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- The new T700 Gen 5 drive from Crucial is absolutely insane! Up to 12,400 MB/s performance... but there are some things you need to configure to get full speed!
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I finally finished my first pc earlier today thanks to you after many months collecting parts and watching and rewatching videos I finally started it up and it works! Thank you it was a long time coming foe me and I finally did it
Congrats! Hope you get good mileage out of it.
Now it is time to get into jayz2cents overclocking videos; he is personally enthusiastic on that topic. Keep in mind that as temperatures and voltages go up, hardware life goes down. As manufacturers are not building silicon to only survive a year or two, you then ask if you want a computer that lasts 10 years to begin with or want it some small fraction faster in performance.
Love to see these posts. I just made a post on my FB as I saw the anniversary of my first PC build come up... It was literally the beginning of everything for me. I built it cuz I wanted to try out PC gaming. but what it did, was led me down a rabbit hole that ended up seeing me go back to university for CS and begin working at a company called 45Drives - 6 years later and I have just been promoted to their Chief Architect. Life is wild, and it all started from that first gaming PC build.
As M2 NVMe drives evolve we NEED better motherboard layouts especially since GPUs are taking up more ane space. We need to ensure ability to properly cool or apply heatsinks. Drivers such as the T700 from Crucial and others state they will throttle read/write speeds as the temps get higher.
Going to EDSFF might help with that. Maybe by replacing some AIC slots with E3 ones.
yeah something that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, I really don't want to spend a thousand bucks for a motherboard
no we dont. we had sli systems before, even quad sli. all is fine.
@@Zfast4y0u he's talking about the DESIGN of motherboards, did you see how the graphics card was in the way?,,,and also boards that support both
@@dbunik44yesh, but you can only fit so much into a rectangle of given size, seeing as enthusiasts demand space for cable management, room to see the pretty lights, non-gigantic form factor cases....
They are eventually gonna have to make a case with built in fan mounts directly over the Motherboard. If you push DDR5 to 8000 and beyond cranking that Voltage you need to put a fan on the ram sticks and now the SSDs are gonna require a fan too. Plus a 14 or 15900KS plus a 5090. Man, We really are gonna be using mini nuclear reactors very soon.
we need updated cases with fan mounts perfect for SSDs and Ram air flow
Yeah, we need some good 3rd party solutions for retrofitting current motherboard heatsinks. Current mobo designs suck because the NVMes are all trapped under the GPU or CPU cooler. Current NVMe coolers and heatsinks are too tall and the included mobo heatsinks are too anemic. There's gotta be a solution to this though. Even if it's just a flattened heatpipe stuck to existing heatsinks with thermal pads, as long as it is shaped to bend around the GPU or extend in a direction where it can get some airflow it's gonna make a huge difference. Overall I don't think cases need more fans or anything. It's just that smaller component placement has been neglected because they weren't this hot before. In the big picture it's only a difference of 5-10 watts.
The mesh versions of the Fractal North already ship with a separate fan bracket in the same position as described.
😂😂😂😂😂 Can you imagine mini nuclear reactors with an entire separate box for coolant, just to use a PC. 😂🤡
realize almost EVERYTHING with PCs and system building has evolved but what about cases? they're pretty much still basically the same since the beginning of home computing. Seriously, since the ATX revolution (yeah I remember the old xt and 286 days, yikes) what's changed other than some exquisite boutique cases? I can't afford 4,000 dollars for a case.. so..
If you have a twin or tri-axial GPU above the M.2 heatplate, having your GPU fans set at a non-0 RPM idle state will help with the cooling greatly. Some airflow is better than no air flow.
Keep killing it Jay! I have this exact drive on the primary PCIE GEN 5 slot on an ASUS ROG x670e-e mobo. I absolutely love it, but with native (very beefy) passive heat sync, I get theoretical max speeds (give or take 5 MB a second) and the drive never tops 45/50 degrees.
I speculate this to the passive heat sync on the m2.1 slot, which is super beefy and has a metal pipe directly exposed to the airflow.
TL;DR, you may want to keep testing. Those temps are pretty high.
@ 2:43 I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but, right before the random noise with Jay asking what happened, there is some random video issues on one or two frames. Probably nothing, just saw it on first viewing...
Good video in general. Glad to see drives always improving, someone out there probably always has a use case for more speed.
