Protection Paladin - Basic introduction
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Made a video on the basics on Protection Paladins, including things such as managing mana, gear options, working around the lack of taunt and various other things that was on my mind.
Nothing super complicated, but I hope you guys find it useful.
Let me know if there's any topic in particular you want me to cover.
This video took my tanking to another level, saved me tons of gold on drinks and made me wayyyyy more efficient as a tank. Thank you so much!
Please do one for low level paladin gearing and tanking! Keep it up!
As a brand new paladin this was very helpful thank you very much
Excellent work. Could to see a pallytank who realizes we are a caster not a physical. It's all about the mana management.
Blessing of salvation dude
i just started a prot pally. and only knew and searched the AOE farming build/gear. But the actual tanking a dungeon strat i didnt know. thanks for the video!
Missing your content man
Really enjoyed this video. Lots to think about.
Hi,nice content,should I wait for the video with tanking RAID bosses?Thank you.
Some day perhaps hehe
@@Avoidling Thank you, I will wait. ;)
Good job on the video! Hard to find any videos like this for us pala tank addicts ^
There is a list on the wowhead classic guide of prot pala that shows which bosses can be off tanked (a bit rare for prot pala to main tank in vanilla).
A video that shows any type of tanking in a raid would be very interesting!
I run hand of the edward odd just because of instant holy wrath and instant holy light threat.
Same, it’s a better weapon.
I know this is an old video but hope you still check comments... when you say 30-40 defense, does that include the 10 def from talents and 20-30 from gear. Or 30-40 from gear plus the 10 from talents?
Whenever I try using seal of wisdom I really struggle with keeping threat. I'm lv46 atm and I feel like around uldaman is when I started noticing dps really pulling threat from me. Before that I felt like superman.
Protection Paladins have a backwards taunt. It’s Blessing of Protection.
it is not actually. Warrior and druid taunts sets your threat the same as top threat holder at the moment when you use it. BoP only hides threat of the player you apply it to. So if that player with BoP continues to make threat - it will get aggro right after BoP ends. Only upside is that BoP can't be resisted.
BoP is also less able to be spammed. 3mins is a long cd
Amazing video! It made me decide on a prot paladin as my first alt!
But do you have a list of addons you use? And especially the 5secondrule thing on your mana bar?
@holyfrog love your content, man! Been a warrior tank in vanilla and a druid on pservers, thought I'd complete the trifecta.
Quick question: are there any particular weapons you recommend in place of the Flurry Axe? It's frightfully expensive for my casual ass, with the price set to increase more and more as the server matures. Also, it being lv. 35 makes me a bit afraid to commit so much gold on the purchase. What about a spellpower weapon or Axe of Rin'ji?
There's not a lot of good spellpower weapons at this stage of the game to really make it worth it. I really do recommend fast weapons though. See if you can pick up a Hanzo Sword for cheap as those are 1.5 speed as well, although it dont have the additional attack proc of Flurry. However it is a sword, so if you play Human it allows you to take advantage of your weapon skill racial for a little extra hit chance.
Other noteworthy options would be Fist of the Damned from Sunken Temple and Wraith Scythe from BRD as those both scale with Spellpower on their proc if you happen to have Spellpower on other piece of gear. Mirah's Song is also a pretty decent option with it's well rounded stats and 40 DPS.
and even on that boss fight the dps failed, you always let tank build aggro before you open dps where it paladin or warrior tank.
Nah, nobody is pulling aggro from warrior who rage pots
@@rudy1999 "nobody"
Nice advice, but you forgot to turn mobs away from the damage
Ironfoe would be the best weapon of choice for threat right? Or would flurry axe still be better?
Great video. Once of the best pally tanks I met in a pug also used dynamite... hope you do a video on raid bosses! The same pally told me though, he opens with a judgement of righteousness for more initial threat? What's your thoughts on that? I have also thought that one could mark a certain target with a lesser-used marker, like the purple one, to mean "kill this last" - that way you can autoattack purple and get a lot of mana rolling for the large duration of the fight.
that's I do, except in scholo/ strat where I can use exorcism most of the time
Do a guide about spelladin. Really curious about that spec!
what profession are you using as a prot pally in Classic wow? and are you do plan on keeping them in TBC or changing them come TBC?
