So funny coincidence , I'm basically 90% done with building that nearly identical rig and totally had questions about whether or not i should buy another 2 sticks of RAM and how to set them up in the bios, etc.... then I found this helpful video! (Fractal north, I91400K, 2X32 GIG T CREATE, Proart z790, NZXT Kraken, GPU to be ordered next week)
This was a very insightful and helpful video. These are the kinds of videos that I like to see because I think building can be rather easy but it's the fine tuning after the the build when I find videos like these helpful.
Good to see more videos coming out on the trials of running 4 dimm kits. For the longest time all I could find out was that xmp only worked on 2dimm. (Which obviously would have swayed my purchase decisions had I know up front). But just recently found another video explaining how to get xmp to work with 4 dimm. The only other difference on that one was to slightly bump the voltage settings to increase stability. Was able to get my 5600 dominator kits to run stable at 5200 on a 12700k and z690 strix board.
My advice (if you want to save headache like me) is get 2 ram sticks (2 x 48gb) to give you 96gb ram with high speeds and xmp. It's a shame that Intel and the motherboard manufacturers don't address this issue but I stick to 2 ram sticks to avoid all the problems with 4 sticks and xmp.
Great video! The bots in the comments section are crazy nowadays. At least make sense of what you said. The comment isn’t applicable to the video… whatsoever.
Should probably explain abit more about motherboards. From recent experience of buying an Aorus Z790 elite, and thru several crashes and research, I've found out that the motherboard makers these days overoptimise their overclocking profiles and remove certain voltage and power limits when you overclock the CPU and/or RAMs. This causes instability at high clock speeds on both sides and may even end up damagit components. I"ve had to spend several hours reading up on motherboards, cpus and ram and tweaking bios settings in order to find a somewhat stable compromise in the bios settings where i can overclock the CPU(14900kf) and get my RAM (2x32GB at 6000mhz) speed up to 80% of its overclocking potential (any higher and I end up crashing whatever games im playing).
I have an i9 13900 KS, with 128 GB of RAM at 5,600 mhz. I was getting blue screen on some boots, but then I enabled "Windows fast start up", and I have never gotten another blue screen. It saves the settings, so the RAM doesn't have to "retrain" every boot. Am I going to hard on my RAM? (MSI z790 Carbon motherboard)
@@white_lizard I still didn't like how I had to do a work around, just to make it stable, so I just changed to 5,000 mhz, because I have 4 sticks of 128 GB of RAM. Only time will tell if this fixes it.
incorrect: You start to worry about RAM speed when you will have corrupted data or when you have BSOD. For gamers it doesn't matter that much as you can download and re-install games, but for anybody working on computer and need to be sure that data that have been created will be correct and can be used, then it should matter as that is no fun to have hours of work just going to waste. RAM speed have much more impact on video encoders (that make use of CPU), then for any other kind of apps. That is why usually see benchmark where x264 are used to measure how much of improvement going to a faster CPU will do or how much impact RAM will have while working on larger files like video editing or large databases.
True for gamers. You can spend more time and money into your cpu and gpu and make way bigger gains. For video editing, plugin-heavy music production, and running local AI on cpu, the speed really helps.
1. Windows 11 with 4 banks of 16GB each will use only 32GB most of the time. 2. 64GB assures that there is free memory available which does help. 3. The memory controller will only feel stressed if it's maximum speed and voltage are exceeded. 4. Faster memory uses less voltage and provides more bandwidth.
Build a machine with a AMD 7700, needed 192Gb and had to be uATX board due to space limitations. So i had no choice in faster ram or better board. I just did buy something that was vendor checked to get a stable system. But indeed if you need less and can do it with only 2 sticks then you can get more speed easy.
Asus Z790 MoBo´s have 2 XMP profiles, XMP 1 & XMP 2. My 6000Mhz CL30 2x16GB kit worked on both XMP profiles but on XMP 1 profile I notice stuttering in games. When I changed it to XMP 2 profile the stutter disappeared. XMP 1 profile is an Asus tweaked profile and XMP 2 profile is the RAM manufacturer profile. I advise you to go first for the XMP 2 profile.
I posses almost an identical setup. It's definitely the most optimal for gaming at 6,000 CL30 32GB DDR5 (on our specific setups). We could get away with 7,200 CL34 but I have never heard of anyone not having stability issues. I cannot wrap my head around why anyone would try to load a 4 stick ram kit trying to achieve the highest amount of ram without understanding how it affects performance.
So many boards will set horrible settings when allowed to manage ram as "auto" even though you are hitting higher MHz, latency may even decrease with loose settings! Always good to use CPU-Z to check how your ram is actually running versus the XMP setting options listed in the SPD tab. To calculate RAM latency, multiply the CAS latency by 2000 then divide by the data rate.
I have a i5 14600KF and an MSI Z790-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI, and I just selected similar XMP profile like you, with 2x16GB 6.000Mhz and CL32 and working without any problem.
On Ryzen 7000 I see no performance scaling (except minimum FPS in games) from going DDR5 4800 to 6000. Better timings does improve performance, but what about stability? How can be 100% sure you are using a stable system for working that should not crash? I am more concerned about stability than performance nowadays. EDIT: For granted stability the best bet is using JEDEC specifications. That way your RAM would have a hefty extra margin for working reliably, as doing RAM overclocking is like going to the edge without falling and satay there.
You check if it's stable really quickly using OCCT and a couple other software tools, really easy. You can't be lazy about it and need to put in the work. If i stuck to JDEC standards i would be losing about 10% performance or more.
For guaranteed stability without stress testing, use DDR5-5200 which is Ryzen 7000's default speed. AMD recommends DDR5-6000 as the sweet spot that every system with 2 sticks of RAM and a decent motherboard with an up to date BIOS should be able to hit at this point without any problems. As with any overclock, even at the sweet spot company-recommended speed, you should run a few stress tests to make sure it is stable. Buildzoid usually starts with Geekbench (6 was the latest as of last year when I built my PC and 5 was the previous one but still supported and usable), then a memory specific test such as Y-Cruncher and AIDA 64 Extreme. I used his Zen 4 Hynix RAM timings with manual overclock to 6000 MT/s and tested with Geekbench 6 then AIDA 64 Extreme and Y-Cruncher (Multi-core memory test with 5 billion decimals of Pi and no errors). I also tested with Geekbench 5 just to compare it to my old Geekbench tests with the Ryzen 5 2600 and Ryzen 7 3700X. Once all that is done the next thing to go about your normal routine. RAM overclocks (and CPU overclocks) should not only be stable during benchmarks and games but also when your PC is idle.
Interesting information. I just upgraded my memory to four sticks of CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 RAM 64GB (4x16GB) 5600MHz CL36 Intel XMP . I searched the ASUS support page to find a compatible memory kit with four sticks to run in my ASUS ROG Strix Z-690 E Wi-Fi motherboard. I have an updated BIOS to support the i9 13900K CPU I recently got. The system reports it's running at the advertised speed and there really have been no hiccups. I kind of held my breath at start-up but it booted right into Windows the first time and I have run a few stressor benchmarks with no issues. It helps to consult your motherboard support page to find compatible RAM but maybe I also got lucky.
