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I disagree that TBW is the most important specification. Firstly because not many people will rewrte 33% of their capacity every day for drives of 500GB or more, for anything other than Chia mining (if you are mining chia then it is an important thing), and if you are, you will probably want to replace the drive for something faster long before yor rated TBW limit is reached. Secondly, the drives don't just magically stop working after the TBW limit is reached, just their warranty expires, and the probability of drive faliure increases with use. Hence, I would rather go with someone who I believe will actually honor their warranty (heard about it being a complicated process in caseof Seagate) than the TBW number they decide to slap on. I would not use some cheap ramless ssd as a boot drive on anything else than reviving an old laptop (like that Kingston A400, WD green, Crucial BX, or cheap Aliexpress drives), and also QLC as a boot drive seems like a bad idea as performance tanks suddenly after you fill your cache. Basically anything other seems like a good enough option that you will not see much difference, especially if it is NVME
At our studio (Blender, Photoshop, ZBrush, Substance), TBW is absolutely the most important specification. We upgraded 27 workstations with Samsung 970 Pros just a little over 2 years ago and half of our drives are already over or are nearly at their TBW limits. Everything Tech Notice says on the video is true for our use case.
@@skeletr Absolutely, but you are using them in a professional environment, in a specific use case that 99% of people are not using. Even if you were a RUclipsr that uses the same software as you are now using you would not use the drives that much. For your use case it maybe makes sense to look into using enterprise-grade high endurance write-intensive drives with at least 1DWPD (data written per day to entire disk capacity), possibly more, or higher capacity intel optane drives, but again, for 99% of the people most common ssd-s have more endurance than they will need for the entire lifetime of their computers.
@@skeletr At a studio, ofc you want the highest spec stuff possible. But normal users will never come close to their TBW max in more than 10 years... Only the really heavy users and they know what drives they need
@@skeletr Like you Leonardo M, I also work at a studio that uses things like the Adobe Suite, Blender, Maya, Nuke etc. I'm a vfx artist...and I consider myself a "normal" user. I've had to go remote (like many people in the VFX industry) in the last couple of years, and the amount of data I push thru my own system is completely insane...double the amount I would have if I was still in-office. And with everything from game development, indie filmmaking, friggin virtual production (mandalorian-style)...hell, even metaverse developers soon...bringing their work to their home desktop computers, the usage will exponentially grow. At some point, we will definitely need higher TBW's. Now definintely gamers and everyday users can ignore this spec sure...but I would say there's still plenty of people out there that need to know about this.
Actually, if we talked about performance the most important spec, is random read and write. I know you set the "best" performance metric to be longevity of the drive, but don't forget the random read and write speed as that is what determines the responsiveness or latency of the drive :)
great point. I was going to see if he covered gaming but he didn't. Considering most hd/ssd mfg's have 5 to 10 year warranties and data recovery is much easier (if that happens) for me im looking for the speed. Longevity does play a role but what is the application. Like tires. Michelin Sport cup 2r will barely last 6,000 miles but they are the best handling tire in the world compared to and economy tire with harder compound which will last you 70k miles but very low handling/grip. For me, its what they application is. For me i like the speed with decent longevity and a great warranty in the product.
I think the TBW is overstressed in this video as most users won't reach the limit even in 20 years. Excessive game players mostly read the drive and don't write much to it, video editors would need to create a lot of videos every single day to write several hundreds of GB every day. For most other applications like office or image editing with rather single digit GB written as average per day (if at all) an SSD will probably last 100 years in terms of TBW. So agree, IOPS can become more important as most applications read/write rather many small files instead of a single big one.
@@qwicxs Your comment feels out of place. Software usually isn't designed to fully utilized the faster ssds. Just look at the ps5 trailers if you think ssd speeds don't matter.
Finally someone that points out something that I have been telling other people. but there are a few points that are left out. latency that some drives offer, eg optane and over provisioning. most drives slow down alot when they are near the 80% capacity mark. how the drives does TRIM and use TBW also depends on the remaining space. doing OP of 10-15% extends the life ALOT. and U.2 SSD drives are not covered.
Thanks for adding detail. What is doing OP 10%-15%? I have Intel Optane as temp file As my OS drive died now (12 year old plextor M5S) currently looking at Team SSD. Feel so good to fully enjoy durable SSD till its end 😅
@@vitatreat9037 I have a couple of 4TB drives on my nas that serves as hot cache or hot data drives. My cache drive I set at 25% OP but my hot data drives are at 15% OP. I do about 200GB a day
I was actually looking at the T-Foce NVMe SSD just yesterday as an extra drive for when I retire my aging iMac and switch to windows full time. Thanks for the info on longevity. I'm pretty sure I'll pick up the 440 given it's very likely to outlive almost any other drive. Super useful info! Much respect.
I've been using SSDs for OS/office softwares/gaming since 2005 (Adata/Crucial/Plextor/Intel/Samsung) and they still run without any problems. I am looking for a 1TB M.2 SSD for my gaming laptop right now and it's good to learn from your video.
I have one of the first Samsung SSD's, it's the 840 Pro series and it's a 250GB capacity drive, I have set a 10% over provisioning, I am using it today for 9+ years and I've written 80TB written on the drive and the wear leveling count is now 76%... I think this might be interesting for people who are scared to get errors or other problems, take this from my experience you don't have to be scared at all and you'll have a new pc before you have to get a new drive.
Depends on use case. I destroyed a WD blue sata ssd used for cache acceleration in my nas with triple cam 4K video editing (because I foolishly selected an inappropriate drive), took three months to rebuild the corrupted raid as a result.
@@mbahmarijan789 yes of course for normal use, however I can safely say that I'm a power user so I have been using my ssd a bit harder than you'd normally see for office and games.
I have no idea how you've only written 80tb in total to the drive lol. My boot drive has over 200tbw over just the past 2 or 3 years and I'm just a gamer lol.
@@WyattOShea Ow that's pretty easy to explain, I only have my operating system running on my SSD and everything else such as documents, music, games etc I all have on separate drives. On a 256GB SSD there's only enough space to have the OS with the program files of all the software that I use regularly together and that's about it what I can use that drive for and that's okay because those files are the ones that I need most and fast access to to keep my system running smoothly forever without doing too much removing old files, I do that after a major OS update to keep the drive clean.
This is funny how different brands building SSDs using the same components making claims of ridiculously different TBW! Seagate with its Firecuda 530 is no exception - controller Phison 5018-E18 along with 176-layer Micron memory is very common SSD PCIe4 combination nowadays. Dozens of brands sell exactly the same SSDs (including Cardea Zero Z440, Kingston KC3000, etc). The only dfference is the BS numbers sold to consumers under those brands. The number of TBW is nothing but the memory endurance indication and the promise made by manufacturers to consider an RMA if things go South. And here comes to play the marketing game who makes the bolder assumption that an average consumer is not going to reach the dangerous wear level within the warranty period. The brand of SSD is irrelevant to the actual memory wear-out/endurance. E.g. 176L Micron is NOT going to be more durable under Seagate label than the same memory under Crucial label. Now look at TBW numbers for exactly the same memory claimed by Crucial vs Seagate vs T-Force: 1TB Crucial P5+ = 600 TBW - (I suppose you know that Crucial belongs to Micron and they know their own memory endurance exactly) 1TB Seagate 530 = 1275 TBW 1TB Cardea Zero Z440 = 1800 TBW ... I am not sure how TBW can be the "most important" parameter if it is simply made up by marketing departments...
