would be nuts. Most people don't realize it because we fly it low, but the Mirage will fly circles around the Eagle and Viper at 50,000ft. It has serious maneuverability, doesn't bleed it's energy, and can stay at mach 2+ for half an hour. It's impossible to get hit by a 120 unless you get stupid close. But the 530 is so hopeless that you still can't hit the Amraamers without getting stupid close. With a Mica where you could shoot and then to avoid their missile, you could operate like a MiG-31 on the server. I have a video on my channel from Tacview of a flight where I shot down the enemy's AWACS, had the whole enemy team try to intercept me, and I just drove away.
When losing a radar lock you quickly switch into the boresight, vertical or horizontal mode mode and try to reaquire the target. It happens to Enigma in this video at 8:24 (ruclips.net/video/pnf46pPWMFE/видео.html starting at 8:20) but he quickly reacquires the target and the 530 still hits. I guess keeping the lock and being able to quickly reacquire it, is the reason why you should keep the locked target in the cricle as it's recommended in the manual. As JETZcorp said, you can treat the 530 as a deadly short range fire-and-forget missile.
you also shot your Magic in to the sun. made it real easy to spoof :) I love the baguette :) It was the plane that really got me in to DCS. the campaign from Baltic Dragon really walks you through the systems of the M2k. Its wonderful, and Raz has cleaned it up a lot. its about to get better too with the assistance of France's ADA :)
Right now it's my favorite plane to fly. I even advise this as the first plane to buy from DCS. I have F-16, F-18, FC3, Ka-50 among others, but the Mirage 2000C is where I have the most fun.
Good to see the mirage get some love. I fly it all the time and many people misunderstand its capabilities. Probably because of the grim reapers review"they miss represented ita capabilities due to it being an uncommon design".its incredibly deadly in the right hands.
The S530 is an amazing missile: Be sure to use the flood mode if you have interrupted lock and re aquire. If you get within 10 nmi, the 530 will hit the enemy so fast they almost certainly cannot evade. Also, using airbrakes and delta drag, you can force overshoots like nobody's business. Get good at nose control in low energy states, and magic them when they separate. The Mirage's only other weakness is energy recovery is low and sustained turn fights down low with hornets or Tomcats (flap guys) are death. Finish your fights before the merge, or in one turn and you'll rarely be better served in a DCS module. Watch corner speed and if you get in a valley fight that you aren't winning, the Mirage, esp. clean, is faster than anything except a viggen on the deck with a small head start. It also has a good IR signature when you chop throttle and pull with flares: Only missile to fear is the Amraam and aim9x from rear aspect. I love the mirage... and I feel a good mirage pilot is the best skilled DCS aviator of the 4th gen planes. It doesn't have crutches like datalinks or IRST. It's ground strikes are a few mk 82s or old fashioned gun kills. (30mm HE can kill anything short of an MBT). Mirage was my second module after hornet. While I main the F16 for multirole and style... if I had a -5 and a multi role kit for a Mirage, I'd be back in it and not look back. The Hornet lacks the feeling of speed and power. The 16 is close, but its maneuverability is just a tad less than the M2000. The Mirage does what you ask it to do: even when it probably would be wiser not.to ask such things. I've done gun runs in a Mirage at negligently unsafe angles that a 16 or hornet would pancake trying. The Mirage's one weakness if it has one is that IRL.its Belouga cluster bombs are anti-everything. In DCS, like all non 99 series clusters they almost never work at all. Not Razbam's fault either. Low diameter rockets in DCS also rarely work as advertized, either, leaving the mirage's a2g as pitiful when compared to JDAM and multi rack F18/16s. Hopefully Razbam or ED will address those issues.
I absolutely LOVE the Mirage 2000C! I didn't realise it was on your server...REFOR by any chance? I can't really fly on your server because I can't spot aircraft until they're behind me shooting me down and there's only so many times you can restart your jet before you reexamine your life :D
I enjoy the Mirage, my only grief is the changes every few months that makes all my mappings useless. She's a sweet fighter. The side panels are really hard for me to read in the Oculus right now....need to upgrade!
The Mirage 2000-5 had been dominating the skies in the Aegean and elsewhere for 2 decades now. Its Radar, Mica IR and EM Missiles, its ECM and maneuverability make it the deadliest aircraft around. It was funny to see the Lockheed guys trying to mute everyone talking about the Dash-5....
My biggest problem with the mirage is only two fox 1's, really makes it limited in how many engagements you can do, which sucks cause its engine is so fuel efficient, I always have above half fuel after I get 1 or 2 kills with 530, then its just magics. If you get spotted early magic can't get the heat off your back and you are forced to struggle into the merge, which isn't always possible. So a Mirage 2000-5 would be the best thing. Makes me wonder what the problem was with the M2K designers, it had plenty of spots for bombs so why not modify it to fit 2 more fox 1 on the underbelly.
Thanks for the vid, gonna get the Mirage now, as it is on sale. It surely looks refreshing to play, I mostly fly the F/A-18C and F-16C, so pretty much SPAMRAAM trucks. Edit: M2C got a big update last week, what are your thoughts on this? Are there substantial changes for A2A combat?
I am still figuring out what they changed. I know they changed a lot to a2g. I didn't notice any changes to a2a so far but i did have to remap the a2a modes. I haven't seen anyone complaining about it so i think it's okay. Once I had it mapped and I flew, i did not notice anything funky and chuck did not make any changes to his guide.
The Jf-17 also has a missile warning system, although its series of optical sensors so unfortunately it will alert no matter who the launch is aimed at, although you do get an indicator on the SA page. This is a cool video, and I totally understand your disinterest in BVR combat.. I like this take on the M2000. I told myself I would never buy a razbam plane again after the Harrier but this looks fun.. I could get into this lol
I kinda mentioned it in the video but I will go into it a bit more. I am not one of these people that will buy every module on release date. I still don't have the hind because of how weary I am. Only buying things that are basically done. If every module maker released things as complete as Deka with the JF-17, then I would have more trust but I don't. Heatblur and Deka are the only two makers where I will buy things on release date. The Mirage is fun because it feels like you are flying a modern day Mig-21 so instead of being a straight up meme on growling, you have enough modern systems to not feel like you are flying totally blind.
Mirage is my favourite fox1 platfrom, its fast, its radar is reliable and the S530D is just deadly. and man your BFM skill is amazing! BTW you can choose to do a fast INS allignment which takes only approximately 3 min. I also love the helmet radar visor, super helpful to maintain visual contact on target while cranking during a head on.
Great video! you dont use IFF interrogate to identify? I just did my first multiplayer and could not get by without interrogating IFF. Really helpful. It would tell you A for ally on the HUD or just a long dash underneath the target square for enemy.
Love the Mirage, truly wish we could get an upgrade module to a 2000-5 with AMRAAM compatibility. Or even better, upgrade module to a 2000-5 with the MICA-EMs.
My favourite one is the Mirage IIIC in bare metal finish but sadly wise DCS lacks a lot of great Cold War Fighter Jets like F-4,F-100,F-104,F-105 just to name a couple ones and not even a Vietnam Map damn it...
The Mirage f1 is coming very soon. I am working on a PVP dynamic campaign multiplayer server. Feel free to subscribe, we hope to make news on it in 4-5 weeks. SOme info is getting teased out on the discord (link in description) occasionally. Thx for making a comment
AMRAAMS are easy to beat. Especially if you have to find your opponent. MP, if you start at 30k co-altitude, 60nm part, facing each other.. its not Dogfighting. Thats Cheesedick AirQuake. Every F14 pilot i know.. "im a pilot" cold launching half a dozen phoenix at 50nm, at opponents spawned in your radar envelope, ejecting and starting over.
Those 30k feet players are the reason i’m sticking with PVE servers like 4Ya… i have no clue about any callouts either and bogey dope confused the fuck out of me, so many numbers lmao but i thought of getting the M2000 at sale and thanks to you, i will, alongside with syria probably
That's why I like the hornet, it also has really modern systems and weapons for locking targets down low, plus it has great instantaneous turn rate. And obviously it offers a lot of variety as a multirole navy aircraft.
