I have AMD build same problem with the Asus Tuf X670E motherboard first dual (kingstom ram 2×16) channel works on 6000mhz. But if use 4 dual channel it not boot up to windows. Strange things is you can see and hear fans spinning plus all ram have rbg light up but black screen. So issue is not the ram stick but need a firmware update ???
I built a 12900KS with the ProArt Z690 and 128GB of DDR5. As you highlighted in this video, I had continuous issues trying to get the sticks to operate at anything above base clock. The system would refuse to POST and usually required me to remove the other two sticks of RAM before it would even boot again. Every time a new BIOS version was released for that board. I immediately installed it, hoping it would correct the issues, but it never did, to include the very latest version with 13th Gen support. I dropped everything on eBay and built a Threadripper PRO 5975WX with 256GB of ECC DDR4. It will be years before I even attempt to mess with DDR5 again. Not impressed.
Good decision. Especially with the ECC rams. You will have an amazingly stable workstation. The only thing I don’t like about Threadripper builds is the lack of nice mainboards. I found most of them not really looking good.
same with amd ... got 7900x and 16x4 ddr5 6000mhz ram sticks .... only able to run ram @3600 mhz with timings 40 40 76 properly ... 3600+ and pc starts crashing and boot slow downs takes upto 70+ seconds sometimes to boot to windows !! what a waste of money
@@moriyokiri3229 I saw Corsair made 48GB memory modules available recently, not sure if they're compatible with AM5 now but they enable 96GB or 192GB memory total, maybe something to look into!
XMP my Z790 AORA Master motherboard won't boot with 128G (4x32) G.Skill 6000 MHz and XMP enabled. I want to try 5200 with "manual xmp"... But yeah.. Will changing timings manually help? I assume making the timings 'worse' even a small bit may improve compatability?
Hello. I have the same problem as you but on an Asus HERO Z690. After seeing a video of the ASUS ProArt Z790 where they put 4 sticks of RAM at 6000MT/s running without any problem, I have considered the option of buying that motherboard. However, seeing that you're having problems with a Z790, I'm not sure I do anymore. The video in question is titled "128GB DDR5-6000 Kingston FURY BEAST Intel XMP Certified"
Wow, at least those of us who tried without knowing all the problems have the consolation of not being alone. Thank you. I tried everything to stabilize Windows 11 running 128GB without XMP on a z790 board. Ok for a few hours, then freeze, freeze, freeze at stock speeds. Latest BIOS. Wasn't a problem with CPU or paste or cooling, just this issue you were talking about four months ago! Cheers!
Your conclusion is on point. You want to build your PC then use it. Not tune the parts because of glitches from the manufacturer's end. GREAT POINT. This philosophy should be applied to CPUs and GPUs as well unless you're an enthusiast.
Thanks for answering why there's no 4 sticks available for DDR5 ram. Creators are going to drag their feet even more in adopting next gen with such a problematic hardware bottleneck.
Yeah DDR5 is still bleeding edge, it's part of the reason why I got a DDR4 board for my build, it's much easier to get high capacity of RAM. I don't think DDR5 will really be worth adopting for about another year.
This finally answers the questions concerning "Plug and Play," which has often been called "Plug and Pray." I've been building PCs since the late 1980s; remember MS-DOS and early individual memory chips? None of this is new to me. Problems like this are just a part of building a PC. Sometimes you must learn to live with it or go crazy. Don't worry; just let someone else figure it all out. Hot running DRAM? You can purchase small fan DRAM coolers to solve that.
To be fair, on Intel Ark product specification: i9-12900K : Up to DDR5 4800 MT/s i9-13900K : Up to DDR5 5600 MT/s Which leads me to believe that if you have a 13th gen, you can could run 5200 MT/s or even 5600 MT/s. Chip is out thursday officially. On vas bien voir!
Don't forget to read all the specs. 'Up to' 5600 mt/s on 13th gen. That's with 1 dimm per channel. I can't seem to find the damn chart unfortunately, however speeds decrease with increased ram. As in more sticks. Then you have the stress of single vs dual rank ram, dual rank puts more stress on the memory controller. Having all 4 dimms populated 2dpc, also adds more stress. And if you're talking ddr5, then a typical 32gb of ram in 2x16gb is just fine. It's 1dpc and single rank, there are no dual rank ddr5 at 16gb per stick. 32gb sticks and up are dual rank. Tech Notice here is using 4 sticks, 128gb so 32gb per stick. Worst case scenario, dual rank and 2dpc. The most stress on the memory controller. And of course intel's official speeds drop the more stress you add to the system. Hence the 'up to'. Then there's also the consideration that intel's officially supported speeds don't mean people 'can't' run faster ram, just that it's not guaranteed to run. You run a ddr5 1dpc setup of 2x16gb on 13th gen and you get ddr5 6000 it'll probably work. But if it doesn't, if for some strange reason someone got a low end lottery cpu and it will only function at 5600 mt/s, well that's all intel said it would run. They never promised more. There's no rma for that. I imagine if the chip was severely hosed and could only run 5200 mt/s within intel's specs, the cpu could likely be seen as 'faulty' and rma'd. Intel's already been confirming 13th gen working with ddr5 over 7000 mt/s so maybe they'll update their specs? But then they'd have to guarantee all 13th gen will handle it and that might be another story.
@@Mehecanogeesir Intel official specs aren't the 'max', just the confirmed spec. Many people enable xmp and get well over the 'max' on the intel specs but it's not guaranteed. Xmp is never guaranteed. The ram company can promise you 'ddr5 6400'. The motherboard can promise you 'max memory speeds of 7200+!'. But neither gets to dictate what you get. They can only speak for their component. That stick of ram 'can' run that fast, that motherboard 'can' run ram that fast. Ultimately it's up to the integrated memory controller in the cpu. In this case, intel. Some people could run ddr4 4000, others ddr4 3600. Some people put ddr4 3600 in their system and no boot with xmp enabled. It didn't like it. They had to drop to ddr4 3200 which was still technically more than intel promised for ddr4. But it wasn't what they were hoping for and what they were hoping for was a roll of the dice. Silicon lottery, like a good overclocker vs a poor one. The cpu's are all within manufacturing tolerance, a range of performance. Which is why you could have one cpu with a 'max' top end of 3.9ghz at 1.26v running 4.6 or 4.7ghz oc'd. And another with the same model cpu couldn't get 4.4ghz stable even pushing 1.3v core voltage. They had to settle for 4.2 or 4.3ghz. The reference to 'golden' chips meaning those in the same product line that were just the best tolerances and like a lucky lotto winner got a better version of the same thing out of the box.
I chatted with Asus tech support and the rep said they are working on a BIOS update to address the XMP issue. I asked if I purchase 128 GB of RAM (x4 32GBs) from the QVL that a BIOS update (to come) would resolve the issue and he said it is in the works. He recommended 5600 or 5800 speeds.
I watched all your videos on DDR5 issues as I came across an issue on my own system. I am running an Asus z690e wifi + I9 12900k + 4 sticks of 16GB T-force ram rated for 6400Mhz. I originally built my PC with 32GB but then amazon had a sale on the same ram, so I added another 2 sticks to make it 64gb all together. Upon adding the 2 new sticks, BSOD started happening. What worked for me was bumping up the voltage from 1.35 to 1.37 and changing ram power deliver system from " synced all 4 " to "per dimm" and reducing my clock speeds from 6400 to 6200 . So far I was able to get stable sessions from my pc and I hope it stays this way ....
This guy was really helpful for building a new pc, I had my Asus rog mobo, Corsair DDR5 ram (6000mhz) x 4 stick and intel i9 13900k, 13 gen, turn on XMP, and voila no boot. I even update the mobo BIOS and driver on Windows 11 with no luck. I haven’t tried to take out 2 rams yet, but I am pretty sure this will solve my issue. So anyone who wants to buy 4 sticks, do some research first since overclocking is still not stable with gen 12/13th mobo, unless you are confident with changing Voltages for CPU or memory. Good job mate.
I would love to see you give this a second try with a 13900k instead of the 12900ks (keep the same MB). It would tell us if the problem is in the chipset or the CPU. I think people invested in Z690 will not want to buy a Z790 so you would be answering if a new CPU could allow faster RAM speeds.
I'm running a 13900k and a ROG Maximus z690 Formula. I tried running two kits of CORSAIR Vengeance 64GB (2 x 32GB) @ 5200. I can enable XMP but the system was entirely unstable with BSOD after 15-30 minutes of running, as well as the system taking minutes to POST occasionally. I haven't tried manually setting the profile to try and get both kits running together. I can't be bothered putting in that much effort for it. Just gonna hope some people smarter than me resolve it in an easy manner.