Technically, you can make the same capacity drive made with the same memory have a higher endurance if you over-provision it more (add more memory modules but make them show lower capacity). That is commonly done with enterprise drives, though I doubt that that is the case here; it is more likely to be just a marketing trick, just as you said.
This is the most useful comment in here. Now I'm thinking the same applies to speed. I guess it's possible that two drives with identical memory and controller are rated at different speeds and yet perform exactly the same.
I bought 2, Sabrent rocket nvme's. 1 is a 1 terrabyte the second is a 2 terrabyte version. These are the blue version.tlc's. Loaded on a asus rog strix b550 f board. With the 5900x the speed is epic for doing music recording and producing.
The Team Group SSD is the same TBW as the FireCuda 520. But the FireCuda 520 has been out for close to 2 years. FireCuda's are super sweet as they even come with 3 year data recovery on top of all the other goodness. Good to see another major player giving WD/Samsung a run at the top end.
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For my OS/APPS drive I stick to a Samsung PRO 1TB and I over-provision 10%. There overall longevity and reliability is key just because its a drag setting up your system all over again. And for my active-data drive I stripe two cheaper SSD's (EVO) in RAID0, to get the best performance-to-price result. Data is stored on my Synology NAS with RAID6 and directly connected at 10GBe.
@@theTechNotice Thanks for this great video, it's indeed something I haven't payed attention to before! As someone who uses its PC for quite a few things I am unsure what way to go, maybe you have an idea? On one side it's for rendering (AE, maybe Cinema4D and Unreal Engine in the future) files with ~10-100GB, I am leaning toward a PCIE 4.0 SSD with 1 or 2TB. I tend to delete most files after uploading or sending them and therefore don't use too much of that space, maybe 300GB. Programs like Unreal Engine might benefit from having the archieve on a 4.0 or 3.0 as well I believe, so maybe 900GB, including potential cache folders. The current selected mainboard (ASUS ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming) supports 2 of them, so I would use a PCIE 3.0 SSD for both, the OS and gaming with 2TB. The archieve would be older "normal" SSDs.Does that make sense or is the 4.0 not fully utilized here? As the PCIE 4.0 seem almost double the speed of PCIE (which can't always be utilisied as far as I understood) I was wondering how much gaming would benefit from being on the PCIE 4.0 as well?
Other videos covering the 530 show this drive as the throughput leader for sustained writes. Headline specs is not real world. Do a 500gb write on any drive vs this 530 and it will loose. Scans channel did a torture test transferring off a 980 pro. The 980 Pro was the bottleneck when it overheated. Very telling how good this drive is. 530 also use 176 layer nand vs others using 96 layer. Its a monster. Seagate 530 2tb got my money. Great content.
One question remains: Can you trust the specs of the manufacturer?They could write anything. How do we know this is true? For the video: Perfect explanation, really & best time around black friday for this video 👍 I really enjoy watching your content 🤓👍
There are only so many manufactures of NAND flash chips, and also only so many manufacturers of controller chips, so many of these companies end up producing drives using similar or same components with similar specs. A lot of the drives (such as the Teamgroup Cardea C440 mentioned in this video) with marathon level endurance of 1800TBW per TB tend to use the Phison E16 controller along with 96 layer TLC NAND flash.
Be careful putting Optane into the comparison, it's in its own category so can't really be considered flash. Intel is still validating the endurance rating, the next revision will push over 100DWPD.
Thanks for this material as I am on the starting line to upgrade my workhorse. I would buy other products, but after this - I will start looking for those factors as well.
Wow! This is extremely new information! I have not heard about this in any of the 20 RUclips channels I have surfed. Now I know what SSD to purchase! Thank you so much, Tech Notice!
I love your videos. Thanks. Endurance ratings are as much marketing tools as they are indicators of likely longevity. Think car warrantees! In the U.S. a common car warranty is 5 years, 60, 000 miles (~96,600 km). In neither case is the warrantee a reliable indicator of likely product lifespan. It is, instead, a guess by the manufacturer. --- How many more people will buy our product if we offer xx percent more warrantee and how much more will it cost us to cover the additional warrantee claims? More than DWPW claims, I pay attention to company reputation, anecdotal evidence of reliability and design features (I scrupulously avoid QLC and tend to avoid cacheless). Then, I do what I can to extend the life of my SSD. ... I run "TRIM" regularly. I give heat an exit point. I format at most 90 percent of each drive - to reduce write amplification. I avoid leaving static data on working drives. (Hard drives are tailor made for storing static or infrequently accessed data-they are slow but cheap and data last figuratively forever in a powered down drive.).
Firecuda 520 2tb has 3600 TBW With 5000 mb/s read /write A little slower than the 530s but a much better price. Good price between performance/capacity and longevity Let's face it 5000 mb/s read and write isn't exactly "slow" by any stretch of the imagination either.
THANK YOU! I found this a VERY informative vid. You've a great way of explaining things in easy language. I've never used SSDs before but I thought I knew most everything I needed to know about them. I'm looking to make my 1st 'supercomputer' for vid editing somewhere in the next 6 months. I didn't know about the TB-writtren spec and how it worked. I'd have just gone for the 'default' Samsung 980/990 but will now look deeper into it when crunch time comes. For archive I have some tasty WD Gold and Ultrastar 18TB & 20TB HDDs which I'm very comfortable with for long term storage. I've had WD Gold drives for decades and they've never let me down. I have backups coming out of my ears so never a problem with lost files. Thanks again for this new insight into SSDs - cheers from Sydney Australia - SUBSCRIBED!!
*"the drive will start to have errors. the cells have been worn out..."* ?? The wording is confusing, because the SSD will simply prevent access to that cell after a certain number of writes. That's why you get WEAR LEVELING to spread the load around. You don't generally start getting errors after a certain amount of time, what actually happens is the SSD wears pretty evenly and then in a short period of time the amount of usable space drops off rapidly. So you should get a warning that the drive will soon become unusable.
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I think it's little more than just a rating offered by the manufacturer. Have you ever bought a set of tyres or a car battery? Ever noticed that there may be some quality difference,while it's mostly associated with the likeness of the manufacturer having to make good on part replacement vs marketing advantage by the infinitesimal number of people that would potentially care. So, how would you know how many times the nands were written? Is there any assurance on - or compensation by the manufacturer for data loss? Sure, various companies hold the patents on a wide variety of chip making progress and scale - there could be value in the rating of expected operations before fail. I would submit the temperature of the drive over its life is more significant than a theoretical number on hypothetical scenario. ...just an alternative viewpoint.
