I noticed there were really only raw gameplay videos on the Mirage or guides on how to use the guns but not something that married between the two which explained how to actually use your guns in a multiplayer setting. I hope those that are new to the Mirage are inspired by this to get in close and use your guns and not to be totally reliant on your missiles. If you found this video helpful, please consider subscribing and liking the video as it helps tremendously helpful for a small channel like mine. Thanks.
The radar gun-sight is eh because it gives aim for a fictive, currently fired stream of shells. It gives information on where the shells would be had they been fired x amount of time ago. The variable "x" being how long it would have taken the shells to travel from the gun to the target. Per Chuck's guide: "Since the tracer line and aiming circle are relative to the already fired fictive stream of shells, the guns firing needs to be done one time of flight before the aiming circle is over the target, the time of flight being the time the shells need to reach the target. This means that if the target is sliding along the tracer line, firing when the aiming circle is over the target is too late." In other words, the gun-sight doesn't act like a normal gun-sight. I've missed every shot I've taken trying to aim with the radar, but I can hit targets quite consistently by ignoring it.
I'm in no way disputing what you say, but knowing the distance via radar and the current ballistic firing solution (and estimated pilot reaction time), shouldn't it be able to take that into consideration so when the pipper is over the target, that is when you fire? Isn't that how other radar gun sights work? E.g. F/A-18.
I also really dislike the M2000C's radar gun sight, but I actually really like radar gun sights in general. So even from that camps perspective, it's not great for the Mirage lol.
The Mirage does have a predictive gunsight mode that I almost never see people using. It still requires some degree of eyeballing, but it'll give you an indication on the HUD when the guns are in the right position for a hit. Personally I find it helpful to "confirm" manual aim, without having to wait for the snake + aiming circle to catch up.
This is my favorite module (only one I have) and this is a great video to wake up to. I have been doing active research on this active topic these past few days, so this upload is a godsend. Any recommendations on any other servers to focus in for the M2000C? I've do Conquest a fair amount but I've heard good things about Blue Flag. Please keep it up Enigma, think you're my favorite youtube channel for dcs/il2.
Blueflag is not really my cup of tea. With that said, my tastes are not necessarily your tastes so you may like it. I encourage everyone to be curious and to check out the entire server browser to see what you like. I am sure the Blueflag team put a lot of work in their servers so they at least deserve a chance. For me, Conquest is pretty much the only place where I go to scratch my Mirage itch.
The two Jabbers videos that I referenced are here: Notching: ruclips.net/video/b-i4eZWD-Nw/видео.html F-Pole: ruclips.net/video/c-Lx4SFMWdU/видео.html I don't stream but if you like Twitch and want to see a very good Mirage pilot play that gives commentary as he plays check out www.twitch.tv/tempest7mr
9:35 It's a pretty good example of how the gun sight works. You shoot in front of the target and watch the shells hit the target just the moment the piper overlap the target. There are 2 cases: - tracking shot: you can maintain the piper on target = the target will be hit by the full burst. - snap shot: you have to lead your shot in front of the target and account for bullet flight time. What I do is put the piper in front of the target, shoot and release the stick, so the target flies into my burst.
Tbh I think a lot of people panic and make mistakes when facing the m2k in a dogfight ... While actually, if the opponent flies smart to avoid the one circle hell, he's almost guaranteed to win, or at least not get killed. The mirage gets outrated by every 4th gen fighters, with some even beating it in nose autority (Hornet, Flanker ... ). Sure it's also the easiest aircraft to create an overshoot situation, but with enough anticipation, the adversary can simply go vertical to neutralize the reversal attempt ... Assuming both pilots have equal skill level, I think the Mirage probably loses the gunfight against most of its 4th counterparts (except the JF-17) ... ... which makes it all the more rewarding when you get the kill !
The beginning part of the solid tracer line is quite helpful for aiming, Especially when you need a snap shot at close range. Much batter than the RDR gun sight or the fixed crosshair.🤣
Please consider putting this Allied plane back in the Enigma Server line up...The F-5 is not enough fire power against the Russian planes and Hind helicopter! Tone it down if you have to...
The F-5 actually has a better K/D ratio on the server than the Mig-21. The P5 missile on that thing is no joke. We are planning on having the Mirage F1 on red in Syria and blue on Caucuses. We will see how it goes and then evaluate from there. We feel the M2K is too strong for our own server but if you would like to fly it, I would recommend flying on the Conquest server to get your M2K itch.