So many people reported this type of issue on AM5 and 12/13th gen intel. I plan on buying 2x32GB kit for my next build with Zen 5 or 14th gen intel for now until the situation improves with both ram channels populated. Also if you're a scientist, engineer, or creator you really just need rock-solid stability. Even as an enthusiast I am leaning toward running my next rig at stock settings because AMD is pushing their chips to the limit out of the box. Less than 5% of performance uplift on them isn't worth the instability. With Intel, at least for now you still get gains overclocking but at the cost of a ton of power and cooling increases.
not using 4 sticks but when using 2 sticks of kingston Fury 5600, the XMP did go into windows, done benchmarks right, only once a while crash in MSFS, and don't pass FFT512+ prime 95 over 2 hours at XMP, perfectly fine with 4800MT, ended up the solution, was disabling the dynamic memory boost, now rock solid in prime 95 with XMP
Hey! so ive got a 12900k, 64GB DDR5 6400Mhz, Z690 Aorus Master MB, 3080 ti aorus master and this crashes on their own xmp profile i cant even boot and i get a memory code on the motherboard all my games stutter when im streaming in 1080p and playing in 4k max on apex and this is kind of ridiculous because i bought almost the best everything and nothing is working right in either windows 10 or 11
Isit a 4 sticks kit? I am running two kits of 2x48 kits because corsair dominator doesn't come with 196 gb of ram and when I XMP I have to keep the voltage at 1.41 and can't go beyond 4800 MT/S. any solutions?
Your videos have been very helpful and informative! Yes, G. Skill DDR 5 5600 kept getting BSODs (I thought a DIMM slot was bad) running on ProArt Z690 Creator Wifi mobo with i9-12900K, new build Bios 2004 & GeForce RTX 3090..however, runs great on 2 sticks at 5600. I don't want to have to continually do tweaks to run 4 sticks. Thank you for your update!
Hey i just installeed 32 more gb ram into my rig with 4 sticks instead of 2 Had no issue with xmp on 32 gb but after getting new ram my pc restart alot. What Can i do?
Yeah, this explains a lot. I've got 4 sticks of 16GB 6400 MHz Kingston Fury w/ intel 13900k, can't run XMP at all, even at the slowest 4800 MHz profile. Blue screens everywhere. Forced to run stock @4000 MHz. Sucks from a consumers perspective that these chips are advertised at the higher speeds when they're unable to run at that frequency.
Still can’t do it with an MSI Z790-P and 14700K. I’m gonna prolly return the 2x16 sticks I got cuz I couldn’t get all 4 to run at CL 40 6000MT/s. 4000MT/s was the only stable speed.
I got 4*16 DDR5 6000MT CL40...with XMP the PC boot but lots of errors in MEMTEST...I lowered the MT to 5200 and CL to 28-34-34-68 1.350v...and works like a charm no errors 😁
You might need to look at the memory support of your board. 4x16GB might be 1R, (heard it could sometimes be 2R which further lowers the potential clock speeds you can reach) and 2DPC 1R could be rated to well under 6000MHz. The board I got for the 2 sticks of 32GB I got is rated for "1DPC 2R Up to 6000+ MHz" so my 5600MHZ should have a high chance of just working fine. If I got another pair It most likely wont run above 4800 as it's only rated for "2DPC 2R Up to 4800+ MHz" which is what 4x32GB sticks function as.
@@JoshM7 2 STICKS of ram can run @6400MT on my board ...But now after the latest BIOS , I can run 4 sticks @5600MT and 28-30-30-60 1.350V without any errors in memtest
This was surprisingly entertaining to watch someone perform the little tedious details to make a machine function properly. Which is something I do often. Good information. Thank you.
its still early adopter of ddr5, but the headaches and the pricing is why i went ddr4. i belive mr tech notice also mentioned for creation amount is greater than speed. i might be wrong.
Thanks; just updated my 2x32GB Kingston Fury Beast RGB DDR5-5200 with an extra set on Asus Z690-Plus with i9-12900KF CPU; did not work with the advertised 5200 Mhz. Troubleshooting and found your channel. Already running latest and greatest BIOS. Will keep an eye out here - thank you for the detailed video.
I have T-Force Delta RGB DDR5 Ram 32GB Kit 6000MHz whenever I Enable XMP it always take take 2 minutes to boot up always not first time yellow LED light in motherboard as well please help
I agree keeping the BIOS up to date is important. It can sometimes have a bad effect if a system is already stable but on new/cutting edge tech it often solves more issues than it causes. As a tip: I found a need on my ASUS boards to also do a clear CMOS and reset to default settings before reconfiguring all the settings again as this had a material impact on performance and stability. Reloading saved profiles or not loading back to defaults would sometimes see strange behaviour.
When you update the bios tbe saved profiles are removed and a cmos is done automatically for you. I learned the hard way and lost all my configs / oc undervolt but figured it back out 😂 and took screenshots of my uief settings
Agree, it wipes the saved profiles when doing an update. I loaded my saved profile from a USB drive I had exported it to assuming it would be fine and found it wasn’t 100%. Reconfiguring the exact same settings after a Clear CMOS manually resulted in a much better stability and slightly more performance.
Ditto. I hope we can get that tested when the 13th gen and Z790 come out next week. Anyone know if there's been any announcements for release dates for 64GB DDR5 sticks?
My system won't boot with 64GB or 128GB of G.Skill TridentZ rams in XMP I or XMP II with the ASUS z590-e either, it's just a black screen...any ideas or suggestions?
I got a 7800X3D. I went with 4 sticks of T-Create 6000MTs CL30. I get weekly blue screens. Surprisingly stable since it's only weekly. I can work hardcore creator workloads for entire days straight with no issues, but once a week I'll be randomly hit by a blue screen. I've ruled out every other possible cause, and none of the RAM sticks are bad. This is my first time going with 4 sticks and now I wish I went with 2 lol, but I am experimenting now with trying to get it fully stable since it's been surprisingly stable otherwise. I've rolled by speeds to 5600MTs to keep the timings, since AMD seems to respond better to low timings; as opposed to higher speeds. If that doesn't work I'll try 5200MTs at CL30. If that doesn't work maybe I'll try CL34; basically copying the 2x32 spec from teamgroup. If that doesn't work I'll try 5600MT at CL40, or take half the sticks out and call it another learning mistake in PC building lol...like when I built my first & only dual-GPU PC in 2012.
Aesthetics are important to me next to performance. Obviously performance first. That being said I wish Corsair would continue making the fake dimms for DDR5 with all its RGB kits. Vengeance and Doms. A mobo with 2 slots being used out of 4 just doesn’t look good when using RGB ram.
People spend too much time obsessing over the innards of their pc when concerning "keeping up with the Joneses". I remember a time when people just played games without caring so much about what brands were under the hood.
Ive got b660m pro rs 12400f with 2 sticks RAM corsair vengeance rs 3200gb 8x2, i'm about to upgrade 2 more sticks and also can i turn xmp with 4 sticks?
13:32 It would have booted anyway. I'm not sure if you tried because of editing and not live, but I just put 6000 in my 12700K rig, and it did that same thing down to the letter. But when it said it was reset and you pulled that channel of RAM, I did not. Instead, I went into BIOS and turned on XMP (6000), rebooted like normal, and it worked like a charm. Has been running solid ever since. Not sure what that corruption message was, but all it did was reset the BIOS back to the factory, and then I just turned on XMP, and that was it.
@theTechNotice The HP omen 45 does not boot or goes in bios when testing this. I have kingston 2x 64 ddr5 6000mhz running at 4400. would it be better put an extra 64 ram in?
I have the same specs as you have, the exact same Kingston Ram, even the same GPU. I only have a different CPU, an AMD Ryzen 9, 7900x cpu running on an ASUS Prime B650-Plus. According to specs this board also supports that ram, according to the QVL. I have not been messing in the bios at first. Tried 64GB, ran perfectly fine at 4,800Mt/s. Then added the other two dimms for the total of 128GB, but my pc wouldn't boot. I tried turning on Memory Training, but I simply could not get into the bios. Only when removing two dimms it worked again. For me it's not even needed 4 dimms running at 4,800Mt/s. If all of them ran at 3,600Mt/s it would be fine as well, but also this combination is not working. And, I did upgraded the bios a few days ago. It could probably be the motherboard, which is not the most expensive board, but one could assume if the specs say, it can handle 128GB, it should be able to handle 128GB. So currently I have 2 (expensive) Kingston dimms lying here collecting dust. Any suggestion how I get 4 of them working? 128GB on 3,600Mt/s is faster than 64GB on 4,800Mt/s. It did work for a while, but I noticed after the bios update (when all settings are reset, and of course the 4 dimms were set back to auto, the pc refused to boot again), that after removing the 2 extra sticks my video editor is working a lot slower. I do a lot of video effects, encoding on 4K video material. Any suggestions on how to get this working?
i got a question, if i got 2x16 sticks of corsair vengeance ddr5 5600mhz cl36 and another 2 same but 32x2, can i use 4 of them together? or in order to the pc dual chanel to work properly it has also to have same capacity ? and if can i use them together, can i use xmp for 4 of them together?
I actually bought 4 sticks of that exact Kingston Fury DDR5 RAM up to 128 GB but haven’t built it into a system yet. Are you saying that without XMP (at base speed) it will be stable but it just can’t be overclocked? If so, that’s not the biggest deal for me since my workflow just requires the capacity to hold lots of music samples. I wasn’t planning to overclock. Are the sticks stable without XMP?