Hey. I was enchanting and engineering for classic. Engineering is kinda Mandatory for Prot in PvE since we're constantly at a disadvantage and need to push the limit of what we can do. Sappers/Dynamites offers burst threat, Engineering Shield is fantastic as well as other benefits.
For TBC Im not sure. Looks like I'll be playing Ret right now but for Prot the spellpower enchant on rings is really good, and engineering is still quite beneficial with super sappers etc. But it's not as much of a must have profession as in Classic so if you play more casuall you can pretty much do any profession you like and still do well.
What is your spec? Can you link it or show it in a video?
What about talents for dungeons and off tanking in raids?
Excellent info! Thanks!
Great, please keep it up!!
I know I'm a bit late to the party, but I've heard greater blessings cause massive threat about 1k threat per person and you bless 5 at a time. Should be impossible to rip aggro if you spam 1-2 of those on top of everything else. Currently only lvl 43 havent tested it out yet but a few have said this
Yes, this is what makes Paladins viable raid tanks in Classic. Greater Kings cause 114 threat per player buffed with Improved Righteous Fury active.
can you tell me what addon you're using that has the mobs nametag turns green when you have agro, and yellow when you're losing it?
The AddOn you are thinking of is called ThreatPlates
What talents do you use?
Nice video. I really like the part about gear recommendations. And yes, I fully agree too much Defense can be an issue. What I noticed that you're always fully prot specced. How much room is there to get away with less points in prot? While I managed to do a Scholo without any pts in prot it was far from a smooth run. I'm mostly interested in a 20/31/0 or a 21/21/9 specc. The biggest issue will of course be the need for consecration and improved righteous fury.
I am actually making a video on builds right now. I will briefly talk about the 20/31 build in this video as thats the build I am currently running.
Ok thats a surprise to me, I was pretty sure that you had the remaining points after consecration in ret. for additional mitigation or faster judgements. While missing Divine Favour hurts it still allows you to heal reliably in current content. After the first few pug runs throuh MC and Ony I'm fairly happy to see that Holy Shock still is a utter waste in all but high mobility encounters/PvP and Holy Power, while nice is not strictly required to function.
U can go 31/20/0 with defense gear, like full deathbone set. Holy shock Df is really nice for snap threat. Thats what i do
TBH defense gear is still the best, you only need to make sure that its not to big and mobs have atleast 1% chance to crit you. This way you would be able to manipulate crit procs with /sit/stand. While being really hard to kill when you need it. This way you also would get alot of free threat with Sanctuary blessing even without redoubt.
Sit stand is not really viable in dungeons. Too unreliable to pull off when tanking lots of mobs, so you end up just getting crit without getting Redoubt.
@@Avoidling depends on your skill at it. In my experience its even easier with many mobs. First of all you basically aiming to /sit and strafe with your curent target because you have swing timer for it. Secondary if there are alot of them you can just randomly and quickly /sit strafe at any moment and you would get proc 90% of the time. ANd if you have alot of defense - you almost never get critted without sitting.
instance mobs crit 5%, bosses 8%. 4% is bad vs boss.
What is your build spec
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JoW also procs from spell hits so weapons like hammer of the northern wind work just as fine as flurry axe does.
I wouldnt say just as fine, because Northern Wind like your example is much slower (2.1 speed) and the procrate is also really quite bad on it.
@@Avoidling northern wind has better proc% than flurry axe
but it's true that faster is better as a general rule.
not to meantion not going sword/mace is a fools arrand bc of the mastery racial.
hi where did you download pally power?
github.com/coryo/PallyPower
@@Avoidling big thumbs up subscribed to your channel
Do you think a Prot Pala can off-tank all raid content all the way up to Naxx?