Great series of Videos, subscribed to your channel and great content that I will use going forward, hope you don't mind that you are very kind, explain things easy especially for me being bit of Villager / Dunce and you do remind me that you look like German F1 driver Mick Scumacher
Enable PMIC (ON Asus)which handles and trains each stick instead of the group of sticks as a whole. Lower the voltage to 1.25 or on some boeards/memory sticks it will go as low as 2.0 volts and run higher. You do not have to clear CMOS. Poer off and ho back into BIOS O
Thanks for another great video - will observe / absorb this info before building my M2 I7 G14 Machine - especially on XMP on/off and selecting appropriate / Max stable Memory speed. I7 G14 Up to 5600 Mhz Native but my motherboard can address more / less depending on ram used and how many memory channels I used up. For me will use 2 x 32 Gb one per channel, = 64 Gb
i reused my old ddr4 ram in my new budget workstation and the only thing that matters for rendering is the amount of ram (64gb). This way i saved tons of money for no real speed gain and silly blinking RGB ram.
i have the same memory Ram pair with the Ryzen 7800X3D AND GIGABYTE X670 AORUS Motherboard the Ram was running at MHz 4800 I was about to return these rams when i found your video thanks to you my Rams is running at MHz6000.
Tech Notice, I have seen everywhere people saying that you should only run 2 sticks because quad channel is a thing of the past and you can hurt the performance of your ram by adding another kit of ram into your pc, utilizing all of your slots? It's also been stated more over that using 2 kits can cause instability (i had wondered if tinkering meant you could bypass this instability of 2 "same" but not same kits installed into your pc. You may go over this point in your video). I do video and design work and i'd love a 2nd kit in my PC but these statements always stopped me from getting another kit. What do you say to this? (I'll continue watching and if you address them/answer them and I understand, i'll delete this comment)
Hmmmmmmmmm. I'd still like to know why you think it's still OKAY to run more than 2 sticks, like what use cases. Clearly you're doing it and it's "creator" based but you would thing if there's issues doing it that creators wouldn't want to risk having a worse time "creating" on their system and therefore avoid 4 sticks anyway. Also still curious what you think when people (and manufacturers) state that two kits of the same model is a bad idea. You've clearly done it, what are your thoughts?
My rig is pretty much maxed out across the board. The only thing I left stock is my graphics card. specs : CPU - 7800x3d Gpu - 4090 strix oc Ram - teamgroup 7200mhz cl34-42-42-84 1.4v 32gb (oc’d to 7400mhz)
guys just for principle never reset the cmos with a pen or screw driver..any metal object, do it with a pencil or a toothpick, you have no idea how many people had shorted and damage their motherboards because of this, my brother is a computer tech and in his 16 year fixing computers at least more than 10 clients have burned MB components because of this, even if you are careful never take the risk, no need. besides that great content, tx
Careful..even if ur motherboard allows 4 sticks of ram...on ddr5 you can use max 2 sticks..otherwise you won't be able to activate xmp..thats how ddr5 works..i have 14900k with 2×48 6800 t create expert..and it works great ( did some tweaking in bios for undervolting)
Where was this video when I knew way less, lol. (Teasing, learned a lot from your vids when I was in the, what's bios group? Teasing, It was the 80's when I didn't know that much, if they had bios then. LOL, but I never tried tweaking a system until late last year. Your interview with JJ was HUGE for me getting a few bits deeper into the "black arts" of memory OC. Maybe I tuned out, but I like to undervolt the memory if it can handle it, but sometimes it needs more voltage to handle more Mhz... not sure if you covered that, have a great one!) It's alright, you were entertaining even if I'm acting like a know it all now. LOL
2 questions: 1-On a z790 mobo with a 13700k or 13900k can you run 2 (2x32g) kits of ram for a total of 128gb? On older gen mobos companies like Corsair said you couldn't. You had to get 1 (4x32gb) kit. 2-Will premiere pro and davinci benefit from a raise of ram from 128gb to 192gb? Is it worth the Xtra $ if you can afford it or is it overkill.
Back in the day when I increased the RAM speed and didn’t get it stable I increased the voltage by 0.1V and is do this until it was table. Some times I needed to change the timing and make it slower. But it would actually not make a difference in game tests. If I got more FPS I accepted the lower timings in exchange for more MHz.
great vid as always! personally i use i9 13900 non k ver. along with kingston fury beast ddr5 5600 mhz running at stock 4800mhz and gigabyte b760 gaming x mobo. xmp always have a risk for blue screen or black screen, for stability i dont even set it. For gaming it is fine, but when you work on large files like me and you cpu and ram do alot work long time (for me like 3 to 5 hours workload on single project) its just not worth the effort. About timings and voltage dont even touch it, its relic of the past and you will loose more time and nerve setuping than profit and performance. Thanks again for great vid. Please do vid about multiple gpu for projects on one platform.
on my new amd ryzen 9 9900x and ram 6000 64gb 2x . i was having 4800 speed . i did what you said and now i am running 5600 just fine . wow .. wish many people know about this and save some money
Fantastic explainer and great video! Good stuff. Personally, I've built my own PCs and have gone through 4 generations of CPUs/Memory with DDR4->5->6 and have never been able to just click apply XMP and it works. I always have to configure it myself and lower the RAM speed by 200-400 mhz to get it stable, but it's fine because it's less than a 1% performance difference. If you want the smoothest editing experience: proxy your clips. You'll be able to edit FAST even on 10 year old hardware. I'm always stunned when video editors tell me they don't bother to proxy.
yes but even with proxies, if you use a lot of sound design, VFX and titles it will struggle with a 10 year old computer. But yeah for basic edits you'll be fine ;)
I have a question. I have the msi z790 gaming plus wifi that supports up to 7200mhz ram. I have the 7200mhz corsair dominator but the xmp boosts it to 7400mhz while my motherboard supporte 7200mhz ? Is this ok?
I accidentally bought a 7600 mhz set of ram for my MSI z790 and 13900k, when I xmp them I get blue screen, when I manually set the ram to 7000mhz no more blue screen, but I didn't change the timings or voltage when I did this but bios shows it running at 7000mhz, my question is am I still getting more performance than my old 5600mhz set that was running xmp?
Hi, I have a question about which motherboard is better for my brother. (Unfortunately, he does have a budget limit) My brother is a video editor like you, and he wants to buy a new PC for himself. He wants to get the Asus ProArt B760 WIFI DDR5 with an i5 13400. But my question is, which motherboard do you suggest for him: 1. PROART B760 Wi-Fi DDR5 2. Prime Z790-P Wi-Fi DDR5 Which one offers greater reliability for the future and more potential for future upgrades?
There is no such thing like 10k 6k or 3k mhz DRAM. If you have cpu 5gh and ram 5 ghz then there won't be any delays to get to the memory like in old days when cas, or cl if you like, was 0 because both ram and cpu had the same mhz speed, but nowadays there is lots of delays because ram mhz won't much cpu mhz.
If you have enough Ram overall, increasing a DDR5 kit from 4800Mhz to the XMP/EXPO profile 6000 speed will not create a noticeable difference in gaming workloads.
What are you doing? Your XMP is running at 1,3V? This is way too little Voltage for 4 Dimms. Try 1.35 or 1.4V on the Dimms and The IMC Voltage to 1.1-1.15V, 1.2V Max
I don't bother with the CMOS on my Asus board, if you press reset 3 or 4 times it will start with default settings to let you change it and if that doesn't work turning it off and on a couple of times brings it back to a default state. My CMOS jumper is hidden by my GPU's heatsink so it's handy to know this.