You’re not doing the correct settings in the BIOS. After you set the XMP profile the next step is to go down to DRAM VDD Voltage and set it the voltage to 1.3. Then change DRAM VDDQ Voltage to 1.3. THE FINAL STEP!!! Go to “AI Tweaker Advance Memory Voltages and go down to PMIC Voltages and change it to “By Per PMIC” save and exit. Restart, it may take some time, and then it will work.
Nope mine would not write correctly with nearly 4000 errors with 4 sticks in system. Wish I would have know this before buying 4 sticks of DDR5 memory. Memory test sent: sent RRWWGET but read RRWWDET errors out the ying yang. 2 sticks of 7200 runs the memory test great, no issues.
Hello. Do you think the DDR5 would make a big difference in comparison with DDR4 using i7 13th g. and Z790 motherboard for music and video production? Worth it?
Advertised speeds are for the memory it doesn't guarantee that the mem mb and proc combo can reach that speed. Hint: look at the intel specs for its processor mem speed.
On my AMD 7950 running 4 sticks of ram at 5600 MT/S my system bullet stable at this specs but with 4 stick of ram 64 GB total 6000 Mhz NOT STABLE the system boots up but not stable tested with Memtes 86+ , AIDA 64 Stability test , OCCT Test Not stable I tried every method not stable at all none of them worked for 4 sticks of ram ! However for 2 sticks of ram I can go 6200 MT/S stable with all tests but for 6400 Mhz system fails immediately to initialize boot up sequence ! Rams kit Kingston Fury Renegade 6000 MT/S with 3 XMP profile to set, 4800, 5600, 6000
Hi there, In an nzxt z790 n7 I couldn't get 4x16 gskill dimms working at 6000 Mhz (what is her top speedvalue), I could only make the system boot by putting them in xmp at 5600 Mhz and nothing else, any suggestions?
I was looking for 4 x 16GB or 4 x 32GB kits and there's literally nothing. That the motherboards are advertised as 128GB capable with RAM kits on QVL is hugely misleading if not downright false advertising. How does one get 128GB @ 6,000mhz DDR5 today? You can't. Interesting video!!
@@theTechNotice I have a set of 2x16 GB 5200mhz and 2x16 4800 MHz (ddr5) on a MSI pro z690-a and a i5 12600k, it runs on 4800 just fine, I'm considering about to change my 4800 set to a 2x32gb 5200mhz set, but will I obtain any benefit to the larger amount of ram in davinci resolve studio? I film in 4K...
Thanks for the in-depth video. I got a Ryzen 7590x setup myself with 2 sets of 2x32GB kits. Even at the stock bios speeds it was very unstable, and I ended up returning my first motherboard because of it. Having the same issue on the next board, I ended up having to de-clock and up the voltage on the RAM manually to get it stable. So far I have 4200MHz at CL32 stable. Far from the advertised 5800MHz on the sticks. I do hope this is all fixable with future updates, and not hardware limitations.
@@ChatGTA345 with the latest bios update, I've been able to get 4800 cl 36 stable, but I had to increase the voltages and go up to 1.4v to the sticks. I haven't spent a whole lot of time fine tuning the timings, but higher MHz resulted in boot loops. Hopefully things keeps getting better with the updates.
@@insertnamehere4419 I think the issue in this thread is to be able to run 128GB (4 x 32GB) configuration. It's not currently possible to run any kit available on the market above 4,800
Hello! I have ASUS z690, intel 12700 and 4 x16 gb Kingston Fury ddr 6000. When all four modules are with XMP enabled (6000), after booting, Windows freezes after a few minutes. All four work without problems when XMP is disabled (4700). With two modules it works without problems with XMP enabled (6000). What should I do? Should I use two modules on the 6000, four on the 4700 or sell them and buy two 2 x 32. What is the best option for video editing? Thanks everyone!
4 sticks with updated BIOS still can't run xmp z790 a wifi. Wish I would have seen this video before I bought the 2 extra sticks. Had 32 now I have 64 but can't run xmp. Running at default 4800
Brother, can you recommend some tests that can give me an idea or crash my pc if my rams are not stable? Or do I just have to wait until my pc automatically crashes/freezes to know my rams are not stable? I know i'll get bsod but sometimes pc turns on works fine and after some time it crashes and I don't want to spend 10 minutes figuring out if it's stable only to get disappointed 😞 so if there is a software to do some testing, please tell me.
I am having same issue, please help Intel i9 14900k Crashing / Gigabyte z790 UD AX I see unexpected crashing issues when I install 4 G.skill Trident Z DDR5 RAM sticks (4000 MT/s) instead of 2 (4800 MT/s). Some config I have setup: Performance CPU Clock Ratio: 55 Efficiency CPU Clock Ratio: 42 Extreme Memory Profile: disabled BIOS is up to date : [F11e]
I just bought an Aorus X670 Elite AX mother and an AMD Ryzen 9 7900 processor and I want to buy a Kingston Fury Beast 4 stickd memory of 16Gb each. Will I have the same problem? I'm worried...
This isn't limited to DDR5, or Intel, XMP always was dodgy with more than 2 sticks... It's a synchronization issue... Sometimes you can get around it by shuffling the sticks around, sometimes you can relax the timings manually, sometimes you can lower the frequency by 100-200MHz and then it works fine. Try your XMP 6000 setting, but manually set the clock to 5800 MHz instead.
Indeed, I am having the same issue with 4x32GB in an AM4 B550 board with BIOS from August 2023. Runs at 2133, won't post at 3200 (the one XMP profile). I haven't tried anything in between yet. The RAM is Corsair CMK64GX4M2E3200C16. If you dig, 2133 appears to be the highest frequency at which it is guaranteed to run. It's a scam. They advertise the memory as 3200, include that number in the article number and what it actually means is "if you have no more than two DIMMs, of not too high capacity/density, with a bit of luck you may be able to overclock it to 3200 MHz and make it to a desktop without crashing".
Fantastic video, thank you. I am having the exact same issues with my new computer. Just bought the Corsair Vengeance i8100 that came with 2 sticks of 32Gb Dominator DDR5 ram clocked at 6,000MHz. Tried installing 2 more 32 Gb sticks of the exact same ram. Same speed, size same everything and the new computer would not go more than 3 min. without a crash and need to reboot. I even got 2 blue screens and total system lock up in the first hour. When I pulled the new ram back out, everything started working great. Also, when I removed the added RAM, it was very hot to the touch. About to watch your update video. Hope it has a solution to the problem.
I've had CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4x3GB 6000MHz and now have CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4x48GB 6600MHz running no XMP 4200MHz. When I updated to the latest BIOS Version for ROG MAXIMUS Z790 Dark Hero, PC wouldn't BOOT. When I removed two RAMs, I could BOOT with XMP ON and run at max speed. I updated BIOS back to oringinal and now can BOOT with 4 RAMs. If I remove two RAMs I can run at full speed XMP ON. Question now is run 192GB at 4200MHz or run 96GB at 6600MHz? Tech Notice "What do you think?"
Curious, does 4 sticks of RAM actually outperform 2 sticks of RAM by alot for AM5? Apology if I had provided misinformation, I am not educated enough on this subject, thus I am asking. I just brought 7950X with two sticks of 5200 at 64GB in total, cause I have some concerns with 4 sticks. Your video came a few hours later after I brought it.
4 sticks will give you more memory capacity in return for somewhat slower memory speeds. It will depend on what you are doing whether you will get more or less performance. If your system is frequently fetching data from a storage device you will get greater performance with more memory running at a slower speed.
@@christopherjackson2157 Thank you for your detailed reply. Noted and Understood. Guess I will put on getting the next two sticks till next year, once DDR5 technology gets a little more mature. Thank you once again.
Actual Overclocked did a video on this, saying DDR5 motherboards should only come with 2 dimm slots. Basically, the memory controller for DDR5 is still new, thus overclocking the ram anywhere above 5200M/T is a hit or miss. Now with that said, it depends on your motherboard and the cpu. The 7950X should be fine with 2 sticks at 5200M/T, as AMD pretty much guaranteed it to be able to get 6000M/T as the sweet spot for AM5. However, if you put in another 2 sticks, it will drop down to 3600M/T. Like I've said before, the platform for DDR5 is still new and immature, much like DDR4 in 2015-2017, when getting to 3200M/T was a miracle. You can try to manually overclock 4 sticks to 4800M/T, but it will take quite some time to fiddle with the CAS and timing. As per XMP and EXPO profile, they will be rendered useless once you have 4 sticks. For now, I would recommend you stay with 2 sticks. Probably in 2-3 more years, when DDR5 is more widely distributed, then we will be able to do what we can with 4 sticks of DDR4.
@@dutchmilk That's why I am disappointed in AM5 going DDR5 only. It's not about the price, but the stability. In 2017, I went on my first AM4 build with the X370 Taichi. The fastest I could run on 4 sticks were 2400M/T. After 4 years, with tons of BIOS updates, I managed to get them to run at 3000M/T, after days of meddling with the timings. Still, there would be crashes and BSOD every now and then. My advice for early tech adopters is to be patient. It will take time, a lot of time, for the manufacturers to refine their technology. Congrats on your new build, tho.