I have 4 Seagate Firecuda 530 (4TB each) in raid 0 in a OWC thunderbolt enclosure external. My Nuc has a (boot) 2TB Seagate Firecuda 530 in my NUC 12. Time is $$$.
For very high TBW I suggest the GIGABYTE AORUS Gen4 SSD 2TB. It has incredible 3.6 PB == 3600TB TBW, which also easily surpasses the Fire Cuda in this video which has 2.55PB. One of the highest you can get. It's already a bit older but still very fast PCIe 4 and is rated 5000/4400 R/W. So by far exceeding your PCIe 3 specs.
Well I have the WD Black SN850 1TB in my PC and the Samsung 980 Pro 1Tb in my new Dell XPS 15 - and I believe both are faster than the Firecuda...so if you are building a system and you arent interested in skimping and cheaping out go with the reliable brands and usually the larger the capacity, the faster the drive....
@@catminister1075 OK, mine is the 9570. It has two battery options but I am pretty sure only one NVMe slot. I am just about to buy an external enclosure so I better check.
@Poul Winther Knudsen if you are going in that direction look into An Orico USB-C enclosure with maybe a WD Black SN850 NVMe M.2 instead of spending up for a premade and probably slower read and writes. I'm all 10Gbe so network transfer speeds are critical.
@@catminister1075 Thanks, I am looking for a Thunderbolt enclosure. The only one I have found that can sustain the speeds is the Fledging Shell Thunder. Most others can do a small burst, then slow down due to poor heat dissipation.
Finally someone that EXPLAINES things I Can under stand and Tells the WHOLE truth about SSD's. Now My Question: My 3 year old WD 512GB M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD is a 80% capacity ans 59% full. Could be a lot of temp Files From Editing with DaVinci Resolve. So when is it time to Replace the SSD so I don't loose any thing. Also If I Clone It to a New M.2 SSD does that new M.2 SSD have full capacity and be my BOOT drive.
Just a quick remark: When having a bit more of budget compared to the firecuda drive and if the TBW is important: get a look at the intel datacenter drives (both NVME and U.2 drives): lifespan of those is in the petabytes. I personally own a "regular" SSD (not NVME but SATAIII) from intel: D3 S4510 which has an endurance of more than 10Petabytes if I am not mistaken). I would need to check the values for the NVME drives, but they are really worth a check. They are not as flashy as the prosumer drives, but they have plenty of things onboard to protect your data from loss (e.g. prevent corruption on sudden power loss, which can be important when you transfer very big files). Same applies for Samsung, Crucial, Western Digital and Micron SSD/NVME drives)
Two items: 1) @4:20 "...terabytes written is, I think, the most important spec of an SSD" I respectfully disagree. When the manufacturers released their SSDs, they could not know how many TBW their SSDs could endure. Why? It would take them years to find out. There is no way that they would delay the release of their SSDs for years. So the manufacturers pick numbers that are well below what their limited testing reveals. They picked numbers that their SSDs were sure to endure. In reality, you can easily expect 2x, 3x, or possibly 5x the TBW number written on the box. Also, by choosing a low TBW value, it gives the manufacturer an excuse to deny warranty claims. You hit the TBW value, and then, coincidentally, your SSD fails. But your specific failure has nothing to do with the TBW. Rather, the controller failed, or something similar. You are only 3 years into your 5 year warranty. But you ended your warranty early, based on the somewhat arbitrary TBW value assigned by the manufacturer. Case in point is Chia crypt-o processing. The Chia processing requires over 100GB of temp storage. So unless you have that much free RAM, you will be using an SSD for that temp space. One iteration of a Chia operation will write over 1TB of data to your temp drive. People, the world over, have been hammering away with their Chia processing, 24/7/365, for years. Yet, you would be hard pressed to find people complaining about wearing out their SSDs. 2) Not mentioned in this video is that the blazing speeds of the NVMe variety of SSDs is only for, perhaps, 10% of the drive's capacity. If you write, non-stop, enough gigabytes to an SSD, it will slow down. Depending on the model, that slowdown might be negligible, or the slowdown might fall below 30MB/s. Why does that happen? For the manufacturers to advertise 4000MB/s, or similar, they have to use the expensive variety of NAND flash cells (the NAND cells is where you data is actually stored on the drive). But to keep costs down, they use only a small portion of those fast NAND flash cells. Since few people ever write enough data, without rest, to fill the fast NAND flash cells, their NVMe drive always runs at top speed. When the drive is idle, it offloads the data in its fast NAND cells to its much slower NAND cells (that comprise the majority of its storage capacity). There are 4 types of NAND cells. From fastest (and most expensive) to slowest: -- SLC (single level cells) -- MLC (multi-level cells -- ie: duel level) -- TLC (tri-level cells) -- QLC (quad level cells) The vast majority of NVMe drives use SLC for cache (to where the data is initially written), and the rest of its chips are QLC. On those drives, if you exceed the drive's SLC cache, your drive will slow to a crawl. It will eventually speed up, after you give it time to offload the data in its SLC cache. There are data center / enterprise level SSDs that use 100% SLC NAND cells, and they cost 10x the price. So if you do work with huge files being written, for long periods of time, then choose your NVMe drive carefully. I recommend the following, high-end, consumer level drives: -- Samsung 980 Pro The above drive has been discontinued, and replaced with the 990 Pro. Note that in 2021, Samsung had put bad firmware on many drives. So if you purchase a 980 Pro, be sure to upgrade the firmware, with Samsung's Magician software. If you have the bad firmware, your drive will fail early, and when it fails, you will not be able to update the firmware. You must update the firmware before the drive fails. -- Samsung 990 Pro That drive is a higher performer than the 980 Pro. However: There have been reports that Samsung's Magician software is reporting that the drive's life expectancy goes downhill fast. It might be a false alarm. Or a firmware upgrade is needed. If it is a hardware issue, then you are out of luck. -- SK hynix Platinum P41 (only that model from that manufacturer) The above drive performs similarly to the above Samsung drives, and has no issues that I am aware of. None of the above drives will slow down (at least not by much), no matter how much data you write to them without rest. If your use is minimal, then you will probably not notice any performance differences among any NVMe drives. So you can save some $$ by purchasing an entry level NVMe drive. For typical day-to-day use, it will run as fast as any other higher-end drive (that is, perceptually speaking -- you will not notice any difference for routine computer use). When you save your Excel document, it will not matter which drive you have. When you watch youtube videos, it will not matter which drive you have. When you play music, it will not matter which drive you have. Etc. Lastly, for typical day-to-day, routine computer use, the TBW value is meaningless, because that drive will live long after your computer becomes obsolete.
I'm completely uneducated on this but I always thought they would have some automated scripts or software that would constantly write and delete ghost files until the drive dies. If that is a thing wouldn't it only take about 8-9 days to at least reach the tbw for the firecuda 4tb under full operation ?