I noticed that. Maybe something blew, a brownout or an lightning strike nearby?
Probably just ghosts
Hey Jay, not related to the video but I love the new test bench station. I watched your other video where you showed it. But seeing it in use is a different story. Looks great! I hope you can change the light on top of it because it really changes the look of your whole video, burns your face some with such direct light, and probably gets really warm by your face while filming.
Needed a little edit around 8 mins. It's fun to see how y'all work together though. Keep on truckin' Jay and Phil!
Suddenly the corsair meme M. 2 watercooler start to make sense
if your on a sata ssd and don't care why would you upgrade to a nvme gen 5 drive now?🤔
@@raven4k998 for gen 5,nothing. But you can see slight boost with gen 3-4 for reasonable prices.
Also M2 cards don't need cables etc so they make your system "cleaner", that is if you have the M2 slots for it.
Would love to see drives improve on the random read/write queue depth 1 results (from everything I've read over the years apparently those are responsible for how snappy the system feels). So assuming I'm not wrong getting those speeds higher would make the whole system feel quicker but we've been stuck around 80mb/s for many years now it would seem as even my nvme 3.0 drives cap out not much under those speeds. I wonder why those haven't been improved like it is to do with limitations or what?.
the faster it is, the lesser improvement it will be, so going from HDD to SSD and NVME were biggest jumps, from gen to gen... you mostly will see improvement in moving files, but that also has it limits since windows has slow file access time, that's why linux and mac are way quicker with file access
and those kinds of speeds don't matter in gaming, loading might improve by 1% from going gen 3 to gen 4, but literally nothing from gen 4 to gen 5, and gen 5 have heating problems and they slow down to SSD speeds when they do overheat, so you need additional cooler for nvme drive to keep decent speeds
Optane is supposed to be better at this than regular SSD's that use flash. A bunch of new kinds of memory are under development to fill that niche again.
Fair enough and already knew about optane but never really knew the reason why the random read/write performance was always so poor on all drives that weren't either optane or enterprise grade.@@whyjay9959
Yep - if you want low latency and high random performance at low queue depth, you want a P5800X Optane drive. That is the pinnacle of low latency high IOPS. I mean you can get away with a P4800X or 900P/905P but they are first generation so the random performance is lower as well as being PCIE gen 3 limited while the P5800X is gen 4.
(yes I am a big Optane fan - Unfortunately, I only have a P1600X 58GB and a couple 16GB 'Optane Memory Module's They are all just NVME drives, even the 16GB 'cache drive'. There are also the Optane DIMMs - but those are server only.
Haha already knew about those drives too but man are they expensive. Would be nice if some day that tech trickled down to consumer drives so we didn't have to pay insane prices. If I was rich though I'd have an all optane system just because I could 😂@@cracklingice
That board also ships with an active cooler for the Gen5 x4 slot above the GPU. You can use the passive plate or the active (fan) heatsink. Primary Gen5 SSD slots will be above the first PCIe slot (typically where GPUs sit). This eliminates latency from retimers and gives ample space for larger heatsink designs.
Jay has some of the most entertaining videos when playbacking at 0.25 speed. It's a good chuckle every time. Definitely recommend doing it on an up-close shot of Jay's face.
Those water cooled ssd blocks are looking better every day. It's time to start incorporating them into custom loop builds.
Agree. I cooled my primary Gen 4 SSD after the first one failed a few weeks in (likely a fluke - it was replaced free of cost) with a Corsair block and I can't get it above 50C even if I try. It was pretty easy to add in my loop, put it in between the GPU and CPU.
"A metal copper plate" Jay really has a way with words
Instead of a plastic, plastic plate of course.
The look in Jay's eyes when he's talking about wanting to replace the drives in his system is priceless.
Having faster drives is great.
Having PCIe adapter cards to house 4 NVME drives is great.
Not having enough physical space on the motherboard or enough PCIe lanes to supply 4 lanes per drive sux
Larger drives usually are faster since they have more chips to write to in parallel. They usually also have more TBW lifespan
From my experience Jay, the larger the drive, the faster it gets. Im surprised it stayed the same.
Yep exactly. Larger drives have more chips --> which can be access parallel. So it makes absolute sense, that larger drives are usually faster.
