How about a tech tip for you guys: If you make charts that compare things, put them both on the screen at the same time, so you can actually compare them.
true. There is space in the graphs to combine both figures into one, like putting the results of one test for CS:GO next to the results for the ther test, side by side.
It's freaking me out how they compare ram configurations solely by making videogame fps benchmarks. I mean thats absolutely a key point for gamers, but probably isn't an overall good measurement.
@@marvingudel605 Gaming is one of the most demanding things you can ask a computer to do for most people. For most people this will be the hardest their computer is ever going to be pushed, so for this, it is a very good metric. (Was just playing anno 1800 and was using 17 GB or RAM before investors) If your 4K video editing or using 3-D rendering like auto-cad your either leveraging the power of servers or you've been able to acquire the high end memory module kits that would be required for such tasking, and not watching this video to educate yourself about mixing modules.
I've been using 32gb (4x8gb) of ram with my b450 and Ryzen 5 5600 for over a couple months with 100% reliability, 2 sticks are 3200 and the other 2 are 2666. I don't care a terrible about about speed, so I set them all to run slower at 2666 and have had absolutely no issues
It has to not exceed *twice* the capacity of the smallest module, acually, and even when it does that extra is just going to run as single channel, which is presumably the alternative anyway.
The question i want answered is what the implications are for anyone with soldered ram in their laptop.... If i have 4gb on board and need more than 8gb in total what does that mean for dual channel operation and if you want to get faster ram how do you know what the modules on board will handle??
@@HonkForLife098 But if you have 2x8GB and 2x1GB in their respective Dual Channel configs, (just as an example) that shouldn't impact performance in the same way...
40 years old and just now getting into tech. Thank you so much for this. I paid a local kid to build be a gaming computer. my ram is very minimal and buffrs sometimes during youtube.
When bios sports to 8 gb ram and you have 4 on laptop and there is only 2 slots and 1 is fled by 4gb you will think like me 2 4 gb or 1 8gb ram whic one is beter?
@@fahrimertdincer8421 two 4gb sticks are better if your motherboard supports dual channel mode (which it likely will). It performs better in gaming and overall workload consumption.
20 years ago it was the same problem with Cas timing. Size of MB or GB was not important... the chip on the module were! As long as u had the minimum recommendation, it worked and upgrade were easier. Hundreds of my customers were happy and they all thought I had magic special upgrades for their computers🤣Samsung and Micron were King👑 back then. Great test Linus ✊ Running Pentium 3 and Tx motherboards Cas and Latency were and still are important 😎
Well, to be fair binning is not really super specific. SO chances are you can relate to that without extended context/information. So it's easy to mention for 5 seconds and go on.
@@YoureUsingWordsIncorrectly you are the one hitting the nostalgia juice a bit too hard pops. Things are 100% better these days, and crts are dead for a reason.
@@ScReamOut93 Yeah, I get that it's much simpler to explain. It's just pointless and poor form. Imagine if a calculus textbook took a moment to explain what a slope is but then completely gloss over derivatives. Lately it just doesn't seem like LTT has a good grasp of the knowledge their audience has and the level of detail they go into is all over the place.
@@Endonae but if you're watching a video about RAM it's not unreasonable to know what latency is, because you should research before buying. correct me if I'm wrong
@@xxJOKeR75xx She has applied for jobs there even before she did that video. She was employed because she was the best person for the job. Her being on that video may have helped slightly but that is unknown.
One time, I mixed memory by taking DDR3 and putting it in a DDR4 motherboard with a hammer. A few additional DDR4 sticks and it didn’t turn on at all. (In seriousness though in my experience mixing ram, it usually is limited by the weakest link. The slowest RAM will slow down other sticks that can run faster) I would love to see a video where you guys mix DDR3 & DDR4 on some of those systems that support both. Ps: ily Linus.
I've mixed before and as long as the speed and timings match I've honestly always been able to run dual channel.. Both on AMD and Intel systems. I know this was a problem 10+ years ago but nowadays it's not that bad at all.
EXACTLY. Linus said it, normally it takes a couple years to even be able to get in front of the camera at LTT! Maybe they let her get on early bc of her history on the LTT channel; that and she is kinda made for the camera, she’s super funny lmao 😂
I've been mixing RAM since the second year of owning a PC. I've never gone for anything too crazy different between them, but different manufacturers, different brands and so forth. Honestly never noticed any issues. It was much later down that people cautioned against mixing ram, but I never really paid it much heed since I'd never had any problems. The minor performance issues probably matter more to someone trying to squeeze every last drop of performance out of their system, but I guess I'm just easy to please.
few of my RAM sticks died... it could be related to mixing... DDR3. I just test different configurations and see if they boot. I haven't even checked timings
@Biorider does that work for laptops too? If i were to upgrade because the stock ram on my laptop is a samsung and most local pc stores in our city does not sell samsung ram. Is it okay if i buy a different brand as long as it has the same speed?
So wait, you're saying I've been wasting time trying to find a matching kit of 2x4 HyperX 2666 CL15 to add to my two sticks, and I should buy a vastly more popular 2666 CL16 version and it will 100% run in dual channel with my CL15 sticks, even with a mild overclock? That's a serious question by the way, I really am anxious about buying a mismatching kit. I heard a few years back, I think even from some tech RUclipsr, that unless the speed and *every single timing* is matching on the second kit of ram, the dual channel won't work. And this video sounds kinda inconclusive, like what if I don't want to match a 2666 and 4000 kits like in the example. P. S. You know a person is desperate when they seek tech advice from strangers on RUclips.
I remember many moons ago I had done this (back when I had ZERO clue about Speeds/Timings etc) I was surprised to find that I could successfully run 2x Kingston Hyper X 8GB and 2x Ripjaw 8GB DDR3's (unfortunately I no longer have these sticks and still to this day have no clue what the clock speeds or the timings were), never once had a bluescreen (that I am aware of) in regards to the RAM and never had to tweak anything in the bios it was just simply plug and play. I am pleased to announce that I am no longer working with a $0 budget and using every hammy down possible to upgrade my system I now have fully populated 4x 8gb Corsair Vengeance and it looks a lot nicer than having 2x Mid Sized Black Ram Sticks and 2x Jumbo Red Ram Sticks :P
@@serebbi when mixing RAM, it's always a gamble, sometimes it works without issues, other times it will make your system crash. Even now days when chips are all randomised you could buy 2 boxes of 8gb RAM from the same manufacturer and exactly the same type, but one set may be using crappier chips and may not be compatible with the other set. So again it's just a guessing game, only way to find out is try it 👍
Hey people! I want to add some personal experience to this this video - long story short - secondary and tertiary timings matter a lot as well when mixing and long term system instability can happened (random crashed no matter what after a few hours). But can be tuned to make the modules work together. The complete story is as follows - I have 2 different sticks from Kingston due to a needed upgrade to my system 2 years ago for the ultimate minecraft mod pack (yeahhh, 600+ mods and 8GB of RAM wasn't enough and yeah, I like minecraft) - I was on a very tight budget so a set of dual 8GB modules was out of the question and the original cheap stick was not available at all, even second hand. So I went second hand hoping to get lucky. The "new" one is rated at 2400, while the old one is 2133, both Kingston with the same primary timings. However, unpredictable crashes started happening after random amount of hours - might be after 1, might be 2, might be 10, which stress tests didn't reveal. And the frequency of them was growing month after month (I wounder why). I tracked it down to the the memory mismatch and had to actually down speed them to 1833 and get a lot worse timings to get the system to stop crashing so often. Worse yet, the crashing was not completely gone, just happened very, very seldom. A couple of months ago I got a second hand Z170 motherboard and got the exact same problem. So I decided to tackled this again and asked the wonderful folks at the LTT forum for some help. And someone suggested it could be the secondary and tertiary timings that are causing problem. So I set aside a weekend, read up on those timings (tuns out motherboard BIOS holds them, not the sticks), plugged in each module individually and recorded the 2ndary and 3iary timings. After comparing them, they didn't seem that off, but decided to stick with the slowest ones from both (basically mixed them) and decreased the refresh interval. Aaaaand all worked! The system was stable for 24 hours at 2400MHz none the less! ^^ Buuuut it doesn't end there - I overclocked the 2 modules to 2666 without a problem, 2800 was also possible, but not completely stable (even with more voltage). Maybe again the 2nd and 3rd timings? :p Best part - the H110 motherboard I have also allows for tweaking the secondary and tertiary timings! (but no overclocking for the RAM, soooo 2133 max speed). I hope someone finds this helpful and sorry for the long comment! Love your vids and wonderful community Linus and all that help make them! ^^
so ur saying, if u check to see which has the lowest timing, adjust the others to match, u can get them to operate at a better frequency? if that is so, then uve cracked the code. tnx
for i am too lazy to read, i will copy and paste this and read it later just so you know, you are one good person and i aspire to be as kind as you are, have a good day
@@svgPhoenix Why? The bot isn't OP, its reply will get removed, and so for now we might aswell point out it's a bot and create some humor out of it. Win-win-win situation.
