Does Ram Speed REALLY matter? You might be surprised
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2020
- Today I decided to show you whether or not ram speed can matter when it comes to gaming computers... but I didn't expect this level of result
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Hey guys. The number for SOTTR is missing in the first chart and should be “136” sorry about that.
please do AMD cpu ram speed difference
finally!
yes please do one for amd have 2700x and just ordered 3600 ram need to know if im a fool
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Jay add cod mw (2019) in your benchmark
thumbs up for having my exact motherboard, my exact processor, and testing exactly what i searched for.
You owe him lunch... Or at least a coffee at StarHacks
@Anarchy On 2 Wheels you realize this cpu is out dated and just get a new one already
@@crazytigerspy9420 if it works it works
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
@Anarchy On 2 Wheels Trust me you will, my brother runs an fx 6300 black edition, my current cpu is a 4690k and that's a relatively cheap cpu now though it shits all over the fx 6300 in anything by a mile in games especially.
I've just got a r9 3900xt for free and just waiting on a cpu cooler, can't wait to get that set up.
3:48 That could not have been timed better.
That was so unreal timing! LOL
I didn't get it tell the last minute before i almost tried it! xD!
That one gave me a good laugh! 🤣🤣
I got a really good laugh from that timing. Who doesn't need one of those rn 😂
Godly timing is godly...
I did this and now my computer is so fast that its running around the house and i cant catch it
Hey just asking a week after the post, did you managed to catcht it?
I think mine ate the cat.
Is your computer black?
@@lookitsnick8164 no his is orange. :>
lmaoo that shi made me choke on water
The same tests @1440p would have been really nice to see to visualise the diminishing returns you spoke of :)
No need, 1440p above are gpu bound ... It means having a faster cpu (max OC) and faster ram will have near to none or zero performance gain.
So if you want to overclock your cpu and ram manually then go play at 1080p. Ram and cpu cant keep up @ 1440p
@@gamertechlive1780 It is not a truth!..e.g. 1440p Far Cry 5, Cyberpunk 2077, COD CW etc. I have tested it (rtx 3090 oc, i9-9900k default/oc, 32GB 2666/3600).
@@gamertechlive1780 3080 or lower? Maybe, but starting from next gen 1440p will be the new FHD and even low-end cards will be 1440p high framerate ready. More stress will be shifted to the CPU by then at this resolution.
@@JSBF2013 What result did you get? I'm also running 2666 and have been pondering whether I should upgrade the ram since I can't and really shouldn't OC the ram speed myself.
@@motherflerkentannhauser8152 that is very slow ram. Your system is definitely being bottlenecked by your ram depending on your hardware.
You should have said “now we are going to take a trip down memory lane.”
I looked for this comment before I wrote it. I thought it was coming and was shocked he didn't say it!!
@@johnathonm7813 I thought the same thing!
Hey Jay and team, I've been building computers for a long time and enjoy watching your content. My go to tests for a long time has been Geekbench (CPU) and performance test by Passmark (muti test suite) for all the overclocking and ram tuning. maybe you can include that or just a subset of it. like the memory benchmark.
I watch alot of videos but for some reason I find your videos more reliable keep it up , I look for your videos when I have questions
Same test with AMD.
Also, a test with different rated ram speeds and same speed ram with different timings.
Yes, I got 32gb of ddr4 for free. It's only 3000mhz but the timing is really good, something like 15 15 something I can't remember.
Gn has a video like that full of details! Check it out.
I'm running DDR3000 C14 with things other timings because it runs better than DDR3200 C16 with worse other timings, on R3600 @ 4.3Ghz all core.
I need this
You'll need DDR4-3200 at CL14, and DDR-3600 at CL16 for the best overall performance in Ryzen 3000 systems. You'll have a 1:1 clock with the CPU with great latency.
Going beyond to something like DDR4-4000 will require you to manually set timings yourself, but the performance gain is worthwhile if you're successful.
The 4 essentials of RAM.
-RAM size
-RAM speed
-RAM timing
-RAMMSTEIN
-Ram RGB
- RAM dual-chanel (vs single-chanel)
@Jon Mckeown *gefragt, if u would say "gefackt" in German it would sound more like "fucked" than "asked"
@Jon Mckeown okay
@Jon Mckeown Gefragt
I've learned so much from this channel and Linus and TechSource. You have all helped me so much since 2 months ago I didn't even know what the components of a PC included. Now I have built 3 from scratch all tested thoroughly and functioning perfectly so thank you Jay!