Can someone please help me? I have a ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-E GAMING WIFI motherboard with an G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB XMP 32GB DDR5-6800 CL34 kit but cant get the full 6.800 MHz.. Do I need to update my BIOS to fix this problem? My RAM reaches max 6666 MHz right now before crashing windows..
I want to build an AUDIO production PC,,, i7-12700k with integrated graphics. Does the Pro art creator z690 with Core i7-12700k work smoothly with 2 sticks of 32 gb DDR5 ram?? I want the Thunderbolt and 10 gb ethernet in the Z690 pro Art but if it only runs on DDR5 ram?? wth do we do. What is the next comparable z690 with DDR4?
Just built a system with 128GB DDR5 based on 6600 sticks. Can boot Win11 at 5400. Knew I have to sacrifice clock rate with 4 sticks. Finally can be stable at 4800 with aggressive latency parameters (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS etc.). On the future upgrade path from 64GB two stick, I'm unsure if I can get the exactly same 64GB sticks later. So might as well get 4 sticks now or none.
Depends on the bios. Some versions of bios wont allow it properly due to new updates for newer cpus for the MB. I found with mine, i had to manually set the ddr voktage up .2 volts when using XMP. Older bios, xmp will work without voltage change. Something to do with bios uogrades and cpu compatibilities.
i got 4 DIMMs at EXPO to work, i run 4 Gskill Flare x5 5600 on a Asrock X670e Pro Rs , & i actually am using their first initial bios with the motherboard (1.03) & my OC is stable, when i update my bios to their recent versions (1.07) i cant get it to post, took me a day of testing to figure this out
Im currently running 4x16gb DDR5 5200mhz sticks of corsair dominator on the asus strix z690e on xmp3 without any issue (bios v2204 - december 2022) After install it booted straight to windows. No boot loops or crashes.
AMD 7950x here with 128GB (4x32) G.Skill Flare X5 on ASRock x670e, I can occasionally boot with AMD EXPO for my ram but have experienced memory corruption (confirmed with memtest) so I disabled it. The extra speed would be nice but the capacity is essential for me.
Hello everyone. I have a question, will the Asus ProArtz 790 board with the 13th generation processor still have a problem with four DDR5 RAM sticks and the XMP profile enabled? Or maybe this problem has been solved and I can go ahead and buy 4 x 16GB 5600MHz sticks and enable XMP? Best regards
Hello. I am wondering exactly the same thing after watching a video titled "128GB DDR5-6000 Kingston FURY BEAST Intel XMP Certified" in which they install 2 Kits of 64Gb Kingston RAM at 6,000MT/s without any apparent problem. I still can't say for sure that the ProArt Z790 has solved this RAM problem, but apparently it does.
from what i have heard lately, it is about how 32GB+ sticks are DUAL channels which max out the bandwidth. anything else "overloads" it and really doesnt make much of a difference. i am completely new to the DDR5 quirks but it makes sense. i found that corsair currently sells a 4 stick kit BUT its only 8GB or 16GB but they are only single channel sticks. from how it was explained in a video, a single channel is writing or read only. dual channel can read and write at the same time. there seems to only be 4 channels for a 4 DIMM mobo. the only way that a lay man like me can think of is that mobo will have to have 8 channels for 4 DIMMs. however, i think that would impact the cpu and mobo development quite a bit. hope this might make a little sense. PS- single channel, the ram chips are on ONE side of the stick. dual channel has ram chips on BOTH sides.
As far i remember from the 12th gen cpu reviews, tt's not a matter of ram or either motherboards. It's the cpu that doesn't support 4 stick of memory in xmp mode
i agreed with all your comment, 4x DIMM won't work stable for long .. although you have pass all memory test doesn't mean you can pass with your daily work. for my case, i had to left it with 2x DIMM and set myself limit
I had no issues until today when booting up my system it simply didn’t power up! I removed the memory (G.Skill 4 16GB) sticks on my Asus Prime Z690-A Mobo and the CMOS battery. I installed them back after 5 minutes and the BIOS screen popped up, made adjustments mentioned above (XMP 1) and saved it and still an issue. The only way it will boot up properly to windows is by removing the memory sticks but one. I didn’t have this issue before and it ran beautifully with 64GB of ram until today.
I have 4 x 16 sticks of ddr5 6400 ram. It will post to windows with xmp, I can even play a game, for about 20 minutes, then crashes to desktop, could that be a ram issue or something else entirely? I did memtest86 with 4 sticks at 6400 with xmp and got errors in the later tests, took xmp off and set ram to 5600, 2 passes so far and no errors
tried running 4x 16GB @ 7200 on 13900K ... it will boot. But as soon as any serious load on the system it will crash. I think I will try to bump it down to 6800 or 7000MHz. It seems like it's almost there. It runs perfectly fine @ 7200 MHz with 2 sticks.
For some reason, I couldn’t change anything in my Gigabyte Bios. But after I unplugged the battery for 20 seconds, with no power cable and turned on my PC with all 4 Ram blocks. It worked perfectly 🙂
4x16 6000-CL 36 and no issue here, and they are two diferentes GSKILL kits 2x16 Trident Zneo, and 2x16 FlareX5, justs first boot with neo ones, let the bios tranining to finish, and reboot with 4 slots populated, no issues.
Here's an update/explanation to this video: ruclips.net/video/wzVZgTP2204/видео.html
I have AMD build same problem with the Asus Tuf X670E motherboard first dual (kingstom ram 2×16) channel works on 6000mhz. But if use 4 dual channel it not boot up to windows. Strange things is you can see and hear fans spinning plus all ram have rbg light up but black screen. So issue is not the ram stick but need a firmware update ???
I built a 12900KS with the ProArt Z690 and 128GB of DDR5. As you highlighted in this video, I had continuous issues trying to get the sticks to operate at anything above base clock. The system would refuse to POST and usually required me to remove the other two sticks of RAM before it would even boot again. Every time a new BIOS version was released for that board. I immediately installed it, hoping it would correct the issues, but it never did, to include the very latest version with 13th Gen support. I dropped everything on eBay and built a Threadripper PRO 5975WX with 256GB of ECC DDR4. It will be years before I even attempt to mess with DDR5 again. Not impressed.
Good decision. Especially with the ECC rams. You will have an amazingly stable workstation. The only thing I don’t like about Threadripper builds is the lack of nice mainboards. I found most of them not really looking good.
@Ms Moon Boo done mate. I was a little too fast. sorry for that :-)
@Ms Moon Boo I also deleted the other comment.
why are you so rich?
i mean..... the reason is due to ddr5 using 4 seperate channels on 2 sticks.. 4 sticks = 8octo if single sided.
Thank you for being one of only a few RUclipsrs to talk about this issue. If feel like creators have been left out by the manufacturers for this gen 😕
same with amd ... got 7900x and 16x4 ddr5 6000mhz ram sticks .... only able to run ram @3600 mhz with timings 40 40 76 properly ... 3600+ and pc starts crashing and boot slow downs takes upto 70+ seconds sometimes to boot to windows !! what a waste of money
The clock speed of the ram is memory controller/ motherboard dependant. 2 will always clock faster than 4 though. On a like for like comparison.
i'm crying something please think of the "creators"
@@moriyokiri3229 I saw Corsair made 48GB memory modules available recently, not sure if they're compatible with AM5 now but they enable 96GB or 192GB memory total, maybe something to look into!
XMP my Z790 AORA Master motherboard won't boot with 128G (4x32) G.Skill 6000 MHz and XMP enabled.
I want to try 5200 with "manual xmp"... But yeah..
Will changing timings manually help? I assume making the timings 'worse' even a small bit may improve compatability?
Hello. I have the same problem as you but on an Asus HERO Z690. After seeing a video of the ASUS ProArt Z790 where they put 4 sticks of RAM at 6000MT/s running without any problem, I have considered the option of buying that motherboard. However, seeing that you're having problems with a Z790, I'm not sure I do anymore. The video in question is titled "128GB DDR5-6000 Kingston FURY BEAST Intel XMP Certified"
@@n4ul17o If it's a kit of 128, it should work fine. Combining 2 kits probably wont though, like mine.
having same problem, withn Z790, 3 G.skills DDR5 sticks 16,32 and 16GB (slots used 12,4) not able to enable XMP. currently running at speed of 4000MHZ
Wow, at least those of us who tried without knowing all the problems have the consolation of not being alone. Thank you. I tried everything to stabilize Windows 11 running 128GB without XMP on a z790 board. Ok for a few hours, then freeze, freeze, freeze at stock speeds. Latest BIOS. Wasn't a problem with CPU or paste or cooling, just this issue you were talking about four months ago! Cheers!