I have a small Noctua fan pointing very close to my NVME Gen 4 drive. always runs pretty cool even under load. Noctua NF-A6x25 PWM, Premium Quiet Fan, 4-Pin (60mm)
I found the (often criticised) double side fan mount on the side mesh panel of the Fractal North case is really handy for blowing in cool air over the nvme slots. Fractal marketed it for cooling the GPU or CPU, but it definitely works to cool the lower half of the motherboard.
Jay posted a video-rant about how we shouldn't really buy expensive GPUs and we were groomed for it.
As someone with a cheap, old pc and run of the mill SSD (WD Green) I tell you, if you can get something slightly better than mine or any nvme drive (mine is sata) you'll be completely ok. You don't really need (unless you actually do need it for your workload) any of these mega fast drives. They will, probably, increase your performance, but is not like "HDD to SSD need".
For daily usage, random 4k is king which is pretty much the same for SATA to Gen 5 SSDs. Unless you tend to work with big files there is little difference between even SATA and PCIe Gen 5.
And he never even mentions endurance. These things have the same meh endurance as a Samsung 980, the Seagate 530/540 have triple the endurance. Drive endurance per TB can vary by tenfold. System drives get flogged by swap.
I am looking forward to the first build, featuring a liquid cooled drive.
corsair made SSD waterblocks a few years ago. but they weren't even really necessary then lol
Linus did a watercool m.2 ssd in one of his videos. At the time, it was over kill. But with pcie-5 and 6 +, it may become a thing.
@@lyianx Considering the current MoBo layouts and their overbuilt VRMs, I actually doubt that water-cooled M.2 drives will be very popular.
It'll probably turn out the same as in the past: manufacturers shrink the die-size of their controllers and NAND chips which will give us similar thermals to current drives in probably a year or two.
I'd love to see some cases that have the air flow to support the air movement to keep the drives at healthy temps. I don't water cool my systems, but having quality cases that have great airflow is important to me (while managing sound). I wonder if that 55c under load is realistic for just case fan air movement within a sealed case. Great video, I've been waiting for this video from you. 5th gen is absolutely insane. I'm still on Gen3 speeds and this is such a substantial upgrade... it might be time to upgrade my system.
Jay, you should do a video on best way to clone drives. Selfish request because I have some new SSDs but dont know how to transfer my OS to the new drives "easily". Thanks!
Has one
ctr a, ctr c, ctr v, done.
The raw insane speed of these drives are cool, but let's be real here: You don't need that kind of speed on an average gaming PC and you'll never see the benefit of it. I have 2 WD SN850x drives in my system that can do ~7,500Mbit/Sec and they are almost never working at 100%. Compared to the SN750s I used to have, the difference is hardly noticeable. Even in a very load heavy AAA title, the difference in load times between these and a drive that's 1/6th as fast is maybe a second or two at most. Don't get me wrong, these things are really cool, but you're paying a lot and dealing with a LOT of heat for performance that almost no one watching this channel has a legit use case for.
There seem to be some misunderstanding with how nvme drives operate. Drive controller has its own channels to flash chips, the more parallel chips you have the faster it goes, so usually that means that cheaper versions of the same model with 256-512 capacities are slower because controller can't parallelize your requests, so bigger - better for ssd. Also caching has multiple stages, modern high end nvme are paired with a fast DRAM cache + optionally separate cache on flash storage that can operate in pseudo-SLC mode (imitating 1 bit per cell instead of multiple bits per cell). If you run a prolonged write test it will fill out fast ram buffer and drive speed will fall off to normal TLC/QLC speeds, that are far from impressive.
I won't claim to know the how or why, but my experience has been that higher capacity SSDs are rated faster not slower. Also, there isn't a SATA 6 spec; it's SATA 3 which has a 6 Gbps rating. I know it's somewhat nitpicky. Tech people know what is meant by "SATA 6".
My first ever SSD was an OCZ (rip) SATA 2 (3 Gbps) drive (agility series maybe). I can't remember the capacity, but it might have been as little as 60 GB. I bought it for LOTRO, and it made a huge difference when loading into 21st Hall. It would take 30 seconds plus for all of the other players to fully load when zoning in back when Moria was the latest expansion. The SATA 2 SSD dropped it to a few seconds. I can't remember specifics, it's been over a decade, but I think it was less than 10s after moving my textures to the SSD. I think I may have used symlinks or hardlinks to move the textures. I can't remember the difference between the two. The older I get the better I was.