2:28 if anyone ever sees this, you make a good point here but its not about the aircraft. Its about how you use it. Personally i love a2g with the viper and going for the e-3. Or trying a2g munitions on helis. Its about the pilot, not the aircraft. Good night.
Mirage is a blast. Also it's still getting a lot of love. Next OB update PCA logic is getting updated, new weapons, new A/G radar mode. The A/A radar is also being currently updated thanks to the AdA helping out and a newer french dev who seems obsessed with making it the most 1:1 airframe he can within reason.
I am so excited for it. I hope the -5 gets made one day! It would really shake up the scene if this thing did get Fox-3s. Thx for watching and welcome to the channel, please consider subscribing if you like the other videos.
I considered the mirage, but it just seems like a downgraded su 27. Ended up going for the viggen instead, it offered something i did not already have.
I have the viggen. I think it's the best module that I cant get into. Like its quirky and cool but I just couldn't get into it. I wish I did though cause I love anti-ship stuff.
The balls on this man to fly a mirage 2000c into a lobby of f16s and f18s this mans insane mirage only has fox 1s and fox 2s meaning you cant notch or bank an enemy shot without ur missile going heywire
As french, I love to fly the Mirage. Incredible plane even if, like you say, we are more into the "fox3 era",right now. But maybe we will get a -5 version (actually it's done for the Armée de l'air, so maybe one day) that will put an end to the bad side of the 2000c (no fox 3 and only 4 missiles). But like you say, having to fight for a kill is really what's make dcs fun.
I wonder how the Mig-29A radar is going to be. The Mirage has a pretty decent sized cone and you can get a pretty decent picture with the b-scope view. The Mig-29, based on my experience on FC3, feels like you are looking through a pretty narrow area with how the visuals appear in BVR mode. So it may get tricky to fly with limited visibility and low fuel (!)
@@Enigma89 My understanding is that is kinda how it was. The West had batter avionics throughout the cold war. The M2000C was a proper 4th gen. Really the Mig-29 is like a 3rd++. It has a HUD, and a decent radar, but it's not on par with the Western tech. Plus the 29 wasn't fly by wire.
@@Enigma89 Glad to see the Mirage getting some love. What's hard to capture about this plane is that... in spite of all the plane's technical shortcomings compared to this or that... what it can do, it does exceptionally well. And the mentality you have to have to fly it is such a knife's edge balance between absolute predatory focus and sheer joy. Unlike the F5 or Mig 21, the Mirage can -consistently- deliver. And seriously, don't underestimate the 530 as a short range missile. Its lethal up close: Pull a little extra lead (dump speed) and let one go. Folks run 4x magic and I don't get it. My hit rate with 530Ds in parameters is over 85%. French range cues on the HUD -mean- what they say, unlike Russian and US ones. I get plenty of 530 kills under 3 nmi. Save the magics for last resort.
If the M2000C had 4 S530, I'd expect 3.5 kills a sortie. Its an absolutely lethal missile, so long as the pilot doesn't try to treat it like an R27 or Sparrow or even Amraam.
I mean I like that GS exists even though I don't love playing it. Do I play on there a lot? Yes but I feel like I have to because some of the other servers just don't have the pop that makes me sad. DCS Multiplayer community needs a big shake up and a new server to really house 24/7 pop alongside GS.
@@videogaminbiker889 It is somewhat possible in DCS. There are a few servers that do it but they haven't seem to strike the right balance to get enough people in there constantly. There is DDCS which is the old school dynamic campaign server which was popular and then the community imploded. I heard that the owner is a jerk so a ton of people left. I do not have first hand experience but this is what I have heard from a ton of people. BlueFlag is a popular server series but not popular enough to hold enough population to be played on everyday. My biggest issue with this server is that they have limited lives and require cold starts + fueling of your planes at the beginning which seems rather pointless to me for a PVP server. There is also RSR which I think tried to really tackle the dynamic campaign angle similar to blueflag but with a more casual approach. They have a small but super dedicated population. The thing with that server though is that it allows for the creation of ground units so a few dedicated people can turn every city into Hanoi and it's an insane SAMs nest. I think RSR is interesting but it has a huge emphasis on ground forces. *Disclaimer, I am technically on the RSR staff according to Discord but I have not actively participated in that server since November 2020. I have heard many whispers of a new server coming but nothing confirmed yet.
@@Enigma89 I pretty much have up on the PVP side of DCS because all it is is Fox-3 quake pilots. Flying whatever the meta broken unfinished module that ED has released. The few PVP servers that have a good balance to them are not flown often by most pilots because it requires them to understand how to properly start their aircraft.
@@louhodo5761 I agree with you. It seems like the community wants to play the newest module regardless if its a buggy POS or not. Then also want to fly Hornets armed to the teeth with FOX-3s. It's not interesting or fun. There is not enough asymmetry to make the fights interesting. I am hearing some real whispers about a new server that may shake up the scene but nothing that can be made public yet. If anything were to come, I will announce it here.
Great video man. Love fighting in the mirage. Love the cockpit layout and look as well. Outstanding maneuverability. Again, nicely done doc on the DCS Mirage.
Hey man, thanks a lot i appreciate it. I mostly focus on il-2l but will try to sprinkle in DCS videos when i can. Please consider subscribing if you like the channel
@@Enigma89 actually I find the trick is treat it like IL-2 and use the fixed crosshair on the hud for it. Don't follow the tape, and just use the circle secondary your accuracy will greatly improve.
You have just convinced me to try out the Mirage. I have it like a few years now, but never really flown it that much. After researching how much updates the Mirage got, I am really thinking of trying it out. Right now i went from Helos to the Harrier, which i love to fly since A2G is my cup of coffe, but i think it needs a bit of more updates and fixes. All in all, I prefer aircraft that provide hands on flying experience, and make you feel that you are actually flying. Hard to explain, but i will put it this way: I have tried to like the Hornet, carrier ops, its system managment and BVR capability. But frankly speaking, i found it boring. Now things like helicopters, AV-8B, and i think also the Mirage will give me what I like most. Also in my opinion, i think the Mirage has more than enough A2G capability. As a delta wing, it will also provide invaluable experience once the Eurofighter comes. Anyway, you sir have earned a sub, great video! Thanks
Well done, the tribute to one of the best fighters in the world. I wish the C version would be finally upgraded! For example with a faster turbine, canards, and a rotating guns-turret under the nose for 20mm bullets.
Its not that you will be facing "dcs" players, is that you are facing GS server players, most of them are fairly new to the game, and all they know to do is that arcade setup of GS server, almost a war thunder face to face combat So 90% of them have no idea what a m2000 is, like that poor f16 lol Even with all its deficiencies, unreliable missiles and low number of them, the m2000c its just beautiful and amazing, when you dont need to align the INS xD
Sort of lost my love for DCS once I started playing in VR - optimization just isn't there yet unlike in IL-2 - hopefully they can sort it sometime in the future cause like you said the Mirage is a great module.
I pretty much only play DCS when I am too tired to play IL-2. I find it really hard to play DCS non-stop because of the lack of polish of the game. With that said, it is a fun game when you play it occasionally. What VR set are you using?
@@Enigma89 You mean you don't enjoy playing Wags' Loading Screen Simulator? I'm using the Rift S, got it at a good price and it works great. I know there's a lot of complaining about spotting in VR in IL2 and to an extent it's true - sometimes you can't really know if someone's a friend or foe until you're in a bad spot - but I think the positional awareness it gives you makes up for that disadvantage, losing someone in a tight furball isn't nearly as easy as it is with trackIR. Downside is it's hard to go back to CLoD or something with headtracking afterwards lmao
The rule for not paying for a module until it is 100% done is such a good one. Speaking as someone who got burned by the fucking T.1 Hawk (and a few others) lol
Very interesting video! How about the fuel management? To you dump all your bags once in the mountains or you can keep say just the central one and stay quick enough?