Fast is nice, reliable is much better. Run mem tests and several performance tests. Back a few years the Prime95 torture test could detect a lot of memory compatibility problems. It often could find problems that Memtest or Memtest86+ couldn't detect if run for 24 hours. Don't know about the current status though. Oh and the figures mentioned as five and six Giga Gerts were technically wrong. The numbers shown were Mega Transfers Per Second, not Mega Cycles Per Second. Yes it's usually called MHZ but that doesn't mean it's right. The actual frequencies are a lower as this is Double Data Rate memory. So the actual bus frequencies are half the number. The question may be if this matters, and in most cases it really doesn't. Just be aware that if a manufacturer lists 6000 Mt/s and another 6000 MHz they are both talking about the same thing, just that the first uses the correct Mega Transfer per Second instead of the incorrect Mega Hertz. Now one more thing that I can't remember were mentioned here were the secondary memory timings. RAM speed and stability is not only dependent on the secondary timings. If you look at the video at 9:30 you can see that XMP I lists two possible options. There is DDR5-6000 34-44-44-84-2N-1.30V-1.30V and DDR5-5600 40-40-40-84-2N-1.30V-1.30V The numbers after 6000 and 5600 is the timings. The primary is the first, also often called Cas Latency or CL. The rest are secondary timings. As seen they can be higher or lower. In general you want the lower numbers as that means the memory will work faster. But using a higher number can sometimes make a memory work more reliably or work at all. The question if using higher timings to make a higher frequency work with your memory, motherboard and CPU will make it faster than using lower timings and lower frequency is a tough matter I won't try to address here, but lets say it's not a simple question. Now these timings can be manually adjusted in the BIOS, but it's something best left to people involved with intense overclocking as it can get quite advanced. Staying with the XMP values are usually the simplest bet. Oh, and what is shown in the video is technically not the BIOS. Technically that motherboard is using UEFI instead of BIOS, and technically what is shown isn't the UEFI but the UEFI Setup Utility. It is the same with a BIOS. What you use to change the settings is the BIOS Setup Utility. It used to be that these were programs you ran from a floppydisk, but having the menu systems included with the BIOS is so much easier that it became a standard practice. Yes I know, semantics. But sometimes it's hard to draw the line where it's OK to shift the usage of words. Also it's sometimes good to know the differences between common practice and the original names.
I had a weird thing happen on a PC I just built. Its an MSI Z790, i5 12600k, 32GB DDR5 T Force Delta 6400mhz 16x2, RTX 4070. I set the XMP to what I now know is the wrong speed, I had it set to 6000mhz, but never had any kind of problem at all. No crashes, no failures to post, nothing out of the ordinary. I went into the MSI Center app to overclock through the MSI Creator APP and not through the BIOS. I can see the specs of each individual RAM stick. 1 was running at the proper 6000mhz, the second, according to MSI Creator, was running at 200 mhz. I went into the BIOS and set the XMP to the proper 6400mhz and turned on RAM performance mode. Now Creator says both sticks are running at the proper 6400mhz. IDK what that was about?? I had benchmarked it before changing the XMP, but didn't record the scores, so I cant really tell if one stick was actually running at 200mhz, or if something was just bugged in the MSI overclocking software, I do know how many FPS I was getting in some games I play, I can ck to see if that has improved. I thought 2 mismatched RAM sticks would run at the rated speed of the slowest stick, in which case both my RAM sticks would have been running at 200mhz, which does not seem to be the case. When I did benchmark the system the ranking of the score was right where I would have expected it to be, say a bit slower than a 13th gen i5. Very odd. The ASUS BIOS looks so much nicer than the MSI BIOS. I'm sure most of the options are the same, just looking at yours the options are presented in a much clearer fashion. On MSI BIOS you really have to dig through the settings to find anything.
Hi, but my question is: how can I know that the ram speed I'm setting is better than the one that the bios says is better in default? There is a software where I can test default and expo and how to read to understand if I am having a better result for real? Thanks, and finally a great video explanation of what we are doing
Your looking for latency 6000mhz cl30 has a ram latency of 10ns 6000mhz cl28 has a ram latency of 9.33ns latency says the second is better due to lower ns AIDA64 has ram benchmarks which gives you a lot of information but they have significant variables, you can get wide swings just at random. That said lower latency is best when it comes to ram, 2500mhz cl10 has a ram latency of 8ns and it would beat 6000mhz cl28 just due to the latency alone even tho 2500mhz cl10 would be DDR3 speeds (though those times are not possible) but my point is speed matters as much as ram latency. CAS latency is not ram latency however ram speed plus CAS determines ram latency.
Hello Sir, I have two questions for you: I would like to know whether to put in a mobo that has a DDR5 6000mhz RAM limit, inserting a pair of 7200mhz RAM and setting it for example to 5800 with the XMP profile from the BIOS; this Motherboard is about to start. I definitely have to set the Timings different from the default ones. Or would you boot the operating system in SPD and that's it? Second question: in an Asus B660M motherboard prepared with DDR5 RAM and with Intel 12th gen. CPU, Can it work with a pair of Cas type RAMs with 30cl latency? Or the Timing must be reset if bios doesn't detect them? Not all brands should work, even Non-QVL. Those who can try various types of kits know this. I hope you answer me. Advice? Thanks and have a good day
I have an 8600g and probably only enable xmp when playing heavy games. Does the processor and mother suffer more if I activate and deactivate xmp often or would it suffer more if I leave it activated all the time?
If your motherboard vrms/mosfets aren't overheating (no AM5 should be with an 8600G imho) then turning it off isn't necessary. I'd keep it on unless you are getting a lot of crashes with it on.
11:20 Does the ASUS motherboards that bad? On my ASRock motherboard if the RAM changes does not work it just automatically resets bios settings and put a warning which then loads bios. The same was with MSI motherboard
Well I have to stop you right here. You have made a few statements that, well, are simply wrong. I know you are just throwing out generalities like raindrops - but, 12th 13th? I believe you mean well. But pretty much, it takes less than a minute to say - use XMP settings in the BIOS and let the chip set do the rest. I have an air cooled i7-7700 in an old ASRock MB running 32GB XMP DDR4 3600 (18 22 22 42 & 2T) stable at 3900 12 12 12 28 1T. ... that's 7 generations back, with rare exceptions - nearly 100% up time. The simple truth is, you can't make assumptions like that. You are correct, most DRAM with the high numbers are over clocked profiles (maybe that's what the "OC" by that high numbers. Both ASRock & Intel say max DDR4 is 2400. (Bonus: imho - most computer issues can be avoided by staying away from AMD or Asus. - 😅) p.s. - memory is far too complicated and diverse to try to make a single video. It's pretty much - a [computer] case by case discussion.
Heres a Mistake i made, put the ram in the wrong slots, i put in 1a and 2a should of been in 1b and 2b i have always filled the slots, first time in 30 years i used less than normal for the speed. XMP wouldn't work, when in the A slots. First position made sense to me.
I running Corsair 6000Mhz DDR5 2x sticks with 13700k first I had a problem with my ProArt Z790 motherboard but after a couple of firmware updates Asus fixed everything and now I have zero problems running XMP. I do mostly photography 64GB is plenty for my needs. I can get up to 50GB RAM usage if I apply something like radial blur filter in Photoshop. I'm shocked how much Lightroom can load your GPU with AI noise reduction. I like to run my low light wedding images through AI noise reduction my RTX4080 gets pinned to the max at 100% utilisation.
I wish I had know this before. However I bought DDR 4 ram and I don't think they had high capacity sticks at that time. Side note, can one put DDR 4 ram in a newer machine? Would it run the ram faster without compromising the stability?
Hi from my works 1 time i have corsair 6000mhz ram ddr5 modeboard asus b760 gaming wifi i put enable to my works like 6.000 mhz but i need ask good to my system not kill samthing ???its save
So, for the best RAM performance, it's best to distribute your capacity between 2 sticks instead of 4, unless you want to dig around in the BIOS. That's interesting. My first instinct would be to fill all the RAM slots for maximum performance. By the way, are there any applications that use that RAM capacity displayed in your task manager? My Windows 11 laptop has 64 GB of DDR4, but it barely pushes 8 GB.
