My advice (if you want to save headache like me) is get 2 ram sticks (2 x 48gb) to give you 96gb ram with high speeds and xmp. It's a shame that Intel and the motherboard manufacturers don't address this issue but I stick to 2 ram sticks to avoid all the problems with 4 sticks and xmp.
New build and still went with DDR4. 2x16MB CL16 3200Mhz for $52 (pre-black friday 2023).... $20 US for an extra 16GB made the decision to go 32GB easy... Was able to o/c... and create separate o/c profiles in the bios. One for 3600 CL 16 and the other 4100 CL18. Tried CL 14 but no go... The extra ram on intel helps with 1% and 01% lows. Combined it with a $120 refurbished MSI Z790 Wifi MB, went Z790 due to better memory traces on the MB.
Mostly I just wanted to see what I could achieve at different speeds. Some apps like higher speed, while others prefer lower latency. In all reality, mostly I just use this computer to play games @1440p w/7800XT, but it was fun seeing what a $50 pair of cheap rams sticks could do. I use CL16 3600 for day to day, my 12600KF P cores (all core) @5.0 and E cores 4.0. It's all one really needs for gaming. I was originally going to build via AMD 5600 but when I found a really good MSI Z790 refurbished for $120 I switched over to intel. @@Y0_ltr
Yes, never be a fan boy. If you get the right deal, go Intel, and vise a versa. For 2 laptops I tried to go AMD, but my last one is an intel, but my creator PC, that ended up AMD. @@toddwerther188
This was a very insightful and helpful video. These are the kinds of videos that I like to see because I think building can be rather easy but it's the fine tuning after the the build when I find videos like these helpful.
So funny coincidence , I'm basically 90% done with building that nearly identical rig and totally had questions about whether or not i should buy another 2 sticks of RAM and how to set them up in the bios, etc.... then I found this helpful video! (Fractal north, I91400K, 2X32 GIG T CREATE, Proart z790, NZXT Kraken, GPU to be ordered next week)
Good to see more videos coming out on the trials of running 4 dimm kits. For the longest time all I could find out was that xmp only worked on 2dimm. (Which obviously would have swayed my purchase decisions had I know up front). But just recently found another video explaining how to get xmp to work with 4 dimm. The only other difference on that one was to slightly bump the voltage settings to increase stability. Was able to get my 5600 dominator kits to run stable at 5200 on a 12700k and z690 strix board.
I have an i9 13900 KS, with 128 GB of RAM at 5,600 mhz. I was getting blue screen on some boots, but then I enabled "Windows fast start up", and I have never gotten another blue screen. It saves the settings, so the RAM doesn't have to "retrain" every boot. Am I going to hard on my RAM? (MSI z790 Carbon motherboard)
@@white_lizard I still didn't like how I had to do a work around, just to make it stable, so I just changed to 5,000 mhz, because I have 4 sticks of 128 GB of RAM. Only time will tell if this fixes it.
11:20 Does the ASUS motherboards that bad? On my ASRock motherboard if the RAM changes does not work it just automatically resets bios settings and put a warning which then loads bios. The same was with MSI motherboard
Should probably explain abit more about motherboards. From recent experience of buying an Aorus Z790 elite, and thru several crashes and research, I've found out that the motherboard makers these days overoptimise their overclocking profiles and remove certain voltage and power limits when you overclock the CPU and/or RAMs. This causes instability at high clock speeds on both sides and may even end up damagit components. I"ve had to spend several hours reading up on motherboards, cpus and ram and tweaking bios settings in order to find a somewhat stable compromise in the bios settings where i can overclock the CPU(14900kf) and get my RAM (2x32GB at 6000mhz) speed up to 80% of its overclocking potential (any higher and I end up crashing whatever games im playing).
Hmm, (relatively) faster ram usually impacts performance very little, plus 2 or 4 sticks is not that problem with modern hw/sw as long as you're not pushing it (which again makes little sense), some scenarios even favor more memory ranks. What causes most crashes in my experience is heavy pagefile use, so more RAM is always better.
My advice is: Check every time the motherboard's QLF RAM List. Vendors ask you which OS , which CPU , Which RAM Speed, how RAM capacity and Which RAM vendor you want to use and then present a full list with compatible modules you can use. Is so simple to avoid any issuewith RAM setup.
The best video explaining the problems we all find with 128Gb (4x32Gb sticks). The next questions is, which are the real performance difference between 96Gb at higher speed vs 128Gb at lower speeds. Which one worth it more? One much speed is needed in 96Gb config to see a difference in perfoemance? Thanks!
i reused my old ddr4 ram in my new budget workstation and the only thing that matters for rendering is the amount of ram (64gb). This way i saved tons of money for no real speed gain and silly blinking RGB ram.
Thank you for these RAM videos :D I wish this had been released a few weeks ago before I picked up 4x24GB RAM instead of 2x48GB... But despite this, I've managed 6600MHz and XMP timings so it's not bad.
On Ryzen 7000 I see no performance scaling (except minimum FPS in games) from going DDR5 4800 to 6000. Better timings does improve performance, but what about stability? How can be 100% sure you are using a stable system for working that should not crash? I am more concerned about stability than performance nowadays. EDIT: For granted stability the best bet is using JEDEC specifications. That way your RAM would have a hefty extra margin for working reliably, as doing RAM overclocking is like going to the edge without falling and satay there.
You check if it's stable really quickly using OCCT and a couple other software tools, really easy. You can't be lazy about it and need to put in the work. If i stuck to JDEC standards i would be losing about 10% performance or more.
For guaranteed stability without stress testing, use DDR5-5200 which is Ryzen 7000's default speed. AMD recommends DDR5-6000 as the sweet spot that every system with 2 sticks of RAM and a decent motherboard with an up to date BIOS should be able to hit at this point without any problems. As with any overclock, even at the sweet spot company-recommended speed, you should run a few stress tests to make sure it is stable. Buildzoid usually starts with Geekbench (6 was the latest as of last year when I built my PC and 5 was the previous one but still supported and usable), then a memory specific test such as Y-Cruncher and AIDA 64 Extreme. I used his Zen 4 Hynix RAM timings with manual overclock to 6000 MT/s and tested with Geekbench 6 then AIDA 64 Extreme and Y-Cruncher (Multi-core memory test with 5 billion decimals of Pi and no errors). I also tested with Geekbench 5 just to compare it to my old Geekbench tests with the Ryzen 5 2600 and Ryzen 7 3700X. Once all that is done the next thing to go about your normal routine. RAM overclocks (and CPU overclocks) should not only be stable during benchmarks and games but also when your PC is idle.
Great topic. Useful tips when running 4 sticks and if they don't. Somewhere I saw that when running ram too much faster than what system can handle like for 7000 series AM5 6000Mhz with CL 30 is fully ok, but going over this the system and ram ratio of performance shifts from 1:1 to 2:1 more towards ram than cpu I don't know what this topic is. Where do find these data like best Mhz + CL combo for each generations of systems. Also Mr Tech Notice I know you mention the effect components in your videos through numbers, percentages. Can you upload small clip showing playbacks, multiple asset load(effects + layers), Max vid quality(resolution) editing such to the point that it starts to lag or something like that ? Like a real world performance scenario for Processors, RAMs, SSDs etc or comparison with one generation below to show the real world improvements. It would be very helpful for all of us 😅. I know its a tall order a small clip would suffice if possible on such new performance uplifting components videos.
Great video! The bots in the comments section are crazy nowadays. At least make sense of what you said. The comment isn’t applicable to the video… whatsoever.
The MC isn't the core issue with DDR 5 ram speed support, it's on the motherboard design. The faster the ram the more interference on the socket is picked up creating instability. Technically consumer boards should have 2 sockets not 4 with DDR 5, and if you look up boards that have 2 sockets you will see them run 8000 mhz without issue.