It's the imc of the CPU, most likely :)
@@theTechNotice Just noticed Asus posted a new BIOS version for Maximus z790 Hero. Like a moth to a flame...
win 11 is a mess but one thing worked better and that was that damn DOCP😮💨but i leave it stock and using w10 whatever it´s not worth it💁♂
OMG. I was WAITING for someone to mention this! Am so glad that you did.
Your conclusion is on point. You want to build your PC then use it. Not tune the parts because of glitches from the manufacturer's end. GREAT POINT. This philosophy should be applied to CPUs and GPUs as well unless you're an enthusiast.
Thanks for answering why there's no 4 sticks available for DDR5 ram. Creators are going to drag their feet even more in adopting next gen with such a problematic hardware bottleneck.
Yeah DDR5 is still bleeding edge, it's part of the reason why I got a DDR4 board for my build, it's much easier to get high capacity of RAM. I don't think DDR5 will really be worth adopting for about another year.
@@MistyKathrine Yup 64 GB ram
@@MistyKathrine maybe two years
@@JoeWayne84 Wouldn't surprise me.
@@MistyKathrine There's an easy fix; It's go AMD.
This finally answers the questions concerning "Plug and Play," which has often been called "Plug and Pray." I've been building PCs since the late 1980s; remember MS-DOS and early individual memory chips? None of this is new to me. Problems like this are just a part of building a PC. Sometimes you must learn to live with it or go crazy. Don't worry; just let someone else figure it all out. Hot running DRAM? You can purchase small fan DRAM coolers to solve that.
To be fair, on Intel Ark product specification:
i9-12900K : Up to DDR5 4800 MT/s
i9-13900K : Up to DDR5 5600 MT/s
Which leads me to believe that if you have a 13th gen, you can could run 5200 MT/s or even 5600 MT/s. Chip is out thursday officially. On vas bien voir!
ur right, i just got an i9 13thgen , and my ram finally runs at 5600mhz 64gb without any problem
@@rekenops8651 Four sticks?
So how are people getting their systems to work with higher clocks?
Don't forget to read all the specs. 'Up to' 5600 mt/s on 13th gen. That's with 1 dimm per channel. I can't seem to find the damn chart unfortunately, however speeds decrease with increased ram. As in more sticks. Then you have the stress of single vs dual rank ram, dual rank puts more stress on the memory controller. Having all 4 dimms populated 2dpc, also adds more stress. And if you're talking ddr5, then a typical 32gb of ram in 2x16gb is just fine. It's 1dpc and single rank, there are no dual rank ddr5 at 16gb per stick. 32gb sticks and up are dual rank. Tech Notice here is using 4 sticks, 128gb so 32gb per stick. Worst case scenario, dual rank and 2dpc. The most stress on the memory controller.
And of course intel's official speeds drop the more stress you add to the system. Hence the 'up to'. Then there's also the consideration that intel's officially supported speeds don't mean people 'can't' run faster ram, just that it's not guaranteed to run. You run a ddr5 1dpc setup of 2x16gb on 13th gen and you get ddr5 6000 it'll probably work. But if it doesn't, if for some strange reason someone got a low end lottery cpu and it will only function at 5600 mt/s, well that's all intel said it would run. They never promised more. There's no rma for that. I imagine if the chip was severely hosed and could only run 5200 mt/s within intel's specs, the cpu could likely be seen as 'faulty' and rma'd. Intel's already been confirming 13th gen working with ddr5 over 7000 mt/s so maybe they'll update their specs? But then they'd have to guarantee all 13th gen will handle it and that might be another story.
@@Mehecanogeesir Intel official specs aren't the 'max', just the confirmed spec. Many people enable xmp and get well over the 'max' on the intel specs but it's not guaranteed. Xmp is never guaranteed. The ram company can promise you 'ddr5 6400'. The motherboard can promise you 'max memory speeds of 7200+!'. But neither gets to dictate what you get. They can only speak for their component. That stick of ram 'can' run that fast, that motherboard 'can' run ram that fast. Ultimately it's up to the integrated memory controller in the cpu. In this case, intel. Some people could run ddr4 4000, others ddr4 3600. Some people put ddr4 3600 in their system and no boot with xmp enabled. It didn't like it. They had to drop to ddr4 3200 which was still technically more than intel promised for ddr4. But it wasn't what they were hoping for and what they were hoping for was a roll of the dice. Silicon lottery, like a good overclocker vs a poor one. The cpu's are all within manufacturing tolerance, a range of performance. Which is why you could have one cpu with a 'max' top end of 3.9ghz at 1.26v running 4.6 or 4.7ghz oc'd. And another with the same model cpu couldn't get 4.4ghz stable even pushing 1.3v core voltage. They had to settle for 4.2 or 4.3ghz. The reference to 'golden' chips meaning those in the same product line that were just the best tolerances and like a lucky lotto winner got a better version of the same thing out of the box.
I chatted with Asus tech support and the rep said they are working on a BIOS update to address the XMP issue. I asked if I purchase 128 GB of RAM (x4 32GBs) from the QVL that a BIOS update (to come) would resolve the issue and he said it is in the works. He recommended 5600 or 5800 speeds.
I watched all your videos on DDR5 issues as I came across an issue on my own system. I am running an Asus z690e wifi + I9 12900k + 4 sticks of 16GB T-force ram rated for 6400Mhz. I originally built my PC with 32GB but then amazon had a sale on the same ram, so I added another 2 sticks to make it 64gb all together. Upon adding the 2 new sticks, BSOD started happening. What worked for me was bumping up the voltage from 1.35 to 1.37 and changing ram power deliver system from " synced all 4 " to "per dimm" and reducing my clock speeds from 6400 to 6200 . So far I was able to get stable sessions from my pc and I hope it stays this way ....
This guy was really helpful for building a new pc, I had my Asus rog mobo, Corsair DDR5 ram (6000mhz) x 4 stick and intel i9 13900k, 13 gen, turn on XMP, and voila no boot. I even update the mobo BIOS and driver on Windows 11 with no luck.
I haven’t tried to take out 2 rams yet, but I am pretty sure this will solve my issue. So anyone who wants to buy 4 sticks, do some research first since overclocking is still not stable with gen 12/13th mobo, unless you are confident with changing Voltages for CPU or memory. Good job mate.
I would love to see you give this a second try with a 13900k instead of the 12900ks (keep the same MB). It would tell us if the problem is in the chipset or the CPU.
I think people invested in Z690 will not want to buy a Z790 so you would be answering if a new CPU could allow faster RAM speeds.
13th gen + z790 still can't enable the xmp with 4 sticks
I'm running a 13900k and a ROG Maximus z690 Formula. I tried running two kits of CORSAIR Vengeance 64GB (2 x 32GB) @ 5200. I can enable XMP but the system was entirely unstable with BSOD after 15-30 minutes of running, as well as the system taking minutes to POST occasionally. I haven't tried manually setting the profile to try and get both kits running together. I can't be bothered putting in that much effort for it. Just gonna hope some people smarter than me resolve it in an easy manner.
@@waifuism6720 have you tried upping the voltages? VDD & VDDQ
@@SUTH_33 I get at least xmp2 with 5000 with 4x 5200 Corsairs running stable. 5066 runs with crashes, 5200 doesn't boot....
Is this down to intel 12th and 13th gen only having duel channel support?
So many people reported this type of issue on AM5 and 12/13th gen intel. I plan on buying 2x32GB kit for my next build with Zen 5 or 14th gen intel for now until the situation improves with both ram channels populated.
Also if you're a scientist, engineer, or creator you really just need rock-solid stability. Even as an enthusiast I am leaning toward running my next rig at stock settings because AMD is pushing their chips to the limit out of the box. Less than 5% of performance uplift on them isn't worth the instability. With Intel, at least for now you still get gains overclocking but at the cost of a ton of power and cooling increases.
Looks like it's not just an AMD problem for 4 sticks of RAM 128gb. Thanks for this
Like you said, ram, cpu and boards manufacturers really need to solve this with 4 sticks!!!
ya two cents of copper to make t topology
Is this still an issue with the 13th Gen CPUs??
I have a i9 13900 and I’m running 64 GB DDR5 ram but I would love to increase to 128
not using 4 sticks but when using 2 sticks of kingston Fury 5600, the XMP did go into windows, done benchmarks right, only once a while crash in MSFS, and don't pass FFT512+ prime 95 over 2 hours at XMP, perfectly fine with 4800MT, ended up the solution, was disabling the dynamic memory boost, now rock solid in prime 95 with XMP
Hey! so ive got a 12900k, 64GB DDR5 6400Mhz, Z690 Aorus Master MB, 3080 ti aorus master and this crashes on their own xmp profile i cant even boot and i get a memory code on the motherboard all my games stutter when im streaming in 1080p and playing in 4k max on apex and this is kind of ridiculous because i bought almost the best everything and nothing is working right in either windows 10 or 11
I'm waiting for you to test this on 13 gen, very interested in upgrading next spring and thanks for your work!
13th? same. xmp can't works with 4 sticks of ram
@@SUTH_33 AHOC youtube channel got 4 sticks of 16GB sticks running at 6000mhz
Isit a 4 sticks kit? I am running two kits of 2x48 kits because corsair dominator doesn't come with 196 gb of ram and when I XMP I have to keep the voltage at 1.41 and can't go beyond 4800 MT/S. any solutions?