Love the honesty of leaving the outtakes/mistakes in-line with the video
I think it would have been good to show the 1% and 0.1% Lows. It seems like in a lot of benchmarks the faster ram speed can help bring up the FPS lows more than just a straight FPS increase.
I also find it relevant to know if you get a higher minimum. I want to know if it's going to be dropping to 30 FPS at the worst or 10 FPS, even if it does average 60+ FPS.
@@greevar yeah some people don't really know about the 1% and 0.1% lows, they could be crucial when it comes to Esports titles specially
I think that's why I have such low lows with my ancient x5675 and 1666RAM but the highs are fine. Am I off? Saving for modern Mobo still
Well only 1% low matters cause 0.1% low can be caused by varying things like loading screens
Also intresting would be on whats more important: High Mhz-Count or Low CL-Timing. RAM can be aa fast as it wants as of pure Mhz but i think a high CL-Timing like lets say 24 will seriously bottleneck the System. However it would be intresting to see to what degree the CL-Timings affect the system.
I was all ready to start typing 'what about AMD, that is RAM speed critical', glad I watched to the end.
Please repeat the tests with Ryzen, and see which is more dependant on ram speed these days.
yeah, same here
And RAM is the most picky on Ryzen. Whether the memory is "single rank" or "dual rank" makes a huge difference on how fast it'll go too. And that's something that isn't on any spec page anywhere. Typically assume 8gb is single rank and 16gb is dual rank.
Ya - I bought 3600 for my Ryzen 3900--- worth it?
Ken Otwell Yes, that was definitely a good choice
RYZEN... that's not a simple answer. You should watch several videos from BUILDZOID related to that.
I really love your video for learning stuff. You are a great teacher
10:51. "If you haven't already gone into your BIOS and said 'Oh, I should probably enable that XMP Profile", and you didn't even know it was there, then 'You're welcome'"
Me: Yup - thank you, Jay. Finally gathered up the courage to turn mine on - and saw an immediate improvement in many of high-computing tasks..
Please test on a Ryzen 3000 too, maybe show 1% lows to see if they're affected.
It will improve the 1% low, assuming you don't go for a set of RAM that has a high cas latency. You really wanna look for 3200mhz CL14 or 3600mhz CL16. Honestly for AMD the 3200 CL14 is probably better, but will be much harder to find. For intel GSkill 4266mhz CL17 is usually the best results, but it's pricey, and only really benefits an i7 or i9. Always check your motherboards QVL online, or in manual if it has that info, to make sure your selection is going to work.
@@DaveDuzzit a good b-die kit can do 3600 cl14 that's what you want to aim for. if ur lucky and get a good chip, a good mobo, and good ram, you can do 1900 infinity fabric speed and 3800mhz ram and still keep ultra tight timings... between cas 14 and 16. but keep in mind setting that isn't enough. there are charts and resources out there showing the benefits of tweaking further subtimings, buildzoid from actually hardcore overclocking is a good resource on that. all AMD users should try to tweak as many subtimings as they can to optimize them. that can give you a significant bump above even your basic 3200-3600mhz cl 14-16 settings.
4x8GB B-die @ 3533 14-14-14-32-1T 4-4-4-8-312 here :) Have to go to CL16 for 3600+ but I think thats my G.Skill 4800 kit holding me back. Other kit is Viper 4400.
He should also test it on APUs, I know a lot of people aren't using apus but in third world countries where components are expensive they're pretty commonplace. Lowspecgamer has a video on ram frequency (and the dual channel importance) on apus.
Holy fuck i have no idea what any of this means
"It's not a bug, it's a feature" said every engineer ever
Chaks243 I feel attacked.
Says the democrat frauds in regards to dominion servers switching/deleting votes, attempting to steal the election.
Phil's personality brings a smile to my face each time he goes into one of his editing humor :)
Always haha, gotta love that dude
Phils cute
For us that do more photo and video editing than gaming, could you test a couple of these; DaVinci Resolve, Premiere, Lightroom or Photoshop. Thanks, I really enjoy watching.
0:29 you missed a golden opportunity to say 'today we're going to take a trip down memory lane.'