I recently heard that it's bad to buy two 2xkit RAM even if are the same model than 4xkit? I have I9-14900K and Z790 Dark Hero, just build it and not yet XMP enabled. I currently have two CMP32GX5M2X7200C34, so 64Gb. Is it safe to try XMP or should I switch to 2x32Gb?
What I learned about building an Intel system in 2024... Compromise!!! Adapt!! get used to it and repeat. I moved around my AIO radiator then added three more fans. Now I'm using push pull intake instead of exhaust and I am running cooler.
Just checked Intel ark for my I5-13400F and it says up to 4800MT/s for DDR5 but in windows and BIOS it says is at XMP on 5200Mhz which is the promoted speed on the Ram kit, also wonder if worth to increase that XMP to 5800Mhz in this XPG Lancer 32G (2 sticks)
The lottery is not only about imc, but the ram itself. Manufacturers use different chips for different skus, and particularly with amd choosing the right ram may be the difference between getting what you want or failing miserably. Bottom line: unless you really really need it, is easier to forget about it. It's more rocket science+luck now.
Just saying i was sucking this issues with my new computer for a month first i bought corsair vengance 7200 4 out of 6 kits was faulty one pair worked. Anyhow after that i changed to corsair titan something, but in both cases you can reach the named value but telling to your bios it is a 6000 is not enough, you have to go to advanced settings and raise the voltage with 0.05 in vram and vdram and also tell to bios to handle independently the ram voltages not synchronise. if you do those changes (worked for the good Vengance and for the Titan also) than bios able to train and than win able to boot in the expected rate
192 GB man,... What are you doing with such a monster PC? My best guess is that you also have 2x NVIDIA 4900 RTX and a i9 14k or latest KS proccesor! It's overkill for gaming so I guess you do video editing 😊.
@@CountPorcula yeah my last computer was for 4K editing... I was hoping to be able to edit 8K no problem but it does have a 4090 I literally just got it last month because micro center offered me a return on all my computer parts and a 10% discount if I bought a GPU.
I just added 2 more sticks to my system and it wouldn't even boot, all 4 were corsair vengeance ddr5 16gb 6000mhz. But 1 set was 36-36-36-72 and the other set was 36-44-44-96 and it wound not work at any speed.
Or you could buy yourself a little PC speaker that you can plug into your motherboard and as soon as you hear the "BEEP" you can start hitting the Del key. The little speaker costs less than £1 and takes most of the hassle out of getting into the BIOS. Better performing RAM is cheaper for AMD than for Intel. Intel can only run RAM in Gear 2 mode, which means that the memory controller in the CPU can only run at half of the data rate of the RAM. For instance, if you have DDR5 6000 then the data rate of that RAM (remember DDR stands for "Double Data Rate") is 3000 MHz and your Intel memory controller can only run at half of that which means 1500 MHz AMD can run RAM in Gear 1 mode, this means that the memory controller runs at the same speed as the Data Rate of your RAM. For the above example of DDR 6000 RAM, the Data Rate is 3000 and your AMD CPU's memory controller runs at 3000 MHz. So you get the equivalent performance of an Intel CPU running DDR5 8000 RAM in Gear 2 with an AMD CPU running DDR5 6400 in Gear 1. The guy from ASUS was always very fast to pivot away from AMD in the interview, I noticed.
Might be worth always repeating the fact that 32GB sticks (each) are currently always 'double sided' so equivalent apart from one address line load to two 16 GB sticks. Current memory chips are either 16 or 24 Gigabits so even 96GB kits will only run as if you had 4 sticks!
Hi, how are you? I have question please. I saw that the 2x48gb sticks are only most of all XMP Intel. I have a Ryzen 7900 is it possible to use them on Ryzen 7900? or must i buy a EXPO compatible ones? Or this thing on RAM about XMP and EXPO are just marketing and royalties thing? Thank you. :) Very nice content.
If you are willing to do some manual set up, it will probably work. I have an AMD CPU and I use it with 'Intel XMP' DDR4 ram at a faster speed than it said on the box. If you want one-click no worries easy peasy set up though, you should just get a kit with AMD EXPO.
if my cpu can run 5200MT/S and my motherboard can go to 6000MT/S , should i go and lower it to 5200 or keep it at 6000 , sry for the noob question and ty :) Ryzen 9 7900x , motherbord Gigabite b650 gaming x ax , 2x16gb 6000MT/s
Using 14700K on Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX motherboard with 16*2 GSkill Ripjaws 6000MHz CL30 RAM kits. With XMP enabled PC starts fine works blazing fast but once I try to run heavy tasks for longer periods with Premiere Pro or Aftereffects I am getting BSOD. Have just reset the RAM speeds to 4800MHz let's see how it works.
Best advice as a DDR5 user......don't buy them and set them up for quad channel because you'll never fix it because it will always give you an boot error. AKA black screen even if you update the bios setting too with USB-Flash boot. Just buy two ram of 32 RB that is 64GB RAM. Instead getting all four of 16 GB RAM into all four slots, bad idea and no matter what theory it is. These new generation of gaming MB are too needy and a lot of incompatibility with certain hardware parts.
Thank you! I found this video to be very informative, clear, and easy to follow.
You're very welcome!
So funny coincidence , I'm basically 90% done with building that nearly identical rig and totally had questions about whether or not i should buy another 2 sticks of RAM and how to set them up in the bios, etc.... then I found this helpful video! (Fractal north, I91400K, 2X32 GIG T CREATE, Proart z790, NZXT Kraken, GPU to be ordered next week)
90% same as me. GPU ordering later aswell
My PC is not crashing, it's crushing!
Lucky you! ;)
@@theTechNotice buying too much ram since 1999 and it’s always paid off
This was a very insightful and helpful video. These are the kinds of videos that I like to see because I think building can be rather easy but it's the fine tuning after the the build when I find videos like these helpful.
Good to see more videos coming out on the trials of running 4 dimm kits. For the longest time all I could find out was that xmp only worked on 2dimm. (Which obviously would have swayed my purchase decisions had I know up front). But just recently found another video explaining how to get xmp to work with 4 dimm. The only other difference on that one was to slightly bump the voltage settings to increase stability. Was able to get my 5600 dominator kits to run stable at 5200 on a 12700k and z690 strix board.
Also consider some MBs have lower overall ram limits, for instance having a limit of 128gb as opposed to 192 gb. Or even 96 as opposed to 128.
Any board with 4 slots can run 192 GB with updated bios. Any.
My advice (if you want to save headache like me) is get 2 ram sticks (2 x 48gb) to give you 96gb ram with high speeds and xmp. It's a shame that Intel and the motherboard manufacturers don't address this issue but I stick to 2 ram sticks to avoid all the problems with 4 sticks and xmp.
Thanks for INFO and to OP as well; something that me being a newbie / builder didn't take much thought of to be honest.
Great video!
The bots in the comments section are crazy nowadays. At least make sense of what you said. The comment isn’t applicable to the video… whatsoever.
Running 2x48GB Corsair 6400 CL32 on a B660-I strix board feels so good. Crazy to think we can have 96gb high speed ram on a 2-ram slot B660 board
The thought alone makes me so hard.
Another useful video.
Thank you my friend.
Thanks dude! Worked the first time.
Should probably explain abit more about motherboards. From recent experience of buying an Aorus Z790 elite, and thru several crashes and research, I've found out that the motherboard makers these days overoptimise their overclocking profiles and remove certain voltage and power limits when you overclock the CPU and/or RAMs. This causes instability at high clock speeds on both sides and may even end up damagit components.