If you looking for WVR engagements in PvP you cant go wrong with Alpenwolf's Cold War 1947-1991 server. Main heros are F5Es and MiG21s, and mostly rear aspect IR missiles only. Great fun and great dog fights PS M2k got slew magic seeker to radar lock option. Combined with excellent Magic agility it can make for poor man's off-boresight capability ^^
I actually really like that Cold War server. I played on it for nearly 4 hours yesterday with some people and putting together a video. It's a great breath of fresh air to play on there and have been playing it more regularly in the last month. The quality of players on there seems to be just better overall, my guess is because the super focused plane sets allows for everyone to get really comfortable in the F-5 or Mig-21. I heard about that new magic seeker to radar lock option but haven't dove into that quite yet. But I am sure that will be sweet once I figure that out. I Just got a new throttle so I am spending a lot of time remapping everything.
Instead of doing that lengthy INS alignment just set it to ACLN, set your other switch to STS, then hit the glowing Val button next to the multi segment display. Then it will count down from 100 to 0 set it to nav, and set the other nob back to N. It isn't realistic I don't think, and is a setting that can be turned off, but most servers leave it on for convenience sake. There isn't even any inputting of the coordinate like the original alignment requires.
Now 530D has been reworked and is pretty bad at low speed, but sneaking in the mountains is still pretty fun with magics and cannons, and having a 30+ nautical miles' 530D at high speed / high altitude is not a bad deal.
You actually got me hooked on the Mirage, I trialed it and bought it last week. It's really fun and I can't say the lack of fox3s is holding me back much.
If you would allow this bird on your server that would be great 👍🏻😬, if the 530s are considered too modern for the server you could omit them from the load out , you could allocate only so many Mirages per map too .
I love this plane but I fucking hate 530d.. It's just so weak or should I even say useless.. And u always have to be faced to the target after launch it so the missile wouldn't stop trackin the target. But more likely ur dead in this case or ur missile won't hit the target if u decide to evade hostile's missile unfaced it. Btw if u got hit ur missile stops track the target aswell.. So fucking disgusting..
I would get the mirage rn if I could afford it, definitely the next module I’ll be picking up! I also love going low in the mountains and engaging those dirty redfor players, but I fly the f18. Sparrows are really good for close range so I’m typically calling fox-1 regardless of what kind of terrain I fly, even if it’s Persian gulf or Caucasus.
Nice man. I will do another mirage video at some point. Been playing it still just trying to figure out what sort of video I will do with it. I am doing a cold war server breakdown soon. Thx for watching
@@Enigma89 awesome! You fly it amazing and it’s one of the best most recent videos I’ve seen of the mirage, awesome! I’ll definitely watch it, I already did your DCS content is great (watching the SU27 vid)
@@nachopc6437 Thanks. There is a lot of DCS content out there so hard to make something new and exciting but I will try to see when I find an interesting theme come up in videos and will make it.
I wish hot starts were more welcomed in the community for this reason. Its crushing to do the whole start up and realize your trackir had to be restarted 😬
@@Enigma89 you can restart trackir without leaving aircraft. Alt+Tab, restart it, then go back to dcs and open adjust controls and hit the button that says rescan input devices. Or something to this effect. I do it automatically now so it is kinda hard to remember the exact steps.
I got my first (and only) 4 player kill in a single sortie against 4 mirages, on the GS server. They all popped up between mountains about 20 miles from their home base, and I don't know if any of them ever knew what was going on, but the lack of a data link in modern DCS is a huge drawback, and in any teamgames, massive respect if you can make the m2000 work for you. I'm my book, it's a 1on1 guns only dogfighter, or multirole Vs AI.
Not having data link does really suck but being able to just whip it around in the Mirage makes it really neat so you just need to survive and get within arms reach (missile range) and you should be okay. It's not easy but I personally find it more fun and enjoyable to fight with the Mirage than just slinging out Fox-3 missiles. I do end up flying the SU-27 a lot because of data link. I will be releasing another flanker video highlighting some thoughts and a breakdown of a sortie soon, so be on the lookout.
@@Enigma89 the spamram tactic, I dunno mixed thoughts. It a bit lame going after 1 guy by repeatedly launching them out, he's defending so much and has no clue how many were fired, let alone how many are still hot... That being said, if someone is gonna waste 6-10 missiles on a single enemy aircraft, they better hope nobody else is around. Some of the easiest PvP kills are going after that guy, the one who's got your team mate boresighted, and giving chase with repeated fox3's. It's a bit like an unplanned tag/bag. The kinda thing I did when I first flew with F15 years ago. It's a lesson some quickly learn, and most for whatever reason don't. I always found it strange 90% of the kills on public servers with say 50 players on, come from 10% of the players. I'm wish I knew why, it would make it better for everyone, obviously skill levels will vary, but most people log off without a single kill. What I love about the data link and the f18 it's ability to practice what the su27/mig29 does so well, ie hiding in the weeds, radar off, popping up just high enough to grab the occasional data link refresh, or RWR, and then hunting someone down using eyeballs (it's easier to see aircraft in VR at the 5-15nm range, since about DCS2.7 almost on par with flatscreen). The data link/eyeball/RWR usage nose cold, is obviously critical, and the fox2’s.. I like the 9x's for obvious reasons.
@@Enigma89 and I'll keep a look out for that video, I think what DCS/RUclips community is missing, is the more complete player v player AA tutorials/guides. There's too much emphasis on "press this then this then hold this, press that" and this is confusing how to fire a missile, not play PvP. There's a lot on pure 1v1 dogfights which is great for those situations, but that's very rare in public, you might get a 1v1 for 60sec if you're lucky, but a third party is gonna wrap that up. The other end you have clips showing the cockpit where someone has a blast on a server, but it teaches beginners almost nothing, because there's no feel for the battlespace, especially when clips are cut up. Yes the boring bits, but those bits are critical to show the timings, the thought processes, radar contacts, those little blips that could be etc. It's not a critic of anyone, someone new to DCS and you've figured out how to takeoff and turn radar on and fire the missile, there's something missing for most getting them to that first kill., Dunno if you agree, I suspect this is why most people pad out the numbers on multiplayer servers and log off after being shot down 2-3* without getting a kill.
@@Enigma89 I do not know from where it came from. Shutters are clearly visible at the beginning of the video. It can be that you PC is producing those in the game. It can be that you capture SW adds those. It can be that you are capturing at 25 fps while the game has non 25 multiple fps like 20 (in this case some frames in final video will be duplicated). Finally it can be from video processing SW like adobe of you captured at 25 but want to export to youtube in 30fps. From the video I see it seems it is a combination of several of those as the effect os so much visible. You are loosing several frames pes each second.
@@radoslawbiernacki I haven't noticed in my most recent videos so it may have just been a mistake on my end in this video but thanks for flagging. I will keep an eye out. I try to make sure everything is 2k and 60fps.
Oh man, coming from IL2 scene, not been playing tho for years because of biased planes. I have been having Mig-21 and F-14 for a loong time, never had time to really start flying them. Now I have been practicing couple of days in DCS now in F-14, yesterday first time on dogfight server, I like it a lot because of no fly by wire in it, but this video really inspired me to get Mirage. Liked and subscribed! S! and see you in the air!
The intro was my first attempt at trying to make a cinematic intro so I hope it was not too long. Please let me know if this video gave you some inspiration to try out the Mirage. Please like and subscribe if you would like to support the channel. Thank you. My discord server can be found here: discord.gg/RFJXX9XhYe
Actually was a really cool intro, enjoying this video with some bourbon on vacation
@@Taipan303 Thanks and enjoy your time off
bc I LOVE the M200C, I was excited to watch your vid but that intro really pulled me in ! GIMME MOAR PLZ, also thank you for listing the song, you'd be surprised at how many ppl don't
Its nice, but a bit stuttery :) Especially when its uploaded at 60 fps on YT.
The Mirage is deadly in the mountains, but my favorite thing is to hunt Tomcats in open flat terrain with it. It's excellent at notching, and usually bandits come from the same bearing as their AWACS, so you can notch them both at the same time. I literally just wait for them to fly over me, and hit them from below. Works great on Vipers and Hornets too, although they're more difficult to notch. There's nothing finer than wiping out a 3-ship who were up in the contrails, headed supersonic towards their nearest datalink contact. I've never had a Mirage do that to me when I'm in one of those planes, but I can only imagine it's like getting attacked by a Nile crocodile at the water's edge.