Thanks for another very informative computer related video. I was always told mixing RAM modules would cause problems, but I have an ASUS E35M1-M Pro motherboard from 2011, which has two sticks of DDR3 4 GB RAM; one Corsair XMS-3 and one 'no-name' stick of DDR3 4 GB RAM. They've worked happily alongside each other in my Spare PC since 2015, when I built my gaming PC. So much for all the warnings of 'dire consequences' from various 'experts'. Keep'em coming. Russ. UK
I mean it's common sense to use the same type of company hardware. However it is nice to know that if you know how to tweak sh*t then maybe you can get away with it while it all working properly.
I used to have a PC with athlon 64 3400+; it supported (barely) the instruction codecs windows 8.1 uses, so I installed it. Ran surprisiungly OK considering its age.
I had 2x8GB Corsair DDR4-3000 CL16 laying around and decided to pair it with my 2x8GB Patriot DDR4-3733 CL17. I was able to get both RAMs benchmarked stable at 3500Mhz @ 16-19-19-39. Now I have 32GB of RAM and many new games feel so much smoother and less stutter-y!
I mixed 2 sets of 2x4 ddr3, different speeds. Only thing that caused issues was having XMP enabled, but I was able to OC the lower speed ram manually and have been running it like that for at least 3 years
Somebody at edition thought that we wouldn't notice Madison's gloves disappearing on that memory close up XD. Seems that they won't let her really touch a computer lol.
Pff... in our first PC back then (Pentium with 133 MhZ) we chuged in all the RAM we could, had 2 2 MB and 1 4 MB EDO-RAM or something like that in the end... worked just fine :D
I always thought Linus was just a lucky rich dude. Now I realize how cost efficient he is and doesn't waste. Weird how I forgot he was human just because he's an online content creator. Thanks for teaching me how to actually make my very first PC run. I've watched your videos enough to build my very first PC without any help lol. Thanks :)
Same here. Worst case has been running them both at the speed of the slowest module. Works great for non gaming systems that don't really need the extra speed.
I had a laptop which has mismatched ram in it and i think the timings arn't even the same either ... still works ( at least teh last time i checked it...)
Linus I have an interesting idea about the next Secret Shopper. Use a decoy shopper. Make one well-known person call the company's and also make another not-so-known employee do the same thing. Do this on all stages of Secret Shopper and compare how the company's (Dell I'm looking at you) behave when they know Linus is calling them and how they behave when they don't.
Newbie here. Would it hurt or help to have 3 sticks of ddr4 in my hp office machine? (Used for light gaming, eventually there’s a possibility of streaming)
LTT has given up on actually segueing to their sponsor, now they segue to the segue and cut abruptly to the sponsor spot. The word segue has lost meaning and I love it.
it's cringe as hell and made for elementarty school children. insults anyone with any level of inteligence and makes me want to not even click anymore. especially when he puts those nasty underwear ads up. i mean, if your making content for kids why include that crap? no one wants to see that crap, gross. maybe start selling womens underwear or something if you're that desperate. i'm getting to the point of almost avoiding their content. but i am not a child so...
trance dj What's wrong with undies though? Also the laid back vibe is good sometimes. Why so serious? They don't take themselves too seriously, and neither do we. Why do you?
@@XX-121 just stop watching bruh it's clear you just aren't a fan anymore. Nobody cares about an underwear ad, cause everyone wears it. Unless you don't, which is why you find it gross... anyways, you have an L key. Use it next time you see someone mention anything about a sponsor, it'll change your life. Also, if the content is made for children, then how would avoiding it make you a child? It's questions like these which are why I say you aren't a fan anymore. When critiques don't hold much logic behind them, it usually means there's a form of bias instead
Upgraded my GF's HP all-in-one PC awhile back with a memory module (and an SSD too) that I had laying around in the 'ol spares box, worked great. And just bought myself a lenovo T580 laptop and upped it from 8 GB to 24 GB using the OE 8 GB stick and a new16 GB stick and it's cruising along just perfectly. So it can be done.
Works even better in linux: Just need to enter: echo "Successfully installed `head -n 1 /proc/meminfo | tr -s " " | cut -f 2 -d " " | awk '{print $1*2}'` kB" That will be 75$ ... pretty please
Exactly this. Most people having 4 RAM slots get at start 2 stick to run in dual channel and then as time goes there's option to put another 2 sticks which are different. They should test this but they did not. I would like to get an answer what configuration of slots is optimal for pairing different sticks for dual channel. Should each channel should be exactly the same (so 2 different sticks per channel) or is it better to put one brand in first channel and other is second channel?
@@ademiravdic yeah, I really didn't get what they were going for. Obviously you're not going to be able to clock way above the slowest stick, so that was hardly news (getting a 2666 stick up to 4000?). I'd be more interested in what happens if you're running at 3600 or whatever (maybe XMP), and you buy another set of 3600 RAM with comparable timings, or maybe a faster set. Does that cause issues? That seems like the sort of scenario an enthusiast would actually run into. And of course run it at the slower of the two timings.
@@RichFreeman Agreed. I can't be bothered manually messing around with overclocking, but might want to upgrade from basic XMP 16GB to 32GB and just happy if I don't see a performance drop. You're unlikely to be able to overclock a *matched pair* of 2666 sticks up towards 4000 without a lot of luck and much manual tweaking, why would they choose that as their test scenario for unmatched sticks/pairs? Out of touch will real users comes to mind.
@@h1ghe3a44 As technology advances, bots are going to get continually worse. I’m pretty sure it’s a direct result of capitalism. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen in other countries, it’s just to say that if everyone has access to a free market this is going to happen a lot. It’s annoying as hell.
"Linus, we have those weird scarfs. What now?" "Run hours of memory benchmarks, compile results, and write a quick script. Stop asking stupid questions."
I always mixed my RAM and never encountered a problem. Back when every single MB counted I had 3 different sticks of RAM (512, 256, and 128MB) from different brands and running at different speeds.
The only thing that doesnt work is when they run at different speeds. Your bios will automatically set them all to the lowest one you have. You could also overclock it tho
I think this is an interesting issue when addressing “upgrading” a laptop, I had success upgrading a laptops RAM a few years back when I replaced its free slot with a 16gb ddr4 that was the same speed as the soldered 8 but in the long run I’m not sure if the slight performance improvement I experienced were worth the hassle or getting it working, however it’s still something I find interesting and ends up influencing my purchasing decisions when buying a laptop.
My work laptop has 8GB soldered and our IT upgrades them with 32gb DIMMs in the free slot, no issues so far but web development isn't super heavy on memory.
yeah most of the time if you don't buy ram that's been certified by your laptop vendor for that model, you'll get super slow speeds and timings looser than a crack hoe.. and there's no way to change it in bios like you can w/ a desktop so you're just stuck w/ what you get. sux.
I have mixed memory but only 2 of each type to fill all four slots and there have been no issues for 4 and a half years of gaming and watching your channel among others !
Adding this for other enthusiasts that may run into this oddness.. I build systems typically with older hardware to save on costs. Recently built an Unraid system for my home that I have been very happy with, but recently ran into sporadic parity issues. Assisted by that great community, we tracked in back to the RAM, but not for the usual reasons. I am using an ASUS X99-a USB 3.1 with an Intel Core i7-5930K CPU @ 3.50GHz. This is a quad channel motherboard with 8 DIMM slots. As per the ASUS manual, I installed 4 Kingston HyperX Fury 8 Gb modules all in one quad channel. My mistake; I bought two dual channel kits, not one quad channel kit. Turns out, everything worked... most of the time. But running Memtest pointed to issues and errors with the setup. When I reinstalled the same RAM as dual channel in the top DIMM slots of quad channel bank, everything ran smooth. Weird, eh?