Hello Enigma, I have been playing around on your cold war server and I have to say it is really good stuff. Thank you and team for the excellent work. I read on your documentation that you plan to have an early, mid and late era cold war mission respectively. One question, once you have the late era fleshed out with F-4, Mig-23 and restricted F-14, MiG-29 spawns will you then perhaps consider bringing the M-2000C into the late cold war setting? Perhaps if even restricted, as the M-2000C surely isn't more potent than e.g. a MiG-29 and also from the same historical time-frame? Or hard "no" at this point? Cheers
I know the M2000 has its fans, but to me it just seems like a worse flanker. 4 missiles, no datalink, very limited mixed loadout options. Better in a dogfight i guess? Does not seem worth it to me. Of course, there is value in flying something that is challenging and fun.
There's a lot more to DCS modules than raw capability. To a lot of people, myself included, the datalink / fox-3 spamming aircraft are complete snoozefests.
Every plane has their charm. The charm of the M2K is trying to get into people's face and then winning there. The Flanker has it's charm too but this plane hits a bit different. I like both very much
Also consider that the M2000 in DCS is older than the SU-27, a fairer comparison would be the M2000-5, the 2000-5 has data link, can carry 8 missiles etc. It just unfortunately isn't the model we get in DCS we get a older mid 1980 version. It's a shame we don't get later variant mirages because it would be on par with the F-15, F-18, F-16, SU-27, MiG-29 in capability, including helmet mounted display and weapon loadouts. Still would be limited in air to ground since there was two specific two seater variants of the Mirage used for ground attack the D and N models. The single seater is a chasseur, pure fighter, with some limited ground attack.
I noticed there were really only raw gameplay videos on the Mirage or guides on how to use the guns but not something that married between the two which explained how to actually use your guns in a multiplayer setting. I hope those that are new to the Mirage are inspired by this to get in close and use your guns and not to be totally reliant on your missiles. If you found this video helpful, please consider subscribing and liking the video as it helps tremendously helpful for a small channel like mine. Thanks.
The radar gun-sight is eh because it gives aim for a fictive, currently fired stream of shells. It gives information on where the shells would be had they been fired x amount of time ago. The variable "x" being how long it would have taken the shells to travel from the gun to the target. Per Chuck's guide:
"Since the tracer line and aiming circle are relative to the already fired fictive stream of shells, the guns firing needs to be done one time of flight before the aiming circle is over the target, the time of flight being the time the shells need to reach the target. This means that if the target is sliding along the tracer line, firing when the aiming circle is over the target is too late."
In other words, the gun-sight doesn't act like a normal gun-sight. I've missed every shot I've taken trying to aim with the radar, but I can hit targets quite consistently by ignoring it.
Yeah it just is way too distracting for me, I think its partly because I mostly fly WWII planes. I don't even like using the WWII Gyros.
I'm in no way disputing what you say, but knowing the distance via radar and the current ballistic firing solution (and estimated pilot reaction time), shouldn't it be able to take that into consideration so when the pipper is over the target, that is when you fire? Isn't that how other radar gun sights work? E.g. F/A-18.
@@anthonymoloney3671 It should, but it doesn't, because dassault... And they kept that on the rafale...
I also really dislike the M2000C's radar gun sight, but I actually really like radar gun sights in general. So even from that camps perspective, it's not great for the Mirage lol.
The Mirage does have a predictive gunsight mode that I almost never see people using. It still requires some degree of eyeballing, but it'll give you an indication on the HUD when the guns are in the right position for a hit. Personally I find it helpful to "confirm" manual aim, without having to wait for the snake + aiming circle to catch up.
I think it may just be me coming mostly from a WWII background but I do not like any assisted gun sights.
This is my favorite module (only one I have) and this is a great video to wake up to. I have been doing active research on this active topic these past few days, so this upload is a godsend. Any recommendations on any other servers to focus in for the M2000C? I've do Conquest a fair amount but I've heard good things about Blue Flag. Please keep it up Enigma, think you're my favorite youtube channel for dcs/il2.
Blueflag is not really my cup of tea. With that said, my tastes are not necessarily your tastes so you may like it. I encourage everyone to be curious and to check out the entire server browser to see what you like. I am sure the Blueflag team put a lot of work in their servers so they at least deserve a chance. For me, Conquest is pretty much the only place where I go to scratch my Mirage itch.
The two Jabbers videos that I referenced are here:
Notching: ruclips.net/video/b-i4eZWD-Nw/видео.html
F-Pole: ruclips.net/video/c-Lx4SFMWdU/видео.html
I don't stream but if you like Twitch and want to see a very good Mirage pilot play that gives commentary as he plays check out www.twitch.tv/tempest7mr
Instant Action's "Guns Guns Guns" mission is good for some initial guns-only practice against AI.