You got it. Elusive and has a lot of hustle. It's a fun bird
@@Enigma89 not to mention in a dogfight if you do the merge right you almost always will get the missile off the rail first and if it goes to guns with some altitude you are inside their turn circle all the time keeping them very defensive I've done dogfights in mobettametas dogfight server and against a dude only using the mirage. absolutely saw the dominance in a 1 circle and in general. only thing i could do is su-33 cobra in the fox 2 realm to try and beat his nose position and same in the hornet. he won most the matches but in guns I couldn't get him unless were on the deck and low energy
As a A/G person, I just use the mirage as a quick bomb truck.
The 30mm is great too.
My confession is that I have not used it for a2g but based on your comments and the others I will try it out. Thx for sharing. Please consider subbing if you haven't already! ✌✊🤞
I really want more Redfor aircraft, Soviet, Chinese even Indian. Su-30MKI's for example I think would be an awesome addition, I'm keen for the Mig-23 buy id also really like MiG-25's/31's. Balance it out and also still give a level of asymmetry to the fight.
I agree with you 100%. MP isn't very interesting on some of the MP servers because they try to match the planes up and it deletes the asymmetry of the fights. They need more redfor planes.
I wish there was more early bluefor aircraft. There are enough redfor aircraft to recreate any conflict pre 1980 but a stunning lack of corresponding bluefor aircraft.
@@questofknowledge8788 DCS was never about modeling a certain era, you have this mismatch in the WW2 scenario as well.
@@cyberpunkalphamale No god just no. Not in DCS. It needs to focus more on the Late cold war. There were alot more planes that could be simulated. LAOMAC had the era right. I don't really know what happened with DCS in 2018 till now. But there are a ton of late cold war jets coming. Razbam needs to start on there Mig-23MLA. If ED gets to do the Mig-29 we can have some realistic balanced fights.
@@cyberpunkalphamale If you want to play fake aircraft then play War Thunder or Ace combat. I do hear VTOL VR is pretty fun. DCS started out as a place to collect the most realistic study simulations of combat aircraft ever made. For the most part it has managed to stay true to that. There are places like the F-16 flight model that still need some work, but I would bet good money that ED will get it right some year. Also there are some concessions made to realism, the Groma on the Mig-21, or the TGP on the Cat. But those basically have an asterisk next to them saying for game play purposes only. Fake aircraft would ruin DCS completely. There is no way it could compete against other arcade Sims, and the fan base it's spent over a decade building up would abandon it, myself included.
I find that the 2K has a very satisfying flight model. Something about just feels right. It's great at maneuvering, yet doesn't feel like it's on rails.
Unstable airframe and uses Fly By Wire system which gives the feeling of smoothness
Re: INS Alignment time: If the server allows it you can perform a 90s stored heading alignment. Simply move the INS Mode selector to ALCM, press VAL on the INS panel, and it'll be done in 90s
I’ve been getting into the Mirage recently after starting on the F-15 and Viper, without a lot of multiplayer success.
I’m around the 200 hours logged stage across DCS in general and still feel like a noob because I struggle to find people due to not knowing where to look on the map, not being able to tell where the front line is, which runways are friendly and that sort of thing - the gameplay dynamics are more of a hurdle than controlling the plane or it’s systems, but I’m like you in that I much prefer the ACM, close range manoeuvring fights than the Fox 3 stuff.
The Mirage is either perfect for me in difficulty, management and capability, or I’ve just reached that point in game hours where things click, it’s a dream to fly and I managed to kill another player on my first solo PvP flight, which can’t be said for any of my FC3 planes, and I’m still yet to have what I would call a “good” fulfilling flight in the Viper.
As it happens, I’ve been flying the M2C on BlueFlag 80s - regarding the INS, there is a short version. You input all the info, but then instead of turning the dial to ALN, I think it’s called C-ALN instead, takes probably 2/3 minutes, I didn’t time it, but it’s basically the same as using stored heading in the Viper rather than doing a full alignment, by the time you’ve got everything else ready you’ll be ready to roll.
I arm up first, whilst inputting my knee board data, then whilst I’m refuelling I’ll start the alignment and sort out everything else.
Nice video, fully agree, and subbed 👌🏼👍🏼
Thx for the thoughtful post. I'll look for ya on blueflag.
One thing I Forgot to respond earlier, your general sense of being 'lost' or 'unsure' with the state of the DCS map and where the enemy are and where the frontlines are is super common. One thing I can maybe suggest and it feels really lame to do this but you just gotta do it until you are a regular on a server - look at where people are spawning. The first time I spawn on a new mission/server, I look at where everyone is spawning then look at the map and then you can kind of piece together where action should be happening. It doesn't help that Requesting a Picture from the AWACS annoys everyone on your side. It feels really 'gamey' to look at where people are spawning but everyone is doing it. In an ideal world, there would be a way to represent areas of ownership on a map to better illustrate the scenario set up to players.
@@Enigma89
Thanks for the tip, I’ll be sure to try it out next time I’m online
Interesting take on the mirage, a while ago I used to exclusively play the SU27/MiG29 and it always felt so demoralizing to know that you were always at a disadvantage in terms of systems and weapons and when I bought the F18/F14/F16 it felt really liberating knowing that you were now in an even playing field. However, what you said in the first part of your video resonated with me very well, MP has just turned into a spam fest of Aim120 and AIM54s all over the place and MP, in general, has lost its charm (at least in modern warfare servers). The mirage seems like a very interesting plane but I am afraid that it's just going to feel like a downgraded flanker even if it has its own systems that are in some ways superior to even the viper and the hornet.
I love the Flanker, before I started playing the Mirage, my default choice was the Flanker. The biggest advantage that the Flanker has over the Mirage is the datalink. Now you don't have a datalink in the Mirage but you do have a pretty decent radar, a ridiculous weapon warning system (it warns you about IR missiles too) and you are very nimble + maneuverable. I find the flying part and dodging enemy missiles to be much easier in the Mirage than the Flanker. The way I see it, the hard part is surviving the Fox-3 barrage until you can maneuver into range. With the acceleration of the Mirage, it's maneuverability, jammer and RWR, it is far easier to survive the Fox-3 barrages than the Flanker. So the hard part is much easier with the Mirage. Then once you are within Fox-2 range, the Mirage is going to essentially out maneuver everything in a single turn, so basically, if you get in range chances are is that you are going to win.
That's my take on it so far. The jammer is really interesting on the Mirage, I wanted to talk about it in the video but I do not know all the nuances of it yet so I left it out as I did not want to give incorrect information. Thx for your comment.
My project file got boned so I could not make the last tweaks to this video. Some notes... 02:54 What I mean here is that different planes want to fight in different ways. 05:59 The line on the RWR is the direction the enemy missile is being fired from, this being detected by the MWS. It's very useful information/SA in a fight. 13:13 I want to clarify my comment here. There are some great players that can do BFM in DCS. My statement here is that in comparison to IL-2 where all fighting is BFM, DCS has a lot of players that stick to Fox-3 fighting only. So if you can catch them in a knife fight with the Mirage, you should be able to win out with just your maneuvering. Most of the fighting in growling isn't reliant on BFM and the Mirage excels at it. 13:45 These missiles are being fired too close as indicated by the range indicator (bottom right of HUD), so this is why they are failing to connect.
So the other good thing about the Mirage is it's strong ECM and the all altitude performance of the fighter. It has the fuel to stay low and fast... And it still performs extremely well at high altitudes. The MWR only works as long as you have Magic missiles.
It also is a very effective air to ground platform. Probably one of the better bomb trucks.
While I agree with all your points, going high altitude is a death sentence in this plane as everyone else has fox 3
@@brindevie22 I think the Mirage can be quite fast at high alt so the idea is you can just run away from Fox-3 missiles if you get shot at high up. I have not done extensive testing with it but I know Tempest does try to meme at high alt with it. He has surprised me with his success with it. I prefer flying low though. I tried flying a Mig-29 at like 11km altitude you can catch some people with your speed off guard because you can just dive into people once they have wasted their missiles and be in their face rather quickly. The issue is that on growling there are a ton of people flying so you get 3rd partied often =\
@@brindevie22 oh I wouldn't recommend it against fox-3 capable aircraft. But again it depends on the situation. You should always read the situation.