I think I’ve had matching dims in like two PCs over the years. I always got killer performance doing the Frankenstein method but would have loved to build machines like this. I could waste a week in this shop having a blast sleeping on a cot lol. I’d be very interested in building a super computer again but this time out of a portable desk.. so thin light and strong and most importantly, super portable.
08:52 - Linus spit tips 😀? I've run various different RAM sticks in many PCs and never encountered a substantial problem. Sure, timings should be equal and they will only run as fast as the slowest stick - but many times it was just an upgrade for a "family PC" that mostly did word processing.
I really appreciate that you include pricing with all of your plugs!. Glad LTT is transparent and isn’t just trying to lure me into their Store trying to figure out the price!
In the words of the wise... "Like the legend of the phoenix, All ends with beginnings, What keeps the planet spinning, The force from the beginning" Stay up all night, you'll get it ;)
It's funny how in the beginning it shows madison putting the ram stick on the motherboard wearing gloves and it cuts to a closer angle of a gloveless hand
In general as long as the frequency is the same you're fine with plug and play. Been a rule since my first laptop, a Dell Inspiron 8600. Wouldn't boot with 2 different frequencies. Swapped the smaller one out with one to match the bigger one. Ran beautifully
@vincentmarcellino7183 i have a Dell Inspiron with 4gb Ddr4 -2666v Ram stick I'm planning on getting a 8gb Ddr4 -3000v should it be fine ? or i should instead get a 8gb -2666v to match it?
"B-Die is bettah, I eat up voltage and slam timings into the ground." "Rev. E is bettah, I run high frequencies shilky and shmooth." *Slamming DIMMs together* "Stop looking at me, Hynix."
Free RAM is open-source, so you should be able to find multiple sites with compatible RAM. Just make sure the toolbar you install looks the same and you should be good
Back when ddr3 was just comming out, it was quite expensive and I was on a budget so I got ddr2. My motherboard, however, had 2 slots of ddr2 and 2 slots of ddr3. Sometime later I needed more memory so I got 2 sticks of ddr twice the capacity that I had. It actually worked with both, it didn't have the full combined capacity and I don't remember what speed it ran at but it was very stable.
I got 16 MB SIMM RAM from my 80386 to my P1 PC. Then I got a Celeron PC that was better than this P1, its motherboard had both SIMM and DIMM slots, and I've used these two SIMM and.. one newer DIMM I think. Also I gotta note somewhere at that time I had an ISA soundcard that had SIMM slots to expand its MIDI bank loading capabilities, so I used those here too.
The camera zoomed in so close. The character model glitches and the gloves faded away. Take it up with Support...though good luck. I've been trying to get my T-Rex Build unbanned for 3 billion years....no replies. I broke no rules!
I bought a prebuilt before I knew about PC parts. Sadly it only came with a single stick of DDR4 8GB. A year later after that, I wanted to expand the ram but I couldn't find the same stick that had came with my PC, so I bought a stick off Amazon, I made sure to find the same size and speed. It all worked fine and it got me to 16GB with no problems. A year after that though, I wanted another stick of ram but I couldn't find the same stick that came with my PC or the one that I had bought prior. So I ended up buying two more sticks with the same speed and size and it worked. So now I have 4 sticks, each with 3000mhz, and 3 different types of brands. I haven't noticed a single issue and my PC is running great.
I've been building computers since the days it required schematics and a soldering iron. But since the advent of memory slots, I've been a stickler to only buy motherboards with (at least) four RAM slots and using only half for the initial build - usually splurging slightly in the now in anticipation for what will be more likely available in the future. Where memory is concerned, I always look at the newest modules with the best overall performance I can get for a reasonable price. My current main rig is somewhat ancient (i7-5820K w/ASROCK X99 Extreme4) with a pair of Ripjaws F4-3200C15G-32GVKs, (2x16GB) which had recently come out and were the best I could afford at the time. Bought another pair about two years ago (now at 64GB total) and, in fact, the exact same modules are still available today - more than five years after my initial build. Granted one can't predict the future but, if you splurge a bit in certain places (mobo & RAM in particular), you can reliably expect plenty of upgrade avenues for yourself in the future.
@@nicolasg6983 It varies by board/chipset but, in general, everything syncs with the lowest performance - the lowest speed and highest latency among whatever RAM modules you have installed. Most boards/chipsets will still access the full capacities, but the issue really comes down to if that extra capacity justifies the performance hit.
This is a really interesting video. Nice work guys. I always wondered why ram modules couldn't be mixed if they're very similar and have similar time configurations especially since all those specs can be tweaked. You also spoke about an AMD design that can handle multi or mixed RAM speeds by design. I'd like to find out if the ASUS' Zephyrus. The mid tier gaming laptops with quite a lot of bank4buck squozen into them. You guys did a expo on the new models recently. I have a 2021 model and it came with 8gb DDR4-3200x1 paired with 8gb 3200 soldered to the board. There's only one so-dimm.... so, dems the best hardware configurations possible. The specs say it can see up to 24gb but I can only do it if I buy a 16gb stick. Many people say that I'm going to lose dual channel the very second I do this. However, just as many other say that it will perform in dual channel up until it surpasses the dual channel's max capacity. Honestly, I was beginning to side with the naysayers, that it likely will disable dual channel upon install. After hearing what you were saying about AMD I started wondering if maybe they implemented something like that in the Zep. I'm not even sure where I could find such info.
One of my first computers back in the early 2000s was a Frankenstein computer, running a set of random 256 meg ram slots I found in a box. I got it to run Morrowind so it was a solid success for teenage me
I remember getting 2 1gb sticks from different ebay auctions for my pentium 4 back in the day. Now I'm not sure if the unexplained errors I would get once in a blue moon might have had something to do with this.
As a kid, before I even knew about the issues that are possible with mixing memory, I convinced my dad to buy another 2gb of DDR2 to throw into our Vista machine under the pretense it would make the computer much faster. It luckily worked, and it definitely was faster! I could finally play Minecraft. Life was good.
Money for me was tight so I'm running some 8gb 3200 mhz viper and a 4gb 2400mhz budget crucial memory, occasionally I get a crash or a game has some strange behavior but it works ok on a ryzen system
I had 4 8gig sticks from the same manufacturer but 2 were a different model from the other 2 and slightly slower, ran them in the PC for about 3 years no stabilitty issues, upgraded to faster memory is the only reason i swapped it out, I hadn't even bothered to mess with the BIOS settings.
Benchmarking provokes stability problems, if present. If linus had stability issues, he'd have to explain why he doesn't have any benchmarking data to offer
Everything will be perfectly stable as long as you don't overclock the memory. It will just run at the speed of your slowest module. Note that XMP counts as overclocking, the actual DDR4 standard only goes up to 3200 MT/s.
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I recently built a gaming rig for myself, i9 14900KF (Overkill, almost useless for gaming, but I didn't wanted to upgrade for a long time) But I did the error of buying 2 separate kits 2x16GB (Corsair Vengeance 6400) they were running maximum at 5600 but stable at 5400, then I had a lot of BSOD, random Crashes in games, at some point I wasn't able to reinstall window anymore, so, I downgraded the CPU to an i7 14700 (the 14700k wasn't available) because in the meanwhile I realized that the i9 was too much of a waste and probably mine was also faulty, I changed the rams with a single kit 4x16GB DDR5 6000 (prior to checking on my MB compatibility list) and now I have 0 problems with the rams running at 6000mhz, Fury Beast
Madison playing the role of a mad scientist is quite fitting
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Seeing Madison in LTT videos make me happy
Madison is the best LTT employee yet
@@belknapbrothers3971 Antony
“You need not act when you are one “
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Haha lol im right next to one with all ryzen 5000s in stock lol
Arizona gang
Boston has one....but iv never been becuase 15 minutes is to far . . .
Just moved to a city that is 20 minutes away from the only one in my state 😎
Florida here, never heard of micro center until I saw LTt
How about a tech tip for you guys: If you make charts that compare things, put them both on the screen at the same time, so you can actually compare them.
Jeez you fuckin killed him
true. There is space in the graphs to combine both figures into one, like putting the results of one test for CS:GO next to the results for the ther test, side by side.
They've been doing it for so long, I don't think they know how to do it properly.
It's freaking me out how they compare ram configurations solely by making videogame fps benchmarks.
I mean thats absolutely a key point for gamers, but probably isn't an overall good measurement.