Careful..even if ur motherboard allows 4 sticks of ram...on ddr5 you can use max 2 sticks..otherwise you won't be able to activate xmp..thats how ddr5 works..i have 14900k with 2×48 6800 t create expert..and it works great ( did some tweaking in bios for undervolting)
I have a question. I have the msi z790 gaming plus wifi that supports up to 7200mhz ram. I have the 7200mhz corsair dominator but the xmp boosts it to 7400mhz while my motherboard supporte 7200mhz ? Is this ok?
I accidentally bought a 7600 mhz set of ram for my MSI z790 and 13900k, when I xmp them I get blue screen, when I manually set the ram to 7000mhz no more blue screen, but I didn't change the timings or voltage when I did this but bios shows it running at 7000mhz, my question is am I still getting more performance than my old 5600mhz set that was running xmp?
Hey bro can Help Me I have arous B550m Elite ax motherboard. And wants to install M.2 Nvme in my motherboard but i am confusing bcoz In my first NVme ssd slots there is installed Kingston 500Gb . So can i installed same NVme ssd in second slots please tell me..😢😢😢
I build a system with one stick of DDR5 32gb ram on 5600mts with timings of cl36-38-38. friends gifted me second stick of 32gb 5600mts ram but have different timings of cl40-40-40. because of different timings i can't overclock ram more than 5200mts (or it becames unstable), and also if i undervolt my cpu(13900k), it will became unstable. i don't understand which ram timings are better, and what timings should i aim for future ram upgrade? (meaning adding 2more sticks of 32gb)
Smaller number = betterer timings. Every 200mhz of speed increase is proportional to 1 'ticks' on the timings. eg. 3000CL15 and has the same latency as 3200CL16. 3200CL14 has a FASTER latency than 3600CL18 (however 3600mhz has a faster raw bandwidth). Choosing lower latency or higher bandwidth RAM is very application specific.
Asus Z790 MoBo´s have 2 XMP profiles, XMP 1 & XMP 2. My 6000Mhz CL30 2x16GB kit worked on both XMP profiles but on XMP 1 profile I notice stuttering in games. When I changed it to XMP 2 profile the stutter disappeared. XMP 1 profile is an Asus tweaked profile and XMP 2 profile is the RAM manufacturer profile. I advise you to go first for the XMP 2 profile.
I posses almost an identical setup. It's definitely the most optimal for gaming at 6,000 CL30 32GB DDR5 (on our specific setups). We could get away with 7,200 CL34 but I have never heard of anyone not having stability issues. I cannot wrap my head around why anyone would try to load a 4 stick ram kit trying to achieve the highest amount of ram without understanding how it affects performance.
I don't bother with the CMOS on my Asus board, if you press reset 3 or 4 times it will start with default settings to let you change it and if that doesn't work turning it off and on a couple of times brings it back to a default state. My CMOS jumper is hidden by my GPU's heatsink so it's handy to know this.
So many boards will set horrible settings when allowed to manage ram as "auto" even though you are hitting higher MHz, latency may even decrease with loose settings! Always good to use CPU-Z to check how your ram is actually running versus the XMP setting options listed in the SPD tab. To calculate RAM latency, multiply the CAS latency by 2000 then divide by the data rate.
Build a machine with a AMD 7700, needed 192Gb and had to be uATX board due to space limitations. So i had no choice in faster ram or better board. I just did buy something that was vendor checked to get a stable system. But indeed if you need less and can do it with only 2 sticks then you can get more speed easy.
I can run my 13700k with 6800mhz + gtx 1060. As soon as i plug in a new gpu (rx 7900 xtx) i get black screens. I assume it's not due to ram if it worked with a different gpu right?
Such damn god videos. First came by ur channel now but great kontent and probly one of the best people out there explaing things in a way everybody might understand
Where was this video when I knew way less, lol. (Teasing, learned a lot from your vids when I was in the, what's bios group? Teasing, It was the 80's when I didn't know that much, if they had bios then. LOL, but I never tried tweaking a system until late last year. Your interview with JJ was HUGE for me getting a few bits deeper into the "black arts" of memory OC. Maybe I tuned out, but I like to undervolt the memory if it can handle it, but sometimes it needs more voltage to handle more Mhz... not sure if you covered that, have a great one!) It's alright, you were entertaining even if I'm acting like a know it all now. LOL
I have an 8600g and probably only enable xmp when playing heavy games. Does the processor and mother suffer more if I activate and deactivate xmp often or would it suffer more if I leave it activated all the time?
If your motherboard vrms/mosfets aren't overheating (no AM5 should be with an 8600G imho) then turning it off isn't necessary. I'd keep it on unless you are getting a lot of crashes with it on.
You've probably changed it by now, but your cpu cooler seems to be installed on the bottom rather then the top. I wonder if that would cause improper cooling for the cpu?
Interesting information. I just upgraded my memory to four sticks of CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 RAM 64GB (4x16GB) 5600MHz CL36 Intel XMP . I searched the ASUS support page to find a compatible memory kit with four sticks to run in my ASUS ROG Strix Z-690 E Wi-Fi motherboard. I have an updated BIOS to support the i9 13900K CPU I recently got. The system reports it's running at the advertised speed and there really have been no hiccups. I kind of held my breath at start-up but it booted right into Windows the first time and I have run a few stressor benchmarks with no issues. It helps to consult your motherboard support page to find compatible RAM but maybe I also got lucky.
I have a i5 14600KF and an MSI Z790-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI, and I just selected similar XMP profile like you, with 2x16GB 6.000Mhz and CL32 and working without any problem.
i have the ddr4 the max speed is 3600 but i set up mine to 3200 its smooth for a couple of days now there is no bluescreen i havent try playing high resolution games yet. but on my old set up i run my ddr4 to it max speed which is 3600 and i continuously having a blue screens
Please, my PC keeps booting the ASUS flash screen showing my m. 2 files instead of booting windows first. I've googled tf on how to solve this with no luck. Please help!
I just added 2 more sticks to my system and it wouldn't even boot, all 4 were corsair vengeance ddr5 16gb 6000mhz. But 1 set was 36-36-36-72 and the other set was 36-44-44-96 and it wound not work at any speed.
Hello Sir, I have two questions for you: I would like to know whether to put in a mobo that has a DDR5 6000mhz RAM limit, inserting a pair of 7200mhz RAM and setting it for example to 5800 with the XMP profile from the BIOS; this Motherboard is about to start. I definitely have to set the Timings different from the default ones. Or would you boot the operating system in SPD and that's it? Second question: in an Asus B660M motherboard prepared with DDR5 RAM and with Intel 12th gen. CPU, Can it work with a pair of Cas type RAMs with 30cl latency? Or the Timing must be reset if bios doesn't detect them? Not all brands should work, even Non-QVL. Those who can try various types of kits know this. I hope you answer me. Advice? Thanks and have a good day
Hi from my works 1 time i have corsair 6000mhz ram ddr5 modeboard asus b760 gaming wifi i put enable to my works like 6.000 mhz but i need ask good to my system not kill samthing ???its save
I had a weird thing happen on a PC I just built. Its an MSI Z790, i5 12600k, 32GB DDR5 T Force Delta 6400mhz 16x2, RTX 4070. I set the XMP to what I now know is the wrong speed, I had it set to 6000mhz, but never had any kind of problem at all. No crashes, no failures to post, nothing out of the ordinary. I went into the MSI Center app to overclock through the MSI Creator APP and not through the BIOS. I can see the specs of each individual RAM stick. 1 was running at the proper 6000mhz, the second, according to MSI Creator, was running at 200 mhz. I went into the BIOS and set the XMP to the proper 6400mhz and turned on RAM performance mode. Now Creator says both sticks are running at the proper 6400mhz. IDK what that was about?? I had benchmarked it before changing the XMP, but didn't record the scores, so I cant really tell if one stick was actually running at 200mhz, or if something was just bugged in the MSI overclocking software, I do know how many FPS I was getting in some games I play, I can ck to see if that has improved. I thought 2 mismatched RAM sticks would run at the rated speed of the slowest stick, in which case both my RAM sticks would have been running at 200mhz, which does not seem to be the case. When I did benchmark the system the ranking of the score was right where I would have expected it to be, say a bit slower than a 13th gen i5. Very odd. The ASUS BIOS looks so much nicer than the MSI BIOS. I'm sure most of the options are the same, just looking at yours the options are presented in a much clearer fashion. On MSI BIOS you really have to dig through the settings to find anything.