Thank you for vid enigma.
I am exactly the same. After dominating the canyons with the su27, I’ve really enjoyed terrorising those same su27 pilots with the mirage. Silky smooth. It’s funny cos no one expects a mirage in their face and I actually love its guns too. The only downside is the fox 1 losing track of targets at times.
I’m sometimes tempted to just run 4*magic, for the knife fight in a phone booth feel. You?
It is something I am considering but it is nice to shoot a fox 1 to get people to turn away
I've done the 4x Magic load and it's fun in a suped-up F-5 kind of way. But the Super 530 is still a really good missile if you treat it as a short-range weapon. Very often when I'm in the Mirage, I'm hooking Hornets and Vipers from below. There is almost nothing on this Earth more inevitable than a low-to-high 530 kill from 4nm. It's fast, very maneuverable, and against the empty blue sky never loses track or eats countermeasures. If I'm carrying Magics only, a couple flares and a quick 9X completely turn the tables on me. I find both missiles equally valuable.
That said, one time there was an error in an 80s server's mission, where Tomcats were allowed AIM-54s but Mirages were heaters only. The Tomcats were harvesting all the poor Sparrow-armed Hornets. I took the Mirage, notched a Tomcat all the way to the merge, had a ~90 second dogfight, and got him with guns. Turns out he was with TAW and flew in SATAL. One of my proudest kills ever.
Absolutely. Well done man. I like the 530s but they are kind of short range too. I’d so love the mirage to have a real long range missile. Give us the Mica!
@@Owen-fn8ff Oh man. The Mirage with Micas would be nuts. Most people don't realize it because we fly it low, but the Mirage will fly circles around the Eagle and Viper at 50,000ft. It has serious maneuverability, doesn't bleed it's energy, and can stay at mach 2+ for half an hour. It's impossible to get hit by a 120 unless you get stupid close. But the 530 is so hopeless that you still can't hit the Amraamers without getting stupid close. With a Mica where you could shoot and then to avoid their missile, you could operate like a MiG-31 on the server. I have a video on my channel from Tacview of a flight where I shot down the enemy's AWACS, had the whole enemy team try to intercept me, and I just drove away.
When losing a radar lock you quickly switch into the boresight, vertical or horizontal mode mode and try to reaquire the target. It happens to Enigma in this video at 8:24 (ruclips.net/video/pnf46pPWMFE/видео.html starting at 8:20) but he quickly reacquires the target and the 530 still hits. I guess keeping the lock and being able to quickly reacquire it, is the reason why you should keep the locked target in the cricle as it's recommended in the manual.
As JETZcorp said, you can treat the 530 as a deadly short range fire-and-forget missile.
This was cool. I've heard in forums and other videos that the Mirage module is also just packed with stuff to do, more so than most others.
you also shot your Magic in to the sun. made it real easy to spoof :)
I love the baguette :) It was the plane that really got me in to DCS. the campaign from Baltic Dragon really walks you through the systems of the M2k.
Its wonderful, and Raz has cleaned it up a lot. its about to get better too with the assistance of France's ADA :)
Thx for making that note.
What campaign? The one that comes with the Mirage?
@@ryans.6889 I have heard that one of the campaigns the mirage comes with is structured to teach you the systems as you go through it.
@@ryans.6889 Indeed
Right now it's my favorite plane to fly. I even advise this as the first plane to buy from DCS. I have F-16, F-18, FC3, Ka-50 among others, but the Mirage 2000C is where I have the most fun.
Good to see the mirage get some love. I fly it all the time and many people misunderstand its capabilities. Probably because of the grim reapers review"they miss represented ita capabilities due to it being an uncommon design".its incredibly deadly in the right hands.
Granted i usually fly at 30k feet. At mach.9-1.3
I used to get dunked on from above by space launched SPAMRAAMs. Now I will also be dunked on from below by the Death Dorito 😂
Join us in the canyons!
The S530 is an amazing missile: Be sure to use the flood mode if you have interrupted lock and re aquire. If you get within 10 nmi, the 530 will hit the enemy so fast they almost certainly cannot evade. Also, using airbrakes and delta drag, you can force overshoots like nobody's business. Get good at nose control in low energy states, and magic them when they separate. The Mirage's only other weakness is energy recovery is low and sustained turn fights down low with hornets or Tomcats (flap guys) are death. Finish your fights before the merge, or in one turn and you'll rarely be better served in a DCS module. Watch corner speed and if you get in a valley fight that you aren't winning, the Mirage, esp. clean, is faster than anything except a viggen on the deck with a small head start. It also has a good IR signature when you chop throttle and pull with flares: Only missile to fear is the Amraam and aim9x from rear aspect. I love the mirage... and I feel a good mirage pilot is the best skilled DCS aviator of the 4th gen planes. It doesn't have crutches like datalinks or IRST. It's ground strikes are a few mk 82s or old fashioned gun kills. (30mm HE can kill anything short of an MBT). Mirage was my second module after hornet. While I main the F16 for multirole and style... if I had a -5 and a multi role kit for a Mirage, I'd be back in it and not look back. The Hornet lacks the feeling of speed and power. The 16 is close, but its maneuverability is just a tad less than the M2000. The Mirage does what you ask it to do: even when it probably would be wiser not.to ask such things. I've done gun runs in a Mirage at negligently unsafe angles that a 16 or hornet would pancake trying. The Mirage's one weakness if it has one is that IRL.its Belouga cluster bombs are anti-everything. In DCS, like all non 99 series clusters they almost never work at all. Not Razbam's fault either. Low diameter rockets in DCS also rarely work as advertized, either, leaving the mirage's a2g as pitiful when compared to JDAM and multi rack F18/16s. Hopefully Razbam or ED will address those issues.
Thx for sharing that.
Ive had success laser bombing with the mirage actually. Its a plane I quite love, need to try another few flights in it.
I absolutely LOVE the Mirage 2000C! I didn't realise it was on your server...REFOR by any chance? I can't really fly on your server because I can't spot aircraft until they're behind me shooting me down and there's only so many times you can restart your jet before you reexamine your life :D
I enjoy the Mirage, my only grief is the changes every few months that makes all my mappings useless. She's a sweet fighter. The side panels are really hard for me to read in the Oculus right now....need to upgrade!
I wish they gave more of a heads up before you installed the patch that your mappings would be deleted. Takes sooooooooooo long to remap stuff.
The Mirage 2000-5 had been dominating the skies in the Aegean and elsewhere for 2 decades now. Its Radar, Mica IR and EM Missiles, its ECM and maneuverability make it the deadliest aircraft around. It was funny to see the Lockheed guys trying to mute everyone talking about the Dash-5....
I would kill for a -5 in DCS, it would be the best thing ever
Your game is lagging badly
It would be great to have a Mirage 2000-5 in DCS.
SAME!
Or at least the 2000D for A2G. But the -5 would be a game changer for DCS modern fights.
My biggest problem with the mirage is only two fox 1's, really makes it limited in how many engagements you can do, which sucks cause its engine is so fuel efficient, I always have above half fuel after I get 1 or 2 kills with 530, then its just magics. If you get spotted early magic can't get the heat off your back and you are forced to struggle into the merge, which isn't always possible. So a Mirage 2000-5 would be the best thing. Makes me wonder what the problem was with the M2K designers, it had plenty of spots for bombs so why not modify it to fit 2 more fox 1 on the underbelly.
Its delirious fun - I fly mine as a politically incorrect Mirage 2000CZ in old South African Air Force colours from my youth and childhood.
Thanks for the vid, gonna get the Mirage now, as it is on sale. It surely looks refreshing to play, I mostly fly the F/A-18C and F-16C, so pretty much SPAMRAAM trucks.
Edit: M2C got a big update last week, what are your thoughts on this? Are there substantial changes for A2A combat?