@@marvingudel605 Gaming is one of the most demanding things you can ask a computer to do for most people. For most people this will be the hardest their computer is ever going to be pushed, so for this, it is a very good metric. (Was just playing anno 1800 and was using 17 GB or RAM before investors) If your 4K video editing or using 3-D rendering like auto-cad your either leveraging the power of servers or you've been able to acquire the high end memory module kits that would be required for such tasking, and not watching this video to educate yourself about mixing modules.
I've been using 32gb (4x8gb) of ram with my b450 and Ryzen 5 5600 for over a couple months with 100% reliability, 2 sticks are 3200 and the other 2 are 2666. I don't care a terrible about about speed, so I set them all to run slower at 2666 and have had absolutely no issues
this is excatly what ive been researching! lol thanks!
What od i place cl16 ram to cl14 Rama triple chanells,that Work or not,sorry for my bad English...
All Rams is 3200mhz
i have a qs can i overclock my 3000 mghz ram to 3200 and pair it with a 3200
@@thecuzzy3571 I don't think so...
"As long as your workload doesn't exceed the capacity of the smallest module"
Ah, maybe that extra 2 GB stick in my computer isn't a good idea...
It has to not exceed *twice* the capacity of the smallest module, acually, and even when it does that extra is just going to run as single channel, which is presumably the alternative anyway.
The question i want answered is what the implications are for anyone with soldered ram in their laptop.... If i have 4gb on board and need more than 8gb in total what does that mean for dual channel operation and if you want to get faster ram how do you know what the modules on board will handle??
It only creates a performance impact, not compatibility errors
I have two 1gb module just to fill the slots, guess I should remove them then
@@HonkForLife098 But if you have 2x8GB and 2x1GB in their respective Dual Channel configs, (just as an example) that shouldn't impact performance in the same way...
I'm waiting for another Mean Comments video where it's just Madison reading all of them to Linus, then she shows the cards and they're all blank.
No, she shows the cards and it's all "qupons"! Muahahahah
Linus 🐧
PERFECTION
Nah the cards contain a collection of Linus' segue's....... That truly is a fate worse than death.
We need to make this happen
"You've got to be very careful about how you populate your slots."
Good general life advice, honestly.
My brother wasn't careful and he is now paying the price xd
linus life tips
sounds like something you would say in china
Lol
ALLES DEUTSCHE, MUHAHAHAHAHA
thank god there is linus to answer all of our random computer questions
I love how madison is acting like she is installing the ram in the intro and then we zoom into some else's fingers pushing it into the slot.
actually it can be seen clearly because she is wearing a white gloves and the next footage is of fingers with no gloves
so is she now an intern at LMG ? :D
@@SuperFischboy yeah, I'm pretty sure she manages the LTT tik tok
But why could you tell tho?
@@GOGOROBOv2 the sass
One day he's gonna say "We don't need a segue, thanks to our sponsor, Segway!"
Legit though lol
Unfortunately segway is Insolvent.
@@m0epinator That sucks :/
Underrated joke
Who’s gonna tell them?
MTT? I'm down.
Oh good to see you here. Love your vids clockner :)
GODner
simp
simp
@@hukama6911 @Info Brokerz
I'm afraid you guys got that first letter wrong. Just saying...
40 years old and just now getting into tech. Thank you so much for this. I paid a local kid to build be a gaming computer. my ram is very minimal and buffrs sometimes during youtube.
Ram and youtube buffering is not related dude.
@@arslanrasit he’s 40 bro
@@Rykerz_ yeah I'm just trying to help
Seemed a bit condescending tho just being honest@@arslanrasit
Shout out to the notebooks with unremovable 4GB RAM and one extra slot when they support up to 32GB of RAM 🚮
absolute worst!
When bios sports to 8 gb ram and you have 4 on laptop and there is only 2 slots and 1 is fled by 4gb you will think like me 2 4 gb or 1 8gb ram whic one is beter?
@@fahrimertdincer8421 two 4gb sticks are better if your motherboard supports dual channel mode (which it likely will). It performs better in gaming and overall workload consumption.
@@gdhplays3166 So if I have 4gb on board already, I should go for another 4gb (4+4=8) instead of 8gb (4+8=12)?
@@shrey768 yes
LTT is like an addiction for u to keep opening ur pc and make a heart surgery on it
Swapping ram compared to heart surgery. Aham, lego for adults
@@zonkedmc lmao
Lol
Or in my case, a head transplant
growtopia man
“Dude, what are you doing? We need to finish building the computer”
*rubs the sticks of ram together* “...it’s for good luck”
jake.
jake.
lol. wouldn't it kill the ram? (static)
meanwhile...
“It’s not dying, who designed this stupid RAM?”
Jake.
Like chopsticks
20 years ago it was the same problem with Cas timing. Size of MB or GB was not important... the chip on the module were! As long as u had the minimum recommendation, it worked and upgrade were easier. Hundreds of my customers were happy and they all thought I had magic special upgrades for their computers🤣Samsung and Micron were King👑 back then. Great test Linus ✊ Running Pentium 3 and Tx motherboards Cas and Latency were and still are important 😎
I love how you take an extra moment to briefly explain binning, but then just expect the viewer to know all about CAS latencies and such.
Well, to be fair binning is not really super specific. SO chances are you can relate to that without extended context/information. So it's easy to mention for 5 seconds and go on.
@@YoureUsingWordsIncorrectly you are the one hitting the nostalgia juice a bit too hard pops. Things are 100% better these days, and crts are dead for a reason.
@@ScReamOut93 Yeah, I get that it's much simpler to explain. It's just pointless and poor form. Imagine if a calculus textbook took a moment to explain what a slope is but then completely gloss over derivatives.
Lately it just doesn't seem like LTT has a good grasp of the knowledge their audience has and the level of detail they go into is all over the place.
@@Endonae but if you're watching a video about RAM it's not unreasonable to know what latency is, because you should research before buying. correct me if I'm wrong
@@YoureUsingWordsIncorrectly sure grandpa, please go on with the war stories.
But really we get it you’re a hipster and different
Madison is probably one of the only LTT employees being featured in videos this soon after employment. She was even on a video before employment
Typically they do a probationary period before they can be public iirc
she basically has the job because of that video and her being crazy.
@@birkk yeah, I think it is a year or two. It is because she was so great on ROG rig reboot obviously
@@xxJOKeR75xx She has applied for jobs there even before she did that video. She was employed because she was the best person for the job. Her being on that video may have helped slightly but that is unknown.
@@errorcode503 it definitely put her on the map. Linus didn’t want to employ her just because but if something that fits would come up...
One time, I mixed memory by taking DDR3 and putting it in a DDR4 motherboard with a hammer. A few additional DDR4 sticks and it didn’t turn on at all. (In seriousness though in my experience mixing ram, it usually is limited by the weakest link. The slowest RAM will slow down other sticks that can run faster)
I would love to see a video where you guys mix DDR3 & DDR4 on some of those systems that support both.
Ps: ily Linus.
HEY IM SUBBED TO U
Ily jay
@@xb7778 ME TOO
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Kitguru did an article on the Asrock B150M Combo-G. It supports DDR3 and DDR4, although not simultaneously. No need for a hammer.
I've mixed before and as long as the speed and timings match I've honestly always been able to run dual channel.. Both on AMD and Intel systems. I know this was a problem 10+ years ago but nowadays it's not that bad at all.
Madison is everywhere now. Has to be the fastest a new employee got onto LTT vids. True power behind the throne at LMG XD
Thats still yvonne... but madison may be an apprentice or similar
I mean, she is so fast that she was on ltt before she was even hired!
@@the_retag No, it was Madison at the start of the video and is a full time employee
EXACTLY. Linus said it, normally it takes a couple years to even be able to get in front of the camera at LTT! Maybe they let her get on early bc of her history on the LTT channel; that and she is kinda made for the camera, she’s super funny lmao 😂
@@nickevans8977 i was talking about power behind the throne. I may be short sighted, but im not that blind that i cant keep yvonne and madison apart
Oh no, I hope Madison didn't mix the blender and gaming RAM.