It's probably overkill but I bought the firecuda 530 1tb for my ps5 a couple of weeks ago as it got knocked down in price. I heard it will serve me well in the long run in terms of endurance
Great content, this is probably what i needed now, as a creator tbh the software that I used often are probably not going to fully utilize the 7000 speed, that's why Im gonna pick the z440, also 7000 speed ssd are drawn more power and generate more heat anyway, also the price range is quite big between the two above, the z440 is 1/4 cheaper in my area
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The most important aspect of any drive is sustained reading/writing speed. Which every reviewer miss. Mostly they just read spec sheet. Yours is better video but you too missed it. Whats the point of having 5000 gb/s if just after few seconds speed has to drop to 100-200mb/s eange?
Just wanted to share, using tech power up you can see the TBW from lot of vendors. Also DRAM or DRAMless. NAND vendor is nice too. Also related spec. From that I learn Apacer AS2280Q4, Reletech P400 Pro. have similiar 1600+ TBW
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Hey there, GREAT video - thanks for sharing. Quick question that I hope you can help with....Just bought a 2021 Acer Nitro 5 AN517-54-77KG Gaming Laptop (Intel Core i7-11800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050Ti, 17.3" FHD 144Hz IPS Display, 16GB DDR4, 1TB NVMe SSD, Killer Wi-Fi 6) and have the ability to expand either to a 2.5 SSD or HDD. Which would you recommend is better for overall performance and streaming? I'm torn between adding another SSD, HDD or upgrading the NVMe SSD and adding another SSD/HDD.....so confused to which. Please help???
While I agree that TBW is extremely important, some manufacturers don't state it. On the other hand, I suspect that it isn't actually tested by the manufacturer but just a warranty value. Your 5yr drive with 600TBW only means your warranty will be voided with 600.1TBW even if you manage to do it in 3 years, disregarding what was actually wrong with the drive.
If you write a lot the files, like a software developer, or a db load, or a video content creator, you might consider the TBW, but if you are gaming, or just consuming media, speed might be more important. Producers might compromise on one and advertise it for a specific workload. This even simplifies the consumer's purchasing process. So labeling is not useless.
PCIe 3 has not been saturated by the biggest graphics cards, and now we have PCIe 4. When it comes to NVMe drives it depends on whether it is a SLC (single layer) or a much slower MLC drive.
Great Video @thetechnotice From your suggestion, would getting the fire cuda be the best if I'm using the ssd to access large files and opening them through a program. The files would never be moved or deleted but access through programs. I'm talking about maybe 20gb the most for about a couple of files. The rest be like 10gb and lower. Thanks!
This is useful information... except that all popular m.2 SSDs on the market (WD, Samsung, Crucial, etc.) are rated at the same 600TBW for 1TB Drive. The only exception seems to be the Sabrent Rocket 4 series rated at 1800TBW for 1TB (can't be found on their website product page🤔). However, my Sabrent Rocket 4 1TB on my dedicated gaming rig failed without warning after just 1 year and less than 300TBW. It's no longer recognized in the BIOS of 2 PCs plus 1 portable housing I have. I guess it's most important to choose a brand that is reputable, transparent about product spec, and provides a good warranty.
I really wanted the 530 and 520 but the high price point drove me to other brands. Maybe one day when video editing on me personal rig becomes my primary source of income
Which SSD are you using right now? 👇🤔
Kingston and samsung
I’m using a 512GB 970 Pro (600TBW). Funny, it has 2x better TBW, than the 980 Pro (300TBW).
Samsung PNY, Intel (Failed), Crucial X3
Anything with a DRAM buffer.
970 evo plus 1TB. Still a beast.
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if your cache requirement is not very big, consider using RAM drive, which is faster than even the fastest ssd and has no write limit.
what does that mean? can you explain further?
I disagree that TBW is the most important specification. Firstly because not many people will rewrte 33% of their capacity every day for drives of 500GB or more, for anything other than Chia mining (if you are mining chia then it is an important thing), and if you are, you will probably want to replace the drive for something faster long before yor rated TBW limit is reached. Secondly, the drives don't just magically stop working after the TBW limit is reached, just their warranty expires, and the probability of drive faliure increases with use. Hence, I would rather go with someone who I believe will actually honor their warranty (heard about it being a complicated process in caseof Seagate) than the TBW number they decide to slap on. I would not use some cheap ramless ssd as a boot drive on anything else than reviving an old laptop (like that Kingston A400, WD green, Crucial BX, or cheap Aliexpress drives), and also QLC as a boot drive seems like a bad idea as performance tanks suddenly after you fill your cache. Basically anything other seems like a good enough option that you will not see much difference, especially if it is NVME
At our studio (Blender, Photoshop, ZBrush, Substance), TBW is absolutely the most important specification. We upgraded 27 workstations with Samsung 970 Pros just a little over 2 years ago and half of our drives are already over or are nearly at their TBW limits. Everything Tech Notice says on the video is true for our use case.
@@skeletr Absolutely, but you are using them in a professional environment, in a specific use case that 99% of people are not using. Even if you were a RUclipsr that uses the same software as you are now using you would not use the drives that much. For your use case it maybe makes sense to look into using enterprise-grade high endurance write-intensive drives with at least 1DWPD (data written per day to entire disk capacity), possibly more, or higher capacity intel optane drives, but again, for 99% of the people most common ssd-s have more endurance than they will need for the entire lifetime of their computers.
@@skeletr At a studio, ofc you want the highest spec stuff possible. But normal users will never come close to their TBW max in more than 10 years... Only the really heavy users and they know what drives they need
Yeah, my intel 665p has had about 6tb writen to it, in 10 months. It has an endurance of 300tb. so at that rate it will last about 40years.
@@skeletr Like you Leonardo M, I also work at a studio that uses things like the Adobe Suite, Blender, Maya, Nuke etc. I'm a vfx artist...and I consider myself a "normal" user. I've had to go remote (like many people in the VFX industry) in the last couple of years, and the amount of data I push thru my own system is completely insane...double the amount I would have if I was still in-office. And with everything from game development, indie filmmaking, friggin virtual production (mandalorian-style)...hell, even metaverse developers soon...bringing their work to their home desktop computers, the usage will exponentially grow. At some point, we will definitely need higher TBW's. Now definintely gamers and everyday users can ignore this spec sure...but I would say there's still plenty of people out there that need to know about this.
Hi youtuber, an excellent your explanation to viewers. Many thank to you
Actually, if we talked about performance the most important spec, is random read and write. I know you set the "best" performance metric to be longevity of the drive, but don't forget the random read and write speed as that is what determines the responsiveness or latency of the drive :)
great point. I was going to see if he covered gaming but he didn't. Considering most hd/ssd mfg's have 5 to 10 year warranties and data recovery is much easier (if that happens) for me im looking for the speed. Longevity does play a role but what is the application. Like tires. Michelin Sport cup 2r will barely last 6,000 miles but they are the best handling tire in the world compared to and economy tire with harder compound which will last you 70k miles but very low handling/grip. For me, its what they application is. For me i like the speed with decent longevity and a great warranty in the product.