Someone said this 2 hours before you did! Busted
@@JimboHurt people can have the same idea
@@JimboHurt considering most people don't scroll through hours worth of comments, and the comment box is at the top, its probably because it 's not a unique memorable (SEE?! GET IT?!) pun.
@@JimboHurt Both of those people can GET OUT >:(
@@JimboHurt didn't even know that. It's hard to read all the comments.
Jay: "We're assuming people's computers are WORKING, Phil-"
Test bench: X(
Test bench: Aight chief imma head out
litreally X( X( X( X(
I laughed out loud at the beep beep beep 😂
Test bench: Wait... Im working? Gotta change that really quick.
I love watching these videos. Helps add to my own knowledge base!
i love watching your show!!!! im more the software guy! hardware is new to me! been working on my gaming pc, ive pick up alot watching your videos!!!!! thanks keep up the good work
I would be interested in seeing a ryzen 3000 series comparison.
lacedragon87 absolutely
It seems pointless to do this with an Intel chip, considering the entire point of getting fast RAM nowadays is for Ryzen Infinity fabric.
I can tell you that, with a budget build, overclocking my 3200mhz ram gave me literally 10% faster performance in games. More frames, less stutter, just by clocking it.
@@Fearthecow792 really eh? I've got a 3600x with 2x 1080ti in wifes PC with 3200 mhz ram you think it's worth trying to OC the ram to 3400 or so?
I too would like to see Ryzen 3000 series tested.
@@nopenada2271 It can help. Zen 2 can keep a 1:1 ratio with the infinity fabric up to 3400, sometimes higher. Once you kick the ratio out of the 1:1 there's questionable gains. If you're on an older mobo (i.e. not X570), you may hit a limit on it.
I would like to see AMD test bench with this same scenario.
Duane Tardif doesn’t Ryzen benefit more from faster ram speeds
@@normiesreee7906 yes, because faster ram increases the infinity fabric clock.
@@rherbm Crap, i hope the 3600 i got is good enough then lol
@@rherbm only on zen1, so Ryzen 3xxx isn't affected as much 12:13
I have a 3800x running with trident z neo 3600
I would be interested to see if there is any big performance difference between a 2666MHz RAM compared to a higher one (2666Mhz seem to be claimed as the "sweet spot"). And how much more crashes you may experience with XMP enabled.
I recently installed 32GB (16GBx2) 3600 MHz RAM and my motherboard would only allow 2666 MHz speeds with XMP profile 1 turned on - it says 3600 MHz enabled but this does not show in Windows. I noticed great stability and good gains. My mono is Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3. Wonder why this is the case?
@@DungarooTV I checked out your motherboard and, according to Gygabyte's webpage, it supports a max RAM speed of 3200 MHz. So, if it's running at 2666 MHz with XMP enabled, is probably because that's the maximum speed supported by your CPU.
@@DungarooTVif it only supports the slower speed it should down clock it
3:53 @Phil, your laugh is the best! Makes me laugh every time you do.
We'd really love to see how AMD processors reacts with different memory speeds!
I imagine CPUs with loads of cores are far more impacted by ram bandwidth.
Big performance gain coz you are overclocking the infinity fabric when you bump up ram speed.
3200 CL14 is kinda sweet spot for 1,2,3.gen ryzens.
@@CobrazHD yea 3200 CL14 is where its at i can confirm 1700x here running smooth af
@@CobrazHD ain't infinity fabric clock separated from ram speeds on anything zen2 and above?
@@CobrazHD ryzen 3000 loves 3600-3733 far more than 3200.
Factorio: the game has a benchmark mode you can use with a given map to consistently time differences without needing to run the game normally. Use a megabase map save to really see the performance impact. RUclipsrs like Madzuri or KatherineofSky can probably hook you up with megabase saves or factorio saves which show memory speed mattering.
Another key point to note which I recently encountered is that the motherboard itself will have a max ram speed limit. So if your MoBo only supports 3200 and you buy 3600 ram, the typical "1 click XMP button" will not work. You can manually set it speed to 3600 but it will still only run at 3200. This also messes with build in OC features many new boards have. My MSI board makes OC really simply with a bunch of 1 click operations. I ended up returning my 3600 ram and getting 3200 instead as that was the max specified by my board. I was then able to use the 1 click XMP and OC settings without issues. long winded but there you have it.
Got the same thing going on with m msi mobo.