Big oof
why does this random comment have 4 separate korean spambots
@@aclonymous idk man
@TheReal_Yash they were all deleted
@TheReal_YΛSH when the:
I've been mixing RAM since the second year of owning a PC. I've never gone for anything too crazy different between them, but different manufacturers, different brands and so forth. Honestly never noticed any issues. It was much later down that people cautioned against mixing ram, but I never really paid it much heed since I'd never had any problems. The minor performance issues probably matter more to someone trying to squeeze every last drop of performance out of their system, but I guess I'm just easy to please.
I'm buying a prebuilt and it only comes with 1 stick of 8gb ram should I get another 8 gb stick? Or will it not work
few of my RAM sticks died... it could be related to mixing... DDR3. I just test different configurations and see if they boot. I haven't even checked timings
@Biorider does that work for laptops too? If i were to upgrade because the stock ram on my laptop is a samsung and most local pc stores in our city does not sell samsung ram. Is it okay if i buy a different brand as long as it has the same speed?
So wait, you're saying I've been wasting time trying to find a matching kit of 2x4 HyperX 2666 CL15 to add to my two sticks, and I should buy a vastly more popular 2666 CL16 version and it will 100% run in dual channel with my CL15 sticks, even with a mild overclock? That's a serious question by the way, I really am anxious about buying a mismatching kit. I heard a few years back, I think even from some tech RUclipsr, that unless the speed and *every single timing* is matching on the second kit of ram, the dual channel won't work. And this video sounds kinda inconclusive, like what if I don't want to match a 2666 and 4000 kits like in the example.
P. S. You know a person is desperate when they seek tech advice from strangers on RUclips.
@@warpspace7871 Same thing happened to my friend after a couple weeks of having mixed rams
I remember many moons ago I had done this (back when I had ZERO clue about Speeds/Timings etc) I was surprised to find that I could successfully run 2x Kingston Hyper X 8GB and 2x Ripjaw 8GB DDR3's (unfortunately I no longer have these sticks and still to this day have no clue what the clock speeds or the timings were), never once had a bluescreen (that I am aware of) in regards to the RAM and never had to tweak anything in the bios it was just simply plug and play. I am pleased to announce that I am no longer working with a $0 budget and using every hammy down possible to upgrade my system I now have fully populated 4x 8gb Corsair Vengeance and it looks a lot nicer than having 2x Mid Sized Black Ram Sticks and 2x Jumbo Red Ram Sticks :P
What about a 4gb stick + 8 gig stick ? Will it work ? Thats the question.
@@serebbi when mixing RAM, it's always a gamble, sometimes it works without issues, other times it will make your system crash. Even now days when chips are all randomised you could buy 2 boxes of 8gb RAM from the same manufacturer and exactly the same type, but one set may be using crappier chips and may not be compatible with the other set. So again it's just a guessing game, only way to find out is try it 👍
@@FuryFight3r Yup i will try it myself. If it crashes, i just put back my old stick right ?
It will not affect any other component?
@@serebbi your computer will be fine from my past experience I haven't had an issue when testing types of rams together
Hey people! I want to add some personal experience to this this video - long story short - secondary and tertiary timings matter a lot as well when mixing and long term system instability can happened (random crashed no matter what after a few hours). But can be tuned to make the modules work together.
The complete story is as follows - I have 2 different sticks from Kingston due to a needed upgrade to my system 2 years ago for the ultimate minecraft mod pack (yeahhh, 600+ mods and 8GB of RAM wasn't enough and yeah, I like minecraft) - I was on a very tight budget so a set of dual 8GB modules was out of the question and the original cheap stick was not available at all, even second hand. So I went second hand hoping to get lucky. The "new" one is rated at 2400, while the old one is 2133, both Kingston with the same primary timings.
However, unpredictable crashes started happening after random amount of hours - might be after 1, might be 2, might be 10, which stress tests didn't reveal. And the frequency of them was growing month after month (I wounder why). I tracked it down to the the memory mismatch and had to actually down speed them to 1833 and get a lot worse timings to get the system to stop crashing so often. Worse yet, the crashing was not completely gone, just happened very, very seldom.
A couple of months ago I got a second hand Z170 motherboard and got the exact same problem. So I decided to tackled this again and asked the wonderful folks at the LTT forum for some help. And someone suggested it could be the secondary and tertiary timings that are causing problem. So I set aside a weekend, read up on those timings (tuns out motherboard BIOS holds them, not the sticks), plugged in each module individually and recorded the 2ndary and 3iary timings. After comparing them, they didn't seem that off, but decided to stick with the slowest ones from both (basically mixed them) and decreased the refresh interval.
Aaaaand all worked! The system was stable for 24 hours at 2400MHz none the less! ^^
Buuuut it doesn't end there - I overclocked the 2 modules to 2666 without a problem, 2800 was also possible, but not completely stable (even with more voltage). Maybe again the 2nd and 3rd timings? :p
Best part - the H110 motherboard I have also allows for tweaking the secondary and tertiary timings! (but no overclocking for the RAM, soooo 2133 max speed).
I hope someone finds this helpful and sorry for the long comment! Love your vids and wonderful community Linus and all that help make them! ^^
so ur saying, if u check to see which has the lowest timing, adjust the others to match, u can get them to operate at a better frequency? if that is so, then uve cracked the code. tnx
What's a secondary and tertiary timing? I've never seen that in the BIOS settings.
There are of course a whole set of timing values.
secondary and tertiary timings huh? that sounds complicated
for i am too lazy to read, i will copy and paste this and read it later
just so you know, you are one good person and i aspire to be as kind as you are, have a good day
Great point man
LTT: Posts one video featuring Maddison in the intro
Viewers: "MTT?"
He's teasing us with 5secs of appearance XD
Was she from the ROG Rig Reboot
@@TheMsdos25 she was, yes
@@thealien_ali3382 chill bruh
she was also in a other video with the old server where she made sub to linus on wooden blocks
"if you try it and there's no performance difference, then there's unlikely to be a performance difference"
@Linus Tech Tips Not even a half decent try, bot.
Ah the floor is made out of floor
Every sixty seconds in Africa a minute passes
The archer clan really is made up of archers!
@@svgPhoenix Why? The bot isn't OP, its reply will get removed, and so for now we might aswell point out it's a bot and create some humor out of it. Win-win-win situation.
Thanks for another very informative computer related video. I was always told mixing RAM modules would cause problems, but I have an ASUS E35M1-M Pro motherboard from 2011, which has two sticks of DDR3 4 GB RAM; one
Corsair XMS-3 and one 'no-name' stick of DDR3 4 GB RAM. They've worked happily alongside each other in my Spare PC since 2015, when I built my gaming PC. So much for all the warnings of 'dire consequences' from various 'experts'. Keep'em coming. Russ. UK
Ty Russ, UK is great country and we innit!
Linus videos:
Linus: it doesn't matter
Linus: or does it?
Also Linus: 10 minutes of content explaining why it does not matter but still does.
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classic LTT vid format really.
I mean it's common sense to use the same type of company hardware. However it is nice to know that if you know how to tweak sh*t then maybe you can get away with it while it all working properly.
Does it work?
*YESN'T*
Well, I'd rather know why than just get a hollow talking point without some substance behind it to chew on.
Linus: “increasing your RAM speed is important for performance”
Me, using mismatched 400Mhz DDR2: “interesting”
What are you running? A TI-86?
@@leakingamps2050 Windows 10 Pro 64-bit on an AMD Phenom II X4 920, 4 2GB sticks
@@leakingamps2050 The computer was a custom built in 2009, it’s seen Windows 7 come and go, and runs 24/7 as a server for the past 18 months or so.
I used to have a PC with athlon 64 3400+; it supported (barely) the instruction codecs windows 8.1 uses, so I installed it. Ran surprisiungly OK considering its age.
Ouch, even my first system was 800mhz
Madison is so freaking powerful that she can remove her gloves and put them back in less than a second ! Continuity my friends, continuity ...
cinema sins ding.mp3
It was just Dr. Maddison and Mr. Linus
That was only a fraction of her true power.
Small production. They don't have the resources to catch small mistakes like this....if only Linus had more staff.
@@smoothcortex video next week: "we're hiring for a continuity manager..."
I had 2x8GB Corsair DDR4-3000 CL16 laying around and decided to pair it with my 2x8GB Patriot DDR4-3733 CL17. I was able to get both RAMs benchmarked stable at 3500Mhz @ 16-19-19-39. Now I have 32GB of RAM and many new games feel so much smoother and less stutter-y!
I just can't believe Madison is actually Linus' employee.
I never saw her again after that one ep until now lol.