I fixed it and was able to push it to 6000 but I am keeping it at 5200.
why did you get this instead of the 7950x ?!?!?
Your videos have been very helpful and informative! Yes, G. Skill DDR 5 5600 kept getting BSODs (I thought a DIMM slot was bad) running on ProArt Z690 Creator Wifi mobo with i9-12900K, new build Bios 2004 & GeForce RTX 3090..however, runs great on 2 sticks at 5600. I don't want to have to continually do tweaks to run 4 sticks. Thank you for your update!
Hey i just installeed 32 more gb ram into my rig with 4 sticks instead of 2
Had no issue with xmp on 32 gb but after getting new ram my pc restart alot. What Can i do?
@thetechnotice
hi there, do you think it can run now the 5600mhz 4x16gb in XMP2 with the newer bios? its now 2024.. thank you!
Yeah, this explains a lot. I've got 4 sticks of 16GB 6400 MHz Kingston Fury w/ intel 13900k, can't run XMP at all, even at the slowest 4800 MHz profile. Blue screens everywhere. Forced to run stock @4000 MHz. Sucks from a consumers perspective that these chips are advertised at the higher speeds when they're unable to run at that frequency.
Still can’t do it with an MSI Z790-P and 14700K. I’m gonna prolly return the 2x16 sticks I got cuz I couldn’t get all 4 to run at CL 40 6000MT/s. 4000MT/s was the only stable speed.
I got 4*16 DDR5 6000MT CL40...with XMP the PC boot but lots of errors in MEMTEST...I lowered the MT to 5200 and CL to 28-34-34-68 1.350v...and works like a charm no errors 😁
Which brand/sku memory did you use? Thx
@@OlympicBruce Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5 6000MT CL40
You might need to look at the memory support of your board. 4x16GB might be 1R, (heard it could sometimes be 2R which further lowers the potential clock speeds you can reach) and 2DPC 1R could be rated to well under 6000MHz.
The board I got for the 2 sticks of 32GB I got is rated for "1DPC 2R Up to 6000+ MHz" so my 5600MHZ should have a high chance of just working fine. If I got another pair It most likely wont run above 4800 as it's only rated for "2DPC 2R Up to 4800+ MHz" which is what 4x32GB sticks function as.
@@JoshM7 2 STICKS of ram can run @6400MT on my board ...But now after the latest BIOS , I can run 4 sticks @5600MT and 28-30-30-60 1.350V without any errors in memtest
28 34 34? are u sure?
Great video! BTW: What keyboard is that in the video? Looks slick!
Not work with 4 !!!
Ok, asus, gigabyte, msi, sleep or can make bios update to fix this ???
This was surprisingly entertaining to watch someone perform the little tedious details to make a machine function properly. Which is something I do often. Good information. Thank you.
its still early adopter of ddr5, but the headaches and the pricing is why i went ddr4. i belive mr tech notice also mentioned for creation amount is greater than speed. i might be wrong.
Thanks; just updated my 2x32GB Kingston Fury Beast RGB DDR5-5200 with an extra set on Asus Z690-Plus with i9-12900KF CPU; did not work with the advertised 5200 Mhz. Troubleshooting and found your channel. Already running latest and greatest BIOS. Will keep an eye out here - thank you for the detailed video.
I have T-Force Delta RGB DDR5 Ram 32GB Kit 6000MHz whenever I Enable XMP it always take take 2 minutes to boot up always not first time yellow LED light in motherboard as well please help
I agree keeping the BIOS up to date is important. It can sometimes have a bad effect if a system is already stable but on new/cutting edge tech it often solves more issues than it causes. As a tip: I found a need on my ASUS boards to also do a clear CMOS and reset to default settings before reconfiguring all the settings again as this had a material impact on performance and stability. Reloading saved profiles or not loading back to defaults would sometimes see strange behaviour.
When you update the bios tbe saved profiles are removed and a cmos is done automatically for you.
I learned the hard way and lost all my configs / oc undervolt but figured it back out 😂 and took screenshots of my uief settings
Agree, it wipes the saved profiles when doing an update. I loaded my saved profile from a USB drive I had exported it to assuming it would be fine and found it wasn’t 100%. Reconfiguring the exact same settings after a Clear CMOS manually resulted in a much better stability and slightly more performance.
@@Matty-rn5gt yep this is exactly what happened with me so I just took screenshots of my settings
Any updates? I am not working at 6000mt/s
On 14700k z790
I wonder if 13th Gen and Z790 will be any better. Or if anyone finally brings out 64gb sticks to get 128gb
I think we will see that in time. I believe DDR5 is capable of up to 256gb per stick.
Ditto. I hope we can get that tested when the 13th gen and Z790 come out next week. Anyone know if there's been any announcements for release dates for 64GB DDR5 sticks?
@@birdman8125 256gb per stick? 🤣🤣😭 are u talking about ddr9 in the years 2045??? 😭😭
My system won't boot with 64GB or 128GB of G.Skill TridentZ rams in XMP I or XMP II with the ASUS z590-e either, it's just a black screen...any ideas or suggestions?
I got a 7800X3D. I went with 4 sticks of T-Create 6000MTs CL30. I get weekly blue screens. Surprisingly stable since it's only weekly. I can work hardcore creator workloads for entire days straight with no issues, but once a week I'll be randomly hit by a blue screen. I've ruled out every other possible cause, and none of the RAM sticks are bad. This is my first time going with 4 sticks and now I wish I went with 2 lol, but I am experimenting now with trying to get it fully stable since it's been surprisingly stable otherwise. I've rolled by speeds to 5600MTs to keep the timings, since AMD seems to respond better to low timings; as opposed to higher speeds. If that doesn't work I'll try 5200MTs at CL30. If that doesn't work maybe I'll try CL34; basically copying the 2x32 spec from teamgroup. If that doesn't work I'll try 5600MT at CL40, or take half the sticks out and call it another learning mistake in PC building lol...like when I built my first & only dual-GPU PC in 2012.
Aesthetics are important to me next to performance. Obviously performance first. That being said I wish Corsair would continue making the fake dimms for DDR5 with all its RGB kits. Vengeance and Doms. A mobo with 2 slots being used out of 4 just doesn’t look good when using RGB ram.
People spend too much time obsessing over the innards of their pc when concerning "keeping up with the Joneses".
I remember a time when people just played games without caring so much about what brands were under the hood.
@@whathappenedtoearth6495 ok grandpa
@@juanpineda1446 I'm 39, not a grandpa by any stretch.
@@whathappenedtoearth6495sound like one
Ive got b660m pro rs 12400f with 2 sticks RAM corsair vengeance rs 3200gb 8x2, i'm about to upgrade 2 more sticks and also can i turn xmp with 4 sticks?
13:32 It would have booted anyway. I'm not sure if you tried because of editing and not live, but I just put 6000 in my 12700K rig, and it did that same thing down to the letter. But when it said it was reset and you pulled that channel of RAM, I did not. Instead, I went into BIOS and turned on XMP (6000), rebooted like normal, and it worked like a charm. Has been running solid ever since. Not sure what that corruption message was, but all it did was reset the BIOS back to the factory, and then I just turned on XMP, and that was it.
@theTechNotice The HP omen 45 does not boot or goes in bios when testing this. I have kingston 2x 64 ddr5 6000mhz running at 4400. would it be better put an extra 64 ram in?
I have the same specs as you have, the exact same Kingston Ram, even the same GPU. I only have a different CPU, an AMD Ryzen 9, 7900x cpu running on an ASUS Prime B650-Plus. According to specs this board also supports that ram, according to the QVL. I have not been messing in the bios at first. Tried 64GB, ran perfectly fine at 4,800Mt/s. Then added the other two dimms for the total of 128GB, but my pc wouldn't boot. I tried turning on Memory Training, but I simply could not get into the bios. Only when removing two dimms it worked again. For me it's not even needed 4 dimms running at 4,800Mt/s. If all of them ran at 3,600Mt/s it would be fine as well, but also this combination is not working. And, I did upgraded the bios a few days ago. It could probably be the motherboard, which is not the most expensive board, but one could assume if the specs say, it can handle 128GB, it should be able to handle 128GB. So currently I have 2 (expensive) Kingston dimms lying here collecting dust. Any suggestion how I get 4 of them working? 128GB on 3,600Mt/s is faster than 64GB on 4,800Mt/s. It did work for a while, but I noticed after the bios update (when all settings are reset, and of course the 4 dimms were set back to auto, the pc refused to boot again), that after removing the 2 extra sticks my video editor is working a lot slower. I do a lot of video effects, encoding on 4K video material. Any suggestions on how to get this working?
Why are 4 sticks (128) at 3600 faster than 2 sticks (64) at 4800?
i got a question, if i got 2x16 sticks of corsair vengeance ddr5 5600mhz cl36
and another 2 same but 32x2,
can i use 4 of them together?
or in order to the pc dual chanel to work properly it has also to have same capacity ?
and if can i use them together, can i use xmp for 4 of them together?