That's the whole reason I watched the video as I'm buying a mother board and ram and wanted to make sure my motherboard could use that extra speed lol
Also make sure that your CPU can support that memory speed. Otherwise it wouldn't work either. My motherboard supports RAM speeds higher than 3200 MHz. However, I have an 11900K which, according to Intel's webpage, supports up to 3200 MHz. So, I bought 3200 MHz RAM sticks. That way you get performance you paid for.
I followed your instruction and found my XMP was disabled in BIOS (running i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz, 32GB DDR3 RAM and nVidia 1070)
. I enabled it and fired up Arma 3 (which I believe is a CPU intensive game) and noticed a 15 FPS increase in performance. Thanks for your useful guide.
Correct! With Haswell and DDR3, you get a huge boost in modern titles, if you go from stock (Jedec 1333@cl.9/1600@cl.11 MHz) up to like 2400 MHz@cl.10/11. It was not the case back in 2014/2015. Haswell i7-4790K is actually IPC competitive with the newer 6-10.gen 4c/8t (same architecture) , if the memory is running as fast.
"But first we need to pay some bills" Best way to introduce an ad 🤣👌
I definitely want to see more of this testing on AMD and at higher resolutions!
Agreed, I just ordered a 3700x with 3600mhz ram
JayzNoSense hate AMD !
At this point if youre gonna play at 4k, youll be limited by gpu even the 2080 ti. Ram wouldnt matter at all right now.
Right? 9900KS? Who cares about a $1300 processor that only claims to be good for gaming?
That said, higher resolution cares about VRAM speed and quantity. It will if anything decrease load on the system memory bus. It's the same as how higher resolution will make a game GPU-bound instead of CPU-bound.
Higher resolutions are not used because the lower frame rates due to graphics card limitations tend to minimize any differences in CPU and RAM bottleneck.
I agree we need a ryzen test as well, but we don’t need or want higher resolutions as it defeats the purpose of the benchmark.
I would live to see you guys run these tests with Elite dangerous horizons. It’s built on an in house engine. The very active and FPS sensitive community would love to see these vids as the game is very sensitive to hardware changes. It may also help the developers out.
I just rewatched this, and, Jay, with over a million of us MSFS2020 Flight Simmers now on line, and many of us using VR, it would really be a great help to us if you would add MSFS to your benchmarks.
"Cities Skylines" is a huge CPU/Memory hog game, especially in cities with over 200,000 population and more.
Good idea! If I remember there are some cpu crusher cities out there too. :D
this should be tested i would say its one of the memory intense title
Absolutely right, perfect benchmark and you can find 'benchmark-build-cities' in the steam Workshop, so you dont have to build a City with 200k to bench.
The game is just poor optimised. must be something about using an open engine to simulate hundreds of thousands of citizens
its your fault that the people in the city are too fertile...
lovely. i just found my ram was running at 2133 when it should have been running at 3200mhz
Literally just happened to me lol
lol ye and i had this pc for a year
kevin landrini luckily it was only 3 weeks for me 😭🙏🏾
Same here, mine has been running at 2133 instead of 3600 for a year...
why is that not more widely known :'( its 3 years for me now, but not a big loss, from 2133 to 2600
I always *love* in Jayz videos when you have Phil who is bursting in laugh behind the camera 😂
great little video for us new builders, very helpful so thank you my good sir
“Extremely memory and memory-speed dependent-“
**Modded Minecraft**
IKR
I was thinking exactly on that scenario
Absolutely, however it's also very dependent on the mods involved and what arguments you have set for Java.
Not to mention, it's also very dependent on how you build in game. (anyone curious, build out horizontally, don't stack everything, it helps performance a ton)
Matakor what arguments would you recommend? I have trouble performing well in mod packs
The funny thing is, is that people are always like, "Alright we put 200 mods into the last pack, let's make it 300" And then everyone's computer cries out in agony.
I think AMD would be a better test bed for this. AMD benefits a lot from memory speed. I may be wrong but I don't think Intel would show as much benefit.
You're right.
Recently upgraded the RAM in my AMD 2700x system to ones that actually allowed me to set an "XMP" profile. Performance in DICE games vastly improved! Specifically BFV.
Nope trust me, I went from 2133 to 3200 and boy does it make a huge difference. It isnt the same as Ryzen but my 9600k gets 10-30 more fps in certain games just with the jump in memory speed.