@@jhonnythejeccer6022 She is graphic designer of ltt
@@mariosiroky5454 Graphic designer/social media manager
Shame, she's insufferable.
@@mariosiroky5454 lol didn't know that :D
I feel like Madison is the only one that can truly revive channel super fun
what about Dennis "live laugh" Liao?
The only one able to do that task is Nicky V
@@err nice fake verification bot
Dennis "live laugh" Liao with Madison it would be mix that would produce a nuclear bomb :D
Imagine she and Nicky V on csf
“Just how smoothly Linus here...” *Skips 20secs*
@DIDIER MATEO RAMIREZ - ARCE well no shit
@@gamingtopps8975 😂😂
@DIDIER MATEO RAMIREZ - ARCE Gee, Nice observation Einstein...
@@DaneH64 hahah
That is a good wisdom
I mixed 2 sets of 2x4 ddr3, different speeds. Only thing that caused issues was having XMP enabled, but I was able to OC the lower speed ram manually and have been running it like that for at least 3 years
Somebody at edition thought that we wouldn't notice Madison's gloves disappearing on that memory close up XD. Seems that they won't let her really touch a computer lol.
Lmao
There's some creature on your profile picture
So, we are not gonna talk about how Madison suddenly didn't have gloves on at the start?
They thought we wouldn't notice...
U a redditor
@@sr_bob m dawg sounds more gen z, imo
I thought she'd still technically be under probation...
"You've got to be very careful about how you populate your slots"
Agreed.
@Linus Tech Tips what
Pff... in our first PC back then (Pentium with 133 MhZ) we chuged in all the RAM we could, had 2 2 MB and 1 4 MB EDO-RAM or something like that in the end... worked just fine :D
@@ethanlai1044 It's a scam, don't do it! Look how that account is missing the checkmark!
@@ethanlai1044 Scammer using look-alike letters
@Linus Tech Tips
You arent fooling anyone
I always thought Linus was just a lucky rich dude. Now I realize how cost efficient he is and doesn't waste. Weird how I forgot he was human just because he's an online content creator. Thanks for teaching me how to actually make my very first PC run. I've watched your videos enough to build my very first PC without any help lol. Thanks :)
Being cost efficient doesn’t mean you’re not rich.
He did say in the review of the steam deck teardown that he’ll be modding his because he’s lucky to be able to afford to break it
@@kx7500 Probably helps that Linus didn't start out rich, he and his team worked for what they have.
What? He was testing it for the sake of a video, not to be cost efficient
@@hare_ware yeah, still very lucky tho
I've done mis-matched RAM for years. As long as my Frequency and Timing matched I've never had an issue.
Same here. Worst case has been running them both at the speed of the slowest module. Works great for non gaming systems that don't really need the extra speed.
@@espanalibre9505 Wouldn't check out four links without anyone mentioning why.
@@espanalibre9505 Spam...
I had a laptop which has mismatched ram in it and i think the timings arn't even the same either ... still works ( at least teh last time i checked it...)
@@hdezn26 yeah, generally they should all just down time to match.
Everybody gangsta till glasswire can see future network activity
Its just a tiny precog in a box, like a closed prefilled AIO cooler.
someone needs to stop the sponsors linus is starting to refer to himself in the third person
ikr what the frick
Linus is getting upset!
@@b00gyman1 man I really want to know the context for that clip
That's because Linus is now sponsoring Linus.
@@liambergstrom8183 you got it man ruclips.net/video/tL9JgMt4okM/видео.html
my personal server is running 4 sticks from 3 different vendors with chips from at least 2 manufacturers. It's a minor miracle
Linus I have an interesting idea about the next Secret Shopper. Use a decoy shopper. Make one well-known person call the company's and also make another not-so-known employee do the same thing. Do this on all stages of Secret Shopper and compare how the company's (Dell I'm looking at you) behave when they know Linus is calling them and how they behave when they don't.
From watching those videos, I have serious doubts that Dell tech support would have any idea who Linus is.
they woud have to spend 2x mony on it. It woud be cool but, you know mony is money
I've mixed memory for years and never had issues in hundreds of computers and servers by just matching the MHz
I have i system with 6 different sticks (ALL are different size, speed, latency) overclocked it to the moon and it just works (DDR2)
@@vincentschumann937 Is it weird that I wanna see thia?
@@BigBoronto it isn't if you're into computers and it only works in one order for me but my combination is a bit brutal
Newbie here. Would it hurt or help to have 3 sticks of ddr4 in my hp office machine? (Used for light gaming, eventually there’s a possibility of streaming)
@@United_Kangaroo1992 As long as the sticks are all similar enough, more memory is more good.
LTT has given up on actually segueing to their sponsor, now they segue to the segue and cut abruptly to the sponsor spot. The word segue has lost meaning and I love it.
it's cringe as hell and made for elementarty school children. insults anyone with any level of inteligence and makes me want to not even click anymore. especially when he puts those nasty underwear ads up. i mean, if your making content for kids why include that crap? no one wants to see that crap, gross. maybe start selling womens underwear or something if you're that desperate. i'm getting to the point of almost avoiding their content. but i am not a child so...
@@XX-121 It's just an advert... Skip it if you want to. It's a shame that they need adverts, but this platform is free to use.
trance dj What's wrong with undies though? Also the laid back vibe is good sometimes. Why so serious?
They don't take themselves too seriously, and neither do we. Why do you?
@@XX-121 just stop watching bruh it's clear you just aren't a fan anymore. Nobody cares about an underwear ad, cause everyone wears it. Unless you don't, which is why you find it gross... anyways, you have an L key. Use it next time you see someone mention anything about a sponsor, it'll change your life. Also, if the content is made for children, then how would avoiding it make you a child? It's questions like these which are why I say you aren't a fan anymore. When critiques don't hold much logic behind them, it usually means there's a form of bias instead
JPnewPic88.Men
Upgraded my GF's HP all-in-one PC awhile back with a memory module (and an SSD too) that I had laying around in the 'ol spares box, worked great.
And just bought myself a lenovo T580 laptop and upped it from 8 GB to 24 GB using the OE 8 GB stick and a new16 GB stick and it's cruising along just perfectly. So it can be done.
i like how you didnt let her insert the ram stick by herself and instead cut to a close up of someone else doing it :D so good
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a sex bot copied your comment lmfao
@@potto1488 Technology really is advancing.
@@user-po6zt8if4c true
Thanks I didn't notice that blatantly obvious cut and now I feel stupid.
I love the wide shots of Madison wearing gloves and then the close up of the ram insert is a glove-less hand. Peak comedy.
@Lo Fell how is he simping lmfao
@Lo Fell where is he simping lol
@@J37182 “if you act any sort of friendly or appreciating towards any FeMaLe you’re a perverted simp” - incels
@Lo Fell She's funny, it's like Anthony but you feel uncomfortable because you are a child and girls scare you
@Lo Fell nah dawg I'm engaged, I just like seeing someone be successful, unlike you obviously.
I like how Madison ist wearing gloves in the intro, but a bare hand puts in the dimms in the close up :D
That could have possibly happened bcz nobody would have trusted her with the dimms lmao🤣
No offence tho
Nice observation 👌
Because the intro is a parody of Frankenstein... where the rest is just normal life.
You're so german
This really helped me out a lot I really appreciate y'alls videos definitely a go to for pc help keep up the good work
You should let Madison help a ROG winner build their pc. So she can feel how Linus felt when he helped Madison build hers.
Pretty sure ASUS pays a lot of money for the Linus factor though.
Like a contract kinda thing
Who were the ROG winners because I could not find my email😉
Lol i dont think madisons gotten good enough at building for that
Evil genious
I mean that's all nice and all Linus but
DID KNOW YOU CAN DOWNLOAD MORE RAM?🐏🐏
And that's why I have 69000 ram stored in my hdd!!
@@VERSA6969 Pffftt I have 69420.
Works even better in linux:
Just need to enter:
echo "Successfully installed `head -n 1 /proc/meminfo | tr -s " " | cut -f 2 -d " " | awk '{print $1*2}'` kB"
That will be 75$ ... pretty please
@@VERSA6969 I'll bite.
bUt ThErE's No WaY tO dOwNlOaD rAm, YoU'rE iNfEcTeD wItH vIrUs nOw!