I"ve had to spend several hours reading up on motherboards, cpus and ram and tweaking bios settings in order to find a somewhat stable compromise in the bios settings where i can overclock the CPU(14900kf) and get my RAM (2x32GB at 6000mhz) speed up to 80% of its overclocking potential (any higher and I end up crashing whatever games im playing).
What did u clock ur cpu @‘? I’m interested 👀
This video is amazing and very detailed. I have a gigabyte z690 board and was able to follow along
for me you are making the most pleasing videos for pc tech i know
I have an i9 13900 KS, with 128 GB of RAM at 5,600 mhz. I was getting blue screen on some boots, but then I enabled "Windows fast start up", and I have never gotten another blue screen. It saves the settings, so the RAM doesn't have to "retrain" every boot.
Am I going to hard on my RAM? (MSI z790 Carbon motherboard)
Nice! Haven't tried this method yet!
@@white_lizard I still didn't like how I had to do a work around, just to make it stable, so I just changed to 5,000 mhz, because I have 4 sticks of 128 GB of RAM. Only time will tell if this fixes it.
Lauri, please ban that bot.
It's gone now, right?
@@theTechNotice Alhamdulillah, yes
@@theTechNoticewhich graphics card is good for video editing 4060 or 6750 GRE....???
There's no such thing as 6750 gre@@kindhuman4198
@@kindhuman41984060 💀💀💀 bro did you even does 3sec of research
Everything you need to know about RAM speeds: Don’t worry about RAM speeds. The end.
right on 😊
incorrect: You start to worry about RAM speed when you will have corrupted data or when you have BSOD. For gamers it doesn't matter that much as you can download and re-install games, but for anybody working on computer and need to be sure that data that have been created will be correct and can be used, then it should matter as that is no fun to have hours of work just going to waste.
RAM speed have much more impact on video encoders (that make use of CPU), then for any other kind of apps. That is why usually see benchmark where x264 are used to measure how much of improvement going to a faster CPU will do or how much impact RAM will have while working on larger files like video editing or large databases.
True for gamers. You can spend more time and money into your cpu and gpu and make way bigger gains.
For video editing, plugin-heavy music production, and running local AI on cpu, the speed really helps.
Unless you have AMD because the Infiniti bridge enjoys faster, memory
My game saw 20% fps jump when I upgraded the ram to have 20% faster speed
I'm sure it's a rare thing but it does happen
Thank you for this info man!!
1. Windows 11 with 4 banks of 16GB each will use only 32GB most of the time.
2. 64GB assures that there is free memory available which does help.
3. The memory controller will only feel stressed if it's maximum speed and voltage are exceeded.
4. Faster memory uses less voltage and provides more bandwidth.
Build a machine with a AMD 7700, needed 192Gb and had to be uATX board due to space limitations. So i had no choice in faster ram or better board. I just did buy something that was vendor checked to get a stable system. But indeed if you need less and can do it with only 2 sticks then you can get more speed easy.
Asus Z790 MoBo´s have 2 XMP profiles, XMP 1 & XMP 2. My 6000Mhz CL30 2x16GB kit worked on both XMP profiles but on XMP 1 profile I notice stuttering in games. When I changed it to XMP 2 profile the stutter disappeared. XMP 1 profile is an Asus tweaked profile and XMP 2 profile is the RAM manufacturer profile. I advise you to go first for the XMP 2 profile.
I posses almost an identical setup. It's definitely the most optimal for gaming at 6,000 CL30 32GB DDR5 (on our specific setups). We could get away with 7,200 CL34 but I have never heard of anyone not having stability issues. I cannot wrap my head around why anyone would try to load a 4 stick ram kit trying to achieve the highest amount of ram without understanding how it affects performance.
So many boards will set horrible settings when allowed to manage ram as "auto" even though you are hitting higher MHz, latency may even decrease with loose settings! Always good to use CPU-Z to check how your ram is actually running versus the XMP setting options listed in the SPD tab. To calculate RAM latency, multiply the CAS latency by 2000 then divide by the data rate.
I have a i5 14600KF and an MSI Z790-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI, and I just selected similar XMP profile like you, with 2x16GB 6.000Mhz and CL32 and working without any problem.
Nicely described,very informative. U just got a new subscriber. Carry on bro❤️🔥🔥
On Ryzen 7000 I see no performance scaling (except minimum FPS in games) from going DDR5 4800 to 6000.
Better timings does improve performance, but what about stability? How can be 100% sure you are using a stable system for working that should not crash?
I am more concerned about stability than performance nowadays.
EDIT: For granted stability the best bet is using JEDEC specifications. That way your RAM would have a hefty extra margin for working reliably, as doing RAM overclocking is like going to the edge without falling and satay there.
You check if it's stable really quickly using OCCT and a couple other software tools, really easy. You can't be lazy about it and need to put in the work. If i stuck to JDEC standards i would be losing about 10% performance or more.
@@Yolo_SwagginsExactly JEDEC is like 4800 MT/s. Ryzen still likes fast RAM to this day.
For guaranteed stability without stress testing, use DDR5-5200 which is Ryzen 7000's default speed. AMD recommends DDR5-6000 as the sweet spot that every system with 2 sticks of RAM and a decent motherboard with an up to date BIOS should be able to hit at this point without any problems. As with any overclock, even at the sweet spot company-recommended speed, you should run a few stress tests to make sure it is stable.
Buildzoid usually starts with Geekbench (6 was the latest as of last year when I built my PC and 5 was the previous one but still supported and usable), then a memory specific test such as Y-Cruncher and AIDA 64 Extreme. I used his Zen 4 Hynix RAM timings with manual overclock to 6000 MT/s and tested with Geekbench 6 then AIDA 64 Extreme and Y-Cruncher (Multi-core memory test with 5 billion decimals of Pi and no errors). I also tested with Geekbench 5 just to compare it to my old Geekbench tests with the Ryzen 5 2600 and Ryzen 7 3700X. Once all that is done the next thing to go about your normal routine. RAM overclocks (and CPU overclocks) should not only be stable during benchmarks and games but also when your PC is idle.
Thank you sir, very helpful. I have the Strix Z790.
Interesting information. I just upgraded my memory to four sticks of CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 RAM 64GB (4x16GB) 5600MHz CL36 Intel XMP . I searched the ASUS support page to find a compatible memory kit with four sticks to run in my ASUS ROG Strix Z-690 E Wi-Fi motherboard. I have an updated BIOS to support the i9 13900K CPU I recently got. The system reports it's running at the advertised speed and there really have been no hiccups. I kind of held my breath at start-up but it booted right into Windows the first time and I have run a few stressor benchmarks with no issues. It helps to consult your motherboard support page to find compatible RAM but maybe I also got lucky.
Clear and easy to understand. Thank you!
You are welcome!
Great series of Videos, subscribed to your channel and great content that I will use going forward, hope you don't mind that you are very kind, explain things easy especially for me being bit of Villager / Dunce and you do remind me that you look like German F1 driver Mick Scumacher
Enable PMIC (ON Asus)which handles and trains each stick instead of the group of sticks as a whole.
Lower the voltage to 1.25 or on some boeards/memory sticks it will go as low as 2.0 volts and run higher.
You do not have to clear CMOS. Poer off and ho back into BIOS
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Thanks for another great video - will observe / absorb this info before building my M2 I7 G14 Machine - especially on XMP on/off and selecting appropriate / Max stable Memory speed. I7 G14 Up to 5600 Mhz Native but my motherboard can address more / less depending on ram used and how many memory channels I used up. For me will use 2 x 32 Gb one per channel, = 64 Gb
Good job explaining such a complex concept in such a short time duder
i reused my old ddr4 ram in my new budget workstation and the only thing that matters for rendering is the amount of ram (64gb). This way i saved tons of money for no real speed gain and silly blinking RGB ram.
what's the difference with DDR4 and DDR5 for video editing?