Skimming through, so forgive any inaccuracies, but a slower but higher capacity drive will still appealto consumers. I am fairly certain that he just mentioned less chips for paralell transfers as a cost saving measure in exchange for higher capacity. @@matthouse99
They also dont seek, large reads are faster because of block transfer and sequential commands.
@@matthouse99 most oem's and manufactures moved away from calling it sata III and started using SATA 6Gbps because it sounded faster when NVME's started picking up in popularity.
You'll have to revisit the water-cooled M.2 drives soon Jay. They're going to need their own rad before too long.
There are water coolers for NVme and Corsair is even selling drives with water blocks. Might be reasonable in the future to use it.
Can't wait to see how much the MOBO and SSD combo will be!
This sort of discussion is exactly what JTC Is the best at. Talk about a particular product, show an example of the product, and discuss the pros and cons along with examination of the technology. I want more of these type of videos.
when i see jay testing stuff, i just can't wait for a video with steve burk's 'the problem with...' and then showing clips like phil burning his hands 🤣🤣
nice to see speeds getting this fast!
This is sort of off topic, but with temps and speeds of m.2 drives for the get 5 drives, do you think that watercooling of these parts is going to be something to need to do in either this gen or next gen drives?
I'm not sure I understand the 'need' for a Gen 5 drive. I will never, ever notice the difference between my Gen 4 drives and a Gen 5. Hell I can't tell the difference between my Gen 3 and 4 other than by firing up a bench marking program. At this point, its like asking a guy who owns a Bugatti Veyron to 'upgrade' to a Chiron.
The only reason I upgraded this year from my 2013 Lenovo Y510P was because NVIDIA quit supporting the dual GPU's.
I can think of a lot of reasons. Loading programs or large files. For example: 2GB Photoshop file, starting software like Davinci Resolve. If you work in design you'll be loading large files sometimes, or saving large files, or opening programs here and there, so by the computer being able to move as fast as you can think can increase your thought progresses. Or building a 3D open world game and needing to load scenes to work on them, which I've done this would greatly increase workflow and productivity.
Recently saw something that ASUS was playing with putting a NVME slot on the back of a GPU. To take advantage of PCIe lanes available and the cooling from the card itself. Seems like a really interesting idea.
That's just asus throwing out ideas that will lock people into their ecosystem, just like the power-cable-less GPUs that require you to buy both an asus GPU and Mobo. And given their recent (what am i saying.. year-long) track record of junk products and RMA nightmares I'd rather not have either of those
@Knaeckebrotsaege What motherboard manufacturers do you recommend. I've had msi,asus, and now a gigabyte b550 board. I've really didn't see too many issues at all besides msi's beta bios for b350.
@@cbz21no manufacture, only products. I’d recommend checking out some reviews like hardware unboxed, that will tell you the best mobos to pick up for a given series
M.2 storage is so cheap now too, when I built my current gaming rig 1tb was $300(for gen 3), now it's $30 for a gen 4. Nobody should be gaming on spinning rust anymore.
@@Dan-Simms
Nvme for gaming, ssd for scratch, and still waiting for capacity/price to get better for large scale storage as replacing a 14tb, two 12tb and two 10tb hdds with ssd or nvme would be very pricey.
I have the 2TB version of this drive sitting in its packaging in a box at the foot of my bed with a bunch of other upgrade components for my PC (Intel 13900K, MSI Carbon Wifi MB, 64GB PC7200 Corsair Dominator Platinum RAM, iQue H150i Elite LCD XT cooler, 4TB WD Black 7300 MTS M2). I really need to get around to installing it all! :| Nice to see tho that it's as fast as advertised. Thanks Jay!
3:56 I got 2 Samsung NVME drives in my system and a viper one as well, which also had a heatsink similar but wouldn't fit with the mobo cover that has it's thermal pads for the m.2 drives .
so I just got it a little warm and wiggled the heatsink off & been using it about 2+ years now with no problems lol
Hey y'all! I just put together my very first rig and its sooo good! Besides one thing: coil whine. My XFX rx 6800 has coil whine while under load. I would like some ideas from you guys what would you do. My psu is a brand new EVGA 750 GQ ( C tier rated on PSU cultist tier list)
Things that I already tried out:
-use the pigtail connector (aka one cable)
-plug the cable into different outputs on the psu
-use Vsync in game
-limit in game fps
-Use AMD' Software : pro edition - undervolt setting provided
-Use AMD Software : pro edition - manual undervolt - 800mV and 2250 Mhz
-use MSI Afterburner to undervolt - 800mV
unfortunatelly none of these made major difference
All 5 of my video cards coil whine. It's normal at this point. Just put your case on the floor to get the noise away from your head and forget about it.