Lmao some ppl take this seriously. Anyway thats haliarous
I feel like the most common memory mixing scenario would be two mismatched 2 stick kits. You may have tested that, but it wasn't super clear
Yeah, as far as I saw it will be no problem, unless you trying to go for xmp way above slowest modulr
Exactly this. Most people having 4 RAM slots get at start 2 stick to run in dual channel and then as time goes there's option to put another 2 sticks which are different. They should test this but they did not. I would like to get an answer what configuration of slots is optimal for pairing different sticks for dual channel. Should each channel should be exactly the same (so 2 different sticks per channel) or is it better to put one brand in first channel and other is second channel?
@@ademiravdic yeah, I really didn't get what they were going for. Obviously you're not going to be able to clock way above the slowest stick, so that was hardly news (getting a 2666 stick up to 4000?).
I'd be more interested in what happens if you're running at 3600 or whatever (maybe XMP), and you buy another set of 3600 RAM with comparable timings, or maybe a faster set. Does that cause issues? That seems like the sort of scenario an enthusiast would actually run into. And of course run it at the slower of the two timings.
@@RichFreeman Agreed. I can't be bothered manually messing around with overclocking, but might want to upgrade from basic XMP 16GB to 32GB and just happy if I don't see a performance drop.
You're unlikely to be able to overclock a *matched pair* of 2666 sticks up towards 4000 without a lot of luck and much manual tweaking, why would they choose that as their test scenario for unmatched sticks/pairs? Out of touch will real users comes to mind.
yeah, why on earth did they test 4 different modules but not this config?
Great video! I work at Best Buy and this video gave me. better understanding of RAM compatibility that I can communicate to customers. Thank you!
I love how Madison didn't actually insert the ram in the intro.
I didn’t notice that 🤣
who is that girl
Of course her cameos are more elusive than Stan Lee showing up in MCU movies.
First time I read your comment I mistakenly read "cameos" as "cameltoes".
@@espanalibre6065 spammy trash using lazy and scummy promotional tactics
- may your dislikes be plentiful and unwavering
Linus: It barely matters
Me: Shiiit, mate. That's all you had to say. "closes video"
@Linus Tech Tips SCAAAAAAAAAM, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE CHECKMARK!
💀💀
Today's bots are way worse. I don't get it.
@@h1ghe3a44 As technology advances, bots are going to get continually worse. I’m pretty sure it’s a direct result of capitalism. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen in other countries, it’s just to say that if everyone has access to a free market this is going to happen a lot. It’s annoying as hell.
@Linus Tech Tips i would like to invest. I trust Linus.
Im new to IT glad I got two of the same. Upgraded my ram from 8 to 32 which is more than enough for my needs.
I just realized how much Madison and Colton look alike, especially when Colton wears glasses. Welcome to the team, Madison!
@Linus Tech Tips Yeah, no one is falling for this scam
@@hueyrosayaga saldy a lot of people do
Who else checked the comments to see how many people are hyped about Madison coming back
Edit: holy crap 1.1k likes
She runs LTT tiktok as well
Lol
yep same just saw her and was like yep people are gonna comment about this right away
who?
@@joshuahendricks3552 Linus Tok Tips
"Linus, we have those weird scarfs. What now?"
"Run hours of memory benchmarks, compile results, and write a quick script. Stop asking stupid questions."
I always mixed my RAM and never encountered a problem.
Back when every single MB counted I had 3 different sticks of RAM (512, 256, and 128MB) from different brands and running at different speeds.
Do you think i can throw a trident x royal 64gb on a ddr5 board?
@@brandonscherrer6487 depends on how good at welding you are
@@jamesr9400 lol
The only thing that doesnt work is when they run at different speeds. Your bios will automatically set them all to the lowest one you have. You could also overclock it tho
@@brandonscherrer6487 No since it is ddr4. Which will not work on a ddr5 board.
I think this is an interesting issue when addressing “upgrading” a laptop, I had success upgrading a laptops RAM a few years back when I replaced its free slot with a 16gb ddr4 that was the same speed as the soldered 8 but in the long run I’m not sure if the slight performance improvement I experienced were worth the hassle or getting it working, however it’s still something I find interesting and ends up influencing my purchasing decisions when buying a laptop.
My work laptop has 8GB soldered and our IT upgrades them with 32gb DIMMs in the free slot, no issues so far but web development isn't super heavy on memory.
yeah most of the time if you don't buy ram that's been certified by your laptop vendor for that model, you'll get super slow speeds and timings looser than a crack hoe.. and there's no way to change it in bios like you can w/ a desktop so you're just stuck w/ what you get. sux.
I did the same, and 24GB was definitely better than 8GB, for my purposes anyway (software dev, VMs)
"we created a bass line"
and yet I hear no bass
sad times
NOT EPICO
bass below 20 Hz
Huh 🙄
It's so deep.
Crazy how much hype Madison generates by just existing in a LTT video. She's a good hire... I think.
It's because of the simps
I have mixed memory but only 2 of each type to fill all four slots and there have been no issues for 4 and a half years of gaming and watching your channel among others !
Adding this for other enthusiasts that may run into this oddness.. I build systems typically with older hardware to save on costs. Recently built an Unraid system for my home that I have been very happy with, but recently ran into sporadic parity issues. Assisted by that great community, we tracked in back to the RAM, but not for the usual reasons. I am using an ASUS X99-a USB 3.1 with an Intel Core i7-5930K CPU @ 3.50GHz. This is a quad channel motherboard with 8 DIMM slots. As per the ASUS manual, I installed 4 Kingston HyperX Fury 8 Gb modules all in one quad channel. My mistake; I bought two dual channel kits, not one quad channel kit. Turns out, everything worked... most of the time. But running Memtest pointed to issues and errors with the setup. When I reinstalled the same RAM as dual channel in the top DIMM slots of quad channel bank, everything ran smooth. Weird, eh?
I think I’ve had matching dims in like two PCs over the years. I always got killer performance doing the Frankenstein method but would have loved to build machines like this. I could waste a week in this shop having a blast sleeping on a cot lol. I’d be very interested in building a super computer again but this time out of a portable desk.. so thin light and strong and most importantly, super portable.
Strip an old game console such as an xbox 360 or something and make a gaming pc
*buys a number of crazy 8k and 1k cameras*
*forgets to remove the vaseline from the lens*
08:52 - Linus spit tips 😀?
I've run various different RAM sticks in many PCs and never encountered a substantial problem. Sure, timings should be equal and they will only run as fast as the slowest stick - but many times it was just an upgrade for a "family PC" that mostly did word processing.
I really appreciate that you include pricing with all of your plugs!. Glad LTT is
transparent and isn’t just trying to lure me into their Store trying to figure out the price!
Stop saying "Get Lucky", I can't handle the pain today :'[
This guy gets it :(
Im with you! 😭
very sad indeed
In the words of the wise... "Like the legend of the phoenix, All ends with beginnings, What keeps the planet spinning, The force from the beginning" Stay up all night, you'll get it ;)
It's funny how in the beginning it shows madison putting the ram stick on the motherboard wearing gloves and it cuts to a closer angle of a gloveless hand
In general as long as the frequency is the same you're fine with plug and play. Been a rule since my first laptop, a Dell Inspiron 8600. Wouldn't boot with 2 different frequencies. Swapped the smaller one out with one to match the bigger one. Ran beautifully
@vincentmarcellino7183
i have a Dell Inspiron with 4gb Ddr4 -2666v Ram stick
I'm planning on getting a 8gb Ddr4 -3000v
should it be fine ? or i should instead get a 8gb -2666v to match it?
"B-Die is bettah, I eat up voltage and slam timings into the ground."
"Rev. E is bettah, I run high frequencies shilky and shmooth."
*Slamming DIMMs together*
"Stop looking at me, Hynix."
So if I download my memory on Chrome I can't mix it with memory I downloaded on Firefox
But you can mix it with RAM you download on Edge because they are both Chromium based.
so if you think you make a smart joke you remain id!otski for ever
lol
Free RAM is open-source, so you should be able to find multiple sites with compatible RAM. Just make sure the toolbar you install looks the same and you should be good
Overclock it.
SHE’S BACK!
Urgh, she's here..
The oof girl is back
@@timooo69 No?
@@timooo69 Is that a reference?
@@justsomeguy5470 yep
Back when ddr3 was just comming out, it was quite expensive and I was on a budget so I got ddr2. My motherboard, however, had 2 slots of ddr2 and 2 slots of ddr3. Sometime later I needed more memory so I got 2 sticks of ddr twice the capacity that I had. It actually worked with both, it didn't have the full combined capacity and I don't remember what speed it ran at but it was very stable.