I am still figuring out what they changed. I know they changed a lot to a2g. I didn't notice any changes to a2a so far but i did have to remap the a2a modes. I haven't seen anyone complaining about it so i think it's okay. Once I had it mapped and I flew, i did not notice anything funky and chuck did not make any changes to his guide.
The Jf-17 also has a missile warning system, although its series of optical sensors so unfortunately it will alert no matter who the launch is aimed at, although you do get an indicator on the SA page.
This is a cool video, and I totally understand your disinterest in BVR combat.. I like this take on the M2000. I told myself I would never buy a razbam plane again after the Harrier but this looks fun.. I could get into this lol
I kinda mentioned it in the video but I will go into it a bit more. I am not one of these people that will buy every module on release date. I still don't have the hind because of how weary I am. Only buying things that are basically done. If every module maker released things as complete as Deka with the JF-17, then I would have more trust but I don't. Heatblur and Deka are the only two makers where I will buy things on release date. The Mirage is fun because it feels like you are flying a modern day Mig-21 so instead of being a straight up meme on growling, you have enough modern systems to not feel like you are flying totally blind.
Nice intro dude. Good video, I need to learn how to fly the Baguette
Thx, went for that car commercial vibe for the start :D
Mirage is my favourite fox1 platfrom, its fast, its radar is reliable and the S530D is just deadly. and man your BFM skill is amazing!
BTW you can choose to do a fast INS allignment which takes only approximately 3 min.
I also love the helmet radar visor, super helpful to maintain visual contact on target while cranking during a head on.
Thx for noting!
Great video! you dont use IFF interrogate to identify? I just did my first multiplayer and could not get by without interrogating IFF. Really helpful. It would tell you A for ally on the HUD or just a long dash underneath the target square for enemy.
I use IFF most of the time. Some of these kills that happened I already knew they were bad but yes I would advocate to iff. :)
Love the Mirage, truly wish we could get an upgrade module to a 2000-5 with AMRAAM compatibility. Or even better, upgrade module to a 2000-5 with the MICA-EMs.
My favourite one is the Mirage IIIC in bare metal finish but sadly wise DCS lacks a lot of great Cold War Fighter Jets like F-4,F-100,F-104,F-105 just to name a couple ones and not even a Vietnam Map damn it...
The Mirage f1 is coming very soon. I am working on a PVP dynamic campaign multiplayer server. Feel free to subscribe, we hope to make news on it in 4-5 weeks. SOme info is getting teased out on the discord (link in description) occasionally. Thx for making a comment
Almost nobody flies this on MP.. I'm glad to see there's somebody else out there who likes it.
Mirage gang rise up ✊✊I bet you a ton of people would fly if it had fox 3.
@@Enigma89 Yeah you're 100% right
AMRAAMS are easy to beat. Especially if you have to find your opponent. MP, if you start at 30k co-altitude, 60nm part, facing each other.. its not Dogfighting. Thats Cheesedick AirQuake.
Every F14 pilot i know.. "im a pilot" cold launching half a dozen phoenix at 50nm, at opponents spawned in your radar envelope, ejecting and starting over.
Late to the party but yes. War is not symmetrical and the simulations we play to simulate them shouldn't be either.
Those 30k feet players are the reason i’m sticking with PVE servers like 4Ya… i have no clue about any callouts either and bogey dope confused the fuck out of me, so many numbers lmao
but i thought of getting the M2000 at sale and thanks to you, i will, alongside with syria probably
That's why I like the hornet, it also has really modern systems and weapons for locking targets down low, plus it has great instantaneous turn rate. And obviously it offers a lot of variety as a multirole navy aircraft.
2:28 if anyone ever sees this, you make a good point here but its not about the aircraft. Its about how you use it. Personally i love a2g with the viper and going for the e-3. Or trying a2g munitions on helis. Its about the pilot, not the aircraft. Good night.
Mirage is a blast. Also it's still getting a lot of love. Next OB update PCA logic is getting updated, new weapons, new A/G radar mode. The A/A radar is also being currently updated thanks to the AdA helping out and a newer french dev who seems obsessed with making it the most 1:1 airframe he can within reason.
I am so excited for it. I hope the -5 gets made one day! It would really shake up the scene if this thing did get Fox-3s. Thx for watching and welcome to the channel, please consider subscribing if you like the other videos.
@@Enigma89 The MICA IR would be like an ET but much faster and more agile. Like an Aim9X you can fire at 10 nmi and expect a hit.
It's crazy how fast it flys
I considered the mirage, but it just seems like a downgraded su 27. Ended up going for the viggen instead, it offered something i did not already have.
I have the viggen. I think it's the best module that I cant get into. Like its quirky and cool but I just couldn't get into it. I wish I did though cause I love anti-ship stuff.
@@Enigma89 Being swedish might have helped a bit :)
@@antongrahn1499 Det är bra!
I kill Su 27s pretty easily with the M2000. Only the J11 really is a major threat redforce wise.
Thinking this will be my modern module, I already have the F-5 for Cold War, so I don't have a need for the MiG-21 (as much as I'd like it)
The flight physic of that module are wrong. Acceleration is too high and air maneuvering are unrealistic
Noice. might try this one during this new free program
Perfect timing right?! I have a few friends who were on the fence about DCS so curious to see what will happen of this program.
13:15 ish, man i completly agree with that, dogfighting is the most fun aspect of dcs, more people should dogfight man fox 3's are boring
The balls on this man to fly a mirage 2000c into a lobby of f16s and f18s this mans insane mirage only has fox 1s and fox 2s meaning you cant notch or bank an enemy shot without ur missile going heywire
M2000 is the sexies looking 4th gen fighter imo
As someone who just doesn't enjoy BVR and Fox 3 fights I guess I gotta look into the Mirage
i mean nowdays its more realistic to bvr than dogfight
Oh yeah, for some reason, still haven't been able to fire a missile........ and all the tutorials are all outdated...
M2k is the first full fidelity module i bought in DCS, and I never regret of it
It's no doubt a great aircraft. I don't like shooting twice and having to RTB
As french, I love to fly the Mirage. Incredible plane even if, like you say, we are more into the "fox3 era",right now. But maybe we will get a -5 version (actually it's done for the Armée de l'air, so maybe one day) that will put an end to the bad side of the 2000c (no fox 3 and only 4 missiles).
But like you say, having to fight for a kill is really what's make dcs fun.
I hope you are right with us getting the -5. Thanks for watching.
News just in: The French know how to make an agile fighter with a smart radar. ;)
A great module and fun to fly. Not a fan of the built in tutorials which need updating.
The Mig-29A is going to be a really good match up for this. I Love the M2000.
I wonder how the Mig-29A radar is going to be. The Mirage has a pretty decent sized cone and you can get a pretty decent picture with the b-scope view. The Mig-29, based on my experience on FC3, feels like you are looking through a pretty narrow area with how the visuals appear in BVR mode. So it may get tricky to fly with limited visibility and low fuel (!)
@@Enigma89 My understanding is that is kinda how it was. The West had batter avionics throughout the cold war. The M2000C was a proper 4th gen. Really the Mig-29 is like a 3rd++. It has a HUD, and a decent radar, but it's not on par with the Western tech. Plus the 29 wasn't fly by wire.
He is pretty much playing Mario Kart, no thank you.
Also, use the backup gunsight under the hud. its radar gunsight is hard to use. the backup helps a lot.
Thx!
@@Enigma89 Glad to see the Mirage getting some love. What's hard to capture about this plane is that... in spite of all the plane's technical shortcomings compared to this or that... what it can do, it does exceptionally well. And the mentality you have to have to fly it is such a knife's edge balance between absolute predatory focus and sheer joy. Unlike the F5 or Mig 21, the Mirage can -consistently- deliver. And seriously, don't underestimate the 530 as a short range missile. Its lethal up close: Pull a little extra lead (dump speed) and let one go. Folks run 4x magic and I don't get it. My hit rate with 530Ds in parameters is over 85%. French range cues on the HUD -mean- what they say, unlike Russian and US ones. I get plenty of 530 kills under 3 nmi. Save the magics for last resort.