I have a rx 6600 xt, I recommend for amd software use the regular adrenaline with the adrenaline drivers, I accidentally downloaded the pro version to quickly realize its for the " pro" line of gpus, not gaming gpus. then under tunning go to the fan curve set all the sliders for manual adjustment, then slowly play with the curve under a gaming load. Ideally you want the last 2-3 points to ramp up smoothly, I found by adjusting the speed at which the fan ramps to max that it fixes my noisy "coil whine" fans. Its when they jump from super slow to super fast with no balance in the middle the fans spin off axis causing the whine. Also I tried afterburner for a brief second but in my personal exp It was conflicting with adrenaline and causing problems. Adrenaline just works and after a few tweaks I found its actually a pretty user friendly app. After you set your curve save it by clicking export profile at the top. after that with your fan curve is set, Id recommend keeping that a separate profile, you can build a second profile based off that fan curve profile with what ever additional o.c. or undervolt settings you wish to choose then save that profile again, as new. that way if your oc or volt tweaks are bad you have the fan curve profile to fall back on. adrenaline is pretty good at keeping that proflie you had last selected on until you switch it, "which for me I only run a fan curve profile atm" which means you 99% of the time don't have to select the profile when you shutdown, reboot etc, itll just load the last applied profile. Unless after a driver update, then you will have to import your profile but itll still be saved in profiles! Good Luck hope this helps!!
Funnily enough, on the "checking your motherboard's specs" part, on some of the ASRock B550 motherboards I've checked, if not all of their B550 boards, the secondary m.2 drive slot is PCIE 3x2, not 3x4, compared to the other manufacturers that do offer a full 3x4 slot (or couple of slots).
Not to mention on some boards like some B450 ones... adding an M.2 drive disables 2 of the SATA ports, and adding a 2nd M.2 disabled 2 more SATA ports.
I use it for my boot drive, plenty enough for the task.
ASRock should really stop using that configuration, though.
So get a X570 and not the gimped boards?
For me it wont be a JayzTwoCents video without him saying:"i digress". Gets me everytime!!!
Good you made a video about this topic!😀👏👍 i noticed this when i put kingston nv2 ssds in my system: The really slow Crucial P2 i used before were sitting at 33 degree when idle. The Kingston is at least at 55 idle.... Considering that most ppl are good to go with 1500 to 2400 Mb/s, doesnt it make sense to use older and slower ssds?! I also noticed that at least some usb to nvme adaptors have design failures, as they try to cool the ssd but the controller gets hot like crazy and isnt cooled at all, all sitting in the same case....
Jay, I think you are mistaken about larger SSDs being usually slower. Because larger ones use more chips so they sort of act like two sticks of RAM compared to only one... you can check the specs for samsung 980pro and see that the slowest is 512, than 1TB, than 2TB...and so on...
Believe it's a hangover from mechanical drives. Having to physically move the drive arm. That may have been stuck in his head.
Jay gets facts wrong almost every single video, it's on purpose to get people to comment, which increases engagement and makes youtube push the video to a wider audience. LTT did the same thing until they were called out for it, because once people know about it, it doesn't really work anymore.
since theses days you can get 2TB as a single chip, i guess it depends. if you have a 1TB and 2TB ssd both using just a single chip, the 1TB one might be faster. or no difference. but if the 2TB once uses two 1TB chips, then it can get an advantage from that, yeah. or did i mess up something here?
Speed increase upto 1/2 TB then it may decrease.
@@eiv-gamingThat is exactly what happened. The 1TB versions of the T700 are slower than the 2TB.
I don't think someone will feel the need to upgrade their SATA SSDs used as a game drive for quite a while. That might slowly start to change if DirectStorage (or nVidia's version of it) starts to take off and shows significant real world benefits, but the vast majority of games aren't currently bottlenecked by storage speed. Well, maybe some are with SATA speeds in regards to loading times, but not really in gameplay.