It's these fkrs holding us back.
u mean iops rating?
I think the TBW is overstressed in this video as most users won't reach the limit even in 20 years. Excessive game players mostly read the drive and don't write much to it, video editors would need to create a lot of videos every single day to write several hundreds of GB every day. For most other applications like office or image editing with rather single digit GB written as average per day (if at all) an SSD will probably last 100 years in terms of TBW. So agree, IOPS can become more important as most applications read/write rather many small files instead of a single big one.
@@qwicxs Your comment feels out of place. Software usually isn't designed to fully utilized the faster ssds. Just look at the ps5 trailers if you think ssd speeds don't matter.
I own a 1TB FireCuda 520 and it was certainly it's longevity that drove the decision
Finally someone that points out something that I have been telling other people. but there are a few points that are left out. latency that some drives offer, eg optane and over provisioning. most drives slow down alot when they are near the 80% capacity mark. how the drives does TRIM and use TBW also depends on the remaining space. doing OP of 10-15% extends the life ALOT. and U.2 SSD drives are not covered.
Thanks for adding detail. What is doing OP 10%-15%?
I have Intel Optane as temp file
As my OS drive died now (12 year old plextor M5S) currently looking at Team SSD. Feel so good to fully enjoy durable SSD till its end 😅
@@vitatreat9037 I have a couple of 4TB drives on my nas that serves as hot cache or hot data drives. My cache drive I set at 25% OP but my hot data drives are at 15% OP. I do about 200GB a day
@@vitatreat9037 over provisioning. 10% OP means formatting a 4TB drive as a 3.6TB or less.
Thanks for filling in the gap on RUclips for creator PC building. These reviews are golden!
True.
I was actually looking at the T-Foce NVMe SSD just yesterday as an extra drive for when I retire my aging iMac and switch to windows full time. Thanks for the info on longevity. I'm pretty sure I'll pick up the 440 given it's very likely to outlive almost any other drive. Super useful info! Much respect.
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I've been using SSDs for OS/office softwares/gaming since 2005 (Adata/Crucial/Plextor/Intel/Samsung) and they still run without any problems. I am looking for a 1TB M.2 SSD for my gaming laptop right now and it's good to learn from your video.
I have one of the first Samsung SSD's, it's the 840 Pro series and it's a 250GB capacity drive, I have set a 10% over provisioning, I am using it today for 9+ years and I've written 80TB written on the drive and the wear leveling count is now 76%... I think this might be interesting for people who are scared to get errors or other problems, take this from my experience you don't have to be scared at all and you'll have a new pc before you have to get a new drive.
Depends on use case. I destroyed a WD blue sata ssd used for cache acceleration in my nas with triple cam 4K video editing (because I foolishly selected an inappropriate drive), took three months to rebuild the corrupted raid as a result.
yes if your task most of the time is office and games
@@mbahmarijan789 yes of course for normal use, however I can safely say that I'm a power user so I have been using my ssd a bit harder than you'd normally see for office and games.
I have no idea how you've only written 80tb in total to the drive lol. My boot drive has over 200tbw over just the past 2 or 3 years and I'm just a gamer lol.
@@WyattOShea Ow that's pretty easy to explain, I only have my operating system running on my SSD and everything else such as documents, music, games etc I all have on separate drives. On a 256GB SSD there's only enough space to have the OS with the program files of all the software that I use regularly together and that's about it what I can use that drive for and that's okay because those files are the ones that I need most and fast access to to keep my system running smoothly forever without doing too much removing old files, I do that after a major OS update to keep the drive clean.
This is funny how different brands building SSDs using the same components making claims of ridiculously different TBW!
Seagate with its Firecuda 530 is no exception - controller Phison 5018-E18 along with 176-layer Micron memory is very common SSD PCIe4 combination nowadays. Dozens of brands sell exactly the same SSDs (including Cardea Zero Z440, Kingston KC3000, etc).
The only dfference is the BS numbers sold to consumers under those brands.
The number of TBW is nothing but the memory endurance indication and the promise made by manufacturers to consider an RMA if things go South. And here comes to play the marketing game who makes the bolder assumption that an average consumer is not going to reach the dangerous wear level within the warranty period.
The brand of SSD is irrelevant to the actual memory wear-out/endurance. E.g. 176L Micron is NOT going to be more durable under Seagate label than the same memory under Crucial label.
Now look at TBW numbers for exactly the same memory claimed by Crucial vs Seagate vs T-Force:
1TB Crucial P5+ = 600 TBW - (I suppose you know that Crucial belongs to Micron and they know their own memory endurance exactly)
1TB Seagate 530 = 1275 TBW
1TB Cardea Zero Z440 = 1800 TBW
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I am not sure how TBW can be the "most important" parameter if it is simply made up by marketing departments...
Technically, you can make the same capacity drive made with the same memory have a higher endurance if you over-provision it more (add more memory modules but make them show lower capacity). That is commonly done with enterprise drives, though I doubt that that is the case here; it is more likely to be just a marketing trick, just as you said.
This is the most useful comment in here. Now I'm thinking the same applies to speed. I guess it's possible that two drives with identical memory and controller are rated at different speeds and yet perform exactly the same.
I bought 2, Sabrent rocket nvme's. 1 is a 1 terrabyte the second is a 2 terrabyte version. These are the blue version.tlc's. Loaded on a asus rog strix b550 f board. With the 5900x the speed is epic for doing music recording and producing.
The Team Group SSD is the same TBW as the FireCuda 520. But the FireCuda 520 has been out for close to 2 years. FireCuda's are super sweet as they even come with 3 year data recovery on top of all the other goodness. Good to see another major player giving WD/Samsung a run at the top end.
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Enter PNY LX Ssd
Just picked up a 520!
wym "3 yr data recov ?
thank you so much. i had been watching many RUclips videos about ssd’s. no one explained ssd in this matter.
2 reasons why your videos are solid. 1 - you put things in perspective for people who edit; 2 - you are about the only "normal" review channel that has a solid soundtrack that makes use of my subwoofer!
And hes not about gaming. Filling in that creator spot.
For my OS/APPS drive I stick to a Samsung PRO 1TB and I over-provision 10%. There overall longevity and reliability is key just because its a drag setting up your system all over again. And for my active-data drive I stripe two cheaper SSD's (EVO) in RAID0, to get the best performance-to-price result. Data is stored on my Synology NAS with RAID6 and directly connected at 10GBe.
You're highly underrated, thanks for putting so much effort into your videos and keep up the good work :)
It's one of the most important video on SSDs... Thank you
Dual 980 pro was the best choise i made
Just in time before a new build, thank you!
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@@theTechNotice Thanks for this great video, it's indeed something I haven't payed attention to before!
As someone who uses its PC for quite a few things I am unsure what way to go, maybe you have an idea?
On one side it's for rendering (AE, maybe Cinema4D and Unreal Engine in the future) files with ~10-100GB, I am leaning toward a PCIE 4.0 SSD with 1 or 2TB. I tend to delete most files after uploading or sending them and therefore don't use too much of that space, maybe 300GB. Programs like Unreal Engine might benefit from having the archieve on a 4.0 or 3.0 as well I believe, so maybe 900GB, including potential cache folders.