I actually bought 4 sticks of that exact Kingston Fury DDR5 RAM up to 128 GB but haven’t built it into a system yet. Are you saying that without XMP (at base speed) it will be stable but it just can’t be overclocked? If so, that’s not the biggest deal for me since my workflow just requires the capacity to hold lots of music samples. I wasn’t planning to overclock. Are the sticks stable without XMP?
yess sure, it just can't run the xmp. with the stock speed its just fine
i did the mistake and ordered 4x16 with my 7950x, but it does work, only point is that goes to 5200 and not 6000.
when i put 2 ram sticks of the fury beast i have 4000mhz, but once i put 4 ram sticks my ram is 2000mhz how is that possible?
You’re not doing the correct settings in the BIOS. After you set the XMP profile the next step is to go down to DRAM VDD Voltage and set it the voltage to 1.3. Then change DRAM VDDQ Voltage to 1.3. THE FINAL STEP!!! Go to “AI Tweaker Advance Memory Voltages and go down to PMIC Voltages and change it to “By Per PMIC” save and exit. Restart, it may take some time, and then it will work.
This did not work for me using 128gb Corsair 5600 (4x32) -- it booted, but I had multiple BSOD and Windows Explorer kept crashing.
@@Synchrodipityhave you found a workaround? I managed to run at most at 4200 stable.
@@angelg3986 I swapped the ram for 64gb of 5600 Kingston that was on the QVL. Stable since then.
@@SynchrodipityI have the same, and it works fine.
Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR5 6000 MHz AMD Expo works in a 4x 16GB configuration on my Asus X670E Extreme with AMD 7950X
jesuseffinchrist the price of the mobo is insane :(
BIOS version?
@@fabiob9147 Using latest BIOS version
Nope mine would not write correctly with nearly 4000 errors with 4 sticks in system. Wish I would have know this before buying 4 sticks of DDR5 memory. Memory test sent: sent RRWWGET but read RRWWDET errors out the ying yang. 2 sticks of 7200 runs the memory test great, no issues.
Hello. Do you think the DDR5 would make a big difference in comparison with DDR4 using i7 13th g. and Z790 motherboard for music and video production? Worth it?
why not just use a z690 should do the job just fine with 13th gen
13900 and ASRock z790 Live Mixer works with 128GB Corsair 5200 memory, even though their website says it won't work with 4 sticks
Advertised speeds are for the memory it doesn't guarantee that the mem mb and proc combo can reach that speed. Hint: look at the intel specs for its processor mem speed.
witch one is better intel core i9 - 12900ks or intel core i9 13900k ?
On my AMD 7950 running 4 sticks of ram at 5600 MT/S my system bullet stable at this specs but with 4 stick of ram 64 GB total 6000 Mhz NOT STABLE the system boots up but not stable tested with Memtes 86+ , AIDA 64 Stability test , OCCT Test Not stable I tried every method not stable at all none of them worked for 4 sticks of ram ! However for 2 sticks of ram I can go 6200 MT/S stable with all tests but for 6400 Mhz system fails immediately to initialize boot up sequence ! Rams kit Kingston Fury Renegade 6000 MT/S with 3 XMP profile to set, 4800, 5600, 6000
Hi there, In an nzxt z790 n7 I couldn't get 4x16 gskill dimms working at 6000 Mhz (what is her top speedvalue), I could only make the system boot by putting them in xmp at 5600 Mhz and nothing else, any suggestions?
I was looking for 4 x 16GB or 4 x 32GB kits and there's literally nothing. That the motherboards are advertised as 128GB capable with RAM kits on QVL is hugely misleading if not downright false advertising. How does one get 128GB @ 6,000mhz DDR5 today? You can't. Interesting video!!
exactly!
@@theTechNotice I have a set of 2x16 GB 5200mhz and 2x16 4800 MHz (ddr5) on a MSI pro z690-a and a i5 12600k, it runs on 4800 just fine, I'm considering about to change my 4800 set to a 2x32gb 5200mhz set, but will I obtain any benefit to the larger amount of ram in davinci resolve studio? I film in 4K...
Thanks for the in-depth video. I got a Ryzen 7590x setup myself with 2 sets of 2x32GB kits. Even at the stock bios speeds it was very unstable, and I ended up returning my first motherboard because of it. Having the same issue on the next board, I ended up having to de-clock and up the voltage on the RAM manually to get it stable. So far I have 4200MHz at CL32 stable. Far from the advertised 5800MHz on the sticks. I do hope this is all fixable with future updates, and not hardware limitations.
Not even at 4800 stable? I'd totally go for it they worked without XMP at that level, but 4200 CL32 is basically 2x worse than 3600 CL16 😕
@@ChatGTA345 with the latest bios update, I've been able to get 4800 cl 36 stable, but I had to increase the voltages and go up to 1.4v to the sticks. I haven't spent a whole lot of time fine tuning the timings, but higher MHz resulted in boot loops. Hopefully things keeps getting better with the updates.
@@tronotrond I see, what's your latency as measured by AIDA64?
I've had zero issues with my 7700x and 6000mhz xmp. Is the memory you chose on your boards QVL?
@@insertnamehere4419 I think the issue in this thread is to be able to run 128GB (4 x 32GB) configuration. It's not currently possible to run any kit available on the market above 4,800
Hello! I have ASUS z690, intel 12700 and 4 x16 gb Kingston Fury ddr 6000. When all four modules are with XMP enabled (6000), after booting, Windows freezes after a few minutes. All four work without problems when XMP is disabled (4700). With two modules it works without problems with XMP enabled (6000). What should I do? Should I use two modules on the 6000, four on the 4700 or sell them and buy two 2 x 32. What is the best option for video editing? Thanks everyone!
4 sticks with updated BIOS still can't run xmp z790 a wifi. Wish I would have seen this video before I bought the 2 extra sticks. Had 32 now I have 64 but can't run xmp. Running at default 4800
Brother, can you recommend some tests that can give me an idea or crash my pc if my rams are not stable? Or do I just have to wait until my pc automatically crashes/freezes to know my rams are not stable? I know i'll get bsod but sometimes pc turns on works fine and after some time it crashes and I don't want to spend 10 minutes figuring out if it's stable only to get disappointed 😞 so if there is a software to do some testing, please tell me.
I am having same issue, please help
Intel i9 14900k Crashing / Gigabyte z790 UD AX
I see unexpected crashing issues when I install 4 G.skill Trident Z DDR5 RAM sticks (4000 MT/s) instead of 2 (4800 MT/s).
Some config I have setup:
Performance CPU Clock Ratio: 55
Efficiency CPU Clock Ratio: 42
Extreme Memory Profile: disabled
BIOS is up to date : [F11e]
I just bought an Aorus X670 Elite AX mother and an AMD Ryzen 9 7900 processor and I want to buy a Kingston Fury Beast 4 stickd memory of 16Gb each. Will I have the same problem? I'm worried...
This isn't limited to DDR5, or Intel, XMP always was dodgy with more than 2 sticks... It's a synchronization issue... Sometimes you can get around it by shuffling the sticks around, sometimes you can relax the timings manually, sometimes you can lower the frequency by 100-200MHz and then it works fine. Try your XMP 6000 setting, but manually set the clock to 5800 MHz instead.
Unstable tried
Indeed, I am having the same issue with 4x32GB in an AM4 B550 board with BIOS from August 2023. Runs at 2133, won't post at 3200 (the one XMP profile).
I haven't tried anything in between yet.
The RAM is Corsair CMK64GX4M2E3200C16. If you dig, 2133 appears to be the highest frequency at which it is guaranteed to run. It's a scam. They advertise the memory as 3200, include that number in the article number and what it actually means is "if you have no more than two DIMMs, of not too high capacity/density, with a bit of luck you may be able to overclock it to 3200 MHz and make it to a desktop without crashing".
Fantastic video, thank you. I am having the exact same issues with my new computer. Just bought the Corsair Vengeance i8100 that came with 2 sticks of 32Gb Dominator DDR5 ram clocked at 6,000MHz. Tried installing 2 more 32 Gb sticks of the exact same ram. Same speed, size same everything and the new computer would not go more than 3 min. without a crash and need to reboot. I even got 2 blue screens and total system lock up in the first hour. When I pulled the new ram back out, everything started working great. Also, when I removed the added RAM, it was very hot to the touch. About to watch your update video. Hope it has a solution to the problem.
So useful. Thanks for the explanation 🙏🏽
What about 13th gen? Same issue prevails? The issue is only because of the motherboard??
I've had CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4x3GB 6000MHz and now have CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4x48GB 6600MHz running no XMP 4200MHz. When I updated to the latest BIOS Version for ROG MAXIMUS Z790 Dark Hero, PC wouldn't BOOT. When I removed two RAMs, I could BOOT with XMP ON and run at max speed. I updated BIOS back to oringinal and now can BOOT with 4 RAMs. If I remove two RAMs I can run at full speed XMP ON. Question now is run 192GB at 4200MHz or run 96GB at 6600MHz? Tech Notice "What do you think?"