It seems beneficial for content creators moving massive files around and other specific scientific workloads that are storage-bound that the stagnant random IOPS won't affect, but most consumers, including PC "power users" will just be spending more than necessary for their storage with added heat output.
I'm glad the tech exists, and the controllers will hopefully improve over time (more efficiency, less heat, faster speeds, etc.) but I'm quite happy with my Gen 4x4, 3x4 & even SATA drives, and don't feel like they're obsolete landfill or will become as such for quite some time.
M.2 form factor is quite limiting. I wouldn't mind if we have 2.5 inch SSD using the U.2 or the newer U.3.
@@AlfaPro1337 oculink
The only application I've had where M.2 made a very noticeable difference was when I was experimenting with different language models. Loading times over SATA actually got annoying when constantly switching back and forth between loads of different models, some with file sizes exceeding 40GB. On a modern M.2 drive those loaded almost instantly. But even then I prefer to keep my models stored on the old SATA drive since I don't use them very often anyway.
For everything else the CPU seems to be a far more meaningful bottleneck for loading times. I certainly couldn't feel a difference after I upgraded my main system drive.
@@AlfaPro1337 U.2 and U.3 SSD exist but you need to sell three kidneys to buy one :/
@@esunisen3862 Nah, 3.92TB U.2 SSD is about $1K. That's pretty reasonable, but still farfetch.
Great video! Enjoyed.
FOMO is the perfect way to describe this. I have one of these as my boot drive, and if I'm being honest, can't feel the performance uplift at all. But it's nice to know it's potentially there.
Just upgraded to a 4 TB version of this drive and it's very fast for big file transfers not a big difference in game load times or anything. But I also got it for its direct storage performance which is bonkers. Just wish more games would start taking advantage of the tech.
I feel like this would make starfield have seamless transitions.... lol
@@dillonvillon I think my longest load screen was 1 second or so in that game.
This is the same guy who just made a "don't fall for marketing BS that has no real usability improvements" video.
👍👍🔥
These improvements are useable, perhaps not for you but for some of us
Thank you for really driving home the point that gen 4 and gen 5 drives get HOT. My poor 980 pro went and cooked itself to death because one little corner of one of the chips was not making contact with the thermal pad. The sensors didn't catch the temperature increase but it definitely damaged it. The drive became really unreliable and would go "offline" randomly, causing the system to freeze multiple times a day. Was an absolute nightmare to diagnose. NVMe heat output is no joke.
I have corsair pro xt drives with read/write of 7k.....and my max temps for the 1gb using crystaldisk is 37c and for the 2gb 39c
Thanks for making!
If you're still on SATA SSD, its not time to upgrade....
Sata SSDs are still perfectly viable if you have an extra one you know is good and need storage for games it'll do that job perfectly well extremely doubtful you'd notice the difference in loading time on that vs an NVME anyway
SATA (SSD) is still totally fine for pretty much anything.
What a user will perceive in terms of performance:
HDD----------SATA - NVME
me: still rocking hard drives for windows 😅
you can get 500gb SSD for 20 bucks on sale
You're really doing yourself a disservice imo by running the os off a hdd. Even the first gen ssd I had back in 2012 made my system feel so much snappier and everything loaded way quicker too let alone the drives we have available today. You really should get a cheap drive from a reputable brand as they're so insanely cheap these days for a small drive anyway :).
@@WyattOShea I’m Joking (but I got friends who still do use hard drives for OS
Fair enough and also oof. Would suck using a system where the os is on a hdd . Probably wouldn't be that bad though I'm just used to things being quick lol.@@keyzsawake353
I still use hard drives but it is a Win XP retro gaming rig so anything new is completely wasted on the OS and potato hardware.
I love your videos Jay.
You obviously got a bit of sun over the summer: your skin is bronzed a bit darker and your mustache is lightened and the colors are blending until your mustache is nearly invisible... to the point i felt like i was watching an Amish dude.
Computer tips with Jayzediah! 😊
Thanks for testing
Been running a Crucial T700 2TB as my OS drive for a couple months on my new build and it’s insanely fast.
Thx, great review. Predict a dedicated NVME expandable card w/ cooling solution, air or liquid. Future's so bright I gotta wear shades.