He did it on purpose because he is an A**Hole !! i hate this kind of TekTubbers bribed by intel & Nvidia !
This is less a consequence of the memory itself though. Ryzen essentially poisons the results if you're benchmarking the memory specifically.
thanks Jay, this was definitely great info. Just found this nugget.
Just subbed love your videos!
4:10 "After a simple reboot it's really easy" he says with a face that shows this man is dying on the inside
Would really love to see the AMD version of this vid.
Especially since I'm probably going to go AMD for my next rig, despite only using Intel for the last 20 years.
word! same here, about to snack a 3800X
If on Ryzen 3xxx the highest clock speeds you should aim for are 3600 and instead you should focus on tighter timings. Diminishing returns get really bad really faster with that line. Zen and zen+ show more benefit from 3200 with tighter timings than simply stepping up clock speeds.
Though I'm not gonna lie, I wanna see Jay do ram speed tests with Ryzen to see exactly how much you can gain with different speeds.
@@ArtisChronicles Linus has a great video showing real world results, they're significant. There's a solo video with the team there and another partnered with Gamers Nexus. If I'm not mistaken best results because of limits of the infinity fabric are 3866 with 1900 Infinity Clock & either CAS 14 or 15 tightened timings. Then the only instances recorded online come from kits of 4800+ and golden chips preforming single digit % better at prices like $700 for 16GB kit.
AMD FTW!
Welcome to the Orange team xd
Is there benchmark software that tests everything and tells you what the bottle neck in your system is?
Would be an awesome thing.
just what I needed, thank you!!!
I couldn't stop laughing when Phil started speaking German with Rammstein's lyrics
@Shank Adams yes it was since this channel really isnt that funny to begin with
It's only funny because it was Phil. Phil is hilarious. Do not attempt to change my mind.
@@dust6711 I am from Germany and i didn´t understand him xD
ore
Ich komme aus Deutschland und habe ihn nicht verstanden xD
@@NikolaTesla-lw1iu Ja, wir haben nicht verstanden. Welche Stadt komme dich? Ich bin ein Amerikaner, aber Phil kennt nicht Deutsch sprechen. Nicht so geil auf Phil.
@@LoverKittey you should try another translator buddy ;)
Aber tbh ich habs auch ned verstanden oder war zu sehr damitbeschäftigt über die mvp testbench Situation zu lachen :D
That Rammstein bit made my day haha absolutely your content Jay, you and your team work so hard and educate the masses and keep us up to date on all the tech of today and the future.
This is a call to have heavy music playing every time a compare and contrast scene is on our screen! xD
Thank you for that.
hi there, this is a great video, can you offer any insights whether its worth upgrading RAM on an old office style computer, lots of applications open and heavy browser use. would it be worth upgrading?
0:11couldn’t stop laughing as a German😂😂
Anfang war ganz gut nur danach konnte man garnicht mehr verstehen 😂
Das sollte deutsch sein? 😂
Musste auch laut lachen! Was war das für eine Sprache?
Strange language, but I had to laugh out loud.
What does it mean please help me
Er hat... ;-)
Jay: "take a trip down that path"
Me: missed opportunity! he should have said "take a trip down memory lane"!
acstache12 damn you! Came here to say this lol
Agreed!!
was going to say same thing lol
Probably because of dumb copyright.
😭😭😭
Holy Shit, when he continued singing Rammstein after Jay said "Du hast" I almost shit myself laughing.
You dont know how grateful i am man. Thanks for the tips
Yeah I would like to see a Ryzen CPU with this same test. Maybe a 3700x or even a 3800x if you have them.
of course they have them lol
i'm runnig a 3800x and upped my RAM speed from 3200mhz to 3600mhz, gained 200pts in CB-R20
I would love to see an AMD test with this
80sblackguy Ryzen benefits heavily off faster ram, don’t use this advice for Ryzen based systems..
Gamers Nexus did a video recently
@sub1ime81 what’s the reason for switching the ratio from stock 1:1 to 2:1?
@@yurtttttt96 it's a limitation of Zen 2 memories controllers. Basically an overclock very few chips can hit.