If the M2000C had 4 S530, I'd expect 3.5 kills a sortie. Its an absolutely lethal missile, so long as the pilot doesn't try to treat it like an R27 or Sparrow or even Amraam.
"Mirage is My Favorite DCS Multiplayer Module"
Mirages and hornets are a thing of beauty
8 minute INS alignment. But I use that time to setup my mission.
And get off the Growling Sidewinder air quack servers.
I mean I like that GS exists even though I don't love playing it. Do I play on there a lot? Yes but I feel like I have to because some of the other servers just don't have the pop that makes me sad. DCS Multiplayer community needs a big shake up and a new server to really house 24/7 pop alongside GS.
@@Enigma89 does DCS have anything the equivalent of Finnish on IL2? Or is that even possible in DCS?
@@videogaminbiker889 It is somewhat possible in DCS. There are a few servers that do it but they haven't seem to strike the right balance to get enough people in there constantly.
There is DDCS which is the old school dynamic campaign server which was popular and then the community imploded. I heard that the owner is a jerk so a ton of people left. I do not have first hand experience but this is what I have heard from a ton of people.
BlueFlag is a popular server series but not popular enough to hold enough population to be played on everyday. My biggest issue with this server is that they have limited lives and require cold starts + fueling of your planes at the beginning which seems rather pointless to me for a PVP server.
There is also RSR which I think tried to really tackle the dynamic campaign angle similar to blueflag but with a more casual approach. They have a small but super dedicated population. The thing with that server though is that it allows for the creation of ground units so a few dedicated people can turn every city into Hanoi and it's an insane SAMs nest. I think RSR is interesting but it has a huge emphasis on ground forces. *Disclaimer, I am technically on the RSR staff according to Discord but I have not actively participated in that server since November 2020.
I have heard many whispers of a new server coming but nothing confirmed yet.
@@Enigma89 I pretty much have up on the PVP side of DCS because all it is is Fox-3 quake pilots. Flying whatever the meta broken unfinished module that ED has released.
The few PVP servers that have a good balance to them are not flown often by most pilots because it requires them to understand how to properly start their aircraft.
@@louhodo5761 I agree with you. It seems like the community wants to play the newest module regardless if its a buggy POS or not. Then also want to fly Hornets armed to the teeth with FOX-3s. It's not interesting or fun. There is not enough asymmetry to make the fights interesting.
I am hearing some real whispers about a new server that may shake up the scene but nothing that can be made public yet. If anything were to come, I will announce it here.
Great video man. Love fighting in the mirage. Love the cockpit layout and look as well.
Outstanding maneuverability.
Again, nicely done doc on the DCS Mirage.
Hey man, thanks a lot i appreciate it. I mostly focus on il-2l but will try to sprinkle in DCS videos when i can. Please consider subscribing if you like the channel
If only they let you carry 4x530‘s 😩
I'll buy this just to have a wingman lol
I think they've ruined it with the last updates
Just like you, I absolutely love the mirage, my only gripe with it is the gun sight, I can't consistently hit anything with it.
It's awful and the limited ammo makes it doubly hard
@@Enigma89 actually I find the trick is treat it like IL-2 and use the fixed crosshair on the hud for it. Don't follow the tape, and just use the circle secondary your accuracy will greatly improve.
You have just convinced me to try out the Mirage. I have it like a few years now, but never really flown it that much. After researching how much updates the Mirage got, I am really thinking of trying it out. Right now i went from Helos to the Harrier, which i love to fly since A2G is my cup of coffe, but i think it needs a bit of more updates and fixes. All in all, I prefer aircraft that provide hands on flying experience, and make you feel that you are actually flying. Hard to explain, but i will put it this way: I have tried to like the Hornet, carrier ops, its system managment and BVR capability. But frankly speaking, i found it boring. Now things like helicopters, AV-8B, and i think also the Mirage will give me what I like most. Also in my opinion, i think the Mirage has more than enough A2G capability. As a delta wing, it will also provide invaluable experience once the Eurofighter comes.
Anyway, you sir have earned a sub, great video! Thanks
Nice the perfect comment ! Thx for sharing.
@@Enigma89 You are welcome! Fly safe! :)
Well done, the tribute to one of the best fighters in the world. I wish the C version would be finally upgraded! For example with a faster turbine, canards, and a rotating guns-turret under the nose for 20mm bullets.
thank you
Its not that you will be facing "dcs" players, is that you are facing GS server players, most of them are fairly new to the game, and all they know to do is that arcade setup of GS server, almost a war thunder face to face combat
So 90% of them have no idea what a m2000 is, like that poor f16 lol
Even with all its deficiencies, unreliable missiles and low number of them, the m2000c its just beautiful and amazing, when you dont need to align the INS xD
I want to play this on the 80s Blueflag server but god damn the INS alignment :(
You mentioned staying low to avoid awacs. I though awacs could see low flying aircraft whereas ground fixed radar couldn't. I'm probably wrong 🤔
In this mission there are very few or no ground radars in the mountains.
Sort of lost my love for DCS once I started playing in VR - optimization just isn't there yet unlike in IL-2 - hopefully they can sort it sometime in the future cause like you said the Mirage is a great module.
I pretty much only play DCS when I am too tired to play IL-2. I find it really hard to play DCS non-stop because of the lack of polish of the game. With that said, it is a fun game when you play it occasionally. What VR set are you using?
@@Enigma89 You mean you don't enjoy playing Wags' Loading Screen Simulator? I'm using the Rift S, got it at a good price and it works great. I know there's a lot of complaining about spotting in VR in IL2 and to an extent it's true - sometimes you can't really know if someone's a friend or foe until you're in a bad spot - but I think the positional awareness it gives you makes up for that disadvantage, losing someone in a tight furball isn't nearly as easy as it is with trackIR. Downside is it's hard to go back to CLoD or something with headtracking afterwards lmao
I went to unhealthy lengths to get DCS working well in VR... but it is possible lol
The rule for not paying for a module until it is 100% done is such a good one. Speaking as someone who got burned by the fucking T.1 Hawk (and a few others) lol
It will be a hard rule to follow when the mig-23 is released. I will try to stay strong.
Bro this exactly how I used to fly the mirage against F-15s. I'd love to fly some mirage sorties with you if you want a wingman.
I fly with people on discord on occasion but because my schedule is very hectic it is always very impromptu when i hop on.
Take that thing on the dogfight server
Very interesting video! How about the fuel management? To you dump all your bags once in the mountains or you can keep say just the central one and stay quick enough?
I dump them when they are empty. If I run into someone before them, they generally just rip off when you pull hard.
If you looking for WVR engagements in PvP you cant go wrong with Alpenwolf's Cold War 1947-1991 server. Main heros are F5Es and MiG21s, and mostly rear aspect IR missiles only. Great fun and great dog fights
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M2k got slew magic seeker to radar lock option. Combined with excellent Magic agility it can make for poor man's off-boresight capability ^^
I actually really like that Cold War server. I played on it for nearly 4 hours yesterday with some people and putting together a video. It's a great breath of fresh air to play on there and have been playing it more regularly in the last month. The quality of players on there seems to be just better overall, my guess is because the super focused plane sets allows for everyone to get really comfortable in the F-5 or Mig-21.
I heard about that new magic seeker to radar lock option but haven't dove into that quite yet. But I am sure that will be sweet once I figure that out. I Just got a new throttle so I am spending a lot of time remapping everything.
and then he made a banger cold war server
And now the Mirage is even better!
“The only server that has population 24/7”. My brother in christ you own the most popular server
This video was made before we made our server. So back then GS was the only option at any given time in the day
Probably you already know but...there is a fast alignment possible now :)
Yes thank you. I have not been in a mirage in a while but itching to get back into it soon, may try the fast alignment on blue flag.
"Late to the boat'...haven't heard that one before. I think you mean "missed the boat' or 'late to the party'...😁😉
woops!
Wheneverbi trybto play mp in this game yhere is nobody online to play with. Pve doesnt do it for me i need players to kill.
You are probably playing in stable and not open beta.
The Mirage is fun. Any idea why the smoke doesn't work since the latest update?