Have a look at my dedicated video on it :)
i have the same memory Ram pair with the Ryzen 7800X3D AND GIGABYTE X670 AORUS Motherboard the Ram was running at MHz 4800 I was about to return these rams when i found your video thanks to you my Rams is running at MHz6000.
Tech Notice, I have seen everywhere people saying that you should only run 2 sticks because quad channel is a thing of the past and you can hurt the performance of your ram by adding another kit of ram into your pc, utilizing all of your slots? It's also been stated more over that using 2 kits can cause instability (i had wondered if tinkering meant you could bypass this instability of 2 "same" but not same kits installed into your pc. You may go over this point in your video).
I do video and design work and i'd love a 2nd kit in my PC but these statements always stopped me from getting another kit. What do you say to this? (I'll continue watching and if you address them/answer them and I understand, i'll delete this comment)
Hmmmmmmmmm. I'd still like to know why you think it's still OKAY to run more than 2 sticks, like what use cases. Clearly you're doing it and it's "creator" based but you would thing if there's issues doing it that creators wouldn't want to risk having a worse time "creating" on their system and therefore avoid 4 sticks anyway.
Also still curious what you think when people (and manufacturers) state that two kits of the same model is a bad idea. You've clearly done it, what are your thoughts?
My rig is pretty much maxed out across the board. The only thing I left stock is my graphics card.
specs :
CPU - 7800x3d
Gpu - 4090 strix oc
Ram - teamgroup 7200mhz cl34-42-42-84 1.4v 32gb (oc’d to 7400mhz)
guys just for principle never reset the cmos with a pen or screw driver..any metal object, do it with a pencil or a toothpick, you have no idea how many people had shorted and damage their motherboards because of this, my brother is a computer tech and in his 16 year fixing computers at least more than 10 clients have burned MB components because of this, even if you are careful never take the risk, no need. besides that great content, tx
Has anyone tried out 14900k with 2 set of t-create expert 48x2 6800, which is total of 192gb, on ASUS Proart z790?
Careful..even if ur motherboard allows 4 sticks of ram...on ddr5 you can use max 2 sticks..otherwise you won't be able to activate xmp..thats how ddr5 works..i have 14900k with 2×48 6800 t create expert..and it works great ( did some tweaking in bios for undervolting)
Where was this video when I knew way less, lol. (Teasing, learned a lot from your vids when I was in the, what's bios group? Teasing, It was the 80's when I didn't know that much, if they had bios then. LOL, but I never tried tweaking a system until late last year. Your interview with JJ was HUGE for me getting a few bits deeper into the "black arts" of memory OC. Maybe I tuned out, but I like to undervolt the memory if it can handle it, but sometimes it needs more voltage to handle more Mhz... not sure if you covered that, have a great one!)
It's alright, you were entertaining even if I'm acting like a know it all now. LOL
Dear Lauri, what would you recommend for creators, 96gb with 2 48gb sticks and 6000mts or 192gb 4 sticks of 48gb but 5600mts?
Thanks
Neither might work. Especially 192gb of 5600, most likely 4800 and 5000max ;)
Please recommend what's the max and best DDR5 to get for photo/video creator. CPU 14900k, Proart Z790.
2 questions:
1-On a z790 mobo with a 13700k or 13900k can you run 2 (2x32g) kits of ram for a total of 128gb? On older gen mobos companies like Corsair said you couldn't. You had to get 1 (4x32gb) kit.
2-Will premiere pro and davinci benefit from a raise of ram from 128gb to 192gb? Is it worth the Xtra $ if you can afford it or is it overkill.
dude it worked on my first try, thank you
Back in the day when I increased the RAM speed and didn’t get it stable I increased the voltage by 0.1V and is do this until it was table. Some times I needed to change the timing and make it slower. But it would actually not make a difference in game tests. If I got more FPS I accepted the lower timings in exchange for more MHz.
great vid as always! personally i use i9 13900 non k ver. along with kingston fury beast ddr5 5600 mhz running at stock 4800mhz and gigabyte b760 gaming x mobo. xmp always have a risk for blue screen or black screen, for stability i dont even set it. For gaming it is fine, but when you work on large files like me and you cpu and ram do alot work long time (for me like 3 to 5 hours workload on single project) its just not worth the effort. About timings and voltage dont even touch it, its relic of the past and you will loose more time and nerve setuping than profit and performance. Thanks again for great vid. Please do vid about multiple gpu for projects on one platform.
Even xmp has problems always validate your ram with something like karhu
on my new amd ryzen 9 9900x and ram 6000 64gb 2x . i was having 4800 speed . i did what you said and now i am running 5600 just fine . wow .. wish many people know about this and save some money
I noticed I get the best results in terms of perfomance when I run my cpu at rated speeds with the rams than when I overclock the ram.
Fantastic explainer and great video! Good stuff.
Personally, I've built my own PCs and have gone through 4 generations of CPUs/Memory with DDR4->5->6 and have never been able to just click apply XMP and it works. I always have to configure it myself and lower the RAM speed by 200-400 mhz to get it stable, but it's fine because it's less than a 1% performance difference.
If you want the smoothest editing experience: proxy your clips. You'll be able to edit FAST even on 10 year old hardware. I'm always stunned when video editors tell me they don't bother to proxy.
yes but even with proxies, if you use a lot of sound design, VFX and titles it will struggle with a 10 year old computer. But yeah for basic edits you'll be fine ;)
I have a question. I have the msi z790 gaming plus wifi that supports up to 7200mhz ram. I have the 7200mhz corsair dominator but the xmp boosts it to 7400mhz while my motherboard supporte 7200mhz ? Is this ok?
I accidentally bought a 7600 mhz set of ram for my MSI z790 and 13900k, when I xmp them I get blue screen, when I manually set the ram to 7000mhz no more blue screen, but I didn't change the timings or voltage when I did this but bios shows it running at 7000mhz, my question is am I still getting more performance than my old 5600mhz set that was running xmp?
Hi, I have a question about which motherboard is better for my brother. (Unfortunately, he does have a budget limit)
My brother is a video editor like you, and he wants to buy a new PC for himself.
He wants to get the Asus ProArt B760 WIFI DDR5 with an i5 13400.
But my question is, which motherboard do you suggest for him:
1. PROART B760 Wi-Fi DDR5
2. Prime Z790-P Wi-Fi DDR5
Which one offers greater reliability for the future and more potential for future upgrades?
There is no such thing like 10k 6k or 3k mhz DRAM. If you have cpu 5gh and ram 5 ghz then there won't be any delays to get to the memory like in old days when cas, or cl if you like, was 0 because both ram and cpu had the same mhz speed, but nowadays there is lots of delays because ram mhz won't much cpu mhz.
If you have enough Ram overall, increasing a DDR5 kit from 4800Mhz to the XMP/EXPO profile 6000 speed will not create a noticeable difference in gaming workloads.
Yep, you've seen Jayz video, wait for creator workloads ;)
What are you doing?
Your XMP is running at 1,3V?
This is way too little Voltage for 4 Dimms. Try 1.35 or 1.4V on the Dimms and The IMC Voltage to 1.1-1.15V, 1.2V Max
Great video
I don't bother with the CMOS on my Asus board, if you press reset 3 or 4 times it will start with default settings to let you change it and if that doesn't work turning it off and on a couple of times brings it back to a default state. My CMOS jumper is hidden by my GPU's heatsink so it's handy to know this.