@@yurtttttt96 It's how the CPU bridge works for current gen AMD, Kinda hard to explain in a comment, depends silicon lottery, some motherboard will allow 3733 or 3800 at 1:1, but it's probably safer to just stick with 3600
Hey Jay, I just recently decided to go into my bios on my PC and change my RAM speed. (I’m new to PC, and I finally felt confident enough that I knew I what I was doing), and I have G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32gb (4x8gb). Once I set the speed to 3600MHz I saw at least a 50 fps increase in COD MW 2019 in multiplayer at least. I don’t really play Warzone.
thank you i love this :) an moved my second dim to slot 5 so now its dual channel omg
I kinda would like to see if manualy tuning the memory timings makes a huge difference vs. just enabling the xmp, but a similar video, just with a Ryzen CPU, would be great too.
It made a huge difference for my Ryzen 2600, but that's "first gen". I dont think it makes a big difference on Ryzen 3000. But it would be interesting. Check out hardware unboxed. I think they made a video about it.
I would like to see how
@@1wexwimpy There's a tool you can use, I forgot the name but it's calculating all the possible timings for you. It's called DRAM Calculator or something like that. Unfortunately this didn't work for me, so I manually tweaked the most important timings and subtimings myself. But be aware. That needs a lot more patience than CPU overclocking. Almost every time you go too far, you need to reset your CMOS by removing the battery of your motherboard.
Sandkasten36 don’t know how the 2600 is first gen... considering the 1600 is first gen.
Sandkasten36 actually scratch my comment cause i just heard Jay explain it😂😂
Huh, I did not know that "auto" does no selects best timing settings. Thanks for the tip.
Can u make a vid about hot adjust basic ram timings/voltages? great vid
Will it help with video editing? Thoughts. Can you test a transcode
8:18 XMP Profile. Xtreme memory profile profile...
Need an LCD display? :D
Since 2017 when i upgraded from core i5 2500k and 12 gb 1600 mhz to ryzen 7 1700 and 16 gb ddr4 3200mhzcl15 evrything loads much faster so yes i will say it matters.
Hey guys! Remember CD and DVD disks?
smh my head
@@axelolord VHS?
Ah yes, the yearly "does RAM speed matter" video
every tech youtuber make this video every year like ram technology significant changes.
Running out of content, something to do atleast
I forget every year lol
I somehow get dragged back to these vids as if they might change this year. I am always looking to upgrade. Just need a reason to prove it wil enable my PC to perform better. Shit i literally have upgraded 6 times since 3000mhz was in style. Now i'm at 4400mhz which seems like a good spot for now. Who uses 1080p nowadays? I haven't had a 1080p monitor in 10 years
@@Sidowse Did you actually watch that? What do you think the Cinebench and Blender Benchmarks are representative for?
Jay comparing shoes: "We needed to know how it ran on a flat surface with medium gravel under 85°F conditions going up a 5° incline in 40% humidity. So we bought 12 different shoes; three of them will test our socks for wear and tear, three will test the laces, two we will throw off a cliff, and the last four we're going to strap to a cheetah."
Hi Jay, can you make a vid on what the difference is between speeds in RAM, CPU, video cards, and memory across and along platforms. Speed is a metric that gets confusing even though its supposed to be really simple to follow when building or buying a pc.
“Extremely memory and memory-speed dependent-“
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About to see whether 2400 MHz vs. 3000 MHz makes a difference with my 259 Chrome tabs.
@@-SUM1- Well... Did it?
@@KartheekTammana123 it would appear his computer pull a Jay test bench
F in chat
Also Escape from Tarkov
All my years and this is the first time I have heard the uefi access from os trick.
Heard it at Barnacules first 😂
Me too but still it didnt work
XMP for noobz, better OC and set timings manually.
@@Directx11cool this guy knows... Trust me, because I do exactly that for over 20 years
@@Directx11cool how so you can get more mhz? how u overclock manually is there much difference
Shift + Clic restart is something i didn't knew and i wished for so long that it was available.
Thanks Jay, my DEL Key is also thanks you. :D
You see all kinds of these videos, but when Jay does one-equals you better tune in. This guy is the best!
Just one game. Cities:Skylines. The Crusher of Cpu & mem when modded or with assets
Firedflesh Seconded, I’ve heard of heavy duty modders recommending 16 or 32 gig setups just to load
@@lucasbarrett8137 IM AT 16gs and my town is a nightmare to scroll through with zoom maxed out, 25 tiles
@@lucasbarrett8137 yup i need all of my 32gb
Came here to mention CS. 👍 would love to see some testing on higher speed and more capacity on this title.