2 questions: 1-On a z790 mobo with a 13700k or 13900k can you run 2 (2x32g) kits of ram for a total of 128gb? On older gen mobos companies like Corsair said you couldn't. You had to get 1 (4x32gb) kit. 2-Will premiere pro and davinci benefit from a raise of ram from 128gb to 192gb? Is it worth the Xtra $ if you can afford it or is it overkill.
I'm planning an upgrade to a z890 mb and it will support up to 9000MT, but the highest I can find on Amazon is 8000 (DDR5). I've noticed that the latency is much higher with these sticks, does it matter anymore? Is the highest you can find always the best idea? I've also noticed that many are only available is 32GB size making a pair 48GB. Why the unusual configuration? Planning intel 285k cpu. Thanks for the assist.
My rig is pretty much maxed out across the board. The only thing I left stock is my graphics card. specs : CPU - 7800x3d Gpu - 4090 strix oc Ram - teamgroup 7200mhz cl34-42-42-84 1.4v 32gb (oc’d to 7400mhz)
Hope anyone help me, I'm really confused on the Speed on Task Manager is keep on showing 1333Mhz even I have already enabled xmp in bios. In Bios the memory is 2667Mhz but in Task Manager Performance the speed always 1333mhz. My motherboard is MSI A320m pro E. My ram is ddr4 2x8 2667Mhz. Thank you.
HELP I have a intel 14900k in a msi z790 MB, I have Ram that can be turned down 6400mhz how can a make my CPU be compatible with this much speed ? When I play a game like Fortnite it crashes only when I have XMP turned on , when is off it works fine
There is no such thing like 10k 6k or 3k mhz DRAM. If you have cpu 5gh and ram 5 ghz then there won't be any delays to get to the memory like in old days when cas, or cl if you like, was 0 because both ram and cpu had the same mhz speed, but nowadays there is lots of delays because ram mhz won't much cpu mhz.
on my new amd ryzen 9 9900x and ram 6000 64gb 2x . i was having 4800 speed . i did what you said and now i am running 5600 just fine . wow .. wish many people know about this and save some money
Great series of Videos, subscribed to your channel and great content that I will use going forward, hope you don't mind that you are very kind, explain things easy especially for me being bit of Villager / Dunce and you do remind me that you look like German F1 driver Mick Scumacher
every time enable expo and try the settings mine wont post. so i left expo off and moved my ram frequency to 6000 and task manager is showing DDr5 4 of 4 at 6000mhz. asus x670e plus wifi and 7800x3d, from what im learning at least in my case is expo/xmp is for if i want to OC my ram. but if i just want whats on the box i dont need it.
had the same 4x16gb 6000 early bios (asus) worked with no expo (stable).. and also worked at 6000 4 sticks.. but, next update bios.. 6000 4 sticks didnt work.. then new update bios.. not even 4 sticks with no xmp didnt work.. so i gave up.. i bought 2 x 32gb 6000.. and work super stable with no issue what so ever
Enable PMIC (ON Asus)which handles and trains each stick instead of the group of sticks as a whole. Lower the voltage to 1.25 or on some boeards/memory sticks it will go as low as 2.0 volts and run higher. You do not have to clear CMOS. Poer off and ho back into BIOS O
Hi, I have a question about which motherboard is better for my brother. (Unfortunately, he does have a budget limit) My brother is a video editor like you, and he wants to buy a new PC for himself. He wants to get the Asus ProArt B760 WIFI DDR5 with an i5 13400. But my question is, which motherboard do you suggest for him: 1. PROART B760 Wi-Fi DDR5 2. Prime Z790-P Wi-Fi DDR5 Which one offers greater reliability for the future and more potential for future upgrades?
If you have enough Ram overall, increasing a DDR5 kit from 4800Mhz to the XMP/EXPO profile 6000 speed will not create a noticeable difference in gaming workloads.
Getting 128gb of ram to work was pretty much impossible. 2 years ago I built a new computer for a graphic design shop. My 3rd one for them at the time. They said they wanted to best of the best this time around. I used a ryzen 5950x (best at the time) and a gigabyte 3080 oc with 128gb of ram. It took a lot of research to even find ram that was “comparable”. The good thing is that the ram capacity was far more important than its speed. In the end. I had to run the 4 sticks of 32gb ram at bone stock speeds. It worked out very well in the end. This shop does a lot of multitasking with high end graphic software and they use many programs loaded up at the same time. Peeking at the computer from time to time, I could see that they were regularly using well over the 64gb of ram that most high end computers would be built with. They also told me that rendering was getting finished up to 4 times faster than the computer with 64gb of ram.
Tech Notice, I have seen everywhere people saying that you should only run 2 sticks because quad channel is a thing of the past and you can hurt the performance of your ram by adding another kit of ram into your pc, utilizing all of your slots? It's also been stated more over that using 2 kits can cause instability (i had wondered if tinkering meant you could bypass this instability of 2 "same" but not same kits installed into your pc. You may go over this point in your video). I do video and design work and i'd love a 2nd kit in my PC but these statements always stopped me from getting another kit. What do you say to this? (I'll continue watching and if you address them/answer them and I understand, i'll delete this comment)
Hmmmmmmmmm. I'd still like to know why you think it's still OKAY to run more than 2 sticks, like what use cases. Clearly you're doing it and it's "creator" based but you would thing if there's issues doing it that creators wouldn't want to risk having a worse time "creating" on their system and therefore avoid 4 sticks anyway. Also still curious what you think when people (and manufacturers) state that two kits of the same model is a bad idea. You've clearly done it, what are your thoughts?