The current selected mainboard (ASUS ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming) supports 2 of them, so I would use a PCIE 3.0 SSD for both, the OS and gaming with 2TB.
The archieve would be older "normal" SSDs.Does that make sense or is the 4.0 not fully utilized here?
As the PCIE 4.0 seem almost double the speed of PCIE (which can't always be utilisied as far as I understood) I was wondering how much gaming would benefit from being on the PCIE 4.0 as well?
Yeah, I'd go for 1 ssd for the OS and other for the project/cache/other drive.
And regards gaming pcie 3 vs 4 no difference really.
Other videos covering the 530 show this drive as the throughput leader for sustained writes. Headline specs is not real world. Do a 500gb write on any drive vs this 530 and it will loose. Scans channel did a torture test transferring off a 980 pro. The 980 Pro was the bottleneck when it overheated. Very telling how good this drive is. 530 also use 176 layer nand vs others using 96 layer. Its a monster. Seagate 530 2tb got my money. Great content.
Awesome video! I ended im getting the SK Hynix P31 2tb. Its a gen3 nvme but it suits my needs enough
One question remains: Can you trust the specs of the manufacturer?They could write anything. How do we know this is true?
For the video: Perfect explanation, really & best time around black friday for this video 👍 I really enjoy watching your content 🤓👍
There are only so many manufactures of NAND flash chips, and also only so many manufacturers of controller chips, so many of these companies end up producing drives using similar or same components with similar specs. A lot of the drives (such as the Teamgroup Cardea C440 mentioned in this video) with marathon level endurance of 1800TBW per TB tend to use the Phison E16 controller along with 96 layer TLC NAND flash.
Did not know this. Thanks for the education. 2 time PC builder.
Thank you so much tech notice! I didinnt know this before, im building a pc right now and it helps me alot to choose the right SSD
Be careful putting Optane into the comparison, it's in its own category so can't really be considered flash. Intel is still validating the endurance rating, the next revision will push over 100DWPD.
Too small a capacity.
@@maxhughes5687 capacity is enough for the use case, it's performance, latency and endurance focused.
NAND handles the capacity requirements.
Thanks for this material as I am on the starting line to upgrade my workhorse. I would buy other products, but after this - I will start looking for those factors as well.
Wow! This is extremely new information! I have not heard about this in any of the 20 RUclips channels I have surfed. Now I know what SSD to purchase! Thank you so much, Tech Notice!
You're most welcome!
I think this is one of the most honest review I've seen in a while
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Man I love these Creator focused videos.
what a freakin amazing video!
i got Firecuda 530 1TB for my PS5!
thank you sir!
I love your videos. Thanks.
Endurance ratings are as much marketing tools as they are indicators of likely longevity. Think car warrantees! In the U.S. a common car warranty is 5 years, 60, 000 miles (~96,600 km). In neither case is the warrantee a reliable indicator of likely product lifespan. It is, instead, a guess by the manufacturer. --- How many more people will buy our product if we offer xx percent more warrantee and how much more will it cost us to cover the additional warrantee claims?
More than DWPW claims, I pay attention to company reputation, anecdotal evidence of reliability and design features (I scrupulously avoid QLC and tend to avoid cacheless). Then, I do what I can to extend the life of my SSD. ... I run "TRIM" regularly. I give heat an exit point. I format at most 90 percent of each drive - to reduce write amplification. I avoid leaving static data on working drives. (Hard drives are tailor made for storing static or infrequently accessed data-they are slow but cheap and data last figuratively forever in a powered down drive.).
Very well produced. Surprised at your sub count, your content seems very well made and I hope you see more and more success, I'll see you at 10mil
I'm very glad that I saw this video before buying SSDs.
Firecuda 520 2tb has 3600 TBW
With 5000 mb/s read /write
A little slower than the 530s but a much better price. Good price between performance/capacity and longevity
Let's face it 5000 mb/s read and write isn't exactly "slow" by any stretch of the imagination either.
THANK YOU! I found this a VERY informative vid. You've a great way of explaining things in easy language. I've never used SSDs before but I thought I knew most everything I needed to know about them. I'm looking to make my 1st 'supercomputer' for vid editing somewhere in the next 6 months. I didn't know about the TB-writtren spec and how it worked. I'd have just gone for the 'default' Samsung 980/990 but will now look deeper into it when crunch time comes. For archive I have some tasty WD Gold and Ultrastar 18TB & 20TB HDDs which I'm very comfortable with for long term storage. I've had WD Gold drives for decades and they've never let me down. I have backups coming out of my ears so never a problem with lost files. Thanks again for this new insight into SSDs - cheers from Sydney Australia - SUBSCRIBED!!
*"the drive will start to have errors. the cells have been worn out..."*
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The wording is confusing, because the SSD will simply prevent access to that cell after a certain number of writes. That's why you get WEAR LEVELING to spread the load around. You don't generally start getting errors after a certain amount of time, what actually happens is the SSD wears pretty evenly and then in a short period of time the amount of usable space drops off rapidly. So you should get a warning that the drive will soon become unusable.
Brilliant - that is hands down the best video I've seen on a proper setup. Great work...
Nice review again, I have been using Segate Firecuda 520 and the TBW is insane too.
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Wow really good video. I didn't know about this, I will definitely make this my most important factor for purchasing pcie drives
Im from the time were we in school had the first computers. So some did pick lessons in hightex typewriting. It was all it did. So i did not try it.
Many years, 15y i was forced to buy a pc. Did not know how to turn it on. But did find out.
Now, 45years later, im updating my pc. First time ever looking at the motherboard, Ram, ssd, so on. just ordrede 2 ssd and 32gb ram.
I make fishing videos, and pc got maxed out.
So lol glad to follows you geeks. Well, im one too
Much thanks I didn't know that such good options existed.
I think it's little more than just a rating offered by the manufacturer.
Have you ever bought a set of tyres or a car battery? Ever noticed that there may be some quality difference,while it's mostly associated with the likeness of the manufacturer having to make good on part replacement vs marketing advantage by the infinitesimal number of people that would potentially care.
So, how would you know how many times the nands were written? Is there any assurance on - or compensation by the manufacturer for data loss?
Sure, various companies hold the patents on a wide variety of chip making progress and scale - there could be value in the rating of expected operations before fail.
I would submit the temperature of the drive over its life is more significant than a theoretical number on hypothetical scenario. ...just an alternative viewpoint.
I have 4 Seagate Firecuda 530 (4TB each) in raid 0 in a OWC thunderbolt enclosure external. My Nuc has a (boot) 2TB Seagate Firecuda 530 in my NUC 12. Time is $$$.
Woah didn't knew any of that😯Thanks Lauri for the great info 🥰 really appreciate it 👏😊❤️
You're most welcome!
Great explanation starting at 3:30 I really learned something!
Very good. Going to use what I have. Thanks.