GTA V is extremely ram sensitive as well
Love to see an AMD comparison. I'd be curious to see what else I can get out of my 3900X!
Ryzen really likes higher memory speeds. There are tons of benchmarks out there
@@Law0fRevenge High speed and fast cl timing. 3600 mhz and cl 14 is the best I think. Unless you spend a ton on cl 14 ram that can go faster, but that speed is reasonable for no overclock.
@@Law0fRevenge ryzen doesnt like high memory speed. It´s not intel. Ryzen likes the mid range speeds with super tight subtimings. Keep seeing this dumbfuck trend on the internet, where ppl keep recomending to OC ryzen and buy memory with high speeds.
A micron e-die kit at 3600cl16-18-18-38 that costs like 10 bucks more than a 3200 lpx vengeance at 3200mhz on ryzen 1000/2000 series or 3600mhz on ryzen 3000 series and tight timings with thighter subtimings will give you max gains for each respective platform.
200mhz more on the CPU, gets you another 3-5 fps more, but for those last 200mhz you have to push from 0.05v to 0.1v and sometimes even more.
Ryzen is not intel!!! get it in your stone heads!!!
Ionut Daniel Serban ok jackass
@@ionutdanielserban9498 3600mhz cl18 beats 3200mhz cl16. So yeah, ryzen really likes higher clock speed ram. Obviously timings matter, but higher clock speeds still provide better performance even with the same timings.
I'm gonna subscribe with the hope that some day I might actually understand what you're talking about. Doesn't help that I'm not a gamer...
Great video. Would have been nice to actually see the diminishing returns benchmarked.
4:07 so, after a "simple reboot" u know it's "really easy"
I've been making my own PCs for 2 decades, never knew about the Shift click on the restart menu. I feel dumb.
yup imagine my face
It actually only works for windows 8 and above.
@@jackcampbell3133 Probably UEFI as well... I haven't upgraded in TEN years, I still have legacy BIOS boot. I live a simple life. LOL
Dual rank 2x16 or 4x8 configuration is the way to go. For ryzen zen 3, 3600cl14/16 to 3800cl14/16 is optimal, while 3600cl14 for zen 2. Intel 8th gen or newer can really crank up dual rank ram speeds to 4000cl16 fairly comfortably. For 64gb, I think there’s a 4x16gb g skill trident kit at 3600cl14, but that really strains the cpu imc a lot. Could go with crucial ballistix (non max for dual rank) 2x32 3600cl16 for cheaper option. Word of caution, Samsung b die ram kits are very temperature sensitive esp at 1.5V and above. Always have active cooling like a fan blowing directly on the ram sticks if you are seriously oc Ing at these voltages.
XMP vs no XMP is a pretty big difference though. I would have liked to seen something like 3000 mhz vs 3200 mhz. Or DDR4 3600 mhz vs DDR5 6000
This video is 2 years old dude lol. DDR5 was too new at the time of testing.
Bro that's a Video From Two years ago... there are many people that already did what you seek for so just search it up
@@aerogami Oh My bad didn't know someone wrote the same kind od Comment i did haha
I wanted to see 4 x 3200 Mhz VS 2 x 3200 Mhz or 2 x 3600 Mhz
@@leoleo-sp1dbdepends on the soc of your cpu. 4 dimms did not work properly on my 2700x but works fine on my 3600
The same test using AMD would be appreciated very much.
Surely nobody has ever emailed him asking "hey do I need slow ram"
Sam maddison more like “how fast of ram do I need?”
i wouldn't be surprised if someone did
It's more "how much am I missing out from stock RAM speeds"
How much d-d-d-d-dedicated WAM do I need?
Gonna give you my subscribe!!
Nice advice 👍
AMD- & Memory-Speedtests?
Sure i want to see it! And of Cause:
The comparison between INTEL and AMD.
Imagine if Jay added a third option: higher manual overclock with optimized sub timings. That brings a lot more performance benefit than any XMP profile or CPU overclock.
@@marceldiezasch6192 Manual overclockers probably dont make up a very big portion of jays viewerbase. Most of those people are watching the professional overclockers. And Jay is a dope (Which is to say goof) that explains these things in english.