Can someone please help me understand why I can't enable XMP with a four dimm set up, On an MSI Z690 motherboard, I even when and got another 2x16gb sticks so I can enable XMP, But when I do even with two stick set up, I enable XMP with the 2 stick config, I keep getting restarts, So either way, A 2 stick causes the PC to crash, With 4 stick set up, it goes into some boot mode thing, I had the blue screen yesterday, But managed to get it back to the bios so I could turn off the XMP, I even got CL36 DDR5 at 5400MHz, But the MSI Z690 Unify, Lovely board apart from not having a HDMI output, But now you can get thunderbolt HDMI adapters, Think I will have to buy one, Still though, I got an MSI Z690 for 2 reasons, One coz I got it for 160 pounds in Amazon sale, Amazon got some amazing MSI boards going for some brilliant prices, And another reason I got the MSI Z690 to have faster ram speeds,. Faster Ram helps with sim racing see, More ram and you get no stutters if over 30 cars is on track, My old motherboard is a Gigabyte H610i DDR4, I got CL18 DDR4, 32gb is faster than the DDR5 for loading up, lol, The CL18 DDR4 ram is brilliant ram, I was able to to run XMP profile on a H610i motherboard, But a 250 pounds motherboard isn't stable with XMP enabled, i am even feels done by not being able to run XMP, With four dimm slots filled, I also would of thought with four dimms running the PC would be more stable than with two sticks, So can anyone explain why I cannot have XMP enabled when I have paid money to have XMP enabled, I read that if you want to run XMP profiles in DDR5, It is better to get a motherboard that only got 2 dimm slots on it, I did not know that when I got the MSI Z690, I only just got it as well, lol, Still though for what it is worth, The CL36 DDR4 ram as 2 stick config is coming up as 4800MHz out the box, The CL40 DDR4 in a 4 stick config was coming as 4000MHz, So the CL 36 is the DDR4 ram to get, And if you can get less than CL36 then you will have a fast bit of ram out the box, So I am gaining 1600MHz having the 2 stick config, I think CL36 is the lowest at the moment...... But then the reason I likes PC stuff so much is cause it is mostly problem solving, It isn't that difficult to put a pc together when someone who knows how shows you, It is how I learned observing a friend helping where I can, lol, Putting a PC together is a one man job, Another pair of hands would get in the way, lol, In fact if I had a company selling pre build PC's, I would create something like a parent and child pc build project at home, With a You tube video for the step by step instructions, You could sell a PC like in Kit form or Bundle, Everything you need for a PC build with different selections of course, For different prices, All in a box for a set price, Most the revenue could come from the Instructional You Tube video, Coz if you can put flat pack items together, Then you will put a PC together, Hardest part is the CPU and Cooler, Oh and the power on buttons, Finding the right hedders, lol, But yeah I think say a Father and Son PC project/build and getting a PC in kit form ready for Father And Teen Project to put together one Sunday afternoon, How many kids would love to go to school bragging how they put a PC together with Dad, And at the same time Dad is learning things while educating the son or daughter, I would of loved as a kid to have built a PC with my Dad, As it stands I had a Play Station when it come out, I was lucky to have had the PlayStation like within the first week of it coming out, I used to love Ridge Racer, Explains why I enjoy sim racing, lol, They should make a new Ridge Racer to be honest, lol.... But yeah I wasn't impressed I can't run XMP profile with four dimm slots full, And even now with two dimm slots filled, I am getting crashes all the time, Even you tube was making the PC crash, And that is with 5600MHz ram, Not even the 6000MHz I read people gets using the MSI Z690 Unify, I am not changing anything now, If anything I will try put another 2x26gb of CL36 ram, and then have four dimms running at 4800MHz, At least I know the PC will be stable, I want to enter some online competition races now I am confident enough to hold my own, Just I don't want my PC to crash while I am in a race online, Sim racing helps me deal with the mental health I suffer with, Not being able to go out anymore because of the CPTSD I was diagnosed with, Sim racing seems to be the one thing that helps me stay grounded, Any gore games though, I am a mess, So Sim racing keeping me grounded and off pills then it is important that the sim racing just does sim racing without issues, lol.... I just seen an i5 12600f CPU on Amazon for a bit less than hundred pounds, Brilliant price for a CPU, If you already got a GPU, Personally I would only ever get a CPU with a K on the end, But for a PC build for a kid, hundred pounds for the CPU, And with a decent GPU, It will be better than the PS5 Pro, 700 pounds for the PS5 Pro, Is showing why PlayStation is more about profits rather than giving gamers decent Consoles for decent prices, The PS5 Pro might start putting people off PlayStation, Unless the rich people don't mind paying the prices, I would still rather build my own PC now I know it isn't that hard to put a PC together, lol.... Can anyone tell me why I am having my PC crash when I enable XMP on an MSI Z690 Unify motherboard????, Will sorting the latest Bios work, I still have an old 2023 Bios I think I will be putting latest Bios on my Z690 later on so will find out tonight I guess, lol....
Hi, but my question is: how can I know that the ram speed I'm setting is better than the one that the bios says is better in default? There is a software where I can test default and expo and how to read to understand if I am having a better result for real? Thanks, and finally a great video explanation of what we are doing
Your looking for latency 6000mhz cl30 has a ram latency of 10ns 6000mhz cl28 has a ram latency of 9.33ns latency says the second is better due to lower ns AIDA64 has ram benchmarks which gives you a lot of information but they have significant variables, you can get wide swings just at random. That said lower latency is best when it comes to ram, 2500mhz cl10 has a ram latency of 8ns and it would beat 6000mhz cl28 just due to the latency alone even tho 2500mhz cl10 would be DDR3 speeds (though those times are not possible) but my point is speed matters as much as ram latency. CAS latency is not ram latency however ram speed plus CAS determines ram latency.
What are you doing? Your XMP is running at 1,3V? This is way too little Voltage for 4 Dimms. Try 1.35 or 1.4V on the Dimms and The IMC Voltage to 1.1-1.15V, 1.2V Max
I'm waiting for someone like you to do some speed tests for code development. Everyone does gaming and creating. I want the most killer system I can afford to compile c# in visual studio community for windows development. So much so, I don't even want to add discrete graphics because I spent all my money on CPU, motherboard, and ram.
I wish I had know this before. However I bought DDR 4 ram and I don't think they had high capacity sticks at that time. Side note, can one put DDR 4 ram in a newer machine? Would it run the ram faster without compromising the stability?
Just checked Intel ark for my I5-13400F and it says up to 4800MT/s for DDR5 but in windows and BIOS it says is at XMP on 5200Mhz which is the promoted speed on the Ram kit, also wonder if worth to increase that XMP to 5800Mhz in this XPG Lancer 32G (2 sticks)
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Thank you! I found this video to be very informative, clear, and easy to follow.
You're very welcome!
My PC is not crashing, it's crushing!
Lucky you! ;)
@@theTechNotice buying too much ram since 1999 and it’s always paid off
My advice (if you want to save headache like me) is get 2 ram sticks (2 x 48gb) to give you 96gb ram with high speeds and xmp. It's a shame that Intel and the motherboard manufacturers don't address this issue but I stick to 2 ram sticks to avoid all the problems with 4 sticks and xmp.
Thanks for INFO and to OP as well; something that me being a newbie / builder didn't take much thought of to be honest.
This is what I have as well, did you get single or dual rank?
New build and still went with DDR4. 2x16MB CL16 3200Mhz for $52 (pre-black friday 2023).... $20 US for an extra 16GB made the decision to go 32GB easy... Was able to o/c... and create separate o/c profiles in the bios. One for 3600 CL 16 and the other 4100 CL18. Tried CL 14 but no go... The extra ram on intel helps with 1% and 01% lows. Combined it with a $120 refurbished MSI Z790 Wifi MB, went Z790 due to better memory traces on the MB.
The beautiful clickyclack of delete mashing ❤
@toddwerther188 what are the advantages of having different o/c profiles? 🤔
Mostly I just wanted to see what I could achieve at different speeds. Some apps like higher speed, while others prefer lower latency. In all reality, mostly I just use this computer to play games @1440p w/7800XT, but it was fun seeing what a $50 pair of cheap rams sticks could do. I use CL16 3600 for day to day, my 12600KF P cores (all core) @5.0 and E cores 4.0. It's all one really needs for gaming. I was originally going to build via AMD 5600 but when I found a really good MSI Z790 refurbished for $120 I switched over to intel. @@Y0_ltr
Yes, never be a fan boy. If you get the right deal, go Intel, and vise a versa. For 2 laptops I tried to go AMD, but my last one is an intel, but my creator PC, that ended up AMD. @@toddwerther188
This was a very insightful and helpful video. These are the kinds of videos that I like to see because I think building can be rather easy but it's the fine tuning after the the build when I find videos like these helpful.
Also consider some MBs have lower overall ram limits, for instance having a limit of 128gb as opposed to 192 gb. Or even 96 as opposed to 128.
Any board with 4 slots can run 192 GB with updated bios. Any.
So funny coincidence , I'm basically 90% done with building that nearly identical rig and totally had questions about whether or not i should buy another 2 sticks of RAM and how to set them up in the bios, etc.... then I found this helpful video! (Fractal north, I91400K, 2X32 GIG T CREATE, Proart z790, NZXT Kraken, GPU to be ordered next week)
90% same as me. GPU ordering later aswell
Don't buy "another 2 sticks". Only run 2 in dual channel and buy those 2 together in a dual channel pack.