Kudos to whoever made the thumbnails. Love it! 😅
That weird noise at 2:43 and the frames flicking out of phase remind me of a very big transformer switching on
Jay Last Video: "You don't need to upgrade to the latest hardware"
Jay The Next Day: "You NEED to upgrade!"
I would love to see some practical tests with the featured drives. How much practical improvement are we getting in productivity and gaming with these speeds?
Could you test a 4 tb drive on a cpu connected drive slot on the am4 platform wonder if the cache on the drive make sende instead of a gen 4 drive
I'm currently on a new build with an Asus Strix Z790-E. It comes with optional motherboard fan mount brackets for VRM (40mm max.)and Memory (40mm, 50mm, 60mm max.) cooling . I hope to find test results to see if there is any advantage to adding these fans. A quick look yesterday showed a possible 6 CFM from small cooling fans. It seems to me that with an optimized case airflow, a 6 CFM fan would have little to no effect.
Fair winds and following seas to all.
Maybe those newly installed drives do nothing and get warm. But maybe they *are* doing something *internally*, like testing if all cells are OK, or filling the drive up with random data if hardware encryption is enabled in the BIOS. Dont know though - just guessing.
Currently using Crucial Ram on my outdated rig. It's the only satisfied piece of hardware that I'm happy with. I'd highly recommend it to everyone. (Crucial Rams&SSDs)
der Bauer has already discussed this on his channel, and done tests on how hot these Gen 5 NVMe drives get. He is staying away from them at the moment until something is done regarding the heat.
Thermal adhesive and a properly shaped heat sink should help. You can glue them on around the graphics card.
spooky screen flicker at 2:44 followed by the pop in the bacakground
lol still on gen3 here, 970 evo+ and very happy with it, don't need faster drives or PC I'm good with what I have for another 1-3 years.
Jay. The ASRock X670E Taichi MB comes with a special HSF for that Gen 5 SSD slot. It's designed so it isn't supposed to interfere with most GPUs. Might have been worth giving it a whirl, maybe?
I also suggested that.
Jay, the internet is a better place with your content. Thanks for the knowledge.
That aio custom videoclip was gold xd Also some drives just run hot. For example my 980 is like 10 degrees cooler than 970 Evo+ (these run hot just naturally).
I'm thinking of upgrading but my current firecuda 520 has my machine up and ready to go in seconds and looking at my workload I just won't benefit from a gen5 drive and the added heat will mess with my passive cooled builds I'll upgrade tp gen 4 firecuda 530 drive and be happy with that.
I would have to have some kind of extra cooling hitting a drive that runs that hot. My case has a large mesh opening and is set up for attaching fans to it so it could provide but my 970 EVO plus is tearing it up with ease so I don't feel the need to change.
I did the exact same thing with my Sabrent Rockets in my Asus X570 - put my gaming SSD in the one closest to the CPU for that BLAZING speed and my OS in the one father away. Works at 7000 mbps constantly. Cyberpunk levels load in literally three seconds.
This is actually getting me excited for my 2nd pc build
i thought it was my PC that was making the notification sound. 🤣
I bought a gen 5 board but gen 5 m.2 drives weren't out yet so I put in 2 gen4 drives in raid 0 I'm getting the same speeds as this video. People tend to say it doesn't matter for gaming but my load times in DCS and every other game seem to be cut in half and in DCS it matters because I'm a bad pilot and die a lot. It was well worth it.
Maybe the odd internal fan in the "HAF 500" will be useful on the gen 5 boards?
Great video short and sweet but interesting 👍
I was still on SATA drives until a few days ago, that's when my mobo or 3770k decided to kick it, which meant I didn't even have a single m.2 drive slot. Jumping straight from SATA to Gen4 drives with a mobo that has a Gen5 slot for when they aren't twice like twice the price of Gen4.
M.2 No longer Slow down, when they fill up. That changed 5 years ago. The slow down feature, was needed for the smaller drives with 1st/2nd Gen M.2's.
I have 2 gen 4 drives and now I’m looking at gen 5 drives just because 😂 thanks jay
Saw a video artifact at 2:43 right before Jay says "what made that noise?"
There are some ASRock boards with the Gen 5 slot up by the memory, so it won't interfere with your gpu. Just a heads up if you want to test some of the crazy Gen 5 heatsinks without having to pull the gpu every time or only use the board's built in hs.