@@vortraz2054 I can definitely say I don't really do manual overclocks with ram. I tend to always cause a no boot situation or high level of instability. So it's usually just easier not to.
jay is a goof, ranked 6th on time spy extreme. not professional overclocker, ok
@@rothguard8692 Keyword Profession
Why love this channel: There us always something that happens at the best possible timing in order to make things entertaining.
Assuming the computer works
*ERROR BEEPS*
I built my PC in 2019 3 years ago and while I was aware of all of this it wasn't until today that I finally realized I never actually did this to my RAM.
Thanks for reminding me about this, was watching another video and you mentioned XMP at some point. I totally forget to change that when I set my PC up, I had my overclock all good but mustn't of selected it or something haha thank you. 6800k still going solid on air for the last 5 years at 5ghz :D
nobody:
Jay: NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN
german jay
0:10 him: Singing some German rock
Me:
20 seconds later:
Me: Wait, this was my language
Jonah rammstein u idiot its not just “some german rock” 🤦♂️
Hahaa dachte ich mit auch grade
haha dachte ich mir auch :D
Ging mir genau so
@@aarona5839 ikr "rock" its fucking metal xD
I would love to see the benchmarks with Planetside 2, a very CPU intensive game and the bigger the battles the higher the drag on performance with RAM and textures really depend on high speed RAM.
No Mans Sky too
GREAT Vid! Question, is dimm ddr3 ram better( faster) then normal ddr3 ram ?
"CLick+Shift+Restart; Brings you to troubleshoot" Where you've been all my life...
lol i went to itt they did not even teach me that
Been there since Windows 8 iirc
It's also very useful if you ever find yourself in a situation where you want something like Ubuntu as a different boot option.
Jay-Z two cents so has taught me so much about overclocking and what it means and this and that my very first time I overclock a video card I scrambled it I had multi colors colors on the Monitor and it was done I had to buy another a video card like even getting it back working with a putting a new one in and then putting that one back in it still never worked right now I have a 1650 e Vega the one that's $169 with six pin for the extra power and I got it clock overclocked I don't know like it's it's running really good although I do need a new motherboard because it does have DDR3 1600 megahertz not very good at all stock Ram
Where are you from Olivier?
Cities skylines has crazy crazy memory hogging. My RAM is almost 100% playing on a large city.
and what is your ram total capacity..?
Up to 65 million americans won't receive those trumpbux
@@user-zu1ix3yq2w poes
what
I never played City Skylines but I read that people want 32 Gigs of RAM to play with mods in City Skylines.
You should test on midrange GPU like 1650 Super or 1660 Super. Would be nice to prove that memory speed is irrelevant when you have 100% gpu usage, which is commonly what happens with midrange cards.
that’s not midrange
@@scyifi low end af?
@@derekhatakethey were low end when they came out then 6 months later they belonged in the trash.
I'm just getting into PC gaming and thanks to you and Linus(LTT) I've XMP'd and haven't looked back! Thanks for the tips!
game called Factorio is very memory dependent and it is easy to make consistent tests in it
its sand box game you can speed up game using simple in game commands or use bigger base to hit test bench harder
Yup. Though you'd need to find a larger built up base to test it with. Also your main metric would be UPS (updates per second) and not FPS. As it more about how fast the simulator can update. And make sure you stick with a single version of the game as the dev's are always improving the efficiency of the simulator.
Yes do same thing with AMD plz! On Ryzen 1st Gen and 2nd Gen.
Pretty sure LTT already did this.
There should be a lot of documentation for first gen by now. Especially on sites like overclockers.net
I'd definitely wanna see Ryzen 3xxx tests though. Possibly even 2xxx tests.
@@ArtisChronicles I'm currently checking this out myself tbh, I have a kit of 3200mhz cl 14-14-14-34 ram (gonna tighten it to 14-14-14-30), so I'm really interested in the results
I’m running a 2700X on a gigabyte ax370 gaming 5 mobo, running 4 sticks of 8gb. Each stick is rated at 3000mhz, but when I run all 4 sticks, the best I can get is 2666mhz@1.4V. When I run just 2 sticks, it runs at the 3000mhz. What could I do you get faster clocks out of my ram?
Does RAM speed make difference in music production software where almost all processes are sequential and only single-core CPU performance matters?
YES. Single core programs need that ram OC and also ryzen 5 is better for single core programs
@4:41 not sure if you guys noticed when Jay says "When you speed up the memory" you can hear a car speeding up in the background and the engine roaring! lol perfect timing!