Dont even buy them. x2 is enough. DDR5 is sensitive on the memory channels
Good to see more videos coming out on the trials of running 4 dimm kits. For the longest time all I could find out was that xmp only worked on 2dimm. (Which obviously would have swayed my purchase decisions had I know up front). But just recently found another video explaining how to get xmp to work with 4 dimm. The only other difference on that one was to slightly bump the voltage settings to increase stability. Was able to get my 5600 dominator kits to run stable at 5200 on a 12700k and z690 strix board.
I have an i9 13900 KS, with 128 GB of RAM at 5,600 mhz. I was getting blue screen on some boots, but then I enabled "Windows fast start up", and I have never gotten another blue screen. It saves the settings, so the RAM doesn't have to "retrain" every boot.
Am I going to hard on my RAM? (MSI z790 Carbon motherboard)
Nice! Haven't tried this method yet!
@@white_lizard I still didn't like how I had to do a work around, just to make it stable, so I just changed to 5,000 mhz, because I have 4 sticks of 128 GB of RAM. Only time will tell if this fixes it.
@4 × 32 GB modules u mean right? Wait are there 128 GB consumer grade modules ?chrispridemore5562
Running 2x48GB Corsair 6400 CL32 on a B660-I strix board feels so good. Crazy to think we can have 96gb high speed ram on a 2-ram slot B660 board
The thought alone makes me so hard.
@@funbucket09you meant to say think so hard..right..
@@Shake_Well_Before_Use sure why not :)
11:20 Does the ASUS motherboards that bad? On my ASRock motherboard if the RAM changes does not work it just automatically resets bios settings and put a warning which then loads bios. The same was with MSI motherboard
what a time to be alive. great content, bro
Should probably explain abit more about motherboards. From recent experience of buying an Aorus Z790 elite, and thru several crashes and research, I've found out that the motherboard makers these days overoptimise their overclocking profiles and remove certain voltage and power limits when you overclock the CPU and/or RAMs. This causes instability at high clock speeds on both sides and may even end up damagit components.
I"ve had to spend several hours reading up on motherboards, cpus and ram and tweaking bios settings in order to find a somewhat stable compromise in the bios settings where i can overclock the CPU(14900kf) and get my RAM (2x32GB at 6000mhz) speed up to 80% of its overclocking potential (any higher and I end up crashing whatever games im playing).
What did u clock ur cpu @‘? I’m interested 👀
This is the best tech channel by a wide margin. He has improved my life immensely with his help.
I've tried a ton of ram on my 9800x3d and X870 MB. 7200MT 2x16 Gskill running at 6200 has been by far the most stable and best performance
Hmm, (relatively) faster ram usually impacts performance very little, plus 2 or 4 sticks is not that problem with modern hw/sw as long as you're not pushing it (which again makes little sense), some scenarios even favor more memory ranks.
What causes most crashes in my experience is heavy pagefile use, so more RAM is always better.
Another useful video.
Thank you my friend.
My advice is: Check every time the motherboard's QLF RAM List. Vendors ask you which OS , which CPU , Which RAM Speed, how RAM capacity and Which RAM vendor you want to use and then present a full list with compatible modules you can use.
Is so simple to avoid any issuewith RAM setup.
for me you are making the most pleasing videos for pc tech i know
The best video explaining the problems we all find with 128Gb (4x32Gb sticks).
The next questions is, which are the real performance difference between 96Gb at higher speed vs 128Gb at lower speeds.
Which one worth it more? One much speed is needed in 96Gb config to see a difference in perfoemance?
Thanks!
i reused my old ddr4 ram in my new budget workstation and the only thing that matters for rendering is the amount of ram (64gb). This way i saved tons of money for no real speed gain and silly blinking RGB ram.
Thank you for these RAM videos :D I wish this had been released a few weeks ago before I picked up 4x24GB RAM instead of 2x48GB... But despite this, I've managed 6600MHz and XMP timings so it's not bad.
On Ryzen 7000 I see no performance scaling (except minimum FPS in games) from going DDR5 4800 to 6000.
Better timings does improve performance, but what about stability? How can be 100% sure you are using a stable system for working that should not crash?
I am more concerned about stability than performance nowadays.
EDIT: For granted stability the best bet is using JEDEC specifications. That way your RAM would have a hefty extra margin for working reliably, as doing RAM overclocking is like going to the edge without falling and satay there.
You check if it's stable really quickly using OCCT and a couple other software tools, really easy. You can't be lazy about it and need to put in the work. If i stuck to JDEC standards i would be losing about 10% performance or more.
@@SpectrophiaExactly JEDEC is like 4800 MT/s. Ryzen still likes fast RAM to this day.
For guaranteed stability without stress testing, use DDR5-5200 which is Ryzen 7000's default speed. AMD recommends DDR5-6000 as the sweet spot that every system with 2 sticks of RAM and a decent motherboard with an up to date BIOS should be able to hit at this point without any problems. As with any overclock, even at the sweet spot company-recommended speed, you should run a few stress tests to make sure it is stable.
Buildzoid usually starts with Geekbench (6 was the latest as of last year when I built my PC and 5 was the previous one but still supported and usable), then a memory specific test such as Y-Cruncher and AIDA 64 Extreme. I used his Zen 4 Hynix RAM timings with manual overclock to 6000 MT/s and tested with Geekbench 6 then AIDA 64 Extreme and Y-Cruncher (Multi-core memory test with 5 billion decimals of Pi and no errors). I also tested with Geekbench 5 just to compare it to my old Geekbench tests with the Ryzen 5 2600 and Ryzen 7 3700X. Once all that is done the next thing to go about your normal routine. RAM overclocks (and CPU overclocks) should not only be stable during benchmarks and games but also when your PC is idle.
Great topic. Useful tips when running 4 sticks and if they don't.
Somewhere I saw that when running ram too much faster than what system can handle like for 7000 series AM5 6000Mhz with CL 30 is fully ok, but going over this the system and ram ratio of performance shifts from 1:1 to 2:1 more towards ram than cpu I don't know what this topic is. Where do find these data like best Mhz + CL combo for each generations of systems.
Also Mr Tech Notice I know you mention the effect components in your videos through numbers, percentages.
Can you upload small clip showing playbacks, multiple asset load(effects + layers), Max vid quality(resolution) editing such to the point that it starts to lag or something like that ? Like a real world performance scenario for Processors, RAMs, SSDs etc or comparison with one generation below to show the real world improvements. It would be very helpful for all of us 😅. I know its a tall order a small clip would suffice if possible on such new performance uplifting components videos.
cpu max support is 5600 and there why option of 6000? i dont understand?
Great video!
The bots in the comments section are crazy nowadays. At least make sense of what you said. The comment isn’t applicable to the video… whatsoever.
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The MC isn't the core issue with DDR 5 ram speed support, it's on the motherboard design. The faster the ram the more interference on the socket is picked up creating instability. Technically consumer boards should have 2 sockets not 4 with DDR 5, and if you look up boards that have 2 sockets you will see them run 8000 mhz without issue.
Has anyone tried out 14900k with 2 set of t-create expert 48x2 6800, which is total of 192gb, on ASUS Proart z790?
Careful..even if ur motherboard allows 4 sticks of ram...on ddr5 you can use max 2 sticks..otherwise you won't be able to activate xmp..thats how ddr5 works..i have 14900k with 2×48 6800 t create expert..and it works great ( did some tweaking in bios for undervolting)
I have a question. I have the msi z790 gaming plus wifi that supports up to 7200mhz ram. I have the 7200mhz corsair dominator but the xmp boosts it to 7400mhz while my motherboard supporte 7200mhz ? Is this ok?
I accidentally bought a 7600 mhz set of ram for my MSI z790 and 13900k, when I xmp them I get blue screen, when I manually set the ram to 7000mhz no more blue screen, but I didn't change the timings or voltage when I did this but bios shows it running at 7000mhz, my question is am I still getting more performance than my old 5600mhz set that was running xmp?