No idea. I really only fly pvp and never use smoke sorry
Recently bought the mirage. Can’t get the guns to fire…yet but it flies and accelerates beautifully.
There is a separate safety for the gun on the bottom left IIRC
wow your videos have come along way. now you have your own server that is rocking. do you ever fly this bad boy any more?
I do, I did some videos a month or two ago on it. I do enjoy the Mirage, it's just the era is in is not my favourite so i don't play it everyday
i finally bought mirage 2000.... u got any guides on the mirage?
ruclips.net/video/QWHdiewetEc/видео.html
Mirage is also my favourite in DCS
It will be interesting to see how they make it better, i think it can only get better from here.
Instead of doing that lengthy INS alignment just set it to ACLN, set your other switch to STS, then hit the glowing Val button next to the multi segment display. Then it will count down from 100 to 0 set it to nav, and set the other nob back to N. It isn't realistic I don't think, and is a setting that can be turned off, but most servers leave it on for convenience sake. There isn't even any inputting of the coordinate like the original alignment requires.
Now 530D has been reworked and is pretty bad at low speed, but sneaking in the mountains is still pretty fun with magics and cannons, and having a 30+ nautical miles' 530D at high speed / high altitude is not a bad deal.
You actually got me hooked on the Mirage, I trialed it and bought it last week. It's really fun and I can't say the lack of fox3s is holding me back much.
If you would allow this bird on your server that would be great 👍🏻😬, if the 530s are considered too modern for the server you could omit them from the load out , you could allocate only so many Mirages per map too .
the stutter 😭😭😭
the mirage2000c old but still efective fighter-bomber in the french air force(armee d' aire).
I love this plane but I fucking hate 530d.. It's just so weak or should I even say useless.. And u always have to be faced to the target after launch it so the missile wouldn't stop trackin the target. But more likely ur dead in this case or ur missile won't hit the target if u decide to evade hostile's missile unfaced it. Btw if u got hit ur missile stops track the target aswell.. So fucking disgusting..
What mode are you using to track. Its generally considered one of the best fox 1 missiles in the game
@@Enigma89 both. Pic/pid no difference for the guidness. Once u stop facing hostile after the launch, 530d just ignores the hostile and fly by its own
Well reasoned and illustrated. Much more interesting to watch than the BVR duels.
I would get the mirage rn if I could afford it, definitely the next module I’ll be picking up! I also love going low in the mountains and engaging those dirty redfor players, but I fly the f18. Sparrows are really good for close range so I’m typically calling fox-1 regardless of what kind of terrain I fly, even if it’s Persian gulf or Caucasus.
Great video! Just got my mirage hope to see more of it on your channel!
Nice man. I will do another mirage video at some point. Been playing it still just trying to figure out what sort of video I will do with it. I am doing a cold war server breakdown soon. Thx for watching
@@Enigma89 awesome! You fly it amazing and it’s one of the best most recent videos I’ve seen of the mirage, awesome! I’ll definitely watch it, I already did your DCS content is great (watching the SU27 vid)
@@nachopc6437 Thanks. There is a lot of DCS content out there so hard to make something new and exciting but I will try to see when I find an interesting theme come up in videos and will make it.
Meanwhile in f14 startup on carrier waiting 9 minutes for ins alignment and praying that it doesn’t have an error and force you to restart...
I wish hot starts were more welcomed in the community for this reason. Its crushing to do the whole start up and realize your trackir had to be restarted 😬
@@Enigma89 you can restart trackir without leaving aircraft. Alt+Tab, restart it, then go back to dcs and open adjust controls and hit the button that says rescan input devices. Or something to this effect. I do it automatically now so it is kinda hard to remember the exact steps.
I got my first (and only) 4 player kill in a single sortie against 4 mirages, on the GS server. They all popped up between mountains about 20 miles from their home base, and I don't know if any of them ever knew what was going on, but the lack of a data link in modern DCS is a huge drawback, and in any teamgames, massive respect if you can make the m2000 work for you. I'm my book, it's a 1on1 guns only dogfighter, or multirole Vs AI.
Not having data link does really suck but being able to just whip it around in the Mirage makes it really neat so you just need to survive and get within arms reach (missile range) and you should be okay. It's not easy but I personally find it more fun and enjoyable to fight with the Mirage than just slinging out Fox-3 missiles. I do end up flying the SU-27 a lot because of data link. I will be releasing another flanker video highlighting some thoughts and a breakdown of a sortie soon, so be on the lookout.
@@Enigma89 the spamram tactic, I dunno mixed thoughts. It a bit lame going after 1 guy by repeatedly launching them out, he's defending so much and has no clue how many were fired, let alone how many are still hot... That being said, if someone is gonna waste 6-10 missiles on a single enemy aircraft, they better hope nobody else is around. Some of the easiest PvP kills are going after that guy, the one who's got your team mate boresighted, and giving chase with repeated fox3's. It's a bit like an unplanned tag/bag. The kinda thing I did when I first flew with F15 years ago. It's a lesson some quickly learn, and most for whatever reason don't. I always found it strange 90% of the kills on public servers with say 50 players on, come from 10% of the players. I'm wish I knew why, it would make it better for everyone, obviously skill levels will vary, but most people log off without a single kill.
What I love about the data link and the f18 it's ability to practice what the su27/mig29 does so well, ie hiding in the weeds, radar off, popping up just high enough to grab the occasional data link refresh, or RWR, and then hunting someone down using eyeballs (it's easier to see aircraft in VR at the 5-15nm range, since about DCS2.7 almost on par with flatscreen). The data link/eyeball/RWR usage nose cold, is obviously critical, and the fox2’s.. I like the 9x's for obvious reasons.
@@Enigma89 and I'll keep a look out for that video, I think what DCS/RUclips community is missing, is the more complete player v player AA tutorials/guides.
There's too much emphasis on "press this then this then hold this, press that" and this is confusing how to fire a missile, not play PvP. There's a lot on pure 1v1 dogfights which is great for those situations, but that's very rare in public, you might get a 1v1 for 60sec if you're lucky, but a third party is gonna wrap that up.
The other end you have clips showing the cockpit where someone has a blast on a server, but it teaches beginners almost nothing, because there's no feel for the battlespace, especially when clips are cut up. Yes the boring bits, but those bits are critical to show the timings, the thought processes, radar contacts, those little blips that could be etc. It's not a critic of anyone, someone new to DCS and you've figured out how to takeoff and turn radar on and fire the missile, there's something missing for most getting them to that first kill., Dunno if you agree, I suspect this is why most people pad out the numbers on multiplayer servers and log off after being shot down 2-3* without getting a kill.
this video sold me on the mirage 2000c
Great! It's a fun bird and just got a mega patch recently
I wish there were a datalink on the mirage. One disadvantage of the mirage is that it lacks a datalink.
Omg ... Nice video but the shuttering effect (either from 25 to 30 prescale or just pure low FPS from game) in it is hurting my eyes so badly aghhh!
Do you mean in your game or in the video?
@@Enigma89 I do not know from where it came from. Shutters are clearly visible at the beginning of the video. It can be that you PC is producing those in the game. It can be that you capture SW adds those. It can be that you are capturing at 25 fps while the game has non 25 multiple fps like 20 (in this case some frames in final video will be duplicated). Finally it can be from video processing SW like adobe of you captured at 25 but want to export to youtube in 30fps. From the video I see it seems it is a combination of several of those as the effect os so much visible. You are loosing several frames pes each second.
@@radoslawbiernacki I haven't noticed in my most recent videos so it may have just been a mistake on my end in this video but thanks for flagging. I will keep an eye out. I try to make sure everything is 2k and 60fps.
Oh man, coming from IL2 scene, not been playing tho for years because of biased planes. I have been having Mig-21 and F-14 for a loong time, never had time to really start flying them. Now I have been practicing couple of days in DCS now in F-14, yesterday first time on dogfight server, I like it a lot because of no fly by wire in it, but this video really inspired me to get Mirage. Liked and subscribed! S! and see you in the air!
Glad you found it interesting and inspiring enough to get the mirage, it's a very fun plane - enjoy it! Thx for subbing also :)