That board actually comes with an active cooler for m.2s has a built in fan that goes on that slot.
Cheapest upgrade I ever did was moving from SSD to NVMe Gen 4s. They were the same price or on sale vs Gen3.
Jay i feel the same way, i just upgraded to one of the sabrent rocket 4 plus drives cause how freakin fast it was over my previous ones... now im like fkkkkk now i need a new mobo and these lol
0:44 honestly my desktop is on an 840 evo sata ssd (aside from this really odd issue where just listing all the items in a folder is quite slow where even a harddrive would be faster) and feels snappier than my laptop with a gen3 nvme ssd.
Unless you move big ass files back and forth all day a sata ssd is fine
Could always put the m.2 drives on a PCIE card and riser, then add one of the old GPU coolers on the top.
Those old cards still have valid coolers, even if power levels may be dated.
That MB comes with an active heatsink ( with fan) for that drive slot. I know since I have one.
am i the only one who noticed that from the previous video to this one Jay looks SWOLL AF!!! Jay got those buff boy guns!!!
Hey Jay,
Hot tech! lol I'm worried about the situation in a enclosed pc case with these things... Due to mobo requirements its almost always going to be sandwiched between the cpu and the gpu.
So now the list of heat sources on/connected to a mobo is something like :
cpu, power phases, ram, m.2 drive, GPU, chipset.
Gonna need full mobo custom water blocks soon lol
Also Jay with the last vid you put out, you were talking about the rampant upswing in cost of components. But your opening line on this vid hit a bit off. It maybe perfectly fine to continue using an old sata ssd. Especially with component prices of Pcie Gen 5 stuff right now.
That sound you heard, it seems like it also made the camera mess up a little at @2:42. There's some artifacting at the top of the frame. Weird.
with an 8 dollar NVME heatsink you can really unlock your ssd speed for long periods of time. bought one from Ali, amazing performance, heat pipe included
I got a P3 Plus in my computer and a P5 Plus in my PS5 and both are working great so far
Something I have hated for a while in motherboard layouts is that they always out the m.2 ports right where the graphic card goes, potentially heating up the SSD when the graptics card is in use, and also blocking airflow to it. This may have been ok when few people used them and PCIe 3.0 drives were the only option. But now... I think they should be adjusting the layout so that the NVME drives are closer to the ashes of the board, or at least are closer to where the SATA ports are.
I know, it's hard to fit so many stuff in a board right now, specially with the big ass graphics cards we have been getting, but something needs to be done.
I had a random You Tube short pop into my feed today where the creator had 3d printed ducts that attached to his case fans. Some went to the gpu, some went to the cpu. The cpu one also included a printed duct for extraction. It actually looked kinda cool. It took roughly 10 Degrees off the previous temp according to his data. Would be interesting to see it tested or experimented with independently.
I saw that . He brought down Temps by 10 to 15 more degrees
There are quite a few motherboards that don't have covers on the lower m.2 slots. I don't remember who it was, but they artificially heated up the m.2 drives to see if it impacted performance, which it didn't.
Bifurcation and nvme carrier cards with PCIE switches mean you can stuff an x16 slot with fast storage. That will easily saturate your lanes. Sonnet has a gen4 card with up to 8 nvme slots. You might want to stripe data across drives to reduce wear, add total capacity and add redundancy to your fast storage.
As storage goes faster, people are going to want faster networking. 12G/s nvme outpaces your 10G NIC and 25G is the next step up.
If you want your NICs to keep pace with your storage, we'll need multiple x16 slots, never mind a fan.
Hey Jason, have you heard of the Taichi Litr yet? Is it recommendable?
I upgraded from 3.5-inch HDDs to three 4-gig 2.5 SSDs to store all my games, movies, TV shows, and music. This allows me to avoid having to re-download everything when I feel like re-watching or replaying something because Australian Internet is painfully slow. I have four Team Cardea Gen 5 Z540 solid-state drives - one for Windows and the others for games and other programs that benefit from faster drives. In my opinion, 2.5-inch drives still have a purpose.
I remember as I was looking at motherboards for my new planned PC build I took a look at the Gigabyte Aorus Xtreme Z790. If you place a gen 5 SSD in the gen 5 slot your GPU will be limited to 8x as they share PCIE lanes... Guess I'm looking at either a different board or a gen 4 SSD now 😂