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I have arous B550m Elite ax motherboard. And wants to install M.2 Nvme in my motherboard but i am confusing bcoz In my first NVme ssd slots there is installed Kingston 500Gb . So can i installed same NVme ssd in second slots please tell me..😢😢😢
I build a system with one stick of DDR5 32gb ram on 5600mts with timings of cl36-38-38. friends gifted me second stick of 32gb 5600mts ram but have different timings of cl40-40-40. because of different timings i can't overclock ram more than 5200mts (or it becames unstable), and also if i undervolt my cpu(13900k), it will became unstable.
i don't understand which ram timings are better, and what timings should i aim for future ram upgrade? (meaning adding 2more sticks of 32gb)
Smaller number = betterer timings. Every 200mhz of speed increase is proportional to 1 'ticks' on the timings. eg. 3000CL15 and has the same latency as 3200CL16. 3200CL14 has a FASTER latency than 3600CL18 (however 3600mhz has a faster raw bandwidth). Choosing lower latency or higher bandwidth RAM is very application specific.
@@funbucket09 thank you for answer. looks like my cl36-38-38 have better timings
Dear Lauri, what would you recommend for creators, 96gb with 2 48gb sticks and 6000mts or 192gb 4 sticks of 48gb but 5600mts?
Thanks
Neither might work. Especially 192gb of 5600, most likely 4800 and 5000max ;)
Please recommend what's the max and best DDR5 to get for photo/video creator. CPU 14900k, Proart Z790.
Asus Z790 MoBo´s have 2 XMP profiles, XMP 1 & XMP 2. My 6000Mhz CL30 2x16GB kit worked on both XMP profiles but on XMP 1 profile I notice stuttering in games. When I changed it to XMP 2 profile the stutter disappeared. XMP 1 profile is an Asus tweaked profile and XMP 2 profile is the RAM manufacturer profile. I advise you to go first for the XMP 2 profile.
I posses almost an identical setup. It's definitely the most optimal for gaming at 6,000 CL30 32GB DDR5 (on our specific setups). We could get away with 7,200 CL34 but I have never heard of anyone not having stability issues. I cannot wrap my head around why anyone would try to load a 4 stick ram kit trying to achieve the highest amount of ram without understanding how it affects performance.
Thanks dude! Worked the first time.
I don't bother with the CMOS on my Asus board, if you press reset 3 or 4 times it will start with default settings to let you change it and if that doesn't work turning it off and on a couple of times brings it back to a default state. My CMOS jumper is hidden by my GPU's heatsink so it's handy to know this.
So many boards will set horrible settings when allowed to manage ram as "auto" even though you are hitting higher MHz, latency may even decrease with loose settings! Always good to use CPU-Z to check how your ram is actually running versus the XMP setting options listed in the SPD tab. To calculate RAM latency, multiply the CAS latency by 2000 then divide by the data rate.
Good job explaining such a complex concept in such a short time duder
wich case is shown @19:41 the one with orange strip ontop & vertical gpu ? i couldn't find it in your build guide :D
Build a machine with a AMD 7700, needed 192Gb and had to be uATX board due to space limitations. So i had no choice in faster ram or better board. I just did buy something that was vendor checked to get a stable system. But indeed if you need less and can do it with only 2 sticks then you can get more speed easy.
Excellent video💯
Nicely described,very informative. U just got a new subscriber. Carry on bro❤️🔥🔥
I can run my 13700k with 6800mhz + gtx 1060. As soon as i plug in a new gpu (rx 7900 xtx) i get black screens. I assume it's not due to ram if it worked with a different gpu right?
PSU?
Such damn god videos. First came by ur channel now but great kontent and probly one of the best people out there explaing things in a way everybody might understand
god level!
Thank you for this info man!!
Go into bios from an admin command prompt with
shutdown /fw /r
Where was this video when I knew way less, lol. (Teasing, learned a lot from your vids when I was in the, what's bios group? Teasing, It was the 80's when I didn't know that much, if they had bios then. LOL, but I never tried tweaking a system until late last year. Your interview with JJ was HUGE for me getting a few bits deeper into the "black arts" of memory OC. Maybe I tuned out, but I like to undervolt the memory if it can handle it, but sometimes it needs more voltage to handle more Mhz... not sure if you covered that, have a great one!)
It's alright, you were entertaining even if I'm acting like a know it all now. LOL
I have an 8600g and probably only enable xmp when playing heavy games. Does the processor and mother suffer more if I activate and deactivate xmp often or would it suffer more if I leave it activated all the time?
Just leave it on mate, its not gonna do any harm. Its meant to be left on at all times.
If your motherboard vrms/mosfets aren't overheating (no AM5 should be with an 8600G imho) then turning it off isn't necessary. I'd keep it on unless you are getting a lot of crashes with it on.
You've probably changed it by now, but your cpu cooler seems to be installed on the bottom rather then the top. I wonder if that would cause improper cooling for the cpu?
My memory usage is high but nothing much is running. Is that causing my PC lagging or slow ?
In my case xmp on, i turn the pc on, then it quickly goes off and on again. But. NO crashes… cant figure it out..
Lauri, please ban that bot.
It's gone now, right?
@@theTechNotice Alhamdulillah, yes
@@theTechNoticewhich graphics card is good for video editing 4060 or 6750 GRE....???
There's no such thing as 6750 gre@@kindhuman4198
@@kindhuman41984060 💀💀💀 bro did you even does 3sec of research
Interesting information. I just upgraded my memory to four sticks of CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 RAM 64GB (4x16GB) 5600MHz CL36 Intel XMP . I searched the ASUS support page to find a compatible memory kit with four sticks to run in my ASUS ROG Strix Z-690 E Wi-Fi motherboard. I have an updated BIOS to support the i9 13900K CPU I recently got. The system reports it's running at the advertised speed and there really have been no hiccups. I kind of held my breath at start-up but it booted right into Windows the first time and I have run a few stressor benchmarks with no issues. It helps to consult your motherboard support page to find compatible RAM but maybe I also got lucky.
I have a i5 14600KF and an MSI Z790-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI, and I just selected similar XMP profile like you, with 2x16GB 6.000Mhz and CL32 and working without any problem.
Even xmp has problems always validate your ram with something like karhu
now i have 13600k with z790 asus tuf ddr4 and i was willing to upgrade to 14900k am i gonna lose alot for staying with ddr4
i have the ddr4 the max speed is 3600 but i set up mine to 3200 its smooth for a couple of days now there is no bluescreen i havent try playing high resolution games yet. but on my old set up i run my ddr4 to it max speed which is 3600 and i continuously having a blue screens
Please, my PC keeps booting the ASUS flash screen showing my m. 2 files instead of booting windows first. I've googled tf on how to solve this with no luck. Please help!
I just added 2 more sticks to my system and it wouldn't even boot, all 4 were corsair vengeance ddr5 16gb 6000mhz. But 1 set was 36-36-36-72 and the other set was 36-44-44-96 and it wound not work at any speed.
Hello Sir, I have two questions for you: I would like to know whether to put in a mobo that has a DDR5 6000mhz RAM limit, inserting a pair of 7200mhz RAM and setting it for example to 5800 with the XMP profile from the BIOS; this Motherboard is about to start. I definitely have to set the Timings different from the default ones. Or would you boot the operating system in SPD and that's it? Second question: in an Asus B660M motherboard prepared with DDR5 RAM and with Intel 12th gen. CPU, Can it work with a pair of Cas type RAMs with 30cl latency? Or the Timing must be reset if bios doesn't detect them? Not all brands should work, even Non-QVL. Those who can try various types of kits know this. I hope you answer me. Advice? Thanks and have a good day
unless you have a workstation motherboard (HP) that does not let you tweak things like XMP profiles...