Curious, does 4 sticks of RAM actually outperform 2 sticks of RAM by alot for AM5? Apology if I had provided misinformation, I am not educated enough on this subject, thus I am asking. I just brought 7950X with two sticks of 5200 at 64GB in total, cause I have some concerns with 4 sticks. Your video came a few hours later after I brought it.
4 sticks will give you more memory capacity in return for somewhat slower memory speeds. It will depend on what you are doing whether you will get more or less performance. If your system is frequently fetching data from a storage device you will get greater performance with more memory running at a slower speed.
@@christopherjackson2157 Thank you for your detailed reply. Noted and Understood. Guess I will put on getting the next two sticks till next year, once DDR5 technology gets a little more mature.
Thank you once again.
Actual Overclocked did a video on this, saying DDR5 motherboards should only come with 2 dimm slots. Basically, the memory controller for DDR5 is still new, thus overclocking the ram anywhere above 5200M/T is a hit or miss. Now with that said, it depends on your motherboard and the cpu. The 7950X should be fine with 2 sticks at 5200M/T, as AMD pretty much guaranteed it to be able to get 6000M/T as the sweet spot for AM5. However, if you put in another 2 sticks, it will drop down to 3600M/T. Like I've said before, the platform for DDR5 is still new and immature, much like DDR4 in 2015-2017, when getting to 3200M/T was a miracle. You can try to manually overclock 4 sticks to 4800M/T, but it will take quite some time to fiddle with the CAS and timing. As per XMP and EXPO profile, they will be rendered useless once you have 4 sticks. For now, I would recommend you stay with 2 sticks. Probably in 2-3 more years, when DDR5 is more widely distributed, then we will be able to do what we can with 4 sticks of DDR4.
@@luanphan2706 well noted. Thank you very much. Guess that is what all early adopters of new technology would face.
@@dutchmilk That's why I am disappointed in AM5 going DDR5 only. It's not about the price, but the stability. In 2017, I went on my first AM4 build with the X370 Taichi. The fastest I could run on 4 sticks were 2400M/T. After 4 years, with tons of BIOS updates, I managed to get them to run at 3000M/T, after days of meddling with the timings. Still, there would be crashes and BSOD every now and then. My advice for early tech adopters is to be patient. It will take time, a lot of time, for the manufacturers to refine their technology. Congrats on your new build, tho.
Can someone please help me? I have a ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-E GAMING WIFI motherboard with an G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB XMP 32GB DDR5-6800 CL34 kit but cant get the full 6.800 MHz.. Do I need to update my BIOS to fix this problem? My RAM reaches max 6666 MHz right now before crashing windows..
How can we avoid a blue screen? is it better not to mess with the RAM XMP?(2×32 sticks ddr 5 5600gh)😕🤔
Is it better just to get 2 32 sticks 2-32 GB sticks if you want to go that high. Mine will not boot even after updating the bias
I want to build an AUDIO production PC,,, i7-12700k with integrated graphics. Does the Pro art creator z690 with Core i7-12700k work smoothly with 2 sticks of 32 gb DDR5 ram?? I want the Thunderbolt and 10 gb ethernet in the Z690 pro Art but if it only runs on DDR5 ram?? wth do we do. What is the next comparable z690 with DDR4?
Just built a system with 128GB DDR5 based on 6600 sticks. Can boot Win11 at 5400. Knew I have to sacrifice clock rate with 4 sticks. Finally can be stable at 4800 with aggressive latency parameters (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS etc.). On the future upgrade path from 64GB two stick, I'm unsure if I can get the exactly same 64GB sticks later. So might as well get 4 sticks now or none.
Having the same issue as well. Bought four; worrying in future no being able to procure
Depends on the bios. Some versions of bios wont allow it properly due to new updates for newer cpus for the MB. I found with mine, i had to manually set the ddr voktage up .2 volts when using XMP. Older bios, xmp will work without voltage change. Something to do with bios uogrades and cpu compatibilities.
What I love in the Windows ecosystem is a plenty option of customization and upgrades which is similar to car or motorcycle modification.
i got 4 DIMMs at EXPO to work, i run 4 Gskill Flare x5 5600 on a Asrock X670e Pro Rs , & i actually am using their first initial bios with the motherboard (1.03) & my OC is stable, when i update my bios to their recent versions (1.07) i cant get it to post, took me a day of testing to figure this out
Im currently running 4x16gb DDR5 5200mhz sticks of corsair dominator on the asus strix z690e on xmp3 without any issue (bios v2204 - december 2022) After install it booted straight to windows. No boot loops or crashes.
Do you recomend getting x2 48GB sticks for a total of 96GB?
That's better but it should be included in the mobo's stable memory list
AMD 7950x here with 128GB (4x32) G.Skill Flare X5 on ASRock x670e, I can occasionally boot with AMD EXPO for my ram but have experienced memory corruption (confirmed with memtest) so I disabled it. The extra speed would be nice but the capacity is essential for me.
Is there any fix to use 4 kits now on z790?
hello, i got 4 stick of 16Gb of fury renegade 6000cl32 and it working pretty fine. i think with 32Gb sticks it will not work
Hello everyone. I have a question, will the Asus ProArtz 790 board with the 13th generation processor still have a problem with four DDR5 RAM sticks and the XMP profile enabled? Or maybe this problem has been solved and I can go ahead and buy 4 x 16GB 5600MHz sticks and enable XMP? Best regards
Hello. I am wondering exactly the same thing after watching a video titled "128GB DDR5-6000 Kingston FURY BEAST Intel XMP Certified" in which they install 2 Kits of 64Gb Kingston RAM at 6,000MT/s without any apparent problem. I still can't say for sure that the ProArt Z790 has solved this RAM problem, but apparently it does.
Is this still an issue for 13900k? Excellent
B/c you can't read the documentation for 4 high capacity sticks?
it been a year since your clip released, z790 + 4 stick + xmp still wont boot, sadlly, I really need 128gb + xmp.
from what i have heard lately, it is about how 32GB+ sticks are DUAL channels which max out the bandwidth. anything else "overloads" it and really doesnt make much of a difference. i am completely new to the DDR5 quirks but it makes sense. i found that corsair currently sells a 4 stick kit BUT its only 8GB or 16GB but they are only single channel sticks. from how it was explained in a video, a single channel is writing or read only. dual channel can read and write at the same time. there seems to only be 4 channels for a 4 DIMM mobo. the only way that a lay man like me can think of is that mobo will have to have 8 channels for 4 DIMMs. however, i think that would impact the cpu and mobo development quite a bit. hope this might make a little sense.
PS- single channel, the ram chips are on ONE side of the stick. dual channel has ram chips on BOTH sides.
7700x w/ 4 x 16GB Corsair Vengeance 5600 running perfectly fine. Mobo is the Gigabyte x670 Aorus Elite AX on latest bios (December '22)
And what about 13-gen and Z790 motherboardd using 128Gb?
Whats the pc case behind you?...i like the matte black finish
Is this issue relevant for the new AMD motherboards?
As far i remember from the 12th gen cpu reviews, tt's not a matter of ram or either motherboards. It's the cpu that doesn't support 4 stick of memory in xmp mode
just built a system 13th gen asus proart z790 and unable to get four sticks at 6000 to work. Thanks for the info.
i agreed with all your comment, 4x DIMM won't work stable for long .. although you have pass all memory test doesn't mean you can pass with your daily work. for my case, i had to left it with 2x DIMM and set myself limit
I had no issues until today when booting up my system it simply didn’t power up! I removed the memory (G.Skill 4 16GB) sticks on my Asus Prime Z690-A Mobo and the CMOS battery. I installed them back after 5 minutes and the BIOS screen popped up, made adjustments mentioned above (XMP 1) and saved it and still an issue. The only way it will boot up properly to windows is by removing the memory sticks but one. I didn’t have this issue before and it ran beautifully with 64GB of ram until today.
I have 4 x 16 sticks of ddr5 6400 ram. It will post to windows with xmp, I can even play a game, for about 20 minutes, then crashes to desktop, could that be a ram issue or something else entirely? I did memtest86 with 4 sticks at 6400 with xmp and got errors in the later tests, took xmp off and set ram to 5600, 2 passes so far and no errors
What motherboard and CPU are you using?
tried running 4x 16GB @ 7200 on 13900K ... it will boot. But as soon as any serious load on the system it will crash. I think I will try to bump it down to 6800 or 7000MHz. It seems like it's almost there. It runs perfectly fine @ 7200 MHz with 2 sticks.
What's your board?
Good video but what's up with the frame rate of this video.
For some reason, I couldn’t change anything in my Gigabyte Bios.
But after I unplugged the battery for 20 seconds, with no power cable and turned on my PC with all 4 Ram blocks. It worked perfectly 🙂
4x16 6000-CL 36 and no issue here, and they are two diferentes GSKILL kits 2x16 Trident Zneo, and 2x16 FlareX5, justs first boot with neo ones, let the bios tranining to finish, and reboot with 4 slots populated, no issues.