Without going into too much detail, yes I think so. People have done this already on Private servers so I dont see why it should not be doable in Classic either. My goal is certainly to try.
@@Avoidling I hope you will document your journey :)!
@@Avoidling please make a guide for each raid if possible. I want to prove that paladin prot isn't a meme.
Guys as a 60 prot paladin i fucking regret not going warrior, prot is basically okay for dungeons and bad for raids where as warrior is a beast in dungeons and a beast in raids, we play to progress right ? Paladins peak at lvl 30 and slowely degrade until raiding so its really depressing to see your self become less and less effective, and if u say u dont want to raid then why are u getting gear from dungeons ? to what end ? so i strongly advise to not make the same mistake as me, Good news is if ur already 60 u can just leave that character until they release TBC which they become monsters in.
Killerduki did it back in vanilla wow
Продолжай, интересно. Спасибо.
Prot palies dont need taunt, they dont lose aggro:)
Are you Swedish?
how do you deal with bosses that drop threat e.g omokk, wyrmthalak
nvm wrote this before watching whole vid
do you use max rank holy shield when 'keeping it up'? I noticed the block effect doesn't change with ranks
@@dreamismelul If I have a solid thread lead already I just use Rank 1 Holy Shield for the block chance alone. Rank 2 and Rank 2 only provide you with additional threat.
Enjoyed :)
-caspus
are you Borat from Kazakstan's brother?
You do have a taunt its called 'Hand of Reckoning' it even deals a little damage to a target that is not attacking you. Its also the longest range spell the pally has.
Hand of Reckoning is the TBC spell. My videos are for World of Warcraft Classic although I appreciate the feedback
Bare in mind this is WP and EP dungeons, they are much more easy for a pally to tank i guess..and even here you loose threat with only normal dpsers. I would not go with a pally tank..sorry :(
Then (depending on the pala tank) you'd be missing out. I'm currently running BRD and LBRS and mobs stick to me like glue. Most times the guy in the video loses aggro he's either 1. Not judging righteousness (which I would always lead with) 2. Having a concecration up. (Not critisising, Im sure he has his reasons).
I'd argue that Prot Paladins are THE BEST dungeon tanks, especially when paired with mages. Protpallies unlike warriors and druids, can kite tank and when you get the hang of it you can basically do spellcleave runs that include clearing all bosses. It's insane really.
@@danielhaden6674 I will never go with a pallatank again, they are byond bad. I was a warriortank back in the days up to Naxx and know all about tanking in classic. Druids are the best dungeontanks by far and close behind is warriors. In raids warriortanks are the only way to go if you are a winner. Pallys heal and buff and they are good at that.
But i am more competitive and want strong focused play when im online.
@@MrWallinor I'm not talking raids here, obviously Paladins are the worst option there. But in dungeons when you combine prot paladins with aoe slow mages there's no discussion, THEY ARE THE BEST DUNGEON TANKS! By far.
I've gone through pulls of 15+ mobs where after the fight the healer still has half his mana.
Who needs damage mitigation when you're not taking much damage to begin with. If you're all about being "competitive" then you should be all about dungeon prot pallies, simple as that.
@@danielhaden6674 They are crap, simple as that. You heal and you buff as pally and thats it. You go druid in dungeons and warrior in raids. Everyone knows this.. Why pick something that is way worse?? Everybody needs to hold back to not overaggro..meaning slow speed and healer leaving before you even pull next grp.
Whatever floats you boat haha
@@MrWallinor Jesus dude... okay I'll give you a statement: "The goal of minmaxing a dungeon is to clear it as fast as possible, with as little deaths as possible (preferably none)"
Do you agree?
Okay then. Tell me one other tank class that can pull and kite 15+ mobs while leaving the healer with 50% mana left after pull. None, the answer is NONE.
Prot pala is the only class that can reliably kite tank (without tons of potions, oils and other gamey shit).
If you don't believe me, come Gehennas and I'll personally show you.