Hi from my works 1 time i have corsair 6000mhz ram ddr5 modeboard asus b760 gaming wifi i put enable to my works like 6.000 mhz but i need ask good to my system not kill samthing ???its save
I had a weird thing happen on a PC I just built. Its an MSI Z790, i5 12600k, 32GB DDR5 T Force Delta 6400mhz 16x2, RTX 4070. I set the XMP to what I now know is the wrong speed, I had it set to 6000mhz, but never had any kind of problem at all. No crashes, no failures to post, nothing out of the ordinary. I went into the MSI Center app to overclock through the MSI Creator APP and not through the BIOS. I can see the specs of each individual RAM stick. 1 was running at the proper 6000mhz, the second, according to MSI Creator, was running at 200 mhz. I went into the BIOS and set the XMP to the proper 6400mhz and turned on RAM performance mode. Now Creator says both sticks are running at the proper 6400mhz. IDK what that was about?? I had benchmarked it before changing the XMP, but didn't record the scores, so I cant really tell if one stick was actually running at 200mhz, or if something was just bugged in the MSI overclocking software, I do know how many FPS I was getting in some games I play, I can ck to see if that has improved. I thought 2 mismatched RAM sticks would run at the rated speed of the slowest stick, in which case both my RAM sticks would have been running at 200mhz, which does not seem to be the case. When I did benchmark the system the ranking of the score was right where I would have expected it to be, say a bit slower than a 13th gen i5. Very odd. The ASUS BIOS looks so much nicer than the MSI BIOS. I'm sure most of the options are the same, just looking at yours the options are presented in a much clearer fashion. On MSI BIOS you really have to dig through the settings to find anything.
This video is amazing and very detailed. I have a gigabyte z690 board and was able to follow along
2 questions:
1-On a z790 mobo with a 13700k or 13900k can you run 2 (2x32g) kits of ram for a total of 128gb? On older gen mobos companies like Corsair said you couldn't. You had to get 1 (4x32gb) kit.
2-Will premiere pro and davinci benefit from a raise of ram from 128gb to 192gb? Is it worth the Xtra $ if you can afford it or is it overkill.
I upgraded my ram on ddr 5 to 5600 cl28 and now on my games blue screen hypervisor code??
I'm planning an upgrade to a z890 mb and it will support up to 9000MT, but the highest I can find on Amazon is 8000 (DDR5). I've noticed that the latency is much higher with these sticks, does it matter anymore? Is the highest you can find always the best idea? I've also noticed that many are only available is 32GB size making a pair 48GB. Why the unusual configuration? Planning intel 285k cpu. Thanks for the assist.
My rig is pretty much maxed out across the board. The only thing I left stock is my graphics card.
specs :
CPU - 7800x3d
Gpu - 4090 strix oc
Ram - teamgroup 7200mhz cl34-42-42-84 1.4v 32gb (oc’d to 7400mhz)
Hope anyone help me, I'm really confused on the Speed on Task Manager is keep on showing 1333Mhz even I have already enabled xmp in bios. In Bios the memory is 2667Mhz but in Task Manager Performance the speed always 1333mhz. My motherboard is MSI A320m pro E. My ram is ddr4 2x8 2667Mhz. Thank you.
HELP I have a intel 14900k in a msi z790 MB, I have Ram that can be turned down 6400mhz how can a make my CPU be compatible with this much speed ? When I play a game like Fortnite it crashes only when I have XMP turned on , when is off it works fine
There is no such thing like 10k 6k or 3k mhz DRAM. If you have cpu 5gh and ram 5 ghz then there won't be any delays to get to the memory like in old days when cas, or cl if you like, was 0 because both ram and cpu had the same mhz speed, but nowadays there is lots of delays because ram mhz won't much cpu mhz.
on my new amd ryzen 9 9900x and ram 6000 64gb 2x . i was having 4800 speed . i did what you said and now i am running 5600 just fine . wow .. wish many people know about this and save some money
You missed a few things like dual rank and 2 slots vs 4.
Great series of Videos, subscribed to your channel and great content that I will use going forward, hope you don't mind that you are very kind, explain things easy especially for me being bit of Villager / Dunce and you do remind me that you look like German F1 driver Mick Scumacher
every time enable expo and try the settings mine wont post. so i left expo off and moved my ram frequency to 6000 and task manager is showing DDr5 4 of 4 at 6000mhz. asus x670e plus wifi and 7800x3d, from what im learning at least in my case is expo/xmp is for if i want to OC my ram. but if i just want whats on the box i dont need it.
had the same 4x16gb 6000 early bios (asus) worked with no expo (stable).. and also worked at 6000 4 sticks.. but, next update bios.. 6000 4 sticks didnt work.. then new update bios.. not even 4 sticks with no xmp didnt work.. so i gave up.. i bought 2 x 32gb 6000.. and work super stable with no issue what so ever
Clear and easy to understand. Thank you!
You are welcome!
Enable PMIC (ON Asus)which handles and trains each stick instead of the group of sticks as a whole.
Lower the voltage to 1.25 or on some boeards/memory sticks it will go as low as 2.0 volts and run higher.
You do not have to clear CMOS. Poer off and ho back into BIOS
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jaytwocent say that you have to update your bios before you enable to XMP.
Hi, I have a question about which motherboard is better for my brother. (Unfortunately, he does have a budget limit)
My brother is a video editor like you, and he wants to buy a new PC for himself.
He wants to get the Asus ProArt B760 WIFI DDR5 with an i5 13400.
But my question is, which motherboard do you suggest for him:
1. PROART B760 Wi-Fi DDR5
2. Prime Z790-P Wi-Fi DDR5
Which one offers greater reliability for the future and more potential for future upgrades?
Guys does anyone know the Name of the Into sond? 0:40 ?
Does this works in Gigabyte Aorus Z790 Elite with core i7 13700K and G.skill Trident Z RGB 128GB of DDR5 5600Mhz ram ?
I noticed I get the best results in terms of perfomance when I run my cpu at rated speeds with the rams than when I overclock the ram.
dude it worked on my first try, thank you
If you have enough Ram overall, increasing a DDR5 kit from 4800Mhz to the XMP/EXPO profile 6000 speed will not create a noticeable difference in gaming workloads.
Yep, you've seen Jayz video, wait for creator workloads ;)
If I was to install 96gb (2x48gb) Ram instead of 64gb 2x32, will I have to sacrifice a lot of stability/performance?
Depends on your imc
Getting 128gb of ram to work was pretty much impossible. 2 years ago I built a new computer for a graphic design shop. My 3rd one for them at the time. They said they wanted to best of the best this time around. I used a ryzen 5950x (best at the time) and a gigabyte 3080 oc with 128gb of ram. It took a lot of research to even find ram that was “comparable”. The good thing is that the ram capacity was far more important than its speed. In the end. I had to run the 4 sticks of 32gb ram at bone stock speeds. It worked out very well in the end. This shop does a lot of multitasking with high end graphic software and they use many programs loaded up at the same time. Peeking at the computer from time to time, I could see that they were regularly using well over the 64gb of ram that most high end computers would be built with. They also told me that rendering was getting finished up to 4 times faster than the computer with 64gb of ram.
What is the difference between a Mega-transfer and a Micro-transfer?
The gold & black makes this entire build look like a luxury object. Then the white & colorful keyboard looks way out of place
Yeah, the PC looks absolutely amazing!
Tech Notice, I have seen everywhere people saying that you should only run 2 sticks because quad channel is a thing of the past and you can hurt the performance of your ram by adding another kit of ram into your pc, utilizing all of your slots? It's also been stated more over that using 2 kits can cause instability (i had wondered if tinkering meant you could bypass this instability of 2 "same" but not same kits installed into your pc. You may go over this point in your video).