Gigabyte G41-combo mobo?
I got 16 MB SIMM RAM from my 80386 to my P1 PC.
Then I got a Celeron PC that was better than this P1, its motherboard had both SIMM and DIMM slots, and I've used these two SIMM and.. one newer DIMM I think.
Also I gotta note somewhere at that time I had an ISA soundcard that had SIMM slots to expand its MIDI bank loading capabilities, so I used those here too.
Continuity at 0:05 - gloves, no gloves close up, then gloves again
The camera zoomed in so close. The character model glitches and the gloves faded away. Take it up with Support...though good luck. I've been trying to get my T-Rex Build unbanned for 3 billion years....no replies. I broke no rules!
I wish gpu stock was as consistent as Linus’ sponsors
@Linus Tech Tips SCAM
Love how Madi was just a person who got her PC from Linus to now working for him
Yes
I bought a prebuilt before I knew about PC parts. Sadly it only came with a single stick of DDR4 8GB. A year later after that, I wanted to expand the ram but I couldn't find the same stick that had came with my PC, so I bought a stick off Amazon, I made sure to find the same size and speed. It all worked fine and it got me to 16GB with no problems. A year after that though, I wanted another stick of ram but I couldn't find the same stick that came with my PC or the one that I had bought prior. So I ended up buying two more sticks with the same speed and size and it worked. So now I have 4 sticks, each with 3000mhz, and 3 different types of brands. I haven't noticed a single issue and my PC is running great.
Petitions for linus to make a song called "Dropping the beat"
Mastered by Deadmau5
Might as well, he drops everything else.
i love how you can tell Madison isn't the one putting the ram in because she had gloves on and the hand pushing it in doesn't have gloves on lol
Can't believe that flew under LMG's radar.
LOL
I've been building computers since the days it required schematics and a soldering iron. But since the advent of memory slots, I've been a stickler to only buy motherboards with (at least) four RAM slots and using only half for the initial build - usually splurging slightly in the now in anticipation for what will be more likely available in the future. Where memory is concerned, I always look at the newest modules with the best overall performance I can get for a reasonable price.
My current main rig is somewhat ancient (i7-5820K w/ASROCK X99 Extreme4) with a pair of Ripjaws F4-3200C15G-32GVKs, (2x16GB) which had recently come out and were the best I could afford at the time. Bought another pair about two years ago (now at 64GB total) and, in fact, the exact same modules are still available today - more than five years after my initial build.
Granted one can't predict the future but, if you splurge a bit in certain places (mobo & RAM in particular), you can reliably expect plenty of upgrade avenues for yourself in the future.
Do you know what kind of corsair ram is this on 3:57 ???
Its not the dominator.
?I don't know what it is?
Furry
Yep feel like people cheap out on boards too often. I like to have the bells and whistles
have you ever mixed 16gb with 8gb rams? what was like?
@@nicolasg6983 It varies by board/chipset but, in general, everything syncs with the lowest performance - the lowest speed and highest latency among whatever RAM modules you have installed.
Most boards/chipsets will still access the full capacities, but the issue really comes down to if that extra capacity justifies the performance hit.
This is a really interesting video. Nice work guys.
I always wondered why ram modules couldn't be mixed if they're very similar and have similar time configurations especially since all those specs can be tweaked. You also spoke about an AMD design that can handle multi or mixed RAM speeds by design. I'd like to find out if the ASUS' Zephyrus. The mid tier gaming laptops with quite a lot of bank4buck squozen into them. You guys did a expo on the new models recently. I have a 2021 model and it came with 8gb DDR4-3200x1 paired with 8gb 3200 soldered to the board. There's only one so-dimm.... so, dems the best hardware configurations possible. The specs say it can see up to 24gb but I can only do it if I buy a 16gb stick. Many people say that I'm going to lose dual channel the very second I do this. However, just as many other say that it will perform in dual channel up until it surpasses the dual channel's max capacity.
Honestly, I was beginning to side with the naysayers, that it likely will disable dual channel upon install. After hearing what you were saying about AMD I started wondering if maybe they implemented something like that in the Zep. I'm not even sure where I could find such info.
Does it work?
hey, were you able to get it done?
When gaming, my reaction time is awful, but when Linus mentions his sponsor, tapping right twice is faster than ever.
They keep them pretty short most of the time, hardly worth the effort to skip them for me.
@@--_DJ_-- 2 taps on a phone is 10 seconds there ads are usally 10 secondsnow if you tap 3 or 4 timed you mids the intro clip which i like to watch
We got a nonbeliever here.
comments was like
10% opinion about the topic
90% Madison
Linus knew his audience well.
Yes! Well played Linus, Well played!
One of my first computers back in the early 2000s was a Frankenstein computer, running a set of random 256 meg ram slots I found in a box. I got it to run Morrowind so it was a solid success for teenage me
IT'S A TRAP
@Linus Tech Tips SCAM
I used to run two different memory size kits from different manufacturers but with the exact same specifications. I never had an issue.
I remember a time we didn't even care about mixing memory so long as we increased it. It worked
I’ve never even given it a second thought. Of course, I always match speeds and capacities and don’t overclock, so it’s never been an issue for me.
Indeed. I have an Athlon XP system with 1,2 GB of memory. Totally mixed stick configuration.
I remember getting 2 1gb sticks from different ebay auctions for my pentium 4 back in the day.
Now I'm not sure if the unexplained errors I would get once in a blue moon might have had something to do with this.
As a kid, before I even knew about the issues that are possible with mixing memory, I convinced my dad to buy another 2gb of DDR2 to throw into our Vista machine under the pretense it would make the computer much faster. It luckily worked, and it definitely was faster! I could finally play Minecraft. Life was good.
Money for me was tight so I'm running some 8gb 3200 mhz viper and a 4gb 2400mhz budget crucial memory, occasionally I get a crash or a game has some strange behavior but it works ok on a ryzen system
Finally, the question that had to be answered.
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@@toastcart8211 6
My question is how did this affect stability? Performance is all fine and dandy but if you can't use the system it becomes a moot point
I had 4 8gig sticks from the same manufacturer but 2 were a different model from the other 2 and slightly slower, ran them in the PC for about 3 years no stabilitty issues, upgraded to faster memory is the only reason i swapped it out, I hadn't even bothered to mess with the BIOS settings.
Benchmarking provokes stability problems, if present. If linus had stability issues, he'd have to explain why he doesn't have any benchmarking data to offer
@@jimblob78 I've run benchmarks before on an overclocked cpu that ran fine but my games would keep crashing until I reduced the OC
Everything will be perfectly stable as long as you don't overclock the memory. It will just run at the speed of your slowest module. Note that XMP counts as overclocking, the actual DDR4 standard only goes up to 3200 MT/s.
@@shawno8253 did you watch the video? He benchmarked using games in this video.
That please dont download more ram on the intro killed me 😂😂😂😂😂🤦
Will Madison be the next “secret shopper”? 🤔
She actually seems pretty knowledgeable, I think secret shopper works better with someone that genuinely isn’t familiar with PC hardware.
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i doubt it she will be recognized by an ltt viewer on the other side of the line
Well everybody knows about her, she's not a "secret" anymore. I mean there are more than 8 million views on rog rig reboot.
Me who runs 4 different brands and speed of ram “lol”
Madman.
I really wish I could afford any thing expensive like setup I feel so sad I live in india and things here are very bad I need help url_156@gmail.com
@@hasmukhshah7167 no
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@@feliperenan6627 heh
I love that Madison finally back 😭...best decision was to hire her
I recently built a gaming rig for myself,
i9 14900KF (Overkill, almost useless for gaming, but I didn't wanted to upgrade for a long time)
But I did the error of buying 2 separate kits 2x16GB (Corsair Vengeance 6400) they were running maximum at 5600 but stable at 5400, then I had a lot of BSOD, random Crashes in games, at some point I wasn't able to reinstall window anymore, so, I downgraded the CPU to an i7 14700 (the 14700k wasn't available) because in the meanwhile I realized that the i9 was too much of a waste and probably mine was also faulty, I changed the rams with a single kit 4x16GB DDR5 6000 (prior to checking on my MB compatibility list) and now I have 0 problems with the rams running at 6000mhz, Fury Beast