Seagate Firecuda 530 4tb is a really good buy. Highly recommended. The 5.1PB write rating is pretty decent
Pretty decent to say the least 😉
@@theTechNotice I just brought one for my ps5 a month ago, so far, so good.
I have 2x WD SN850. Bought them before the Seagate came out. But I bought a NAS you recommended and I am really happy with it.
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For very high TBW I suggest the GIGABYTE AORUS Gen4 SSD 2TB. It has incredible 3.6 PB == 3600TB TBW, which also easily surpasses the Fire Cuda in this video which has 2.55PB. One of the highest you can get. It's already a bit older but still very fast PCIe 4 and is rated 5000/4400 R/W. So by far exceeding your PCIe 3 specs.
Agreed
I was actually surprised he did not mention this one.
@@mirracze Look like a soft promotion video from Seagate. But anyway, I am sold and want to buy one if price looks good to me.
this is an open eye thing.. i didn't know...though you published this video in 2022 and got to watch it in 2024.
Just getting started for my new build and this has been very informative, thanks - subbed! ;)
Sn550. No regrets. Will get another Nvme like SN750 or SN850. My asrock gaming phantom 4 can support two Nvme.
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Well I have the WD Black SN850 1TB in my PC and the Samsung 980 Pro 1Tb in my new Dell XPS 15 - and I believe both are faster than the Firecuda...so if you are building a system and you arent interested in skimping and cheaping out go with the reliable brands and usually the larger the capacity, the faster the drive....
How does your XPS take two drives? Is is the small battery version?
@Poul Winther Knudsen it's the XPS 15 9500. There are 2 NVMe slots. I wasn't aware of any battery options, small or large.
@@catminister1075 OK, mine is the 9570. It has two battery options but I am pretty sure only one NVMe slot. I am just about to buy an external enclosure so I better check.
@Poul Winther Knudsen if you are going in that direction look into An Orico USB-C enclosure with maybe a WD Black SN850 NVMe M.2 instead of spending up for a premade and probably slower read and writes. I'm all 10Gbe so network transfer speeds are critical.
@@catminister1075 Thanks, I am looking for a Thunderbolt enclosure. The only one I have found that can sustain the speeds is the Fledging Shell Thunder. Most others can do a small burst, then slow down due to poor heat dissipation.
If the Seagate is as reliable as their old HDDs were, I wouldn't trust them with my data
I don’t see why not. Barracudas and the hybrid Firecudas outlast WD and Toshiba drives in my experience.
@@akashramdial2240 I meant mechanical HDD, back in the day, they were not reliance at all
Agree. My Seagate SSHD only last for 2 years, and WD green last till today.
Gold
I've had good reliability from Seagate
thanks for the tips! brings a whole new light into searching nvme ssd specs or any ssds
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Finally someone that EXPLAINES things I Can under stand and Tells the WHOLE truth about SSD's. Now My Question: My 3 year old WD 512GB M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD is a 80% capacity ans 59% full. Could be a lot of temp Files From Editing with DaVinci Resolve. So when is it time to Replace the SSD so I don't loose any thing. Also If I Clone It to a New M.2 SSD does that new M.2 SSD have full capacity and be my BOOT drive.
Thats very informative!
Thank you so much!
Thank you for the Cardea info, I would have never picked one up with so many Samsungs around lol.
Just a quick remark: When having a bit more of budget compared to the firecuda drive and if the TBW is important: get a look at the intel datacenter drives (both NVME and U.2 drives): lifespan of those is in the petabytes. I personally own a "regular" SSD (not NVME but SATAIII) from intel: D3 S4510 which has an endurance of more than 10Petabytes if I am not mistaken). I would need to check the values for the NVME drives, but they are really worth a check. They are not as flashy as the prosumer drives, but they have plenty of things onboard to protect your data from loss (e.g. prevent corruption on sudden power loss, which can be important when you transfer very big files). Same applies for Samsung, Crucial, Western Digital and Micron SSD/NVME drives)
It isn't going to be 5 years before I want new tech drives.
love you for teaching us with such useful informations💗💓💖
This reallynhelp me a lot!!
Thank you!!
Two items:
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@4:20 "...terabytes written is, I think, the most important spec of an SSD"
I respectfully disagree.
When the manufacturers released their SSDs, they could not know how many TBW their SSDs could endure. Why?
It would take them years to find out. There is no way that they would delay the release of their SSDs for years.
So the manufacturers pick numbers that are well below what their limited testing reveals. They picked numbers that their SSDs were sure to endure.
In reality, you can easily expect 2x, 3x, or possibly 5x the TBW number written on the box.
Also, by choosing a low TBW value, it gives the manufacturer an excuse to deny warranty claims.
You hit the TBW value, and then, coincidentally, your SSD fails. But your specific failure has nothing to do with the TBW. Rather, the controller failed, or something similar. You are only 3 years into your 5 year warranty. But you ended your warranty early, based on the somewhat arbitrary TBW value assigned by the manufacturer.
Case in point is Chia crypt-o processing.
The Chia processing requires over 100GB of temp storage. So unless you have that much free RAM, you will be using an SSD for that temp space. One iteration of a Chia operation will write over 1TB of data to your temp drive. People, the world over, have been hammering away with their Chia processing, 24/7/365, for years. Yet, you would be hard pressed to find people complaining about wearing out their SSDs.
2)
Not mentioned in this video is that the blazing speeds of the NVMe variety of SSDs is only for, perhaps, 10% of the drive's capacity.
If you write, non-stop, enough gigabytes to an SSD, it will slow down. Depending on the model, that slowdown might be negligible, or the slowdown might fall below 30MB/s.
Why does that happen?
For the manufacturers to advertise 4000MB/s, or similar, they have to use the expensive variety of NAND flash cells (the NAND cells is where you data is actually stored on the drive).
But to keep costs down, they use only a small portion of those fast NAND flash cells.
Since few people ever write enough data, without rest, to fill the fast NAND flash cells, their NVMe drive always runs at top speed.
When the drive is idle, it offloads the data in its fast NAND cells to its much slower NAND cells (that comprise the majority of its storage capacity).
There are 4 types of NAND cells.
From fastest (and most expensive) to slowest:
-- SLC (single level cells)
-- MLC (multi-level cells -- ie: duel level)
-- TLC (tri-level cells)
-- QLC (quad level cells)
The vast majority of NVMe drives use SLC for cache (to where the data is initially written), and the rest of its chips are QLC.
On those drives, if you exceed the drive's SLC cache, your drive will slow to a crawl. It will eventually speed up, after you give it time to offload the data in its SLC cache.
There are data center / enterprise level SSDs that use 100% SLC NAND cells, and they cost 10x the price.
So if you do work with huge files being written, for long periods of time, then choose your NVMe drive carefully.
I recommend the following, high-end, consumer level drives:
-- Samsung 980 Pro
The above drive has been discontinued, and replaced with the 990 Pro.