I do video and design work and i'd love a 2nd kit in my PC but these statements always stopped me from getting another kit. What do you say to this? (I'll continue watching and if you address them/answer them and I understand, i'll delete this comment)
Hmmmmmmmmm. I'd still like to know why you think it's still OKAY to run more than 2 sticks, like what use cases. Clearly you're doing it and it's "creator" based but you would thing if there's issues doing it that creators wouldn't want to risk having a worse time "creating" on their system and therefore avoid 4 sticks anyway.
Also still curious what you think when people (and manufacturers) state that two kits of the same model is a bad idea. You've clearly done it, what are your thoughts?
Can someone please help me understand why I can't enable XMP with a four dimm set up, On an MSI Z690 motherboard, I even when and got another 2x16gb sticks so I can enable XMP, But when I do even with two stick set up, I enable XMP with the 2 stick config, I keep getting restarts, So either way, A 2 stick causes the PC to crash, With 4 stick set up, it goes into some boot mode thing, I had the blue screen yesterday, But managed to get it back to the bios so I could turn off the XMP, I even got CL36 DDR5 at 5400MHz, But the MSI Z690 Unify, Lovely board apart from not having a HDMI output, But now you can get thunderbolt HDMI adapters, Think I will have to buy one, Still though, I got an MSI Z690 for 2 reasons, One coz I got it for 160 pounds in Amazon sale, Amazon got some amazing MSI boards going for some brilliant prices, And another reason I got the MSI Z690 to have faster ram speeds,. Faster Ram helps with sim racing see, More ram and you get no stutters if over 30 cars is on track, My old motherboard is a Gigabyte H610i DDR4, I got CL18 DDR4, 32gb is faster than the DDR5 for loading up, lol, The CL18 DDR4 ram is brilliant ram, I was able to to run XMP profile on a H610i motherboard, But a 250 pounds motherboard isn't stable with XMP enabled, i am even feels done by not being able to run XMP, With four dimm slots filled, I also would of thought with four dimms running the PC would be more stable than with two sticks, So can anyone explain why I cannot have XMP enabled when I have paid money to have XMP enabled, I read that if you want to run XMP profiles in DDR5, It is better to get a motherboard that only got 2 dimm slots on it, I did not know that when I got the MSI Z690, I only just got it as well, lol, Still though for what it is worth, The CL36 DDR4 ram as 2 stick config is coming up as 4800MHz out the box, The CL40 DDR4 in a 4 stick config was coming as 4000MHz, So the CL 36 is the DDR4 ram to get, And if you can get less than CL36 then you will have a fast bit of ram out the box, So I am gaining 1600MHz having the 2 stick config, I think CL36 is the lowest at the moment......
But then the reason I likes PC stuff so much is cause it is mostly problem solving, It isn't that difficult to put a pc together when someone who knows how shows you, It is how I learned observing a friend helping where I can, lol, Putting a PC together is a one man job, Another pair of hands would get in the way, lol, In fact if I had a company selling pre build PC's, I would create something like a parent and child pc build project at home, With a You tube video for the step by step instructions, You could sell a PC like in Kit form or Bundle, Everything you need for a PC build with different selections of course, For different prices, All in a box for a set price, Most the revenue could come from the Instructional You Tube video, Coz if you can put flat pack items together, Then you will put a PC together, Hardest part is the CPU and Cooler, Oh and the power on buttons, Finding the right hedders, lol, But yeah I think say a Father and Son PC project/build and getting a PC in kit form ready for Father And Teen Project to put together one Sunday afternoon, How many kids would love to go to school bragging how they put a PC together with Dad, And at the same time Dad is learning things while educating the son or daughter, I would of loved as a kid to have built a PC with my Dad, As it stands I had a Play Station when it come out, I was lucky to have had the PlayStation like within the first week of it coming out, I used to love Ridge Racer, Explains why I enjoy sim racing, lol, They should make a new Ridge Racer to be honest, lol....
But yeah I wasn't impressed I can't run XMP profile with four dimm slots full, And even now with two dimm slots filled, I am getting crashes all the time, Even you tube was making the PC crash, And that is with 5600MHz ram, Not even the 6000MHz I read people gets using the MSI Z690 Unify, I am not changing anything now, If anything I will try put another 2x26gb of CL36 ram, and then have four dimms running at 4800MHz, At least I know the PC will be stable, I want to enter some online competition races now I am confident enough to hold my own, Just I don't want my PC to crash while I am in a race online, Sim racing helps me deal with the mental health I suffer with, Not being able to go out anymore because of the CPTSD I was diagnosed with, Sim racing seems to be the one thing that helps me stay grounded, Any gore games though, I am a mess, So Sim racing keeping me grounded and off pills then it is important that the sim racing just does sim racing without issues, lol....
I just seen an i5 12600f CPU on Amazon for a bit less than hundred pounds, Brilliant price for a CPU, If you already got a GPU, Personally I would only ever get a CPU with a K on the end, But for a PC build for a kid, hundred pounds for the CPU, And with a decent GPU, It will be better than the PS5 Pro, 700 pounds for the PS5 Pro, Is showing why PlayStation is more about profits rather than giving gamers decent Consoles for decent prices, The PS5 Pro might start putting people off PlayStation, Unless the rich people don't mind paying the prices, I would still rather build my own PC now I know it isn't that hard to put a PC together, lol....
Can anyone tell me why I am having my PC crash when I enable XMP on an MSI Z690 Unify motherboard????, Will sorting the latest Bios work, I still have an old 2023 Bios I think I will be putting latest Bios on my Z690 later on so will find out tonight I guess, lol....
Hi, but my question is: how can I know that the ram speed I'm setting is better than the one that the bios says is better in default? There is a software where I can test default and expo and how to read to understand if I am having a better result for real? Thanks, and finally a great video explanation of what we are doing
Your looking for latency
6000mhz cl30 has a ram latency of 10ns
6000mhz cl28 has a ram latency of 9.33ns
latency says the second is better due to lower ns
AIDA64 has ram benchmarks which gives you a lot of information but they have significant variables, you can get wide swings just at random. That said lower latency is best when it comes to ram, 2500mhz cl10 has a ram latency of 8ns and it would beat 6000mhz cl28 just due to the latency alone even tho 2500mhz cl10 would be DDR3 speeds (though those times are not possible) but my point is speed matters as much as ram latency.
CAS latency is not ram latency however ram speed plus CAS determines ram latency.
What are you doing?
Your XMP is running at 1,3V?
This is way too little Voltage for 4 Dimms. Try 1.35 or 1.4V on the Dimms and The IMC Voltage to 1.1-1.15V, 1.2V Max
Is it ok if my RAM trains for like 15-20 sec before booting with no problems every time I power on?
Yes, I have am5 mobo and it took like 40 seconds just for post and ram traning before it starts to boot into windows
Doing this made my PC continuously reboot over and over with the error 5D before each reboot. What the hell..?
I'm waiting for someone like you to do some speed tests for code development. Everyone does gaming and creating. I want the most killer system I can afford to compile c# in visual studio community for windows development. So much so, I don't even want to add discrete graphics because I spent all my money on CPU, motherboard, and ram.
I wish I had know this before. However I bought DDR 4 ram and I don't think they had high capacity sticks at that time.
Side note, can one put DDR 4 ram in a newer machine? Would it run the ram faster without compromising the stability?
Just checked Intel ark for my I5-13400F and it says up to 4800MT/s for DDR5 but in windows and BIOS it says is at XMP on 5200Mhz which is the promoted speed on the Ram kit, also wonder if worth to increase that XMP to 5800Mhz in this XPG Lancer 32G (2 sticks)
What are those extension cables? Going for a similar aesthetic
I've been trying to find the t create ram, but anywhere that ships to where I live has prices through the roof :(
if I want 128gb ram for cpu i9 14900, what is the best solution for me?
I have a 3600mhz but runs at 2600 have 2 rams??/