Fast is nice, reliable is much better. Run mem tests and several performance tests. Back a few years the Prime95 torture test could detect a lot of memory compatibility problems. It often could find problems that Memtest or Memtest86+ couldn't detect if run for 24 hours. Don't know about the current status though.
Oh and the figures mentioned as five and six Giga Gerts were technically wrong. The numbers shown were Mega Transfers Per Second, not Mega Cycles Per Second. Yes it's usually called MHZ but that doesn't mean it's right. The actual frequencies are a lower as this is Double Data Rate memory. So the actual bus frequencies are half the number.
The question may be if this matters, and in most cases it really doesn't. Just be aware that if a manufacturer lists 6000 Mt/s and another 6000 MHz they are both talking about the same thing, just that the first uses the correct Mega Transfer per Second instead of the incorrect Mega Hertz.
Now one more thing that I can't remember were mentioned here were the secondary memory timings. RAM speed and stability is not only dependent on the secondary timings. If you look at the video at 9:30 you can see that XMP I lists two possible options. There is DDR5-6000 34-44-44-84-2N-1.30V-1.30V and DDR5-5600 40-40-40-84-2N-1.30V-1.30V
The numbers after 6000 and 5600 is the timings. The primary is the first, also often called Cas Latency or CL. The rest are secondary timings. As seen they can be higher or lower. In general you want the lower numbers as that means the memory will work faster. But using a higher number can sometimes make a memory work more reliably or work at all. The question if using higher timings to make a higher frequency work with your memory, motherboard and CPU will make it faster than using lower timings and lower frequency is a tough matter I won't try to address here, but lets say it's not a simple question.
Now these timings can be manually adjusted in the BIOS, but it's something best left to people involved with intense overclocking as it can get quite advanced. Staying with the XMP values are usually the simplest bet.
Oh, and what is shown in the video is technically not the BIOS. Technically that motherboard is using UEFI instead of BIOS, and technically what is shown isn't the UEFI but the UEFI Setup Utility. It is the same with a BIOS. What you use to change the settings is the BIOS Setup Utility. It used to be that these were programs you ran from a floppydisk, but having the menu systems included with the BIOS is so much easier that it became a standard practice.
Yes I know, semantics. But sometimes it's hard to draw the line where it's OK to shift the usage of words. Also it's sometimes good to know the differences between common practice and the original names.
I had a weird thing happen on a PC I just built. Its an MSI Z790, i5 12600k, 32GB DDR5 T Force Delta 6400mhz 16x2, RTX 4070. I set the XMP to what I now know is the wrong speed, I had it set to 6000mhz, but never had any kind of problem at all. No crashes, no failures to post, nothing out of the ordinary. I went into the MSI Center app to overclock through the MSI Creator APP and not through the BIOS. I can see the specs of each individual RAM stick. 1 was running at the proper 6000mhz, the second, according to MSI Creator, was running at 200 mhz. I went into the BIOS and set the XMP to the proper 6400mhz and turned on RAM performance mode. Now Creator says both sticks are running at the proper 6400mhz. IDK what that was about?? I had benchmarked it before changing the XMP, but didn't record the scores, so I cant really tell if one stick was actually running at 200mhz, or if something was just bugged in the MSI overclocking software, I do know how many FPS I was getting in some games I play, I can ck to see if that has improved. I thought 2 mismatched RAM sticks would run at the rated speed of the slowest stick, in which case both my RAM sticks would have been running at 200mhz, which does not seem to be the case. When I did benchmark the system the ranking of the score was right where I would have expected it to be, say a bit slower than a 13th gen i5. Very odd. The ASUS BIOS looks so much nicer than the MSI BIOS. I'm sure most of the options are the same, just looking at yours the options are presented in a much clearer fashion. On MSI BIOS you really have to dig through the settings to find anything.
Hi, but my question is: how can I know that the ram speed I'm setting is better than the one that the bios says is better in default? There is a software where I can test default and expo and how to read to understand if I am having a better result for real? Thanks, and finally a great video explanation of what we are doing
Your looking for latency
6000mhz cl30 has a ram latency of 10ns
6000mhz cl28 has a ram latency of 9.33ns
latency says the second is better due to lower ns
AIDA64 has ram benchmarks which gives you a lot of information but they have significant variables, you can get wide swings just at random. That said lower latency is best when it comes to ram, 2500mhz cl10 has a ram latency of 8ns and it would beat 6000mhz cl28 just due to the latency alone even tho 2500mhz cl10 would be DDR3 speeds (though those times are not possible) but my point is speed matters as much as ram latency.
CAS latency is not ram latency however ram speed plus CAS determines ram latency.
The no RGB setup is 11/10 . A M A Z I N G .
Hello Sir, I have two questions for you: I would like to know whether to put in a mobo that has a DDR5 6000mhz RAM limit, inserting a pair of 7200mhz RAM and setting it for example to 5800 with the XMP profile from the BIOS; this Motherboard is about to start. I definitely have to set the Timings different from the default ones. Or would you boot the operating system in SPD and that's it? Second question: in an Asus B660M motherboard prepared with DDR5 RAM and with Intel 12th gen. CPU, Can it work with a pair of Cas type RAMs with 30cl latency? Or the Timing must be reset if bios doesn't detect them? Not all brands should work, even Non-QVL. Those who can try various types of kits know this. I hope you answer me. Advice? Thanks and have a good day
Never crashing is more important than a bit extra.
I have an 8600g and probably only enable xmp when playing heavy games. Does the processor and mother suffer more if I activate and deactivate xmp often or would it suffer more if I leave it activated all the time?
Just leave it on mate, its not gonna do any harm. Its meant to be left on at all times.
If your motherboard vrms/mosfets aren't overheating (no AM5 should be with an 8600G imho) then turning it off isn't necessary. I'd keep it on unless you are getting a lot of crashes with it on.
Like how you explain the why and how. Sub you
I have 2x48 6800 t-create expert on 14900k cpu, works smooth as butter
11:20 Does the ASUS motherboards that bad? On my ASRock motherboard if the RAM changes does not work it just automatically resets bios settings and put a warning which then loads bios. The same was with MSI motherboard
Well I have to stop you right here. You have made a few statements that, well, are simply wrong. I know you are just throwing out generalities like raindrops - but, 12th 13th? I believe you mean well. But pretty much, it takes less than a minute to say - use XMP settings in the BIOS and let the chip set do the rest.
I have an air cooled i7-7700 in an old ASRock MB running 32GB XMP DDR4 3600 (18 22 22 42 & 2T) stable at 3900 12 12 12 28 1T. ... that's 7 generations back, with rare exceptions - nearly 100% up time.
The simple truth is, you can't make assumptions like that.
You are correct, most DRAM with the high numbers are over clocked profiles (maybe that's what the "OC" by that high numbers.
Both ASRock & Intel say max DDR4 is 2400.
(Bonus: imho - most computer issues can be avoided by staying away from AMD or Asus. - 😅)
p.s. - memory is far too complicated and diverse to try to make a single video. It's pretty much - a [computer] case by case discussion.
very handy tutorial )
"upgraded" my PC for free by +10% of RAM speed
Heres a Mistake i made, put the ram in the wrong slots, i put in 1a and 2a should of been in 1b and 2b i have always filled the slots, first time in 30 years i used less than normal for the speed. XMP wouldn't work, when in the A slots. First position made sense to me.
Should i get normal performance 5200 DDR5 or higher performance DDR5 6000 for video editing Premiere, AE, and occasional gaming? 32 or 64? thanks
I running Corsair 6000Mhz DDR5 2x sticks with 13700k first I had a problem with my ProArt Z790 motherboard but after a couple of firmware updates Asus fixed everything and now I have zero problems running XMP.