Note that in 2021, Samsung had put bad firmware on many drives. So if you purchase a 980 Pro, be sure to upgrade the firmware, with Samsung's Magician software. If you have the bad firmware, your drive will fail early, and when it fails, you will not be able to update the firmware. You must update the firmware before the drive fails.
-- Samsung 990 Pro
That drive is a higher performer than the 980 Pro. However:
There have been reports that Samsung's Magician software is reporting that the drive's life expectancy goes downhill fast. It might be a false alarm. Or a firmware upgrade is needed. If it is a hardware issue, then you are out of luck.
-- SK hynix Platinum P41 (only that model from that manufacturer)
The above drive performs similarly to the above Samsung drives, and has no issues that I am aware of.
None of the above drives will slow down (at least not by much), no matter how much data you write to them without rest.
If your use is minimal, then you will probably not notice any performance differences among any NVMe drives. So you can save some $$ by purchasing an entry level NVMe drive. For typical day-to-day use, it will run as fast as any other higher-end drive (that is, perceptually speaking -- you will not notice any difference for routine computer use). When you save your Excel document, it will not matter which drive you have. When you watch youtube videos, it will not matter which drive you have. When you play music, it will not matter which drive you have. Etc.
Lastly, for typical day-to-day, routine computer use, the TBW value is meaningless, because that drive will live long after your computer becomes obsolete.
I'm completely uneducated on this but I always thought they would have some automated scripts or software that would constantly write and delete ghost files until the drive dies. If that is a thing wouldn't it only take about 8-9 days to at least reach the tbw for the firecuda 4tb under full operation ?
It's probably overkill but I bought the firecuda 530 1tb for my ps5 a couple of weeks ago as it got knocked down in price. I heard it will serve me well in the long run in terms of endurance
Great content, this is probably what i needed now, as a creator tbh the software that I used often are probably not going to fully utilize the 7000 speed, that's why Im gonna pick the z440, also 7000 speed ssd are drawn more power and generate more heat anyway, also the price range is quite big between the two above, the z440 is 1/4 cheaper in my area
the way you present sometimes sounds cocky but the information you deliver is massively useful and top notch of all the tech channel i've seen before, big kudos! worth subscribing! i wish to hit like button 100 times but youtube only allows 1!
Aww, thanks dude! 😊
The most important aspect of any drive is sustained reading/writing speed. Which every reviewer miss. Mostly they just read spec sheet. Yours is better video but you too missed it.
Whats the point of having 5000 gb/s if just after few seconds speed has to drop to 100-200mb/s eange?
Just wanted to share, using tech power up you can see the TBW from lot of vendors. Also DRAM or DRAMless. NAND vendor is nice too. Also related spec. From that I learn Apacer AS2280Q4, Reletech P400 Pro. have similiar 1600+ TBW
love your explanation. Although I didn't hear any mention of DRAM cache etc.
Firstly, a very big THANK, to you, sir, for your excellent and most reliable help and great insights for the important fact to be taken seriously in consideration before purchasing SSD´s for our new computer build! Wishing you all the best and I am now a new subscriber and of course giving you all thumbs up! Please keep on helping us with your very good and fine facts and insights when it comes to computing! Best regards from Sweden!
thanks for the SUB! :)
Great tips and explanations!
don't forget the wear levelling function which prevents the sane address location from being written to frequently.
If you are looking for high TBW, look for server drives. Server hardware is not marketing, but it is expensive.
Learned a lot. Thanks 😊
Hey there, GREAT video - thanks for sharing. Quick question that I hope
you can help with....Just bought a 2021 Acer Nitro 5 AN517-54-77KG
Gaming Laptop (Intel Core i7-11800H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050Ti, 17.3"
FHD 144Hz IPS Display, 16GB DDR4, 1TB NVMe SSD, Killer Wi-Fi 6) and have
the ability to expand either to a 2.5 SSD or HDD. Which would you
recommend is better for overall performance and streaming? I'm torn
between adding another SSD, HDD or upgrading the NVMe SSD and adding
another SSD/HDD.....so confused to which. Please help???
Hey, i was about to buy a Gigabyte Aorus Gen4 7000s, do you think it's a good purchase overall, or should i go for the Firecuda 530 instead?
While I agree that TBW is extremely important, some manufacturers don't state it. On the other hand, I suspect that it isn't actually tested by the manufacturer but just a warranty value. Your 5yr drive with 600TBW only means your warranty will be voided with 600.1TBW even if you manage to do it in 3 years, disregarding what was actually wrong with the drive.
I just bought a new one yesterday , good price 500gb 30 eu. ADATA LEGEND 750 , TBW 600 TB.
If you write a lot the files, like a software developer, or a db load, or a video content creator, you might consider the TBW, but if you are gaming, or just consuming media, speed might be more important. Producers might compromise on one and advertise it for a specific workload. This even simplifies the consumer's purchasing process. So labeling is not useless.
Yes, very much like that indeed.
PCIe 3 has not been saturated by the biggest graphics cards, and now we have PCIe 4. When it comes to NVMe drives it depends on whether it is a SLC (single layer) or a much slower MLC drive.
Great review. Can you gonna do a video with the firecuda’s and others with 8k video scrubbing and complex post effects? raid0?
excellent explanation👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great Video @thetechnotice From your suggestion, would getting the fire cuda be the best if I'm using the ssd to access large files and opening them through a program. The files would never be moved or deleted but access through programs. I'm talking about maybe 20gb the most for about a couple of files. The rest be like 10gb and lower. Thanks!
Well presented, and therefore shared.
This is useful information... except that all popular m.2 SSDs on the market (WD, Samsung, Crucial, etc.) are rated at the same 600TBW for 1TB Drive. The only exception seems to be the Sabrent Rocket 4 series rated at 1800TBW for 1TB (can't be found on their website product page🤔). However, my Sabrent Rocket 4 1TB on my dedicated gaming rig failed without warning after just 1 year and less than 300TBW. It's no longer recognized in the BIOS of 2 PCs plus 1 portable housing I have. I guess it's most important to choose a brand that is reputable, transparent about product spec, and provides a good warranty.
Bought Kingstone KC3000 2 TB Costs Only 150$. The Best Perofmance/TBW Ratio. 1600 TBW With 6800 Write tested Speeds.
This was brilliant!
I really wanted the 530 and 520 but the high price point drove me to other brands. Maybe one day when video editing on me personal rig becomes my primary source of income
Best content ever. Thanks
Thanks for your valuable information😃👍
have you looked at the new Kingston FURY Renegade SSD heard some pretty good things about it
so, which one looses the most performance when getting hot? Need some testing, they all look good on paper.
Great video. Just a suggestion. Include IOPS in your next NVME review.
Good advises but you missed the most important characteristic of all: The memory transistor/cell level (single, dual, quad).
It's low q depth 4k random reads I think needs the biggest performance increase, and where it's most noticable.
Nice Tutorio , thanks for sharing ~
Samsung 970 PRO 1TB. Provided with 5 years warranty and 1,200 TBW.
Thanks for the information. I've been looking for a Gen 4 NVME.