Thx for sharing.
Only had the Mirage a few hours but already getting frustrated with the gun sight. How do I turn on tracers? thanks.
In ground crew you change your ammo when you rearm.
9:35 It's a pretty good example of how the gun sight works.
You shoot in front of the target and watch the shells hit the target just the moment the piper overlap the target.
There are 2 cases:
- tracking shot: you can maintain the piper on target = the target will be hit by the full burst.
- snap shot: you have to lead your shot in front of the target and account for bullet flight time.
What I do is put the piper in front of the target, shoot and release the stick, so the target flies into my burst.
love this guide got my hands on M2000 two days ago and i am thankfull for such a good tutorial
Glad it helped!
Tbh I think a lot of people panic and make mistakes when facing the m2k in a dogfight ... While actually, if the opponent flies smart to avoid the one circle hell, he's almost guaranteed to win, or at least not get killed.
The mirage gets outrated by every 4th gen fighters, with some even beating it in nose autority (Hornet, Flanker ... ). Sure it's also the easiest aircraft to create an overshoot situation, but with enough anticipation, the adversary can simply go vertical to neutralize the reversal attempt ... Assuming both pilots have equal skill level, I think the Mirage probably loses the gunfight against most of its 4th counterparts (except the JF-17) ...
... which makes it all the more rewarding when you get the kill !
The beginning part of the solid tracer line is quite helpful for aiming, Especially when you need a snap shot at close range.
Much batter than the RDR gun sight or the fixed crosshair.🤣
How do u get the comments ?
I mean that the plane is telling u stuff, mine is quiet as …
I've loved that plane ever since Iron Eagle
Can the hind carry troops on your server?
Great vid Enigma! I can't find the link to Jabbers vids however.
Notching: ruclips.net/video/b-i4eZWD-Nw/видео.html
F-Pole: ruclips.net/video/c-Lx4SFMWdU/видео.html
I dont use the radar sight either. Manual aiming will always be king.
Mk.1 Eyes don't lie
god job my friend
Please consider putting this Allied plane back in the Enigma Server line up...The F-5 is not enough fire power against the Russian planes and Hind helicopter! Tone it down if you have to...
The F-5 actually has a better K/D ratio on the server than the Mig-21. The P5 missile on that thing is no joke. We are planning on having the Mirage F1 on red in Syria and blue on Caucuses. We will see how it goes and then evaluate from there. We feel the M2K is too strong for our own server but if you would like to fly it, I would recommend flying on the Conquest server to get your M2K itch.
@@Enigma89 Thank you
Mirage has a backup gunsigt that helps a lotm
It's a fixed gun sight?
Hello Enigma, I have been playing around on your cold war server and I have to say it is really good stuff. Thank you and team for the excellent work. I read on your documentation that you plan to have an early, mid and late era cold war mission respectively. One question, once you have the late era fleshed out with F-4, Mig-23 and restricted F-14, MiG-29 spawns will you then perhaps consider bringing the M-2000C into the late cold war setting? Perhaps if even restricted, as the M-2000C surely isn't more potent than e.g. a MiG-29 and also from the same historical time-frame? Or hard "no" at this point? Cheers
I should imagine the mirage f1 that is coming would be a better fit, unrestricted that is.
It will be easier to answer that question when the Mig-23 and F-4 are in.
@@Enigma89 Thank you.
I know the M2000 has its fans, but to me it just seems like a worse flanker. 4 missiles, no datalink, very limited mixed loadout options. Better in a dogfight i guess? Does not seem worth it to me. Of course, there is value in flying something that is challenging and fun.
There's a lot more to DCS modules than raw capability. To a lot of people, myself included, the datalink / fox-3 spamming aircraft are complete snoozefests.
Every plane has their charm. The charm of the M2K is trying to get into people's face and then winning there. The Flanker has it's charm too but this plane hits a bit different. I like both very much
Also consider that the M2000 in DCS is older than the SU-27, a fairer comparison would be the M2000-5, the 2000-5 has data link, can carry 8 missiles etc. It just unfortunately isn't the model we get in DCS we get a older mid 1980 version. It's a shame we don't get later variant mirages because it would be on par with the F-15, F-18, F-16, SU-27, MiG-29 in capability, including helmet mounted display and weapon loadouts. Still would be limited in air to ground since there was two specific two seater variants of the Mirage used for ground attack the D and N models. The single seater is a chasseur, pure fighter, with some limited ground attack.
Is the mirage on the Cold War server?
Not the Mirage 2000
7:09 flares against guns :kekw:
lol