I do mostly photography 64GB is plenty for my needs. I can get up to 50GB RAM usage if I apply something like radial blur filter in Photoshop.
I'm shocked how much Lightroom can load your GPU with AI noise reduction. I like to run my low light wedding images through AI noise reduction my RTX4080 gets pinned to the max at 100% utilisation.
In my case xmp on, i turn the pc on, then it quickly goes off and on again. But. NO crashes… cant figure it out..
I wish I had know this before. However I bought DDR 4 ram and I don't think they had high capacity sticks at that time.
Side note, can one put DDR 4 ram in a newer machine? Would it run the ram faster without compromising the stability?
Hey bro if 12th gen says 4800mts can we go for 5600? Or not,also if cpu is F varient i7 12700F ??? Thanks
Hi from my works 1 time i have corsair 6000mhz ram ddr5 modeboard asus b760 gaming wifi i put enable to my works like 6.000 mhz but i need ask good to my system not kill samthing ???its save
Thanks, well done! Lots of good information. Off to the CPU video next...
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So, for the best RAM performance, it's best to distribute your capacity between 2 sticks instead of 4, unless you want to dig around in the BIOS.
That's interesting. My first instinct would be to fill all the RAM slots for maximum performance.
By the way, are there any applications that use that RAM capacity displayed in your task manager? My Windows 11 laptop has 64 GB of DDR4, but it barely pushes 8 GB.
I recently heard that it's bad to buy two 2xkit RAM even if are the same model than 4xkit? I have I9-14900K and Z790 Dark Hero, just build it and not yet XMP enabled. I currently have two CMP32GX5M2X7200C34, so 64Gb. Is it safe to try XMP or should I switch to 2x32Gb?
i think you should undervolt your cpu bro . its a little high
What I learned about building an Intel system in 2024... Compromise!!! Adapt!! get used to it and repeat. I moved around my AIO radiator then added three more fans. Now I'm using push pull intake instead of exhaust and I am running cooler.
Which keyboard do you have , dont you have the logitech mx anymore?
if im right ofc
Just checked Intel ark for my I5-13400F and it says up to 4800MT/s for DDR5 but in windows and BIOS it says is at XMP on 5200Mhz which is the promoted speed on the Ram kit, also wonder if worth to increase that XMP to 5800Mhz in this XPG Lancer 32G (2 sticks)
does i5 12400 benefit form 16gb ddr5 ram or should i go with ddr4 ? reddit says ddr5 is really helpful for 13 and 14 gen ? please reply technotice
Rocking 2TB between a 990 PRO and Solidigm P41 Plus
I upgraded my ram on ddr 5 to 5600 cl28 and now on my games blue screen hypervisor code??
The lottery is not only about imc, but the ram itself. Manufacturers use different chips for different skus, and particularly with amd choosing the right ram may be the difference between getting what you want or failing miserably. Bottom line: unless you really really need it, is easier to forget about it. It's more rocket science+luck now.
14700kf can go to 6400 4 dim team create with Gigabyte Aero z790
Just saying i was sucking this issues with my new computer for a month first i bought corsair vengance 7200 4 out of 6 kits was faulty one pair worked. Anyhow after that i changed to corsair titan something, but in both cases you can reach the named value but telling to your bios it is a 6000 is not enough, you have to go to advanced settings and raise the voltage with 0.05 in vram and vdram and also tell to bios to handle independently the ram voltages not synchronise. if you do those changes (worked for the good Vengance and for the Titan also) than bios able to train and than win able to boot in the expected rate
Is it ok if my RAM trains for like 15-20 sec before booting with no problems every time I power on?
I'm at 5000 MHz 192 GB DDR5 four dims
192 GB man,... What are you doing with such a monster PC? My best guess is that you also have 2x NVIDIA 4900 RTX and a i9 14k or latest KS proccesor! It's overkill for gaming so I guess you do video editing 😊.
@@CountPorcula yeah my last computer was for 4K editing... I was hoping to be able to edit 8K no problem but it does have a 4090 I literally just got it last month because micro center offered me a return on all my computer parts and a 10% discount if I bought a GPU.
I just added 2 more sticks to my system and it wouldn't even boot, all 4 were corsair vengeance ddr5 16gb 6000mhz. But 1 set was 36-36-36-72 and the other set was 36-44-44-96 and it wound not work at any speed.
Or you could buy yourself a little PC speaker that you can plug into your motherboard and as soon as you hear the "BEEP" you can start hitting the Del key.
The little speaker costs less than £1 and takes most of the hassle out of getting into the BIOS.
Better performing RAM is cheaper for AMD than for Intel.
Intel can only run RAM in Gear 2 mode, which means that the memory controller in the CPU can only run at half of the data rate of the RAM.
For instance, if you have DDR5 6000 then the data rate of that RAM (remember DDR stands for "Double Data Rate") is 3000 MHz and your Intel memory controller can only run at half of that which means 1500 MHz
AMD can run RAM in Gear 1 mode, this means that the memory controller runs at the same speed as the Data Rate of your RAM.
For the above example of DDR 6000 RAM, the Data Rate is 3000 and your AMD CPU's memory controller runs at 3000 MHz.
So you get the equivalent performance of an Intel CPU running DDR5 8000 RAM in Gear 2 with an AMD CPU running DDR5 6400 in Gear 1.
The guy from ASUS was always very fast to pivot away from AMD in the interview, I noticed.
Might be worth always repeating the fact that 32GB sticks (each) are currently always 'double sided' so equivalent apart from one address line load to two 16 GB sticks. Current memory chips are either 16 or 24 Gigabits so even 96GB kits will only run as if you had 4 sticks!
Hi, how are you? I have question please. I saw that the 2x48gb sticks are only most of all XMP Intel. I have a Ryzen 7900 is it possible to use them on Ryzen 7900? or must i buy a EXPO compatible ones? Or this thing on RAM about XMP and EXPO are just marketing and royalties thing? Thank you. :) Very nice content.
If you are willing to do some manual set up, it will probably work. I have an AMD CPU and I use it with 'Intel XMP' DDR4 ram at a faster speed than it said on the box. If you want one-click no worries easy peasy set up though, you should just get a kit with AMD EXPO.
if my cpu can run 5200MT/S and my motherboard can go to 6000MT/S , should i go and lower it to 5200 or keep it at 6000 , sry for the noob question and ty :) Ryzen 9 7900x , motherbord Gigabite b650 gaming x ax , 2x16gb 6000MT/s
Using 14700K on Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX motherboard with 16*2 GSkill Ripjaws 6000MHz CL30 RAM kits. With XMP enabled PC starts fine works blazing fast but once I try to run heavy tasks for longer periods with Premiere Pro or Aftereffects I am getting BSOD. Have just reset the RAM speeds to 4800MHz let's see how it works.
Check your ram usage
For amd double the fabric frequency is the most stable memory speed possible
one: it's not MHz, it's MT/s because the actual clock is half of that
two: your BIOS is quite old, the new build is 2002 from February 2024
unless you have a workstation motherboard (HP) that does not let you tweak things like XMP profiles...
Best advice as a DDR5 user......don't buy them and set them up for quad channel because you'll never fix it because it will always give you an boot error. AKA black screen even if you update the bios setting too with USB-Flash boot. Just buy two ram of 32 RB that is 64GB RAM. Instead getting all four of 16 GB RAM into all four slots, bad idea and no matter what theory it is. These new generation of gaming MB are too needy and a lot of incompatibility with certain hardware parts.